The Weirdest Combo deck you've ever seen... | Deck Driver MTG

[@deckdriverMTG]

Omg, a not white background thumbnail! Do you guys like that? Or do y'all enjoy the simpler thumbnails? Let me know!

[@Moxyze]

I think the white background in the thumbnails is part of the channel identity and personally I feel like it brings personality to the thumbnails. It's not bad but not a fan :)

[@Sleeper_6875]

pretty good! Definitely looks better, but the white is great too, either is very clear I think

[@Kyouto_c]

I like the white more, gives me more vibes of a PowerPoint which i enjoy a lot

[@chrishiggins2651]

I highly recommend running Riftsweeper to protect yourself from graveyard hate (source: Muldrotha is my favorite deck of all time)

[@Thermascorch]

Endurance can also help you not lose, sure it spins your entire grave but at least you survive a tormods crypt

[@krevin543]

How does riftsweeper help exactly? I read the card it seems to only save 1 exiled card?

[@chrishiggins2651]

@@krevin543 it brings back a wincon

[@deathsmbrace]

Perpetual Timepiece is nice as well since it's an artifact that helps your gameplan, but you can pay 2 and exile it in response to save any number of cards from graveyard hate.

[@Thr4kus]

Glad to see another deck tech for one of my favorite commanders in the modern era

[@deckdriverMTG]

She’s really awesome to play!

[@dustinsanity85]

I personally go back and forth with my self mill strategies between a Dimir list, a Golgari list, and a Simic list, never actually combining them to make one super mill list with all the perks available, which is kind of uncharacteristic of me since I do have a foil borderless Muldrotha in my binder. My commanders for those are The Ancient One; Izoni, Center of the Web, and I took Grolnok apart to build a Food Chain Borborygmos and Fblthp list, which works pretty swimmingly. Only thing is, I only have this Muldrotha because a friend said I could have it IF I built it, and I haven't built it. It's been months. Maybe a year now since he gave it to me. That being said, I have always looked at Out of the Tombs as a combo piece, but never looked at it as the main wincon. Greater Good as the crux is GENIUS. Like, my gast is completely flabbered that I didn't even think of that. I was thinking of like a Grim Haruspex + Sac outlet + Marionette Apprentice type deal, but that's less cards with the same result for sure. I think this video and all its explanations have given me the push. That's a windmill slam on the Thumbs Up. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk!

[@deckdriverMTG]

I built the deck after getting the art of muldrotha used in this video! It’s such a beautiful art, and self mill has also been an amazing theme that I love playing! It all just kinda fell in place together. I’m glad you enjoyed the video, and thank you for the kind words!

[@eebbaa5560]

@@deckdriverMTGbuilding decks because of good art on a commander is so relatable. i’m building a cruelclaw deck right now because of the iain mccaig art on the showcase version lol

[@deckdriverMTG]

This deck has been a ton of fun to play and I hope it brings some inspiration to yall! Self-mill is a very creative strategy as you usually CAN use every single card in your deck at some point. It's quite fun!

[@eebbaa5560]

really cool deck idea. i love the idea of masochistic game mechanics (both in and out of magic) like self-mill, wheels, etc. but i haven’t really gotten into deckbuilding that much yet. watching your videos really helps me to get a better handle on what it takes to make a unique and interesting deck and i usually find myself inspired after watching. i’d love to see a more general video about how you come up with these ideas and bring them to the final product; i think that kind of video would be very interesting and useful.

[@MentallyLatent]

wow Im upset I didnt see this combo line every time I've read Out of the Tombs, very cool combo super clever.

[@deckdriverMTG]

Thank you! It's always so satisfying when I get to pull it off

[@Lazarusgraves]

My main deck since before even Jace weilder of mysteries came out has been a muldrotha laboratory maniac deck. I added some extra jank by also making it a primal surge deck.

[@BlankAuroraReal]

9:25 INCARNATION TECHNIQUE MENTIONE PEOPLE ARE SEEING IT'S AN AMAZING CARD Genuinely a star performer in my Muldrotha deck.

[@deckdriverMTG]

It really is amazing, so clutch to get back very strong pieces

[@MentallyLatent]

Also goated in my Master Transcendent deck, card is super good (and spiked in price like last month/month before)

[@BlankAuroraReal]

@@MentallyLatent It so is. When it came out I knew it would be awesome and everyone slept on it - I suspect the five mana cost turned people off of it, but it's really good value for that five mana.

[@MentallyLatent]

@@BlankAuroraReal Yeah like I saw Summon Undead in another deck the other day and it's just like an infinitely worse version of Incarnation

[@BrootalMetalBanjo]

I built my Anikthea in a very similar way. The point is to self-mill down to zero, recur Out of the Tombs and Eidolon of Blossoms, I then recur every Enchantment creature in the deck hopefully winning the game.

[@_furydance8890]

I have a muldrotha primal surge deck and it is very fun to pilot and play against! the goal of the deck is singular, and most of the big actions are telegraphed so that my opponents might react to them. I feel like a raid boss playing the deck.

[@DerronOfCairon]

Pernicious Deed

[@kennethmarkwith4678]

I'm currently tweaking mine since its the most recent deck I've built. My initial build was OK but disappointing for me since I prefer to build my decks to power level 7-9 outside of my cEDH deck. One of my recent adjustments was finding multiple lines with Displacer Kitten. Kitten combos with the commander and Lotus Petal (pretty obvious one). Another one I'm leaning more into is Kitten, eternal witness/timeless witness and dark ritual for infinite black mana into a Konrad, ballista, exsanguinate type of effect.

[@cookies23z]

huh, extremely interesting deck idea

[@MattAposPrime]

Any deck that has Deadbridge Chant in it I'm a fan. I was a fan of this card when it was 1st released and I have been thinking of a deck to put it in forever.

[@MrAmazingSauce]

Pretty sweet casual combo that is very fair, plenty of windows for your opponents to respond to reduce the chances of being salty. I may consider adding out of the tombs and a labman/Thassa’s effect into my Mothman deck, though idk how I feel about potential “dead cards” (the labman effects) in the early to mid game w/o the crazy super self mill cards like traumatize 🤔.

[@jfabre]

A friend offered me a muldrotha (with a bunch of cards, that it is almost a precon) However I barely play it because i think usual strategy is Soooo boring with Her. I LOVE what you are doing, I will certainly revive this commander out of the tomb (drawer)

[@noobtuber10]

The opposite of self-mill is force draw, not sure if youve played heliod, radiant dawn force draw but its absolutly insane, the secret to a budget high powered deck is running all the cheap mana rocks cmc 3 and below, and x draw, and wheel, add a couple one sided stax pieces that make spells cost more to fight through free interaction and boom instant high power meme deck

[@deckdriverMTG]

I’ve definitely thought about build a heliod deck in the past, he seems like an interesting build around!

[@gabzsy4924]

Okay I thought you were going to address the big elephant in the room but you didn't...one graveyard hate or any piece of interaction against Muldrotha and you're 8 turns plan turns to mush 😅

[@chrishiggins2651]

Riftsweeper😊

[@gabzsy4924]

@@chrishiggins2651 one creature that returns one exiled card into your deck ain't gonna do much, also, not sure you know how Out of the Tombs work, but if you were to draw a card and you can't, you reanimate something, and if you also can't, you lose the game. They just need to wait for the right time and exile your graveyard when you have no library 😔

[@christianjohnson8887]

You're not always guna win every game and it's a casual deck 😅

[@gabzsy4924]

@@christianjohnson8887 that's a given, even with really high power decks, but it seems this whole strategy in particular has two massive flaws and weaknesses that are so easily exploited, even as a casual deck. The only way I see this deck functioning is against a group with no interaction at all, and that's not a good thing because as soon as you want to play with anyone else reality is gonna bite you in the arse 😅

[@christianjohnson8887]

@gabzsy4924 most interaction that people play tho, 80% makes it go to graveyard not exile so it doesn't effect this deck that much really

[@krevin543]

Have you thought about life from the loam or any of the dredge cards?

[@steven.d6492]

May have missed this but how do you not lose if someone instant speed removes out of the tombs on your untap step when you have 0 cards in library?

[@CalamitousCactus]

thoughts on rad counter stuff for you?

[@PumpkinPieAlamode]

I really like this take on Muldrotha! I’m curious why not include thassa’s oracle?

[@deckdriverMTG]

I think that card didn’t even cross my mind because it’s only really played in CEDH. But a thassa would be pretty great in a deck like this!

[@Thermascorch]

Thassa’s, lab man, and jace would all be great but probably would make it too easy to win

[@Bee-wk7hw]

Love this

[@deckdriverMTG]

Thank you!

[@TLWHDX]

Out of the tombs goes infinite with magosi, the wateveil, and nesting grounds

[@deckdriverMTG]

That’s a very awesome combo!! Might add it into this deck if I want to turn it into a powerhouse!

[@zackkelley2940]

@@deckdriverMTG I run that combo in Archelos, everything coming in untapped is huge. If it works... great. If not.... it's just two lands and an enchantment.

[@Demoncoregobrrr]

Could somebody explain the Out of the tombs and greater good combo to me? Is it just your commander being out that is allowing it to cycle, or is something else i may be missing?

[@jump3217]

When you sac a creature with greater good, out of the tombs sees you draw a card and instead reanimates a creature. If you have two creatures (one in play and one in graveyard) you sac creature A, reanimate creature B, then sac creature B, and reanimate creature A. You could loop this indefinitely.

[@deckdriverMTG]

So when out of the tombs is on the battle field, anytime you would draw a card you instead put a creature card from the graveyard onto the battlefield. Greater good draws you cards, you can’t draw cards because 0 cards in library, so instead you would replace the draw with a creature onto the battlefield! So you can just do this over and over and over again!

[@kowalskifrog]

@@deckdriverMTG I feel like I'm losing my mind trying to figure this out but I can't find another source on it. What's the specific order of triggers that happens? If I sac a 4 power creature to greater good with an empty library and out of the tombs out, I would draw 4 and discard 3. To resolve the trigger, I draw 0 ant put 4 out of the tombs triggers on the stack and discard 3. So I have 4 triggers on the stack to return a creature to the battlefield and if I can't, lose the game. I don't have to declare targets and the creature I sacced can be returned too. On the first trigger resolution, I can resolve it, returning the 4 power creature and sac it back, to put 4 more out of the tombs triggers (now 7) on the stack and discard 3. If I have another sac outlet, I can guarantee having something in the gy to return so I don't lose the game or I can loop a creature with an etb/effect that kills the board. Is that correct? My wording could be a bit wonky.

[@aishiw7434]

Wow that's a great look at Muldrotha! Also, is there a reason why you didn't include both Mesmeric Orb and Basalt Monolith? They seem to fit in very naturally in the decklist!

[@micahhonig1575]

I like the idea of the list - but have to ask. Why would I ever go through the trouble of playing the very fun and interesting out of the tombs + greater good combo when I could just cast Jace and win? In my mind, the inclusion of lab main and jace turns this into just another "cast lab main, draw card, win" deck which I've lost to so many times. If you and the people you play with are cool with it, obviously it's not a problem. If I played this list, though, I think I'd try to find some other interesting ways to win with those slots in the case that the greater good combo is unavailable. Maybe Ormos, Archive Keeper :D

[@deckdriverMTG]

Most of the reason I have Jace and Lab man is for redundancy. They are different permanent types so that helps with Muldrotha. The deck wants to race to 0 cards, so having multiple pay offs for that win con can help in case something ever gets exiled away! Since most people understand what my win con is, most don’t mind the lab win type win cons. I think Ormos could still be a great include!

[@zackkelley2940]

@@deckdriverMTG Ormos is a great option. If you're library is empty she gets huge (replaces draw with giving her 5 1/1 counters if your library is empty). If you're library ISN'T empty she also has an excellent discard/draw ability to get you there.

[@ryant8162]

why not thassa's oracle?

[@JuKo-be5nx]

it is much better to play just hermit druid and win the game with thassas oracle my guy but i like the casual approach

[@saleen12]

Didn't you say at some point that no one has had a bad experience playing against this deck? You have multiple infinite fog locks, no one has gotten upset by a spore frog or constant mists loop? Seems crazy

[@Snipfragueur]

The depressing reality of Self-Mill deck is the realization that you could just play Demonic Consultation+Thassa Oracle or some kind of Hermit Druid build and not bother milling your library a few cards at the time.

[@johnnyborbon5085]

God forbid people play at different power levels

[@Snipfragueur]

@@johnnyborbon5085 God is dead so you are free to play whatever you want.

[@moothechicken8904]

Idk how much those combos cost $$ but this seems for fun than just playing two cards when ppl are tapped out

[@nexmeles8023]

Tell me you have no imagination without telling me you have no imagination

[@panikfrnzy]

If you want to fully optimize, sure. I myself don’t want to spend a lot of money to put together such an uninteresting combo.

[@elijahbracey6959]

Where’s the dredge lol

[@deckdriverMTG]

There’s so much efficient self mill in the deck you really don’t need it!

[@chrisv6435]

if youre playing a casual game vs babies who iust want to swing big bodies and cry about any other wincon why play a slow self mill? youll get annihilated, not to mention you’re vulnerable to graveyard hate.

[@chrisv6435]

why would you play this deck? theres so many better and faster ways to mill/draw your whole deck instantly, why build a bad way of doing it? it doesn’t make sense just to make a lower power or less threatening combo deck to play a bad deck just play some other mechanic

[@khathecleric]

Problem: muldrotha herself is looked down upon as a commander in casual. Like don't drive your excuses down my throat even the lowest power Aesi/Korvold/Yuriko/Muldrotha isn't casual.

[@LandonHardy]

Every Moldrotha deck is casual. Moldrotha is not cedh viable.