The Wolfe Tones, Late Late Show Debate, RTE - Part 4

[@oliver2846]

Thank God we have people like the Tones because the Irish Press will not mentions what the UVF,UDA, and the British have done.

[@karlbarry6004]

RTE DIRTY FUCKINH CALABRESE

[@peterfranks6243]

Because we are weak, nodding sheep... have been since the formation of this 'state'

[@karlbarry6004]

@@peterfranks6243 your dead right Peter I'm from Dublin Ireland 🇮🇪 and I can tell you if we weren't half of stupid we wouldn't be so tick your so right I don't know why the Irish won't stand up for there selfies our country is been sold out in front of our eyes and do fuck all about it

[@noelmoran5725]

Pat Kenny is Dublin thick, up da Wolfe Tones 🇮🇪

[@josparkes1]

The chap Finton refused to discuss the terrible atrocities that the Oranges had done, and tried his best to do the Wolfetones down, but I think they are a brilliant band. I attended a gig last year in Dublin and they were very friendly and nice to talk to, especially Brian.

[@mobilegoat1]

Up the wolf tones and may God bless them and protect them .

[@t-boneshteak8426]

Fintan should write the songs he wants to hear, top class muppet.

[@troychartier9575]

In the 90's Tony Blair wrote a formal letter of apology on behalf of the British government .He recognized his country's responsibility for the genocide of the famine years. Over a million died and a million more were forced to leave or starve to death. Every time the argument is made that the IRA is the aggressor it is invalidated by over 800 years of British aggression.

[@longmemory1620]

+troy chartier Blair apologizes for the famine genocide then he enables the "war" in iraq

[@liberalirishman1425]

He apologised for Britain's failure during the famine, not genocide. Because it wasn't genocide.

[@Cash4gold84]

Martin Dwane “failure”? They were shipping out tons of food from Ireland when the Irish people were starving.

[@cameronoisin7806]

@@Cash4gold84 …. Cmon do your history here mate. That was in the big master plan to make the whole state of Ireland Protestant. The brits secretly poisoned the crops and then Britain brought tons loads fresh food and supplies etc. to Ireland to make them seem like this lovely courteous and god like nation. They then gave it to the starving and suffering but only in return of them joining the Protestant Church or better known as ‘taking the soup’ .

[@memorybliss]

What a superb demonstration of what passed / passes for journalism in Ireland. Next Fintan will be telling Kneecap what they can do, say and think. Bootlickers truly make the best bullies.

[@FrancesSloan]

When history is forgotten it is bound to be repeated. Much of Irish History has been carried on in song, the good the bad and the ugly. Irish history is what it is. I saw in Ennistymon a tombstone that read here lies(forget the name) killed with his 3 daughters by the English army. 1921.Obscure but poignant reminder of Irish suffering at the hands of the English. My son-in-law from Warrenpoint tells of the violence growing up. He's 38 yhears old.May peace last forever, history told straight

[@josparkes1]

Excellent discussion and the wolfe tones are winning !

[@AineCooney-if2jv]

Up the wolfetones I love you guys ,u made many memories for me as a child. My father a proud republican brought us every year since I was 5 to watch ye in killarney we're from Cork..I'll see ye on the 29th Musgrave Park! 🙌😁🤗🤣😝can't feckin wait

[@paddystapleton2280]

Shame on rt e why should the wolfe tones have to defend their music their longlevity speaks for itself

[@MZophiel]

"Choosing to ignore" was a theme Pat and Fintan brought up here. They choose to ignore that there was a very simple solution that would have prevented bloodshed. Not invading someone else's country and imposing foreign rules of law. That applies back to the Normans. In more recent times the Troubles flared up because the nationalists in the north had literally no other option. Sickening to hear west Brits mock Joe McDonnell in this debate. There's a powerful line in it about the Brits: "And you dare to call me a terrorist, while you look down your gun, when I think of all the deeds that you have done. You have plundered many nations, divided many lands, you have terrorised their peoples and ruled with an iron hand, and YOU BROUGHT THIS REIGN OF TERROR TO MY LAND" To go back to an earlier point Joe McDonnell wasn't a victim either, he was of the bravest of the brave.

[@mattsmyth117]

💚

[@josparkes1]

Well said ! I love the Wolfe Tones music.

[@IrishShillelagh]

It's utterly ridiculous to expect the Tones to write a song supporting Orangism or Loyalism which is what O'Toole is actually implying that they should do. Like most public figures in Ireland, they cannot publicly say they supported the PIRA or they'd beattacked, and O'Toole knows that, he's totally disingenious. When he speaks of "atrocities," why doesn't he write an article about Free State atrocities during the Civil War? Those have done more to promote the IRA than the Wolfe Tones ever did.

[@CaptLCPD]

O'Tool is a TOOL! God save Ireland!, God Bless the Wolfe Tonnes! And may thier songs live on forever! Erin go bragh!

[@maureenurquhart]

Totally Agree Capt Soar Alba and Erin Go Braugh and Hail Hail to the Fabulous Wolfe Tones ❤❤❤

[@noelmoran5725]

2024 we still lov da Wolfe Tones🇮🇪🇮🇪💪💪

[@Dedicednu]

I'm am American, and MrWilman79 brings up a good point. Many Americans see this as a religious problem. No matter what your personal beliefs are, you're either labeled Catholic or Protestant. People don't realize it's FAR more complicated than that.

[@fjordking]

the wolfe tones are not politically correct I love them

[@MrMarch2005]

they are singing what they know about. that doesn't make them idiots. singing about things as they affect them doesn't make them bullies.

[@coletteconroy]

the wolfetones won this argument fair and square. Anyone that has been to see the wolfetones know how great and passionate they are and how they honour those who died for the country. Those media people tha twere buried in the audience deserved another slap, ya simply dont go to a gig if ya dont liek those songs its simple.... fintan o toole couldnt name any song aprt from the 3 he kept repeating: the celtic symphony,helicopter song and rock on rock all so that shows how musically well up he is

[@coletteconroy]

the people spoke, the wolfetones won the debate, they wrote many many wonderful songs that should be appreciated. nothing moronic about them here, they are truly the greatest and most professional group around still. i met many wonderful people thru wolfetones gigs so the bull comin out from journalists is not true, i have been to over a hundred and there hasnt been ANY trouble at them north south east or west... :) LONG LIVE THE TONES :)

[@patriciathewisher2315]

A crazy conversation. Maybe Fintan could give them a list of topics these artists should write about ffs.

[@JuryMalkin]

wolfe tone's rock. from CANADA. It's time the truth came out about england!!

[@seomrafoirne]

love the way they keep calling him finbar really pissed him off

[@20matt06]

Celtic Symphony-celtic Helicopter song- Prison Escape Joe McDonnell- Hunger Striker Up The Tones!

[@TravisLoneWolfWalsh]

Long live the Wolfe tones

[@Emmet21982]

I agree with Fintan O' Tool when he says that The Wolfe Tones music supports The IRA but there music is good and does no harm to anyone. People need to move on and put the past behind them. One day we will have our six counties but for now less just enjoy the music! Peace!

[@mobilegoat1]

They tell what really happened to individuals in Ireland and are condemned for it ,the British are not angels and are still conquerors no matter what you call them .

[@MrWilman79]

I was brought up in a Protestant community in Northern Ireland and so have become immersed in the political outlook which runs parrallel. Many people in both communities have long since lost interest in there respective churches. When asked Do you believe in God? I am honest enough to say no. My statement above was made along socio-political lines in keeping with context. It was not intended as a declaration of christianity. But your point was a fair one Tollundwoman. Good call. William

[@Seanmcdhuibhne]

I want to see The Wolfe Tones reunited again. I met a group of Americans in The Merchant Pub and brought them to the Wexford Inn to see The Tones.loved it so much they each bought tapes signed by the band. I still and always will play The Tones cd.

[@ElendilAndAragorn]

"no one has ever written a song celebrating Bloody Sunday" Mister respectable journalist over here has never heard of Loyalist ballads. "Up to our necks in Fenian blood" could be a brand of soup to Fintan for all he knows. In fact below I have copied in a song from a UDA Long Kesh detainee's songbook: ""Sunday morning went for a drive, Took along my Colt 45, Hey Hey Hey, what a beautiful day, Went to Derry not on a hunch, Knew I'd get a taig before lunch, Hey Hey Hey, it's a beautiful day. Bang Bang Bang, Bloody Sunday, This is my, my, my, beautiful day, When I say, say, say, Bloody Sunday, I mean my, oh, my, What a beautiful day. Taigs were marching like on the Falls, I opened up from old Derry's Walls, Hey Hey Hey, what a beautiful day, Taigs to army said it was you, Didn't know that I was there too, Hey Hey Hey, it's a beautiful day." I don't know how anyone could take that sort of attitude and revelry in state-inflicting suffering peaceably. The way Fintan always goes on about the IRA smacks of either ignorance or (self-)hatred.

[@bdeithrick]

Well writen. And what a great tune by that artist. It’s these songs pro and against is what we all need to teach us irish history . It certainly was taught in schools or vis otoole columns.

[@hughoneill368]

o'toole is talking out of his arse i have bn listening & watching the wolfetones for over thirty years & every album has a balanced mix of traditional folk irish folk & rebel songs they tend to be more republican on stage depending on where they are performing & the crowd !! good on them !! down with fintan !! ooh ah up the ra !!

[@hoopref95]

This guy Finton is a "tool". If you don't like them, don't go to their show. This was an ambush of the Wolfe Tones!

[@geneuddyc8097]

Met Tommy and his wife on cruise at Italia 90 and no better person could u meet..idea given here by the journalist is totally untrue

[@noelmoran5725]

God save Ireland, Dundalk🇮🇪

[@fla1990]

Well done lads. God be with the days of Teach Furbó every wednsday night. Beir bua agus Beannacht.

[@ianclark6485]

Why the fuck would they write songs glorifying the murder of people? They are not loyalists

[@btmacdowell]

So, the Enniskillen Remembrance Day bombing, which the IRA immediately said was a mistake and for which Gerry Adams apologized on behalf of the Republican Movement in 1997, means, according to Fintan O'Toole, that nobody is allowed in good conscience to sing about Irish history or Irish Republican successes and grievances?

[@heybeeg]

The best folk group in the world??? Check out The Dubliners. The Dubliners don't have to sing to a tape recording of an orchestra and are definitely the best folk group in the world!

[@coletteconroy]

@Lorcank they do celebrate the great Irish patriots and heroesand people of ireland ,the hunger strikers, wolfetone & the united irishmen, the irish abroad, the constant struggles , michale collins, kevin barry etc all remembered by the wolfetones in song :) :) why the name calling???, if your not a fan your never going to be, but you shouldnt disrespect those of us who do admire Brian Noel and Tommy :) and enjoy the songs and stories they gave us :) T.A.L is true.....

[@soldierbhoy]

Ask O'Toole about the Widows pub in Dublin in 1994 when Martin Doherty was murdered by British assasins.

[@trevorhoary4580]

Fintan is clearly a blue shirt.

[@coletteconroy]

@coletteconroy The wolfetones like the rest of us TRUE Irish have something to be proud of: Our leaders and patriots who fought for our freedom and The Wolfetones are the band that made histry themselves thru the music they write and sing at each gig all across the world, I am proud to be irish,proud of my Irish heritage and even more PROUD TO BE A WOLFETONES FAN, they say it as it is and let the begrudgers like some here begrudge them all ye want .. must be jealousy with ye is it????????????

[@BeerNotPizza]

I just watched it again. Fintan says the Helicopter Song is about the IRA, Brian chuckles and says sarcastically "hahaha that's about the IRA.." (the context of Brian's reply is to say Fintan is stupid to think the Helicopter Song is about the IRA.) Brian then says: "you give me poor examples there..." (suggesting none of the songs Fintan lists are about the IRA. Watch and listen again.

[@ruairidevine]

That O'Toole bo needs to lighten up.

[@Fr26495]

So you think they only chose one side - I ask --- SO WHAT! They can write what ever the hell they want!

[@btmacdowell]

Does that mean then that the Brits, in light of the thousands of civilian deaths they caused in the bombing campaign in WW2, as one example, shouldn't in good conscience be allowed to sing songs of welcome to their troops returning home? Or that I, as an American, should not in good conscience be allowed to praise our fine men and women in unform in song because of some atrocity, imagined or otherwise, in history? I think not. Fintan O'Toole is wrong.

[@eilishmeskell7245]

I surport the wolftones

[@Dedicednu]

The Wolfe Tones song Protestant Men summarizes it all very well.

[@1_Vizion]

how ironic the man that went to UCD and is now a "journalist" doesn't comprehend the struggles of the Irish public and understand the relation to people singing songs about the people that caused AS STATED BY HIMSELF 1,000 of the 3,000 deaths during a trying period in our national history while also seeming to forget that this has been a multi-centenary conflict.... colour me surprised...

[@andrewbrand2433]

English army lick and west Brit O'Toole getting his arse kicked once again and west Brit Kenny backing him up.

[@senorgammon6161]

British army

[@coletteconroy]

@DobbsyG i have been to over a hundred wolfetones gig all over the country and beyond and their has honestly NEVER been any drunken brawl or fight anywhere among them :) :)

[@karlbarry6004]

Bring on the WOLFE TONES GOD SAVE IRELANDS LENGENDS 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪

[@TT_1221]

I never even implied they caused the troubles, but I agree those songs are a reflection of those times. Those times when two communities were killing each other tit for tat. Now we are all trying to build new times and a new future and those songs don't help that process. You have to let go of the past if you want a new future. And those songs stir people up, just like loyalist songs stir up republicans. There best left where they belong - in the past.

[@patrickoreilly4358]

Fuckin hell, its like arguing with three little children

[@irishcol]

i love it!!! they shake hands at the end of the debate. thats as irish as you get!!!

[@LiamDeej]

how can a band who sing about ireland resembling a teddy bear be about violence and hatered?! forget the politics and love the music..

[@MrWilman79]

In the hands of a more competant host this could have been an interesting debate. As an Northern Irish Unionist this program displays very well the fact that for Northern Ireland to be at peace, the sanctury of British soveirnty is vital. Northern Ireland is an important sanctury for Northern non-catholics.

[@philruane5910]

Up the tones

[@TT_1221]

I believe in Unity but only through consent as it now is. 85% of Irish north and south agree with that. Voted for in the Agreement. I've no doubt it will happen and since agreement every child born north now has an automatic birthright to an Irish passport, something they didn't have before. OO A UP THE RA isn't everybody's history. I'm not ashamed of my History. How many Continuity IRA or Real IRA do you think attend their gigs? I'd say a lot. They stir people up - and its best left in the past

[@conr16]

Actually to that guy in the glasses.. The loyalists bands have written songs about "killing taigs" and "grabbing fenians and shooting them" etc etc.. What about "kick the pope" bands and so on? One sided point of views are bad lol

[@bannanachops]

Wolfetones and Fintan O Toole should do a duet of 50cent and Kanye West songs, then we can have gold chains, fast cars and hos and we can all be happy and dance and drink.....800 -years -of -debate -finished -with,done -and -dusted, I -thank -you..

[@RONPAULROADWARRIORS]

It's not true that no one wrote songs celebrating Unionist or British violence. There are hundreds of them all over youtube

[@torquemada3273]

.....and everyone of them is shite...truly fckin awful....hundreds of vids on yt of their same 2 songs🤣🤣🤣

[@user-yp3oj5se1i]

Fintan @2:30 'Nobody has ever written a song celebrating Bloody sunday'???? The britzi's literally have 'rebellious Scots to crush' in their national anthem. No talent fintan o toole.

[@gavinphelan79]

UP THE RA

[@jonathanmagee9967]

If ever there was proof you shouldn't argue with 3 fools this is it

[@KenfromDublin]

Thanks for that DublinCelt76 and I am soooo not surprised.

[@gerrymulligan8576]

The.tones.r.brill

[@jonoessex]

@MrBmw714 If the british wanted to oppress people in NI they would not have introduced reform after reform giving catholics more rights. They would not have tried to set up a power-sharing assembly between catholics and protestants at sunningdale in 1973. They would not have outlawed descrimination on religious grounds, they would not have set up a fair employment agency in 1975. torture and killing of civilians happen in war but these things were illegal.

[@philip3917]

They say they only sing songs they learnt at school. It must have been a very special school that taught them The Men Behind the Wire and The Ballad of Joe McDonnell in the 1950s.

[@TT_1221]

I believe in nationalisim/Unity but only through consent as it now is. 85% of Irish north and south agree with that. Voted for in the Agreement. I've no doubt it will happen and since agreement every child born north now has an automatic birthright to an Irish passport. These songs will always be remembered in Nationalist history, but you'll never find them in a classroom history book, because they only give one sides view, right or wrong. They stir people up, they are best left in the past

[@MrWilman79]

I should point out the embarrasing typo I made... I meant to say that I discourage YOUNG Protestants... not you protestants.. woops! Sure I'm one myself. Nice to speak with you whowasaynrand, protestant republicanism is a voice seldom heard were I come from. This interests me.

[@steviecfc2]

Up the ra

[@MrMarch2005]

they sang songs about the IRA and the British through their eyes. So whats wrong with that? they haven't deviated from that

[@donalbarker3149]

Too many west brits like fintan o toole in ireland always had been thats why we never fully got our country back irishmen always made excuses for terrible british behaviour in ireland irish people talking about their favourite english football team in the first person saying " W E " explains everything im saying

[@MrBmw714]

@jonoessex England reacted way too late. How many were already dead, on both sides, by the time England responded to the very problems it created? Initially England tried to strong-arm the Irish. PIRA thrived as a result. Can't blame Irish youths for thinking the IRA was the only way after Ballmurphy, Bloody Sunday, etc. You say the IRA realized it couldn't win? England wasn't winning either. Nobody won. It wasn't a soccer game. Atleast today it is closer to being a fair democracy.

[@MrHopeTelevision]

anyone else thought that was richard dreyfuss in the thumbnail?

[@henrymagennis6518]

Four green fields one of Them in bondage.

[@jaygargano3490]

he lieing there is songs about shankill butchers and uda and stuff the only difference is the wolfe tones got culture so sum people are anti culture that a fact

[@SnackboxOToole]

Now now Skeeter, we don't want no trouble now.

[@SteveWatson-t1d]

Still no songs to support Omagh or Enniskillen. Shameful

[@grlfcgombeenhunter2897]

Finton is a toole.

[@alanmurphy6264]

Tones

[@retrorter89]

The Tone Deafs come across as bullys tbh

[@tkshots]

what a shambles of a debate...kenny was terrible

[@johnreddington3646]

up ireland 🇮🇪

[@liamhaddock4047]

Fintan O'Toole is just a Brit 😡

[@MarkRobertCuthbert]

Wolfe Tones Bru Na Boinne

[@thirteenfingers]

You know, they could all be saying the most insightful things ever said about the whole "situation" but I'm amazed I've got this far through the series as I can hardly hear a word said with them talking over eachother like that. Annoying.

[@SirAntoniousBlock]

Thats the Irish for you. 😂

[@MrWilman79]

I have opposed "them and us" mentality for years. I try and discourage you protestants from the trap of sectarianism. However, groups such as the Wolf Tones make this an impossible task. I enjoy friendships with many catholics and respect everyones freedom of speach. But daring to voice an alternative opinion almost got one guy in the audience lynched. freedom of speech should be for all Irish people, not just those who support(ed) PIRA. Thank you for your civility in disagreement.

[@jonoessex]

@bodisgod89 They are IRA supporters who don't even have the guts to admit it. Well done mate!

[@BeerNotPizza]

At 3:00 Brian is clearly lying when he says the Helicopter Song is not about the IRA. Put these words into the KZbin search box ' Helicopter Song - Wolfetones [10/37] '. Brian admits it.

[@petma8280]

"it's my show"

[@cameronoisin7806]

Finton’s a prod

[@fergalhughes165]

So was Wolfe Tone

[@johnmcardle6567]

Keltic song lol

[@kenshields7922]

and pat kenny wasnt so smug when rte sack him years later over his wages and now we have a propaganda new media who hired pat kenny tv3

[@daithikellaghan]

listen to it again, he said celtic symphony was not about the ira. everyone knows the helicopter song is bout the ira lol

[@gavinphelan79]

im proud to be irish as any1,but anytime the tones were caught out they used the old irish retort ''sure, hes a know all''.im a street musician and when i say i dont sing wolfe tones songs i get abuse towards me and accused of not being irish. yes,its a tragedy and a disgrace what the british did to our countrymen,but i hope that this country can move forward now instead of cursing anyone who doesnt want to shout out ''up the ra ''.

[@gavinphelan79]

correct ,i did say i dont play them.....how the hell can i play something i dont know.

[@joemccrone7462]

O'toole by name a west brit fintan the tool

[@longmemory1620]

the truth 2:29

[@aidikel852]

The worst interviewer. It is uncontrolled and a mess.

[@billkeane528]

fintan the quentisential gombeen