The Wiggle That Killed Tarkov | Asmongold Reacts

[@g0atmoth]

Asmon, thanks so much for weighing in and giving this some more attention. If you ever want a duo partner when you check out the game, I'll be there in a heart beat.

[@ImpuscaVana]

Don't mind me, just leaving this here so i get notifications of any replies.

[@An4lAvenger]

​@@ImpuscaVanalet's see how much it blows up

[@ImpuscaVana]

@@An4lAvenger mhm.

[@Leftybusiness]

Been waiting for him to react to this! Glad he did! Keep up the good work

[@abderrahmenblidi674]

[@talkingmudcrab718]

The worst thing about this, especially for a game like Tarkov is these cheaters get to loot your hard earned gear when you die. Makes it 100% unplayable. If it was just getting killed and you can just say "Oh well..." and find a new lobby it would be one thing, but there are real staggering consequences for death in this game. Screw that.

[@ProdBugs]

@@TheEtherea yes there is RMT because of the in game economy + player ran flea market. that’s where a lot of the cheating comes from

[@fluffydoge1712]

Stop blaming cheater. You just have skill issue

[@Jabarri74]

@@fluffydoge1712 Piss off troll did you even watch it. There is an RMT advantage for botting

[@fluffydoge1712]

@@Fat_Rucker found the noob

[@DarthZ01]

cheaters are the biggest reason i will never play pvp games with death consequences.

[@yournamethere123]

For those who have not played Tarkov, the reason the wiggle is so jarring is because the community started wiggling to team up with other players before VOIP was introduced, and now it is being perverted by the hacking community. It is just sickening that the cheaters are teaming up to ruin everyone's gaming experience.

[@eric4369]

Shooters are dead. Cheaters made sure of it.

[@hallgrimurkhallgrimsson1200]

Wiggling did not start with Tarkov though. Wiggling has been the standard of "I'm friendly" since DayZ mod.

[@BoleDaPole]

Hax have always been in shooters, even back in the day of csgo 1.6 and quake

[@hallgrimurkhallgrimsson1200]

@@hshc2630 Yes

[@ForgedinPrint]

@@BoleDaPole Yeah but if the devs are good at their job, cheating and hacking is reduced. Never gone, but a much smaller portion of the larger community. Games like tarkov, with the endless cheating, now it's entirely ruined.

[@resresres1]

This reminds me of Team Fortress Classic 20 years ago. Someone created a hack and released it. What people who used it didn't realize was that the hack also logged the users name, steamid and the times they used it. Months after he had released his hack, he released the logs of everyone who used it. This obviously caused quite the ruckus within the TFC community. A number of high level players were caught using it during matches.

[@Bugholeexcalibur]

Isn't that entrapment? :))

[@AntiBellum]

That’s so dope actually, though I feel for the victims who might have quit the game over it.

[@chasmurphy1227]

@@Bugholeexcalibur it is, though I am pretty sure the legal term is only when it is done by an agent of the State

[@SudoYETI]

@@chasmurphy1227 It's not entrapment. Entrapment is either tricking someone into committing a crime ("Throw this trash out the window or I'll write you ticket. HA tha's actually littering, here's your ticket") or forcing someone against their will to commit a crime ("You either throw this trash out the window or I'll break your knees").

[@chasmurphy1227]

​@@SudoYETI I agree that this isn't the legal definition of entrapment, for my reason and yours. It also has a much more loose common definition; anything from "the state of being in a trap" to "the act of putting someone into a trap". The common definition doesn't imply that the entrapment is bad, so there's no real point in linking something to it (I was just acknowledging it)

[@xerodeus2337]

just started the video, but YEARS ago, I had a friend who played WarZ. And he was CERTAIN that everyone was cheating. So he ended up downloading cheats just to see, and it was earth shattering that as a cheater, you could easily tell who else was cheating. And there was almost this "code" that was developed - that if, for example, two WarZ cheaters saw each other through a mountain, they could tell they were looking at each other, do a little flick of the mouse, and then move in opposite directions... I couldn't play the game anymore after seeing this... because it was MULTIPLE people in EVERY server/session. Edit: BAHAHAHA they do the same thing here with the Wiggle! OMG... what a trip back memory lane

[@wrythe777]

lool watch anarchy hds vids. its the same deal except hes a dayz admin. i dont play dayz and never have but those vids are crazy funny

[@PumpkinHoard]

@@alexanderrahl7034 Lol, that game was trash but I enjoyed it for a while before I got into Rust. But yeah, even without cheats to identify cheaters it was hard to NOT notice sometimes that you got killed by a cheater. I still remember someone taking me out with a single shot from a sniper rifle, when I was in a concrete walled room with no windows several stories up. I could hear it wasn't close lol. I had line of sight on the only door, and no-one came to check my corpse. I don't know what hacks they had on. Esp and aimbot for sure, but how the hell did the bullet get through concrete? Was there a cheat to let your bullets pass through walls, or were the devs so utterly crap that they didn't even program bullet collisions on some buildings?

[@ComplexConcept]

I had the same experience, before quitting WarZ it was the only game I ever tried cheats in just to see, and it was mind blowing. You could instantly tell more than half the server was cheating, really eye opening experience.

[@PumpkinHoard]

@@alexanderrahl7034 Perhaps, but there's a fairly short shelf life on most FPS games. They're big for a year or two before another game takes their spot.

[@eggandcress69]

Hey I played WarZ too and literally everyone cheated the only difference was some people had paid cheats and others had free cheats

[@aaronalbertson8670]

Omg I just realized why so many dudes were skeptical of him even though they knew he was hacking. He wasn't killing anyone and therefore his K:D was terrible... They must be thinking wtf is going on if a hacker has that type of KD.

[@jonathanoriley8260]

K/D in EFT isn't only calculated by PMC (PVP) kills. EFT also takes into account Scav (AI/PVE) kills, so a player can have a 5.0 K/D on their profile, but in reality it would be more like 1.0 to 2.0 if it only took into account PMC kills. So, Goat's visible K/D was probably normal.

[@carlitosskater89]

Cheater, not a hacker. Huge difference.

[@pulsaran]

@@carlitosskater89 hehe i call them script kiddies ;-)

[@Doot-Doot]

thats insane how far this video is reaching. i never expected asmon to react to tarkov content.

[@21joebloe]

BSG devs must be shitting themselves right now, hoooly

[@gaskill9224]

seems like g0at pushed some real buttons there.

[@ShotClanTxter]

feel like hes late to the party

[@alexs4106]

@@21joebloe lol everything that was in that video was known to any and all devs/players/casual players. If you think BSG gives a flying fuck when this information has changed nothing youre very naïve to the gaming world

[@wrythe777]

@@alexs4106 they dont care about that. they care about it getting exposure. this kind of video blowing up can KILL a game. ad not just kill a game i mean KILL a game.

[@abonynge]

The craziest part of this is, many use Radar but not ESP because ESP is more detectable. So people couldn't see him wiggle, but knew where he was. Radar is by far the most used cheat in this game, because it is functionally impossible to be detected.

[@amerwhiteang]

Same in every game since 20 years

[@abonynge]

@@amerwhiteang Yes, but if its more than 60% of raids have confirmed ESP but less than half of the radar users have ESP, how many people have radar?

[@googlewolly]

Just for your information, the comma after the first "is" is incorrect/unnecessary.

[@baronvonshekel7323]

Don't you still need to circumvent BattlEye for radar to work? If BE ever gets their employee situation under control (the reason its quality suffered from ~2014-2017 onwards),everyone tampering with BE will get caught

[@abonynge]

@@baronvonshekel7323 As far as I understand you are using hardware to read data from RAM that does not interact with your game client in any way. Valorant style highly invasive anticheat should be the only way to detect it.

[@samisuhonen9815]

There are reasons that make Tarkov cheating way worse than cheating in some other games. 1. In Tarkov, dying and living matters more. You acquire cool loot. Guns and attachments that you find as loot and can't yet buy. Ammo you painfully collected for that one gun. And when you die it stings. But it hurts even more when you die in a way that is out of your control. Like just being popped in the forest and wondering if that was a cheater or just some regular camper. In other FPS like CoD and BattleField for example, your death just means you respawn and it affects you very little. And you can leave a cheater lobby with minimal consequences. 2. In Tarkov, players don't start out even with a map, a minimap, a compass, or any helpful tools. Most of Tarkov's skill is down to map knowledge, mastering movement, detecting players based on sounds and visual detection. Just a simple wallhack helps you overcome 99% of Tarkov's challenge. It's a game where one headshot from any gun will send you back to your base naked. A game where the person to spot someone first has a HUGE advantage. In games like battlefield or CoD, a wallhacker has an advantage for sure. But most weapons have a relatively slow TTK (time to kill), which means if your recoil control and aim are bad, you still get clapped by a better player. In games like overwatch and R6S, operators and heroes have gadgets that give the entire team wallhacks anyway. In Overwatch, aim is not even that important for most heroes, as there are shields and other mechanics that can prevent you from dying even if someone has an aimbot. And because in Tarkov you have no way of confirming cheaters, watching a replay, etc. And because of point 1 and 2 combined.. you have this sense of vulnerability. But it creates usually a positive kind of stress, an immersive excitement. But when you know that almost every lobby will have a cheater in them, instead of wondering "what if someone is watching over this area", I am wondering "what if I'm walking towards a cheater". And that ruins the immersion part, and just makes it frustrating. Cheaters quite literally just ruin the entire game when they become this numerous. Any time you go into a raid you're not thinking about intended game mechanics, your risk calculation includes being killed by a hacker that you just might run into.

[@ILOVERESISTANCE]

You couldn't have said it in a better way. Also streamers such as Lvndmark defending the cheaters is disgusting. Dude even blocked me from his stream yesterday just because I was talking about the topic.

[@Equal23_]

@@ILOVERESISTANCE lvndmark doesn't defend cheaters, but hes sick of it. people call him cheater all the time. must be annoying.

[@ILOVERESISTANCE]

@@Equal23_ he does. Just go watch his reaction about ''The Wiggle That Killed Tarkov''. He even deleted it from his twitch.

[@thekamotodragon]

@@Equal23_ he's not really sick of it imo, i think it's more of he himself is actually cheating and doesn't want to be exposed, his reaction to this video said it all. He was nervous, skipping around the whole time, making up weak criticism for the video and defending the cheaters by saying that the evidence wasn't good enough, only someone who is seeing his own cheats in the video would be that stressed over it lol.

[@ILOVERESISTANCE]

@@thekamotodragon it could be that, or it could be that he's afraid Tarkov will die as players will not longer want to play it and thus he'll lose viewers

[@freighttrain7143]

4:48 The moment As had the same reaction as the tons of players whose jaw dropped when watching the video. This wasn't about showing us how hacks work(plenty of videos of that) this was about making it easy to evaluate ALL OTHER PLAYERS ON THE MAP FOR PROVABLE HACKING. Game-changing.

[@RoughNek72]

Hail Hydra!!

[@CaptainSnuggleButt]

There have been similar videos made maybe 2 years ago where people cheated to check for other cheaters, also other methods were used. Even back then it was apparent that there was at least 1 cheater in a match on average. I personally quit the game a long time ago, mainly because of cheaters.

[@freighttrain7143]

@@CaptainSnuggleButt Yeah someone reminded me of The Great Hack of Team Fortress Classic where the guy who wrote a popular hack for it also wrote code that recorded and reported Every Single User Who Used It, about a year after it had gathered lots of users. Including so many that noone ever suspected of cheating, at all. As said many times before, the truth of good hacks nowadays, is that any clever user of them can easily mask they are using it by not doing painfully obvious things. And noone will even suspect that user.

[@DemocracyOfficer2485]

@@CaptainSnuggleButtmy buddy I played tarkov with told me he ran cheats to avoid other cheaters. I didn’t believe him until he gave me a free key to his cheats and I used them as well to watch half the raid run directly at us trying to shoot us before the even had a line of site. I uninstalled the game and haven’t touched it since

[@Gerwulf97]

This video is very validating for me. I play a lot of realism shooters, and do pretty well. When I stepped into tarkov, nothing seem to work anymore, no matter how careful and purposeful my actions were, I'd often lose. My anxiety playing it was heightened compared to other games. I default to thinking that oh they just saw me, they had a good angle, etc, etc. in general. Only a handful of times was it blatant enough for me to confidently call cheating. Seeing this video, seeing how the cheaters act and work, shows me those other times were cheaters too, probably plenty of deaths I think were completely legit. It also makes me glad I quit tarkov after a month, deciding it wasn't worth it. Huge thanks for goat making this video. Realistically if he only investigated lets say a third of the people in each raid, then that would mean there are 2-4+ cheaters 60% of the time. That'd mean every single raid has at least one cheater. There is no Tarkov, it doesn't exist, only a cheater haven masquerading as a game.

[@alpsalish]

Yeah, fuck tarkov.

[@gloworms]

Same man

[@bluegizmo1983]

He asked a question during the interview: "every multiplayer game will have some level of cheating, it's impossible to completely remove, so what level of cheating is acceptable?". I say, an acceptable level of cheating is a level where when somebody says "I died to a cheater", everyone who plays that game has a default reaction of "no, you probably just got handled by a better player!". Tarkov doesn't have that default reaction, it's more like "yeah, you probably did die by a cheater, it's not surprising at this point".

[@saloscontent]

other games would have the same if people talked about it but tarkov is popular now and this topic is also specially around tarkov

[@ChuckisNorrish]

@@saloscontent no, other games have better anti-cheats, tarkovs biggest issue is the shit anti-cheat and the lack of help from BSG. plenty of other games have completely curbed cheaters, even much more popular games.

[@VOX_Games]

My very first game a guy just beelined right to me inside a building, I heard him running from far away so I just stopped and listened, he knew exactly where I was and threw a grenade in my room. I uninstalled.

[@goatmanilla]

Somebody give that guy a medal. Incredible investigative skills.

[@Activist88]

Funny thing is all the main streamers got mad at him and cried lmao, now they all wanna be buddy buddy (not talking about Asmongold btw)

[@CRXWNWRXITH]

with a little know how it isn't that difficult. It's more impressive to bring it to light, I think.

[@josephbrady711]

@@Activist88 unrelated but I think shroud and TGLTN are cheaters and they're popular streamers. When ever streamers get mad at exposure videos like this, at tells only one tale

[@Activist88]

@@josephbrady711 yeah it was Sus for sure. i didnt see shroud get all cry baby like the main tarkov streamers did. its either they are hacking but i think the latter is when i saw this video about tarkov cheating i quit... those random times i thought a death was sus and people were telling me to just "get good" when it was 90% hackers the video told me all i needed to know and my friends and i all decided to quit. so it hurts their $$ because the game will die and people wont watch them anymore but yes. it was sus

[@almightytwee1188]

I did this when interchange came out but instead of making a video about it I just quit the game, I just got back into it this wipe and it’s just as obvious

[@Adam-lt4fx]

This made me think, it would be interesting if developers coded in a reporting script into their games, if the game kept track of your statistics of how often you aim towards opponents without direct line of sight, and then after some minimal period of time (say 20 games to ensure reliability) if you are 2 standard deviations away from average then your console automatically reports you.

[@tomsettle2631]

And then the cheat developer just codes in something to block that?

[@MorganPeacock-go8qg]

Doesn't matter until developers get serious and start IP banning.

[@blinkyy1088]

@@tomsettle2631 They are developers not magicians

[@tomsettle2631]

@@blinkyy1088 you could literally just block the packets that send that info and spoof the packet with fake info are you a simpleton?

[@blinkyy1088]

@@tomsettle2631 Yeah that wouldn't be easy or cheap at all unless we are talking about a game like Tarkov with practically zero security. Why are you calling me a simpleton bro? I didn't insult your intelligence, it makes you seem weirdly aggressive over nothing

[@dylanherron3963]

BIG TIP: If you join a match, hit the console button, and if several errors are reported in the level, an invisible player is in the map.

[@elitethat6617]

"The wiggle" is not some hacker exclusive thing, its a staple of tarkov. If someone wiggles and you wiggle back that means were not gonna have a problem/do you wanna team up. Hes using "the wiggle" through walls because only hackers would be able to see him doing it.

[@acidbaby3231]

100%, pre VoIP it was the only way to communicate.

[@arquimine9776]

no cheat sherlock

[@Jaybird9x]

That’s how I communicate with PMCS on my scav runs cuz I CBA to activate my mic for it

[@chipskylark5500]

@@Jaybird9x what's the difference between pmc and scav

[@dfiregames9692]

@@chipskylark5500 Scavs are Ai. You can play as a Scav also called a player scav where the ai wont shoot you unless you attack them.

[@Murasame13]

I used to play tarkov a lot. I have died countless times to a random headshot from what I always figured were just campers. I realize I was probably being naive and was getting killed by cheaters more often than I had realized. I only encountered 2 very blatant cheaters, otherwise most of my deaths I assumed were not cheats despite having no way of knowing. I eventually quit because it was just too much to handle.

[@bernhardlabus8511]

Its generally hard to notice cheaters in tarkov thanks to NVG campers and the insanely bad desync. Thats the only way to be sure here so far :D

[@MatheusVenti]

Same bro! I quitted thinking that I was too bad for this game, even being pretty decent on every other fps. That's sad!

[@aybaws]

Try SPTarkov, a single player tarkov mod. Made me really enjoy Tarkov again. PMCs and the flea market are simulated and you can tweak everything to your liking.

[@nussysnake9933]

I rage quit and uninstalled the game a couple years ago (there were several sus matches the previous 2 days which led up to it). The final match I had equipped gear given to us by the devs (can't remember if it was some holiday gear or from paying for the upgraded tier of the game) and I went in fully decked out from head to toe with heavy armor, p90, and several other items (I was ready to rock). The match was in the evening when the sun was setting, and it was raining heavily so you couldn't see very far at all. As I'm sneaking around a hilly mountainside (keep in mind visibility was VERY poor) BANG I got one-shot in the neck below my helmet with a rifle round (my neck was the only weak point I had) and there was noone I could even see around me. I was so fricken pissed off I uninstalled the trash game.

[@fastpoose]

@@nussysnake9933 Same here, finally quit when every time I loaded in with top tier gear I got smashed.... Yet most games when I went in with trash I got left alone, it became very obvious, so I uninstalled 18 months ago...sad

[@Infinite_Ouroboros]

Holy. Just realised why I was spared when I played my first match. Was testing out the controls and started to do the wiggle, a random player shows up a few seconds later out of cover and wiggles to me before turning to the oposite direction and walking away.

[@mikegarcia8815]

Bro same! Wth

[@3dCraddock]

The wiggle between hackers doesnt entirely have to be about the hackers teaming up, but more so similar to in nature: very few top of the food-chain predators have other similar predators as their hunt. The risk is too high, and mutually they understand both parties are equally dangerous. The advantage is lost, so it's best to not engage.

[@ShaggyRogers1]

Yeah, it isn't a "let's team up" but more of "we both know that we're cheating and will just be a race to blow the other one away, we don't engage each other and we both walk away with loot". If they felt confident in their abilities, they wouldn't be relying on cheats like they are.

[@BoleDaPole]

Tarkov is so much more fun with hax though and the community is super tight nit.

[@DutchThriceman]

@@BoleDaPole You're the reason I only play singleplayer games xD (I'd play online only if either EVERYONE has hacks or NOBODY has hacks, if only a few people hack it's just scummy.)

[@user-he1ff9fs9n]

apparently apex predators are bad at Tarkov and buy other people's scripts lmaooooo nature is truly incredible.

[@khorneflakes2175]

It doesn't go that deep man, they cheat because they want an unfair advantage, against another cheater they don't have any advantage, leave me alone and i'll leave you alone so we can both go back to cheating.

[@bundleofhumble3119]

The fact that cheaters are not worried in this game and even give signs to eachother speaks volumes how bad it actually is and the ammount of cheaters that meet eachother every day. Glad i never played this game.

[@FragbiteOeXistenz]

​@@silvercat18 Most streamers? EFTs biggest streamer Lvndmark and Rengawr litterly protected cheaters for 30mins straight when they did a reaction video.... This is so bad...

[@ThatVenomousCat]

@@silvercat18 Its the same situation as Vrchat and the big 'anti-cheat' update it came out with. By the time they finally got around to doing something about cheaters plagueing the game, the game already had a massive cheating community that had become a core part of the community. So the update sparked a massive meltdown of people getting mad and quitting because they couldn't cheat anymore. ( Though ofcourse it only took a few months for cheating to return once the cheat developers decided to rerelease their clientt )

[@pitdog75]

Russian game dude.

[@Conrad75]

@@ThatVenomousCat I feel like cheating in vrchat is the same as cheating in gta online. It’s mostly a social game right? I’m genuinely curious how cheating negatively affects vrchat?

[@ThatVenomousCat]

@@Conrad75 In vrchat the negative impact comes from the fact some cheats allow people to target other players maliciously, like for example crashing their game on command. Or forcefully cloning their avatar whether they want it or not. They also allow cheaters to take control of the player made games, stuff like forcefully ending a game or killing everyone at once or locking all the doors or just giving themself the inability to die.

[@SkitsoXXS]

This video is so accurate. Last wipe we broke bad and a friend bought cheats. We were amazed to see how many cheaters there were in the game. Every raid lobby at least 2 of them. If you don't get killed by a cheater it means they're just looting the map dry while avoiding you. We quit. It's unbelievable how infested this game is and I can't even imagine how bad it must be this wipe because of the backlash from the community.

[@festeezy]

every online multiplayer game

[@SkitsoXXS]

@@festeezy yes but few only ever so punishing to lose progress to cheaters in.

[@ShaggyRogers1]

@@festeezy Other multiplayer games don't let you lose days of progress from one encounter with a cheater. In Tarkov, you could be running scav raids for days building up a boss PMC loadout just to die 30 seconds after loading in from a single shot halfway across the map.

[@wigglesbee]

I quit last month me and my friends havent been on since

[@kiprastomkevicius5345]

​@@festeezy😂😂

[@reshie]

Oh man I had no idea the wiggle is a thing, let alone that there was actually a sense of "community" among cheaters.

[@PSYMEDIC]

Actually it was originally not. I think the first time it appeared was in ArmA 2 DayZ mod. It was a gesture to show to other player that you are not hostile.

[@snaker9er]

The biggest revelation about this video to me is how naive the community actually is

[@hollywoodmatt04]

@@PSYMEDIC Used to use it to determine if they were in your party because there weren't markers for friendlies.

[@XKavar1]

@@PSYMEDIC yep

[@GsQDoom]

as the hip-hop song 'Rich Flex' goes "Internet clones, got 'em kissin' through the phone. Pussies clickin' up so they don't feel alone."

[@J_A_Niss]

Cheater's don't kill cheaters, it's like they're saying "Hail Hydra" _This man is fucking brilliant_

[@idn]

Imagine how much anxiety it would cause some cheaters if you constantly haunted them like this? Devs should hire a few people to fulfill that role.

[@ProstheticWheelchair]

The devs dont want to drive away the cheaters, just like in rainbow six siege the devs are probably earning money off of the people who create the cheats in order for the publisher of the game not to sue the cheat creators who make money off of selling cheats

[@MrSmexyPain]

Devs ban cheaters and non-cheaters alike to drive up sales. Games like tarkov don't have recurring revenue. It's just 1 purchase then done. So they need constant purchases generating by banning guilty and innocent users, alike.

[@LispyJesus]

Old video I know, but if people still play this here’s an idea, create a bounty hunters club. People like this guy with cheats, teaming up just to kill cheaters and avoid non cheaters as much as possible. Virtual vigilante justice would make a good KZbin channel

[@Ole_CornPop]

They just need Admins, simple as that. Look up AnarchyHD, he admins on DayZ servers and does a good job banning cheaters. Same with Camomo and Rust.

[@Staring4827]

Or they should just ban the cheaters lol

[@tasidar3]

I would pay to watch Asmon play Tarkov and just watch him rage.

[@Lupus_666]

Underrated comment!

[@glassboxes]

he would just 5 man factory and yell if anyone opened the safe

[@mob9900]

@@glassboxes LMAOOO

[@rocksgt3104]

In arma the common way to signal friendly is also the wiggle. Especially useful in antistasi where you may have multiple squads with no uniform in the same area and no clear plan to organize around.

[@P.W.N.ed_9000]

Cheaters don’t attack cheaters because they’re aware their unfair advantage is lost. In Laymans terms: Cheaters don’t like fair fights.😂😂😂😂

[@Novuhz]

The problem isn't blatant cheaters, the problem is closet cheaters. It's sad that FPS online games are ruined because of cheaters.

[@slof69]

uwu

[@GiodyneSTG]

no wonder some fps games have a rootkit on pc

[@fluffydoge1712]

The problem is that skill issue noobs like you who keeps crying cheater when someone's better. Gitgut or go play your baby single player game.

[@arionell]

@@Eunos_FD3S Sad being.

[@barrywhite1770]

This is why I played StarCraft instead of counterstrike back in the day

[@ralesidtparrot9334]

This is why I stopped playing pvp shooters solo, not fun. I'm either playing with friends or enjoying an actual fair game. I used to wonder why shooters felt so chaotic to play, sometimes it felt good to play and other times I felt like an npc in a pc shootout. Figured it out after a while.

[@durackhie1089]

At least you still play online shooters .After that video im quit from any online pvp games at all and i'm enjoy only solo or pve games

[@michaelm6048]

I wonder how much his "no killing PMCs" rule hurt him in this investigation. Since every other cheater can see his KD ratio, I suspect a lot of wigglers were responding to his lack of a good KD ratio combined with his wiggling. A cheater who doesn't display gameplay advantage metrics is likely a red flag to those players who put more than a few seconds of thought into those variables. If he had a very high KD ratio, I suspect some of those players would have reacted much differently.

[@mr.mandude7542]

The kdr is a little scuffed as I'm sure it counts scav kills (ai) as well I'm a relatively shitty fps player and have about 10-15 player kills this wipe , still my kdr is 10+ or something near there I don't know if the software takes the same stat or if it filters it out

[@Calslock]

KDR also counts in scavs (ai bots), so he could kill a lot of scavs to have seemingly high KDR. No one really cares about KDR, as you can be an absolute rat, kill no players, run away from everyone, and have 10+ KDA on scavs only easily. Dog tags are kind of a measure how good PvPer you are (each player drops dog tag at death), but they're only in your stash, so no one can see it, even with cheats. Fun fact - dog tags are also needed to progress in certain quests and can be bartered into valuable items.

[@NatalyaAF1]

​@@Calslock Nah there is PMC K/D, regular user just has no way of seeing it.

[@Recreancy]

Just for proper reference, the wiggle in tarkov is a general sign of peace. Its not just for cheaters. That also doesnt mean you wont get killed. You can wiggle and truce with someone then, theyll kill you later anyway if you got something they want.

[@felixmustermann790]

@@ThreeGoddesses found the bot

[@ralk7048]

Reminds me of Tom Clancy's Division 2 - the Dark Zones in there are like this. It's a free-for-all zone where drops are nicer, and gear picked up within the zone can be looted off players when they are killed (though you get to keep a subset of daily featured drops). One moment you can be farming in peace with another player, the next moment they can turn rogue on you and steal your drops because they see something good. There are also cheaters with hack services in there too. Competitive PvP seems to always have this kind of toxic element to it, but it's also thrilling for players to try it out if it's not too frustrating.

[@ralk7048]

@@ThreeGoddesses Very interesting, it seems these subcultures achieve solidarity between group members through the thrill of perverting something normal/well-intentioned.

[@ShroomzPanda]

@@ThreeGoddesses you're*

[@ShroomzPanda]

@@ThreeGoddesses It's all good, just don't let it happen again :)

[@davidjoiner]

This brings me back to battlefield 2. Last time I played that game they were knifing you from across the battlefield instantly killing you on spawn. Never seen so many players open about cheating. The cheating in the game was so bad that it became unplayable.

[@Lapps_]

Me and my mother played BF2 since 2007 up to around 2017, never encountered any cheaters at my memory Maybe because we played on the server of a group we were part of, playing on a modded server with everyone having that mod as well, everyone knowing eachother

[@roezz4758]

Actual investigative journalism. Amazing cheats have been out this long, and I don't recall seeing such a solid piece showing the extent of this problem. More of this please. Improve gaming.

[@DefianceOrDishonor]

Dude has a financial incentive to hype this stuff up, these videos always get views. He is willing to pay for and download hacks, directly contributing to the hacking community; financially. Yet he wouldn't get friends to hop into his lobbies? It's fucking mind numbing to me that so many people believe his video. It's highly edited. You can't see if he's queuing in with other people. It's not evidence whatsofuckingever. In my past 1500 raids I've run into FIVE hackers. I can log on CSGO and find spin hackers in an hour or two........... But yeah, dude has a financial incentive to hype this stuff up and stage these situations. That's really all I need to know to not trust it.

[@archemides1517]

@@DefianceOrDishonor and you dont think BSG would have called him out on that this is a PR nightmare for tarkov which could kill the game BSG has the tools to see exactly what your talking about and instead of doing anything like that they went into fullbolwn dmage controll

[@juicebox9672]

@@DefianceOrDishonor you ran into 5 obvious hackers

[@Sin3xtreme]

thank god he doesn't do a story on crack

[@josephbrady711]

​@@DefianceOrDishonor you remind me over someone who stills defends voting for Joe Biden.... get a grip mate

[@yammie1536]

Tarkov is so good of a game, one of the best games i´ve ever played and i´ve played it since 2017 and still love it. But this might actually be the beginning of the end for tarkov. I´ve stopped playing it since everyone i know quit it because of all the cheaters and it´s so sad. We had a good run tarkov RIP, you will be missed.

[@mattbrown5511]

I quit well before "goat" did his video. I picked up a graphics card and was heading to extract on Customs. I got a one tap through the wall. I only had the basic acct. No room in my secure container. And was only 50 meters from the extract. I was done.

[@durackhie1089]

Sptaki will help you mang ,it is offline tarkov with AI mods ,the ai sooo good

[@durackhie1089]

​@@mattbrown5511Sptaki will help you mang ,it is offline tarkov with AI mods ,the ai sooo good

[@drazdian]

I have played this game since 2016, for a long time this was well known but everyone was basically in denial, it almost hurts to see this video but im glad its been brought up, maybe this is the push needed for bsg to get it together

[@fives5x77]

No one was in denial about the cheater problem, this has been a long talked about problem.

[@DefianceOrDishonor]

@@fives5x77 I'm "in denial". I've seen five hackers in the past 1500 raids. The game is fucking great right now. Goat has a financial incentive to stage this shit. He's willing to pay over a hundred dollars for hacks, directly contributing to hack developers-- but people just trust him? The video is extremely edited. We have no idea if he's queuing in with friends that could easily be the people wiggling at him.

[@bakedturkeys2132]

@@DefianceOrDishonor Bullshit.

[@DefianceOrDishonor]

@@bakedturkeys2132 That's fine. Prove it. You can't.

[@fives5x77]

@@DefianceOrDishonor Thats not what I meant read the comment im replying too. Im with you, cheaters sure are a problem but I dont see them nearly as much as people make it out to be.

[@allnamestakenn]

Its good to see this video going so Viral. BSG are actually forced to actually interact with their community, that is how crazy out on the ropes they are.

[@brian8861]

bsg have always communicated pretty well with the community actually

[@ForOne814]

@@brian8861 they did communicate much more often than other devs, but rarely in an adequate manner. It takes them way too much time to fix very obvious things that require literally just changing a number in a text file.

[@bernhardlabus8511]

They have no time going after cheaters, they gotta go after harmless SP mods :D

[@brian8861]

@@ForOne814 taking time to fix something and interacting with the community are 2 different things..

[@ForOne814]

@@brian8861 yes. One isn't actually important.

[@Nate_the_Nobody]

There was this spot I used to have in the original release of the shorline expansion, it was a tree right next to the health resort, you used to be able to sprint off the roof and land dead center and you would be sitting halfway submerged in the very tip of the tree, I could sit there and kill pro Twitch streamers with that spot because it concealed you so well and literally no one knew you could be there to begin with, so those who are laser focused on sight-lines would never naturally see me if I'm being still (I have a video of the spot uploaded called "Hustle"), yet, sometimes, people would out of nowhere laser beam me with a fully automatic weapon from so far away I couldn't hear their shots. I also had an almost just as effective spot on Customs, not many people knew about the bus depot wall you could get on in the early days, there is, yet again, another tree right next to it that conceals you stupid effectively, could whipe out entire full stack squads without people finding out where I'm at, yet other times, instantly drilled in the head from nowhere. Cheating was more blatant in the early days, now people want to "play it off" like they aren't cheating, unless it's to another cheater, it's somehow evolved from something that was fucking annoying to something that is fucking sick.

[@Los714]

This is INSANE!! Never knew how many cheaters there were. Makes you wonder about cheaters in all the other games.

[@kaydnburns5935]

Most other games don’t have this bad of a cheating problem because other games aren’t absolutely unforgiving and 90% grind like tarkov is. Most games when you die it’s not a big deal so there’s not as much as incentive to cheat. Hard games with always have the most cheaters. ARMA 3 had cheaters on every single server before they implemented battle eye

[@andreschmitz8729]

@@patrickstar1164 not exactly. Tarkov has an actual market and trade system. Meaning that you, literally, could make a living out of it. That's one of a few reasons that Tarkov has been plagued w/ hackes. They are literally selling a shit ton of loot/carry and more shit in alternative market/site.

[@DaniGerman1499]

@@kaydnburns5935 na Bro, COD has an extreme amount. Even on older titles. I played WW2 recently and was blown away how may people 1 tapped my the moment I came around a corner from across the map. Among other sus I noticed. It’s bizzare, dayz has a similar problem

[@mappy-5934]

Older titles and games with hitscan usually have the worst problems, niche games usually come with default cheats that don't apply to the game itself, just general settings, and games with 0 anti cheat in the first place

[@steamfeuver]

There's a reason the singleplayer mod for Tarkov is getting really popular is all I'll say

[@wightclaudia]

Is it fully functional ? I really want to play Tarkov but I’m not dealing with this horse shit and as a longtime Stalker mod fanatic I am perfectly fine with single player

[@Firaxo]

@@wightclaudiaI tried it like a year ago and it is very very functional. No idea about now but i presume its even better

[@danielschneider1663]

Where do I get it?

[@durackhie1089]

​@@danielschneider1663 sptaki google it and you will find it ,i recommend watch some AI mods to the spt aki so you have even better experience than original spt aki

[@Texas240]

Back when it came out, I played war thunder tanks because it offered a more realistic take than things like world of tanks. I was certain a lot of people were cheating. I'd call it when I saw it. A friend I played with got frustrated at me for calling so many people cheaters. He felt I was imagining it or calling it out to mask just not being "good enough". Then, recently, it turns out that something like 20% of the entire War Thunder playerbase got caught logging in with cheats. Yeah. I was imagining it....

[@SwitchBladeEVO]

I think the longstanding issue with Tarkov has been that there's so much incentive to cheat. It's a game where winner takes all. You kill the other players on the map and all the A.I., you get the pick of what all to leave the map with. The game is completely based around knowledge and information, since you aren't given any by the game. Having knowledge of where everyone is, what they're wearing, how dangerous they probably are, if they're running with a group, etc. completely eliminates the possibility of picking bad fights because you position yourself for an easy win, assuming you yourself don't suck at the game. That's just for the people who want easy progression and to stroke their ego by sucking up all the good loot every raid. The other issue that had been plaguing the game but is more or less completely impossible now was RMT (Real Money Transactions) like paying cheaters for items or carries in raids. It is almost completely impossible to buy any valuable items from cheaters now except maybe guns/ammo/armor as you can spawn in with them, kill them for it, and extract, but they can't guarantee you will survive the raid with the gear you bought from them so I imagine less people will be willing to spend real money to take these risks. I would almost argue that most people who have been cheating to this point were probably not RMT sellers, so the ban waves eradicating those people may not reduce the problem all that much. Really sad, honestly. Tarkov is such a unique and fun experience when everything works the way it's supposed to, but knowing how bad it is like Asmon said makes you scratch your head every time you die and go "Did I get Tarkov'd, outplayed, or are they just cheating?" The amount of desync and other engine/server issues makes the problem much worse if you don't know how things like pushers advantage and peaks work as well. Really tragic for a game that has so much potential to be a standout.

[@Zynarch97]

The wiggle was too much for me 😆 Never knew cheaters had this kind of "community" that even has it's own accepted secret signs.

[@disposable3167]

its not a secret sign.... "wiggling" is a sign of a friendly player. its just that cheaters can see you do it through walls so its easy to identify if theyre cheating..

[@TheWorldWarrior]

@@disposable3167 dang I should just start wiggling everywhere so the cheaters think I’m a cheater

[@gadfli_1076]

@@TheWorldWarrior thats actually been a strategy on maps like labs where cheaters are most common for years, if something sus is happening like getting shot through walls, look towards the shots and wiggle with your melee weapon out and they will leave you alone sometimes

[@russianporcelaindoll]

In Labs, cheaters sometimes fire warning shots when the raid starts so you can run to the extract right away.

[@brian8861]

its the same on dayZ.

[@LiveTheDream24]

If you think about it it makes perfect sense that the cheaters would avoid fighting because its a level playing field then. At that point it comes down to who gets the angle, who is using aimbot and who gets the first shot off. The cheaters specifically got the cheats because they suck at the game and they NEED an advantage. Keeping in mind that K/D in Tarkov includes AI kills so its not a player K/D as far as I know. As far as I know the game does not calculate PMC K/D unless somehow the cheater software does it.

[@DragoonWarrior790]

I still remember back when I played the original MW2 and started noticing people using lag switches. Some were better at hiding it more than others, but sometimes it was so obvious. Then the cheating went insane with hacks that let you shoot AC130 rounds out of your SCAR-H. Totally killed the game for me and all my friends playing it.

[@guitarlordkryss]

MW2 is a great example. I remember the aimbotting AC130s and that's when I quit. Once about 1 out of 6 of the lobbies were filled with rage hackers I gave up. I had not bought another COD game until 2019. MW2 was the first game absolutely destroyed that I can remember by rage hackers and cheats. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if some of these devs or execs are in on the cheats and taking a cut under the table from the cheat providers to stay under the radar. Both sides can then make fistfuls of money.

[@TillerOG]

Just wanna say this video was way more fun to watch than when I watched the original lmao. Even tho I'm an EFT player with 5k hours lol. It legit made me sad to see so many cheaters when I watched the original. And it was a weird and confusing experience cause I've never had that reaction before. I love EFT and I'll probably keep on playing but seeing the game infested with cheaters just ruins the motivation to play and grind.

[@AbdullachKahir]

Try to pick some strange serves. Before they blocked it I was playing on Poland and Czech Republic servers. Suspicious deaths were almost 0 for me. Never leave server on autopick,

[@basin397]

you still play? LMAO

[@TillerOG]

@@basin397 Nah, quit not long after I posted this comment. Haven't even launched the game for the new wipe and don't plan to return for a while.

[@basin397]

@@TillerOG dang bro, you hate to see it. Give Squad a try, you might like it. A lot less cheaters there too.

[@TillerOG]

@@basin397 I’ve seen a lot of videos of squad, was always interested in the game. If I end up giving it a go I’ll post back here maybe we can squad in

[@TheGimpy117]

27:28 but you also get the reverse effect in smaller games where the extremely small number of cheaters still show up in matches. For example, If you have 3 servers with 50 people in them you'll still probably have a cheater or two in every match, and there's no escape.

[@bear532]

Had this problem for years in Rust and we still do. So many people with esp. It’s a perfect game to cheat in since winning a fight or avoiding an enemy makes a massive difference in your game’s experience. Has actually ruined my experience with the game to the point I rarely play now even though I think it’s the greatest game ever made. Pretty sad. It’s hard enough playing solo, but having to play against cheaters makes this game ridiculously difficult. The only solution for this issue can only come from the developers and it has to be constant monitoring. However, this doesn’t make financial sense so developers don’t bother. Wish we could have an anti cheat movement in the gaming community. I’d gladly go a month without playing as a “strike” against gaming companies that are not being extremely strict about no cheating. If a bunch of famous streamers did this, I’m sure it will catch on. I can’t be the only one that feels this way.

[@dallasmoorenumberone]

Yup, almost every rust server is going to have a couple teams with an ESPer making the game unplayable. If a 20 person tarkov server has a 60+% chance at a esper then a 100+ person rust server has a greater then 100% chance to have multiple.

[@dallasmoorenumberone]

@Emu Lator it 100% has more volume of cheaters if not a greater percent of them as well. Im a 10,000 hour rust player and almost every wipe i run into blatent cheaters not including the people attempting to hide it or just using it for call outs and things there is no way to prove without esp, the last 3ish years ive wondered why my game sense which has always been incredible has seemingly gone to shit. It hasnt, between the cheaters and players subconciously adjusting their playstyles due to the likelyhood of running into them its just much harder to account for random players tracking you through walls. Not to say i cant, but the playstyle needed to fight a cheater requires so much more focus and energy that its not worth it. I game to relax and enjoy myself not to wage a digitized moral war against losers.

[@VeryBadSCAV]

no way man i wasn't thinking asmongold would cover it... most critical youtube who reacts and i love,, hope you join tarkov after they fix these issues!

[@Sinaduel]

In response to 29:40 I miss that feeling, there was this guy back in the day of lan parties, he went by "theflyinggecko" he would curb stomp in a full UT match, like 50 kills, 0 deaths, and the next best player had maybe 5 kills. We watched him to do this, blindfolded, with one hand while two other people would watch and confirm he in fact was performing the task. I don't think I'll ever get to experience battling a true master of a game again, as it will likely be a cheater with hacks coded for free by an AI.

[@Lylez_]

Imagine how good this game would be without cheaters

[@lexiath]

imagine how fun multiplayer games would be without cheaters, im pretty sure there's cheaters in most if not all online pvp games, just look at dota banning a ton shit of them how many cheaters there are in league? warzone?

[@steelixian1705]

@@zointisarenazi Its not, all the try hards you think are out there are just cheaters man. I aint a try hard but I can enjoy the game when there aint cheaters around

[@revangofficial]

Tarkov is one of the hardest games I've played to determine whether or not someone is cheating. In most cases, whomever notices their opponent first will win. But in some rare occasions, people don't even try to hide it-they attempt to shoot through brick walls that cannot be penetrated by the bullets, fly around with noclip, and sometimes they drop grenades on your head and all you can do is keep on running to outrun the fuse timer. Personally, I rarely get into fights where I can say for certain that someone is cheating. But, again, there are those rare occasions where you just... know. And Battlestate does little to nothing to stop them. Who knows how they can't recognize someone's character flying around the map at mach 5 headshotting literally every PMC within the first 5 minutes. Surely that's legit, right?

[@Petrixxxxxxx]

Watch the video. He saw 0 fly Hackers in 120+ matches.

[@revangofficial]

@@Petrixxxxxxx Read the comment. I said it was on very rare occasion, and also said Tarkov is one of the hardest games to tell if someone's cheating. Out of my own 1500 hours playing the game, I've only seen 2 noclippers, one of which was just flying around, scaring people and screaming "BOO, I gotcha!"

[@Espectador666]

@@revangofficial The gotcha guy sounds fun though

[@revangofficial]

@@Espectador666 Oh, definitely. The other noclipper I encountered, long after the joker, flew above me and a friend I was duo'ing with at the time, and kept asking to "interview me" (I don't know what he meant by that lmfao). while dropping grenades on my head. I'm fairly certain he was boosting someone else because there was a third party clipping me with .366 while the cheater dropped his loads. Oh, he could go invisible, too. It was clear his intention was to have fun at my expense the entire time. So fun.

[@Tritriumchannel]

29:25 And that is precisely why i quit FPS games alltogether back in 2007. FPS games are dead to me. Before anyone asks: I used to run 5 of the most popular servers on CoD 4, and on any given year i had to manually ban around 6000 unique ID's. To make it easy: thats about 17 players banned per day. And we had around 25 admins. On any given day, you were looking at around 150-200 bans across all servers, averaging about 60.000 bans per year. All of which manually confirmed by spectating and less then 50 ever applied for appeal, of which only a handful were wrongful bans. (One of them being myself getting banned, i was just really really good) So yea, after that experience with spectating & banning, i did come to the question asmongold put out there. And i answered it by quitting FPS games alltogether as i deemed them no longer worth any of my time.

[@321GhostRider123]

Best thing is he had a interview with a guy working for a company that prevents such stuff and that guy said basicly if the dev's would want it, they could prevent cheating. So all in all Dev's just seem to not want to end the cash grab trough ban players and sell them new copy's.

[@alexarsy1015]

the wiggle is basically a necromancer build. You just summon cheaters to fight for you !

[@DutchDreadnaught]

This is the reason i stopped playing shooters like these. Devs are not on top of this anymore. Finding cheaters costs time and money which they dont want to spend. I don't mind someone being better, but when you can't trust someone just having more skill because of the rampant cheating, it just takes all the fun away. I miss playing fps's.

[@sorrowsinme]

Asmondgold, talking about Tarkov? Holy Molly, wasn't expecting this to reach him. All hail the Bald King!!

[@NexZu-]

Funny enough a friend wanted me to get into Tarkov around the start of it, He told me the premise and what to expect. I told him sounds really tough and probably guaranteed to piss me off, what happen if people cheat? Got shrugged off and ended up not playing the game or even hearing about it until this point. Just thinking in a alternate world I could of been teabagged and looted for my crap with my friend by cheaters... feels good playing kirby is all I'm saying.

[@brettsears33]

I started playing Single Player Tarkov. I now love Tarkov again.

[@wolfwithin2967]

Only tarkov I play anymore

[@BlackGold-fc7tu]

​@@wolfwithin2967 can you play coop

[@wolfwithin2967]

@BlackGold-fc7tu I'm not really sure, honestly. I always played solo on standard tarkov, so I never really checked

[@karnliberated8891]

@@BlackGold-fc7tu search for sit

[@alexantony2544]

​@@BlackGold-fc7tu yes

[@gareiis2824]

It's like watching a rebel infiltrate hydra.

[@FormerGovernmentHuman]

I decided I was done with tarkov after several wipes and more or less mastering the game. I’ve done everything it has to offer to include the tracksuit and kappa alone 3 times. I’ve spent a shit load of time pvping and have a very good sense of this game and a good sense of when things seem off. I always had one burning question though. How many people are actually cheating? I thought it was maybe 20-30%. So with no intention of ever playing the game again I purchased the most broken cheats money can buy on my main EOD and only account with the intention of getting banned. Last wipe, about a month in is when I did this. A vast majority of the player base is using some type of cheat. Many of them are people attempting to avoid conflict and loot, trying to pretend like they aren’t. I had very few filled lobbies where I was the only person cheating. The problem was significantly worse than I thought. After 6 days of blatantly cheating and using parts of the cheat the developers warned were very high risk I was not banned. I had encountered far more cheaters than legit players. California was guaranteed to have multiple hackers. Dallas was bad too. Finally I did the only thing I knew would result in a permanent ban. I hunted streamers and killed them in the most blatant ways I could possibly think of. Finally, after killing several high profile streamers in blatant ways and after my subscription had ran out, I received a ban. Not even looting everything in the map instantly, speed hacking, phasing through walls, instant killing everyone or flying was enough only being recorded by a streamer pissed off enough to manually report you. The game was a fantastic idea but it has been decimated and is not worth anyones time playing it. Maybe one day they will fix it but as of right now it is far gone. Even if they do fix it, it won’t matter I will never and can never come back without buying a new account and justly so.

[@sked11]

ceases to amaze me how asmongold can word things better than every other content creator in a game. You described how the community is feeling to a T. As soon as you know hackers are rampant you have that question in your head after every death.

[@bakedturkeys2132]

He just gets it. He's not only part of the gaming culture, he's in it.

[@campersruincod6134]

That’s because his IQ is higher than most content creators.

[@JTSuter]

Does that mean you are no longer amazed?

[@shastacat9632]

the wiggle is not just for cheaters, its a sign of peace for any game that has leaning

[@TheBlindWeasel]

Through walls?

[@UCmDBecUtbSafffpMEN3iscA]

Arma and DayZ, right?

[@shastacat9632]

@@UCmDBecUtbSafffpMEN3iscA arma is dayz but ya that is most likely where it started

[@Adam-dg7jt]

@@shastacat9632dayz is arma actually 🤓

[@shastacat9632]

@@Adam-dg7jt dayz mod is arma, dayz isnt actually 🤓

[@austinshoemaker1553]

the wiggle was used in Fortnite competitive matches for money. If you saw someone out in the open swinging their pickaxe at you that meant they didn't want to fight and you could both rotate or continue looting without worrying about the other person. Eventually epic caught on and started perma banning people using it in tournaments.

[@Texas240]

The thing, that doesn't indicate cheating if people are able to actually see each other's game character. Fortnite was banning for uncompetitive play, not cheating. What makes the wiggle or pulling out the melee weapon so damning in this video is that it's communication between players that can't see each other (through walls or terrain) unless they are using cheats.

[@Voldrim359]

That's an interesting behavior in general for a videogame, like how the cheaters had certain community and even they had secret "handshakes" to advise the other players to not shoot you, even more, some level of cooperation when it comes to cheaters finding other stray cheaters. Cheating is bad, of course, but i am interested how they interact more than how they play

[@Tierneil]

They are all just psychologically damaged children who never grew up.

[@sircaballero]

The wiggle in tarkov is actually a universal gesture. Because there’s nothing to show friendly players, it’s the simplest way of signalling to your squad “This is me, don’t shoot!”. It then kinda evolved to say “I see you, but don’t shoot! I’m friendly!” The cheating part is just them wiggling through walls at each other

[@stephen9894]

The discord community thing is almost certainly present in other games. As for the wiggle, it was a way of offering peace between players before VOIP was added to the game. Previously you would only have premade voicelines (in either English or Russian) which could be used so it was a lot harder to communicate and the wiggle was born. The main difference is when you wiggle at someone you can't see...

[@gioviocorleone6577]

This is how cyberpunk look like in multiplayer man.

[@redtemple8918]

tarkov is an incredible game made completely unplayable by cheating and unresolved bugs..... rea shame its on another level to alot of shooters

[@damiansconberg4715]

Yet they keep adding new shit instead of refining what they have

[@T-GOB]

Tarkov is such an amazing game with legitimate players. It is a shame that the cheating is this prevalent

[@TheMosky94]

No worries brother, they will fix it 1/1 , game like this cant die because of hackers . It's to good to be killed

[@ConfirmedZer0]

@@TheMosky94 They're not gonna fix it because of how they can profit from doing nothing about cheaters. If anything, BSG acting hostile towards people talking about this issue says a lot

[@kyleprimeau977]

@@ConfirmedZer0 they have no reason to fix this issue unfortunatly. sure they can save the game but it wont net them much profit. the people who can hand tarkov are already playing the rest would rage quit. with that being said they would rather have thousands of cheaters buy new accounts for $100+ each rather than hope for new players

[@ConfirmedZer0]

@@kyleprimeau977 yup.

[@SPAMLANWALKER]

lol russian camping sim .... good .... bwahahahaha

[@h.a.9880]

Stuff like this kills games. Hell, I've quit World of Tanks for less. I started playing World of Tanks during closed Beta, when you had a legitimate chance to face a Tier 10 Maus in a Tier 4 light tank. I played it off and on with friends for years. I was always slightly worse than a few of my friends, but didn't think much of it, they put more time into the game, so I figured they were just more experienced. I knew they used some "mod", that wasn't considered cheating, but it gave them some additional info, like if the enemy was using premium ammo or not. I figured I'd give this mod a shot after they sang high praises of how useful it is. Turns out this mod not only tells you what ammo your enemy used, but also what type of tank he was driving, what type of gun he was using, _how long he'll take to reload..._ I think it even gave you a more precise indicator of where the enemy fired from.Most of this mods functions only worked in a passive way (ie: most info is only displayed when you get hit), but some stuff also helped you actively, for instance by showing you where your enemy's armor has a weakspot. I lost a _lot_ of respect for some of my friends when it comes to their skills in WoT: When you've got a timer that tells you, down to the split-second, how long your enemy will take to reload, it takes away so much thrill from the game. While I took chances and drove around corners to duke it out with an enemy that had just fired, my friends _knew exactly_ if it was safe or not. I memorized weakspots on tanks through research, trial and error. Meanwhile my friends just put their crosshair on the enemy and the weakspot would light up like a giant "shoot here, dummy" sign. After just one game, I was so utterly disgusted by this mod and the fact that the playerbase was embracing this bullshit in ever higher numbers, that I simply stopped playing WoT altogether ever since that one game.

[@Nephozx]

Genuinely surprised but pleased to see Asmon reach the Tarkov community.

[@Circenn]

I'm not surprised that a big name would make this video now. After Soaps video, people on Twitter were saying watch out for big streamers to bank off his video and they are. Asmon is a good example rn.

[@PSYMEDIC]

I think it is kinda sad that the "Wiggle" as gesture is now ruined by cheaters. Because originally it was a gesture used in ArmA 2 DayZ mod that you are not hostile. Even trhough it was later used to fool other players into tricking you they are friendly.

[@smokedbeefandcheese4144]

Doesn’t seem like it was ruined it just kind of seems like a signal. Meaning things depending upon the context

[@readyRick]

Rare to see another og DayZ player. Its true

[@Murasame13]

It is still used as a "I'm friendly" gesture. Cheaters didn't ruin it, they are just using it alongside their ESP.

[@Jared_09]

I ran into hackers like 4 raids in a roll. With 3 of them using speed hackers. I switched over to PVE and its nice not running into cheaters.

[@tokestarlive8394]

this video has has such an impact on EFt its insane. nikita has had to make statements, they have started releasing numbers and names. This video needed to be done as Hacking is/was making EFt un playable. This video really force BSG hand to address it and hopefully fix it

[@apenguingames4305]

If you fall for the fake propaganda than this game, and it’s community will truly never be saved, do you realize in the hypothetical scenario that BSG bans 100,000 cheaters you’ve gotta come to the realization that’s 75,000 of those is probably just repeat duplicate throwaway accounts for the cheaters they’re not using their man accounts so they will buy another account but that end it of itself is the exact reason that BSG is not very hard on cheaters. They do light band waves and don’t make any serious changes to the anti-cheat which is led to years of spreading containon and the false flag operation to pretend like they’re doing something when they banned 10,000 or 100,000 accounts

[@umadbro4493]

if there were no cheaters, tarkov would be the best game EVER

[@mradamdavies]

I love that goat had a good moral compass in this video. No killing PMCs, no looting/transfering items, etc, etc... Well done.

[@geoflo5143]

Probably already mentioned but the wiggle is basically 'tarkov' own niche in which cheaters took it and ruined it. It was basically meant to show body language towards other players that you are friendly. And cheaters took to further tell other cheaters that they will not kill them.

[@jwaffle42]

As someone who has been playing Tarkov for the past 2 1/2 years, its extremely sad knowing that people have never played the game are going to see this video and will never get to experience the game. It is the most intricate, complex, immersive, rewarding, punishing, and satisfying fps games I have ever played and will probably continue to play for years to come.

[@fives5x77]

I hate seeing all the people saying "this game is trash" but there only exposure to it is the warped perception that the whole game is full of cheaters. No doubt cheaters are a problem but I play on NA east server during peak hours and I die to possible cheaters like maybe once a week, it's not every raid.

[@warlockengineer]

The game really isn't that good lmao

[@patzgro4973]

true, one of the best and worst games ever, at the same time.

[@endymionmikel4022]

no thx

[@TheRokyt]

I'm just happy I got my Tarkov fix a few years ago. Played two wipes with friends, enjoyed it and moved on. I feel the cheating was not nearly as bad back then as it is now, simply because there where less people playing it then. Not to mention Tarkov can be a really big time sink if you're not careful lol

[@Dead_Goat]

The messed up part is to think about the number of cheaters you have won against without cheating. also heads up, faceit is full of cheaters as well.

[@azynkron]

Never played Tarkov, but in Arma/DayZ the whole hacker union thing started since it was pointless for one guy with god mode to try to kill another guy with god mode. Hence, they started working together instead.

[@cerberusblack53]

Tarkov needs a hacker hunter. Someone willing to delve into the darkness of hacks, hunt down those who cheat. Not the hero we deserve, but the hero we need, the cheeky boi.

[@RoughNek72]

ANARCHYHD!!! He's an awesome cheeto hunter!!!!!!!

[@Triusis22]

I've seen this wiggle maybe 10 times and still have goosebumps

[@coltonrobertson5091]

...cause the scavs do it to let you know they're friendly?

[@Jpzorz]

I felt like the % of cheater in Tarkov was high and I actually left the game for playing for 2 good years. Best shooter game ever imo. But after seeing this video it just confirmed I wasnt just bad, maby I am but the ratio of cheaters is just insane.

[@BouncingTribbles]

I learned this lesson in CS1.4, noting like spectating the guy who kills you and seeing their camera flash around and get 180 head shots

[@sqlevolicious]

Fun fact, this is the case with every multiplayer shooter, players are just more discrete and hide them better in bigger games like COD, Fortnite, R6 siege, etc.

[@christianm1553]

Normal players do the wiggle in an attempt for peace, the significance was that it was returned through a wall. Normally it's standing in front of one another in visual range

[@SytoAkira]

If you are NOT hacking, just randomly wiggle from time to time.... you'll come across the hackers who thinks u know he know, then just pop em' in the head when they are letting their guard down

[@jkfang]

This might be a hilariously good way of disrupting the cheater ecosystem. Make them lose trust amongst each other. Watch them start publicly complaining about legit players mess with their cheating techniques.

[@shneef4127]

Yeah let me just wiggle while I open violet while there’s a ledx or gpu in there

[@arionell]

Cheaters are also smart enough to tell apart other cheaters via KDA and in fact having direct line of sight without having one.

[@band0lero]

@@arionell not really. Tarkov KDA counts both PMCs and Scavs. As a legit player it is not hard to keep a 9+ KDA, if your survival rate is over 50% and you kill a decent amount of scavs per raid (playing a map like customs for instance). This wipe I have a 71% SR and a 12.5 KDA, and I mostly don't kill scavs while playing groups because of other's quests. But yeah, direct sightline is an easy tell.

[@donaldhysa4836]

@@band0lero Buuuuuuulllshit!

[@DenethorDurrandir]

I believe it was Upper Echelon who made a deep dive into the cheating problem with tarkov and how the devs refuse to deal with it, actually interviewing a cheater who does business by selling his services, the video came out like half a year ago.

[@jdog7797]

The wiggle move is equivalent to the Indian Scammers message board

[@PLMCPL17]

other form of wiggle is by waving at each other with aiming lines on the radar, dont ask how i know

[@Xiellion]

i was genuinely convinced i had just somehow gotten really bad at the game before seeing his video, I had a solid 5K/D for the first few weeks of wipe, a 70 something percent survival rating, then after the update that broke a bunch of shit I started getting smoked almost every raid, the few i didn't were like pre-update raids, easy walk in and out with a few dotages and a pile of loot, but more often then not i would head to a high tier loot spawn an get dropped through 3 bushes, a scav, and my tier 4 helmet with 1 5.45 PS round to the dome

[@Reekabo]

i just stopped playing games where i have to compete against others, that fixed my problem with cheaters AND it opened my mind about so many other great genres i never player before.

[@GuilhermeLPC]

According to BSGs COO himself, the game has between 70 to 120k players playing simultaneously lately, even if 20% of that are cheating, that's an insane amount.

[@wrythe777]

it is unplayable

[@mathewfox3893]

Worst part is 90% of the Tarkov streamer community was like "I dunno bro, seems legit to me, just good game sense"

[@BigDan12]

Especially Lvndmark and reng their reactions were sus AF, trying to gaslight their viewers into believing the video doesn’t show proof.

[@shanefrey]

I remember the first few Acts of Valorant. There's always these monster of a jett main or rayna main in high rank lobbies that will go headshot after headshot, pushing and prefiring you head. But EVERYTIME THERE'S A PATCH, they vanish for few days, like they are just gone and the game suddenly feel a lot easier. I'd get more comfortable to peek around corner. Then after a few days, they'd be back again. Then repeat after the patch next week and so on.

[@MRdeLaat]

the cheating is so bad the cheaters actually have to work around the fact they are not the only one seeing everyone acros the map

[@delunk5906]

I loved making wallhackers in cs rage back in the day. They still couldn’t keep up. And after much trash talk to me I’d get them talking… they ACTUALLY think they’re good at the game and that the cheats don’t them at all. Actually delusional.

[@CreativeHuckleBerry]

A friend of mine knows meny people "back in the day" that made private hacks, they where in the same forums as the anti cheaters was, especially in those developing demo tools for games that was used to watch in order to detect cheaters. The worst nightmare of an private cheat developer is when you get competition, especially if you are selling monthly membership, now wouldn't it be nice working undercover for a company banning the competition but not your own private hack? You will be suprised how meny pro players cheat that has never been caught and probly will never be caught as the owner are working in that company that produce this private hacks and anticheat softwares.

[@mihaelvulje6842]

I always kinda imagined how would it be if cheating in multiplayer competitive games was punishable by prison. Now i know why it wouldn't be possible... There ain't that much capacity for all the cheaters

[@tarron3237]

So much scum. It's disheartening, right?

[@futurebeatlabs]

probably because there is things higher up on the list of things to be worried about.

[@bullshitdepartment]

*pirates anime *its a trojan that automatically installs and runs a bunch of games and gets you banned for rage cheating from all of them *cops come and arrest you for cheating i see no issues

[@grizworth409]

never playing Tarkov again

[@ivansentanu3498]

Dude.. I just bought tarkov and this video came up to me, I haven't played the game yet.. this is insane... I guess I will wiggle all time

[@vybez3078]

This vid is old, while the cheater problem is bad, it’s better. Don’t let this video ruin your experience the game is great

[@Manarox2142]

​@@vybez3078you 1 of them? you need fresh meat for your cheats?

[@SwiftFate]

As usual, great take from Asmon. Especially as someone with an outside perspective to the game.