The WILD Antics of Penske's Trans-Am Race Team!

[@Argent_99]

One of my favorite Penske transam stories is the one about the brake discs on the their AMC cars. Rules said that the discs had to have a part number from the manufacturers part catalog (I.e. be stock parts.) Penske took the discs from a Porsche 917-10 can am car (~1100 hp needs a lot of breaking power…) and paid a local AMC dealer to enter them into the AMC parts catalog…

[@c0mplex564]

Based as fuck

[@jasin1441]

Hahaha that's awesome

[@04dram04]

That's scummy

[@c0mplex564]

@@04dram04 baby, getting outplayed and getting cheated aint the same thing.

[@jackryan4313]

@@04dram04it's not

[@GreaseMonkey-dq2dk]

It's racing! The rule book says what you can and can't do. It's a racers job to find every advantage while following the rules of that series. If you find time or speed from changing something that the rules don't say anything about, you're gonna win the race. No, it's not cheating, well, maybe in some cases it is, but mostly it's just trying to be better than the other guys on any given day. This is why the rule book is thick as a dictionary today!

[@robertdevito5001]

Acid dipping is cheating, a 20 foot tower for quicker refueling and brake calipers that automatically retract are innovations.

[@GreaseMonkey-dq2dk]

@@robertdevito5001 the acid dipping was innovative too. It was an idea to decrease weight. No rule about how thick the panels had to be at the time, only that they were to be factory supplied fenders, which they were. They just weighed half as much as everyone else's. Some would say it's all cheating. Some would say it's all innovative. The ones that say innovative are probably racers or at least race fans. The ones that say cheating probably aren't, or they got beat by that guy at the last race. 😂

[@shantygaming694]

I really only have an issue with it in grass roots racing series and lower feeder series. I grew up racing jet boats, and there was lower classes designed to be cheap and affordable to attract new racers. A race series designed to simple, drop in a stock Chevy ZZ4, and go racing. Yet you’d have people running built up motors that was obviously against the spirit of the class. And the classes for people wanting to run built up motors exist, but they rather beat up on new racers and people doing everything they can to afford racing in the first place.

[@commodoresixfour7478]

​@@shantygaming694 That could be said for Demolition Durbys too.

[@jamessimms415]

@@robertdevito5001 If your not trying to find advantages or being innovative, then your not serious abt winning.

[@skyfan6662]

It's so interesting to see how Racing was back in the day. Thank you so much for Telling those Legendary Storys

[@djjazzyjeff1232]

It was so much better. Everything in racing has become more and more and more homogenous over the years, in basically all forms.

[@themotorsportstory]

Appreciate you watching!

[@rolux4853]

@@djjazzyjeff1232 exactly! I love the vintage race cars, nowadays everything is boring and regulated to death. No more fun in racing..

[@Jehty_]

@@rolux4853 so you think real death is more fun than regulated to death?

[@rex8255]

@@rolux4853 I was watching a video the other day about how Nascar decided they were going to have these cool new wings on the back! Which worked great until a car got spun, and it created lift. SMDH. Formula 1 is getting so irritated with the FIA they're about ready to give them the finger (or whatever hand gesture te ultra rich use). THANKS, RULES LAWYERS!

[@Torquejunkie01]

That refuelling footage is terrifying 😳

[@heathkill4821]

Indeed fuel dumped all over the rear of the car and when he took off the car shook it off like a wet dog😂

[@RENO_K]

​@@heathkill4821😂like a wet dog

[@markl6038]

Particularly after watching Jos Verstappen's pit stop disaster in 1994.

[@BlackMan614]

Shocked one of the pit crew doesn't have a cigarette in his mouth.

[@yoslauda4714]

​@@BlackMan614ahh that's why he spilled the gas, no lit cigarette on mouth = insufficient skills😅

[@jasonmoyer]

Everyone should read "Unfair Advantage" by Mark Donohue.

[@TheFarCobra]

Anyone who hasn’t read it has wasted their life to this point.

[@themotorsportstory]

Amazing read for sure! I'm still not all the way through it, but there's not an ounce of boring in it!

[@kentbeitel9966]

It’s a fast read, I couldn’t put it down

[@Lobo-tommy10]

If you haven't your just a backmarker.

[@scottyskydog]

Awesome read!

[@terryjacob8169]

It's always interesting to speculate who 'engineered' the best Camaro for the Trans-Am series, the Penske team or Smokey Yunick. Sadly, the SCCA tech inspectors freaked out when they took a first look at Smokey's Camaro and flat refused to let it race. The guy who restored it a few years ago found all sorts of interesting features hidden in it that the SCCA guys never discovered.

[@ClumsyCars]

Such as?

[@janofb]

@@ClumsyCars He used thinner window glass to reduce weight, cut the subframe to raise the floorpan and lower the ride height, and tilted the front end forward to improve aerodynamics. He also ran his fuel through his roll cage making his fuel line 11 feet long and 2" wide which added 1 3/8 gallons, plus he had a larger fuel tank which he would put in a deflated basket ball, then inflate. Tech inspection would calculate the 22 gals legal, then he would deflate the basket ball, pull it out, and add in 2 more gallons.

[@themotorsportstory]

It's amazing all of the stuff these guys did that's only just recently coming to light

[@NoNORADon911]

Trans am now sounds like it should have lipstick and a beard.

[@glennoswald5928]

​@@janofbThe roll cage fuel and the basket ball in the fuel tank were both Smokie Nascar experience s not Trans Am

[@rodimusmaximus3912]

I expected the music at 1:02 to suddenly change audio quality 10 seconds into the song and it was jarring when it stayed consistent.

[@Doomhammer1334]

My grandfather was part of the team during the 60's and 70's, he was part of the sunocos oil for his trans am series and he had some wild stories

[@gunsmoke51]

Who was your father?

[@Doomhammer1334]

@@gunsmoke51 my grand father was Gerald Kroninger, my father was a kid at the time

[@gunsmoke51]

Sure. I remember J(G)erry Kroniger. His son (your Dad?) worked at Penske Racing Summe '76.@@Doomhammer1334

[@dinocharlie1]

So the best part about the brake changes, is that it wasn't from the normal brake booster, they added a second one on a switch to operate the retracting. It was a spec booster, of course, since that was required for the series, but they didn't specify you couldn't add extras. (Also idk if you mention it later, but they'd also take porsche brake calipers down to the local GM dealers and have them register a part number for it so they were "GM" brakes.)

[@polaxis842]

I can really recommend reading the book mentioned in this video "The unfair advantage". There so many great stories more in this book.

[@themotorsportstory]

For sure, It's a great book! I still haven't finished it, but I'm happy I have more left to enjoy!

[@bloqk16]

@@themotorsportstory My favorite chapter in that book was with the Ferrari 512M. If Ferrari devotees ever wondered why that car had lackluster success in its two years of competition, Donohue does well to describe all the shortcomings of the 512 . . . and he pulled no punches with his criticisms.

[@j-pem8127]

I’m a big trans am fan and I was glad to see there were some people who had stories like this. I like watching this old film and the innovations that these guys made

[@natedeog]

My dads father (Roy Gane) was apart of Penske racing in that era and I always enjoy the stories and Hearing the craftsmanship that went into those cars.

[@themotorsportstory]

That's awesome! Sounds like a really great guy to talk to.

[@pete_bruschi_racing]

9:37 "Being the fun loving people that they are, the SCCA..." THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT! #iykyk 🤣 Great video!

[@themotorsportstory]

Thank you for your input. We will continue to monitor the performance balance of your comment. Jokes aside though, glad you enjoyed it! Looking forward to watching your stuff as a fellow autocross/track day enjoyer!

[@reprehensiblereptile187]

@@themotorsportstory The SCCA knows to ruin a good thing, and they do so repeatedly.

[@Raymond-e4r]

To lower the front end of the car he had the spindles moved up. 75 inches for better arodinamics . Mark was an automotive genius, an one hell of a driver, watching him race is what got me into the sport.

[@Kombivar]

This is top quality storytelling, truly awesome!

[@themotorsportstory]

Thanks so much!

[@theglitch99]

If you work for Penske they bend the rules on how much they can work thier employees for min pay as well!!

[@stevecanyon23]

Wow, a great story told about this Racing Team. I love first generation Camaros and the old no. 6s from 1967 and 1968 raced by the Penske Team will always be my favourites. Thanks a lot for sharing!

[@themotorsportstory]

Really glad you enjoyed it, thank you!

[@dougcarpenter7627]

Wins for shitrolling should be stricken from history and fines levied!!! Even from long ago. Rules should always be adhered to!!!!! Unfair comparison should still be corrected!!!!!! Otherwise racing history was made into a f'n bad joke!!!!

[@johndolan5233]

I began going to Goin the Glen in 1969 for all 3 Major events each year until sadly they closed for a few years When they reopened I started going again and Continue to attend to This day. Thank You Roger for The Greatest Show on Earh !! There will never Be another one quite like The best match up Of Roger Penske & the late Great Mark Donahue

[@mordecainyangau2834]

Formula 1 maestro, Adrian Newey once said that there is nothing like the spirit of the rules. In fact bending rules is the birth of innovation.

[@Fireheart318]

The bit about cooling the fuel down to fit more in is straight up genius! I’d never think of that!

[@Loulovesspeed]

Penske and Chevrolet weren't the only ones acid dipping, most of the rest of the competition did it too. Sam Posey tells of the time his team left the body in the acid bath a bit too long. No problem until an official who had been looking over the car leaned on the roof with his elbow and it just buckled. "Oh, what's this" he said, we can't have this! Team Posey got permission from Chrysler Corp. to go to a local dealer and cut the roof off a showroom car and put it on the race car to get through tech inspection. Trans Am, with its strong factory backing at that time, tried anything they thought they could get away with to improve their chances!

[@Charlie_Prinz]

More videos on the Trans-Am series. Lots of awesome stories came out of this race series by all participants. Great job.

[@jerryfrederick6610]

First of all Roger Penske is a good man deep down. He is honest and a good businessman. Second Chevy Cmaros still finished third in points behind Ford and AMC . Ouch! Roger went on to become the president of AMC at the end. Ironic, Yep!

[@xXRunDeathXx]

Tracktribe's "A night alone" music threw me off guard for a moment there. it's the dankpods testing song for me and nothing else !!

[@Bob_Shy_132]

Going from memory, I remember the engine blocks being acid dipped as well. The company Traco comes to mind.

[@dougcarpenter7627]

ANOTHER CHEATING CHEVY COMPANY !!!!

[@marklangren3142]

Track built Penskes engines

[@marklangren3142]

Tracko

[@ClassicStreetIron]

Actually, this is exactly what is missing from NASCAR today. Getting the most out of your car and pit crew by squeezing sweat out of the rulebook.

[@Brandeino]

It’s still ongoing. Just gotta wait 20 years for the new secrets to come out!

[@lemonyogurt0]

I heard a rumour about lol Pva paint on cars disappearing over a race distance. 😂

[@reprehensiblereptile187]

Not anymore, racing has become homogenized across all professional series. Much to the detriment of the sport, and drivers/ constructors.

[@adillakandi.r]

Its still the same, the difference is they would caught after post race inspection

[@DonnieX6]

Nice! 11foot8 is indeed the first thing that came to mind when I heard Penske 😂

[@DonnieX6]

Love your channel by the way, so glad I found it, your videos are quite interesting indeed! 👊😊

[@LuisAbreu90]

maybe in part 2. One of the biggest surprises for the 1970 Trans-Am season was the announcement that Penske Racing was switching from their championship winning Camaros to the, so far, unsuccessful AMC Javelin for drivers Mark Donohue and Peter Revson. The cars were built from scratch in Penske’s shop in Newton Square Pennsylvania. In typical Penske fashion, they included a few “unfair advantages” such as the use of Porsche 917 disc brakes (with AMC part numbers!).

[@themotorsportstory]

I couldn't resist putting that in haha!

[@themotorsportstory]

Appreciate that!

[@themotorsportstory]

Thanks for the idea for part 2! If there's enough info on it, that sounds really interesting!

[@mchristr]

Donahue and crew spent a lot of time sorting out springs and sway bars. That trial and error effort is what ultimately got the Camaro to handle.

[@SJR_Media_Group]

*_Mark Donahue was one of the best race drivers ever... RIP._*

[@charleshulsey3103]

8:00 the fuel tower, in the back ground, is a U-Haul truck. Iro-nyyy

[@themotorsportstory]

🤣Yup, that was how they got it there! I should have paused to mention that, because it's pretty funny!

[@marklangren3142]

Penske trucking didn't exist in the 60's and 70's

[@milfordh.mercado2787]

I wonder how did penske felt when he had to rent a U-Haul truck on that day 😂😂.

[@olih27]

Brilliant video. I am a British F1 fan and know very little about American racing series. This is true racing spirit. Motor racing history is told by teams who have innovated and exploited gaps in the rulebooks. Great stuff!

[@themotorsportstory]

Thank you, glad you enjoyed!

[@anvilsvs]

The subtle art of acid dipping isn't to lower the weight of the car because the shows up on the scales. You put the weight back as low and as far back as you can hide it to lower center of gravity and shift weight distribution. And unless they start checking front/rear weight plus putting the car on a turntable to check CG you're home free.

[@Mtlmshr]

There were really no rules about roll cages either (compared to today) they just had to have one. Today with a car weighing that much you would need a roll cage with tubing that was 1-750” X .095” they had 1-5” X .065” I’m talking a quarter inch narrower and half the thickness if they ever had a bad shunt in on it would have folded like a tin can!

[@EthanTowsley]

If I liked craft beer, this channel would be the craft beer of KZbin channels. Premium, unique, and with an incredibly dedicated, growing, and loyal community. Keep it up! (Also I feel like a snob for being here so early in its lifestyle ;)

[@themotorsportstory]

Haha, I like the analogy! Thank you🙂

[@THROTTLEPOWER]

Great vid, really enjoyed!!! 🏁🏁

[@kenshinflyer]

From what I've heard, only the car-swapping trick was the cheating part. All the rest is innovation. Some of those principles Penske did are being used in racing today.

[@maestro4287]

One of my new favorite channels

[@themotorsportstory]

Thanks, that means a lot!

[@CSelH]

My stepdad used to go to races in Indy about every year with his dad. Here's the best story: It rained all day, but they brought umbrellas to tough it out. He notices the guy in front of him had a Penske jacket, so whenver his umbrella would gather water he would shake or dump it onto the guy. After the third or fourth time, his dad yell at him "Quit fucking with the poor guy, what he do to you?" "He's a Penske fan." Then there were two umbrellas being unloaded on the guy.

[@DennisMerwood-xk8wp]

This Kiwi's favourite Roger the Dodger story. He went to McLaren in the UK in 1967 and talked Bruce into selling him a CanAm McLaren. An M6B I think. McLaren was not selling customer cars at this time. So old Rodger probably emptied his pockets! LOL He took it back to the States and spent another two fortune's on it. Americanizing it. That is, chroming everything, painting and pinstriping everything. In the first race in 1968, he showed up with his baby and parked it next to Denny's car. Bruce's and his boys efforts over the winter. Their completely new version, M8A, hurriedly given a splash of papaya orange paint. And easily 20-seconds a lap faster than the Penske and Donahue's Sunoco trailer queen.

[@Lukkaa35]

this is the type of people I love in motorsports, win at any cost doing anything it takes

[@SoloRenegade]

watching those old cars running loose through the turns.....real driving. I miss that kind of racing.

[@WayneB27]

You omitted the mercury switch controled brake lights and the three lug nut Minilite wheels.

[@gaz170]

Stuff still happens. Years ago in Australian Supercars a team was found to be exploiting the rule that said no ballast could be added outside the passenger cell by having a 50kg muffler fitted to the exhaust system, getting the weight down as low as possible. This was eventually banned. The team? DJR Team Penske 😂

[@balzonyr4head]

Funny story, I race asphalt circle track locally and I bought a car from a guy who didn't know anything about the car. I go to my first race and i have a bunch of people wondering where I bought it because they had thought the car had been trashed many years ago. I dealt with some mechanical issues and as i was fixing it i had trouble welding parts of the car, the metal wouldn't weld, so I replaced pieces with newer material. I go back to the track and I'm having a conversation with another racer who knows where the car came from and i told him about having problems welding it. He told me the original owner built 2 identical cars but one was acid dipped. He wouldn't expound on it, he just said it was something to think about and walked off.

[@jacobantony9033]

You missed how Mark Donahue described the car refueling. All that weight going into the fuel tank at once was like a ton of brick being dumped into the truck.

[@emdotrod]

"If it's not on the rulebook, it's technically legal". Racing skills can make you go fast, but bending the rules to make your car go even faster win you the races and championship. I always find teams that trying to push the limit and go creative with the rules fascinating.

[@charleshughbryan9170]

The AMC engine was junk so Roger put all Chevrolet internal parts in it. Pretty ingenious as always. I saw his teams run at Elkhart Lake where he dominated the series. Also Mark Donahue drive the 917 Porsche to many wins. I was going to college to become a mechanical engineer and built and drove many radical race cars in the 60s and 70s and admired many who read the rule book differently.

[@racerx8856]

So describe the "junk". Penske had Traco build all of his engines.

[@InterdyneInternationalK-9]

Roger Penske was then, is now, and has ALWAYS Been My HERO ! Both On the Race Track, On the Water, and In the Boardroom ! IF it's Good for Me and Not Good for the Company or the Team.......iT Ain't Good for Me ! "We" Ain't Doin' iT ! Race On Captain 🐾👍 Best Always, Bruce Stone and STONE Bros. Racing ✔️🤫

[@Nostalgic9080]

This is the definition of what racing is about

[@dallisb1047]

I saw one of the Mark Donohue Sunoco Camaros once. Absolutely was thrilled!

[@dougaltolan3017]

I like working out the energy transfer rates for fuelling cars.. 22 gallons in 5.5 seconds comes out at nearly half a gigawatt.

[@themotorsportstory]

Interesting! That's a pretty huge amount of energy haha

[@danesorensen1775]

I was fascinated reading this stuff from the other side, in Allan Moffat's book Climbing The Mountain.

[@steelydannnn]

Wow amazing facts of yesterday's racing for Penske. I had only herd of the Acid dipping but the rest of this information is fascinating. Cheating has always been part of the game. I remember when Penske had his cars always waxed so they would slip faster when running. It wasn't cheating, but he always brought innovation to the sport. Thanks for the video.

[@incomingexploiter]

Go read the Unfair Advantage, it was written by Donohue. It's a very good book

[@themotorsportstory]

It's a great read!

[@incomingexploiter]

@@themotorsportstory it really is

[@ktvcars]

Great video! There are so many Penske dealerships here in the Midwest, its great to see the backstory!

[@jehoiakimelidoronila5450]

In the VIN Wiki channel, it's also mentioned that the fuel lines of the camaros are an inch in diameter, increasing the capacity (secretly) SCCA told the team to take one of the tanks out for investigation because SCCA thought there's something nefarious in the tanks, I. E., the cars have longer run times between fuel stops. But penske drove the said car out, *WITHOUT THE FUEL TANK, because there's still fuel in the lines*

[@Firedrake1313]

The comments on this video illustrate the main divide in current racing. Using the top end for example, we have F1, which is you have $$$ do what you want within these guidelines. And then we have indycar, where the cars are the same so it's all down to the driver. At least that's the basic principal. I'd be unsurprised if some of the same type things weren't being tried but iDk really. This divide exists in every type of racing I know of, planes, boats, whatever, there are always both types of classes.

[@RobertDonnyJr-c4e]

Can't believe I've only just caught this vid ,absolutely genius trickery and absolutely hilarious too 😂😂😂 perfect 👍

[@fuzzybutkus8970]

Penske is a beast at anything he touches. Incredibly smart that’s so true.

[@extragoogleaccount6061]

I'd love a video on Penske's time with AMC. They were a weird car company.

[@SAMPLETEXT285]

I live in PA and have friends and family who worked at Penske and i myself worked as a collision tech in their old race shop on Riverfront Drive in Reading ( it was a truck shop when i worked there and still is ) and it was next to the shop where they make penske racing shocks and not once when i worked there was this history even mentioned and im not even mad because this is a great story.

[@HotBoiRicer]

Used to live an hour from reading, still haven’t been to the old shop back home in PA.

[@SAMPLETEXT285]

@@HotBoiRicer id visit again soon as they are building a new shop near Lancaster and moving out of that shop so it's longevity is unknown now.

[@themotorsportstory]

That's awesome, thanks for sharing that! Penske has some great history!

[@BSfromCS]

Those Cougars are so pretty!

[@DIARRHEA-PANIC]

Roger owes everything to Mark

[@raddad10]

Winners never quit and quitters never Win. Good on you Roger Penske. DJT is another one who is a winner.!

[@wymple09]

DJT has been on a very long losing streak, starting with his mind.

[@ryhol5417]

Jesus, seeing all those guys just getting doused in fuel while standing in a puddle of fuel. So dangerous

[@trn8061]

These times were pure gold. Great motorsport story thank you! Love the bonus stories in the comment section. 😂

[@jimknarr4209]

It didn't hurt that The King in my opinion Mark Donohue was behind the wheel.

[@themotorsportstory]

He was a great driver! And reading his book, seemingly quite humble as well.

[@spokanefut]

Great!!!! Do you do one about Penske's years with AMC? As a former AMX owner, I'd love to know more about race involvement.

[@zerg9523]

I love watching someone make a mockery of a rule book… good work sir…

[@zeekot4064]

The amount of fuel spilling over on the back of the car is crazy

[@michaeltheron1610]

One story whether it's true or not is to get more fuel into the car the rulebook did not say ho thick the fuelline must be so he had a massive pipe going from the tank to the engine allowing sever extra gallons I believe.

[@exoditegrayc]

That was Smokey's trick.

[@mahogany3947]

It's all good the weird little audio dropout didn't bother me cool video thanks for sharing

[@themotorsportstory]

Glad you liked it!

[@johnmoore256]

I think it was a Penske team but I can't remember right off hand. But one of the Camaro teams had it where they would cut off the brake light with a toggle switch so the other drivers didn't know when they were breaking.

[@jwilliams703]

Racing in the 60s and 70s and even 80s was just a whole different world that racing is now. Just look how much fuel dumps all over the car when they pull the nozzle out. lol wtf?

[@vladimpaler9274]

Awesome video 🔥

[@jakethreesixty]

I've seen his yacht in person, that thing is HUGE

[@tpq1969]

How can you "bend" a rule that does not exist. Almost everything the did was within the rules that existed, at the time. Just because they were smart enough to use gravity and chilling of the fuel to gain an advantage, does not mean they were bending the rules. Same with the brake piston vacuum setup. Ford was dipping their cars first, but people only get mad when he does it better? Please, Roger was just a little smarter than the competition. Simple as.

[@lestercombs1871]

Rip Mark Donahue. One of America’s best racer.

[@smithyMcjoe]

Innovation should always blur the rules a little, these guys had me cackling at their audacity, fucking rock on Team Penske. Some certified bad asses of the track racing scene for sure.

[@RobertEHunt-dv9sq]

GREAT VIDEO AND GOOD HISTORY. Interpretation of the rules is the name of the game in TA and many other series. it allows for creativity and good engineering practices to put utilized. Bravo Team Penske. SCCA has been known for many years to stifle creativity for political reasons. And finally a moment of reflection for Mark Donahue, one of the best engineers and drivers, and you are greatly missed. RIP

[@themotorsportstory]

Thank you! Agree with everything you said here👍🏻

[@Zixxyz]

Hey the background music is the Dankpods headphone test music! That’s cool

[@wilson2455]

all that racing fuel splashing in/around red hot exhausts, brakes, etc., and zero protection for the refuelers. INSANE !!

[@jacekatalakis8316]

Now I'm wondering who would win between Penske an Zakspeed with their early 2000s Viper and everyting around that and the sheer absolute shenanigans that came out of that (quick change fuel tank, anyone?)

[@themotorsportstory]

That would be a head to head for the ages!

[@MICHAEL-ys3pu]

Unless the rule book says you can’t do something then I think you should be able to, it’s just something no one else has thought of, not cheating.

[@johndoe6027]

Plus getting the rules changed that Penske did alot

[@robertdevito5001]

When they banned towers over 12 feet I would’ve put a big piston at the top filled with wheel weights, it would’ve actually had higher pressure due to the added weight.

[@themotorsportstory]

I like it!

[@x2dgamer34]

Or just pressurize it.

[@PlittHD]

I just watched the VIN Wiki's video about cheating in nascar yesterday so this video is timed amazingly

[@themotorsportstory]

Awesome! Love VIN Wiki's stuff!

[@jhoncho4x4]

Part 2 : Penske + AMC Racing. Heck, the Javelin was redesigned for Penske. Car sat so low, bulges had to be added to front fenders.

[@Happyfacehotwheels]

When i seen Penske rental truck my first thought was the CanOpener!

[@DIARRHEA-PANIC]

04:20 When the tech inspector set his clipboard and materials down on the roof, the roof buckled in...

[@jamesjannell8706]

Great stuff.

[@marklangren3142]

Grey areas are to be taken advantage of

[@oldhick9047]

If it's not in the rulebook, it's legal

[@IronMan3582]

I know Mark "Captain Nice" Donohue drove AMCs for back to back season victories in the Trans-Am series, you alluded to it at the end of the video. Any chance for a follow up with that?

[@DennisMerwood-xk8wp]

The Chevy and Ford factories got fed up with losing to Penske's "cheater" AMC's and pulled out of TransAm. The series collapsed soon afterwards. Just another Series ruined by Penske money

[@IronMan3582]

@@DennisMerwood-xk8wp no? Audi competed in the TransAm series in the 1980s with Quattro and was not invited back after their first competing season because the AWD system humiliated their competition after they started employing a new braking system that kept the turbos spooled up. Perhaps you’re thinking of CanAm where Donahue drove a Porsche and that did in fact kill the series

[@Bronco4x4]

If I remember correctly, in the book “Unfair Advantage “, Mark Donohue goes on further detail with the acid dipped bodied Camaros.The acid dipped bodies had so material removed that it caused the roof of the vehicle to appear buckled, distorted and wavy due to the thinness of the sheet metal. To hide the obvious over the top rule bending; they applied a vinyl top for duration of this season. I believe it was the 1968 season, could be wrong. Either way, that’s crazy and awesome at the same time to think how far they would go to grab the unfair advantage. Don’t believe you could ever see such antics in any form of top level racing today. I believe the last real rule bender in top level racing belongs to Roger Penske again with the Pushrod Mercedes Benz that raced at the 1994 Indy 500. You’ve got to admit, the man has a passion to win….

[@anvilsvs]

The pushrod wasn't rule bending, it followed the rules. INDY had a pushrod class which allowed larger displacement. Richard Petty ran a vinyl top in NASCAR at one time for the same reason.

[@sevay696]

One word comes in mind when listening to this video: AMEEEEERICUUUUUU

[@stuarthynes6136]

Yeah, I heard that the acid dipping was found by an official after passing scrutineering, when he put his clipboard on the roof and the roof bowed in.... great tale if true.. Cheaters, rule bender, it all is innovation. Progress.

[@peronik349]

in the crazy series of circumventing the rules (mode "it's not explicitly forbidden so it's necessarily authorized") I heard about a team which, in nascar, would have imagined having a hidden fuel reserve " in" the pipes of the safety cage ..... sometimes all it takes is a few drops of fuel to avoid running out of fuel ! on the other hand, there is a question of the safety of the pilots in the event of "contact" between cars that are a little too violent.........

[@jerryrichards6290]

people always said my 2 time world series of drag racing I stock winner wasn't stock, i said "no one has ever been able to prove that".

[@makr1961]

Dude thanks so much, lit af videos

[@themotorsportstory]

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