The Worst Trains Ever Made - Pacer Trains

[@HyperboltEDM]

Idk who this guy is but his content is trash

[@maproductions9945]

Idk who this guy is but his comment is trash

[@maproductions9945]

Terraria Fan Yeah, i'm going to respect someone's opinion when someone is not respecting my own. What do I mean, before you ask? John High has the same opinion as me. And this guy is not respecting it. So give me a reason why I should respect his?

[@terrariafanthefloran]

MA Productions Sorry

[@terrariafanthefloran]

HyperboltEDM Respect Opinions

[@maproductions9945]

Fucking hell I am a dumbass. TRASH. Trash + Historically Rubbish Sorry my dude

[@agent_605]

A pacer is meant to get you from A to B. What it really does is get you to A and E

[@simplygeorgee]

XD

[@HORNEBEEDUBLO]

The only way that a Pacer would get you to A and E would be if you trespassed on the line and stood in front of one and then only if you were very lucky!

[@hairyairey]

What the poster means is for the back injury caused from travelling too long on one!

[@HORNEBEEDUBLO]

In 32 years of travelling on them I have not had a problem with them, unlike Class 101s, 104s, 304s, 305s 504s etc in the past.

[@LHoriginal]

@@HORNEBEEDUBLO WOOOOOSH

[@Snaily]

Fun fact about the screeching sound as they stop: as a kid, I thought that was just what trains do. It wasn't until I moved to one of the lines that Arriva didn't hate in Wales that I learned that trains can be comfy. Not quiet, mind you, but comfy if you have headphones in.

[@TheOfficialThundazz]

The screech from a a Pacer train is one of the worst sounds I’ve ever heard

[@darrenduffy1227]

It's amazing how trains can be new and cool, then old and need replacing, and then are cool again.

[@blackpoolbarmpot]

They could cure the "Pacer Bounce" by uprating the dampers (shock absorbers). The seating could also be replaced with more comfortable 'Train type' seating as seen in the class 143 & 144 Pacers. I personally don't mind the Pacer and think they are ideal for little used non-electrified branch lines. The Lancaster to Morecambe line has normally got a Pacer on it and is virtually a shuttle service between the two stations with 'Bare Lane' station inbetween

[@Cloudrak]

Solution: Turn new buses into trains.

[@railwaystuff]

big brain moment

[@TrentEvans01]

don't give them any ideas

[@a_eastcoast.pacer1]

Smiley time! Aka wright eclipses and pulsars

[@bowlerstuff9589]

Alexander Dennis:Hmmmm,Good

[@fightforfreedom5292]

Yeah a new pacer wiould be awesome like a tennis start.

[@virob9561]

No better feeling than flying through the countryside on a pacer, hot summers day with all the windows open, bouncing side to side

[@darylkemp1257]

As a kid it's what you associated that trip to the seaside with

[@hhs_leviathan]

Never ridden on one but they do have a decent aesthetic. I miss windows that open. The Pacer also is an undeniable proof of fact: The there is no more permanent measure than a stop-gap measure.

[@strangekat2840]

They're bloody awful. As someone who has chronic pain, every time I get the train to Leeds and I see one of them I cry.

[@fightforfreedom5292]

@@strangekat2840 I actually loved riding on them and they didn’t find them uncomfortable. I’m sad to see them go.

[@railfan670]

@@fightforfreedom5292same!

[@theflippedpacer2429]

Sorry the 11:11 northern service to Newcastle is a pacer an ambulance is waiting to take to Hexham A and E

[@disusedchannel4852]

Do you mean 1:11?

[@Jack.harrison6]

Best comment ever

[@bjoe385]

Me: mum can we have trains? Mum: no son, we have trains at home. Trains at home:

[@JohnHigh]

This is probably the best comment I've had on this video so far.

[@sparrow3394]

Lego in a nutshell

[@steamingheavenh8114]

I remember when i went to yorkshire for a holiday i went on a pacer I've never had so much fun on a train it was like being on a fair ground ride bring them pacer down south

[@JohnHigh]

You’re free to take them!

[@LukeAlfordUKsteam]

I know so fun

[@williamg209two]

na the south get all the fancy trains, and when the south are sick of them the north get them, like northern got some new trains new the caf ones which were the new to the south in the 90s and now ours cause the south has better trains now

[@liamw6562]

@@williamg209two GWR have pacers too, and that’s pretty darn south

[@williamg209two]

@@liamw6562 do they thought they got rid of them

[@borderlands6606]

Riding a Pacer means using heritage traction on the network. They have one benefit - the windows open. Pacers allowed the rail loathing Tories breathing space before selling off the business completely. They are basically a V-sign to public transport users in metal, a way of reminding people too poor to buy a car or live somewhere better that they deserve no more. I'm surprised they didn't remove the seats and make them standing only. I can only imagine those who sentimentalise Pacers don't have to ride in one on a daily basis. As a transport solution they are as relevant as the Sinclair C5, and their replacements are 20 years too late. If Pacers served the leafier suburbs of the Home Counties they'd have been scrapped long ago.

[@inkyscrolls5193]

I quite like them, in an "ecky-thump, I hate these bags of sh*te" sort of way. I ride them twice a week, 60 miles each time, and I shall remember them with moderate fondness when they're gone. =D

[@alexcrawford6162]

If anyone ever says to me: “we should nationalise the railways” the Pacer is what I point them to haha

[@Misfitxoxo]

you somehow just managed to keep me interested for over 2 minutes on a video about trains. congratulations, thats a damn achievement :D great video

[@johnsergei]

Yep, trains (& ships) are unimportant?. Without them, billions of people in the world would be starving within weeks. (or did you think cars, lorries & planes can carry that lot?)

[@eamesaerospace2805]

@@johnsergei who said trains weren’t important?

[@johnsergei]

@@eamesaerospace2805 Most people have no idea about the bulk land and sea carriers of this world.

[@darkcenturion5735]

ah yes, 2016, when the worst thing you had to worry about was TOC bosses allowing short commuter trains on long distance journeys oh hang on, LNER, GWR, HT, TPE, and lumo are doing that right now!

[@henrybn14ar]

The concept was fine apart from the decision to use two-axle underframes. They would have been perfectly good for the purpose if they had been constructed as articulated pairs with bogies, like trams.

[@jacobdovaston2456]

I clicked on this video just to see some pacers ;-;

[@darobzamusic6007]

soz mate, we have to put up with this historically rubbish guy

[@karevilen]

It is 2021, and the last Pacers have just been put off service.

[@jimtaylor294]

Aye; albeit with one more day than planned... how fitting :D .

[@am-vm8ew]

I don't think many people realise that if the pacers weren't introduced, many branch lines in the UK (Barnstaple line, Penistone line etc) wouldn't be open or they would be in appalling condition.

[@FannyLerouxTime]

Aww, I love the pacer trains! They're just wonderful, they're loud and lets face it, they make any journey more fun by bouncing you on your way!

[@cyborgbadger1015]

yes they're like minis lol! noisy and bouncy and have character.

[@markcaldwell2831]

That's what modern transport lacks....character. Modern technology is dull.

[@northernofficials4461]

👎boo

[@neiltheboxtankengine3065]

If you had to ride on one every day, you wouldn't be saying that.

[@markcaldwell2831]

A crap design that's lasted over 30 years....I'd say that isn't too bad but it's just a pity they're not suitable for 21st century travel, and that's just 9 years less than the HST.

[@seaside-dn8dp]

I really wish people wouldn't moan and groan about these British pieces. The pacers are perfect trains okay. No need to hate on them okay. Just my opinion. Plus they saved loads of lines in the past.

[@jamesmcnair888]

NiffD78 Stock they good wee trains hard working

[@mjosiah1]

Like the hate you have for Class 800 and S Stock? I hate on them for good reason. Because Pacers are rubbish Niff. Ride on them, you will find out. Do not care if they were British made, they are rubbish. Should be BIC razors by now.

[@bjornmundt5801]

I think pacers are a good idea. especially for next stretches, railways in rural areas or with less costumers. You need only a few changes in technology and design and they will be much better and much more popular. Better breaks, better seats, noise control, sound absorber, reduce of vibration. Maybe electric engines. Doesn't cost much. Cheap, efficient, robust.

[@therschannel5440]

NiffIncentro At6/5 I agree

[@mjosiah1]

And in my opinion they are crap. Niff. Mu opinion. You hate the S Stock, I hate Pacers. People moan and rightly so.

[@jameshennighan8193]

The Pacers were not made from old buses. They were newly constructed and yes, based upon the bus design and body. Rather than being fitted with bogies, (two axles at each end of each coach), they were fitted with single axles at each end. Single axles do not provide the same quality of ride as bogie axles, but they are, (were), not as a expensive as bogies and hence the cost of production was reduced. A consideration at the time. The quality of ride with the Pacers is poor........where the track is not up to the standard that it should be.......! It is not poor per se..! Whilst one could argue that this was often the case, in some regions in the past, and at the time they were built, that is not the case these days where track standards and geometry are better than they have ever been. Yes, you will lurch about in them when coming into a larger station over multiple points, but this will be at fairly low speed. You will even lurch about a bit when passing through a simple crossover, (from one track to an adjacent track), but this not just due to the Pacer having a single axle, it is because the traditional geometry of a crossover has hardly changed since railways were invented. Simple crossovers are invariably taken at low speeds anyway. Where crossovers are designed and built for higher speeds, (with longer length switch blades, for example), the Pacer will cope with it's passage through them almost as good as any other train.......the almost here will, of course, be the single axle consideration; but it will not make the ride uncomfortable. On continuous welded rail, (CWR), which is more or less the norm on the railways in the UK these days, the ride in a Pacer will be as steady as any other train, although here again, due to the single axle, there will be slightly more lateral movement, but not such as to make the ride uncomfortable. On a recent journey from Wakefield to Leeds I travelled in a Pacer which had been newly refurbished internally, and yes, thankfully this was with the lower back, original type seating, rather than the hideous tall seating. The journey down from the tunnel down towards Beeston and Leeds was taken at line speed for these units and was as good a ride as one might experience. We were only thrown about a little when passing over the multiple points at the entrance to Leeds City station. I take the view that one of the biggest mistakes the train operating companies have made with the Pacers is that of removing the original, bus style, seating and fitting them with the higher backed seating, (rigid plastic frame and cushions). When the higher backed seats have been fitted there are, invariably, too many of them fitted per coach. Basic leg room is often poorer than the worst one might find in an airplane........and we all know to our cost how poor that can be. Very often their is no room to sit comfortably without ones knees hitting hard against the back of the seat in front. This was not the case with the original bus style seating, which offered far more generous and comfortable seating space. If you don't believe me just find one of the Pacers that is fitted with the bus style seating and then compare it with one with the higher backed seating. By far one of the worst consequences of fitting the higher backed seating to the Pacers is that it makes them very claustrophobic. This is especially so when they are crowded, say during the rush hour. It also makes it practically impossible for any passenger in a seat to see down the length of the carriage. All to often all one can see is the back of the seat in front. I take the view that what ever the shortcomings of the Pacers, it is the creation of this claustrophobic atmosphere, caused by the fitting of the higher backed seats, that has made them, in the mind of the passenger at least, a poor train in which to travel. Cramming in more higher backed seating is never considered, as the major fault, by the train operating companies......and sadly.......by government. Far easier to simply condemn them as bad trains and rush to call for more investment in new trains, without objectively assessing that the actions of fitting them out very badly is arguably one of the reasons the travelling public.......and the press......have come to regard them as they do. It becomes the expected view to which we all, far too readily, subscribe........! Of course, more investment and newer trains does not necessarily mean better comfort for the passenger; although it should...! As an aside, just look at the new Hitachi 800 class trains..........they have appallingly bad seating for a new product. These are a poor substitute for what might have been possible if the fleet of High Speed Train, (HST's), had been properly refurbished. They are a British design and build and their coaches are arguably, the best that we have operating on our railways. All that was required was refurbishing and also building new power cars. Far more cost effective that buying new trains from Japan......! The Pacer stock still has a future, if properly re-engineered and fitted with bogies.........and without the appalling high backed seating, but does anyone have the vision to see this...?

[@larrylitmanen9877]

If the service is so lightly used that it can be serviced by basically two wagons at the time, that line will never get modern trains. It will always be getting hand me downs from 30 years ago because it is simply not an important line.

[@guitarplayerforu]

Larry Litmanen We're getting brand new trains here in northwest, some diesel and some Electric's. try going from Manchester Victoria to Wigan, even at busy times they put only 2 carriages on and then it gets dangerously overloaded, even with the class 150/156's its the same. Pacer's are ok and get you from A-B but are showing their age now, similar story with class 150/156's. i was on a class 156 coming back from Manchester to Wigan once and the engine cut out about 12 times, i honestly thought we wasn't going to make it. Our trains are getting worn out now. Be glad to see our brand new ones and refurbished ones. About time us northerner's got an upgrade instead of down south all the time.

[@guitarplayerforu]

Larry Litmanen it's been confirmed We're getting brand new trains here in northwest, some coming as early as next year. There will be some diesel and some Electric's. try going from Manchester Victoria to Wigan, even at busy times they put only 2 carriages on and then it gets dangerously overloaded, even with the class 150/156's its the same. Pacer's are ok and get you from A-B but are showing their age now, similar story with class 150/156's. i was on a class 156 coming back from Manchester to Wigan once and the engine cut out about 12 times, i honestly thought we wasn't going to make it. Our trains are getting worn out now. Be glad to see our brand new ones and refurbished ones. About time us northerner's got an upgrade instead of down south all the time.

[@mjosiah1]

Well if that is your call Larry, why isn't the Romford to Upminster or the West Ealing to Greenford services getting 30 year old hand me downs like the Pacer. I doubt if there are any services in the commuter belt in the North West as lightly loaded as those two and yet the Romford to Upminster is getting new class 710. If it were up to me I would bung a 315 or a class 230 with a panto!

[@martinjh999]

Have to say I agree with you there - Living in Chorley the trains we have here are so crap... 15x series should be scrapped as well and all new electric trains should be used... :D Hopefully we have some coming when the new trains are running

[@chris-io1ki]

guitarplayerforu Only having a 2 car train and being overcrowded does't make these a bad train. It's the operators who are too tight fisted to put extra sets out. Welcome to the privatised railway!

[@captainsanchez1]

2:04 Look at the bottom right of the end coach, there is a moustache there! Lol!

[@N330AA]

I like them tbh. Sure they're crap, but better than actual busses.

[@mattevans4377]

How does this video cram so much information into so few minutes? Is this video using TARDIS technology?

[@JohnHigh]

I don't have a PhD but I suppose you could say I'm a doctor 🪛

[@richardbotting5008]

I read in the annual report and accounts of Wenseydale Railway plc for the year ended March 31 2022 that Pacer trains have been introduced onto their regular services in North Yorkshire. Why would the directors of this company make the introduction (onto a line where travel is primarily for pleasure rather than necessity/commuting) if the trains are described as the worst ones ever made?

[@mattsmocs3281]

Fun fact: BR and leyland sent one called LEV 2 to Amtrak in the 70s for testing on the North east corridor, it was rubbish, so Massachusetts Bay Transit Authority tired it out. It also sucked there. So they gave it to steamtown NHS the recently formed National Park, it derailed on switches and even derailed standing still. My boss watched it casually fell of the tracks. Yet it hasn’t even moved or been moved. So the park service then sold it to Pocono Northeast Railway and they wanted to use it to run a commuter service. It blew up on the maiden run. So they sold it to some guys in West Virginia and they didn’t know what to Do with it because they couldn’t get replacement parts. So then it when to the Massachusetts Trolley museum as a gift. Today it sits in the far back with some minor vandalism

[@alanbroadbent8624]

Firstly, the body's weren't all Leyland National, the 143s & 144 were constructed with Walter Alexander bodied, also, if it wasn't for the Pacer units, a lot of branch lines would be closed today.

[@Kivetonandrew]

Love them or hate them, if it hadn’t been for Pacers, many unprofitable lines would have closed in the Eighties.

[@JohnHigh]

Absolutely!

[@46harry]

You can't deny that, but they aren't suitable for the 21st century

[@philmja9143]

These horrible trains are everywhere in Wales. They make that high pitched sound when going round curved track and you can't hear yourself think. Even blasting your ears with music to try and drown it out don't work. The sooner these forgotten relics of the 80's are gone the better.

[@seaside-dn8dp]

Phil M J A They are reliable though

[@sandletters39]

The Pacers were meant to have been cheap and saved branch lines from closure but according to an experienced engineer whom has worked on them, it's far from the case.

[@Glenn1967ful]

They were actually quite reliable and lasted over 30 years in service, but were hard riding, crude and unpleasant machines.

[@LSM_Lover]

Awesome video! Im in the US but the pacers look unique.

[@williampayne7678]

We had them on South Wales Valleys Lin for Years. The Pacer Trains Have stop Running on the South Wales Valleys Lin

[@peterjones3245]

If they were so unrelaible why are most still operational?

[@agent_605]

Because there’s nothing to replace them

[@plottwist1733]

"Most of them are going to be decommissioned and scrapped as early as 2020" That's still about 25 years too late.

[@HORNEBEEDUBLO]

And only for them it would have been 25 years too late to save the branch lines they replaced old DMUs on.

[@amogusman6227]

Welp, it’s here?

[@ljp206]

I swear I've ridden one of these from salisbury to cardiff. I was 10, no toilet, no seats. absolutely brilliant

[@Deltic55-mw4bo]

no seats? are you sure you weren't on a goods train by mistake?

[@jonathantan2469]

Lesson learnt. When the government mentions it's a 'Temporary Solution', it's bureauspeak for a 'Permanent Solution that lasts over 30 years'.

[@sharkstunes]

song at 0:25 pls?

[@JohnHigh]

Back in Time by Huey Lewis & The News

[@alexishamer6427]

Pacer trains honestly feel cold inside where they honestly have hard seats hurts people’s bottom. They won’t come back to British Rail again anymore.HOORAY. 😊

[@jonathansanger862]

The Pacers were never economical at all. Due to longevity of components concerned over the Sprinter type trains, they were more expensive to run. The wheels caused greater wear to the track meaning that they didn't save branch lines from closure, it was government subsidies.

[@OffTheRailsUK]

These are more comfy than IETs and Desiro Cities for sure.

[@keithalexander3386]

The travelling public these days expect to arrive without being bumped and shaken. Trains are getting popular today because they are comfortable and fast. The Pacer goes against all this. I remember using one the first time when they went into service and being disappointed at the ride. The screeching on curves is dreadful.

[@alexandereden9330]

In a sick way, i'll kind of miss 'em!. There's definitely nothing else like it. Absolutely awful ride and the noisiest things going. But it's that crazy that these are still around today it's definitely worth a ride on one if you haven't. Just avoid rush-hour!

[@HORNEBEEDUBLO]

I have never been on the Pepsi Max at Blackpool Pleasure Beach, but I bet that the Pacer gives a lot more smoother ride! And many day trippers who travel there will arrive by 142!

[@al66class59]

The old BR advert slogan, ‘we’re getting there.’ The new Pacer advert slogan, ‘We’re not going anywhere. Can someone check the fuel tank?’

[@andrewhanbury1799]

how is that a painful screeching sound!!!???

[@xxiiilllxllliiixx4995]

BlockBuster 2006 just don’t even ask, it’s not exactly the softest sound out there.

[@maproductions9945]

I hate having to travel on one, they're so noisy. It was bad enough going all the way from Hull to Sheffield on one, then having to get on ANOTHER from Sheffield to Hull..I still like their shell, I write them down in trainspotting alot.

[@InfopeAlese]

Well, in that time, they actually done something to get "new" trains. Here, in the Balkans, we still have the ones from 1960s until now at the National Railway Companies :)

[@inkyscrolls5193]

I rode on a Pacer (144 020) from Lancaster to Skipton the other day (12th October 2018), most of it on unwelded rail. It was bouncy, uncomfortable and slow. The rain came in, the wheel I was sitting over had the most _excruciatingly_ bad flat, and one of the turbos had gone. The real icing on the cake, however, was when all engines (on all three carriages!) cut out completely - not once, but twice - for about ten seconds each time between Hellifield and Gargrave! They're always bad, but this really was ridiculous even for a Pacer. 144 020 is due for withdrawal next month (November 2018), however, so I suspect maintenance isn't the highest priority. On the one hand, yes, they're awful and it'll be a relief to see them go (and we'll be getting new trains in the North for the first time since 2000, at last!). But on the other, they're a quirky, characterful reminder of simpler times, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who will remember them with a certain fondness - albeit tempered with memories of unpleasant, laborious rides with nought but the monotonous 'bang-bang-bang-bang' of the over-spaced single axles to enjoy.

[@CoffeeOnRails]

By the way, could you do one on Southern Rail?

[@JohnHigh]

I hadn't thought of it, but I could definitely look into it! I'm currently working on a video that's due to come out within the next few days, so it'll have to be after that!

[@bowlerstuff9589]

Govia jumps in the bin,Arriva&Stagecoach,YAYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[@Scottish_Transport_Explorer]

Well 142006 have been saved from scrap now at a steam railway in wales

[@parttroll1]

30 years without any faults! Really!?

[@stnicholas54]

What's the problem if they get you from A to B ? They're a little uncomfortable and they bounce around a bit ? So what? I think they are a marvellous idea and what's a bit of discomfort in the great scheme of things. Look at what you have as opposed to what you don't have.

[@agent_605]

stnicholas54 They’re unsafe, have much less capacity than what is needed, and the bouncing is so bad that it could cause injury on some lines

[@Jimmer93]

And just when we thought we'd finally got rid of the horrid little shit boxes, Heritage Railways start using the bloody things!

[@waleedarif9327]

The Pacers were probably worse then 1st generation DMUs.

[@charliehall_23]

Wait, at 00:02 That inside has not changed, the inside to them are kinda different

[@telemachus53]

But let's not bash them too much. Today it'd be considered a recycling feat.

[@asdsdjfasdjxajiosdqw8791]

I hope Britain's trains can enter the 21st century like the rest of Europe's trains soon.

[@ukrailfreightclips7217]

I don’t know what to see other than the title has hit the nail on the head.

[@tomstickland]

What about the bug eyed single carriage thing somewhere in the Midlands?

[@agent_605]

The 139? It’s hardly rubbish, it’s adequate for what it does

[@nothisispatrick5725]

Was the thumbnail taken at sowerby bridge

[@fightforfreedom5292]

Am I the only one who actually likes pacer trains and is sad to see them go?

[@basictransportenthusiast4386]

I wonder why you didn’t talk about the 141

[@NintendoFanboy21]

Is the pacer train with toilets onboard going to go

[@waleedarif6740]

Sorry mate, they didn't go on for 16 more years though. They were withdrawn last year.

[@JohnHigh]

Maybe there is a God, after all.

[@pavarottiaardvark3431]

ok but they were cheap and they are STILL RUNNING which is a pretty good redeeming feature

[@riverhuntingdon6659]

Blue asbestos in the old diesels was also a problem. As for those 141s etc, you've heard of AutoShite, well, this is RailShite.

[@HORNEBEEDUBLO]

The Class 141s were my favourite units. I used to go to Yorkshire many times to ride on them.

[@asboaard]

Just watching a Geoff Marshall vid and in the side bar was this vid. Fantastic quality vid, but i think the sub count is broke because the vid is the quality of a KZbinr with a least a few hundred thousand subs not 525. I subbed so I must be 526 now.

[@JohnHigh]

Thanks so much man!

[@matthewdunderdale8685]

i suspect geoff's good lady vicki would have something to say about this video... she loves pacers!!

[@tentringer4065]

@@matthewdunderdale8685 I think she is just teasing him.

[@PatheticTV]

Geoff must hate his video.

[@inkysquid4]

NVR have one refurbished which could start running next year

[@iana6713]

If they hadn't come up with the Pacer for lighter-used commuter lines, how many would a government like Mrs. Thatcher's have shut down? Perhaps they were a bit primitive, but they did what they were designed for.

[@cam43002]

The acceleration is good on pacers because there a lot more lighter then other trains

[@tomsgaming1761]

I've read RAIL magazine, and they are scrapping all of their class 142s, 144s, and 153s. They are even scrapping 142001!

[@raymondfunnel6856]

Some of these pacer trains have been preserved

[@Nina-bh5jj]

Love the ‘futuristic trains for the North’ bit, yeah for Leeds maybe but Teeside and Hull are still stuck with Sprinters and the increasing-clunky Desiro UK TPE Class 185s. Sprinters are still pretty decent in fairness and I will be sad to see them go eventually, but those Civity 195s sure are cushy

[@peteryoung1902]

As long as you don't want to ride on one on a Saturday in Northern land. GWR seem well looked after but Transport of Wales are past their sell by date

[@mattsmocs3281]

If you though the pacers running now are bad. Look up Layland's LEV2 the one for America. It is indescribable how bad it is.

[@max_rwv]

Why all people I know dislike 142 and it always recovers 1st places in tops of ugliest trains 😭😭😭

[@jameswatker9766]

I get that everyone hates them. But in principle it does seem like a good idea to have cheap flexible rolling stock that doesn’t require electrification.

[@Thesmokercoaster]

Should make the lines max height doubled and use two or even four old routmaster London buses connected like these old Pacers. Double even quadruple the capacity and we will have double decker trains like America. I am actually joking

[@boosteraxledoesstuff2769]

Pacers are currently in refurbishment with better seats and they seems nice

[@zaitsevvadym]

Dude, as a Ukrainian, I'd love to change all our suburban trains for Pacers

[@ipoopevrydayokjkjjk4179]

Are you doing good? I heard the news.

[@ashton_gaming8670]

Pacer 143’s and 144’s are fine they aren’t a problem but 142’s are just hell to ride.

[@Skoda130]

Takes a while for episode 2 to come online huh?

[@JohnHigh]

I work a full 9-5 job, and I also run a small indie record label, so I don’t have much energy afterwards lol

[@coolboy6399]

The pacers in wales are quite comfortable the seats are like normal trains but yet they are squeaky

[@jamiestrains]

Have u gon on a pacer to omskirk but when it goes past my house it makes a track joint

[@railwaycentral2350]

I have, a nice little line it is. Im sure the remaining Jointed Track will be replaced in a few years, making it less noisy. 150s run on that line now.

[@jozefchodorowski5403]

Do a video about the Old thameslink trans

[@scottisha1x]

One like = one pacer scrapped

[@sem49]

and turned into D78 Srock

[@davidjatt3251]

oh yeah I forgot how slow they are off the mark, havent been on one in so long.

[@zodsmuffin2369]

I sin one of the so-called new future trains broken down at St Helens

[@inkbendy7313]

Me to at wigan

[@Great_WesternTVFan]

Somebody should make a Vyond grounded series based on the class 142 pacer trains

[@georgethomson111]

No hate against the pacers, however i do understand people's opinions. Each version stays in business until it can go no more and then the modernisation kicks in. Pacers should be part of railway history I should think.

[@1BarnetTE.]

At 0:15 it is a Class 323 not a 142/143/144. Is it still a pacer?

[@JohnHigh]

I only really used the 323 for illustrative purposes. It was facing the exact direction I was after during editing, as I wanted to match the image of the bus I used just beforehand :)

[@J3ssAkar1n3ko]

John High,that is where I live

[@officiallynrgxlr8tr]

im gonna go against the grain and say this: if it solved british rail's money problem, which meant saving it from other service cuts, and if they're mostly phased out of service and replaced by other trains, they might be the best trains ever made. sure, it was shit, but it did the job of both transporting passengers and saving british rail.

[@JetDom767]

As someone who goes to Newcastle on one of these pieces of dog shit on a regular basis (Not by choice either it's either that or pay £7 on the bus), they really are showing signs of age I had one cut out resulting in the driver coasting the unit into Newcastle and having to switch them to a 156 to complete the journey to the Metrocentre. From what I have heard once we get our refurbs and the Pacers are turned into Coke cans, Heaton will be allocated 158s to run the connect service to Carlisle while the majority of 156s currently allocated to Heaton from what I can gather will be allocated to Newton Heath. Don't think Newcastle will see these new trains at all newest we will see is a 158 or at a push a 170. Pacers are uncomfortable noisy things that should have been turned to razor blades ten years ago at least!

[@bombadilian]

They did the job they were designed to do for longer than they were designed to do it. People just love whinging.

[@JohnHigh]

Absolutely agree, but that doesn't mean they weren't a bit naff. Went above and beyond what they were initially built for, but you have to agree that the new Class 195s are long overdue and are a far better, and longer-term investment.

[@Gruftkriecher]

Exactly! Who gives a fuck about people with strollers, elderly people, generally mobility impaired people or even people in a wheelchair as long as this abominations perfectly meet the design criteria? Who cares the design requirements were shit in the first place? And no, demanding trains to be accessible for people with an impairment is definitely not whinging.

[@bombadilian]

@@Gruftkriecher I totally understand your point but is that not more down to the TOCs not making appropriate modifications to them rather than the units themselves?

[@martinpattison4018]

They can iron out the faults. Yes, they were made for short distance travel and they were made with cheap pairs like the seats. There is nothing that can not be changed and it would cost less money to do it then spent tax-payers money on buying Trains built somewhere else. I am not a train traveller and I work in a different country. Why? Who in Great Britain or Northern Ireland is going to offer a job to a 63-year-old? Simple answer: Nobody. I still have to work for a living for the next three years. Martin. (Dhaka, Bangladesh.)

[@brucelamberton8819]

And to think that southerners complain about how "bad" their rail services are!

[@a4yster]

Icarus had some experiments of making their buses into passenger rail cars/

[@routemaster3877]

livivng near a line that has 144s on it is painful you can hear them a mile awayc]

[@peerlessbreton7182]

Man I have to ride these things all the time. SCREW THEM! I'm glad they're getting replaced now