The Zero, the off-set and parallax | Learning RED DOTS On Handguns (Part 1)

[@MrRebar15]

*Colion Noir* Most of us can't afford private lessons, thank-you so much for taking the time to film this for us. God Bless.

[@ColionNoir]

That's my goal with these videos. I know im blessed to get these opportunities so i try to share them as best I can.

[@jordanfrancisco27]

Roger that. Thanks a lot Mr. Noir.

[@ProfligateGhost]

Watching your videos really is informative. I'm going to get an FN 509 tactical soon. So I'm looking forward to having a red dot myself.

[@jaybee2850]

@@ProfligateGhost I love my 509 tactical. Make sure you put a decent amount of rounds (250+) thru it before thinking about a trigger change.

[@ProfligateGhost]

@@jaybee2850 I actually plan on doing that. :)

[@alexcusma4908]

These are the no nonsense type of instructors I’d love to work with. Gives you the nuts and bolt and doesn’t try to sound overly cool by using a bunch of shit worlds to impress the students. Well done. Thanks for sharing.

[@karmaRinRinTin]

My instructor is really cool AF off the range. But as soon as you step in. He's hard cord drill Sargent lol, no BS.

[@russell1823]

I like this instructor -calm, gives you the why and demonstrates

[@joet.s.6283]

Hes an awesome guy to learn from.

[@danklempa8894]

Yup, real good dude. I’ve taken a couple courses with him up at Sig academy.

[@ThePatriotParadox]

I agree, but Kinda also felt like he was pushing you towards coming to the same conclusion that he was as well...could've just been time constraint though

[@willrisher6049]

And he backed it up too, good shooting

[@andrewmlyles]

yeah defintly like how the instructor starts with WHY

[@darrenbishop4327]

Dude talks about as loud as my wife. As far as red dots on pistols, I think it's the evolution of the modern sidearm. We love your content sir because we can count on learning something new with every upload.

[@troy3456789]

Remember when pistol optics first came out, they were mounted on the frame of the pistol with side supports that held it still?

[@mrsickwick]

@@troy3456789 Yep. they still do on comp pistols. Though they do it because of the fact that the dot does not reciprocate after each shot.

[@troy3456789]

@@mrsickwick Oh wow, I did not know that. When you say competitions, you mean olympic style slow shooting?

[@mrsickwick]

@@troy3456789 Actually I'm not sure, I've never payed attention to that. I mainly meant IDPA-IPSC tournaments and whatnot. There actually was a new comp pistol released at SHOT that is insanely flat shooting and was designed where the RDS does not reciprocate as well.

[@FLEASPIRIT13]

George F the ALIEN?

[@bigsasquatch44]

Really appreciate this guys attentiveness to everyones saftey

[@joet.s.6283]

He's awesome to work with.

[@SogoTX]

Yup, 'cause you gotta make sure all our safties are secure... ;)

[@jaytrock3217]

He would drive me crazy.

[@jaytrock3217]

@@_-Montana-_ Yep, don't point your gun at anything you are not going to shoot. Don't put your finger on the trigger unless you are going to shoot. Know your backdrop. Three things. Guess I been in to many live fires. People who are overly safe tend to make you think of other things vs basics. Which is more dangerous.

[@whatudoin5853]

Some dumbass is wearing sunglasses on a cloudy day. I want to be able to see what I'm aiming at. Not good.

[@johnnewcomer1293]

This instructor makes it look so easy! Getting used to a red dot on a pistol takes time, I appreciate this instructor's patience and teaching manner.

[@takeniteasyfriend]

Working the four corners on the glass. Glad to learn that drill from your channel

[@michaelcawley7400]

Got to love how the bad guy on sigs targets is holding a Glock

[@dillonpatterson4310]

Subliminal messaging lol

[@dakotatallent9934]

Velvet jump suit...... Tbh it should be a hi point 😂

[@bcbrin20]

I'm pretty sure they the guy on the target is either a current or former employee at Sig.

[@actinganimal885]

Deez Nuts noir seems to be using a SIG m17 platform but I’m not TOO familiar with that firearm.

[@DatGrunt]

@Deez Nuts They're using the Sig P320 XFive Legion. The grip is tungsten infused polymer or something like that making it feel a little heavier than normal P320s. It's like $1000 or more.

[@matthewzuber9823]

The dude stopped mid sentence to make sure everyone had eyes and ears. That's a dude who is always thinking

[@whatudoin5853]

No. That should be first thing not last. He's to impatient and teaching someone who wears sunglasses on a cloudy day. Phukin sad.

[@starxlord9856]

That’s a dude who caught himself messing up. Should have been eyes and ears soon as y’all loaded up for training so....

[@starxlord9856]

@@whatudoin5853 exactly that’s why he got nervous for a second cause he was about to squeeze off one being an instructor completely ignoring safety rules they preach.

[@Pengui66666]

@@starxlord9856 not even remotely true. Have you taken a course? Ears are on and off all day long, even with loaded guns on your hip.

[@sfef84]

It's a firing range. Some people need to chill out

[@karmaRinRinTin]

As a 60 year old, iorn sight person. I'm having a little trouble with the red dot. Thanks for the video, it's really helpful.

[@ddivinia]

I had a hard time transitioning to a red dot. What helped me is to go to a 6 moa dot. Then I discovered the circle with a dot. Once I got the hang of it, hard to go back.

[@nathanstrange168]

I like this instructor.

[@cratxn1]

So timely...my wife and I just updated our mature eyes with Holosun 507Cs and there were multiple nuggets in this video offering for training with them. You have a strong inner self, as your persona allows you to shed vanity and let us learn with you. Oh, I will share something I discovered...in getting comfortable with using a red dot, I find that if I use more gripping pressure with my two lower fingers ( i.e.#4 & #5 pinky ) it pulls the red dot down right over my front sight. Making your good "better" and your better "best". Somewhere between ignorance & arrogance.

[@kentuckyjustice1408]

Don't you hate it when they ask a question, and though it's plain English, you have no idea what they're looking for in an answer. "So, the point of this drill is what?" "What am I taking away from this?" I would have been like "uh... red dots are a good thing???" Good video. I appreciate you sharing this. "Thumbs up" from this Kentucky boy.

[@kjadfhgioaudbfvilaeu]

Right? I'm the student here, Teacher...Elucidate me, please. :)

[@Rollincoal6.6]

Hated those questions in school 😂

[@2S1L3NT]

Always felt like that was teachers not knowing the subject or how to add value through what they're trying to deliver for your money, so they try to let you throw an answer out, they agree with you, and you go away feeling like you've gained something (because you knew the answer to what they asked)

[@ItzHatorade]

It’s just simple trying to make you think

[@raifcluster]

I don't know how I could have missed this video for 4 years. Kudos to the excellent instructor.

[@NYOB0001]

I was in the process of signing up for Sig Saur Academy just before the lock down. Got the required extra background check, made hotel reservations etc. Then lockdown happened. I will be trying again soon. Glad I got to see this.

[@Maelstrom8]

Like you Colion, I have been reluctant to transition to red dots on pistols. This video shows the merit in them along with expert level training. Thank you to SIG and to you!

[@SkyFireDrone2022]

Listening, paying attention, and respecting the instructor, staying safe on the range. This is far better than any other twenty minute review video on red dots.

[@nogodnoamericano8437]

Just mounted first Red Dot on my HK VP9. So glad to find this video with so much great information. This instructor is great at explaining things and has answered a lot of questions I had to start zeroing and using my red dot.

[@erichneuffer7614]

Never would have thought to try this! Grew up a long distance rifle shooter so always been a stickler about sight picture and holding just right on target and adjusting my hold for distance. Definitely going to try this next range day, thanks Colion

[@kippbolt5449]

Watched this video 3x since it’s come out. Live it every time. That instructor is a true professional.

[@pwd1679]

Went to Freedom Days in Phoenix. Sigs crew/instrictors were awesome! I may have talked with Colin's instructor there. He was awesome.

[@jamesR1990]

Great video. The parallax demonstration at the end was especially helpful. It conceptually makes sense but it's why I hadn't mounted the red dot yet. Now having seen a demonstration on why you don't need the dot perfectly centered to hit the target I'll have my EDC prepped for it

[@Flemdragon]

James R Squyres dude you not use a red dot in the air force? If you have you should know that they don’t care where the dot is after you zero. I mean you are not going to be a sniper on cod with it, but you will hit the target. Red dots are amazing and more useful than just being a dot in instead of a post. That’s the whole point, is not having to go nose to charging handle and everything that comes with irons.

[@HoodedxFreak]

James R Squyres Can you reexplain the parallax still at the end? I think I understand what he was trying to demonstrate but I don’t fully trust myself.

[@jamesR1990]

@@Flemdragon I have not used a Red Dot prior. In certain career fields you do and based upon certain situations (specific deployments etc). But the standard training is just Iron Sights on the M4 and M9.

[@jamesR1990]

@@HoodedxFreak sure. The demonstration was showing that once you have the red dot zeroed in the center of your optic that you'll hit the target where the dot is shown regardless of where that is within the optic relative to your sight picture. So if the dot is at the top of your glass you'll still hit roughly on that dot. It's apparently not like iron sights where you have to line up multiple points for accuracy

[@HoodedxFreak]

James R Squyres Thank you

[@ronaldsinclair6837]

I stand with you Colion. Thank you for your work.

[@geoffrey8722]

Always learning.... LOVE SIG ACADEMY... love CN ...

[@ronhunt9396]

Always enjoy and learn more about pistols from Colion. I'm 73 XARMY PARATROPPER VN VET and been a hunter since I was 12. Definitely used to rifles and shotguns but I have about 9 pistols and not done buying more pistols. I live in the boonies and we own 27 acres and I have a permanent and a portable range. All but 2 of my pistols have dots and a couple have lasers

[@Neffariousnyc]

This just crossed my feed today. Thank you for making this video. I recently bought a red-dot and a comprehensive examination of their application was sorely needed.

[@marcopolo242]

Great vid. Really helpful in contextualizing "negatives" that are often overblown.

[@mikec9636]

Colion Noir, I installed a Romeo 1Pro on my X5 Legion and find it to be a great improvement. Really liked what this instructor talked about.

[@hasgunwilltravel6840]

Only been shooting pistol red dot for like 8 months, and only a hair over 2k rounds. But what I can say is it makes it a lot easier to stretch your range out, speed at distances past like 15 yards are way better, also the biggest thing is practice drawing so you reduce inconsistency in the draw stroke. The learning curve is sharp so it will not offer advantages at first but the curve isn’t hard to overcome where it starts really helping. By sharp I mean it will be hard at first but once you start doing well you will improve fast.

[@orion7873]

I wish gun companies would get together with red dot companies and say "ok, lets make all red-dots fit all new guns made". Why so many different mounting systems ?

[@adrianfirewalker4183]

I agree, but it's a money making thing

[@maxmorris7025]

Grey ghost has a slide cut that fits everything so it's not like it can't be done

[@fender_ketchup]

The idea of slide-mounted red dot is still new, barely out of prototype phase. Any kind of common mount or plug for anything takes years to become standard, USB, OBD, 1913 rail, even power outlets, none of it just fell from the sky.

[@pewpewTN]

I really like how Slimline Glock MOS models can fit several micro red dots without needing any type of plate. That's a small step in the right direction.

[@marcosaruca5283]

Happens throughout all technology it was the same in music before midi came along

[@BtAeDxAaSnS]

Came back to rewatch this. Going to get a Red Dot for my new Mark IV Lite. I know it has very little recoil but I was more concerned about the parallax and glad to know the dot doesnt have to be perfectly centered. Just trying to go plink and have some fun.

[@therigobertodelgado1275]

I love how this channel tries to sell me an experience, not an item like a lot of KZbinrs I know. sub and like plus one

[@papabones-G48]

I was fine-tuning a little too far out and was being too picky! I figured it would be off more than that around the sight window! Great vid thanks for posting! "KEEP ON KEEPIN ON"!!

[@danny51577]

Here ya go Colion, this is the type of info we need. Thanks brother

[@lysdexsick]

The instructor knows a thing or two!! Respect!

[@kevhenderson667]

Collin your an inspiration I thank you for everything you do for the 2nd amendment I have ordered two I will not comply shirts and masks from you GOD bless you and everyone at sig I too am a legion member!

[@Samuel-km5yf]

Nice video. Good instructor. Stay safe. 👍

[@ryanallison9228]

Very smart and helpful information.

[@D1R7Y54N32]

Glad to see you're taking the time to work on the red dot. I need to do this too.

[@tracawilliamson2392]

Stop playing with my emotions man...I’m researching this subject daily!! It’s a sign from the Gods!!

[@ledzeppelin5647]

You are the prettiest black lady I've seen since Halle Berry😘

[@tracawilliamson2392]

Dan, you better quit flirting with me. You’re into guns too. You might leave this post with a gf!

[@Turtl-ss4lj]

Petition to get Traca and Dan out on a date

[@Pettyspaghetti-w3g]

Here, here! I say yes to a date! Gone head girl, lol! 😉 I can't wait to get my first gun; I've got my eye on a purple and gray Glock 42. It's small enough for me without a ridiculous kick. Patiently waiting...

[@tracawilliamson2392]

@@Pettyspaghetti-w3g, I'm so excited for you! Shooting is a new hobby for me, but I absolutely love it. It's addictive...kind of like tattoos!

[@hazelbelle9499]

I have a red dot on my 22charger but now have the Romeo Zero on my Glock17...this has been a very informnative video on dot placement in the window! Thanks guys for the gouge!!!

[@TheReachof2010]

Good stuff man, thanks for this I just bought my VP9 L with a Holo sun and this has answered a lot of my questions. Thanks for the great content and keep up the fight. Thanks again.

[@PhillipOReilly]

The best teachers are straight forward and keep things realistic. Thanks for a good video..

[@Bordz_92]

"You're a smart guy, what do you think?" ......crickets

[@joet.s.6283]

He used to ask me questions like that a lot, always crickets.

[@texasbeast239]

My boss asks me and another department lead open-ended Q's like this often. My counterpart clams up, afraid to sound dumb by blurting something out, thus sounding timid in the process. I may be just as unsure of what precisely is being intended by the Q, but I will go ahead and plow through an answer and explain my rationale. My boss digs me having confidence to answer, and showing my thought process. Even if my interp of the Q was way off what he was going for, it still shows that I was paying attention to what he literally asked, and I can readily stand by my answers. He's not so down with crickets.

[@joet.s.6283]

@@texasbeast239 Murphy is much the same way. Always using the questions as either an opportunity to affirm yourself or as a segue into an important point. Once I learned to respond with confidence quickly i learned much faster.

[@jackal1115]

Sometimes it's hard to understand were some one is leading you. Colion wants a specific question he can give a specific answer too. When Colion said "in terms of what" the guy should have said in "in terms of accuracy relating to hold over and under at 3-5-7 yards" Then his question becomes more obvious.

[@Bordz_92]

@@jackal1115 the question was pretty obvious from the jump

[@dalemorigeau1157]

Mr. Noir, I love the info you keep giving us. Please do not ever stop. I honestly hope to meet you some day so I can shake your hand Sir.

[@timothyvotaw7517]

Doing very well as a student, Colion. Colin is a good instructor, good techniques. 2A forever!

[@paulysixx5047]

I can't begin to tell you how much respect i have for you. Thank you for all your great videos and my God bless you and watch over you.

[@CordyteActual]

Glad you are getting some training Colion

[@WingWalker7]

Great little bit of instruction on pistol with an RDS.

[@linger2001]

Just got my first pistol with a Red Dot. I did pretty good with it at the range but did notice I was trying to "aim" and be more precise with it toward the end of the day. This video explained a lot. Thanks

[@jerrywaterson5806]

AWSOME VIDEO, WE NEED MORE INSTRUCTORS LIKE THIS GENTELMAN .PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT, THANK YOU SIR.GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!!!

[@bartravi985]

Thank you for this content. I have done some training with a group that teaches Marine handgun trying course with a borrowed G19 so I didn’t have to use my G26 for 500 rounds. I now carry with a red dot. Need to go back and do it again.

[@rogermorris5224]

Great video! Best one I've seen on the subject. I've been hesitating putting a red dot on any of my pistols. Now I understand better how they work and how to use them. Hard to teach an old dog new tricks, but this video did it for me! Thanks!

[@buckerdoeoutdoors]

I have watched ALOT of instructors over the years and this guy is phenomenal. I would 10/10 take a class with him.

[@seanmcdevitt1052]

He’s great

[@glenrasberry1174]

Learning has occurred thanks for sharing. Getting ready to put RMRs on my M17 and FNX-45 Tactical. Took away some of my anxiety and questions i appreciate it.

[@supermanley2538]

I remember those days of red dot 🔴 training wheels! You’ll love 💕 it! I promise! Oh and get a gas ⛽️ pedal! I’m tired of seeing that x5 damn near jump out of your hands. 😝 keep going big C! We love all that you do🤙🏽

[@Tacticaltoolman]

Just started shooting pistols with red dots and this video was very helpful.Keep up the great work Buddy!!!

[@ArmAndHammer2]

Man I had my red dot zeroed but I didn’t realize the offset….thee most informative video I’ve seen…going back to the range tomorrow because I definitely went back to iron sites lol

[@lylereinier4989]

Outstanding, great instructor.

[@RockyMountainBear]

There are no sights on my Gucci glock build. It has been surprisingly fun to shoot with, but it's time to throw a red dot on there. This is a great video. Thank you for overcoming your micro red-dotism, and being the hero we deserve.

[@mclarkson78]

Rocky Mountain Bear check out gun deals on Reddit. The RMR type 2 adjustable is on sale at primary arms right now for a good price.

[@RockyMountainBear]

@@mclarkson78 thank you.

[@jaybee2850]

@@RockyMountainBear don't stay there too long. That site is a wallet killer.

[@JohnBlaze505]

You should ask him out on a date next

[@pewpewTN]

I have Red Dots on some of my handguns & still use irons on some. Not all of them are cut for optics & I don't want to deal with getting optics cuts & buying optics for every single one. So don't feel like you have to convert everything you own. One thing I have learned is you don't have to buy some $500 optic to get a high quality product. Riton is an optic company that has really impressed me. Even the relatively cheap Sig Romeo Zero has proven to be effective for me. Holosuns are almost always a good bet, but prices on those have started to climb.

[@davidlindsey3530]

Keep making the videos man keep the fight strong. You have with you than against you. WNC.

[@jasonekstrom8071]

Good information, I got my 1st red that is going on my glock34

[@michaelmiller5877]

Thank you for the video. Just put a red dot on one of my pistols and this was very informative.

[@johnrodriguez3870]

Colion Noir: I AM so glad to be a subscriber to Your You Tube Channel, and, I AM equally glad that You are malleable in learning the Art of War in Gunplay, especially from 3, 5, and 7 Yards. You, Colion Noir, Keep America Tactical and GOD Bless You, Bro!!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🦅🗽🔫

[@clamum]

Great video, Colion, thanks. Colin looks like a good teacher. Timely too cause I'm waiting for my P229 to come back with its slide cut, hopefully just a few more weeks woot. 👌🥳

[@rob-nb7oc]

Great video on acquiring red dot. Can definitely be practiced at home. Thank you.

[@andysteig2023]

Took a class with Instructor Murphy at Sig Academy. He’s and excellent instructor and a great guy.

[@VBITS97]

You will need to sight-in your red dot sight. If you aren't very good at the range, using a laser bore sight is the way to go. It is very easy to line up the red dot with the laser dot coming out of your barrel. Great video and good instruction, BTW.

[@TheAZCOMA]

This is a great instructional video, I learned so much in such a short time it's hard to get this kind of knowledge. Thank you for posting this, great instructor! He's very intentive on safety very aware of his surrounding. Please make more videos! 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲 2A because they are taking 1A away. God bless America.

[@fishslayersocal9345]

Very helpful on dot placement 👍🏼

[@cz-bundy6896]

Have had a dot on My p10c for 2 years now. Since then 4 other pistols now have red dots. It's by far the best way to shoot a pistol

[@redneckninja2539]

Did you get the p10c optics ready version? Does it come with suppressor height sights? Shot a p10c at the range and now want one for EDC. Absolutely loved the fit to my hand and trigger

[@JPAmerica]

T Bundy Where did you get that milled?

[@killacamfoo]

Optic ready? Or custom work?

[@1BXB]

Good info and well-presented. I don't recall seeing anything about the POI change at 25 yards when the zero is at 15 yards, which would have been useful info. Hope to see more like this.

[@jessiewasson584]

This instructor reminds me of when I was training with the group guys in the army good shit

[@LoneWarrior.]

I really like this Colin Murphy. Never heard of him before. Very straight to the point USEFUL info. Good instruction for combat effective shooting without muddying the brain with semantics and info it doesn't need. Learned and re-learned a lot here. Bravo.

[@joet.s.6283]

He's awesome. I learned from him for about to years and this is what he is like on any subject. Makes it simple, easy to learn and sets you up to take on complex subjects later on.

[@GilLopezPadro]

Old video, but 1st time seeing it. It reinforced my beliefs on red dot aiming.

[@jelmo1057]

Very helpful, thanks for sharing Colton.

[@charleshanna2089]

Colion You have really good trigger control Your reset was great

[@brendanhayes2752]

Thanks Colion, I dont watch often, but I love it when I do!

[@allpraisetothemosthigh7770]

Nice session.. thanks for sharing.

[@jtbmag7720]

holy smokes...look at the difference between the trainer's recoil control and the student's...that's nuts. I have SO much to learn.

[@CoryFalde175]

This is helpful, I just ordered my first pistol red dot. Vortex Venom.

[@christopherdowning7776]

Red dots are amazing. First one I used was a cheap $20 one on my daughters airsoft rifle…. When I realized I can easily hit a quarter at 25yards. I bought a cheap $25 unit for my AR pistol. So easy to make fast and accurate hits.

[@heeebeeegeeebeee]

Just started shooting a dot in the past month and this video answered so many of my questions - thank you!!!

[@1scooterpilot1]

I just installed a red dot on my Sig. This video is very informative and helpful. Thanks

[@supersteve8305]

Been watching you for a bit. Keep up the fight. You are awesome.

[@jameswalling8838]

This is helpful as I'm about to switch to a red dot. Thanks!

[@robdowling1238]

Colion you are the man brother!!!!!

[@thomasarchambault9463]

Great information for responsible people. Thanks.

[@Dababijesus]

Your awesome man fr no filter you tell it how it is and a lot of your video are funny too.. keep it up man one of the best to do what you do and you deserve everything that comes your way.. I know you’ll never end up seeing this cause of how large your following but I myself thank you, and I believe I’m speaking for most of the people here watching this when I (we) thank you for all the work to put out all these videos.. thanks and keep it up dawg Many blessings

[@elcioalmeida800]

Great instructor!!! Very nice vide and great information… Thank very much.

[@ulisessalas6420]

Huh! Very informative, I just put an RMR on my FN 509 and I’ve been trying to figure it out and get use to it and this video has a bunch of good tips. Thank you.

[@berettaxd7566]

How do you like the FN compared to some other handguns?

[@ulisessalas6420]

@@berettaxd7566 The FN is my favorite. I’ve tried the Sig M18 with the Deltapoint, the M&P 2.0 with the RMR I’ve tried G19 and PPQ , and I keep going back to the FN… it just works better for me, it feels more natural. I hope that helps.

[@evanlomax7591]

Thanks for posting the video. Very educational with a great instructor.

[@marlinhowley9858]

Good stuff. Really enjoy your videos. Well done.

[@niterider0629]

I like that bright yellow holster

[@jackal1115]

Damn. Colion I love you man. Keep doing what you're doing.

[@bigmike716]

I have learned SOOOO much from these 3 videos!!!Thank you so much brothers!!!

[@TheChubbyKid]

Instructors stance and arm extension is weird looking, but he gets it done. Learned a lot from this video, thanks.

[@gtdfirearmsllc4759]

TheChubbyKid it’s the “tactical” way ;)

[@mike31brown]

Amazing love the way that guy teaches would pay for your services 💯

[@marvincorbin5322]

Never cared for a red dot on a pistol, was old school, like myself, but maybe, just maybe, you got me rethinking it.

[@Deathwarror01]

The biggest difference is when you are aiming at the target. You focus on the target vs the front sight for accuracy. It causes your situational awareness to be better. James Burke Stated this below and I agree with him. Posting it here if you cant find it. "Not only try it, but understand how it works too. Easy to say it’s junk if you don’t understand the concept of single focal point shooting. Now I’m saying in terms of true defensive use in the real world and not just punching paper. I’m a cop and I’ve shot for 24 years, I’m 45 years old. I thought an RDS was a gimmick. I have been proven wrong. Being able to keep your eyes focused on the threat with your dot on target is massive compared to the old dance of look at bad guy, look at front sight, look at bad guy, back and forth. Now I’ve trained with many thousands of rounds down range. There is a learning curve. But once you reach a level of proficiency, you will impress yourself with what you can do" - James Burke

[@Gunit0121]

That looked fun! Love the shooting distances.