The WW2 Double-Magazine MP40/I

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The MP40/I was an experimental modification of the MP-40 submachine gun developed by the Erma company (we think) in late 1942. It was presumably developed in response to complaints of Soviet fire superiority with SMGs because of their large drum magazines (and also the larger number of SMGs used by the Soviet forces compared to German units).
The concept is a pretty simple one - the regular magazine housing was replaced by a much wider housing with a sliding block that held two separate standard magazines. One of the two magazines would always be positioned where it could feed and fire, and when that magazine was empty the shooter could simply slide the block to one side and move the second (still full) magazine into position to fire. The prevented the need to fish around in a slow magazine pouch to find a new magazine when a reload was needed.
However, there were several disadvantages to the dual magazine system. For one thing, an MP-40 with two full magazines hanging off it becomes quite the heavy and poorly-balanced weapon to handle and carry. The additional open areas required for the sliding block were much more prone to gather dirt and foul than the standard gun, and the extra weight on the relatively thin receiver tube often contributed to creases or other damage to the magazine well and ejection port areas of the gun, rendering them unusable. The large amount of m metal removed from the receiver tube also left it much more vulnerable to bending than a standard MP40.
Only a small number of these guns were ever made (around the middle of 1943), and very, very few survive today. They were made form preexisting gun retrofitted, and do not appear have comprised any specific serial number block. In addition to the magazine housing, the conversion process also involved slightly shortening the ejector and reshaping the bottom of the buttplate so that it would clear the new magazine release catches.
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@grahamnelson203
@grahamnelson203 5 жыл бұрын
Life before duct tape required a whole lot of engineering.
@kabob0077
@kabob0077 5 жыл бұрын
Except there was duct tape during this time, they just didn't think to use it for more than just sealing boxes.
@AsbestosMuffins
@AsbestosMuffins 5 жыл бұрын
other tapes were available...
@anthonyvigil7567
@anthonyvigil7567 5 жыл бұрын
G Nelson That’s funny you say that because the Germans actually had a very low supply of rubber and oil they didn’t even have enough to fill their vehicles.. and there was duck taped back then the United States military used to have a ton of green ducted tape
@Govanmauler
@Govanmauler 5 жыл бұрын
@@JohnSmith-wo2qp well that got real dark real fast
@SomeGunNerd
@SomeGunNerd 5 жыл бұрын
@@JohnSmith-wo2qp Thanks, I hate that image.
@pizzerinoitaliano3049
@pizzerinoitaliano3049 5 жыл бұрын
They call it *MP80*
@DarkKatzy013
@DarkKatzy013 5 жыл бұрын
😂💕 lol best one yet.
@jacobjordan7644
@jacobjordan7644 5 жыл бұрын
Sheeet. Mp64....😑🙄
@fleetadmiral5938
@fleetadmiral5938 5 жыл бұрын
uranus is mine no
@xenuvelo64
@xenuvelo64 4 жыл бұрын
a squad carrying these is called an mp320
@smokestack3327
@smokestack3327 4 жыл бұрын
XenuVelo QUICK HANS CALL IN THE 320th
@AkosJaccik
@AkosJaccik 5 жыл бұрын
Germany at war. Army: "We have a problem." Industry: "Alright, here is a solution." Army: "...this did not solve my problem at all." Industry: "Maybe, but check out the quality of the machining!"
@ad220588
@ad220588 5 жыл бұрын
I thought it was very stupid that the US Army did not equip their soldiers in the Korean War with German assault rifles. They were lying around en masse in Germany. The STG 44 would have been a lifesaver
@nrw64
@nrw64 5 жыл бұрын
@@ad220588 U forget the korean war was only 5 years after ww2. A german weapon use after ww2 as a American solider would be a scandal. Sry because my english. Ich weiß nicht ob du Deutsch kannst, aber wir waren halt die besiegten. Ihr stolz war einfach nur zu groß. Gottseidank meiner Meinung nach. Wenn sie das STG 44 kopiert hätten wäre es nichts besonderes mehr gewesen. Bsp ak47. Und Mauser wurde ja nach dem zweiten weltkrieg aufgelöst viele gingen danach nach h&k. H&k darauf hin Verbesserte das STG 44 daraus entstand ja auch letzten Endes das g3 + mp5 und daraus das g36, welche hochangesehene Waffen sind. Die ganze Debatte dass das G36 schlecht schießen soll finde ich sowieso unsinnig.
@ad220588
@ad220588 5 жыл бұрын
F.B.I. So the American military would probably have been pretty painless in using German „Firepower“
@hailexiao2770
@hailexiao2770 5 жыл бұрын
@@ad220588 Nobody making spare parts and 8x33mm ammo would make that a poor idea at best. The best course of action would have been getting rid of .30 caliber supremacism, adopting Enfield's EM-2 and pressing it into service ASAP.
@greybayles7955
@greybayles7955 5 жыл бұрын
@@ad220588 Maybe, but a lot of Korean War vets were also WW2 vets, and i dont think theyd be thrilled being issues Nazi-made weaponry that murdered millions of their brothers in arms. Adopting an assault rifle at that point may have been a good idea though.
@superbun277
@superbun277 5 жыл бұрын
Leave it to the Germans to over-engineer an alternative to duct-taping a couple of mags together...
@AJPDing
@AJPDing 5 жыл бұрын
That's exactly what I was thinking.
@SamuelDPyke
@SamuelDPyke 5 жыл бұрын
@@FirstnameLastname-py3bc At least we don't vote Trump!
@gulkash1188
@gulkash1188 5 жыл бұрын
Classic German design
@FirstnameLastname-py3bc
@FirstnameLastname-py3bc 5 жыл бұрын
Back then duck tape existed?
@AlexanderTrefz
@AlexanderTrefz 5 жыл бұрын
Nothing about this is over-engineered - this is a totally simple and trivial implementation, with clear benefits over taping 2 mags together.
@sbeckett91
@sbeckett91 5 жыл бұрын
These old guns were so much more creative and quirky than modern firearms. Forgotten Weapons 2050 gonna be like, "I'm Ian, here's another AR-pistol from 2019."
@Ruhrpottpatriot
@Ruhrpottpatriot 5 жыл бұрын
There are many interesting firearms out there nowadays, but they all get drowned in yet another AR-15 ripoff.
@C10-l1m
@C10-l1m 5 жыл бұрын
Ian jr.
@AldanFerrox
@AldanFerrox 5 жыл бұрын
@@Ruhrpottpatriot Future Ian will probably review guns like the Hudson pistol or the the SilencerCo Maxim 9.
@Ruhrpottpatriot
@Ruhrpottpatriot 5 жыл бұрын
@@AldanFerrox Yeah probably. Tbh. I think that the second amendment in the US is destroying gun culture. If availability were lower, prices would be higher and good developers could actually do stuff instead of pumping out yet another AR clone because the system is dirt cheap.
@blackwoodsecurity531
@blackwoodsecurity531 5 жыл бұрын
There's a few places that run classy "cowboy" gun comps and the only guns allowed are limited to a certain range of velocities to bring them down to 1800's levels of effectiveness. So you see a lot of people hand loading rounds for single actions, and modifying parts and purchasing different rifling to meet different accuracy standards from over a hundred years ago. Just as well, a limited culture doesn't necessarily mean more interesting designs. We live in the age of plateaued design, and information. There are loads of nations where the populace doesn't have any real gun rights and the last weapon produced that could be considered unique is just another bullpup with the parts in different places or an amalgalm of different pre-existing designs.
@darkodjogo96
@darkodjogo96 5 жыл бұрын
Everyone else: it is over-engineered. Germans: how do you mean OVER engineered?
@rvanhees89
@rvanhees89 5 жыл бұрын
Germans: we like to call it ÜBER engineerd
@mariosebastiani3214
@mariosebastiani3214 5 жыл бұрын
It is under-engineered. They modified the lower part of the gun... ok, I'll see myself out.
@Spectral_Penguin
@Spectral_Penguin 5 жыл бұрын
If as Ian suggests there is a genuine risk of bending at the mag well then it is under engineered, just over designed.
5 жыл бұрын
darko djogo - Everybody but the Swiss. To them that is minimalistic.
@darkodjogo96
@darkodjogo96 5 жыл бұрын
@ yup, for CH it"s rude, crude and underengineered, pure improvisation.
@trekaddict
@trekaddict 5 жыл бұрын
Problem: SMGs need more ammo per. Russians: Tapes two mags together. Americans: Issues more SMGs. Brits: Makes mags cheaper/gun fire slower. Germans: Builds this
@charlesadams1721
@charlesadams1721 5 жыл бұрын
The Russians just built more subguns to give to the human wave troops. The American pretty much stayed with what was had. The Germans? The designed an entirely new class of firearm to largely replace the subgun.
@scumroyalsgaming
@scumroyalsgaming 5 жыл бұрын
japanese: put bajonettes on SMGs
@taninsam7893
@taninsam7893 5 жыл бұрын
@@scumroyalsgaming I am pretty sure the japanese during wwii would have added a bayonet to anything including a grenade if they could
@AsbestosMuffins
@AsbestosMuffins 5 жыл бұрын
"Germans could have won WW2 with just this 1 trick!"
@EstellammaSS
@EstellammaSS 5 жыл бұрын
Charles Adams the Russians built the best sub gun during the war, no need to switch things up
@connormclernon26
@connormclernon26 5 жыл бұрын
Gee MP-40, how come your army lets you have 2 magazines?
@ToastytheG
@ToastytheG 5 жыл бұрын
MP-40 magazines are straight, never curved! Always separated, never in drums!
@sebekglab
@sebekglab 5 жыл бұрын
Connor McLernon Duct tape is not avievible to germans in ww2
@VaterOrlaag
@VaterOrlaag 5 жыл бұрын
Always interesting to hear about weapons used by Pixelated Germany.
@youshouldsuicide
@youshouldsuicide 5 жыл бұрын
Well if people see a swaztika they'll explode
@youshouldsuicide
@youshouldsuicide 5 жыл бұрын
Oh wait nothing will happen
@lancekilkenny721
@lancekilkenny721 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah I caught that and it pissed me off. Its part of history people.
@moelll
@moelll 5 жыл бұрын
@@lancekilkenny721 but history will trigger emotionally weak snowflakes though...🙄
@yaboil7774
@yaboil7774 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah the graphics weren't as advanced back then so everything looked like that.
@PaperworkNinja
@PaperworkNinja 5 жыл бұрын
Erma Engineer: "I was going to go about designing a usable drum magazine for the MP40, but then the panzershockolade kicked in..."
@ernstschmidt4725
@ernstschmidt4725 5 жыл бұрын
i can't believe they actually named meth as tank chocolate. and i thought schokakola was strong stuff.
@grahamlopez6202
@grahamlopez6202 5 жыл бұрын
Der stukapillen
@stevencohen1311
@stevencohen1311 5 жыл бұрын
Blitzchokolade
@klobiforpresident2254
@klobiforpresident2254 5 жыл бұрын
@@grahamlopez6202 It's "die" in Plural, always. "Pille" just so happens to require it in singular as well (and for compound nouns the gender always is that of the last word).
@grahamlopez6202
@grahamlopez6202 5 жыл бұрын
@@klobiforpresident2254 plural? What, do you think I'm a man MADE of amphetamines?! You get one.
@SKARA101
@SKARA101 5 жыл бұрын
Red Orchestra 2 upgrade
@animalxINSTINCT89
@animalxINSTINCT89 5 жыл бұрын
Now if they could just upgrade the entire game to be as good as 1...
@dusk6159
@dusk6159 5 жыл бұрын
Oh I didn't remember wrong so, very nice
@Cplblue
@Cplblue 5 жыл бұрын
@@Antigonus. I got plenty of downvotes on Steam by saying RO 1 was superior to RO 2. RO 2 came out with so many corridor shooting-like maps. Tanks don't really play much of a role in combined arms combat. Damn shame :/
@rvanhees89
@rvanhees89 5 жыл бұрын
Your comment beat me to it hahaha
@taninsam7893
@taninsam7893 5 жыл бұрын
@@Antigonus. my only 2 issues with 1 were how slow you are and how it felt sluggish. RO2 should have had usable Paks and Panzerfausts like its predecessor.
@timothyissler3815
@timothyissler3815 5 жыл бұрын
My brain: “why not make it double-barrelled while we’re at it?”
@joshglover2370
@joshglover2370 5 жыл бұрын
That would be bad ass! I want one of those double barrel ARs! 😀
@nicholasholloway8743
@nicholasholloway8743 5 жыл бұрын
Josh Glover lol, mp 40 is an smg
@joshglover2370
@joshglover2370 5 жыл бұрын
@@nicholasholloway8743 Yes I understand that. I was talking about 2 different things.
@kritische3959
@kritische3959 4 жыл бұрын
Josh Glover We’re talking about SMGs
@borisdorofeev5602
@borisdorofeev5602 3 жыл бұрын
There is a double barreled AK-47. It is glorious
@andrewmandrona7891
@andrewmandrona7891 5 жыл бұрын
"You should try double-feed magazines, they're much more user-friendly" "Double magazine it is then" "Close enough"
@nemanume
@nemanume 5 жыл бұрын
A bigger or a drum magazine would have solved the problem.
@bamboozlednoodle6513
@bamboozlednoodle6513 5 жыл бұрын
“Hey fam we need more ammo per MP40” “Maybe a drum mag?” *exec ripping a line of coke* “Fuck it let’s just add another magazine”
@austin_bennett
@austin_bennett 5 жыл бұрын
Russia * has drum mags * Germany: "we need more ammo!" Mad scientist: "WHAT IF WE PUT 2 MAGS TOGETHER!" Germany: *"we'll take it!"*
@seanseanston
@seanseanston 5 жыл бұрын
"You know those MP40s that are like, double MP40s, you know?"
@alvaroasi
@alvaroasi 5 жыл бұрын
It was too early to manufacture a triple or quad-staked magazine.
@austin_bennett
@austin_bennett 5 жыл бұрын
@@alvaroasi too early or too ambitious?
@mikekemp9877
@mikekemp9877 5 жыл бұрын
i cannot see that swapping mags as normal takes anymore time than this complicated maneuver!as many here have said taping two together was just as effective! instead of all this engineering to no real purpose it never occured to them to make a double feed magazine.
@austin_bennett
@austin_bennett 5 жыл бұрын
@@mikekemp9877 I don't either, I just said this as a joke because they literally had numerous options to go with: drum mags of various sizes, extended clips (to an extent), mags taped together or an impractical contraption that adds complexity that isn't needed. Despite the flaws & drawbacks you'd think a drum mag would have been the 1st choice after all the ppsh had one & German engendering was surely able to make a relatively reliable drum mag so this contraption seems completely unnecessary but it would make for a unique attachment for a WW2 shooter game like battlefield or Call of Duty
@darkgrilden5
@darkgrilden5 5 жыл бұрын
When the next match is on Dome
@rafox66
@rafox66 5 жыл бұрын
But the PPSh is better
@justinkrieger1559
@justinkrieger1559 4 жыл бұрын
add stopping power and victory is assured
@Quick_footy1
@Quick_footy1 3 жыл бұрын
@@justinkrieger1559 Real SS Honor Guards use Double Tap
@TherealTenmanI
@TherealTenmanI 5 жыл бұрын
"A video game thing" How dare you attack me so personally.... ... Red orchestra 2 was awesome.
@wisemankugelmemicus1701
@wisemankugelmemicus1701 5 жыл бұрын
TherealTenman ‘83 is gonna kick ass
@WhattAreYouSaying
@WhattAreYouSaying 4 жыл бұрын
Red Orchestra 2 is still awesome.
@williamjeffery9653
@williamjeffery9653 5 жыл бұрын
And who says the Germans don't have a sense of humor? "HANZ! I hav run out of ze ammo!" "Slide ze magazine Franz." "Oh ja, I'm guud now."
@ad220588
@ad220588 5 жыл бұрын
Had the US Army used STG 44 assault rifles from Hanz during the Korean War, then Joe would have survived the war there. ;)
@the_snoo_muffin9028
@the_snoo_muffin9028 5 жыл бұрын
WaW MP40 gang where y’all at?
@ArcturusOTE
@ArcturusOTE 5 жыл бұрын
Not actually WAW but Medal of Honor Airborne player reporting in, got my ceremonial bayonets ready
@kotbeutel4318
@kotbeutel4318 5 жыл бұрын
I am german its my gang
@bomric1788
@bomric1788 5 жыл бұрын
In jail where yall belong
@infamouswolf5584
@infamouswolf5584 5 жыл бұрын
I was more of a type 100 guy
@kabob0077
@kabob0077 5 жыл бұрын
@@AtrociousAK47 Why use that when rifle is fine? *Cradles bayoneted Arisaka*
@sandrobruni7575
@sandrobruni7575 5 жыл бұрын
World at War MP40 dual mag 😳 I can respect the hell out of Treyarch for actually putting research into this
@theblitz6838
@theblitz6838 2 жыл бұрын
Red Orchestra 2 were first, one of THE BEST WW2 games I've ever played. PTSD simulator 2 would be a more appropriate name.
@jeremeymcdude
@jeremeymcdude Жыл бұрын
too bad it doesn't work like it would in real life. you'd have a slight delay after 32 to swap to the next mag and have a longer reload at the end. still cool that they actually modelled it correctly tho
@leshatcatski5089
@leshatcatski5089 5 жыл бұрын
I love how Ian now says "PePeSha" like a true Russian :o]
@yanot80
@yanot80 5 жыл бұрын
Well, that’s not exactly true. There’s no such vowel as “Э” in English alphabet, which is kinda deep “E” from the word “ten”, so it still doesn’t sound exactly right 😁 We pronounce it as PэРэSha lol.
@leshatcatski5089
@leshatcatski5089 5 жыл бұрын
@@yanot80 Знаю, но всё же звучит гораздо ближе к оригиналу, чем ПиПиэСэйч :о]
@yanot80
@yanot80 5 жыл бұрын
@@leshatcatski5089 ну да, тут соглы.
@tavish4699
@tavish4699 4 жыл бұрын
@@yanot80 in German we have ä which is the same
@Bagster321
@Bagster321 5 жыл бұрын
Does it come free with the juggernaut perk?
@kainezilla3688
@kainezilla3688 5 жыл бұрын
“Frahkensteen” is a joke on so many levels here
@Skelosk
@Skelosk 5 жыл бұрын
Liked the Young Frankenstein reference
@KenMabie
@KenMabie 5 жыл бұрын
Not really ... It's only on one level... A reference to the movie Young Frankenstein...
@vulekv93
@vulekv93 5 жыл бұрын
@@KenMabie and the whole stain/stein dillema, like Berenstain/Berenstein bears
@mlhkb
@mlhkb 5 жыл бұрын
@@KenMabie Well that 'steen' is how you would expect it to be pronounced as a Jewish-American name... in reference to a Nazi German gun lmao
@centurian318
@centurian318 5 жыл бұрын
Ken Mabie Abby Normal?!?
@Ak1M1223
@Ak1M1223 5 жыл бұрын
Hmm, played redorchestra for a long time and second mag was 90% always used in intense moments as a backup.
@ОлегКозлов-ю9т
@ОлегКозлов-ю9т 5 жыл бұрын
Yep, when you have time you can just reload one of them. That's not the point tho, I guess added weight and clumsiness are more important
@montesguitar
@montesguitar 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah this seems kind of like a magazine cutoff semi-solution similar to how bolt-actions were used before. Then as a backup you had the second one already loaded in the gun.
@incapableunicorn8252
@incapableunicorn8252 5 жыл бұрын
Engineers: "What do you need to be more effective on the battlefield?" Soldiers around the world, through history of mankind regardless of nationality and borders: "MOAR DAKKA!"
@sjoak4084
@sjoak4084 5 жыл бұрын
Wehrmacht: How heavy will these new smgs be? (Probably) Erma: Yes
@Vulvaetix
@Vulvaetix 5 жыл бұрын
SJOAK 408 underrated comment
@TRichardsBlades
@TRichardsBlades 5 жыл бұрын
Seems like making a drum mag for the MP40 would have been a much easier solution
@armvex
@armvex 5 жыл бұрын
They had snail magazine but there was a problem.
@hjorturerlend
@hjorturerlend 5 жыл бұрын
Or, you know, duct tape.
@mandernachluca3774
@mandernachluca3774 5 жыл бұрын
Drum mags generally are less reliable, you won't see much use of them in the real world.
@ArcturusOTE
@ArcturusOTE 5 жыл бұрын
Or just copy the Lanchesters' 50 round stick mag, problem is do the Germans even know that exists and happen to steal enough copies of it to be... Well, copied?
@Kumimono
@Kumimono 5 жыл бұрын
@@mandernachluca3774 They're pretty good, if built by Finns.
@ToMeTheFool
@ToMeTheFool 5 жыл бұрын
"It's a great sort of video game thing," said Ian, as I booted up Red Orchestra 2 to play with the MP40/I
@DaiwaMaster
@DaiwaMaster 5 жыл бұрын
When you take a second to think about it, these firearms from WW2 that are still so contemporary in our minds and in some cases like this one, looking brand new, are actuallly almost 80 years old. Of all the way tech, small arms are the ones that never saw that super fast paced evolution, unlike vehicles, aircrafts, comms, armour, optics, etc. It's amazing.
@thorbjrnsuther6540
@thorbjrnsuther6540 5 жыл бұрын
Oh dear god this thing.
@themightyspoon9641
@themightyspoon9641 5 жыл бұрын
Damn I’ve seen this before on Call of Duty world at war, was a beast
@liamdahlgren5144
@liamdahlgren5144 5 жыл бұрын
I've never met the MP-40/I in w@w
@RoadRager1904
@RoadRager1904 5 жыл бұрын
...though in game it was treated just as a large 64 round mag, not 2 32 round mags. You reload after firing 64 rounds, not 32, swap to the other mag and continue firing, and then reload both. Shame, would be a way to nerf it in multiplayer.
@liamdahlgren5144
@liamdahlgren5144 5 жыл бұрын
@Eye Patch Guy oh. Ok
@user-ns3vs3bp3e
@user-ns3vs3bp3e 5 жыл бұрын
We need more ammo per reload on our smg’s. Everybody else: drum mags or longer stick mags Germans: but what if we massively over engineer this instead...
@jakobholgersson4400
@jakobholgersson4400 5 жыл бұрын
IMO, this is under-engineered. If they would've made some funky bolt that would intermittently take a bullet out of two magazines, then this would've been fantastic. None of the problems with drum magazines, nor the issues with massively long stick mags. This looks like the manufacturer didn't want to waste the time of any of their engineers, so they asked the janitor to just throw something together.
@CThyran
@CThyran 4 жыл бұрын
@@jakobholgersson4400 It's over engineered because this entire system boils down to having two mags that you switch between and it's much easier to either tape or clip two mags together.
@Animotion3D
@Animotion3D 3 жыл бұрын
D U C T T A P E
@kainezilla3688
@kainezilla3688 5 жыл бұрын
Ah yes the best weapon in World at War
@kennethledger1671
@kennethledger1671 5 жыл бұрын
I remember learning about this variant while in middle school… I had more free time then I needed
@828enigma6
@828enigma6 5 жыл бұрын
Where did you go to school? A military school?
@RMMLz
@RMMLz 5 жыл бұрын
Than*. That's why you had so much free time.
@punchmo
@punchmo 5 жыл бұрын
mortimer snerd Ian V. Hogg’s book?
@punchmo
@punchmo 5 жыл бұрын
george spear The C. B. Colby books? I loved those.
@MatheusPratta
@MatheusPratta 5 жыл бұрын
Engineers: We made it so you can remove the mag housing from the gun. Germans: Why one would do this? Engineers: I don't know. - A few years later - Germans: We need larger mags in our SMG Engineers: Hold my bier
@Duharharhar
@Duharharhar 5 жыл бұрын
Reloading the empty magazine after sliding in the new one is effectively just using one magazine. Unless you have an assistant gunner... 🤔
@VikingTeddy
@VikingTeddy 5 жыл бұрын
The extra mag would only be used in an emergency. You'd still load after every 32 shots.
@ericcosta92
@ericcosta92 5 жыл бұрын
One day ill have the disposable income to be able to afford something this cool and rare. Till then, I continue to live vicariously through Ian's videos.
@thatwhichbinds1727
@thatwhichbinds1727 5 жыл бұрын
More bang for your buck, literally.
@bebop_557
@bebop_557 5 жыл бұрын
"The Germans thought the Soviets had better SMGs, the Soviets though the Germans had better SMGs." Fellas, we can reach an agreement: the Finnish had the best SMGs
@thetomatoking9714
@thetomatoking9714 5 жыл бұрын
Finns and Italians led the game imo. The Beretta Model 38 is underrated, as is the Suomi.
@bebop_557
@bebop_557 5 жыл бұрын
@@thetomatoking9714 Spaghetti Uzis are the best SMGs
@bigsmoke8816
@bigsmoke8816 5 жыл бұрын
Im so early, the Germans still have a chance at winning World War II
@alphatheone5674
@alphatheone5674 5 жыл бұрын
Nice
@AldanFerrox
@AldanFerrox 5 жыл бұрын
Which means never?
@bigsmoke8816
@bigsmoke8816 5 жыл бұрын
@@thehikerboy1 yup
@johannesdolch
@johannesdolch 4 жыл бұрын
2:38 Fun Fact: The German Pronunciation of the "stein" in Frankenstein actually more closely resembles the first (English) version than the second version. Also your pronunciation of "Franken", was almost correct, good job.
@Ingsoc75
@Ingsoc75 5 жыл бұрын
I'm interested to see how much this fetches at the end. 1. It's a German WW2 weapon 2. A German WW2 experimental weapon 3. It's an NFA transferable MG
@anthonyvigil7567
@anthonyvigil7567 5 жыл бұрын
Why didn’t they just quad stack and lengthen the magazines?
@ernstschmidt4725
@ernstschmidt4725 5 жыл бұрын
you're talking about german engineers. that would be too crude
@MILITARY-TUBE
@MILITARY-TUBE 5 жыл бұрын
Germans are able complicate everything. Couldn't they simply couple two mags by a tape? Probably better that they did not :)
@alangliniak9514
@alangliniak9514 5 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see a mag change on the clock vs a standard mp40. I kind of doubt this saved much if any time. Especially if you continue the timer to a third magazine.
@VikingTeddy
@VikingTeddy 5 жыл бұрын
You'd only use the extra mag when needed. You'd still reload after 32 shots.
@Scoobz187
@Scoobz187 5 жыл бұрын
What about taking 4 slides, and 8 magazines? Put 3 slides in an open pouch, shoot Nr 1 and 2, pull slide out off gun, grab new slide out off pouch and insert. Ready.
@frederik5991
@frederik5991 5 жыл бұрын
The sweeds built a quad stack magazine for their m/37 Suomi smgs.
@vvvppp6021
@vvvppp6021 5 жыл бұрын
Deja-Vu someone? i think i saw this same video the last year....
@sleepyrasta420
@sleepyrasta420 5 жыл бұрын
Me too
@FrankKitteh
@FrankKitteh 5 жыл бұрын
yeah, a revisit to the "MP80"; this is a different specimen found in the wild.
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 5 жыл бұрын
That gun was not original; this one is and has several different details as a result.
@vvvppp6021
@vvvppp6021 5 жыл бұрын
@@ForgottenWeapons Thanks you for the answer Ian! Cheers from Panamá!
@viktorbimmel4007
@viktorbimmel4007 5 жыл бұрын
Why didnt they just design high cap magazines? That would have given everyone with an unmodified MP40 the higher capacity. This construction is stupid on so many levels.
@punchmo
@punchmo 5 жыл бұрын
I immediately thought of the crate in A Christmas Story: “Frageelee”
@Ingsoc75
@Ingsoc75 5 жыл бұрын
It's a major award and must mean Italian!
@KallegrandStudios
@KallegrandStudios 4 жыл бұрын
As cool as it is and as I like that german engineering....would it not have been easier to simply, you know, produce drum magazines...? You know, instead of producing new parts and almost creating a different sub machine gun, then if the gun would have been adopted, having to issue the new system in the field during a world war. Whereas with the drum magazine option, it would probably be cheaper, faster to design and test and much easier to issue.
@paulbrennan75
@paulbrennan75 5 жыл бұрын
I was literally just thinking the other day about when you would have this on the channel and lo and behold
@januseri
@januseri 5 жыл бұрын
This would be much better if you had multiple double magazines. No disadvantage of every other reload being much slower.
@galenw2339
@galenw2339 5 жыл бұрын
It’s my taste in silly guns like these why I will probably die with $.05 in my account and a $5 million dollar collection.
@yoface2537
@yoface2537 2 ай бұрын
Imagine modifying this so that you could reload the magazine not in use with a stripper clip and operating it like a crew served heavy machine gun
@ArchieKeen1
@ArchieKeen1 5 жыл бұрын
You might has well of taped 2 magazines together
@PitchBlackYeti
@PitchBlackYeti 5 жыл бұрын
1. too simple to be German :D 2. did Germany actually have duct-tape in WW2?
@ArchieKeen1
@ArchieKeen1 5 жыл бұрын
PitchBlackYeti how could I forget it must be an over engineered solution lol
@BOB-wx3fq
@BOB-wx3fq 4 жыл бұрын
This is a microcosm of why Germany lost
@njones420
@njones420 5 жыл бұрын
"a few millimeters" ... I think Ian is turning metric. Welcome aboard!
@MidnightSvn
@MidnightSvn 5 жыл бұрын
ah he is coming out. as metric
@JCGver
@JCGver 4 жыл бұрын
Well it's good to see an american embracing the metric system further than the 9mm
@Jixxor
@Jixxor 5 жыл бұрын
I cant believe they really created this thing instead of taping together two magazines lol Also, couldnt they have designed a drum magazine themselves if they envied the soviets so much?
@Axemantitan
@Axemantitan 5 жыл бұрын
0:54 Yet, as we all know, the Italians had the best submachine gun in the Beretta 38A.
@jmantime
@jmantime 5 жыл бұрын
all they had to do make a drum magazine for the MP-40 , problem solved.
@CThyran
@CThyran 5 жыл бұрын
@Merc Kitsuné Quad stack
@rinoz47
@rinoz47 5 жыл бұрын
Didnt you cover this before...? E: ah yep.
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 5 жыл бұрын
Which I explain at the end of the video.
@augustopinochet2495
@augustopinochet2495 5 жыл бұрын
Weren't the Germans already having trouble issuing enough magazines as it was? Who's idea was this
@kage_tactical
@kage_tactical 5 жыл бұрын
Drum mag: "Am I a joke to you?"
@hdexotic1914
@hdexotic1914 3 жыл бұрын
germany was too focused on making wonder weapons instead of logistics, that’s exactly why they lost the war, wonder weapons don’t win wars, logistics do.
@TheRumbles13
@TheRumbles13 5 жыл бұрын
I caught the Mel Brooks hint Ian! Bravo
@gwaters8067
@gwaters8067 5 жыл бұрын
That's rare, an advert Ian's video!!
@somuchnope2
@somuchnope2 Жыл бұрын
I always saw the larger magwell in older CoD games and wondered what they based that off of! Cool that it's not entirely imagined even if it's not really an extended magazine
@Tizzandor
@Tizzandor 5 жыл бұрын
my (german) Mind went immediately to how you can improve this and make a sort of "addon" Mag holder piece with a spacer inbetween, that keeps 2 mags together at the perfect distance, so you can still use the normal mp40 magazines and reload them the same way by taking them out and putting another double stack back in again basicaly reload 2 mags at the same time edit: maybe even with a latch, that can be used to press both mag release buttons at the same time
@bentuovila5296
@bentuovila5296 5 жыл бұрын
Redi mag for the AR made something that sounds like that.
@Scoobz187
@Scoobz187 5 жыл бұрын
You dont have too. Just take slide with the two empty mags out and put another slide with two full mags in.
@Tizzandor
@Tizzandor 5 жыл бұрын
@@Scoobz187 i know, but that's not overengeneered enough
@AJPDing
@AJPDing 5 жыл бұрын
You zee Hanz, when engineering you are more likley to make ze wunderwaffen if use panzerschokolade... observe.
@Anthony-bs5ov
@Anthony-bs5ov 5 жыл бұрын
As a soldier, I would appreciate the fact that I can switch to the 2nd mag, then replace the empty one when Im able, without ever having to put the weapon in a vulnerable state. Vs just have a 70 round drum mag.
@entropy11
@entropy11 5 жыл бұрын
I think if there was ever doctrine produced for this, you'd basically keep a reserve magazine for emergencies and otherwise operate and load it one at a time like a regular MP40.
@nemanume
@nemanume 5 жыл бұрын
They should have made a drum magazine.
@wisemankugelmemicus1701
@wisemankugelmemicus1701 5 жыл бұрын
Dropit I was gonna say MP-41 but..no. No they didn’t.
@h.a.b1125
@h.a.b1125 5 жыл бұрын
If you used this back in 2008 in WaW, you’re a bastard.
@eran2896
@eran2896 5 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised they didn't try to come up with a way for the mags to slide themselves over
@Kaktus965
@Kaktus965 7 ай бұрын
Larry Potterfield’s smile is extremely annoying to me…..
@pguth98
@pguth98 5 жыл бұрын
This is both impressively ingenious, and hilariously terrible.
@rykerreese1295
@rykerreese1295 5 жыл бұрын
maybe you just replaced the slider with both mags for a new slider with 2 new mags
@alanmaclaren4118
@alanmaclaren4118 5 жыл бұрын
When you can’t afford MG 42
@leoneamastra2353
@leoneamastra2353 5 жыл бұрын
If this exists then a drum mag M1 garand does
@Abby_Normal_1969
@Abby_Normal_1969 5 жыл бұрын
I love the Young Frankenstein reference...as my handle would indicate.
@casbot71
@casbot71 5 жыл бұрын
No matter your opinion on the concept, you have to admit that is a beautiful steampunk looking creation. The colours of the metal, the grooves and curves. It just looks like it's from Bioshock or some fan art.
@redharlaw2782
@redharlaw2782 5 жыл бұрын
It’s “Frankensteeen!”
@warrenlehmkuhleii8472
@warrenlehmkuhleii8472 4 жыл бұрын
Rex Law “I beg your pardon?” “My name it is pronounced Fra-kin-steen.”
@RoBoVader
@RoBoVader 4 жыл бұрын
Or you could just tape two magazines together...
@mikepokorny2835
@mikepokorny2835 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Ian, you showcased this (or) a similar one years ago. My question is: Is this MP40 config "common" or a sort of prototype stage of a MP40 that never was?
@davidgrossdg74
@davidgrossdg74 5 жыл бұрын
Mike Drölf I pretty sure he did, I was thinking the same thing
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 5 жыл бұрын
I explain the repeat at the end of the video. These are extremely rare.
@bluebirdanimationsinc.9933
@bluebirdanimationsinc.9933 4 жыл бұрын
Allies gansta until the germans invent a more ammo MP-40
@JonatasAdoM
@JonatasAdoM 5 жыл бұрын
Russians: My SMG has more ammunition than yours! Germans: It's not the magazine size that counts, but how you use it Also Germans:
@boxfoxreyes9950
@boxfoxreyes9950 4 жыл бұрын
Americans: screw it tape two mags together
@imvisier9925
@imvisier9925 3 жыл бұрын
Actually I can see this having been particularly useful. After having read many memoirs of german soldiers on the eastern front, the way russian attacks on german positions were carried out was almost comical, with russians litterally pilling in waves after waves, and the germans having to shoot everyone dead to the last bullet. In fact, on one account it is mentioned that after a particular combat engagement, the mg gunners could not stretch out their fingers, for having pressed down on their triggers for such an extended period of time. Many of these attacks resulted in the russians coming pretty close to the actual line before getting shot, sometimes as close 10 yards. In such situations, having the extra ammo capacity without the need for the fumbly reload of the mp40 could make the difference between life and death. I suspect the only reason this did not see further use or development was because of the mentioned possible fragility, and extra awkwardness when shooting. The weight itself would not have been a problem, as all members of a standard german squad would at some point be required to carry the 40kg laffette tripod in addition to all their standard equipment, to which this seems negligable. In addition, most people that actually got issued MP40s would probably not even have to carry it around for all that long, as it oftentimes found more use with gun or tank crews, as a self defence weapon. In fact there are accounts of field soldiers disliking it for its short range, much prefering the standard carabine. And in such a situation again the extra capacity without having to reload could have been a desiding factor.
@LambdaPsi
@LambdaPsi 5 жыл бұрын
Girls locker room : Ew my hair is so bad today! Boys looker room : *Talking about how to defend norway and what weapon to use*
@Myhouse69420
@Myhouse69420 5 жыл бұрын
They couldn’t just make a drum mag for them? Or just tape 2 mags together?
@j.d.ethridge2162
@j.d.ethridge2162 5 жыл бұрын
Why didn't they just make a drum mag?
@Madd69
@Madd69 5 жыл бұрын
Because Germany
@sausagedog98
@sausagedog98 4 жыл бұрын
You don't see many drum mags in the real world sadly. They're much less reliable than stick mags, far costlier to produce, take longer to 'bomb up, are harder to store in traditional webbing and are far more complex leading to more things that can break
@yetanother9127
@yetanother9127 5 жыл бұрын
Ah, that grand German tradition of devising an ingenious solution to a completely imagined problem. (See also: Gewehr 41.) I don't have a source for this so don't quote me, but I seem to recall that the doctrine for this weapon was to fire it normally from the center magazine, keeping the side magazine as an emergency reserve. Seems plausible enough.
@jasonlemuel5078
@jasonlemuel5078 5 жыл бұрын
You have alredy review this gun about 3 years ago
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 5 жыл бұрын
Which I explain at the end of the video.
@jasonlemuel5078
@jasonlemuel5078 5 жыл бұрын
@@ForgottenWeapons shooting it?
@MCLuviin
@MCLuviin 5 жыл бұрын
So it doesnt have a higher capacity it simple has a faster reload every 2 magazines. And a slower reload every other time. So no gain?????
@asdas137
@asdas137 5 жыл бұрын
Faster than reloading, fast switch for magazines, and when you have a malfunction with a drum mag (they could use instead) easy to solve just change mag row. I like this.
@VK-zt6sw
@VK-zt6sw Жыл бұрын
Awesome video - nicely done and thank you!
@kainezilla3688
@kainezilla3688 5 жыл бұрын
“Frahkensteen” is a joke on so many levels here
@O4KAST
@O4KAST 5 жыл бұрын
well hello red orchestra fans
@maximthemagnificent
@maximthemagnificent 5 жыл бұрын
This system came to mind (not saying it'd make sense, but I thought of it) when I saw that the G11 stored multiple magazines parallel to each other.
@seventhsonofaseventhson.6559
@seventhsonofaseventhson.6559 5 жыл бұрын
The G11 is the holy grail of all prototype weapons. It has a similar magazine storage system but, the MP40 stores them vertically and you can hold only one extra magazine rather then two. But, it is similar enough where it could’ve been inspiration for the G11K2.
@mcdazz2011
@mcdazz2011 5 жыл бұрын
Love your videos - very informational.
@morganlewis99ml
@morganlewis99ml 5 жыл бұрын
You had to blur out the swaztica??? Hahahhh!
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