DRIVE DENOMINATION (NOTHING LIVES, BINDS, SAVES) (w/ Peter Rollins) / Christian Atheism Dialogues

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@RahulSam Ай бұрын

Finding atheism at the core of Christianity is indeed what makes the Christian Atheism project radical. Could it be a Badiouan Event similar to the protestant reformation? We'll only know in retrospect, but I do know there's something traumatic to it, too. For instance, I've been sharing a lot of Peter's work with my Christian friends (I, too, am some kind of a Christian), and despite Peter being one of the most cordial individuals and his public talks are always affable, most of the people I've shared his work with are antagonistic towards Pyrotheology and the like. The reason, in my view, is because Christian Atheism is an immanent critique (much like what Hegel does with presuppositionless metaphysics), and so finding this atheism within Christianity is diametrically opposed to an atheism imposed from the outer, which we see from the New Atheists. This immanent atheism does more violence (in the good sense) to our subjectivity, leading to alienation (again, a good thing). In that vein, despite you or Peter not particularly using this language, I think Christian Atheism is a deeply ethical project.

@PhilosophyPortal Ай бұрын

Absolutely, the I would even say that the core of the Christian Atheism project is its stakes for ethics. And I like your connection to the notion of Event similar to the Protestant Reformation. I will very much be attempting to connect the ideas of Christian Atheism as yet another extension of that reformation, to make Christianity even more radically historical to bring out its truth and its ethical potential, as opposed to de-historicising it.

@nightoftheworld Ай бұрын

I agree. Xtian Atheism seems to be the living dead’s ‘desert in the oasis of life’, a view near to Chesterton’s reading of Job’s alienation and restoration. To me it has adjacency with Layman Pascal’s post-post-cynic-perhaps XA could be considered post-post-salvation? Those who believe that ‘the kingdom of God is on Main Street’ that ‘God doesn’t exist, God insists’ and that ‘out of the foaming ferment of finitude, spirit rises up fragrantly.’

@nightoftheworld Ай бұрын

I agree. Xtian Atheism seems to be the living dead’s ‘desert in the oasis of life’, near to Chesterton’s reading of Job’s alienation and restoration. To me it has adjacency to Layman Pascal’s post-post-cynic-perhaps XA could be considered post-post-salvation? Those who believe that ‘the kingdom of God is on Main Street’ that ‘God doesn’t exist, God insists’ and that ‘out of the foaming ferment of finitude, spirit rises up fragrantly.’

@cameronsmith8775 Ай бұрын

This feels like I am watching the history of ideas unfold in real time, what an exciting time. Thank you both for all of your work!

@PhilosophyPortal Ай бұрын

🙏 I appreciate that, thank you for tuning in

@sketchesoharlem Ай бұрын

Was on the fence about joining the course, but after this talk, it's a no brainer. There were two points that I really resonate with and have come across in my current readings. In bell hooks' All About Love, she quotes a definition of love as "the will to extend one's self for the purpose of nurturing one's own or another's spiritual growth", this explains love as two-fold, towards oneself then to others. I thought of this When Peter mentioned the primary narcissism of the child and says how it's necessary to become a subject so that then "when we love we pawn a little bit of our narcissism." I thought this was a great explanation of the two-fold nature of the other, 1. deep inside of ourselves and 2. out amongst other people. The other point you made was about hip-hop and it's roots in "black culture which is (was) excluded from mainstream American culture." I very much appreciate this perspective, as I'm sure you are aware, there are not a lot of black voices in this space, likely due to the nature of the relationship of black culture and the church, but that's for another time. I've been reading Toni Morrison's writings lately and I am realizing that they contain a language that expresses the lack that is experienced due to the history of African-American's in America, the experience of being an outsider. They also contain the language of response to this oppression, which is echoed in the blues and jazz that are the roots of hip-hop. Morrison's writings and other writing of the black experience are “about love or its absence", she herself says, "“Black people never annihilate evil, they don’t run it out of their neighborhoods, chop it up, or burn it up. They don’t have witch hangings. They accept it. It’s almost like a fourth dimension in their lives." My overall point here is that the black experience, specifically in Morrison's writings can be, just as other great text, wrestled with in order for both individuals and groups to develop the ability to thrive as an outsider, existentially. This "language of lack" is important in that it allows us to confront the lack in our own lives and learn to live with it and embrace. I am very much looking forward to this course and the opportunity to better understand this language and mode of being. Great work!

@PhilosophyPortal Ай бұрын

Thanks so much for this comment, its brilliant. Hopefully the course will help to bring out some of these dimensions, both of narcissism-love, as well as accepting and learning to work with evil, of which the language of lack may be crucial.

@tegan2mares Ай бұрын

Something I've been thinking as it involves physically developing horses (dressage) working through trauma physically, and getting ready to write about it, and listening to this (glad I found you again Cadell) : Every science needs a soul, and every body needs a core. Otherwise repressions/external rigid structures are required as crutches, and come into the body and mind automatically (yet pathologically) as self limiting range of motion/ thinking/experiencing. It takes time and very specifically developed systematic training to develop a core, if we are to be able to overcome a problem (ei a trauma, or the problem for the horse of carrying the weight of the rider)

@walterramirezt Ай бұрын

What a lovely guy

@andrewluber880 Ай бұрын

I think the true horror is that when you make it to the top and you break the matrix you can’t go back. That you’re in a fixed and locked position. That’s the true horror.

@animefurry3508 Ай бұрын

I was actually just in Ireland and Northern Ireland all August. Loved Ireland a most beautiful country, I miss it! With Saint Stephen's University, studying Peace and Liberation Theology! Some of my fellow students mentioned Peter Rollins with high regards. And I was like wait I know that name, from my political studies! Funny the strange connections we don't know, lol. Do you Peter Rollins know Jonny Clark!?

@TheOrthodoxHeretic Ай бұрын

Ha! I know him well (mind you, Belfast is a small place). But we lived together for a few years in a part student house, part squat that we called Tates Modern (it was on a road called Tates Avenue, and the inside was like some dystopian art project). He’s a lovely guy.

@nightoftheworld Ай бұрын

1:43:15 Do y’all know of NSK State? Slovenian art collective which formed a virtual global state in 2002. Neue Slowenische Kunst (New Slovenian Art) w/passports and all. They are still around, would love for y’all to talk.

@missh1774 Ай бұрын

1:14:00 🤣🤣 that's the words I should have used for a longtime friends last and final accusatory speech... "hyper commitment" not fanatic or obsessive compulsive 🤣🤣

@FlavioRicardodaSilva Ай бұрын

Philosophy is essentially a consequence of the work of the negative, it seems to me. And if it is right, does philosophy comes, originally, from a resentful position?

@stephenxc Ай бұрын

Bro chose to become a meth addict? No way that worked out for him.

@PhilosophyPortal Ай бұрын

Ebert has spoken about this publicly. Now that I think on it, it may have been heroin. Either way, I know he has publicly spoken about choosing to become addicted to hard drugs in order to overcome that addiction. I'll be speaking with him soon in prep for the CA course on his Substack and will make sure to bring this up again.

@mcosu1 Ай бұрын

Talk about hubris

@turner373 29 күн бұрын

Where is the liturgy he’s talking about? Are there other Pyrotheologians? Is he aware of Pyrrho, Sextus Empiricus, Diogenes, Nargarjuna or Nishatani? He seems to reify the no-thingness, lack or dividedness at the heart of reality into a kind of existent entity and uses the word inherently an awful lot and despite seeming to encourage an engagement with the real and disavowal of self help, isn’t this just another kind of self help couched in negative terms? Transcending the need for transcendence is still a kind of self help, why do we need a theology, church or liturgy in the first place? Is the awareness of our predicament meant have a liberating effect? Isn’t Pyrotheology just another master discourse? Isn’t the Church of the Contradiction still making a claim about the good in that its lack centered theology is closer to the truth, that there is value in not being deceived? In what sense is not being deceived worth anything to the subject? Is the whole project a performative contradiction?

@benjaminfranklin7263 Ай бұрын

Behold, behold! The thing that acts. Muscle and sinew move in calculated efficiency. See how obediently it repays its debt, forever. Heartbeat is the sound of birth repayment. Eternal production consumption machine Takes the stage, like it did before. Samsara, my love, baptize me One more time into your cold command. Such duty no King can know, Nor gold measure its weight. Master's whip longs for that pliable flesh. And sacred texts fail to persuade. Heroes of legend sway not its duty With stories of giants atop a hill. And legacy’s roots remember well What the sands portend. To desire to desire to become Is your warm gifted shackle. An umbilical cord that stretches For millions of lives. Eternal birth death machine Takes the stage, like it did before. Emancipation nevermore. Emancipation nevermore.