Midnight Motorist: How 78 Pixels Tore the FNAF Community Apart

A Didactic Retrospective on Five Nights At Freddy's Relationship with Cryptic Symbolism
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[@herretik2287]

The Midnight Motorist and its consequences on the FNAF lore have been a disaster.

[@BaslightBatekeepBoyboss]

The FNAF system may survive or it may break down. If it survives, it MAY eventually achieve a low level of physical and psychological suffering, but only after passing through a long and very painful period of adjustment and only at the cost of permanently reducing Freddy Fazbear and many other animatronics to engineered products and mere cogs in the Fazbear Entertainment machine.

[@UnderseaRexieVT]

@@BaslightBatekeepBoyboss The true Ultimate Custom Night were the theories we made along the way.

[@protoplasm-1]

I can actually explain very easily why the mound is so huge in FLAF. It’s so that we can see it. This is a trick that specifically racing games seem to employ at certian times, you can see it in a lot of the DLC courses for Mario Kart 8 Deluxe specifically, there are characters and furniture and other bits of scenery that are way, WAY bigger than they reasonably should be, made such so that they’re easier to notice from the limited perspective of a guy in a go-kart. Here, it’s actually a bit more justified than it is in Mario Kart because there’s a wall in the way that prevents you from just driving off the course and approaching it. If the dirt mound were the same size as we see it in Midnight Motorist-clearly smaller than a single person on foot-then it would be nearly impossible to see the dirt mound in FLAF even if you stopped racing and looked for it. At the size the mound is here, it serves the purpose of being a recognizable bit of scenery referencing the source materiel, at the cost of being absolutely gigantic.

[@Swing_Bonnie]

This could also work since FLaF is the most stylized game in the franchise. Whether the mound is actually that big or not, fudging the scale so its recognizable from a distance isn't out of the question for the game's art style

[@scottcaldwell4102]

That only works to a certain degree. Increasing the size of characters and furniture is fine, because those things are still recognizable as the same characters and furniture. You wouldn't want to make something so big that it is no longer visually recognizable as the thing it's supposed to represent (e.g. if you believe that it's meant to be a grave).

[@djungelskogjamjam4995]

My problem with the idea that they’re breaking ground on a new place is that that’s not what a contstruction site ever looks like. The focus is very clearly on the one mound, and a construction site would not have just an outline of a house. What it looks like to me is a house that’s been destroyed in some way, leaving behind a blank foundation. And the mound indicates that either something has been buried after the house was destroyed or it’s indicating that something was buried under the house while it still existed. What that could be, idk

[@chepox69]

With all due respect mister Gibbi, I think the example of the minor character making a expression in a ballet is a bad example, in a live show, such thing can be just a human mistake of the moment, but in a videogame, everything is designes to be that way, not only that, but Scott knows very well how the internet works for years, making the dirt mount hidden wouldn't make the audience think it's not that important, it's the opposite, the fact that is hidden in and already hidden minigame(one that Scott knows everyone will watch in videos and stuff) makes it feel like a detail that will grant you the bigger context that you need for this to make sense, some reward for going the extra mile.

[@kirabey8946]

I agree with this comment. I mostly agree with GiBi's takes but the "miniscule" minigames are very important when this is the last game of the series that was made to tie up loose ends, in the LORE, and you need to play these minigames to get the LOREkeeper ending. So it the minigames can get to be more intricate and complicated because it is known by Scott that it will be very important to people and it won't be forgotten.

[@TDreads]

There are that many trash cans! They have lots of old cheese!

[@CandiBuunny]

the cheese is SO real

[@AbsolXGuardian]

Yeah the only weird part is that they're not industrial dumpsters

[@reillyseet8836]

The amount of garbage a place like freddy's would produce .....

[@justaperson4656]

​@@AbsolXGuardian given fazcorps history, they might just be being cheap and not paying for industrial waste removal

[@AbsolXGuardian]

@@justaperson4656 I feel like you'd loose money in how many normal tin trash cans you'd have to buy, but money saving techniques that actually cost more in the long run is very in character for Faz Ent. I recently watched like the first half of the movie Brazil (got bored. Not as timeless as a lot of famous dystopia scifi, very stuck in a gen x anti-authority milieu, but I digress. I will probably finish it soon though) to see if I could get more meaning from it being referenced in Ruin (as opposed to any other reference that would also communicate the ending is an illusion), and one thing I do think is an inspiration for Fazbear Entertainment is all the technology they have that doesn't work, but that everyone has to pretend it does. While this applies more towards the Pizzaplex, that kind of idea does fit for the entire timeline.

[@WitheredCircle]

78 divided by 5.57142857143 is 14. Clearly this is important to the lore of Midnight Motorist

[@AroxxKSL]

I want 14 theory to be real so bad and if not im sure you will make it canon!

[@Montagne1234]

This proves there is actually 14 different kids in the Golden freddy suit

[@dar-nakkallig]

Withered Circle, this math is very bunny...

[@CEOofBdubs]

9:37 I’ve been really hung up on this detail lately. It’s always been such a weird, out of place thing to include in a game where almost everything ties back to wrap up previous loose ends. Same with the weird clown posters that have returned like 3 times since, including in Curse of Dreadbear. I’ve heard people say it’s just to indicate the game takes place in October, but I don’t know if I believe that. I’m pretty convinced that Scott has had the very loose concept of “Fall themed traveling carnival that was the origin of Fazbear Ent.” since at least FNAF 6. That even would explain the traveling circus stuff in the novels that also weirdly doesn’t go anywhere.

[@Autumn_Actually]

In The Silver Eyes it's stated Henry had books about circuses and traveling carnivals in his workshop, so I think he's had the circus idea for many years.

[@skylerwarren7300]

I think the reason why the mound is so big in FLAF is so the player can notice it better since if you were to make it the size of a child grave, you would not be able to see it, In Mario kart the character are scaled down massively to make the map seem bigger

[@CharaViolet]

"Scott has never hidden lore secrets in the game files" 'He was here' Mangle in FNaF 2:

[@Takejiro24]

Nightmare/Nightmare Mode in FNAF 4 being named "Shadow Freddy" has been really quiet since this dropped......

[@padacuw4722]

The Molten Freddy blueprint in FNaF 6:

[@molamola9723]

The point gibi is making isn’t that the game files can never be used for lore. It’s that it’s extremely inconsistent what file information is actually useful and what’s cut concepts and what is actually lore relevant. Both “he was here” and “shadow Freddy” have also never actually contributed much to the lore. We already see William in save them and we still cannot be 100% whether nightmare is shadow Freddy or not. The file names provide speculation at most but not secrets to help us solve lore.

[@TiredMoonRabbit]

I mean technically scott himself said this.

[@JConn_9]

I’ve been of the opinion that Mustard Man IS William, and that he’s yellow because he isn’t quite Purple Guy yet. And it’s not because “Yellow opposite purple”, it’s because I think he’s not associated with The Crimes yet. I fully believe it’s supposed to be Later That Night of Charlie’s Murder. My reasoning is that the hidden section could have just as easily been named “Motorist Secret”, “Secret Woods”, “Town”, “Neighborhood”, “Road”, etc., but instead it’s Later *That Night*, which feels incredibly pointed. I’m also a diehard “Mound = Grave = Dave, the Crying Child” believer. But it’s not that I think William stole away Dave’s body from the hospital and buried him in some random clearing or anything like that; I think it’s symbolic. Dave Afton was the first of his family to die, he was a sad, lonely child, and only a few people would be likely to visit his grave. So he’s buried in a lonely, sad plot, out the way, by himself, with only two people ‘going to that place’: Michael and William. Mustard Man William being angry about Michael ruining the hard work he put into his family then having the audacity to go to the grave just makes sense to me. Also if we believe this is the Aftons, Mrs. Afton simply watching her shows and only passively dissuading him could read a tired, depressed wife and mother. And personally I think Five Laps… *is* important, but I also fear it may be another case of Scott being horrifically uncommunicative. At the moment I think the mound is intended to be a groundbreaking for something, but at the time of Pizza Sim release it was supposed to be a grave. That being said, while I’ll always hold onto the MM Dave Grave theory, I do feel that Groundbreaking For Construction is more likely at this point.

[@MechaKnuckles]

I also like the idea that Mike takes after his mother. Whenever he later finds himself alone, he drowns himself in soap operas to block out his depression. Mike also associates himself heavily with Clara, and Clara is arguably a parallel to both Mrs. Afton and Michael.

[@Alkeeros]

The man is William while in the car, and then when he exits the car he turns into cheeto/mustard man. Boom. Solved

[@FactswithKat]

You see, the car is purple because william is IN the car, he is just in the passenger seat, he transforms the car into the purple car while mustard man just goes home

[@ryans-archive]

Dunno how you can talk about us not supposed to take the size of the sprites literally in the minigame, and then have one of your big points at the end of the video be the size of the mound's sprite...

[@Rose_Haw]

One is "pixel art" and the other a 3d game. I disagree with his conclusion, but comparing the sizes of things in a 3D game makes more sense than comparing sizes in a 2D "pixel art" game

[@Hex.A.Decimal]

Okay, but... Actually, if the WHOLE FNAF 4 HOUSE was built on top of the secret grave of Dave... How Micheal has Dave's nightmares/memories while living there years later actually makes perfect sense... And OMC is keeping his grave- "don't dig too far"... Trauma response of Micheal?

[@Alice_h_283]

that would be so much more narratively satisfying, dave's spirit making mike's nightmares so vivid because he is buried under the house!

[@PyroTurtleGaming]

The main reason I believe William Midnight Motorist is that its the most satisfyingly answer to me. I can understand the competing theory's against it but never found them as compelling as WMM

[@MechaKnuckles]

If FNAF6 is supposed to put a bow on the franchise up to that point, what use is it introducing a new family of strangers for them never to be expanded upon (not even in Frights)? Why is there only two footprints and not a trail? And how would Afton use Springbonnie in the rain?

[@timeturnerdust6093]

​@@MechaKnuckles 1) the family doesn't matter, it's just to show the kinds of victims William targeted (ie.e abused/neglected kids). 2) there's not that much detail in the 8bit games, and it's not like there's footprints in other places where ppl have walked so... 3) it isn't raining in MM, only in the 'later that night' segment so who even knows if it was raining when the kid got lured away. We don't know how long orange guy has been out for, or when the kid left. Honestly though, I think you've heard all of these arguments before but you've already formed your opinion so it won't change (much like mine tbf, there's very little anyone can say that will change my mind lol)

[@fonejunky6306]

Can't believe Gibi finally made a video about The Lump

[@monstrdog7031]

After security breach, I dont think scott would let them put the spring bonnie topper on the car. He also has used stuff in the files for lore? Isnt the mangle in save them called 'he was here', shadow freddy for nightmare, or 'later that night' alone-the game itself doesn't tell us the name of that minigame. And why make a whole separate room and the mound you can take mustard (gold) man out of the car for just for it to mean nothing? As you said, the answer is clearer to the one that made the puzzle On a separate note- I dont think William was in the wall for 30 years. 'after the tragedies that took place' is not William being sealed in the wall

[@chaosfox8832]

Something that always bugged me about the "later that night after Charlie was murdered" interpretation is it isn't raining in midnight motorist, the connective tissue. Later that night referring to MM itself makes more sense to me. While orange man is driving home and it isn't raining, Afton (the man known for luring) lures a kid (on top of going to his house, and breaking a window...). Later, in the rain (symbolic sadness womp womp) the orange man discovers the aftermath of the kidnapping. Side note, but if the kid is constantly running away, it could explain why it wasn't immediately treated as kidnapping and took until there was 5 kids missing to link it all to the 2 at Freddy's.

[@Red-jt6uu]

Especially since the events of this mini game would have taken place in the 80’s when essentially every missing kid was treated as a runaway.

[@CandiBuunny]

It's out! Time to grab a snack (glue) and enjoy

[@alehmuah]

looking simply to the colour of the character what if he is yellow to show the inverse of what we know to be william afton, as yellow is the inverse of purple. the car is purple to show the connection between the mini games but william is not yet the evil man we know him to be so he’s depicted as yellow.

[@cassandrafan6051]

With all due respect, the argument that if we take the evidence presented in FLaF we have to take the entire game near literally as it is doesn’t make sense. The mound being bigger, as mentioned by another user, may be so that we notice it from the track. In all likelihood, it’s just interpolistic and definitely not something we have to take literally if trusting in some of the evidence FLaF provides. The Midnight motor car itself, with all its details, again I don’t see as something to take completely literally but again Interpolistically. The car is not literally the midnight motorist car, as I find the idea that the actual car has a spring bonnie antenna comical and 87 dice unlikely, they can still be symbolic of the owner of said car. At the very least, we can agree the real Midnight Motorist car was not being driven by an animatronic racing other animatronics while being chased by a weird holographic cat thing. If we can accept that, we can accept that the mound may be bigger for an aesthetic reason, though it being indicative of something else is still on the table. Regardless, the car itself is still very recognizable as the midnight motorist car, and we can take the details applied to it to use as evidence, and very strong evidence as well. That was in regards to the comment on the size of the mound, again, I find it an unreasonable argument that we have to take the size of the mound literally if we take the spring bonnie antenna on midnight motor to suggest it’s William’s car. In regards to the reliability of the game as a whole, while I also question Scott’s involvement in FLaF, I find it very hard to believe he would let it pass through as is without any intervention, considering that it was part of the 10 year anniversary event and was even first announced by Scott himself. Especially after the complete mishandling of SB, I doubt he would so flippantly allow the same thing to happen again, not at the very least without some clarification or correction after the fact. FLaF again became relevant with the whole Murray Co. billboard incident leading up to the HW2 update, a very intentional gift of sorts for Dawko’s charity stream, which again shows FLaF being presented quite directly to tell us something and shows that in terms of modern fnaf it is being considered and used by the fnaf development team. In short, I do believe FLaF content can be taken as evidence, and that the Midnight Motor Car does very very strongly suggest that it is William’s car, to the point that I at least fail to see any reasonable counter evidence to that idea. While you are one of my favorite fnaftubers, I find this video to be generally tainted by bias and double standards on what can be acceptably taken as evidence, what is and isn’t interpolistic, and what can be taken as official fnaf content at all. That being said, the general point on how fnaf minigames often are used interpolistically and not directly literally is an important thing to note, such that we can avoid any pink guy or midnight motorist type arguments in the future. On that note, I look forward very very greatly to the next book analysis as I’ve been enjoying them immensely.

[@GracieM2402]

Love that I've been binging Gibi content so much that I get this video. Ten minutes after it's up. So while there's so few comments, I'm gonna say Thank you, Gibi 💜 your level-headed, grass-touching approach to fnaf is so so so fun to watch and. It's wild how much I feel like I LEARN something from your vids. Thank u for literally everything

[@Wilczuk-xc3pd]

Weird theory but, What if William Afton became purple (originally was yellow/orange/cheeto) He became purple to indicate his descent into madness, the mental falling into shadows Which would put this minigame before any murders I think Cheers!

[@DUSKSANE]

Ayo come look at this: 🚶😂😂😂🚶‍♂

[@ParallaxFlip7]

Or what about being dead? The same thing happened to (probably) Michael after he was scooped. The annoying wrench in the spokes here, though, is when we see the rare occurrence of Purple Guy helping an employee into a suit during a crying child minigame. I’m not able to find it but I swear I saw a hint once from Scott along the lines of “what does being purple actually mean?” That’s what made me start linking the purple symbolism of William and Michael.

[@TiredMoonRabbit]

I know it's a mound, but I've always thought it looked more like a rock, it's not brown it's grey, buuuuuuut with five laps being a thing it's definitely a mound of dirt.

[@EggYTP]

To be fair, the mangle sprite in the save them minigames that moves around says “he was here” in the files, or something like that - you could possibly interpret this as light lore hidden in the files. I don’t think it holds a heavy weight on your theory tho

[@TheCrowReviewer]

You know who else tore the fnaf community apart? My mom

[@mehiloll]

???

[@kaelanimacoes]

bro is muscle man

[@theoriginalcatfish]

Bro is muscle man

[@CharaViolet]

I don't see how the mound being so big would be incompatible with it being the entrance to the bunker. If anything I think it makes more sense, right?

[@kingdaveydoo]

Okay but the same logic as like the tree walls can be used for the giant mound in flaf. They want you to be able to see that mound in the distance therefore the mound is big enough to see in the distance its that size for video game reasons like. They hid it but would it even be spottable without a boundary break if it were small?

[@kirabey8946]

While I agree with most of your takes about this franchise, I have to disagree you on this. Not with the implication of who the orange guy is, no, but about the importance of the minigames. I think comparing this minigames to a little face expression on a ballet show is not a good way of looking at it. This game was meant to be the last game, meant to tie up loose ends within the LORE. So if a minigame is mandatory to achieve the LOREkeeper ending, it gets to be very very important to the general lore. It also gets to be interpreted and doesn't have to be so literal. And also, compared to the other mandatory minigames required to achieve the Lorekeeper ending, this one is significantly more complex and big. Fruit maze is very basic, you just play the minigame. Security puppet is a bit more complex but it is still very basic (from a gameplay standpoint) but Midnight Motorist has a huge, almost freeroam map. You can go to a secret place in the woods, you can visit a place named JR's and then you go to your house, which has 2 other characters beside you. So if you're looking for deep lore in the biggest minigame that you need to complete to achieve the Lorekeeper ending in the game that was made to clarify the lore of the franchise, I wouldn't call you crazy. I still agree with you on Orangeguy being just a random guy tho. But that's my personal opinion.

[@luftkatze]

hi i watched the 8 hour fnaf video like 7 times so far glad to see another fnaf video ill rewatch on loop

[@charleswolfe8896]

Another reason why someone could say that orange guy is William, is because he's only purple when we're not playing him. Though someone will have to double-check me on that.

[@fourstrings4164]

There’s technically FNAF World? I don’t think people would count that though

[@00lizard]

I do remember hearing that in another video, but I don't remember who said that. It was something like "William is orange because we're playing as William and that's how he sees himself. When we're playing as somebody else, we see William as purple."

[@sandiematthews3099]

I love the theories that come out of this sequence because when I saw this scene for the first time I genuinely saw the mound as a puddle and I was so confused when people started calling it a grave

[@aliendilo3105]

I personally disagree with the idea that Mustard man not being William is more satisfying. I've seen your theory on what's going on and... well to me it provides nothing. No satisfaction, no answers, nothing. Sure it fits, but it's also completely worthless. The other two lore keeper games show something important. Charlie's death, the first MCI victim. These are also important things, shown through secrets in optional minigames. To say Midnight Motorist isn't important would be to disregard the others, but with your theory it's just not. It shows us a missing kid, but we already saw that, and arguably a more important kid, that being the first one. I'd be down with your theory if it turned out that the Run-away was Cassidy. But with how most people think Cassidy died, that doesn't make sense. So while yes, the Mustard man = William theories aren't the most satisfying, to me it's more satisfying than if he's not William.

[@pastelplushpaws]

Here’s my new interpretation. The empty spot is where the fnaf 4 house USED to be; the sister location bunker is hidden beneath and covered (who would even leave their secret bunker open?) The house was destroyed and the aftons moved into a new home, the midnight motorist house. This is to take on a new identity - a new *color* and a new name. Elizabeths soul, the first inside the bunker, leaks out and makes her way to Michaels window and temps him to come to the spot; a place that he would have already visited to mourn his childhood and the time he spent with his siblings before their deaths. The rain now reveals something Michael never noticed before - the bunker. We don’t see him when we are there because he has already entered the bunker and we don’t know he’s even gone until we get home. We cannot enter juniors because it is owned by Green Guy, Henry, who tries not to associate with William or his new identity. Henry manages two locations while leaving Elizabeth with the safety of the security puppet. When we see Charlie die, we know who William is, so he appears purple to the player. When he is acting as a “random civilian”, he is orange. Following MM, with Henry in too much grief to keep a close eye on fazbear property, Will harvests the remnant from the recently scrapped toys for his funtime experiments and tells Michael what the bunker really is, and what really happened to Elizabeth. But its ok, because Michaek can help SAVE her. William purchases Freddy’s as a “different” person and Fnaf 1 occurs. Following this, Will dies trying to gather the results of his longest experiment, the MCI, and he is trapped in the back room and springlocked. He left behind instructions for Michael, to put Elizabeth back together. Years pass as Henry discovers the truth and gathers all the pieces and souls left behind, trapping them in new forms, like Lefty (is this where the free souls went after Follow Me?) and preparing for the big burning. While at the same time, collectors bring light to the past with Fazbears Fright, getting to springtrap before Henry was able to find it. Michael seeks only answers, so he investigates fnaf 3 before relaying what he’s learned to Henry and beginning Fnaf 6.

[@scorpiosith]

I love your takes on this stuff. Not everything has to be a poetic parallel or odd way of telling the same story. Sometimes I think it's okay to admit that scott is making shit up as he goes, and maybe he's not that great of a story teller. It was originally just funny jump scare bear game, after all.

[@cybersaur7394]

I don't get how you can spend a huge portion of the video explaining how an 8-Bit representation of a House doesn't have to 100% match to represent the same thing, and then immediately use the size of the mound in FLAP to disprove that it's a grave. Like, why is your logic only 1 way? You claim that the Fnaf 4 house can reasonably be reinterpreted differently in 8-Bit, but why can't an 8-Bit mount be reasonably reinterpreted as a larger object? Remember, FLAP is a racing game, if the mound *is* a grave, and they made it a *realistic* size for a grave, you would literally never notice it as you fly past the spot on the map. I'd argue that, regardless of it being a grave or not, it *needs* to be large to even be noticeable; clues aren't randomly put in to be as obscure as possible, clues are put in directly to *be* noticed.

[@cybersaur7394]

Additionally, the issue with your primary interpretation; that the fnaf 4 house is being built during Midnight Motorist, is that it comes from an angle that makes no sense with how fiction is written. Genuinely, ask yourself the question, why does it *matter* that the FNAF 4 house would be under construction during Midnight Motorist? What additional insight does that provide to anything going on in the story? What answer does that do anything to help solve? Neither Midnight Motorist nor Security Puppet are attached to any important date in the timeline explicitly, so it doesn't help us narrow down a timeline. It doesn't explain any character motivations particularly well under your view, because none of these characters ever appear again or do anything in the story if they're just the family of another victim. A random family member of an unknown victim gets kicked out of Jr's to what narrative purpose? None of these are meaningful answers or plot developments. I get that saying Scott doesn't actually solve his own lore is a common criticism, but you would have to have the most jaded, nihilistic view on the series to genuinely assume that Midnight Motorist was solely put in to answer unnecessary questions that literally nobody asked. Your view on what it is, in my opinion, goes completely contrary to how all stories are written; because there is literally no 'Why' to be asked. When considering the reasons that an author included something in their narrative, the question that should always be asked in 'Why did they include this?" And if your interpretation is true, then the only answer is "For no particular reason", because seeing a random snippet of the family life of a random victim truly and utterly does nothing towards the larger FNAF narrative as a whole; it is so incongruous it simply cannot be the intention in my mind.

[@justasuppersillylittleguy]

i feel like Cheeto man is orange because orange is a stark contrast to purple guys purple, showing how different the two are, Cheeto man is abusive but not a killer and purple guy is a killer but not abusive, and Cheeto man's car is purple to show the similarity between them despite their differences and to start the conversation about them and their differences. :3

[@10superpower]

I think interpolistic is a bad word to use. It calls the word "interpolate" as a base, which means "to insert something of a different nature into something else." Something can be both symbolic and literal, but those are inherently opposite words, so inventing a new word to describe something that is both is confusing at best. A literal meaning and a symbolic meaning can be compatible, they can be similar, but they cannot be both of each other. The mound can be a literal mound of dirt, in a literal plot of land. The mound can also be symbolic of a grave, or a hideaway. However, a mound cannot be symbolic of a grave, and therefore literally a mound of dirt. It also cannot be literally a mound of dirt, and therefore symbolic of a grave. It can have both meanings, but one meaning does not include the other. I feel that this thought process will guarantee that you will confuse your audience, and eventually yourself. The best construction starts with a good foundation. I feel the best way to examine lore is to look at its literal presence and its symbolic presence as separate. They can both be important, but they are not inclusive. Borrowing your ballet example, it is possible that the character's name and the actresses' name have a symbolic relationship. Perhaps they're the same, representing the character as a self-insert. Maybe it's a name deeply personal to the actress, making their actions in the story parallel thoughts and ideas about the person the character represents. On the literal side, the names being similar could be a coincidence. Or maybe the character always gets named after the actor that plays them. Or maybe the actress chose the name simply because they liked it. All of these can be compatible with each other, but none of them include each other.

[@AbsolXGuardian]

8:08 the Fnaf3 location is inside an amusement park (opening newspaper), so that's one thing the mound/cleaning can't be. 27:26 I don't agree with this. Stuff in FLAF is all abstracted to be a cart game course. I don't think Scott has much to do with the game, but "not much" doesn't mean he won't answer an email asking "We want to put the car from midnight motorist into the game. Is this suposed to be William's car?" Or maybe Scott realized this car based game is a great chance to clear up a car related misconception, and told them to include it. The mound is as big as it is so it can be off track but still viewable.

[@mr.penguindrewmateo8146]

The reason I have a hard time believing “the antenna doesn’t mean anything” argument is how easy it is to remove. If Clickteam can remove text that says “No Secret Lore Here” they could’ve easily remove the antenna but they didn’t even after four months in the charity livestream version of the game it’s still there. Considering MM is one of the most talked about mini games in Fnaf I find it hard to believe that Scott wouldn’t notice a hint that implies that Afton is the Yellow guy and not tell clickteam to remove it.

[@AbsolXGuardian]

@mr.penguindrewmateo8146 Exactly. I'm not going to go 100 percent on this "if it was wrong they would have removed it by now" until the full version of the game releases with those elements in place, but given Scott isn't entirely cut off from the fandom, he must have become aware of this by now. So even if the modeler and description writer didn't even think that there was enough ambiguity in the situation that they even needed to ask Scott about it, if it wasn't supposed to be there, it would have been removed by now.

[@4DAT4]

Another FLAF thing people ignore are the dice on the Midnight Motor car. Why do they say 8 and 7? A d6 doesn't normally have an 8 or a 7.

[@absurdityis3925]

Loving the daily uploads give ne something to look forward to

[@BriteKnite501]

I cant remember who or find the vidoe of the theory that orange guy isnt William but it was the car he used when he killed Charlie. Its a rental car and thats why the car is still purple. The evidence comes from the Immortal and the Restless Clara says shes taking the car and Vlad says the jokes on you the cars a rental.

[@Takejiro24]

Was it Ozone who made that video?

[@BriteKnite501]

@@Takejiro24 Thank you so much yes it was. but listening back to it to make sure for this Clara the car statement escalates to Clara burning down the house which could tie into the mound being the ashes of a burned house, or the Barn that we know burned at Fall Fest.

[@stargazer6556]

Just a small theory I came up with while watching. Running with the idea that the mound is the burned remains of Fazbear frights. The animatronic footprints outside the window could be Springtrap right after escaping the ruins of that location. This could make all the lorekeeper mini games windows into different eras of William's killings. Like his murder of Charlie being the first he commits. The luring and killing of Susie, kick-starting the MCI. And finally him on the loose again after 30 years, now more of a monster in the literal sense, out on the prowl again.

[@aymenmerrad5973]

If that space means that there is a house being built there, does that mean that the dirt mound is actually just a mound of dirt, because construction is being done there, that would be very frustrating hahaha 😂

[@porcelainchips6061]

In MM the camera remains very pulled back, until it has to "zoom in" because we enter the much smaller space of a house interior. I believe there is a reason; we are staying zoomed out, like the arcade game, because Scott is trying to maintain a sense of "disconnect". We are watching the Cheeto Man live his life, we are watching how the world treats him and how he has opinions about that world. I feel like it's very dry and is suppose to contrast the arcade game; stripped away of any appeal and just presenting a moment in someone's life. We're suppose to be watching a person exist; this is the daily life of the Cheeto Man. Even how he talks about the runaway does not imply this is shocking behavior; he's not worried for the kid, because something similar has already happened before. He'll be sorry when he gets home eventually; and whatever the punishment will be will not be "new".

[@twistanturnu529]

Wild guess: Maybe the mound site is above where William built the testing site for the hallucination nightmare gas. In this idea, Mike was not tested. But he helped William take kids to test (I imo believe in Mike as a helper to the crimes). So, Mike going back to that place is him lingering to watch the tests - this is why he later has FNAF4 gameplay nightmares. Maybe a sense of guilt.

[@EdenVix]

I understand that the layout of that screen kinda looks like a house and i can see what you mean when you say it's the fnaf 4 house being built, but in that interpretation what exactly is the mound of dirt itself? I don't think you addressed that

[@DoralaCodey]

8:10 I usually throw on a random number of your videos to sleep to and I was dozing off as springtrap came into view and scared the HELL out of me😭

[@Swing_Bonnie]

I am definitely in the camp that FLaF can be used as theory fodder, but I'm not even going to try to explain away why in the world the fuzzy dice in the Midnight Motor have 87 written on them.

[@phoenixmesmer3396]

This is also how I feel about the lack of glass shards outside the child's window. Does it mean the window was broken from the outside, and the child for some reason Left Out That Same Window That He Didn't Break? Or is it a technicality Scott just didn't think of and doesn't mean anything? I have no idea anymore. And it frustrates me.

[@theoriginalcatfish]

How dare youtube hide this for 22 minutes

[@Trontotario]

What if this game is being taken place in 1982 and the cleared patch of land is where the first Freddy’s opens

[@00lizard]

100% agree, my friend. I don't want Cheeto Man (hehe) to be William Afton, but I thought I remember reading that FLAF is supposed to be a canon game, along with Into the Pit. I'll have to search for my evidence for that later, though. I'll come back and comment on that. Personally, I really like the idea that Cheeto Man is part of some random household and the minigame shows us how Afton kidnaps other children. While watching other theories lately, it's occurred to me that the DCI and MCI aren't that unique. Maybe Afton has been taking children for his experiments all along, and those two events are just when people in general started taking notice. Thoughts?

[@guyk768]

Sweet. GiBi's Horror Homestead uploaded a video on my birthday and one about Midnight Motorist no less. Epic. Time for a joke. Hello from February 7th 2025. Can't wait for the 2035 comments saying "This video came out 10 years ago. I checked."

[@holly7200]

Honestly I think the yellow man is meant to be a parallel to William. Yellow is both associated with William and purples complementary color. Them driving similar cars is also meant to tie them together. They’re both bad fathers who neglect led to their children’s deaths.

[@CraftyCopy]

My interpretation is that the "house" outline was actually the original Fredbear's building that got demolished or burned down. I also think the mound is actually the entrance to the bunker, underneath the Fredbear's building as seen on the FNAF Sister Location map. There are holes but I think its an interesting perspective none the less. Also about the size of the mound in FLAF: In racing games, like Mario Kart for example, background objects are usually made far larger due to the speed you usually go through the course. If the objects were smaller then you could easily miss them. Same goes for real life road signs are so big on highways and such, really don't want to miss those! Even looking at the blue truck at 28:11 it would be save to assume that the cupcake car with mangle inside would not be smaller then a regular blue truck. It's just an artistic choice to help with clarity. Although this is just my interpretation of what I see.

[@johancito16345]

Each day i akcnowledge that each day this minigame alone has made ireperablr damage to the fnaf franchise

[@billmyers4330]

By glitching out of bounds in FLAF you can look underneath the mound. It says the words “No Secret Lore Here”. This can be interpreted in two ways. The obvious one is that it is telling the truth, but in my opinion I believe it is more of a “gotcha this is really important” sort of thing.

[@zlbproductions7340]

I think it's more of a "What, you thought we'd answer what's under the mound in this game? Tough luck, figure it out yourself ;)" bit of teasing

[@Ferreiro_André]

I think the idea that cheeto man is william afton and scot made him yellow so we wouldn't think he's mike is really silly, considering that even if he WAS purple nobody would try and theorize that he's mike, because the text and events happening in the minigame are literally impossible to happen to mike, lets analyze it: 1- he drives (mike was never depicted as someone that can drive) 2- he drinks (mike was never depicted as a drinker) 3- if he's mike who would be the person watching TV? mikes wife? mikes roommate? mikes brother dave? but wait if dave is watching TV then who's at the locked room? 4- if he's mike then who would be the person in the locked room? Dave? but if dave is in that room why would he say "this is my house" when it definitely isn't, if anything this is his fathers house, or his mothers house, not mikes I think cheeto man is just a random victim of william

[@zlbproductions7340]

Honestly, I'm a WillMM believer, and I agree that him being orangish because of Michael is silly. Obviously it's not that. I always assumed it was "It'd be a bit hard to see him on top of the background/against his car" and/or "he's not a shadowy murder man at that exact moment".

[@itsasooz]

My personal objection to Midnight Motorist guy being William (other than why would he be not purple) is that it's not really offering much new detail or interest. Also the other two minigames are about some of the kids that got dead; why would this one be different? Under the assumption that it's about a dead kid, my speculation would be that it's meant to give backstory to the Vengeful Spirit kid- victim of abuse later turns to abuser themself.

[@FTZPLTC]

Just thinking: one of my favourite things in fiction is when something that seems like it *should* be metaphorical or symbolic turns out to be literal. FromSoft games do this a lot, and I've decided that FNAF is a FromSoft game.

[@cannibalisticrequiem]

Frankenstein (1931) is not a silent film, it's a "talkie", a term used for films that had audible dialogue heard in them. The Phantom of the Opera (1925) is a silent horror film.

[@TheBlackHare-y3z]

I have a feeling the reason stuff like midnight motorist is so confusing because it goes into the lives of the human characters which I have a feeling we're not supposed to know anything about because it would reveal way too much lore. Think about it how do we know about the human characters nothing they barely interact with each other some characters who should exist don't like both of Henry and William's wives are not in the games because doing that wouldn't reveal too much about both of them and their personal lives and it's annoying and which is why I think midnight motorist is so confusing it delves to much into the lives of the Afton's which scott wants to keep secret for lore

[@Alkeeros]

"I think looking at the Twisted Ones of the movie [to solve the clues] is fruitless." Like Fruity Maze!! The clues were all there!!

[@jackinthebox149]

Couldn’t it be a hole because that specific area very obviously shows it’s raining, a hole turned into a puddle would reflect more light and be lighter colored in 8bit

[@gxldfnch]

Gibi Upload? I'm here fr

[@porcelainchips6061]

What if, in the end, the goal of presenting us with a Cheeto man was to force us to pay attention to the scene and not look for a color to spoon-feed us the answer? Perhaps MM is asking us to look at everything else, use every other piece of information and to stop depending on the color of the man on the screen? This is what I suspect about Mrs. Afton, to some extent. There is a method in story telling where you draw attention to something by purposely always omitting it. If you say there is a conventionally-form family called the Aftons, we assume that means there is a wife/mother as part of that family. But what if you then never discuss the mother? Overtime that can actually draw more attention to the character, due to their absence, then if you had addressed them. This is a common narrative trick in mysteries; a good mystery utilizes this method well and it's hard to pick out, but more often we notice it done badly "The butler must have done it, because in 8 episodes they've never shown us where the butler was at the time of the murder". So I think Cheeto Man is asking us to pay attention to the scene, not the "visual stamp" spoon-feeding to us who the man must be (it's purple! anything purple is connected to William Afton!!!) and equally I think Scot omits Mrs. Afton because the point is to notice she is missing and she should be there, but she isn't.

[@SpaghettoGeto]

Damn William Afton drives a 1970 Dodge Challenger?

[@Toaster003]

if the mound is the foundation of the FNaF 4 house then why is it like 40x bigger than the midnight motorist house? And yet the mound in FLaF being gigantic is supposed to debunk the mound being a grave.

[@leothebrat2048]

19:45 That's not entirely true. Scott has used filenames for important stuff like "Chica's Party World" in the SL teaser. And if we're only considering the games, there's at least one instance where a filename, that being the "dream" cutscenes in FNAF 2, was important for us to understand what he intended that information to be.

[@rapth]

I think orange man is definitely William, the car has purple wheel covers, every other car in the parking lot have gray tires, and we see the same car in save him minigame williams car also has purple wheel covers

[@rorytelling]

Counterpoint: the mound is huge because a bunch of people are buried there and not just one. Idk, I never liked the interpretation that it's a grave anyway. Still think Cheeto is William though. Same car and same color as the Spring Bonny suit. Why complicate it more than FNAF already is? Though I will say I've literally never noticed the house shaped ground being a slightly different color before (am I colorblind). And I can very easily accept that something used to be there. But it doesn't seem like a build site to me

[@Montagne1234]

What if cheeto man is the friends weve made along the way

[@bigking3218]

My personal theory is that MM is about Cassidy. We got a origin for the puppet and the mci. I think this game is the origin of Cassidy. Cassidy was the runaway. Kidnapped by William in the suit. Jr's is the Fnaf 2 location. The stuff happening "out there" was William kidnapping and killing kids in the area around Fnaf 2. The later that night is referring to later after Cassidy was killed. He was killed by being put in Golden freddy and deliberately spring locked. Him being found dead in the suit is the multiple springlock failure mentioned in fnaf 3 and the event that caused fnaf 2 to go into lockdown. Cassidy came from a abusive home and that and the spring locking were the reasons he became the one you should not have killed. Mustard man is yellow to show the mini game is connected to golden freddy. He is just a abusive drunk father. ...I have absolutely no idea what the mound is about.

[@TiredMoonRabbit]

I don't think five laps as it currently stands (a now less buggy demo) should be used for any kind of theorizing, the games not done, we have no idea what it will tell us in the end. Like it's very clear that the game will have secrets hidden away that we have to unlock considering we can't naturally get to the house on the midnight motorists map and it's not visible from any angle. Just because William is driving a purple car in the game doesn't mean its the same car from "later that night", all it tells us is that he drove a purple car which we already knew, the only reason people think the car is the same is because of it's name but lets be real what else could they have called it? They need a purple car for the purple car map. And the mound, it could be that big because when we unlock whatever secret that allows us to dig it up, out will come a big interpretation of it, or we could drive into it, or a plethora of other things that it could be, it being big might just be an artistic interpretation or maybe it does mean something. Point is, we don't know with five laps, it's not done and shouldn't be used for evidence for anything in my opinion. Let me throw a very real possibility out there, the mound was just a mound, why do i say this? Because it wasn't central on the screen, it was instead off in the corner not meant to grab your attention, it was never supposed to be anything and we were just supposed to wonder why there is a empty plot of land (which we should already have the pieces to figure out sense that game was supposed to be the end of the series), but now that we have draw attention to it, scott decided to actually make it something, like better call saul telling us that both Howard and Lalos bodies are underneath the laundry matt drug lab in breaking bad. Why would he do this? Why wouldn't he? People think it must mean something so why not now make it mean something.

[@TiredMoonRabbit]

This was to long, dang it.

[@Hope-rh7rk]

the lump

[@AlexanderBlackwood-t8s]

Question: Why did William (while in the suit behind the false wall) make no attempt to get out? We can see in Fnaf 3 he can move around quite easily, so why did he not try to break out?

[@miggie_pmo]

To my understanding the way William got springtraped was because he was moving so much in the suit or he was laughing and it got wet, but is closed in on him locking him in killing him. The suit couldn’t operate properly(like golden Freddy’s sitting pose) but after they found him and brought him to frights they maybe fixed him(tho I doubt it since there’s a corpse in it) or when they were able to lock him in the standing pose like a regular animatronic his possession was kinda in the back while his default robot actions like following the sound and stuff were in control.

[@hellomitchell]

LETS GOOOOOO

[@sep3118]

78 pixels? Like 87!!!! (⁠☉⁠ ｡⁠☉⁠)

[@Midoron0Z]

umm, all tho!, i meant. cheeto man or mustard man, or the orange guy not being william afton, makes more sense since we sees both of the killings or the murderings of charlie and susie's in the same game, (fnaf 6 or also known as ffps) so why not seeing a third victim and that victim is one of the boys?, gabriel, or jeremy. or even fritz, all tho!, besides what i have said now, i still thinks that oranges man or guy is william afton, and for the mound?, i don't knows about it, and honestly, i prefers that way, because i even honestly don't cares,

[@Wishy27]

mans talking in 0.5 speed lol

[@psychotronictangent781]

is this mound... haunted???

[@zgmfx-09a]

I said interpalistic in real life and got weird glances I hate you gibi

[@amaterashort]

Gibi, i just watch another midnight motorist theory from another youtuber name cosmo and idk but it kinda make sense, even tho it's more hypotetical Before starting, the point that we should agree in this theory is -this is happen aften William kill Charlie -we playing as william So the theory say Dave is save from bite of 83 and not dead, William become alcoholic abusing father. He was heavily drunk and using Spring Bonnie to lure his own childern (Dave) and "accidently" kill him. The dirt mount is where he buried Dave body and after that he move to Freddy Fazbear Pizzaria just to see lure another childern who was Charlie, he hit her with shovel he use to burried Dave and put her in the trunk, just to set let her out like Chica school line (I'll just wait for him after school, throw a bag over his head, hit him with a *shovel* , and drag him into the back of my car! Then, when he wakes up, I'll tell him that someone was trying to kidnap and kill him.) Charlie know william lie and decide to run back to pizzaria, that's why she look panic in the security puppet minigame before William got her again and kill her. Later that night minigame is continuity after he kill Charlie, he get sober and wanted go to JR'S just to get kicked because he not realize he already being kicked before. And when he back to the house he found out Dave is not in his room and thinking if Dave go "to that place again" while in reality he already kill him. Michael didn't tell anything because he wanted to give his little brother a little freedom from his father and didn't want to interfere too much after what happened at Dave's birthday. This is mean the vengeful spirit was Dave and not Cassidy, and the golden bear that move on in happiest day was Cassidy, even in security logbook the one who got cake was Cassidy. Dave was not supposed to be killed, William not even realize he kill him, that's why he's so angry at William and torture him. Also when the vengeful spirit goes into the lake in Fnaf World we see siluet of a person hugging two other person, potraying Dave, Mike, and Elizabeth. Give more profe that the vengeful spirit was from Afton family. I think it will be more detail if you watch Cosmo video since im not really good write an essay and give you another video to idea for reaction video if you want

[@lukepower117]

I don't think I've understood your idea of "Interpolistic", especially in regards to FLAF vs FNAF. trying to understand, what I can say is that you believe the minigames are designed with a tone in mind, that leads us to certain interpretations, which are then backed up by symbolic imagry in the games. Which is then followed by "So we have to find out whats symbolic and what isn't." Which, then leads us to having arguments about what is symbolic and what is literal. As you mention this is in the eye of the beholder. You then go onto FLAF, say that the game having a litteral item of spring bonnie on the midnight motorist car that directly and symbolically links William Afton to it, means you MUST interperate the Mound as litteral. I don't understand why this is the case. Could we not simply say, "Actually, I think the Mound being larger is symbolic of the importance of a grave sight." Or any other less terrible reason, I don't understand the need to make exactly that detail have to be literal? Spring Bonnie as an Antena on the car in FLAF is still Symbolic that the car belongs to Afton, not literal, no? So its not even directly congruent with the idea that you must interperate the entire game either litterally or symbolically.

[@DissonantSynth]

Commenting for the algorithm

[@erinashlee2690]

But Gibi, is your name Gibi or Devon?? HELP

[@MysticWave62]

How can it be William we play as when there’s anamatronic feet outside the house it’s a story of one of the missing/killed kids

[@StaticNebula26]

vs the only other purple car in the series belonging to Afton, "later that night" + the same style of rain as security puppet, making sense to not introduce a new random character in the last game of the original series, plus the possibility that the footprint belongs to any other of the 50+ animatronics in the series, and the fact that Afton's signature springlock suit wouldn't do too well in the rain, and also the fact that this house in the middle of the woods, and thats not even bringing up the somehow "questionably canon" spring bonnie topper from FLaF that has yet to be removed after multiple updates to the game. yep, definitely can't be Afton...

[@MysticWave62]

@@StaticNebula26think I hit a nerve 😂

[@MysticWave62]

@@StaticNebula26and about the spring locks breaking he could of wore a mascot suit

[@StaticNebula26]

@MysticWave62 tbh you really did... I'm baffled about how *this* part of MM is still a debate. (The mound and the footprints are still up in the air imo tho) The only evidence against Afton is that our player character is orange (or dark yellow in shadow) and as you said, those footprints. I've already dismissed the footprint evidence. It doesn't have to be Afton. and the PC being orange or actually dark yellow in shadow is like everyone else says, at the end of SL, we had a literal purple guy and a figurative purple guy which led to the even dumber debate of Miketrap vs Willtrap. Scott decides to make William yellow because springbonnie is yellow to make it clear this is William, not Mike.

[@StaticNebula26]

@MysticWave62 At the time of Fnaf 6, we had almost no evidence of mascot suits even existing. Fnaf 6 was 1.5 years before Help Wanted, roughly the same gap between fnaf 1 and fnaf 4 and look how much the story changed and grew between that gap, Steel Wool wasn't even on Scott's radar at the time of fnaf 6. This is all to say since this was supposed to be the final game, and to tie up loose ends, it would make very little sense for this to be a previously unheard of mascot suit, and for that to be the evidence that the footprints are William's.

[@Teoriak]

1:57 the color yellow is also associated with Afton, his hump also means that the yellow man symbolizes Afton more than not

[@FTZPLTC]

Part of this video has got me wondering: if people believe that FLAF is delivering big canon lore confirmations... why is the Midnight Motorist thing the only one I'm hearing about? I haven't played FLAF, and I'm almost certain that most people who've told me that it 100% proves anything about the mainline game lore won't have played it either. My suspicion is that they know about this one big Thing because it's been mentioned in one theory video and then taken on by a bunch of others. So that would mean they're mostly two or three steps removed from anyone who's played it. Now, I can't prove that, and I'm not invested enough to buy and play a kart racer to do so - although it's close enough to the original Super Mario Kart that I might be tempted? But the fact that I'm really only hearing one or two things about it from a lore perspective is making me very sceptical.

[@Coca_456-3]

hey cervantes

[@ALS0000oo]

Hi coca!

[@diegodankquixote-wry3242]

Why does every youtube video have 2 thumbnails now?

[@rorytelling]

Gaming the algorithm. Different people can get different thumbnails and the creator can look at the analytics and see which one draws in more viewers

[@sutarikun]

I still say the Midnight Motorist is William's father, JR's is (if we're going with William grew up in the UK) short for Jolly Roger's, the missing son is William... No clue about the mound still, though.

[@DUSKSANE]

Why tho? that theory doesnt make any sense at all, its backed up by nothing and if ''real'' it only provides us, players with unnecessary lore information about william who... ran from abuse to the bar? for a WHOLE minigame thats a part of LOREKEEPER ENDING. How do you explain the obvious footprints? Broken window? Like why just why, it still suprises me to this day how midnight motorist - a really simple minigame is seen in 200 diffrent ways. I really hope this is a satire

[@A-BYTE94]

Ye

[@crazybacon777]

I think the mound of dirt could be Dave or the box. Yknow, THE box. Could also be a rock acting as a tombstone for Dave since yknow, if the body is hidden so much so that it's in a random clearing, we don't want attention to it. Aftom then would put a random rock on it so he can know where it is.

[@paydaygh9388]

My buddy “solved” MM (not really). It’s not a minigame to prove anything. It’s to disprove things. It disproves WillCare because William is (presumably) a violent drunk who punishes his kids. CC is the runaway to either disprove that he dies first, or to disprove that he dies after the Big Bite. Michael tells William to leave CC alone to disprove what Mike is a willing participant or servant. I like his theory, but it doesn’t solve the mound and outline. I was so sad when I realized his theory can’t be proven until the mound is solved.

[@GordonFeetman-d5z]

55 views in 4 minutes? Bro fell off

[@UpStartTugBoat]

Cheeto man… now that’s a new term for the Yellow-Orange man

[@nbclover7880]

I appreciate a second video dedicated to NOT solving this minigame. I've said before that I don't think the yellow rabbit antenna detail means anything. I see it 2 ways: 1) the Midnight Motor is intended to be William's car as seen in take cake to the children. It's named that either as a reference, or because of 2) the folks at clickteam (not scott) who made this game believe that cheeto man is William, a common community theory. Like you said, everyone who thinks the minigame is about the aftons don't agree on other aspects of the game. It's likely to me that enough devs agreed on this fact to reference spring bonnie in the car, thus connecting it to the minigame. I don't think flaf is canon, but more than that, I don't think scott would remove such a detail if it went against his intention. Scott thought that the antenna was cute, that it would be accepted as non-canon easily and not cause problems, or maybe he didn't see it at all before release. If the last one was true, it would be way too much interference for him to have the detail removed. Big ramble of a comment, sorry. Love your videos. I agree completely that midnight motorist, just like fruity maze and candy cadet's stories, is meant to give backstory for william's "victims". Thematically, fnaf 6 is a game about tying up loose ends, and bringing all of the people harmed by william to justice/resolution. Okay bye

[@thepuppeteerandpals8771]

Personally for me, I just don't think it really means anything if you ask me. And I also think the minigame is just showing us "Oh hey guys! So the orange guy is just an abusive father of one of the missing children and blah, blah, blah" You don't have to agree with me. But to me, it just makes more sense that way

[@darthvaderreviews6926]

The 5 Laps At Freddy's point about the size of the mound is IMO extremely weak. 1. The game has a cartoony artstyle that does not follow canonical sizes whatsoever. Compare to things like JRs and you can clearly see the size difference here. The whole track in question appears to be from an overall "shrunk" perspective on the part of the karters. 2. In a scenario where FLAF was supposed to add new canonical lore, the idea that the mound was always supposed to be bigger doesn't make _any_ sense unless it's a full blown retcon. If Scott had always intended the mound to be that big, he would've just enlarged it in Pizza Sim in the first place, this is not a scenario where escaping 8-bit can "add more detail". It's far more defensible to just stick to the position FLAF is nonsense. I think by being _too_ vigorous an advocate here you've worsened your points.