Door Supervisor Physical Intervention Training

[@JamesMMcCann]

In all my years on the doors, I've yet to have anyone try to grab my wrist.

[@jovanlazic7849]

I have been involved in conflict management and physical restraint for over 30 years .. I use to be an SIA trainer and stopped because I do not believe that the physical part of the course is adequate and does not prepare people to be competent to physically manage truly aggressive people. I refuse to teach it and give false hope. There is little to no pressure testing so what is the yard stick to measure if someone can manage another individual on their own in self defence or as a team. The law says staff need to be trained to be competent, Section 2 (2), Health & Safety at Work Act 1974 .. Passing a course like this does not make you that !!! Being trained this way will cause people to get injured at the first sign of trouble because they are brain washed to believing that they have the skill, knowledge and judgment to manage aggressive individuals. SIA need to revisit the PI element. Get this right give good people the proper skills to do the job correctly !!!

[@uknighthuntingvision93]

+Jovan Lazic I'm a head Doorman and I would agree with SIA trainer that verbal skills are paramount but the physical intervention skills is a complete joke and of no use whatsoever. When on occasion the punter or punters want to throw hands or indeed attempt to stab or glass you then these skills or relying on them will get you seriously hurt or at least in physical trouble. Not the SIA trainers fault after all he is making money teaching you this; in his heart of hearts if he is an experienced Doorman then he will be thinking WTF!

[@uknighthuntingvision93]

Pantelis Tzimas lol The actor or the fictional character.............. Who knows!

[@TravisBickle0312]

Jovan Lazic I don't believe in most self defense techniques anyway, I'll go through the motions on the course but on the actual day if I'm in a fight I'll just double leg ya and call the cops.

[@darrennorton4068]

Jovan Lazic great reply. I teach extra courses to DS staff on self defence. I was a SIA trainer myself and like you stopped as it is not enough. Maybo is also the worst PI system I have ever seen.

[@shadowpriest7386]

I'm about to do my physical intervention day on Monday, doing licencing law at moment. but I have 20 years of martial arts training. Do you thing I should keep quiet and it?

[@richardlyons7639]

Been a doorman for 20 years, been attacked more times than I care to remember, but no one has ever grabbed my wrist. This is like Aikido without the hakamas. Total BS. If you’re a doorman and want to make it home in one piece, study boxing and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. BJJ for restraining people, standing preferably. Boxing for when all else fails. Other than that, use your experience and wit. I find a sense of humour can go a long way in this game, shows people you don’t take yourself too seriously, people look at you as someone else doing their job as opposed to a “bouncer”

[@lookbetll8353]

Richard Lyons BJJ yeah. But it’s Mauy Thai that you need.

[@Swiminator_08]

Insightful comment, joining an mma gym now

[@jakehooper6248]

Krav Maga is the one

[@ForseyMr]

"And most of all, it has home office approval"..so its shite then!

[@460samh]

I've done this type of training to deal with behaviours from those with severe autism. I can assure anyone that it does not work. You go with your own instinct at that moment in time, if it means not getting your arm bitten then you will try anything other than what you've been trained.

[@losedarkhorse]

Been at doors in Luton and have done some notoriously insane no go Venues on busy nights. You know when things about to kick off and sometimes it happens without any signs. 9/10 times your experience backed up by common sense will get you out of trouble and that 1 time you will have to resort to old school type conflict management. This sort of training provides students with artificial sense of security that they have what it takes to control and diffuse violent situation, in reality when the bell rings and you hear code red on the headset you see them become confused and looking lost. It's best to go through the course but not to rely on it to get you out of trouble, you spent time and learn but also safe guard your own safety.

[@okcomputer6033]

You aren't really making any point here. Maybe you just felt the need to be heard.

[@nigelfarage69]

@@okcomputer6033 he clearly made his point. The physical intervention part of the course is a waste of time and don’t rely on it for your own safety. Anything else you need explaining?

[@okcomputer6033]

@@nigelfarage69 sorry I actually agree with this it makes sense. I dont know why I reacted like that, I jumped to conclusion before understanding

[@nigelfarage69]

@@okcomputer6033 no worries! Enjoy your day.

[@wishmastermaker]

iv just finished my 4 day course today, and andrew russell who taught me was great. and with it being my first time going in security, i was quite shocked how much he taught me in the 4 days i was there even though iv had no clue about security in the past, dont get me wrong its not easy. i had people there who were renewin there badge and telling me it was easy and a piece of cake and not to worry, on the 4th day they were telling me how shocked they were and how intense it was and not easy

[@stefomate]

my course is this friday, doing it in belfast with get-licensed. cant wait

[@CPO121]

God help the security industry !

[@goin2security785]

Thanks for posting guys, the techniques appear to be based on Akido?

[@justicereplacedbyrevenge]

I worked as a"doorman" for over ten years and started just before the whole S.i.a thing came to play. Now I think the key to being a good doorman is diplomacy and tact, but there are occasions where you have no choice to go down a physical route. The physical/conflict training in this video is absolutely laughable, wouldn't work in a real situation in the slightest.

[@moobsman1]

Modo in concert square to be exact was me first door.

[@Lesturpin]

love to see wrist grabs work against a non compliant 20 stone drunk. people skills an communication are great but you got to be able to back it up when the shit hits the fan, fact

[@michaelmuirhead803]

wrist lock works just apply more pressure and push backwards believe me you want the pain to stop and don't think of fighting then.

[@katieferry1462]

Only if the person is letting you apply it. what if the person happens to be punching fuck out of your face as you 'apply pressure'..then what? Or snarling like a rabid dog trying to tear your flesh with his teeth? Or heaven forbid he knows some moves too and sees your wrist lock coming from a mile away?

[@michaelmuirhead803]

If you have locked in fast enough it no one could get a punch look the pressure hard seen it done to a massive guy in a night club and he tried to punch and couldn't do anything what so ever. I have seen many techniques used from physical intervention granted don't look like would work but I have seen them work first hand and fact is they do work.

[@katieferry1462]

Thats fair enough but then say you dont get it locked in fast/he knows how to fight..then what? Or you let go after he 'appears calm' and starts lacing you with headbutts. Will wrist locks work then?

[@michaelmuirhead803]

Chop or palm strike to neck no matter how hard someone is all you do is try and breath nothing else crosses your mind like say you have pins and needles you don't try and do anything but move your feet same principle.

[@jimp7173]

IV been on door for over 23 years and I did this course last year to keep myself up to date in my qualifications. But trust me the SIA course for doing door work is 99.9% a waste of time and money and the physical intervention part is a complete joke. The whole thing was obviously thought up by someone in an office who had never done door work before.

[@harrygeorge7296]

Just got my badge through mate only thing I am worried about is how easily you can loose it if you actually need to defend yourself. How easily can it be lost?

[@undisturbed809]

@@harrygeorge7296 was the crouse hard in any way

[@harrygeorge7296]

@@undisturbed809 not at all mate a fucking idiot could do it.

[@moobsman1]

I found that the on the job training I got was far more beneficial to me than anything the SIA taught me. Learn basic wrestling and either boxing or Muay Thai combined with all the 'dirty shit' and you are good to go. Hope you have a safe career boss.

[@freddysmalls187]

Am doing my test very soon this video helps me knowing what am gonna be learning

[@moobsman1]

All that hand on wrist stuff wont work mate. You get some pissed off drunk who lifts weights and has a roid issue and try and grab his wrist while he is frantic... I bet my ass you wont manage it. The best thing to learn is pre emptive strikes for blunt force trauma. Hit hard hit fast and hit first if the guy is too big to grapple with. Classroom teaching only brings you up to date on how the government want you to do things. Guys who dont work at 2am on a Sat night.

[@deathsmessenger]

omg i dunno what else to say ive never had time to warm up before i go in to stop some poor guy getting feed his own teeth. in real world situations this stuff just doesn't work not when u find yourself in middle of a full blown 10 v 10 fight. and yes sometimes fights just happen with no warning or they happen when you dealing with another issue. the industry is just a dumping ground for the job centres

[@masses_gains]

doing my onw next week

[@ryanbrown2100]

Submission wrestling is your friend.

[@djeq721]

Rightly so mate, where abouts did you start working?

[@djeq721]

If you try the stuff shown in this video on a drunk, drugged up fella who is kicking off 1. It's not going to work and you're just going to aggravate him more and 2. You're going to get seriously hurt. A lot of this is just escape and break away and then the instructor moves BACKWARDS from the individual, what kind of signal is that giving out if you're backing away? Doesn't take a genius.

[@mrazlanshahzad8646]

Well done Ahil

[@davidrobson672]

The training is inadequate for job, no one can have a weekend course can be trained to deal with intoxicated members of the public. When it comes to using the training the conscience will kick in and you will freeze. I've done aikido which is a martial art that is designed for getting out of a situation with without causing harm to the individual because aikido is all about redirecting the positive flow of energy coming from the person stepping towards you.

[@TravisBickle0312]

david robson Aikido is the fakest martial art out there.

[@garythetotalbastard]

What do you think?I would say if you have to ask and cant be bothered to get fit you may want to pick a different job.

[@amigosland8874]

this guy looks like from job centre :D

[@cryptogee172]

Doing PI on Monday as the final day of the SIA course, so many of the comments here don't fill me with much confidence in it's real life application lol

[@Calyptico]

You call for backup.

[@moobsman1]

Liverpool Mate.

[@clutcher96]

How hard are the exams

[@joeyrockerdude]

how they can expect door staff to be safe on the job is beyond me, a P.I course is just another bit of paper the government wants you to pay for. Ask any DS with abit of experience and they'll tell you that 9 times out of 10 the techniques you learn in class aren't goin to be effective in real world environments. Bit of advice, learn a grappling based martial art, train week in week out and and you might stand a chance, but a 12 hour course for one day aint gonna give you fuck all

[@skedtm]

Why is it that official courses seem to be a waste of time, yet a quick 5 minute youtube defence video (a good one like Lee Morrison) would benifit me far more. Do you need to be big to be a doorman. I'm not heavy but still feel i could handle myself

[@dadsarmy0070]

Sorry to say that at least 50% of Door Supervisor (Bouncers) love having a ruck and will use any excuse to have one, just a shame they give the other 50% a bad name.

[@ozzykaptan8864]

when you show up to do your sia course do they do a drug test?

[@uknighthuntingvision93]

+FreakonWheels No, and it is a shame that they did not do a Drug test on the Gov Wankers who formulated the SIA and its useless training. Clearly they were on heavy illicit drugs at the time.

[@dinomacak1842]

This training how to do the when kicks off how remove person out

[@wishmastermaker]

@Demagix1 no not at all lol, anyone can do it, it helps to be fit and healthy dont get me wrong, but it definatly would'nt stop you getting licenced,

[@MrChilo89]

it easy to find work with this qualification?

[@michaelmuirhead803]

I have had work since April Pheonix are great

[@dustyants]

I start my SIA training in two weeks i'm looking forward to it

[@mmjcturner]

This video and door security licensing is an to attempt teach the customer service aspect and legitimize bouncing due to the reputation some bouncers were giving the trade. Many bouncers have abused their position and have made ill fated decesions affecting both the punter and themselves, these coarses are designed to filter who can attain a security position and also carry-out their work with minimal risk for all parties. However, breaking a grip and parrying a punch will only get you so far.

[@laucys]

Hello, has anyone received their results for door supervisor exam ? I am waiting 2 months still not receiving answer.

[@basildonboi18]

oh right the mans an ex para, that means he knows everything about the job and is an expert in hand to hand combat! didnt know part of p company was krav maga and self defence!!!!

[@SuperTightheadprop3]

@ppnumber1 Here here

[@MrTrix92]

@whiteasasheet since when have you ever heard of a pub fight with 10 rugby players and if anything like that was to happen then im sure the police would be called

[@williambraganzahanna950]

This kind of training will just get you badly hurt,as your right to truly defend yourself or your life is suspended by taking level 2.

[@gabrielmartin2197]

I loved my SIA training but was said it was a fraud, beware! And always search the course you are attending, because you may pass it but not get the certificate.

[@TheChrisglasgow]

Its stupid courses like this that'll get people hurt.

[@MrGrifs21]

I think there should be a bit of both sides as I have seen for the last year or so at least 6 times that door staff get outnumbered and beet down long before the police could arrive mostly because the could not do anything to a person when they where one to one or worse 3 to 1. witch in the old days would not happen because the people attacking would not have the balls to jump them. But these days they just don't have any respect for door supervisors...

[@TheGatesOfFire]

bouncers + communication skills ???

[@dangerousdazza]

Is the exam easy?

[@Imashedjesscarabbit]

Darren Armstrong yes it's like a theory test if you have done it

[@Mo-xx9gg]

Most of the techniques have been designed to work well in demonstrations and are incredibly "learnable" and easy to evidence apparent competence! There is no real self defence and nothing useful should you find yourself in a fight! Some of the light physical restraint and escorting techniques will work for semi compliaint people. A focus on team-based restraint should be the main thing, together with highly pressure tested knife defence techniques. Beyond that - you should invest in your own fitness, strength and CQC skills over many years, and make sure that you have a few guys who are of that calibre on any operational team to bridge the gap that the "new breed" of door supervisors has created!

[@securitytrained4224]

To be a door supervisor today you need the best possible training by trainers with decades of experience! Not only that they must be able to teach it's all well and good being an expert but, if you don't have the ability to embed your skills into others it's a problem. There are some on the door to today that have had 'fast buck' training and are at risk injuring themselves or others or with the law.

[@michaelmuirhead803]

as if the club at the is Zanzibar Stockton.on.tees haha

[@TravisBickle0312]

Michael Muirhead As if ;)

[@whiteasasheet]

@MrTrix92 u must live in a nice area my friend by the time the police land its all over and all that is left is a mound if knocked out doormen wake up you need capable fighting men on doors not people who are from the dole of someone who has done a two days self defense class.

[@itsmike9227]

😂🤣

[@Calyptico]

Don't go to that venue. I most normal establishments, the cowboy days are over.

[@whiteasasheet]

if the pub goes up with 10 rugby players fighting give me ten hard men anyday these little skinny people will be total smashed to bits

[@itsmike9227]

I'm done 😭

[@TheRobbie40]

Misleading video- The home office do not approve techniques outside of HM prison and juvenile secure estate. Toolbox of techniques? Unfortunately many of these techniques (like many others taught in the industry) are too complex in the out of control moment. Training is a science and the platform for developing any non physical and/or physical skill should be underpinned by physiology, psychology and human emotions.

[@Nawweh]

I have been reading the comments, and I have to agree. It doesn't all work. And I should know, I'm an Instructor? I would like to point out though, that Maybo techniques is shite!!!!

[@rancedavis4865]

ive done door and festival work since the early 90,s the sia was introduced basickly to get rid of the residential hardmen with violent criminal backgrounds that worked the door with no training other than to smash your face in if they didnt like you, i saw this alot as i started security during these times, worked with so many of them, the sia wants to ensure a safer friendlier approach to customer care, people dont want to be terrified of the doormen, back in the day the public was , now we have to be nice and polite and try to ensure them a safe and happy time, though i will say the sia physical intervention training can and will get you hurt, its not realisticly based, a fight in real life isnt choreographed, and the locks used will not deter a big/ strong and very determined opponent, or someone with fighting knowledge, we should not forget however that most apponents will possibly be pissed out of their heads by time they kick off with us so they wont be as sharp or accurate with their hands but let me tell you that addrenaline is an amazing thing, so dont assume cos their drunk they wont have the capacity to knock you about, i am a 3 dan black belt at kickboxing and former instructor, im also very experienced in krav maga, this training has gotten me out of a number of nasty situations when shit really hits the fan, so heres a heads up to those wanting to do door work, dont just do the sia and think your ready, get some training in combat behind you just to help give you an edge, a martial art such as bjj or krav maga is recomended, but again only use if necessary, end of the night or day if it does come to blows then we,ve failed.

[@mathewstovell5167]

Well said. I am about to go on an S.I.A door supervisor training course. I actually worked as a "Doorman" 16 years ago - when all you needed was a local council badge. I'm going back to the work - but of course need an S.I.A license. Even the people teaching these drills know they're useless, but hey-ho, they get paid to teach it. Of course, the Nightclub owners and Doorman agencies have less chance of being sued if/when a punter gets hurt. As they can say that they employed licensed doormen who "did the correct training".

[@rancedavis4865]

good on you mathew, yes i agree even the instructors on the courses are saying the intervention stuff isnt any good but have to teach it tto keep sia happy,

[@fizzy3427]

Thanks for this insight, rance, studying now for SIA. I would not have supposed these techniques would do any good. All I know for sure is that (from being half stamped to death as a youngster) that avoiding these street confrontations with people out of their senses and fuelled by testosterone is paramount. There's no time to be fancy when you're set upon.

[@christopherfozzy9639]

in what world do you only put 1 guy out he has pals your only 1 man your going to get your ass kick doing this way lol

[@itsmike9227]

😂

[@basildonboi18]

Just because the blokes an ex para doesn't mean he knows anything about hand to hand combat and such things. Tabbing 20 miles with a 40kg Bergen doesn't make you chuck Norris. This is a load of bollox!

[@benbudin]

I'm doing the course.The people attending they look way out of shape skinny uncapable of doing 10 push ups or very over weight...I being doing real martial arts all my life. this shit is garbage.

[@stephenperkins9877]

NOT an SIA approved company anymore I see...

[@itsmike9227]

Read the comments & you will know why 😂

[@mindjab]

These techniques are now outdated.

[@kenboon1478]

If the " S I A " license gets me a job working doors and looking at women in short skirts all night then I'm all for it!!

[@jamienhb9770]

almost everything you learn in these classrooms is useless

[@rationalsatanist1811]

4:38 so drunken 20 stone thugs only have right arms do they ? LMFAO

[@rationalsatanist1811]

2:`16 yeah protect life when being unarmed. this is utter bullshit.

[@mgtowchampion7961]

Complete bollocks