The Winds of Winter: The Battle of Fire (mega-spoilers)

Compiling many spoiler chapters to figure out what's going to happen at Meereen!
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[@Alim-od2uz]

"I just can't wait to see those Ghiscari haircuts on the screen" Me from the future: "oh my sweet summer child"

[@Emanon...]

5:48 Hahahaha... Instead of pyramids Ashaya said "Dragons on periods". A Truly terrifying thought...

[@cameronturner1865]

Aziz looks like he is thinking, "should I make a joke?.... Nah, best let this one go."

[@chrismarsh1890]

Grey lips smiling sadly - Jon Connington smiling because he believes that he is making Aegon king, but will not live to see it due to his disease.

[@HistoryofWesteros]

That fits really well too, perhaps better. Eventually we'll know which one it means... probably.

[@HistoryofWesteros]

I went through a similar process back during the wait for Feast, tried to avoid all spoilers, but the wait was too long and I caved. Now I embrace all spoilers, and take heart knowing that we've been spoiled on less than 10% of the book, and what we've been spoiled on is pretty low on the surprise factor, which is how it tends to go. GRRM avoids giving us the truly big spoilers during the wait.

[@ChrisOliver4307]

The start talking about the Winds of Winter at 27:50, if you don't care about the set up.

[@narayantx]

Thanks

[@amsbeats841]

5:48 "dragons on periods" LOOOOOOOOL

[@mikafairystar]

omg!!!!!! i listen to you guys on iTunes, didn't know you video taped it and posted it here. great to have a face to the voices i hear so often!!

[@mandytrevino8169]

This was posted 6 years ago, & I’m still watching your WOW videos, hoping with every ounce of my soul that GRRM will release this book!!! Such excellent content! Thank you for all your hard work! It’s still appreciated all these years later!

[@clayspringer3667]

I love you guys, as soon as I can, I will be a patreon supporter! Been a fan for so long. I think this is one of your best vids of all time!

[@frankwilliamk3769]

still watchin in 2020 :) thanks for the dedication to great and thorough videos! :)

[@christiankrueger221]

9:35 I think the "corpse stood on the prow of a ship, eyes bright in his dead face, grey lips smiling sadly" refers to Jon Connington, either right after meeting the stone men and becoming infected with the grey death, or sailing on to Westeros with Aegon and the Colden Company. He is truly a dead man walking, and the grey evokes the grey death that ails him.

[@christiankrueger221]

Christian Krueger I see these guys mentioned Jon Connington as well, but I would put my money on him. Especially since you're only disqualification for Connington is that he has already landed at westeros whereas Victarion is still en route on his ship, however that is about to change. And this vision is from the house of the undying and so it doesn't have to refer to the present, which is already past if you think about it...

[@HistoryofWesteros]

Christian Krueger Yeah I've come around a bit on this. I do think it's more likely Jon Connington these days, but Vic does remain possible.

[@christiankrueger221]

Westeros History Word up, my man. Keep up the good work!

[@M0rganKane]

You guys are just so talented! Thank you so much! I love the show, it's so well made. I appreciate it tremendously.

[@justinnyugen7015]

I have an inkling that Dhaario is not as loyal as we'd like to think. Might be another Shae situation

[@LilySaintSin]

What is dead may never die, but rises again harder and stronger.

[@JonnyAugz]

I would like to see a Balon Ironheart

[@paisleypark8150]

EXCEPT-FOR-REEK!HE-HAS-NO-PENIS!

[@mchitale]

Excellent work! You mentioned a few times that dragons are the real wildcards here and that is a very good point. I think there are a few parallels here with the battle of ice. Let me know if you agree: 1. Key characters are out of action (Dany and Jon) 2. Many other tier2 characters if you will, are at play, Victarion/Euron - Stannis/Davos, Red priests, fragmented lesser houses, tribes, companies etc with undecided/shaky loyalties. 3. Most important I think are wildcards, Dragons and Others. Although its not mentioned anywhere but I get a sense from reading whats available that Others are present in close vicinity of winterfell much like Dragons at Mereen. These may be the battles where ice and fire finally make their big appearance and play a decisive roles in the outcomes of these battles either for better or worse. The exact outcomes are of course difficult to predict.

[@prof.cecilycogsworth3204]

Thanks for this video. I learned a lot about what we can know before the publication of TWOW.

[@VIERO666]

i didnt expect to watch the whole thing, but thank you, very nice video.

[@sarahgennaro9910]

Jon Connington 100% fits the corpse at the prow of a ship smiling sadly. He's a corpse since he has greyscale. The smiling sadly fits with his POVs. He's constantly reminiscing about Rhaegar and his failures. If you can't imagine JC "smiling sadly," how do you see Victarion as "smiling sadly?" Has he once smiled in any of his POVs? You note yourselves that Victarion doesn't laugh. JC only smiles about Aegon thinking that he's doing right by Rhaegar.

[@timjurie2769]

I don't think it has to do with anything literal like smiling, I think it is referring to the name 'Greyjoy' as in 'Grey' + 'joy' a sad type of happiness.

[@azizal23]

Connington and Victarion are very compelling possibilities. I would agree that Connington is probably more likely, though at the time of this video I did not think so.

[@AmaanC]

Great episode, guys! Thanks for all the effort you guys put in!

[@joshuasilver7036]

5:48 There's gonna be "Dragons on periods" Well you can count me in.

[@HistoryofWesteros]

Joshua Silver David Perrier The "blood" in Fire & Blood has to come from somewhere...

[@YacobMan7]

She meant to say "pyramid" as she said earlier.

[@joshuasilver7036]

I think we can all agree that you are in fact, CORRECT! You little genius you. But we can also agree that what she said is much funnier than what she meant.

[@marwynmastiff6434]

Westeros History aziz's reaction was funny, i lol'd

[@merc9nine]

Terrifying

[@christianmarrs2422]

This is so awesome. Thanks for the upload guys!!

[@kevinmoore4237]

@18:45 - "your death is with us now" is an echo of Maegi the Frog's words to Cersei's friend Heather. But it's possible that Moqorro means the hand will kill him IF he doesn't let Dr. Moqorro treat it instead of Dusky & The Maester. (it's sad to relisten to this 3 years later and hear your youthful enthusiasm about how awesome it will be when the show portrays the Battle of Fire - not yet realizing that the battles of Ice and Fire and all their strategies and attendant mysteries would be struck from the show)

[@AntoineDennison]

I've always found the books so wonderfully descriptive and nuanced that a single event or character death wouldn't diminish my appreciation of the material, for the most part; it's all so good. Also, this podcast is comprehensive analysis of the books-- if a person is not up-to-speed on what's been published or interested in what's to come, frankly they shouldn't be watching these videos, in my opinion.

[@danman4311]

Have you guys seen the Meereenese Blot post from today implicating the Shavepate as the poisoner? Pretty great work.

[@HistoryofWesteros]

Steve had to retire due to personal reasons, and we're still sad about that, we miss his enthusiasm and personality in particular. But he will come to visit us as a guest from time to time, if not sooner, by the time the show rolls around again.

[@joka619]

First time i'm watching this podcast, and great stuff guys, really interesting views and takes on the new material. looking forward to seeing the remainder of your videos. PS. you got yourself a new subscriber :D i'm sold :P

[@Tobiemoss]

50 million on that piss poor blackwater battle, it looked like it was shot on some Theatre stage with about 20 knights. It didn't even show the boom chain or the bridge of ships.

[@dylanlowers-robson2381]

yh I was disappointed about that as well. But it didn't look that shitty.

[@christiankrueger221]

Tobiemoss Yeah I think that Hardhome was the first large scale battle that they truly did right, even though it was only 20 minutes long and wasn't in the books. I think that they need to incorporate more story telling and perspective if they can't achieve the scale they want in these battles, sometimes that can be just as good.

[@AdoreYouInAshXI]

Tobiemoss The battle wasn't that bad man, yeah, it could have been better but I think it was decent for a television show. Even a HBO show.

[@bronxer78]

Very impressive work! Thank you immensely, History of Westeros! :D

[@SirGeeSantos]

This is a great video. Why are people complaning about Ashaya's hair instead of discussing the books? Goddamnit.

[@HistoryofWesteros]

This is great to know. We've had a lot of people express interest in more spoilery episodes, but mainly, when GoT is in the off season it just seems to make more sense to focus on the books themselves. We will definitely be doing more spoiler-free episodes when Game of Thrones returns, and likely a few in between...well, the history within might be spoilery, but that's typically the case!

[@HistoryofWesteros]

coming from you that definitely means a lot. thanks.

[@foleylee8200]

You lost me at 5:50 when "dragons on periods" is mentioned. And the look on the dudes face is PRICELESS!!!!

[@HistoryofWesteros]

those stilt walking soldiers are just too funny.

[@kqwentin]

Probably a little late with the comment but that Gorkhaz character you were talking about who supposedly was the supreme commander of the Yunkaii is one of the "clancker lords"described in Quentin's chapters in dance. In those chapters and in Tyrion's we see a little of how they rotated command in between these "lords".

[@korky94]

48:00 Tyrion is always a Wild Card, as well.

[@mikebodenhamer6323]

I like your vids better when its just the two of you. Ditch the other people lol. Great insight into the world that grrm has laid out. Keep the vids coming Ashaya & Aziz

[@nells317]

First off I found this podcast last week and I think its awesome! I always thought the grey corpse on the ship from Dany's vision was Jon Connington, when he succumbs to the greyscale. Thought?

[@nells317]

Welp just got to that part, lol.

[@fabriciorosso9807]

Good work guys, your videos are amazing!

[@melvinofthiruvalla]

"Dragons on Periods", Shit just got Unreal!

[@Josiahfallen1]

Thanks so much you two! I really love this vid. Once the USA version of dance comes out we might have another sample chapter!

[@HistoryofWesteros]

We discuss that possibility in our Tyrell plots episode, which I don't think there is a video for. We have several episodes on iTunes/Facebook (free download) that are not in video form, because we weren't making videos when we first started the podcast. Let's just say we agree with that possibility...

The guy looks like Daario lol

[@paisleypark8150]

WILL-DAARIOO-NOHARIS-BE-FREED?

[@AbelMcTalisker]

paisleypark The same way the orcs did in "Return of The King"1

[@HistoryTime]

Quality stuff. SUBBED

[@skizzik121]

it bugs me ever so slightly when Aziz starts a sentence LOUD AND FORCEFUL....and ends it timid and mumbly lol

[@paularmstrong2020]

What? Aziz is awesome!

[@schm0tz449]

Love the channel great work guys!

[@narayantx]

I think the combo of Tyrion's Dragon knowledge and Dany's "positive experience" in the Dothraki Sea while grant him a reprieve. I think the horn is red herring.

[@imjustincredible]

really interesting videos guys, I have to find time to watch all of your other videos too, subscribed! :-) also great to see more stannis fans, i always found him very funny

[@briantarman7074]

Rite at the end of the fifth minute you said " dragons on periods " nasty visual

[@HistoryofWesteros]

That's very possible, and we perhaps should've mentioned that. I am not sure about why his lips would be called "grey" other than that he's old, but the rest fits pretty much perfectly.

[@HistoryofWesteros]

Great idea actually. We can do a 15-30 minute video explaining all the new releases and various "extra" books coming out. The good news I can tell you upfront is that several of those projects involve very little to no work at all from GRRM.

[@HistoryofWesteros]

Episodes are on an every 2 weeks schedule, you can expect one Sunday the 6th.

[@peanutbutterjelly3440]

Dragons on periods, oh the blood, oh the horror!!

[@chinaskibloodline]

I'm sure I read somewhere that George said the TWOW prologue would be set in the Riverlands,that we'd see Jeyne

[@HistoryofWesteros]

You are correct, he did say that! (But it was after we made this video, so we didn't know at the time).

[@1947Israel]

Well done, thank you for the upload.

[@HistoryofWesteros]

hope you are enjoying it, more to come...

[@HistoryofWesteros]

There is so much to miss, that's what we're here for! the old woman with the dreams we see with the BwB/Arya says "I dreamt of a man without a face, waiting on a bridge that swayed and swung. On his shoulder perched a drowned crow with seaweed hanging from his wings." Man without a face = faceless man and Balon "fell" from a rope bridge. Drowned crow = Euron Crow's Eye. Also Euron showed up the very day after Balon's death, which strongly indicates he knew it was coming.

[@HistoryofWesteros]

We had that wrong, we were saying 50 million when we should have been saying 15 million. It's pretty high up there, but the pilot of Boardwalk Empire is one that trumps it for sure, as it was around 20 million.

[@Sirchud68]

Great job. My one stop source for all my ASOIAF needs. THE KING IN THE NORFF!!!

[@HalcyonGamingOfficial]

great video although I think you could balance your audio better in post-production as your voices often go from very quiet to very loud, keep it up

[@ericchadwick5936]

I agree. The girl's volume is usually fine but it irritated me how the guy's would start super loud and then end super quiet,

[@HistoryofWesteros]

Eric Chadwick PlaystationZ0NE it's not so much a post-production issue as it is"I'm bad at keeping myself at a level volume" :) But I am aware and am trying to get better at it!

[@HalcyonGamingOfficial]

cool, keep up the good work, the fact is though if you use a limiter or a compressor you dont need to worry about what volume you talk at, as it reduces all sound to a similar level

[@bluetextbooks]

yeah his laugh/chuckle sounded like nails on a freaking chalk board.

[@alwaysblazen1369]

great if your riding on a roller coaster. i have rarely seen that much shake in a cam

[@HistoryofWesteros]

thanks, hope you enjoy the rest!

[@clamchenko]

Thanks guys,keep up the good work!

[@Solidify13]

Cool analysis. Enjoyed this. I haven't checked yet but if you don't you should definitely do a Battle of Ice analysis.

[@Solidify13]

#Stannisforking

[@olayinkaolarewaju6335]

Very good presentation, not once did they talk over or interrupt each other.

[@HistoryofWesteros]

We just did. It is an excellent piece, concise and to the point. Good chance he's right. Something felt wrong about it being Hizdahr being the poisoner because it was so sloppy but I never took the time to dig deep on that particular aspect of it. We're certainly aware the Shavepate has his own agenda, it's just that many of his goals align with Dany's. But not all.

[@simonjohngraham]

Great job team , thanks for the podcast

[@HistoryofWesteros]

Glad you like it. We are big fans of your art! I assume that the horn is loud enough that any POV who hears it will take note of it (what the HELL is that thing?!?), but it's possible that the horn is too far away for Tyrion to hear but the dragons still do. Like a dog whistle kinda thing, hah.

[@SPBESQ]

Thank you for covering this topic. I was troubled by the Victorian Chapter when I read it, but was not sure why. I did go back and read it again and realized that it started telling the story w/o it being from his point of view. It struck me as an error, because GRRM believes in the unreliable narrator, which is why we have POV Characters. No other POV Chapter ever behaves that way. Wouldn't GRRM stop Victorian's POV Chapter if we are getting third person narration? The fact that GRRM keeps the story as part of Victorian's POV must mean that it is Vic's POV, whether a vision or whether he had an out of body experience, like some who died or who has warged. I did not tie it to the Prophecy from the Undying- GREAT CATCH! I think you nailed it. Also, note that when the undying describe Rhaegar's sigil- they refer to the Dragon as a "Stallion." This may tie in w/the Dothraki prophecy of the Stallion who Mounts the World, meaning Drogon: the "Stallion" who will mount the world.

[@sharadowasdr]

I am reminded of how the Native Americans called horses 'dogs' because they could not think of what else to make of this new creature. In the context of Dothraki culture the dragon could be another kind of 'stallion' .

[@HistoryofWesteros]

We have been awaiting that as well! Aziz thinks it will be an Aeron chapter...we both certainly hope it is one that we don't already have a report on, at least.

[@sagarshahane1428]

The real result of the battle in podcast form will come out when ajiz and asheya turn 70

[@matthewburdick4966]

So fucking wild that this episode is about "a book that will be coming out soon"... 8 years ago

[@HistoryofWesteros]

turns out "soon" was in the historical sense :)

[@GhostMonkey772]

Man I need to really remember details I may have to reread some things.

[@shaggyamber]

Hi there can only win the Storm with Kaitlyn had cheeseburger feel like getting a look at all our new emoticon submitted.

[@ivanenfinger9331]

7 years later amd still no Winds of Winter and no indication that its coming anytime soon.

[@blah6331]

05.50. dragons on periods..... sounds scary!

[@johndaly5268]

Wildcard Sunny reference. Good for you

[@keittykit]

New listener/watcher. It's fun to see the excitement regarding the show. It was great while it followed GRRM's plot. BTW, you, sir, kinda look like the second Daario on the show

[@shaneocon21]

If George wasn't fanboying out when he wrote a Red Dawn (ERE THE SUN RISES ) a and added a Dragon's Dawn :D

[@Wellcraines]

btw.. one big assumption with this video is that Dany will return to Mereen. i'm not convinced that this will happen. this could be one big 'beetle' battle for an absent queen.

[@acs237]

When you referred to gray lips smiling... Didn't Jon connington think at one point that his last wish was to see his lands again? That would explain the smiling sadly point better than greyjoy I think.

[@HistoryofWesteros]

So do we! I feel like we won't get anything until the actual book arrives though, as Skagos is probably something GRRM is going to keep hidden. Speaking of, check out our Skagos video if you haven't already!

[@GeekFurious]

Pilot episodes tend to cost a lot since they are the start of production. In that, those pilot episode numbers are inflated unless they never make more than that first episode (which does happen, look at WONDER WOMAN which reportedly cost over $10 million and was never even finished).

[@johnsweet96]

Ive had this thought in the back of my mind that euron is a faceless man, or even a faceless man killed him and took on his appearance when balon banished him to essos.

[@KhalRobbo]

nah man, he is way too ambitious! faceless men are trained to be no-one plus he's been away adventuring & plundering dude. i love the crows eye and utterly fascinated with unVictarion. oh yes.

[@shytguy]

Awesome vid thanks guys def subscribing. Cracked up at " tub of a shit" lol have you guys heard the baristan chapters when the battle starts and baristan charges out? With those stupid little pigeons on stilts?

[@HistoryofWesteros]

A funny mental image, I can't get it out of my head.

[@GeekFurious]

I actually watched/listened to this twice. Outside of my personal dislike for what I call reading-podcasts, I think you two are a very enjoyable listen.

[@airsoftkiller12313]

during the battle i believe that Tryion will be take a control of one of the dragon

[@KhalRobbo]

I wish! So would Tyrion... but no, i doubt it. Jon however...at the Wall.

[@mihaa94sky]

Jon is dead probably. Being stabbed multiple times and surive? I doubt it. I also doubt he will be resurected as it would be lame, Cat was already resurected, if it keeps going on, deaths lose the emotions attached to them.

[@KhalRobbo]

Calm down! Cat & Beric have been resurrected, a very small percentage of the characters & in a world where magic exists, Jons rebirth amidst smoke and salt wouldn't be that big a stretch. Nae bloody way is Jon dead! His next chapter we will get his POV thru Ghost & i think Mel will be able to resurrect him. Red woman has power, & even more so at the wall. s'gonna be awesome however George does it.

[@MaxMustermann-go8xf]

myfavoritescenes Cat was resurected? Well is it really Cat? I don't think so. I rather think of her as a ghost haunting the ones who wronged Catelyn.

[@joka619]

myfavoritescenes pehaps he can come alive again via ghost (horcruz situation perhaps), but otherwise very caesar like, his death that is.

[@shobhitkaul8076]

burning sensation! haha that was sensational.

[@narayantx]

Chaos is a Ladder indeed!

[@philipmarsh2172]

People who love Meereen will be in awe of the epic battle and people who are bored by it will love that it's being destroyed. Everyone wins!

[@DaynePeachman]

You guys are AWESOME!

[@reachinghigher4259]

It wounds me that this was posted 6 years ago and the book still isn’t out.

[@HistoryofWesteros]

Wow, I had no idea. I imagine Rome's pilot was expensive as well. Imagine using all those costumes and sets just once. If I was making a show I might consider building it around some failed show whose "stuff" I could recycle, hah.

[@maplezyrup]

I was randomly linked to this podcast today... Excuse me while I lose a few days.

[@CavemanJesus4Life]

Damn I haven't been on here in a while, but it seems that The Winds of Winter is going to be Epic if it contains 6 battles

[@bps5891]

Beautiful as ever Ashaya.

[@SixIsaac23]

Man, I love these podcasts but I would love if ya'll make more spoiler-free ones because I'm not caught up entirely and I would like to see videos that do not spoil everything. /:

[@korky94]

I have a feeling Ser Loras 122:45 is in much better condition then he's rumored to be.

[@oldrazzledazzal896]

At about 1:17:24 you mention Brown Ben flipping sides probably wasn't one of the three treasons, where a lot of people are claiming it was the one for gold. To back you up, in ADWD Ben returns to Meereen after switching sides. He has a conversation with Dany where he talks about how gold has nothing to do with his turncloak attitude, as "silver's sweet and gold's our mother, but once you're dead they're worth less than that last shit you take as you lie dying." - He obviously could be lying but his speel strikes me, personally, as genuine

[@HistoryofWesteros]

That's a good catch, I hadn't connected his earlier speech to the notion of his betrayal. We're under the impression that the 3 betrayals will all be rather spectacular, and obvious. The Khal's death combined with Rhaego's "stillbirth" seems spectacular enough, but I don't think the other two have happened yet.

[@jaxup1985]

Mormont was the treason for gold. Mazdur was for blood. Just speculation but I think The Treason for love is Hizdahr... the Harpy very possibly has someone he loves and needed to install someone has a puppet and have them poison Dany.

[@oldrazzledazzal896]

Mormont didn't betray Dany for gold, he did it so that he could be pardoned for his crimes and go back to Westeros

[@oldrazzledazzal896]

And you should read up on some theories about how Hizdahr didn't actually betray Dany at all. Especially if you think he was the one who poisoned the locusts.

[@HistoryofWesteros]

part of GRRM's interest in that relationship may stem from the time he spent writing for the show Beauty and the Beast. That parallel needs no explanation!

[@Usurpationblitz]

Yeah. I've been reading this series since my girlfriend came back from England in 1999 and brought home A Game of Thrones for my birthday. It all really fell into place since A Clash of Kings came out the fallowing month (US), so it gave me time to read the book twice before I read A Clash of Kings. I didn't have to worry about spoilers back then since no one I knew read the series, but now with the show, everyone I know is at least watching the show, and people keep trying to spoil me.