The Worst Gibson Guitar Is STILL My Favorite

The SG Jr Is One Of My Favorite Guitars
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[@bryancollins6796]

SG & LP Junior guitars are both Rock 'n Roll flamethrowers. Makes you think that you don't need anything more than what they are.

[@0000song0000]

Its just that sometimes the brain has that little cricket-like thought "Aren't Custom Les Pauls pretty?" and yes, the utopical gorgeous ideal LP looks awesome, but it is almost hypothetical. I have never had a guitar that didn't go thru buyers remorse.

[@SomeRandomDude2020]

I’m a guitar teacher and I own several guitars. In my life all of my Gibson and Gibson-esque experiences have been 60s slim neck profiles. The other day one of my kids walked in with his new Epiphone 50s Les Paul and of course the rule is I get to play all the new guitars. I loved that chunky 50s neck so much I can’t stay off of Reverb right now.

[@Bliggick]

Thanks Dylan for buying the SG Junior because I was on the fence about buying one for so long and after seeing how happy you were with yours, I finally pulled the trigger and got mine last October. Mine came out of the box perfect and set up to my liking. The main thing that surprised me when I unboxed it is that yours looks quite deep cherry red in your videos while mine has an orange tint to it like a vintage guitar that has faded over time. I put thumb bleeders and silver top knobs on mine just because I like that look. Cosmetically the only other thing I wish it had were 3-in-a-line tuners and it's possible that they would fit, but not without drilling new screw holes so that is not going to happen. In this video your SG had a nice smooth crunch to it that I preferred over the more twangy sound of the DC. I'm glad you kept your SG because seller's remorse can be a lot worse than buyer's remorse and it can haunt you.👻

[@nathanwainwright0]

I’ve got a 62 LP Junior that has 4 headstock repairs and no original components beyond the strap pegs. It is still the #1 guitar people want to play when they get here.

[@paulneeds]

WORST Gibson?! Don’t be silly dear boy!

[@DylanTalksTone]

😂

[@michaelmenkes8085]

Dylan, you have effectively a shootout here between your Gibson and the handmade Jr DC as they sound different with the same pickup, but the question becomes why. It looks like a very solid amateur build. Could be wired with different pots and capacitors, could be the way the intonating wrap bridge affects the tone over the lightning bar, could be the overall mass difference, etc. Another fun shootout would be to put the Gibson pickup back in the Jr and and also the DC. You have just removed a nail from the coffin of the Tonewood debate.

[@mikecampbell6011]

I will agree, SG's are underrated. I purchased an SG standard in the last year and can't put it down. Really feels and plays amazing.

[@daleturner3507]

I have a Les Paul DC Jr. it’s my go to guitar for sure. It plays great and sounds amazing. Mines beat up but that just makes it more fun because I’m not afraid to play it.

[@jimshomestudio4669]

I have a few Gibson 2014 models, that was the first year I was able to afford one. 27 years after I began playing guitar. Took a while. I love them. My first Marshall head also took about 29 years. I think that since our bodies are 98 degrees and the instruments are around 76 degrees, they warm up and the necks ease tension and bow slightly, the strings warm up and soften a bit and they change pitch a little bit. My Les Paul is #2 for stability. It has a large round 50’s neck. The #1 most stable guitar is Ibanez Universe Vai limited edition. It basically never goes out, ever. But it’s normal for the rest of them to warm up as I sit with them. These days I play in short bursts, there is no way for my hands to go hours without going numb. Gives me time to think.

[@Ottophil]

98.6 is our internal temp. External temp isnt much more than room temp

[@mirllewist3086]

I got much joy out of a 63 melody maker - also single pickup. Same stop tailpiece. I found the limitations of one pickup make me get more creative about how and where I played in order to pry a wider variety of tones out of the instrument

[@johnhudson4493]

Dylan , your fingers did all the talking ! That SG junior tone is incredible .

[@richardlewis1243]

I remember your trip to Nashville and how cool the whole Gibson vids were. Glad you can keep your punk spirit alive.

[@hickskoone5428]

If you change the bridge on either one, check out Music City Bridge in Nashville Tn. By Joe Glaser. It DOES make a difference

[@josephdeveau4150]

I bought a 2004 melody maker earlier this year randomly on a lark while at a used guitar store in Toronto. I'd never even seen it before. It's basically a Les Paul Jr with no pick guard and a tune-o-matic bridge. Before that, I'd never played a Gibson that I loved. I was starting to move towards bridge pickup only guitars with a super cheap Squire Esquire I bought (swapped the pick-ups for a SD Invaders). But after having the Melody Maker with the P90... I'm like... I don't think I need neck pickups for my playing style AT ALL. I hardly touch my other guitars. P90s for life now. Who ever had it before me put Grovers on it and 14 gauge strings. At first I thought who the fuck plays with 14, but man...slamming power chords on it. It's just so fun. I may go down to 12s, but I'm gonna keep the whole thing just a meaty rock machine.

[@ziggamaras]

I own this supreme kind of guitar about 2 years now, the comment about the tuning 5:00 is so true!! Hand down one of the best guitar model out there

[@rocktorrocks]

I just checked the Gibson website, looks like the SG Junior is still available for sale? Are they planning to discontinue? Also cool to see it sounds different from the DC LP Jr custom build. I have an LP Jr. and SG special and always wondered if it was redundant to have both. You’ve helped me justify keeping both in my stable now. 😁 P.s. Agree on not getting hung up on certain neck specs. All my guitars differ in feel and the variety is nice. Doesn’t take too long to adjust to then when I’m switching either.

[@morinv3068]

As a proud owner of a 59 LP Junior double cut and 16 years of guitar experience I can say single pup gibsons (vintage or not) are rock machines Pure rock tone and simple controls Also when youown a single pup guitar you will learn how to use volume and tone And about the bridgeand intonations it's fine not 100% in tune always but its gets the job done Its like owning one of those old shelby cobras! It is what it is

[@garynash7594]

I got one of them ! It's a 67' Buddy gave it to me, Somebody had done a bad fret job on it, So I knuckled down and did it, The freaking thing is viscous sounding!!! Love it ☺️

[@Zundfolge]

I understand not wanting an ugly bridge, but the Schaller Signum is an intonation adjustable wrap bridge/tailpiece but also purdy. If you look up Schaller's youtube video on installing a Signum, they install one on a Vintage Guitars version of your SG. So you can see how it would look on yours.

[@216trixie]

A lifetime of Les Paul style guitars and others, I have found Gibson SGs and now I have two Specials. Can't stop playing them. They fit standing or sitting, sound amazing and I get to play in the upper register.

[@NormanWoods]

Same tuning situation with my Gibson Standard 50s. Some days it’s in tune for hours. Others, I bend once and it’s out. I blame my sausage fingers.

[@Dzamora612]

Nice video Dylan! I was gonna buy this guitar but you pulled it out of the site 😂 glad you changed your mind because it is an awesome guitar. Btw regarding the tuning Joe Bonamassa has said in interviews that vintage stuff or designs like that have the sort of character that just has more temperament some days

[@honkytonkinson9787]

I’ve had a Gibson LP studio for about 18 years, with a thin satin nitro finish. Doesn’t show much wear despite a lot of playing; you can definitely tell I’ve played it but the finish hasn’t worn like I expected it would when I bought the guitar. I would think that a gloss finish would take quite a bit more abuse, but maybe thicker is more prone to wear? My guitar is the same, with regards to tuning. Some days it stays in tune, and will still be in tune the next day. Other days it won’t stay in tune and I can’t figure out why!

[@TheJeffcurran]

OK, so I have a 2015 or so SG Junior built by Precision Guitars in Vancover BC. It has a Lollar P90 and Tone Pros bridge. And it has an ebony fretboard. It's my favorite guitar. I also have a 2018 Gibson Banner Series SG Junior. It has the same Tone Pros bridge from the factory. Not a Lightning Bar. My second favorite guitar. I have 13 SGs and 7 LPs. Many of them are Customs and Supremes or some variation on those themes. All high end Gibsons. These Juniors are nowhere near the worst. They are actually the best. Juniors will challenge you like no others. You don't have much to work with so you have to make the best of it. Another favorite of mine is a Single P90 Epiphone Jared James Nichols LP Custom Gold Glory. Less is more.

[@rickycompton2610]

Killer Guitar, I own 3 Gibson Sgs my favorite one is my Toni Iommi monkey Sg I love the neck profile and the P90s

[@jonathanstrand2474]

66’ is the year to get, longer neck tenon, Dunno if they still do it that way, but at the time it had a smaller control cavity and no neck PU route, because it was cheaper after 66’ to do the same route on junior’s as 2 PU models

[@danandratis]

Dylan thanks for the video, thinking of an SG for my next build, gotta love DOC! - Cheers from Canada

[@Ottophil]

SG’s are the best

[@DylanTalksTone]

Agreed

[@216trixie]

I'm a convert.

[@roberthastings708]

I'm getting to know my centerpunches in my LP. Lots of tone options. They sound great so far. Thank you.

[@charleswallace5818]

Thanks for sharing. I really like your P-90. Need a few more guitars with them in them. Stay safe and be blessed

[@timbailey4055]

String space is off on the yellow guitar

[@mikestillwagon5675]

I have an SG Classic that is about to get some new P90s. If they don't do what I hope they do, you may get the job of winding some new ones for me.

[@christianknobloch934]

I bought one last June on Zzounds. Love it! And the Gibson website still has them available.

[@birdman316]

awesome brother! im glad i got to hear the yellow guitar! they both sound sweet yet different.....i never knew how cool the single pup guitars really are till i watched several vids about them... hekk even the "big time rockers" have them and even record albums with them...koool!!!

[@jonathanhorne6503]

Can you briefly document the signal chain? My setup is much too clean. Like you I love the P-90. I have them installed five guitars and one mandolin. I use tube hams, some I’ve made , most are point to point wired. Still too clean.

[@dejavoodooV2]

great word's about adapting to individual guitar and their neck profiles, ...unless someone physically has to play a certain shape for ergonomic/health reasons, its good to play em all:)🤘

[@jasonmoore5675]

SG neck dive is totally made up? I'm happy you have an SG that doesn't have neck dive. I like SGs, but most I have owned and or played do in comparison to most other guitars. I could care less about the neck dive if I vibe with the guitar, but saying the issue is made up is asinine.

[@J0HN01DATA]

SG is a fun instrument for sure. Sounds awesome!!

[@franciscocastaneda7060]

well I got a Gibson Jr DC, and yep it gets out of tune time to time... who else has this Problem? have you found any reason for that ? cheers!

[@touchthesun2448]

I love your P-90's... they sound awesome!

[@reverendjetstream]

I sold my SG because I like LP more. BAD DECISION!!! SG works great in a recording when you layer guitars, you can play any music genre on it including metal, it cuts cuts cuts! Plus I can not see a guitar with a better fret access. Ideal for lead players. I am actually watching this video because I miss my SG 😀😢

[@raymondjamesrivera]

You're not alone! I had the version that didn't have the vintage volume knob placement so it was easier to sell, but I'm seriously gassing for this guitar.

[@ravenslaves]

Unless Gibson altered the compensated bridge. If they left it vintagey. Then you're never going to really get it intonated...mostly. because when they finally decided to add a "compensated" bridge/tail piece, they were compensating it for a wound 3rd string, and heavier strings in general. Add to that, there isn't a lot of body for the neck to bite into, and you'll have tuning issues that won't improve with age. ...but that's perfectly ok... Those guitars are best played balls-to-the-wall, as hard as you can. Where things like intonation don't really matter much, and if you're a little out of tune, it somehow sounds better. Just try to resist the urge to use the neck like a whammy bar...maybe a little.

[@ChrisShortyAllen]

Are not the tuners mainly responsible for tuning?

[@ravenslaves]

@@ChrisShortyAllen tuning isn't the same thing as intonation or tuning stability, which was where I was going with the neck/body. Intonation simply means that the guitar is in tune with itself. So that your open A, will still be the same note when you play the octave A, and not be sharp or flat, for example. Because your guitar will experience physical changes from time to time, it's important to be able to make those small adjustments to your intonation.

[@straightshowtunelove]

Sorry, love the SG Jr. If any axe is gonna be called Gibson "worst" it would be the Melody Maker.

[@BluesforJ]

Maybe I’ll have to try it out again. I picked one up in the store and it was hard to play and fell out of tune almost immediately, possibly a bad one

[@justinhaskell5502]

I’m glad you kept it. It’s a great guitar.

[@limpneckmike]

Is that, a common belief? I’ve never heard someone call an SG the worst Gibson.

[@brandonjackson5865]

SGs are the ugliest Gibson and maybe even any guitars. Everyone says they’re great and most SG guys hated them before they tried one. Like most Glock people hated a Glock before they ever used one. I’ve never even picked up an SG because that’s all I need is to fall in love with an ugly guitar lol. Some SGs are cool like Angus and Iommi’s and the look of white SG customs has grown on me. Every SG player I’ve ever met said they had an aversion to them until they tried one. I don’t like double cut juniors but Dylan’s yellow one looks fantastic.

[@1959LP4U]

@@brandonjackson5865 If your looking for ugly guitars, Ibanez makes the ugliest pointy-assed guitars there are!!! I would be embarrassed to be seen owning or playing such ugly guitars! Life is too short to own or play ugly Ibanez guitars!!!

[@216trixie]

@@brandonjackson5865 I've been playing for decades and I recently switched to sg's. I never thought they were ugly, I think they're e badass looking.

[@brandonjackson5865]

@@216trixie I’ve just never liked the looks of them, I’ve seen a few modern ones with flamed tops that were pretty nice and as I’m aging I’m appreciative of more traditional shaped guitars, like I said white Sg customs are looking pretty sweet to me now. I know a lot of people love the SG and I’m sure they are fine guitars some of them at least. I never knew the horns weren’t symmetrical until a couple years ago, but I wonder if subconsciously that’s what made me think they were ugly? They say people decide a person’s attractive or not by looking for facial symmetry or at least that’s how a first impression or a slide of different peoples faces they found that people deemed the people whose faces were more symmetrical as being more attractive.

[@brandonjackson5865]

@@1959LP4U how’d you know that I was an Ibanez guy ? Lol My number one is about a 95ish rg550 and I’ve owned an iceman and I have an early 80s destroyer II that I’m redoing currently for the last several years. I’ve always loved the RG shape sharp point super Strat but I can see how it wouldn’t be for everyone. I think the modern Ibanez 6 in line headstock is one of the the nicest looking functional headstocks of all time and it looks great standard or reverse configurations. I’ll never get rid of my RG but as I’m getting older I’m really liking more traditional S shaped guitars , Shur Friedman the vintage or modern version, new super Strat thing , I think the Ibanez AZ are probably a great modern more traditional Strat but I don’t like the AZ more rounded headstocks . I get it though to someone who doesn’t like Ibanez they probably all look the same and generic . I didn’t mean to start anything I’ve just never found an SG that I walked past and said wow that’s so cool looking I want to pick it up .

[@olev01]

Wish I could register 2 likes! This was FUN as well as INFORMATIVE as well as containing LIFE-HACKS! LUVIT! Thx!

[@KRAZEEIZATION]

The SG Jnr wasn’t the worst guitar in Mike Oldfield’s hands!!!!

[@NintenDub]

I just got the epi SG worn p90...it's the best guitar sound you can get for the money

[@johncollins5552]

All that guitar needs is the 50s wiring mod and....stainless steel frets to last a lifetime of playing.

[@roberthastings708]

Hello Dylan and all. ?????What factors do I need to consider when deciding between (2) p90s and (1) p90? Epiphone LP jr. 1 p90 Epiphone SG special 2 p90 Maybe. Epiphone coronado. 1 p90 Maybe. Epiphone Wilshire. 2 p90 This is my next project.

[@boogiemorgan]

They don't get any better than a Gibson! I prefer the Les Paul better, but that is just my assessment. Only guitar made in America as far as I know. Love them! The only time I have to tweek mine is with temperature and humidity change!

[@DylanTalksTone]

Uh…. Lots of Gibsons made in the US

[@ItsVictoriaG]

Lots of guitars are made in the United States: Harmony, Kiesel, Fender American series, Novo, K-Line, Tom Anderson, Nash, Heritage, High Spirit, Jackson USA series, Schecter Custom Shop…

[@boogiemorgan]

@@ItsVictoriaG Thank you, I stand corrected, a misunderstanding because , "to me" Gibson is the best! I started playing about 1950 and have owned a lot of different guitars through the years. As a matter of fact, I have a Fender Jazzmaster that I have owned for 59 years, I have 5 guitars of different brands now, but , " to me", Gibson sounds better, has more attention to the construction than the others, just my opinion! No offense please!

[@myvintagesunburst7418]

check out the Music City Bridge as seen on Tom Bukovac's channel .. It was designed by Joe Glaser and Tom .. I have one on my L/P Special ..

[@Bliggick]

The Worst Gibson Guitar? Have you seen the Gibson Firebird Zero? The SG Junior is just fine. We don't need no stinking neck pickup!🤣

[@DylanTalksTone]

I love this 😂

[@lawndart188s]

Well said. The guitar is supposed to bring the ART out of your soul

[@michaelmenkes8085]

The neck dive Gibson myth is due to the cheapest ones (tributes/Epiphones) have heavier maple necks. My Gibson SG Iommi special might be 6.5 pounds, with a thicker mahogany neck, but in perfect balance. The Jr is not discontinued. I like Specials better.

[@Ottophil]

I have 3 SG’s a 05 standard, and an 02 gothic, the third one is the only one with neck dive. Its a 1989 special 3 knob, with a maple neck. A cotton strap solves the dive

[@michaelmenkes8085]

@@Ottophil I put a maple neck on a mahogany SG I made for a customer. And a chunky one. Somehow I beat the odds although I made the body to spec. Might just have been the grover mini-tuners. Wish I hadn't had to sell that one. I think its more about you play an SG and most gibson's in a slightly different position than a Fender and Fender people don't adjust well. Like my Thunderbird fits best a little higher up with a bent left elbow like Entwistle, which is completely different than a P bass. Play a T like its a P, you'll complain about neck dive because of your balance, not the instrument's.

[@supersonicej]

Angus would approve 👍

[@cchavez248]

I can't blame you for not dusting the headstock, I've been stabbed multiple times by string ends doing that! No more, the dust can stay;

[@kootenaystringworks1765]

Use a makeup brush, super soft and no stabbing yourself.

[@waynegram8907]

DYLAN, 50's and 60's pickups didn't use TAPE around the pole pieces and bobbin which the tape changes the tone of the pickups. Why the tape changes the tone of the pickups is because you get coupling of the pole pieces to the enamel wire which has resistance and causes leakage so each pole piece will have a different leakage with the wrapped wire. Stop using tape around the bobbin and go direct, plus fender would spray a coating on the pole pieces magnetics to try to prevention oxidation. You haven't made a video lesson about this subject using the chalk board on dylan talks tone

[@DylanTalksTone]

TLDR

[@waynegram8907]

@@DylanTalksTone Don't be so lazy its good information

[@DylanTalksTone]

It’s pointless

[@waynegram8907]

@@DylanTalksTone Measure vintage pickups pole pieces to the wrap wire it make a big different in tone. Do a massive recall on all your pickups and remove the tape from the pole pieces to get that vintage tone out of dylan talks tone pickups. Measure the LCR on each pole piece to wrap wire on vintage pickups to dylan talks tone pickups its a big difference because of the tape.

[@DylanTalksTone]

lol the level of nonsense in this comment (for anyone reading it) is staggering. There are couple of things here. First, you can't "recall a pickup" and remove tape. Second, The folks that think that a certain sound can be achieved only one way are just plain wrong. Third, you can't actually measure "LCR on each pole Piece". This simply odes not exist. Fourth, ..... we don't use tape on our pickups. We have our own proven method that doesn't get published.

[@cchavez248]

How could someone call that the worst? Listen to that voice! 👍😎

[@lemmy546]

It's called click bait... 😁😎 It's a really great guitar for sure!

[@shanewalton8888]

I had difficulty trying to sell my LP jr as well. People just don’t want Jrs as much as regular LPs.

[@fernandoayala2477]

Gibson’s rock! Great video

[@windsweptguitars]

You’ve played mine……. It’s an amazing piece

[@aloraoficial]

I dont think at all that guitar is the worst from gibson, on the contrary, I think that is one of the best guitars

[@Tony_Leonardi.]

Sweet still like it

[@tobydavis6770]

Don’t worry about COMPARISONS and JUST LET THE GUITAR BE THE GUITAR says the man who makes REPLACEMENT pickups for a living. Hmmmm???

[@donttalktome4696]

Telecasters and Gibson "juniors" are the best "rock" guitars.

[@zeffneeson7599]

Could you put a three way switching arrangement in a Junior to give it a bit more mojo like an esquire . I really struggle with bridge pickups I’ve only ever found one I like and it’s a coil tapped iron gear tele bridge pickup just wired hot

[@michaelmenkes8085]

Imagine thinking a SG Jr needs more mojo.

[@zeffneeson7599]

@@michaelmenkes8085 😂 😂you know what I mean tho the esquire pickup selector always interests me just wandering if it has been done on a junior

[@zeffneeson7599]

@@michaelmenkes8085 I’ve got a lespaul p90 tribute for £800 it’s a killer guitar but I’m always on the neck pickup 🙄😂

[@michaelmenkes8085]

@@zeffneeson7599 well that’s your problem right there. Well two problems. A tribute is not a jr or a special. The mojo is in the bridge and bridge pickup.

[@zeffneeson7599]

@@michaelmenkes8085 I have many more problems much worse 😛

[@rattletraprock]

That is an awesome guitar! If you do sell it, call me first!

[@ColdwaterGang]

SG do neck dive but so……….dont stop playing it then. Duh

[@donbishop6994]

Thank God you didn't say something stupid like "tone wood" made the difference in sound. The pickup placement makes a huge tonal difference. The wood, not so much. 😎

[@DylanTalksTone]

Meh… it’s more the color

[@donbishop6994]

@@DylanTalksTone I can believe that way more than tone wood. FFS people believe that mess so much I've seen it cause fights between close friends many times. It's sad. James Lill put that rumor to rest a while back but nobody will believe their ears.

[@grahambell4310]

These guitars are just plug in and play...none of that spending 20 minutes of getting the right 'tone'

[@clockwork914]

😃 Not sorry❕

[@alanjackman2296]

Should try a eastman

[@armandom28]

For me, one pickup guitars are virtually useless. Neck pickups are great for blues and jazz.

[@greghines9041]

Those of us who can afford Gibsons really like them....