The Worst Change Niantic Has Ever Made?

[@MannyG93]

The thing that really bugs me is the price increase. Like I get what Niantic is trying to do by getting players to do more in person raids but with limiting remote raids to 5 a day there is no reason to increase the price of remote passes too.

[@danfong2847]

Exactly this ☝️.....5 a day limit, yeah fine and if you want to do more get your shoes on, get out there and have at it, but to almost double the price as well is just bonkers.

[@AniChatterAnime]

They raised the prices so they can still make money off of people since less people will buy the pass do to the fact that it’s limited to 5 passes they increased the raid passes price that way they can still make the money back from the people that stopped buying it

[@Eric-bf5ky]

@@danfong2847 as if you would go outside after 5 raids. stop lying and you maybe, just maybe, can make a point

[@danfong2847]

@@Eric-bf5ky Hi Eric, I can see reading isn't your strong point. Try again with your glasses on, find the line the where I referred to myself doing anything and then get back to me. Hopefully I'll still be awake...or care.

[@Eric-bf5ky]

@@danfong2847 no matter to who you refer, people like you that only do remote raids, would never go outside, thats why you do remote raids. so the increase makes perfect sense

[@flranger7433]

I dont think I’ve seen a company deliberately ignore its player base. We needed a uproar to keep double spin radius

[@JefferySteeves]

I want to boycott, and that is hard too, i love the game, not how we are being treated as consumers :S

[@ShadyRK9]

Niantic just nerfed Remote Raid Passes harder than Pokémon nerfed Gale Wings Talonflame! ☠️☠️☠️

[@garrettwadsworth1894]

I don't feel like they know what this will do to players i know the hoenn tour with raids were very bad because of remote raiding and spoofing but this will only make it worse and also they will lose so much money and customers maybe if they raise it to 20 remote raids per day the minimum people may stay but all I know if Niantic sees this please listen to community your customers if not you will lose players and money

[@Eric-bf5ky]

the playerbase actually wanted changes like that, even total removal of remote raiding. so stop talking about the player base because you have no clue about them

[@ron4538]

as trainertips told us uproar won't do anything. this company seriously doesn't care about us.

[@hazelmears]

For me it’s the price hike that hurts. When you can only earn 50 coins per day, a remote pass every 2 days felt ok. It’s now going to take 4. Nearly double the cost feels harsh. I understand the cap but 5 feels low. I am a rural player, having remote friends who would jump in remotely massively increased my enjoyment of the game. I feel now I will struggle to raid over 3 stars, and that kinda sucks.

[@jasminappleby779]

Completely agree with this. I’m completely f2p right now, and have been for the whole year. The most I’ve ever spent on the game has been event tickets at £10 a piece. I don’t ever buy coins, I just rely on being kicked out of gyms. This really hits for me.

[@susanmclare]

I’m the same. I’ve only ever managed to do raids over 3* remotely in all the years I’ve been playing. Truly I don’t know how any adult players are regularly managing to do in person raids- I know 3 friends who play locally and they rarely play, and extra-rarely do raids. The idea of me managing to organise getting all three of those people together to go stand on the street and do a raid with me is laughable. We have jobs, some have kids- if I was to start messaging these people to leave their kids or spouses at home to come play Pokémon with me they would think I was a maniac. I’ve even joined a local raid group but nobody just goes out and does raids of an evening. What am I gonna do, hand out cards with my trainer code outside the local school?? Are they tryna get me arrested? 😂🤦‍♀️

[@CrazynessIsGenetic]

Have you considered using apps like PokéRaid to host in-person raids and find 5 others raiding remotely to complete 5* raids or do people consider this to be 'cheating'? I've not used a remote raid since they disappeared from the weekly box and never feel like I'm missing out. That said I don't raid to get shinies, only to complete my Pokédex or to get a decent IV legendary if I want it for PVP or raiding.

[@Merennulli]

I really appreciate all the work you've done for the community, especially trying to be our voice to Niantic. I wanted to try to leave Pokemon GO on a positive note and thank those like you who put in so much work for so long. But you did ask for feedback. I'll still keep subscribed to you and Nick, but I cannot support a company that knowingly takes actions that harm the vulnerable and Niantic did that. For me it's a line that was crossed today, not something they can fix by just walking it back and promising to "listen" with their fingers crossed behind their back like the last far too many times. This was an objectively evil action by a privately held business that didn't have to do it. I have a friend who cannot leave his apartment due to a medical condition that left him disabled and the only thing he could do in the game was remote raid. And he's been depressed over this since it was first rumored. I have my own disability that limits my walking, but I can drive and walk on level ground for some distance, so I was doing in-person raiding in addition to heavy remote raid pass to reach gyms I couldn't get to and invite others in my community to raids they needed but couldn't get to due to work and family commitments. And I was joining in as "fire support" for raids when people needed help. Remote raids are the lifeblood of our community now and everyone is saying they can't afford them anymore. Niantic already killed our community meetups by dropping surprise events on top of every single one of them with no notice for 6+ months straight in 2018 in a way that was completely incompatible with actually doing things as a community. Now they're killing what's left. And while I have known all along that Pokemon GO wasn't their "real" business, this move has made it undeniable that we're being exploited for location data. With social media I can at least justify it with the old phrase "if you're not paying for the service, you're the product, not the customer" but with this I've spent literally thousands on coins and events paid directly to Niantic on top of thousands in travel expenses. And yet they clearly showed today I'm still the product, not the customer. In 2016 I bought coins explicitly for the purpose of supporting a company I thought was trying to do some good. Over time that morphed into just being a whale. But today they made me ashamed that I ever acted in support of them. Both here, and all the times I justified their actions as just following a myopic "vision". This isn't vision. This isn't "balancing the game" either since this creates a much wider rift between those in dense urban areas and those not. The only interpretation left for what we saw today is that they want more location data from us and don't care if they burn their most profitable game to the ground getting it.

[@tanbiralam8714]

I could understand!!! How you feel bro We play Pokemon because of the anime and how good it is... But ninatic is worst in managing Pokemon go.. Always take decision which benefits them.. well this would be massive downfall for the game My area have few gyms like 9-10 but all are quite far and nobody is interested in person raid or no one comes It's the case for most of the people Still ninatic tends to ignore it and impose changes which favour them I would be also quitting game soon Anyways felt bad for your friend Hope so he move on soon from this game and feel happy and good again And same to you..

[@aintez2bstieby83]

Niantic has told us a long time ago that it was going to nerf remote raids...sad ppl forget that and then get all upset because a company "finally" does what they said they were going to do.

[@Merennulli]

@@aintez2bstieby83 If someone tells you they'll break your arm, then you tell them not to, then they do it, then it's totally ok because they warned you in advance? The problem isn't the lack of warning, it's the harm.

[@aintez2bstieby83]

@Merennulli wow, your logic is a joke, just like your personality.... running a company and telling people what's to happen is 1000% different from threatening someone. BUT thank you, I can report you now for verbal assault 👍

[@aintez2bstieby83]

You get your 30 mins of exercise everyday?

[@kb2004]

Niantic collects location data which is a bigger revenue stream for them. The first thing that can be done en mass is turning off adventure sync. The second thing is to turn off the sponsored messages setting in the game. If the player base denied some of what is valuable to Niantic then you might stand a better chance of being heard.

[@heidiedwards7819]

🤯😱

[@steveleeart]

I just won’t raid much again 😊

[@XXLRebel]

Adventure sync only makes sure your location is on and connected. The only data they collect is where you have been. Don't see how that data is so valuable when Google already has this information about you. What is there for them to sell😅

[@CraigsOverijse]

@@XXLRebel what about scanning research? personally we always ensure we scan something like a bike rack or bus shelter nearby or the flowers nothing useful for them

[@Bisaa]

for me, this change is devastating. I have some medical conditions that keep me from going outside, playing with other trainers and going around raiding all day. The introduction of remote raid passes made me enjoy the game much more and helped me distract myself from the stuff that's been going on in the world and in my private life. it helped me progressing in the game to points i would never have achieved without using remote raid passes. the price increase is big and hurts a lot, but is not as bad as the restriction. If they really keep these changes, then they should also adjust the requirements of what you need to level up, progress in the game, level up pokemon you get from raids and rewards you get from remote raids.

[@JefferySteeves]

Broken foot and ankle, mobility reduced, totally understand ! We are not buying something like a loaf of bread that fuels a need, its RRP's, but they are FREE for Niantic to make, no need to gouge us too :S

[@AdrianFaulkner]

Check with local disability organisations whether this breaks your country's discrimination laws due to the extra cost and restrictions

[@Bisaa]

@@AdrianFaulkner this has nothing to do with discrimination. They have plans for their game and they change it however they want. I'm not getting discriminated bc prices get changed in a video game

[@Bisaa]

@@AdrianFaulkner and I'm not disabled. I'm just unable to go out all the time and play in big groups of people like niantic wants me to

[@GamingWithPatrick87]

This definitely would fall under discrimination

[@andywright8495]

So much for Niantic listening to their customers! I work long hours and live in a rural village. The global events are bug ridden. Elite raid day totally messed up. No make up day and radio silence. Time to switch to free play.

[@Simmerkiwi323]

They never listed to players what are you talking about

[@glenndoreensteffen1981]

195 coins for one and 525 for 3 is way too much in my opinion 😮😢 5 Remote Raids per Day is kinda sad😢 we built a online Community during Covid and this does not help to keep this Community alive

[@IS-nq7lf]

[@penemuel]

Niantic: build communities!! Also Niantic: No, not THAT KIND of community!

[@AceMathias]

My main concern with the changes is that instead of encouraging players back to in person raiding it just causes them to stop playing the game, due to the challenge in coordinating and finding players to raid with

[@christifey6480]

exactly, This wont bring people to in person raiding it will bring them to stop playing the game. This decision if not rolled back will kill the game.

[@Cometstarlight]

Right? I got excited today thinking I’ll have time to try and find a Lugia raid to do, but with remotes about to become scarce, I don’t think anyone is going to want to do them with me. Plus the in person community is dead and campfire isn’t rolled out so screw me, I guess.

[@thomashauge4798]

I honestly belive that Niantic at this point is straight up ready to lose a majority of their players and instead they are banking on new players that are willing to go outside just like everyone did when the game was new. However if they remove the remote passes altogether at this point they could potentially lose almost everyone so i belive this is a way to slowly make people rely less and less on them until they are just gone. And then every new player after that won’t even know remote raids ever even existed. I believe this is Niantics ultimate vision since they never really wanted remote raids in the first place. A part of me even believe that they regret ever adding them although that could have killed the game completely during the pandemic

[@rhymeswithorange6092]

@@thomashauge4798 They can regret all they want. But they are selling a product. Making it less enjoyable is a bone-head move for a _business._ Businesses, and products, exist for the customers, the ones that pay for them. Not for the owners. Business 101. They either don't understand how selling products works (very possible, they act like they don't), or they don't consider themselves a business, but a visionary collective bringing their own flavor of beauty to only the select of the world that can see the brilliance of there vision (long way from being able to rule this out either, might have to go with "and' instead of "or")

[@steveleeart]

@@Cometstarlight yea it got hard after first week of a new Pokémon in raids cause most people did them in the first week or two. If you left it later it was near impossible to get people even when using a local Facebook group chat with hundreds in it cause the hardcore players got plenty already.

[@ElizabethMotoe]

Poke Genie remote raiding is one of the major reasons I came back to pokemongo. Seeing it being limited like this is going to make those interactions near impossible.

[@pyro-plays]

I think PokeGenie and other apps like this are the main reason Niantic is putting these limits in place. The apps have made it TOO easy for people to just play from home and raid with complete strangers.

[@Django84]

Feel you.i use poke raid very often

[@stephenbridges928]

Same every event since I moved I was using this to.

[@ReynoldsGarrett]

It created a community that Niantic can’t stand.

[@NesikallPoGo]

These changes hugely affect the playability of the game for me, as someone who plays from a small country with a very inactive in person raid community and often weather which make going outside to play miserable. I raid a lot thanks to the remote raid passes. The passes are my only chance of catching and powering up legendary Pokémon. I have no problem spending money on the game as long as the prices are fair and I enjoy what I pay for but this is outrageous and I might put the game down for good even if it’s the last thing I want to do since I love the game but if I can’t play on the level I have gotten used to and enjoy I don’t see myself playing the game as much as I have been doing, my spending on the game will also stop. This is sad and I feel like these changes will further widen the unfair gap between people in big cities and those who are rural or live in less populated countries.

[@IS-nq7lf]

I totally agree

[@melnerud]

I agree. Live in the same kind of area. With the same problematik experience. And weather.

[@asseyez-vous6492]

You must live in Wales!

[@NesikallPoGo]

@@asseyez-vous6492 Iceland hahah

[@Andreamom001]

Urban Pokémon GO is totally different than Rural Pokémon GO. They should start treating them differently. Make rural raids easier, spawns increase, lures more effective, maybe even prices lower. All those things would make the game playable for rural players. It might even entice urban players to travel to play rural sometimes, getting people to GO meet more people and explore more.

[@MBellis1710]

Zoe, I think a critical thing you said is when you joined a raid with your patreon members and there is only 4 people in the lobby. THIS is what it is like for the general public and the only way to do 5 star raids is through remote raid passes. It is irrelevant whether people can walk to the gym or not if they have no one to raid with around them. I rely on discord and still need to remote raid because I can't travel 5 miles for a single raid. This is a big problem and another step in the wrong direction from Niantic. I know it is the way Niantic want us to play pokemon go but it may not be the way the general public want to play and trying to force people to do that will push people away, not get them to play more. The user experience is important and unless I see data from them showing more people in-person raid than remote, I won't be convinced this is a good idea.

[@stevelabute5080]

They clearly do not understand human nature people DRIVE to raids now they don't go out and explore SPOOFING will now become a regular part of the game

[@samporter2146]

I don't know how to find groups or wrestle with the internet, I play solo due to lack of interest in this expensive game. I agree with your comment wholeheartedly.

[@darrenlines6040]

❤

[@Russs37]

Agreed...I use discord to raid also. I go to the park & play but there's hardly anyone to help with 5* raids. Many players in the discord groups I'm in will boycott raiding once this change goes into effect. If no one can help with 5* raids in person or is unwilling to remote raid anymore how does this benefit players?

[@kukumalu255]

You drive 5 miles not for s single pokemon, but for a chance to catch it. It's always great possibility that it will flee

[@artisticwife4889]

I feel like Niantic isn't considering the bigger impacts to being part of a real community of players. Communities evolve and grow. Of the people I started playing with, 70% of us have moved (geographically) or have kids in college and still like to raid together via remote raid. This limit and cost increase will mean LESS game play with our communities. Local community isn't always enough to get the job done.

[@jenbowers1857]

Seriously good point. I only joined a pogo discord to raid remotely but it gave me so much more. That discord has some of the most supportive and friendly people I've ever met online and they mean a lot to me. That wouldn't have happened for me without remote raids. Like almost everything in the pandemic, it is impossible to "go back to how it was before". Only a new normal that makes sense and adapts to reality. This change is pretty ignorant of that.

[@MrJems821]

Local community where I live and my local group of players is almost never enough in person, because ppl are always all over the place at different times, haven said that we can usually complete most raids wirh remote help, Niantic is really dropping the ball with this one....as usual

[@Merennulli]

@@jenbowers1857 Exactly! My community invited people from Belgium, Netherlands, England and Australia into our community for remote raids and they have greatly enhanced the experience. It's amazing having connections around the world because you can help more people. Whether that's help in raids, or even unexpected things. I ran into someone on Twitter in the replies to PokemonGOHub's post who couldn't find a local community to play with and was...let's call it upset 😬. Over about an hour I was able to find him a community in Belgium to join, parks to try for a nest he needed, and within a few hours one of our friends from across the border in the Netherlands gave me a locally more well-used tool for nests. He went from frustrated and angry to excited and grateful because we were able to make international connections thanks to the friends we made through remote raiding. And it was a wonderful experience being able to help someone connect with their local community that I otherwise would have no idea even existed.

[@dksun887]

@@jenbowers1857 Agree and very well said!

[@sigisoltau6073]

Couldn't have said it better. Plus, many don't have a community to rely on.

[@landofnor]

I work on a ship for half the year and this news is devastating, it was the only way I could raid whilst at sea. At home I live rural and there's no way to do legendary raids without remote assistance

[@007Tydog]

During COVID, my mom and I made so many online friends through remote raiding when we were all on lock down. Those have become real friendships. Limiting access to remote raids restricts our online communities. My mom has cancer and mostly bed ridden these days. Like a lot of older players, she can’t do PVP/GBL - it too complicated. Not being able to remote raid will strongly negatively impact those with disabilities that have already limited access to the game.

[@Cometstarlight]

This affects me greatly. I haven't been able to attend Wednesday raids since college when I was surrounded by people who played all the time. Remote raids have helped me stay up to date with Megas and legendaries. I've been able to invite friends in Japan to raids and vice versa, without even communicating with them. They see I'm online, they toss me an invite. It's really nice of them, honestly. As for in person raids--those largely died when the pandemic rolled around. The only time I see people playing POGO are during Community Days, but more often than not, there are raid pokemon that don't coincide on those days and I'll miss them. Niantic needs to understand that this won't bring pre-pandemic raids back. *Nothing* will ever bring those back, Niantic. They're huffing copium REAL hard if they think this is going to help their bottom line. Multiple people have already stated that they're done and this was the last straw. The rest of them are turning off adventure sync and switching to f2p. It just hurts for as much time as all of us have put into this game and our community, Niantic doesn't care about us. They made that abundantly clear during GO Fest 2022 and even more so now. I just feel like someone spat in my face and then tried to tell me its raining. The disrespect is real.

[@stuartclaw]

I can understand the limits of 5 a day but increasing the price just seems a bit mean. I understand the drive to get people outside but when I do that it is more for the spawns and not the raids, as I rely on remotes to help me find a group for raids when I cannot get one locally. TBH I would rather Niantic work on making the events work as planned when they are deployed and leave remote raids alone.

[@JefferySteeves]

Our gangs in Montreal do meet, while it is warm, that is 6ish months a year, so as fun as it is to go out and meet, we can not always do it. Not too mention, with work schedules etc.. at times i cant do my raid hour, but thanks to ppl in the west, i make up for it, with a limit and a cost increase, I can not afford to have fun?? WTF ? :S

[@fahimrahman7675]

I remote raid a lot and go out a lot too. The issue is that I’m not always able to go for a walk for the sole purpose of raids. When I go out I’m looking for wild spawns or hatching eggs and I do any raid that I happen to pass by (which in my area, I’m lucky if I even see one). People have lives, and I think niantic’s vision is unsustainable and many of the the players can’t play the way they want. We’ve shown them what works and they don’t like it. Insufferable behaviour from them honestly

[@stevelabute5080]

They clearly do not understand human nature people DRIVE to raids now they don't go out and explore SPOOFING will now become a regular part of the game

[@milkyrafael5860]

Since they'll make less sales due to the limit, they increased the price not to lose profit.

[@stevelabute5080]

They are a software company not a social agency ,its their job to create a gaming experience players enjoy . Punishing your paying customer for not doing what you want is never as effective as incentivizing them to do so. They keep shooting themselves in the foot , recently they stopped rewarding poffins to players whom didn't scan pokestops to their liking , summarily players stop scanning pokestops . If they gave a better reward they would get more scans

[@shinx720]

Hi Zoe! I think this is going to really hurt rural, disabled, and newer players, especially with regards to pvp, which has been historically a way for these players to still connect with the game without a local community. Niantic discontinued the Cups that didn’t require XL candies, because they said they are far more accessible now. With the 5 remote raid pass limit + 1 daily in person raid, that comes out to 6 raids a day, with legendaries giving a min of 3 XL candies when you catch them. Raid rotations are roughly a week, so if you use 6 raids * 7days * 3 XLs, you only get 126 out of the 296 you need to max it out for the master league. If you add 2 additional XLs for raiding in person, that comes out to 126 + 14 = 140, still nowhere near enough to build a legendary for the master league. Thank you so much for your advice and for using your platform to give everyone a voice!!

[@shinx720]

Things Niantic could do to remedy these changes: 1. Bring classic cups back! - Master league and Ultra League cups that don’t require any XL candies, essentially level 40 cups 2. Increase the remote raid limit/provide accomodations specifically for rural/disabled players : could also be in the form of a free daily raid pass for these trainers! 3. Tailor the remote raid pass limit to the ‘bulkiness’ of the 5*/mega raid bosses: Tornadus, for instance, can be taken down by 2-3 trainers pretty easily with level 40 counters, while lugia can be a struggle for even 4-5 players, and mega latios/latias/the primals required 8+ trainers with level 40 counters. Depending on the raid boss that’s in rotation, they could set a limit that would help trainers actually be able to take down the raid boss, especially for those without large local communities. 4. Increase the frequency and reliability of reward drops from in person raids, rather than only XL candy: incentivizes raiding in person, while poffins, stardust, and rare candies/XLs help newer players ‘catch up’ to older ones in terms of their ability to max out legendaries/meta relevant pokemon.

[@pyro-plays]

If you are able to use your free daily pass, then you can use premium passes, too, and there's no limit with those. And with Campfire available to everyone soon (?), it will be easier than ever to find local people to raid with.

[@NiranjanKumar-fi2zy]

Can you accept your friend

[@seanchen9265]

@@shinx720 they really shouldn't limit daily remote raid if that's the price. That's pure greedy on their side as well.

[@shinx720]

@@seanchen9265 I completely agree, these are just suggestions to limit the negative impact on the trainers who really rely on remote raids and don’t have any other options, especially since it doesn’t really seem like niantic is willing to undo this

[@tanyar9795]

I find it interesting that niantic have said that it's to keep us enjoying the game long term, when the community response to the changes have often resulted in less people playing the game, or being free to play. Doesn't really feel like good decisions to increase the lifespan of the game by annoying the actual players.

[@nickolaspagano9171]

It’s frustrating when the gaming community is being shut down by a couple of executives who don’t really care about pokemon but are more invested in AR and playing in person. This game means alot to people and that should be taken into consideration

[@claudiel4660]

I think one of the sad things that may seem frivolous is that I love joining remote raids in far off locations and I'll miss that. I thought it would go to 150 and 400.

[@CyberSlayr]

I think the 5 a day limit will hinder hard core players. It shouldn't affect me much, but the price is a huge jump, and I wish it could have been more in line with your guess.

[@okarnillokarnill975]

This too!! I love helping my overseas friends when they can't usually get enough local raiders to take down. This change means two major changes for me. No chasing the latest shiny all over the world until I get it, and no hopping in friends raids if there's any chance that they and I will lose their passes due to failing to defeat the boss. I'm rural and although I travel about a lot I rarely see in person raids to join. Our local raid group, well half the players stopped playing a number of years ago. So basically I will be raiding even less than normal, and I STILL rack up at or over 50km a week distance, so it's not 'not going out'

[@fahimrahman7675]

@@CyberSlayr I agree. I could live with 5 remote raids a day (I do a lot but not daily) but the price hike is an absolute insult. I think I’ll return to my sword and shield games to do the Dynamax adventures to get my shiny legendaries. Pogo legendary raids were fun while they lasted 😞

[@CyberSlayr]

@@fahimrahman7675 I totally agree that the price hike is an insult. The price hikes they've been doing recently have been an insult. All the boxes have increased exponentially. I understand inflation. I honestly do. But these are virtual goods that are in a video game. That I do not believe should have increased this much. The boxes, and the remote raid passes. They would sell way more, if they just left the prices low. This is what I don't understand, why they don't understand. Leave the prices low. And sell more. Because they're virtual goods. Not physical goods that have any manufacturing costs whatsoever.

[@fahimrahman7675]

@@CyberSlayr exactly, it’s all absurd

[@pnwperry]

I’m in the U.S military and unfortunately don’t have a lot of time to play this game due to my mission hours. Remote raids were very useful for me when I was in desert and having nothing to do except mission, working out, eating, sleeping and raiding on my off time in my trailer 😂. I hope Niantic will see how it will effect people and hopefully they can make the right changes.

[@benji24palomar]

Thank you for your service

[@yutomaikeru]

Huge respect to you! Thank you for what you do!

[@beverlyrussell8034]

Thanks for serving your country!

[@tvbmadness]

If they are nerfing remote raids, I do hope that they bring back legendary Pokémon in research breakthrough for those that cannot raid in person.

[@evanrichards5330]

I agree that would be great

[@beverlyrussell8034]

That would be some relief. Not enough, in my opinion.

[@roseymacdoo]

That’s a great idea

[@jpnlvr]

I absolutely love the ‘No player left behind’ take here. I hope someone can take that idea and run with it🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@fuzzytattoo]

I agree. It’s refreshing to hear a KZbinr talk about the people who actually need remotes to play at a standard level of gameplay. Truly understanding that and looking to and asking for ways to help. Just feels like Niantic is really turning it’s back on them completely. And it’s a real shame.

[@eerovalimaa7004]

I love it too but it pisses me off Niantic leaves it up to the player base to look after their customers and provide base level of inclusion and thoughtfulness which they’re themselves wrecking with this decision.

[@fuzzytattoo]

@@eerovalimaa7004 truth.

[@supermario200]

Zoe has always been a "no player left behind" creator, unfortunately other creators are not as empathetic.

[@jpnlvr]

@@eerovalimaa7004 I do agree that it would be best if Niantic took inclusion more seriously. I think that’s what they’re trying to do with Campfire. However, that still will be mostly player driven, just a better tool for communicating with fringe players.

[@hylianhero1921]

I've been playing since 2018 and remotes were such a game changer. They saved me from having to rely on research breakthroughs since I'm rural. I definitely think it's gonna go back to those days and that sucks because I've wanted to do legendary raids and I already have a hard enough time with 6.

[@stueeey]

I mainly do in person raids but I'll definitely be hit by this, most the raids I do only have enough players due to remote raiders so trying to find a good lobby is gonna be a nightmare

[@josh270489]

Niantic have seriously dropped the ball on this one. Remote passes are great and allow us to play with others round the world; a thing that niantic clearly want us to do with things like the scatterbug mechanic and regional raids with the lake trio. dont take away from those who require the remote raid passes. incentivise people to raid in person. give extras to people who can raid in person. but DONT take away from those who cant

[@dukeburden7588]

Honestly, this is the same problem that companies have with Remote work. The pandemic was a huge catalyst for changing the way we do things but there are companies out there that cannot stand that the same things we do in an office(or in game) can be done in a different way. They're willing to throw accessibility out the window to make people do what they want, how they want. I'm not surprised. It's just disgusting and disappointing. We can do so much remote but we're being forced to do it their way. That being said, no one has to play... But if we want to, it's their way or get out.

[@gemmavarney149]

In our community we can send raid invites if we see that a person is available (green). However sometimes we send a raid invite only to learn later that they were already in a raid. It would be great if Niantic could update the color of a person is already in a current raid so we don’t waste a raid invite to someone who is already in a raid.

[@FSMUnicorn]

Yep. Basically this point can be made broader - as mentioned in the video, Campfire should have been made available to everyone before this. The same goes for QoL updates in a whole heap of ways that could help those struggling to find enough people to take down the raid boss with them - ways of indicating you're in GBL or daily incense or... a whole heap of other things that could prevent you from helping and joining a raid... something to indicate you're OUT of remote raid passes for the day so even though you're online you can't help. Etc. The infrastructure needs to be there before drastic changes are made.

[@donnakebab9055]

I’ve made a similar comment several times on different creators channels. I support this 100%.

[@FSMUnicorn]

Oh, and talking of infrastructure, given how much of an omnishambles Elite Raids have been - Niantic needs to get their house in order before burning the one feature that was working. We're just going to get more repeats of Regidrago with people making huge efforts to travel for in person raids, only to find they can't do them.

[@MrAlphabetAssassin]

Would be nice if it added a status like it does with Xbox and various other things. Online but then add in what sense - in a raid, playing GBL and just things where they won't see the invite or be able to join. Or if you could mark yourself as online but accepting invites or not accepting invites and which Pokémon you're joining invites for 🤷‍♂️

[@heidiedwards7819]

Aaand even if they show “online” they may not have a remote pass and can join (so why show yourself “online”?… because maybe you are available for PVP?)

[@taylordrummond6058]

This is the way to handle a change like this. Actively looking for opinions and hoping for change. Other KZbinrs connected to Niantic telling us it’s futile to be outraged is really disappointing.

[@JustinAngel]

Key words "connected to Niantic" AKA in Niantic's pockets. You'll notice a massive difference between content from those creators and ones that aren't on matters like this.

[@stephenbridges928]

@@JustinAngel they’re scared asf to lose sponsorship and views and subscriptions on KZbin basically they care but not enough to help us.

[@awarren06]

Those are the ones terrified their content is about to be irrelevant, imo.

[@Ekybob_Plays]

LOVE the hair, Zoë! "People were enjoying the game in ways we did not intend. LET'S PUT A STOP TO THAT" Absolutely awful decision. It will not revive rural/local communities. It is such a blow to disabled players. There's been such a nice remote community built up with streamers hosting raids and this is hurt. The cost change is overly prohibitive. Even if I can get people together to raid locally in our small town, we can be ruined if the raids we're looking for simply don't spawn at convenient times/locations; remote raiding counteracted this. Considering the candy cost of competing in GBL (Master League, hello!), how is a player supposed to get the resources they need to max something out during its raid rotation? Oh yeah, let's also think about how broken raiding has been with freezes, crashes, and getting kicked out, in recent months!

[@littleai6073]

The price of the raid remote passes wouldn't be bad if we get more like coins from gyms.

[@milkyrafael5860]

then what's the point of increasing price anyway? They want to keep same profit, while selling less because of the limit.

[@labratkat]

Very good point!

[@MrDotz77]

4 days of gym coins for one pass. That's ridiculous lol

[@steelrz44]

I’ve been here since 2020. I’ve been a passionate member of the game. Both a raider and hoster. I travel for work, and have limited time to play. This change, primarily the limit per day is a death swing for me. I want to help players be successful for their numbers and their raids. But personally, my motivation for raiding is a combination of XL candy farming and PVP. Of course the community, but I don’t have the luxury of living by, or being somewhere where I have access to a community. This channel has been my community. If we are limited in helping eachother, and meeting our own needs to justify paying money, and playing this game. I am worried I will have to stop by necessity alone. I hope they change it, if they don’t. I will have to make some tough decisions.

[@lemongeorgelime]

I think even just making progress in the game is incredibly shunted. Like it’s hard enough to get enough candy to power up certain legendaries, and get the xp to level up. Remote raids was the way to even conceive of making those milestones, now it’s that much harder to get powerful teams and achieve manageable goals - making the tangible joy of progress effectively so few and far between. I live in NYC and I still rarely have a local raid with enough people, outside of like Central Park or tourist areas.

[@rawexplorer8373]

Lol NY is a dream place for PG players. Did so many raids there

[@lemongeorgelime]

@@rawexplorer8373 it’s great in a lot of ways, but it’s a double edged sword. If you’re not in like massive hub spots (usually extremely expensive areas to live) you’ll find there’s so many gyms with raids and in that way it’s hard to get one lobby of 5 organically from just showing up. In Brooklyn and Harlem it was rare to ever walk up to gym and have anyone in person. So you end up needing to invite people anyway just to get enough. Sure on big event days it can be easier..but my points stands - the system doesn’t even work effectively here, so imagine for people from suburban or rural areas.

[@rawexplorer8373]

@@lemongeorgelime here in the Czech Republic the only place where you can “organically” accumulate enough people for a raid is the Prague city centre. And not always. Therefore if you live in a village 3 hours away you are in a disadvantage 🤷🏻‍♀️ not only there arent a lot of trainers around but also not a lot of gyms so earning poke coins is difficult too

[@rawexplorer8373]

@@lemongeorgelime in order to get people to raid more in person they should have perhaps rather increased the amount of rewards after defeating a boss in person

[@denisecarrera5396]

I have enjoyed raiding in foreign countries and increasing friendship with those people. This is a GLOBAL game and while I understand people in cities might be able to do many raids in person, I basically do my raiding on Wednesdays and rarely any other night since I work during the day. I will be playing less because of this.

[@noellerogers5662]

This really blows. I live on an island...sometimes we have tourists and a lot of people so even though we don't have a huge number of gyms at times you can get a full raid going. But at other times NO WAY. The great thing has been since we do get seasonal visitors I have been able to make friends with some of them, they will come to the island for a month every year and we can play together in person but for the other 11 months we rely on playing remotely. Its such a great feeling to join a battle with someone I haven't seen in months and it sucks that is going away. In addition its getting more expensive. Not to mention that I am about to have my third back surgery and remote raids were such a blessing after my last surgery. It gave me a way to keep in touch with my friends and honestly it helped me forget the pain I was feeling. It has been a huge motivator for me to do more- push myself harder. I just wish they would look at this in a bit of a different way. If you want people to play the game in a certain way more then provide incentives don't punish people for playing the game a certain way - that just leaves your player base with a negative feeling from the game. I don't need to play a game to get punished- there are plenty of free punishments. If they would offer things like higher shiny odds for in person players or double stardust for completing an in-person raid I think they would see their player base get out more. At least then those who do play remotely aren't left out and when life throws us a curve ball -like back surgery that takes a full year to heal from- at least we can stay involved in the game and play with our friends. Thanks for all you do Zoe. Noellecfh Amelia Island, Florida

[@poultonpawtrol]

That’s raiding over for me. Can’t afford the new price, can’t raid in person for legendary raids etc. can’t expect my friends in game to spend their hard earned money to help me complete a raid. I’d never won a 5* raid until remote passes, it completely transformed my game being someone who lives and works rural and often is at for for 30 hours plus with no opportunity to get out to play Pokemon. Bring back 2016 pogo. I loved that game and I couldn’t even get 3G on my phone, I literally played on Wi-Fi only 😢

[@nateaubrey7232]

In my opinion, I think the main drawback from this announcement is the accessibility issues it will cause, for both rural players and those who are unable to attend raids in person. By placing the limit on the number of remote raids players can do, it will result in players being very selective as to what raids they join remotely, which will likely hinder those who rely on remote raiding to be able to complete a raid and may miss out on new raid bosses and shinies as a result. In addition, by increasing the price of remote raid passes, it also makes them less accessible to players as they have to either wait to earn enough coins to purchase a pass, hope to get a free one from the weekly research breakthrough or spend more real money to get the coins required. I think that the community would have benefitted if the limit was at 10 (which I think is a fairer amount of remote raids to cap at), and remote passes were 150 for 1 and 400 for 3, so still a limit in place and a price increase, but not to the extent of the announcement. With this announcement, Niantic needs to also ensure that in person events and raids are working as expected and not broken, as if we continue to have repeats of the Regidrago Elite Raid Day and those issues in future updates, it will only continue to cause unrest and unhappiness amongst the community as a whole. I also hope that an update to come with this announcement, is the ability for players to see who is still able to join a raid remotely and not allow people to be invited if they have reached the 5 remote raid limit for that day. The one benefit from this announcement, is that with the limit of remote raiding per day, it will result in players who maybe spend a significant amount of real money on buying remote raid passes now being unable to do so, which will be financially beneficial. It also means less money for Niantic, but this is the decision they have made so that is on them if their revenue drops drastically from this announcement.

[@ElizabethMotoe]

Legendary and Mega raids are not possible for most people without remote raiding. Look at the elite raids and how many people had no chance in participating. Now that's going to be most of the normal raids as well.

[@scenesofalife]

The game has lost me anyway. They've overdone it with everything: countless popups when you log in, special events that have degenerated into mass instead of class, forced updates when you're on the go. When playing a game, I want to have fun and not feel like I have to work.

[@alilinsane]

The problem with this tone deaf decision by Niantic is they are not honest and upfront about their intentions and our goals. The goal isn’t to promote community and exercise, it’s to collect and sell our data. It is the not so hidden truth, wrapping poop in a bow doesn’t make it a present. That being said. There are so many meaningful changes that they can make to balance the game. But the only “buff” in this sea of nerfs is a vague bonus who’s numbers are not disclosed or verified until after the player spends the time, energy, and money to attend a raid in person. How many times have bonuses been absent in an oopsie moment by Niantic. Especially by those faithful kiwi beta testers in New Zealand. Why not remove remote raid accessibility in densely populated areas while leaving it unnerfed in rural areas. Why do Rural players get shafted? I lived rurally for a little while this year and it was awful with Pogo! No spawns, no items, the only thing to do was PVP or remote raiding. Why isn’t the map updated regularly or spawns dispersed often. Why are we still using OSM data from 2021? My parents community built in late 2021 doesn’t even have a street or spawns. Why would anyone want to play there?? This “solution” to balance the game actually just skews the favor back to densely populated areas and to spoofers. The pandemic didn’t make everyone lazy, it reprioritized things for people. Accessibility was boosted and the notion of living life the way you preferred became commonplace instead of a luxury. Now we’re seeing the result of people longing for the way things were instead of adapting to the way things are or the way things can move forward. I never raided prepandemic. My work schedule got me home at 6pm and during those early days raids ended around then. I could only meet up with people on the weekend and maybe catch a raid. Back then raids were a boss for a month. People raided early and the rest of the month was hard to coordinate. The result was I only did maybe 1 or 2 raids a month. That’s what Niantic wants me to go back to. The introduction of remote raids allowed me to start playing when I wanted. Now I’ll login late at night and do some raids in Japan. During the raid hours I’ll send raids to friends across the country because they missed their chance at raid hour. I spent a lot of money on the game. That’s over now. I’m not a fan of the limit to remote raids, but I don’t mind it TOO much. I just think, like you said, it just deprioritizes helping others out and that’s not good. We should be doing more to help new and low level players. Not excluding them. My brother and nephew just got into the game and I help them out with random raids 5 states and 1000miles away. They rely on me effectively soloing the Pokémon so they have a chance of catching it. Should I really have to be thinking of skipping helping my nephew so that I have a chance to catch a potential shiny legendary? Niantic has made it clear they don’t want remote raiding to be the primary way people engage with the game. But before remote raids were a thing we used to get Legendary Pokémon guaranteed in research breakthroughs weekly. We used to get guaranteed encounters in PVP. With remote raids that was redundant and cast aside. Why aren’t those brought back to balance this shift FOR the players not at the expense of the player base. Why is it our responsibility to handle all the nerfs and just keep on keeping on? I feel so incredibly disrespected and disregarded. If Niantic wanted to, they could make this game incredible to play in person. The problem is they don’t put in the work to do so. In game events are buggy and broken. Their communication is lackluster. Until they put work into making the game enjoyable, I’ll be putting the game down. The community has given many different ways of engaging with the real world and POIs in really fun ways, but those fall on deaf ears. But god forbid we play the game in one convenient aspect. I’m sorry that this decision will unfortunately impact you and the other poketubers income. You’ve dedicated a lot of your time to the game and have brought positive meaningful change and you’re so appreciated by us. But many people will be leaving the game which hurts you and I’m not a fan of that.

[@samporter2146]

Great comment, Thanks.

[@josephcollins7899]

Here is what I have to say about this change. Before remote raids got introduced in 2020 I did not do a single 5 star raid boss. Not because I did not want too (Because I did!), it was just impossible for me to do one. I live in a more rural spot and not to many people play in my area. So I never had the fire power to actually complete a tier 5 raid since most Legendaries requires 5 or more Trainers to take it out. When Remote raid passes were introduced in the game it changed the way I played. And I like to think for the better. I was no longer watching other players in cities enjoy the game the way I wanted to. I was finally able to enjoy it the same way. It put me on an equal playing ground. Now that this change is going ahead and the full details have been revealed. In my honest opinion the change that I think is far unnecessary is the price increase for the passes. If we're only able to remote raid 5 times a day then why double the price? I feel like that is absurd. All the other changes that were listed I can live with and understand. And changing in person passes to be cheaper in the bundle is a decent start but Niantic has to do more than that. There are lots of ways they can do this. A couple of examples of how they can incentivize in person raiding is to make the base IV's of in person raid 11-11-11 instead of 10-10-10. This will push people to raid in person if they want to have a higher chance of getting better Pokemon. Another example is if (And they probably wont do) is to perhaps change the shiny rate to be slightly increased. Maybe not for Legendaries since they have a high shiny rate as it is but for all the other tiers of raids. Personally I don't see myself spending any money on the game anymore except for event tickets such as GO Fest.

[@christineclarke8989]

I felt so seen and supported during covid as everyone had to live like me, it actually gave me a sense of being part of the community which I didn't have before. Back to becoming isolated again I guess :(

[@gabrielberilli6581]

For me the limit of 5 raids per day is an incredible update, it prevents Pay to win in Master League but still is enough to get some Raids and Candys and shiny checks, but increasing the value of the remote raid passe is basically saying don't use remote raids unless you don't have any other option and if you don't have the money you are screwed. And is not like Rural players get coins for putting pokemon in gyms.

[@TheWizardOfKoz88]

As someone with health issues, young children, is on a budget, and lives in an area where it's too cold to be outside 6 months out of the year, this is going to pretty much stop me from raiding entirely. Unfortunately, Niantic has proven time and again that people like me don't matter and are not valuable to them. I just don't see a reason to continue playing this game if they're going to so obviously show me they don't care.

[@grunhoag859]

I live in a rural area of Florida. Yesterday I wanted to do a mega raid. Through Discord I was able to get a local player to walk twenty minutes to join me. We were then able to remote invite a friend from Australia to join us and complete the raid.

[@Miirasha]

for me personally this is such a huge bummer.. I suffer from a disabling illness so I can't go out and do raids in person, or it is super rare that I can leave the house to go and join raids.. it was such a fantastic thing for me when the remote raid passes got added to the game cause I could finally feel a part of the community even during the really bad times being homestuck for months and months, even a whole year 🙁 so this is some real bad news to someone like me, who loves to raid but now will be limited. I also live in a very rural area so things are already very difficult when it comes to enjoying the game..

[@briannahanover9299]

I’m with you, homie. I’ve played since day 1, while disabled, and was able to make it work, but being in the hospital for 8 months, the FOMO hit and I stopped going on every day (Halloween stuff, ect). Then, Covid changes allowed the ONE STOP NEAR MY HOSPITAL ROOM TO REACH ME with the radius increase. Just to spin that one stop was amazing. I started playing again, got into the remote raid scene, and feel like an actual player of this game. Sucks to suck. Also my home outside of the hospital is extremely rural, so I am fighting from every side here. Crazy

[@MrDotz77]

In the same boat. Didn’t play for a number of years because I couldn’t really go out and play. Remote raids got me back into the game cos I could actually play and still be part of groups on Facebook/WhatsApp/discord. They really didn’t consider disabled/rural players at all

[@cmrios09]

They should increase the gym coin cap per day to off set the inflation of the remote raid passes. At the new rate (195 coins per 1 remote pass) it would take at least 4 days (50 coins per day) to collect enough coins from gyms for one remote pass!

[@duncankushnir4855]

100 coins per day and some free remote raid passes with research and events would offset this to a very large degree I think.

[@heathervillalovos6098]

This! Yes!

[@Miguel-Red]

JAJAJAJAJAJAJJAJAJAJAJAJA Niantic reaction to this They were going to add poke coins to mision and stuff But retracted because "money money"

[@mi_jacks]

the problem is why they must increase the price, if they just set limitation use rrp only, I think it will no problem

[@krrbyreads]

If they're going to limit raids, then they also need to make the catches guaranteed.

[@doublecomplex4741]

yeah! - and also get your pass back if your group fails to defeat it in the time limit

[@YanuarYudha]

@@doublecomplex4741 thats good idea.

[@richardchew3857]

On raid day (wed) my wife and I receive numerous invites from friends in England and Asia. We then go to a local restaurant for our raid hour and meet up with other players to do an additional 8 or so remote raids. Obviously this will no longer be possible, something will have to give. None of the players in our circle are rural so we will survive albeit with fewer raids completed and fewer interactions with other players. My wife does not walk steadily so we won't be doing as many raids in the future. So fewer player interactions and less money spent. Ten remote raid passes would have kept us going or unlimited during raid hour or a weekly limit.

[@_Dreadd]

I haven’t heard anyone say anything like this, but I have an idea for how to fix raiding for rural players. If you live in a rural or remote area, I feel like it would be good idea to link the raid lobbies of nearby gyms. So you can join a raid from the gym near you, and be put in a lobby with people at another gym nearby that is also considered remote area. It would incentivize people to go to these raids knowing that there’s a better chance they’d get a more full lobby.

[@Andreamom001]

This would work during raid hour, but the chances of coordinating gyms with the same kind of raid starting at the same times that both have trainers wanting to raid seems challenging. Plus, how would anyone even know to enter if there is a 0 on the counter in the local gym? How would they know if there’s another gym out of sight with the same type of raid that also has someone wanting to raid?

[@ic4192]

@@Andreamom001 this only highlights more issues with the raiding system itself, not issues with the solution they gave

[@_Dreadd]

@@ic4192 I 100% agree that the raid system is not as efficient as it could be. I think the raid could have a special label that indicates that it’s a linked raid lobby, but I don’t know how they would fix the 0 ppl counter on the raid. Maybe more development in the partner app campfire could let ppl plan for that

[@Miklo_1]

Niantic says that it’s not in their best interest… what irritates me is that they don’t think about the player base interest. They don’t care about what makes it fun for us. I’m sure many players feel the same that raids and catching the raid bosses is the funnest thing about Pokémon GO. Now they are taking that away by doubling the price. If they care about us getting out the house, then they should give us three in person raid passes every day. Another fix, would be to give us coins when we raid. For instants, the hardest hitters should get more coins. That incentivizes us to be competitive. As of now, they have no rewards for players that have the strongest Pokémon, and give them the best move sets and power them up so that they are stronger. Someone at level 25 with cheap Pokémon can join a raid and get the same raid boss. There is no incentive to play the game.

[@annawhitepdx]

I am disabled and don’t drive. You should not have to be fast to play this game, and I have been complaining about the daily incense since last summer. How can we ‘pay attention to our surroundings’ when we are forced to speed walk in a straight line with blinder-like attention to our phones because we are trying to accurately catch dozens of Pokémon in 15 minutes without using quick catch? Ridiculous for anyone, not just disabled. This new change means I’ll spend nothing on this game, if I don’t quit altogether.

[@gabrielfavalora5532]

I personally feel that remote raids add to the experience of playing the game and don’t really have many downsides, I still feel rewarded for going outside and playing in person. If niantic want people to go outside more then rewarding players for doing that would be more productive that pushing players for not

[@luissergio7073]

exato, compartilhamos do mesmo pensamento

[@panosmall4912]

If niantic wants this feature to be Successful they need to make all Pokémon that come from remote raids 💯 percent obtainable. One for one

[@DeborahShowalter26]

Zoë, you are spot on in your concerns, and i share your shock.1. I am a rural disabled player, these changes will definitely leave me out, and i would suggest that many i know will just quit playing or go from active daily players to casual players. 2. The cost rise is unforgivable... this is a price that also limits those of us who need remotes. Frankly, i feel like niantic doesn't want disabled people to play because these changes target most disabled players. Im a level 50 i am a serious player, who is now seriously considering, do I need to discontinue playng. NIANTIC doesn't seem to want me here, and even though i have worked to foster new players, family and friends how can I promote A NIANTIC game when all they do is for their good and not that of the rural and or disabled community?

[@IS-nq7lf]

[@ShadowNight-kt3dz]

I live in a very rural place, and NO ONE plays Pokémon go around. Poke stops aren’t even very common around me. This change is really discouraging to me

[@brianb.8028]

The idea (pre-COVID PoGo where big groups showed up and took down a tough boss) is not that bad, but the way they’re going about it is horrible. Instead of making remote raiding almost unusable, why not just give massive buffs to in person raids. I get it, you want people to go out and move and get AR data, but if you made going out a way better option, but letting remote be a viable option at the same time, it just works so much better. I know they know some people can’t get out, whether it be work ( I work during raid hours so can’t go to in person raids then, for example) or medical condition or many other reasons. Even for me, I get out when I can and do raids, but to have people join me for things like a Mega Lati that’s pretty tanky, I just won’t be able to have enough people join during times like that. I don’t get it.

[@jaysonkang]

I just came back to Pokémon go last month from a long break and was having an amazing experience with remote raids 😔 I live pretty far from the city and it was awesome I could finally get all the Megas I missed and show them off to my family. Pretty disappointing to say the least, but the way the community has banded together already is nice to see and gives me hope that pogo will do better and right by us. Amazing discussion vid and thank you for putting it up so quick!

[@pokanewb3451]

As someone who lives in literally the middle of no where, this takes the mick. I also have medical conditions with my knees which makes it hard to walk. If it’s a 1 in 20 shiny chance it’s gonna take me technically atleast 4 days to get one

[@exohdaniellea]

I love remote raids because of the convenience of being able to join it whenever I want. I don't like having the pressure of doing it by a certain time or racing to go somewhere when I'm a full time worker. Pokemon go should be fun, and not a chore. Remote raids are great for shiny hunting/IV hunting/rewards which is great for candy rewards, XP grind, etc. Niantic is trying to be altruistic with this approach by having a sense of "community" but I think they're going to alienate a lot of the players that heavily invest in this game. In person communities will be fine but the global online community is definitely going to take the hit. Not even the console Pokemon games limit raids. I guess we'll see! Thanks for sharing your thoughts zoë ❤

[@bass49man]

The idea of a "level playing field" ridiculous as it was is long gone. Only the spoofers manage a level playing field and they don't need remote raid passes.

[@bamfnightcrawler]

Thanks for your feedback regarding your feelings toward these changes. Unfortunately, I have no positive emotions about Niantic's decision. They created the Elite Raids to manipulate us into participating in local raids. The raids were from Hoopa Unbound and Regidrago. One pokemon was originally behind paid research and another was a new Pokemon release. These are the raids they used to obtain the data needed to kill the remote raids. They manipulated us for their own goals.

[@bluezayyad1296]

That’s a mistake niantic, Zoe please speak up to them, remote passes did wonders, I spend 30-50 remotes a day, I think I’m done with niantic, not all of us have nice weather all year round where we can walk, I live in Chicago it’s cold 8 months out of the year , I can’t walk or drive all the time to gyms . Geez niantic one step forward 2 steps back like always

[@AveryCoursey-bi3lp]

i started playing this game because my younger brother told me about remote raid passes and it looked interesting and fun, and we liked joining remote raids together during covid:) lots of great memories with those, now i don’t know anyone else who plays, and with my work schedule the only time i have to raid is at night. the global community is the only one i have now… i started this game for remote raids, and now i’m thinking i might stop because of this :( i also just wanna say that with all of the bad changes over the last few years, i’ve really been fine with them. i’ve rolled with the punches and always stayed positive and chose to look for ways to have fun with this game, since i love it!! but this one is the first time i feel like the change isn’t ok, and for the first time i’m really thinking about if this game is going to stay in my life going forward i love your videos zoe, never commented before but i was in your vegas go tour video and i just wanna say how much i appreciate you!!

[@claude_k]

One suggestion regarding the "rural players are the losers again" situation: Niantic is certainly technically able to sieve the "rural" players out of the general crowd of trainers; whether it is by the distance to the first Gym to your "most frequent location", the number of Gyms within X radius of that "most frequent location", or the number of gyms that get in your in-game circle on average per day, or else. And depending on that criteria, they should be able to allow people to USE possibly more than 5 remote raids per day. Or the raid passes could be cheaper for this category of trainers... But there needs to be some form of balance put back into the system!

[@danielsimmich1858]

That only helps rural players and doesn’t help any disabled players nor does it help anybody with an inactive community, sadly

[@Andreamom001]

@@danielsimmich1858If raids are easier, inactive communities could benefit by urban players traveling to the area for the benefit. ?? But it doesn’t help disabled people.

[@omegadonkey]

They will destroy the communities that were built for remote raiding for no reason I don't know how anyone can defend this I really wish niantic wasn't the one who made pokemon go, such a garbage company every thing they make is cheap and low effort, usually fails in a year or so they are so lucky the pokemon company let them use their IP or I think niantic would probably have gone bankrupt, definitely not successful like they are now.

[@Pr0phetless]

Like I said on Nick's video: I feel like the price increase was unneccesary. I get they want to discourage you from using them, *BUT* you're killing people who *NEED* to use them (rural, disabled, etc). I'm fine with the 5 daily limit and the damage reduction. That seems like enough to encourage in-person play. Niantic's response to people "boycotting" or "quitting" due to this is spending advert money to entice new players who will never know what the pandemic times in this game were like? Not a good look on them

[@christaylor8043]

I use remote raids very often because the raids downtown in our area don’t fall during a time I can play in person. When I am able to play in person, usually the 5* or Pokémon we want to raid are usually not present or you gotta wait for the egg to hatch. Personally, I would love to see gyms have the raids already available to do so we can raid when we want. We can battle the gym if we want or we can just do the raids. Each gym will have a set schedule in which the 1st half the day (6am-2pm) it will have the 1*,3*and 5* or mega on that gym then at 2pm-10pm it switches to a different 1*,3* and if the gym was 5* in am then it be mega in afternoon. Probably not feasible but would be neat

[@volve76]

The biggest problem here for me is that it will likely kill my ability to raid *in person*. I live in a small town with no community so I'm frequently out at gyms hosting raids for remote raiders, without their help I have no chance.

[@zachariusfrost337]

Same here, this just means the end of raiding in general for me I think. Tier 5’s are super tedious and time consuming anyway.

[@sigisoltau6073]

​@@zachariusfrost337Plus most can't be done solo if you're not above a certain level.

[@grunhoag859]

During Wednesday Raid hour we have in a rural area a dedicated group that drives a set path and raids 8 raids in an hour (every seven minutes). I participate remotely which allows them to complete the raid faster. The last raid of the evening yesterday three players added me remotely and we completed the raid with one second on the clock.

[@susanmclare]

That’s awesome! I wish I could do something like that. I would even travel to the local town if it was going to be possible to both find and coordinate players like y’all have managed to do. Truly it’s such a tragic mental image it’s actually funny- to imagine me standing about (most likely in the rain- it’s Scotland!) of an evening at one of the gyms, hoping that the handful of other players in town also did this, and *also* happen to pick the gym I’m at rather than one of the half-dozen others in town… I’m picturing me trying to convince local teenagers that my 30-something self is cool enough to join their raid, also tragically hilarious to imagine!

[@rheahinshaw7471]

As a retired disabled senior citizen I have no other option except to use remote rids. No-one in my house is going to take me to raid. Remote passes are a necessity for me. I also do end up doing international raids.

[@focusfanatic01]

A lot and I mean A LOT of ppl are going to uninstall this game and formally protest and boycott due to this update. So good job Niantic. You screwed your fans over.

[@toddmiller3750]

Totally agree with you! It’s nice to be able to join friends and help in raids when I can’s drive hours at a time just to help with one raid. I love to hang out with friends after remote raiding showing off our catches.

[@jonmarc876]

Honestly, if Niantic wants to increase the price for remote raids, fine. I think that financial barrier to entry is not great but it definitely would incentivize the larger player base to save a few dollars and walk to a raid. But I really REALLY dislike the 5 pass daily limit. 5 is way too low. I don’t raid every day but when a new legendary shiny or shiny I want to hunt comes out, I’ll do 20 raids in a day to try and get it. If you have a 4 day event and can only do remote raids at work etc, you’re barely within odds to get a new shiny legendary for example. This is a really bad move. It’s not just about an “average” amount of raiding for ppl. It’s more on those special occasions, how often do ppl raid and I’m sure it’s more than 5.

[@asseyez-vous6492]

I do many remote raids per day. Essentially I need golden razzies bc I have a lot of Pokémon in gyms. I’m rural and rely on friends inviting me and I invite my friends. I’ll raid around 3 a day if it’s a naff boss, if it’s good (Mewtwo, rayquaza, Lugia, etc), it’ll be easily 30+ per day.

[@michaelfenwick7320]

Never completed an Elite Raid or 4* Community day raid because of the lack of players in my area, without remote raids the game is even more useless to me 😢

[@JEDIMinja1]

@Niantic So we’re not going to talk about the fact that we’re asked to do raids for specific Pokémon and the only way to get a shiny/hundo is that which you mainly have to pay for:..but then are told you can only do so many without driving between gyms since there aren’t many near people in rural areas… Either give people boosted shiny odds (1/4) and an encounter from the research breakthrough or simply just allow no cap on daily coin earnings. If the money isn’t the issue then give premium game currency a way to make traveling more appealing for people that are 30min urea outside of a city. Both options are vial me but would also give you the tracking data. My 2 cents on it but hopefully one of tree is a decent option

[@thedeltasalamance1258]

What they really should do is buff in person raids not nerf remote. There are so many people, (disabled,rural, kids, etc.) who have to use remote raids. You are destroying your own community when you could be building it up. I personally don’t know anyone who plays Pokémon go so I literally can’t do in person raids. This is going to destroy your fan base, niantic. Wake up.

[@ChirpSzn]

Thanks for the video put alot into perspective, the only problem I have is the 5 per day cap. We were told that some of the remote features were temporary but there was nothing for a cap. I met so many people online through raiding and I'm just shattered right now. I've done about 20k raids in game to put my game play experience into perspective.

[@agentjulder7614]

Thanks for your content- my wife and I have really enjoyed it. Sadly, with this latest affront to rural players, we will stop playing Pokemon Go. We will happily spend our time and money on game publishers who demonstrate some connectedness to their fan base. We wish you the very best with your channel! Thanks again for all the insightful info and entertainment.

[@gomistyt]

195 & 525 coins is just ridiculous. 150 wasn’t that bad to begin with but 195? Hasn’t Niantic made enough money 😂 I do like however them allowing us to get it free from research breakthrough

[@Yadumotta]

All in all they won't make more money after these changes as a ton of players do remote raids. Now it will be limited to 5 each day - thus Niantic making less money, because of less sales of remote raid passes.

[@xbabii13girlx]

ok so this bothers me and affects me and id like the share my story so maybe youll see this and use this as an example: on xmas eve 2021 myself and my family were victims of a drunk driver who hit us head on at a combined 100 mph. everyone somehow survived, and my husband (who was driving) and 11-yo son (in the back seat) were not injured miraculously. i was in the passenger seat, and i broke my entire right leg (femur, tibia, fibula) and my entire right foot. i was also 28 weeks pregnant. i was air lifted to the hospital, where i spent xmas day writhing in pain and eventually went under for orthopedic surgery. 2 hours after recovering, there was a problem with my unborn child, and i needed to go back under for emergency c-section. my newborn son survived, but he spent 110 days in the nicu. he ended up developing a grade 4 brain bleed due to the trauma from the accident and my traumatic 27+ hour labor. he was diagnosed with cerebral palsy and cystic encephalomalacia (the latter meaning that the brain tissue that was damaged from the bleed turned to a fluid-filled cyst). he only has maybe 20-25% of his brain intact. needless to say, he is severely disabled from this as well as immunocompromised from his chronic lung condition which is due to being born with underdeveloped lungs. fast forward to now, i can walk again, however i cannot walk long distances or on uneven terrain. my foot is still swollen from all of the trauma and likely will never heal back to the way it was. doctors tell me i will likely always have pain when i walk and always have arthritis in my foot, ankle, knee, etc. if this wasn't enough, i obviously care for my baby 24/7. we do not leave the house much because he is so fragile. (perspective: he has been hospitalized for over 2 weeks now for the common cold. had to be put on a ventilator and everything). so playing outside with a bunch of strangers - not a good idea. because of all of the above, since my accident, i havent been able to raid in person. remote raids are the ONLY way im able to raid. im not a big shiny hunter, and i dont have a need for doing 10+ raids a day. but raiding is the easiest way for me to gain experience quickly, as any other methods of grinding just arent feasible for me (i have like 3 spawn points and 0 pokestops/gyms from my house). plus im big on collecting pokemon, and so obviously when they introduce new legendaries or costume pokemon thru raids, thats my only way of getting them. even if i could take an hour and leave my house to raid in person, the community i live in doesnt get together for raids like it used to. i live in a suburb of a major city in virginia. so theres plenty of gyms. but even during raid hours, no one is out raiding. the lobbies are always at 0. its not like it was in 2017/2018 where masses of people would walk the city streets together from gym to gym. the only time ive seen people out doing raids in the last like 4 years has been during BIG events like go fest (not even comm days!) i have found a group of players on discord that are from all over the world, and we are able to remote raid together, and it's been a lot of fun! we're able to coordinate invites on discord so we know we can get enough people for the new legendaries and things like that. but now this community and others like it will be hugely affected by these changes. anyway, like i said, im not huge into shiny hunting and the daily limit for remote raiding doesnt bother me so much (other than its going to be a lot harder to get people to join to help me if theyve already reached their limits). but the fact that its a limit AND nearly doubling the price bothers me. i feel like it could have been one or the other and that would have still limited things to help achieve what niantic is trying to do. but this really does affect a lot of players. ive been playing the game since it first came out, and i will continue to play even after these changes. im not big on boycotting or things like that. but i just want niantic to know that they are really affecting a lot of trainers that are like me, and it feels like we're being forgotten about or hung out to dry. i dont want to be that person that complains and says "its not fair!", but when each raid that i do now costs about $1.50, that adds up! especially when i have a free raid pass and a stack of almost 200 premium passes from back in the day (when bundles used to be good) that i can never use. i want to make sure that niantic hears players like me, and knows how badly these changes will affect how we are able to play the game.

[@abel_da_G]

Honestly, they need to make it so you can see raids in advance or to allow for longer raid times, so communities can coordinate better for local raids. It sucks if someone on the other side of town finds a raid and posts it, but no one is available to help before the raid ends and disappears

[@Sosssa90]

I get that they want people to go outside and be in the “wild” but to be honest when I’m outside and enjoying nature the last thing i want to do is be on my phone.

[@whiterabbit6341]

Lol, besides, there aren't many stops, gyms, Pokemon in "the wild". Much more in the city. Especially parking lots - not actual parks. :)

[@njpdoes2]

I’ve moved around a lot and have always enjoyed being able to do raids with my friends. This is dismantling friendship interactions. Very short sighted on Niantic’s part.

[@giwrgostragoulias7981]

Thank you very much Niantic, that you give me more reasons to stay out of the game.Give me more reasons to spoof

[@awworrell]

Prior to remote raiding, I raided with a group of coworkers but that group has mostly left and moved geographically now. Honestly, the last time I went to a raid train I didn't find it as fun either going from stop to stop for 4 hours and getting 14 to 15 raids in. Most of the raids I've done has been since Covid started and through third-party applications where I can queue in anytime. While I do live in a large city, campfire is mostly silent constantly. Even during community days, i rarely see anyone raiding except for the few times the small group I was with pulled in people from third-party applications. I can see the justification of the price increase on them but definitely not limiting to 5 per day. For me when I do raid for a pokemon that I really want, I tend to run upwards of 20 raids per day through remote raids. The accessibility of raids for me is what makes things so great because I don't have to plan my days around trying to organize and travel somewhere when I can pop in whenever I want. While I'm sure this change makes sense in the context of the data niantic has and the financial goals they have, it really hurts the player experience.

[@kenderick9636]

OK so to be honest I really don't think these changes will effect me the same way they will other players, that being said I do spend money on this game and I am a level 50 trainer so obviously I raid as much as anyone else. I say let the people have their feelings either way but there is no need for people to stop playing all together. I'm clearly not saying make them stay (as if anyone could lol) or make them go. I think we need to remember that most people will still go out and play this game, either for the love of the game or the love of Pokemon. People love Pokemon, myself included, and I've helped build 2 different communities (1 before I moved and 1 after) off that love, and both communities will be just fine. These communities understand that getting outside and talking to each other and helping coordinate the different lobbies for raids is the easiest and safest way for people to beat harder raids. Not to mention that for some of the people these communities are there friends or family. With all that said I just so happen to also be apart of 2 online communities ,the GO Cast Podcast discord community and the Lured Up Podcast discord community, and would love to see these communities thriving and raiding together is a huge part of that. I don't think many of them will stop playing all together but I know for a fact most of them a bummed about the limitations set on the number of raids per day that can be done.

[@christineskinner8217]

I’m a disabled player and remote raid passes are the only way I get to raid so the price increase is not ideal I’m also a rural player

[@Yasminh-]

@zoëTwo you are low to try to scam a disabled person, fake account.

[@Daniel153-]

this is going to affect me tremendously my game is going to be slowing down because I have seizures every once in a while, and remote passes was a way for me to keep somewhat going when I needed them. Having a limit on the remote passes is OK but I think it should be 10 or higher, depending on the person that likes to use the remote passes as much as I can.

[@ronnym2863]

Has any thought been made on how players will be informed that their friends are remote raid capped? Scenario: If I'm hosting a raid and I need extra players to take down the raid boss, I don't want to send invites to players who have already hit their raid cap limit and cannot join, to then fail to complete the raid and lose an in-person raid pass (in particular, if there is not a lot of time left on the raid boss timer).

[@whiterabbit6341]

I did! So the status light should be green if available, yellow if online but in another raid lobby, and red if you've reached remote cap for the day. I'm sure this won't happen, though, Niantic only causes problems, they have no idea how to fix them.

[@roseymacdoo]

@@whiterabbit6341 that’s a great idea. I feel like the ability to add some kind of ‘status’ to help communicate with your friends (without the character limit of your buddy name) would be really helpful for all sorts of use cases

[@stephenbridges928]

Sometimes it would take me 10-20 remote raids to get the shiny, because I can’t do in person raids I don’t play with my community since I moved 1000 miles away from my old community.

[@mattelphick693]

for us raiders that are doing 20+ remote raids a day the only option now will be to spoof, it will just make the gap grow between rural players , regular players and spoofers

[@kerryodonnell2036]

I think one of the best ways they could combat the disappointment that is bound to come up for a lot of players would be to introduce new features in the game. New things to do that capture people's interests and attention. I really enjoy having tasks to do each day, or when tasks come up in timed or special research. Things that I have to actively work towards completing. I personally don't raid a whole lot except the occasional raid hour, or for new releases / shiny hunting. But I can see this being something that kills the game for a lot of players. Besides catching Pokemon and PVP, what else is there to do besides raid? And not every player likes using every feature. I personally can't stand PVP, and I almost never use it unless I have to in order to complete a task. This change is going to make people both angry and bored, which doesn't seem like a great way to attract players long-term. And limiting a feature which probably makes them a boatload of money seems like a terrible business move. I wish Niantic had listened to the people who said, instead of limiting this feature, INCENTIVIZE in-person raid passes more. For example, make it so that in-person raids have increased shiny odds or something. A small discount on passes and possible extra candy is probably not going to do much for a lot of people. Give people a real reason to go out and be there in person, rather than taking something away that they enjoy. That's my take on this latest kerfuffle. 🤷‍♀

[@_viih97]

"Give people a real reason to go out and be there in person, rather than taking something away that they enjoy" everytime that niantic have a backlash from the community, people say what you say, and again and again niantic doesnt care. they want you to go out and scan, and then they can sell our data, and the AR solution they have. its a shame but nothing gonna change.

[@jasonk.9170]

I said it before I don't see this game lasting too much longer. All the wonderful KZbinrs depending on Go and Niantic better get out there job huntin

[@DavidSmith-wd4ny]

I think they're trying to tank it on purpose. I really do.

[@JenniferWambold-rp8zv]

I hope catching the 5* would be easier. I have had friends have to do 3 raids just to catch their pokemon. So if remote raids limited big difference. Also - on raid day I help different small groups around world through out the day - which I now will have to choose. Weather in some places can have you stuck in house for days - so is everyone driving in bad conditions and sitting in their cars at the same time considered better? And as you mentioned - some players will be left behind either because there are not enough friends to help them and/or they do not have access to a lot of gyms or at the right times. So much more could be said - but I do not think that Niantic is being totally honest with their motives.

[@horus592onyt5]

Niantic please don’t do this there are so many people who live in rural areas or who don’t have good community. And this is going to make people quit which makes them less likely to go outside. Your killing your game niantic

[@dominiquehaughton1056]

Remote activity among humans geographically far apart is the way of the future, not just for gaming. Niantic is missing the point on how fascinating it is for players to be connected to other players 10,000 miles away. Besides I find it patronizing to be “forced to go out”. We are not kids for the most part. At least remote passes will be available from research breakthroughs which is not the case right now unless I am mistaken.

[@ingridgardens6560]

Hi - I think you did a great job of covering points about who and why remote raids but as well as being rural and/or disabled there is the issue of weather. Some locations have playable weather 300 + days a year while in other places snow, rain and storms can make certain raid times/dates impossible or unsafe for months at a time.