S2 E7: Moriori | RNZ

[@samurainoddy]

Give the Moriori back their land they’re the originals

[@eeeaten]

their land was given back

[@killerangel4613]

Not happening, but we’re getting it back off British

[@PR-WAY]

There the same people as maori tho what a you on

[@ttamihana7879]

Educate yourself instead of being misinformed by twisted minds !!

[@turtlestuff7]

@@PR-WAYsadly very wrong

[@tinyfreckle]

Okay so the Crown has apologised for failing to protect the Moriori people from the Maori enslaving them but have the Maori Iwi involved ever apologised for brutally genociding and enslaving the Moriori? Coz I can't find that apology anywhere.

[@nztoma]

No Māori never apologised formal and the crown has apologised and also paid out 18 million dollars

[@iankinnell5643]

Don't be silly that will be extremely unlucky to happen they will only do it if forced much like the crowns apology

[@steveboy7302]

Have you looked it up of course you didnt

[@TheKiwimist]

Dont hold all tribes of NZ responsible for this.

[@tinyfreckle]

@@TheKiwimist No, specifically Ngati Mutunga and Ngati Tama

[@dwaynewarby6621]

Who is paying for this PR? My favourite line, "now that sounds brutal...but." But nothing mate, they slaughtered a bunch of pacifists, call it what it is.

[@eeeaten]

it's a history show about the facts, not an analysis of who was to blame. it's obvious to all that this genocide was a horrible event and that the people who did it were warriors from ngati mutunga and ngati tama.

[@nztoma]

We are paying for it and the Māori people are paying with there own identity and History being rewritten. They almost blame the Crown of 1840s for not stopping the Māori customs of slavery sooner, the Genocide occurred in 1835, 5 years before the treaty was signed by only 500 Māori. How long Did Māori Keep slaves after the treaty??? This information is very difficult to find, there is one book written by English lady who is very pro Māori ( most likely to get better acknowledgment) she even goes so far as to say this about Māori slavery ……(pleaded tearfully to be allowed to remain where they were, such were the bonds of attachment to their new masters) haha that basically sums up her bias views so I don’t want to waste my money purchasing her book. I have asked the two host I helped pay for for more information but I’m just deleted. Simple question when was all Māori slavery stop in nz and was any slavery arrangement prior to treaty not part of the Treaty. No a difficult question is it

[@__Ben777__]

Don't forget they also sacrificed children (and women) by staking them out on a beach to die, eaten alive by crabs and birds. 10% of the population of 2000.

[@robintamihere4550]

@@nztoma You clearly do not fully comprehend the impact Longterm slavery has on a persons metal state of mind. When she states the slaves ……(pleaded tearfully to be allowed to remain where they were, such were the bonds of attachment to their new masters), she is refer to this behaviour as the ''Stockholm syndrome'', this is a normal human response, it has nothing to do with bias. If you read her book than you already know the answer to your own question. you are just time wasting dude.

[@peterterry4630]

Nothing factual or historic about this. We know very little about what actually went down. There were very few Moriori left to tell their side of the whole story. Remember victors write the history so you can hardly construe what’s been said here as factual. Perhaps based on fact.

[@davethewave7248]

Ngati Mutunga and Ngati Tama were heavily armed with muskets, and so could not have felt 'threatened' by Moriori. The lesson of the early musket wars was muskets completely outweighed the numbers of the opposing side. The fact is that these iwi had been involved in brutal tribal warfare for over a decade, and planned to subjegate/ conquer the Moriori before they even left. Not a shred of mercy was shown to them.

[@Mr_Riffman08]

Where's your proof and where's your sensibility...

[@robertmiller2173]

This is common knowledge down here in the South Island and passed on first hand by Moriori and well documented, come down and visit our great Library, its all there for you to read and see and learn. @@Mr_Riffman08

[@redsnapper2889]

@@Mr_Riffman08The proof is in this video bro

[@Mr_Riffman08]

@@redsnapper2889 so you know for a fact based on this here video that Taranaki tribes travelled to Rekohu with the intention of enslaving them showing no mercy huh?tell me why is it they up an left?

[@redsnapper2889]

@@Mr_Riffman08 basically less ships were stopping at the Chattams and the whaling industry had dried up. The enslavement of moriori only stopped then. Have you even watched the video??

[@philipwilliams6307]

This was a good report that's child friendly, as there's more horror to the story that wasn't touched on, like the 12 year pld girl that was murdered and ripped apart and displayed on a stake. Truly horrific barbaric customs of the Maori no doubt. The Maori were blood thirsy there's no sugar coating that, and I'm horrified by finding out all they did, the fact Maori complain about lesser things the British did against them vs what they did to each other and worse to the Moriori is astounding. Like they complain that the British took away their language, yet what did they take from the Moriori, their langauge, their children, their lives, raped them, enslaved them, killed them, hung them on stakes and ate them. The crown to not give back their land despite they were indigenous to those islands, they were not the invaders... if the law ought to be held according to Maori customs being indigenous to New Zealand, then so too should it be for Moriori for their homeland. Talk about injustice. Seriously messed up and hypocritical for Maori to complain about colonization when if you think about it, colonization stopped the complete and utter eradication of any mixed race Moriori. Was it a genocide? Yes, because majority was killed, so to their customs, the culture, their language, their land was stolen by Maori, and none of the iwi have spoken on behalf of their heritage as Maori or the people directly from the tribe that displaced and killed these people have paid any form of reparations or given an apology for the atrocities their people inflicted on the Moriori... utterly disgusting. I love New Zealand, and I love the Maori people but I utterly despise the hypocrisy and victim mentality and complaints they make when they've committed so much worse in the past and never took responsibility or accountability for them, nor even acknowledged it as wrong or disgrace, as something their they're ashamed of in regards to their ancestors. I'm proud to be a South African, but even I can say I'm not proud of the slavery or racism my ancestors were involved in. When has the Maori king said anything similar?

[@eeeaten]

The problem here is that you’re lumping all Māori in together. It’s like saying “wow how bad are Europeans, do you see what they did to each other in ww2? Do you see the problem? Of course what those people did to the moriori was awful, and it definitely happened. But who is responsible? Not people of today, and not “Māori” as a people. The people who did it are the people responsible and they are long dead. Stop using these events to justify what the British crown did to very different people in mainland nz.

[@philipwilliams6307]

@eeeaten well, it's the same argument they use against the Pakeha these days. They hold the past injustices against the great greant grand white piglets who had nothing to do with their great great grand pigs or whatever. But I agree, let bygones be bygones, for all, not just Moari but Pakeha too, let's all be New Zealanders and recognized as equals under God and the flag.

[@eeeaten]

@@philipwilliams6307 that is all well and good but the effects of those bygones are still being felt. today maori have much less wealth and are behind on a range of social indicators as a result of colonisation, loss of lands and from racist laws (eg tohunga supression act). surely those inequalities should be addressed? "pakeha" as a group are not being held accountable for it, but rather it's the responsibility of the nz government (ie ALL new zealanders) to address inequality that results from recent historical wrongs?

[@philipwilliams6307]

@@eeeaten how recent exactly? Like how far back are we talking that's fair to pay reparations to? At some stage certain historical wrongs need to be summed up as a shitty time in history and people need to move on without justice being served to those who were disadvantaged by it. But perhaps your idea of recent is still very relevant, or it's dating back to wrongs over a 120 years ago. So like, how recent is recent? 5 years, 10 years, 2 years, 6 months, how recent are we talking?

[@eeeaten]

@@philipwilliams6307 the inequalities exist right now. How do we address them? There are many ways, which I’m happy to talk about. But first you should say whether you accept that those inequalities exist? And (if yes) secondly I’d like to know what you think caused those inequalities. Just to see if we’re able to have a conversation about it.

[@__Ben777__]

Bit of a woke revision of actual history here, they missed some key details out, and the hosts sound like genocide apologists. It was a straight up invasion/colonisation and ethnic cleansing/genocide of the Moriori. They completely left out the massive CHILD SACRIFICE by Taranaki Maori, around 200 Moriori women and children (10% of 2000), staked out on beaches to die slowly of thirst while being eaten alive by crabs and birds. They killed a 12 year old girl when they first arrived and skinned her, and hung up her flesh as a warning to the Moriori. From Wikipedia's Moriori Genocide: "300 Moriori were killed, with hundreds more enslaved. The invaders killed around 10% of the population in a ritual that included staking out women and children on the beach and leaving them to die in great pain over several days." "During the period of enslavement the Māori invaders forbade the speaking of the Moriori language. Moriori were forbidden to marry Moriori or Māori or to have children." --- Also re: the Musket Wars, giving muskets to the Maori was forbidden by the early missionaries, so the number in Maori hands via the black market was fairly low early on. The 20 year Musket Wars kicked off bigtime after the Ngapui chief Hongi Hika returned from England, and swapped all his gifts for 400 muskets at Sydney on the way back. The British ended it after getting most of the tribes to sign the Treaty of Waitangi in 1840.

[@bigcrowe9573]

I was surprised how brutal it was when I first heard about the ritual and the children that died. If hitler only killed 200 people just like the maoris had. The maoris seems worse ngl

[@davethewave7248]

Have to say though I am impressed that they are allowing comments to be posted^^

[@flashrobbie]

@@bigcrowe9573 you need to go through survivor accounts then, probably also through accounts of Stalinist genocides and there are genocides going on today not being documented or not reaching the levels of attention. Tibet is an on-going genocide even though the Chinese government denies this. Definitely not saying this was brutal and especially brutal on a peaceful people.

[@Neolithickneegrow]

Where can I read about this

[@SaturnTheShiningOne]

I'm of Maori decent and I am ashamed of how the true history of NZ is being lied about. We were horrible violent tribes of warriors, cannibals and greedy murderers of many pacifist cultures and tribes. We only have ourselves to blame, not the settlers.

[@PR-WAY]

Dont judge our people we came a long way went threw ups an downs thats life

[@bemz4k556]

No im pretty sure the Europeans arrival had pretty devastating effects on our people not the other way around

[@SaturnTheShiningOne]

@@bemz4k556 blaming others for your own choices in life is the same as blaming a girl for being raped. Sorry to use such a graphic scenario, but that’s life. Everyone has their own choices in life regardless of upbringing etc. right is right and wrong is wrong. Definitely could’ve been handled better by the colonists coming in but in terms of any other colony in the world, NZ had it best. We were treated best compared to any other native from other countries. And the Brit’s have been the best colonisers when compared to Belgians, Spanish, Viking, Africans etc. they treated their subjects better than the rest, never forget that. It was the Wild West back then, all people’s were murderous thieves, or they were the murdered and pillaged.

[@donnybrascocoliogne819]

❤ Moriori....Respect ❤

[@obsydian_phx1865]

You give off a feel like you're new to Maori history research and you've only just discovered this. Don't be ashamed. Seems like you're focusing only on one point in time. We weren't always that way. We didnt survive hundreds of years being murderers and cannibals. And not every tribe did this. If that was the case, we probably would've killed ourselves off. Before that, there would've been an order to things. Times of peace, prosperity which has enabled our population to grow since the arrival of the 7 waka. And then there are times of war when tribes are at disagreements. As is with All nations and all cultures. That's just how it goes. In this day and age, you know better than they and what traditions to uphold and what not too. Maybe instead of focusing on that point in time. Be proud that you decend from these great warriors of the past. Our culture is so rich and vast it goes back thousands of years to our tupuna across te moana nui a Kiwa. From Hawaiki. Who sailed the seas before anyone in history. My advice is don't look at things one sided and make your judgement. Do more research. There is good and bad in all aspects of life. There are far worst injustices in this world. Be proud to be Maori. Mau ake ki to mana e te mana a tou tupuna. Kia ora! Kia orana e kia manuia 🙏🏼💙😊

[@ahorrell]

This was a bold but very important episode! This sort of history gets used in bad faith by a lot of people with nasty political agendas, so good on you guys for tackling it. A lot of people like to throw that Rakatau Katihe quote around so it's great to see you doing the hard work of explaining the context. In the Aotearoa context, the invasion was near the end of the musket wars. Losing your land and people to armed neighbours had been happening for decades - including to Ngāti Mutunga and Ngāti Tama. I think the regional context is also really important. We can see it in the concept of 'paraiwhara' ('blackfulla') that Ngāti Mutunga and Ngāti Tama learned from European sailors. It's no coincidence that the two iwi used this concept - Māori were aware that Australia was using different forms of Aboriginal slavery and forced labour around this time. The term 'Blackfulla' signalled that a group of people was "good for slaves but not for marriage" and could therefore be treated worse than what was normal in Aotearoa. And you can see the logic of it - in Aotearoa, you use tikanga māori. In the wider world, it's a different tikanga. The Tribunal report has a good passage on this: "[A]spects of the invasion were unusual. The Maori had had an acquaintance with European traders in Taranaki and Port Nicholson. They invaded by boat with muskets, and an invasion of such a remote place by so many would not have been possible without the use of the Rodney. They appear to have enslaved the Moriori, as Maori understood the Europeans to have enslaved the paraiwhara of Australia. That that was a Maori perception of the European treatment of aboriginal Australians was apparent during the signing of the Treaty of Waitangi, when it was asked if Maori would be enslaved as the paraiwhara had been. Finally, there was then no intermarriage with the paraiwhara, though intermarriage with conquered tangata whenua had been usual amongst the New Zealand tribes."

[@TheAotearoaHistoryShow]

Thanks AH. It felt bold to us too, in that there's so much baggage and misunderstanding with these stories. So we had to be very careful. Of course, we know not everyone will like what they hear and will have different views. And that's fine. But as you say, it's so important to keep discussing what happened and learning from it.

[@ahorrell]

@@toshadavinci5379 Sources or it didn't happen. (Wishart is not a legit source)

[@TheAotearoaHistoryShow]

@@toshadavinci5379 I'm afraid you're ill-informed on those fronts; some of the points you make refer back tothe now widely debunked Percy Smith theories. Contrary to the odd names you mention (Jessie Mulligan, Andrew Little have nothing to do with this series), our work is based on the widely accepted experts in this area of history and anthropology, such as Atholl Anderson, Michael King (widely renowned as one of NZ's most respected and read historians), Kiwa Hammond, Hazel Petrie and the Moriori Trust. It's easy to search any of their work or read their books if you're interested. They are reputable sources, unlike Wishart and obviously their research is far more extensive than your travels. What you call 'revisionism' is in fact the latest evidence and critical thinking from the leading experts. There is no evidence of Melanesian people travelling long distances anywhere in the Pacific, including to NZ. I hope that's useful information.

[@nztoma]

Oh look at this one, one excuse after another wow. Who is to Blame because it possibly can not be those Māori Warriors right? Those poor Iwi getting the Blame This sums it up completely thank you Sir

[@nztoma]

If you can take this Genocide and not be accountable or you blame others for your Actions what hope have you got of taking responsibility for any action you do in Life?

[@Mr_Riffman08]

Im happy and glad the Moriori are sharing their history with the world today finally its been revealed from the mouths of the rangatira themselves and to this day they still carry the teachings and charisma of their ancestors they truely are a treasure among the rest of us Polynesians ♥️people seem to forget how new the Polynesian people were to living on lands in the south pacific and how primitive their culture was in these years.Eating,fighting and reproducing were key to all civilisations prosperity all over the world throughout all of time...I certainly do not hold this as justification for what tribes had commited i only hope it gives a greater understanding of the nature of all human beings because these people right here defy that very instinctive notion. Korero to whakaro ki to te ao ,Tihei mauri ora.

[@tiaatenahu690]

I’ve looked forward to this subject being spoken about! Thank you so much kōrua for clearing up this korero, so glad these resources are available for my kids to learn from and also myself! Will definitely be making plans to visit Rekohu sometime soon to learn more about the moriori 🥰

[@TheAotearoaHistoryShow]

Cheers Tiaa. Hope your kids enjoy it!

[@Arkinnz]

What about Noah’s ark.

[@eeeaten]

@@Arkinnz what

[@safuwanfauzi5014]

@@TheAotearoaHistoryShowWhat Moriori architecture look like? did Moriori architecture similar to Maori architecture or different like others Polynesia group?

[@rewi_the_kiwi]

All these episodes are great but this episode is especially good. Both heartbreaking to learn what happened but also heartwarming to learn about the resurgence of the Moriori culture.

[@TheAotearoaHistoryShow]

Thanks Reece!

[@aperaruapeeta4309]

@@toshadavinci5379 your the one that's I'll informed mate

[@healthsongs]

Wow!! I was one of those thousands of kids who grew up with those journals about the Moriori. You guys have a beautiful job. Thank you.

[@inotaishu1]

You know, it does sound a bit like you were downplaying what the Maori did because it was "their custom".

[@deejannemeiurffnicht1791]

It's a sore one, isn't it? One thing is for sure, Moriori need all of our support, and we need to help, for example, learn from other historical examples, like the Nazi persecuation of judaism, and then the inverse of this, when Judaism began the ethnic cleansing of ''Israel''. Also, one thing I've learned from our indigenous campaigns here in Scotland, is that it does not always matter who 'owns' the land, but rather HOW it is managed. There CAN be a helpful solution to the Maori/Moriori situation. That quote at the end was really good. and applicable to the whole planet.

[@nztoma]

Trauma of the musket wars lol that’s a good one

[@davethewave7248]

Yep, weren't Tama and Tumunga allied with Ngati Toa... wreaking havoc throughout NZ in the early 30s? Bloodlust.

[@crucesignatidlr]

So, apart from the idea that the Moriori were the first to arrive in NZ, everything else we've been told about how the Maori slaughtered them is accurate?

[@gerradanania8270]

Pakeha were the first outsiders to kill Mori ori

[@Jay-hq4dy]

I like how you try to justify your slaughtering of Australia, Canadian, American n New Zealand natives by deflecting it into Maori. White colonial crimes are the worst in human history.

[@kaznjude]

So I have read the previous historical teachings, this is the Maori point of view. I would now like to see the Moriori side of things to give a complete history.

[@melyrics2640]

I have a friend who is Moriori they said Moriori are Maori just different iwi so yes we didn't eat them off BUT some iwi in nz probably didn't know it was their nature

[@eeeaten]

this is not "the maori point of view". this is the point of view of historians and of moriori. you can read an article online from moriori perspective by looking up moriori still setting the record straight maui solomon. it's likely some maori (descendants of ngati mutunga and ngati tama) have a different perspective - that their ancestors conquered rekohu therefore should have ownership - but this claim has now been legally rejected and moriori rights to rekohu enshrined in law.

[@nztoma]

This is a lie they are not Māori, like saying Tongans and Māori are the same .

[@nztoma]

@@eeeaten yea this is the true story of the people of Chatham island and only 100 survived the slaughter and brutal enslavement by those Māori iwi so I don’t understand why it’s such a big deal that crown thought they all dead. Amazing Māori to this day have not apologised to the Moriori for the genocide but the crown has and paid out 18 million dollars

[@eeeaten]

@@nztoma maori and moriori are genetically very similar and are connected via whakapapa, but indeed moriori do not regard themselves as maori even though they share ancestors. i don't think it's appropriate for "maori" to apologise to moriori as only specific groups were responsible. it seems like ngati mutunga and ngati tama should apologise, but as above they may or may not see the incident the same way. it's up to them what they do. the crown has and should pay compensation for its failure to protect moriori as subjects under new zealand law. the british did not carry out the attacks, but knew of the violence and slavery and did nothing about it for decades while being responsible for enforcing bans on slavery in nz territories.

[@willgeorge5644]

Thankyou, great explanation of how we got to where we are. I would like to find out more about how their society worked. Did they trade with each other, what was their understanding of how they related to land control etc.

[@cappygolucky]

No apology from the Māoris ?

[@natalyaroberts1998]

Ngāti Mutanga and Ngāti Tama

[@barryb6829]

No. They only demand apologies - as well as money and land - they never give them.

[@terrynicol4548]

I am incredibly impressed by the presenters, they presented the story and did not shy away from the cold hard truth of what happened, full credit to them both,

[@Peter-xj8vk]

Impressed by the presenters twisting the facts? For example - justifying the attack on the Moriori by Maori who had intended to kill the Moriori.

[@davethewave7248]

Would it hurt the Maori tribes involved to say sorry to the Moriori?

[@eeeaten]

are modern germans responsible for the actions of the nazis?

[@stewatparkpark2933]

@@eeeaten Are modern New Zealanders obligated to the Treaty ?

[@eeeaten]

@@stewatparkpark2933 of course

[@Avatar24-bb8cu]

​​​@@stewatparkpark2933The "Treaty of Waitangi" isn't even a legal document it was never signed by anyone.Te Tiriti o Waitangi however is the legal document that was signed by both parties...The "Treaty of Waitangi" is an English translation of the actual legal document and has stipulated agreements that absolutely no one agreed upon,the government just copied and pasted the signatures of agreement from Te Tiriti o Waitangi to "The Treaty of Waitangi"More English deception

[@nga7367]

Most Moriori are Ngati Mutunga and Tama

[@ExothermicRxn]

I’ve spent all morning reading about Moriori history and the genocide and decided to see if there was a video on it! So serendipitous that you posted this just 5 days ago!!

[@TheAotearoaHistoryShow]

Good timing!

[@tuma420wc8]

@@TheAotearoaHistoryShow Te Ika o Maui is original name by first discoverer,tika is the way.

[@grahamscandlyn]

@@tuma420wc8 Aotea is what the first people called this country.The ones that were here before maori arrived. You rubbish my research re the history of Aotea .to say that turehu were myths makes me laugh myth my old mate is the b/s that the North island was pulled up by Te Ika a maui is a big joke get in the real scientific world same as how the great maori navigators found their way to Aotea. Any fool knows that maori came on the Te Tai Tokerau tidal drift from the Tokelau Islands .Maybe you should do some research it is out there.if you look for it.there is too much that maori are trying to hide the truth will come out a lot of people like me are finding more each day Good luck with your research.

[@robintamihere4550]

@@grahamscandlyn Graham - although Māori history in some ways is still not settled. It has since come to light the Maui is actually not a legend, as was previously thought. Maui was an Egyptian Navigator who set out to navigate beyond the Americas. Maui and his Captain Rata set out from Egypt around 250BC to 300BC. They departed Alexandria made land somewhere on West Papua, McCluer Bay Iran, Java, then sailed on to NZ landing first in the South Island at Bruce Bay. They then circumnavigated NZ for three months, but I have no record of anyone staying. They moved on to Rarotonga, then Tahiti, then to Hawaii, then to San Miguel, then sailed 4000 miles south along the coastline to San Fernando, Santiago, Chile, looking for a passage east. Realizing their passage east had been foiled by the massive land mass of Island the Americas he sailed back to Pitcairn Island, then to Tahiti and then to Tonga, deciding to stay in Polynesia rather then returning to face the music in Alexandria. So began the legend of Maui. Partly recorded by Barry Fell & his book AMERICA B.C. and one other I can't remember..

[@robintamihere4550]

@@grahamscandlyn when you say Māori came on the great tidal drift this is simply not true. Māori followed the oral teachings of Navigator Maui, Captain Rata and their crews who crewed 6 ships. The Atlanteans originated from Lemuria which was the oldest civilization on earth. At the first eruption of Atlantis there remained 3 islands. The Maori ancestral beginnings were from the Island of Og in Atlantas. The people on the island of Poseida in Atlantis went into America who are the Red Indian people. Those on the island of Aran in Atlantis went north and became the European people. When you look into the history of the Maori and Red Indian nation they tell of the stories of the eruption as with Maori they talk of a far away land known as Hawaiiki. These memories go back to Atlantis as we are the same souls returning time and time again.

[@tinyfreckle]

Haha, "yes the Maori just invaded Rekohu, said this is our land now and you are our subjects now (sounds familiar doesn't it?) and murdered anyone who disagreed with them BUT lets look at it from THEIR perspective. They only commited brutal genocide as PREEMPTIVE SELF-DEFENSE, because after telling these peacful people that they were stealing their land and if they didn't like it they could say hello to their muskets they overheard these peacful people debating how to respond to them. Just a big misunderstanding really ay?

[@eeeaten]

not sure what your point is

[@TheAotearoaHistoryShow]

We are certainly not calling what happened to Moriori a "misunderstanding". As per your reference to the show, some call is genocide. We did however explain the context to the Maori invasion just as we have explained the context to the British invasion of Waikato, for example. We're keen to include voices from all sides of history so that we can understand the past, not judge it.

[@nztoma]

@@TheAotearoaHistoryShow maybe you can explain why the Crown apologised to Moriori?

[@nztoma]

@@TheAotearoaHistoryShow from what I understand any slaves prior to the treaty was not included in the treaty, The Treaty of Waitangi, 1840, outlawed the taking of slaves, and made all Māori British citizens, but did not affect pre-Treaty arrangements. So why did the Crown give a apology and a pay out of 18 million of those Māori iwi committed the Genocide and slavery in 1835 so it was a prior arrangement was it not?

[@TheAotearoaHistoryShow]

@@nztoma Here you go, a useful link so you can see for yourself: shapingeducation.govt.nz/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Transcript-of-the-Crown-apology-to-Moriori.pdf

[@charlesw852]

It was essentially the Nanjing Massacre on a smaller scale. Difficult to think of a more comprehensive, archetypal genocide. These presenters also managed to blame the British for not protecting the Moriori. I hugely impressive piece of mental gymnastics.

[@eeeaten]

They blamed the crown for not enforcing the rule of anti-slavery, not for the event itself.

[@fancynika9559]

Im Micronesian from a tiny island. The same thing happened in our islands & when we talk about wars between clan its not really an actual war. It’s basically just a fight between two chiefs & the losing chief packs up his whole clan & set sail for another island. My clan is a product of this. My clan was just another arriving clan with a chief that wanted to fight for land. Fortunately my clan won but made a pact with the settler clan to be able to stay on the lands, but we take one side of the island. Now in Micronesian culture the first clan that arrives is the chiefly clan because they rule the land for being the first. The 2nd arriving clan become assistants to the first clan, 3rd arriving clan is to be commoners. My clan was suppose to be commoners, but because my ancestor chief won a fight we divided the island in two. One side for the two first clans & one side for my clan. So basically we nvr became commoners but we became our own group of people with our own leaders.

[@yingle6027]

If enslavement and cannibalism is a justified Maori cultural practice (it was more widespread and brutal than you think.) Would that mean colonisation is a justified European practice? I was surprised that this government funded video touched on it although briefly, so kudos to you. The firsthand accounts of the slaughters and subjugation of the Moriori people are absolutely horrific and I do wonder what "parts" of NZ history will be taught in schools and wether it should be taught at all..

[@eeeaten]

classic whataboutism. the actions of the crown are not in any way justified by the cultural practices of various maori groups or individuals. also it's important to remember that the people who attacked moriori in the chathams were not representative of all maori, they were a group of ngati tama and ngati mutunga, displaced themselves from their homelands, who went to the chathams to take the lands (and people) as their own. i think all of our history should be taught.

[@yingle6027]

@@eeeaten NZ's only pacifist culture was sadistically enslaved, tortured, eaten and genocided by a group of people who took great delight in their demise. This example is exactly why we needed the Crown to set up a Govt to protect ALL people from rampant lawlessness -that could arise at anytime in this land. The modern left, Instead of sympathising with the story of the Moriori people, deem them as politically inconvenient to their separatist goals which I think is sad.

[@eeeaten]

@@yingle6027 i have no idea what point you're trying to make about "modern left", yes the crown did have a responsibility to protect moriori and did not take action, which is partly why they have recently given an apology and 18M to moriori, as well as the return of lands taken. of course they sympathise with moriori. what are weird comment. separatist goals? pure kookery.

[@yingle6027]

@@eeeaten The 18M should have come from the tribes that tried to exterminate the Moriori instead it comes from people like me who played no part in the genocide. I refer to the modern left because they are the ones that want co-governance which is a separatist movement. Ultimately it's about bleeding money from the taxpayers.

[@eeeaten]

@@yingle6027 makes no sense. the 18M came from the crown because the crown failed in its duty to protect moriori. the crown is the same entity, the people of ngati tama and ngati mutunga are not. do we blame modern germans for the actions of the nazis? many of the descendants of moriori today have ngati mutunga/ngati tama ancestry, so how would that work anyway? your position is just selfish redneckery.

[@mannyorange3098]

In terms of the 1870 Native Land Court case, I would've intuitively thought that the '1840 rule' would've been the most significant detail in the ruling which disadvantaged the Moriori who had been displaced in those 5 years prior. Is that not the case?

[@TheAotearoaHistoryShow]

Yes the 1840 rule was an important issue. By 1870 there were only about 20 Māori living on Rēkohu and about a 100 Moriori. An argument might have been made that members of Ngāti Mutunga had abandoned their claim to land when they left the island. However, the 1840 rule meant a lot of weight was given to those who were in "occupation" of land in 1840, regardless of what had happened since or beforehand. However, Moriori disputed that Ngāti Mutunga's occupation of land in 1840 should be recognised by the Native Land Court. The Court was supposed to determine ownership of land according to "Native Custom" and a key question in the 1870 case was which Native Custom should apply - Tīkanga Māori (which allowed for the transfer of property rights through conquest and occupation) or Tīkane Moriori (which did not). Basically the Moriori argument was there there was no legal basis for Ngāti Mutunga to say they had obtained land in Rēkohu through conquest in 1835 because that custom did not exist in Tīkane Moriori. Unfortunately for Moriori, the Court chose to base its ruling on its understanding of Tīkanga Māori, and therefore sided with Ngāti Mutunga. If you want to read about this in more depth there's a good summary in the Moriori Deed of Settlement (page 35) www.govt.nz/assets/Documents/OTS/Moriori/moriori-deed-of-settlement-initialled.pdf

[@mannyorange3098]

@@TheAotearoaHistoryShow Thank you so much keep it up.

[@grahamscandlyn]

Where then do the waitaha /turehu people fit in they were here when maori arrived.

[@maapauu4282]

@@grahamscandlyn That's a myth. They were mythological beings

[@grahamscandlyn]

@@maapauu4282 That shows me just how little you know.They were not as you so knowledgeably imply. David Rankin of Nga Puhi has told us that when his ancestors arrived the Waitaha Turehu people were already here Maori actually learnt net making and several other art forms from these tangawhenua peoples that lived in Aotea before the arrival of Maori If you were to do some research ,you would find these were true facts. Listen to your elders where these stories have been passed down through the generations.

[@salt1956]

I would like to hear more about the pre-Maori human history of NZ.

[@eeeaten]

There isn’t any. The eastern Polynesian ancestors of Māori were the first people of New Zealand.

[@kareemhetaraka-brown1259]

White people have their own stories of pre Māori ranging from fairies 🧚‍♀️ to the Moriori. Pathetic excuses for colonisation. Call it what it is.

[@barrackobama2422]

​@@eeeatenThat's interesting. That's not at all what I've seen. I guess we're gonna pretend those Asiatic people's never arrived there.

[@eeeaten]

@@barrackobama2422 what asiatic peoples

[@barrackobama2422]

@@eeeaten The light skinned folk that the Maori literally admit were there before them. There's archeological finds that date back hundreds of years before the Maori arrived. This is the most blatant rewriting of history I've ever seen right before my eyes. Why does the Maori conquering territory scare yall? It's a natural human response to needing resources and land. Nobody is trying to say the Maori are evil. The evil thing is pretending that these HUMAN BEINGS didn't exist. That's truly sad and I pray that the Maori tribes who restrict studying key parts of the island, open up their territory to unbiased scientific study. Erasing people from history just because they're inconvenient to you is the most evil thing I can imagine.

[@ChildofGod-x7u]

"Hospitable, cheerful, friends and willing assistants in their labors, and love between them flourished like a Palm..." Sounds like the Moriori were an awesome people worthy of being Celebrated and remembered. As a Kiwi I think there should be an apology made on behalf of the Māori immigrants for enslaving, killing and eating the true indigenous people of the land.

[@eeeaten]

who would do the apologising?

[@ChildofGod-x7u]

@@eeeaten the ones who required an apology and received confiscated land back from the crown.

[@eeeaten]

@@ChildofGod-x7u I don’t know what that means. Who should do the apologising?

[@ChildofGod-x7u]

@@eeeaten Maoris

[@ChildofGod-x7u]

@@eeeaten an apology for genocide and ethnic cleansing

[@makoent2231]

Very well informed. Good work.

[@makoent2231]

@@toshadavinci5379 all that is covered in this video, which is factual. We do know that Maori and Moriori have melanesian connections. That changes nothing to how they became who they are at those times.

[@garybell2955]

Maori blaming pakeha for there atrocities against moriori ,then didn’t like the same treatment against them ? Crazy

[@stewatparkpark2933]

Yeah , just more Maori victim culture .

[@steveboy7302]

Oh did you purposely search up morioris because you were looking for a reason to slander maori

[@rewirapana941]

Moriori are Maori DNA has proven this fact ...the fact that they have Marae and Pou also waka that have te reo names the further back you go the more te reo the language becomes even Tupuna and place names ...the lite differences are due to the 2-300 yrs of self isolation and it was out of need not choice they stopped war-ing and canabilism thier population and land area the biggest fact being it was only themselfs .

[@MountainMaid238]

Ngati Tama and Ngati Mutunga are not all Māori. You would never call a Scot or an Irish an Englishman, just because all of them are white

[@MountainMaid238]

@tsa3b What are you talking about

[@t.t6191]

That's heart breaking, it is brutal. For those times it's brutal. It's funny because that same logic is not applied to other people in History. It was the way it was done back then, it was their ways back then.. yeah it was brutal.

[@TheJburt]

I guess this is one version of the history of Aotearoa. But what is the true history?

[@eeeaten]

do you disagree with something in the video?

[@robintamihere4550]

Around 231BC Egyptians Navigator ''Maui and Captain Rata and crews landed first at Bruce Bay in the South Island and than circumnavigated the North Island stopping off and naming places before heading off to Polynesia. Of coarse Maui would return sometime later, this return voyage would become Legend but in reality was a TRUE STORY mixed in myth and legend.

[@eeeaten]

@@robintamihere4550 what you have there is pure mythology. maori have no egyptian ancestry, there is no evidence of any people in nz until the thirteenth century.

[@robintamihere4550]

@@eeeaten All I hear is blah blah blah.

[@eeeaten]

@@robintamihere4550 you’re married?

[@rugbyguy1rugby407]

Wow my whole life I thought Māori as a people wiped out the moriori who were the original inhabitants of New Zealand because that’s exactly what I was taught in primary school. I’m 40 years old and only learned this piece of history now.

[@eeeaten]

great to hear you now know that is not true :)

[@Rod-qp1qv]

You were taught the truth in primary school this is a maori biased version

[@eeeaten]

@@Rod-qp1qv no, this is the version based on science and history.

[@Tom-mk7iq]

You were right.

[@winwalker8248]

Given how extraordinary Polynesian navigation was, any part of the pacific could be found and and revisited. It would be unreasonable to suggest they didn’t come to mainland. Recommend Mike Kings book on this fascinating part of NZ.

[@TheAotearoaHistoryShow]

Yep, King's book was part of our research as was conversations with current Moriori leaders.

[@kathygerulaitis]

Yes, I do not believe that the Morioris sailed to the Chathem Islands without sailing on to the mainland NZ. This is history distorted to give credence to NZ being first landed by the Maoris. Today's 'facts' are devised to fit the narrative they wish to implicate in any given situation...

[@davethewave7248]

The court had to accept that land could be claimed through conquest and occupation because that was the way it was recognized at the time of the 1840 Treaty - much of the land in NZ had been recently conquered by warring tribes, areas depopulated, tribes migrated etc.

[@SetaWaisavu]

Hearing this history for the first time. Impressed and grateful I stumbled upon it.

[@Tom-mk7iq]

This is one interpretation

[@deejannemeiurffnicht1791]

For a change, the comments on this page are really good, even the angrier ones. I've learned so much here from all viewpoints. So, thank yo,u everyone, for that. I do think this situation will get better, even if it does yet takle another generstion or so. Hopefully sooner. it would be beautiful should the Taranaki communities who are rehabilitating the land and land use in their area, and considering their brutality historically against Moriori,, may be the ideal folk to assist Moriori in reviving land use customs and indigenous plant and animal re-introduction, since Taranaki have that expreience. Now THAt would be beautiful! I gave the feature a 'like' even though some parts were a little contentious in their presentation. Maninly because it does act as a starting point for some folk. And, the comments below add otherr angles for us to consider. if you pray? Maori, moriori, european? This is a fine issue to prat about for good resolution.

[@jimmyboy2]

"Historians have debunked" the origins of Morimori. Really? Which Pacific Island/s did they come? When did they arrive in NZ? Are there comprehensice genetic studies? Without facts/evidence, there is only speculation/theory. The hosts claim it's "absolutely false that Morimori arrived first" but provide no evidence. The Maori say the Morimori were a completely different culture. What do the Morimori say? Sorry more Qs and no answers but science is about asking good questions. Being absolute only adds uncertainty.

[@eeeaten]

moriori. they came from eastern polynesia like maori did - genetically moriori are the same as maori. carbon dating shows they arrived in the chathams around 1400AD, and genetics/linguistics/whakapapa shows they had at least some connection with maori from the south island of nz. moriori oral histories suggest they came straight to rekohu from hawaiki in eastern polynesia, but it's likely that some/all of their ancestors were maori from new zealand. if you want to know what moriori themselves say, check out the moriori entry in the te ara online encyclopedia, or read moriori: still setting the record straight.

[@robflange]

From ancestral stories The Moriori came from South America , Easter Island, and eastern pacific Rekohu was a stop off resupply land base for further exploration Incorrect moriori are a different genetic group Maori being second migration

[@erina4586]

I would like to make contact with a Moriori Authority in the Geneology of the people. There is a name or word they use that looks very familiar to me.

[@DaragRennie]

I think your assumption the Maori tribes did not realise the meeting of Moriori ended in them deciding to uphold their peaceful traditions and not fight is seriously over generous. After all, conquest of a non-fighting race was their intention which was proven out by history.

[@eeeaten]

i think you are correct. the men were armed and had every intention of taking the land and people as their own, and that part of the video seems to be inventing a perceived threat that did not exist.

[@DaragRennie]

@@eeeaten yep. Trying to justify what we and Moriori consider unjustifiable.

[@DaragRennie]

@@eeeaten yes. Life was brutal back then. Slavery and waiting to be eaten was part of the process of tribal life. That was tikanga. If we beat you we can eat you.

[@eeeaten]

@@DaragRennie occasionally and in some groups more than others for sure, but mostly it doesn’t seem to have been like that. Warfare never really took off until guns and potatoes provided those who had them with the opportunity to overcome those who didn’t.

[@DaragRennie]

@@eeeaten I believe most people function in a cooperative mode apart from the few that operate in the Darwinian survival of the fittest mode. Unfortunately the latter seem to be in charge of the world at the moment. Hopefully until they aren't.

[@Maariu01]

Love this

[@leenicholls7726]

So the "peaceful" people of Parihaka were actually the tribes responsible for the near genocide of the Moriori!, they cannibalised, enslaved and tried to erase the Moriori and even appropriating their white feather, but yet they were peaceful and pacifist? yeah, nahhh

[@tiaatenahu690]

I was just thinking this! Especially hearing the facts about the Albatross Feather and Pacifist Parihaka leaders. I have no personal issues with Taranaki Māori , I really hope that the people of Parihaka do teach about the genocide and make it clear. It claims them as victims of the British but forget to mention the almost extermination of the Moriori. So sad.

[@nztoma]

@@tiaatenahu690 if they are taught about the genocide and brutal slavery, they will say it’s not there fault was watching the Europeans they learnt to be so cruel to another human, or that the Moriori was planning something so they attacked the peaceful people that couldn’t fight and had no weapons first, that the children they slaughtered and ate welll ……. It will be someone else’s fault I’m sure. Just listen to these two Māori Host sums up how Māori History’s being taught. Ross tinted glasses 👓 and you find this all through Māori History being taught or studied. Sad really as people will become more lost in who they are

[@brycepardoe658]

It was Ngāti Tama and Ngāti Mutunga that invaded Rekohu. Te Whiti O Rongomai was of Te Ati Awa.

[@Slipperygecko390]

@@brycepardoe658 Don't be like that, these guys want to be racist with any angle they can get so don't go putting facts in the way of that

[@brycepardoe658]

@@Slipperygecko390 Lol fair point.

[@lornz5374]

Maori have the cheek to say it was our custom to enslave/eat Moriori and take their lands...so those acts were legal and justified....and yet demand that Europeans (who Maori allege did the same to them in NZ)...give back everything (even the land that was paid for)...because it was illegal for the Europeans to allegedly divest Maori of their land...even tho' they didn't own it in a European sense...so...one rule for Maori....another rule for anybody else...the barefaced hypocrisy is staggering...

[@eeeaten]

that concept only works if you take the approach of lumping people together by race, which is literally racism. maori were/are not all one people, so were not all responsible for the events on rekohu. a specific group of ngati mutunga and ngati tama attacked moriori, so why are you blaming all maori? we don't even blame the descendants of those attackers. but we do support and make reparations to the people who were dispossessed of their lands and have suffered since because of those events.

[@melaroha8003]

Pakeha are cannibals too and are still are today. learn ur own history and research why there are over 80,000 children going missing every year, they are split up In to groups, can you guess where they go to?

[@davethewave7248]

@@eeeaten But it is fair to say that Maori customs were shared by the various tribes. And anyway, Hobson said we were all now one people... despite our 'race'. That was the wonderful thing about the old empires - they could transcend nationality and race.

[@flashrobbie]

if you could calm your hysterical self down and think about what could have happened in 1840 to change that.

[@MountainMaid238]

​@@davethewave7248Ew Dave, stop saying gross stuff like that. Every indigenous devastated by the imperial empire do not agree with you. The 'old empire' is on the wrong side of history

[@nztoma]

Did the British do the same according to there custom?

[@dane1056]

No. They signed a contractual agreement in the customs to which we still live.

[@natalyaroberts1998]

Nobody tells the story of what happened before the treaty, how did they treat Māori before the treaty was established?

[@adambamf9365]

im glad they got to keep their homeland misty skies is an amazing place !!

[@roryallen-qu3zw]

“But” Britain saw warfare as a valid way of acquiring land at the time. I am yet to watch a single episode where you say this. This show is good, just tell it without the biased overtone.

[@shanehall6081]

Thank you for telling at least this part. With National library and archives having moved 160,000 records to deep storage somewhere in 2014-2016 I suspect that there alot more embarassing history relating to Iwi conduct. Particularly rehards Moriori, the treaty negotiations particularly regarding slavery, crown abolition of it and reneging on repatriations and also Maori directives on language during the 1867 native schools act.

[@Kiwistoicist]

Who killed them on the mainland? Do u want hide this from future generations forever?

[@eeeaten]

when? i think what you're referring to is made up nonsense.

[@malietoasamoa1301]

This has literally been debunked so many times by experts who put there time and effort into studying this stuff for ages but people still believe the colonial propaganda cooked up back in the day

[@scorpnz4433]

Weakness invites aggression as the saying goes. Michael Laws is one quarter moriori

[@Avatar24-bb8cu]

You believe fractions should be applied when sorting a persons DNA do you?

[@scorpnz4433]

@@Avatar24-bb8cu I dunno you tell me

[@noahfranks2892]

Te re moriori: take everything you know about Te reo maori and then throw it away

[@larsenkerapa]

i went to a tangi in thames once and the minister there was telling a story in maori of what sounded like a british invasion story ,in the end the invaders also ate them.....at that point i knew hed been talking about us as maori..made me realise how much history we are now deprived from forever because we did not learn that story in the maori unit where i did my schooling

[@eeeaten]

who is "us as maori"? the invasion you're talking about is probably that of hongi hika in 1821 when he and his nga puhi warriors attacked te totara at what is now the thames cemetary.

[@rewirapana941]

Are you for real ...sounded like a brittish invasion story.... il tell you right now the minister as they always do are good at telling storys thats all ....in reality brittish invasion 2 thousand plus solldiers for here .....Maori 200 to 300 max so yeah big difference

[@NorskKiwi]

Moriori history ❤️ thank you very much

[@DW_Kiwi]

However untrue

[@robertmiller2173]

These thugs from the North Island in 1870 shall never be forgiven! These thugs destroyed any rights they might have got under the Treaty!

[@eeeaten]

what thugs, what did they do, and when?

[@robertmiller2173]

They ate my friends family!@@eeeaten

[@eeeaten]

@@robertmiller2173 your score = 1/6

[@robertmiller2173]

Thanks, at least I got 1 point! Ha ha. It is extremely hard to view those times through my eyes so to speak! I am very grateful that we live now rather than back then@@eeeaten

[@eeeaten]

@@robertmiller2173 you got half a point for answering half a question.

[@peterterry4630]

My question is. What were Taranaki tribes, so far from home, doing in the Chathams. Are we to speculate this was blood libel against Moriori based on events that went down in Taranaki that have been kept secret. We’re Moriori once residents of the west coast of Taranaki right up to Raglan. I can’t help but think there is much more to this story, yet to be revealed.

[@eeeaten]

no. the reasons and the sequence of events are well known. ngati mutunga and ngati tama were displaced from their taranaki lands by musket-armed waikato from the north. after spending time in the wellington region a group of a few hundred warriors took a british ship in 1835 to the chathams with the intention of taking the lands and people as their own. they had no prior dealings with moriori, they only knew of their existence from whalers/sealers who had been there within a few decades before then.

[@peterterry4630]

@@eeeaten none of this shows any connection whatsoever between the north island west Taranaki tribes and the isolated Moriori of Chatham. Even Wellington is a long way from the Chathams. Why on earth would Taranaki seek revenge on Moriori unless the had some secrete agenda for doing so. You have no capacity to answer this question other than peddle the pakeha narrative in this doco.

[@eeeaten]

@@peterterry4630 again, there was no revenge, taranaki maori had only recently learned of the presence of moriori and had no history with them. they went to take the land and people. this is historical fact, and is the understanding endorsed by moriori - you can read about by finding maui solomon's _moriori: still setting the record straight_ online,

[@peterterry4630]

@@eeeaten There is no basis or proof in what your saying. Your just peddling the Pakeha narrative in a govt sponsored documentary which is pure speculation, until such time that there is archeological evidence to demonstrate otherwise. This story has not reached its conclusion. Perhaps you could show where Solomon says that Taranaki tribes just happen to stumble across Moriori via Wellington on the Chathams, so they stole a ship because they needed a have a feed. Haha There is a connection that puts Moriori in Taranaki, but that’s for another time. Certainly not for your ears. The Moriori genocide by tribes had to be a revenge attack, UTU, of some kinds.

[@eeeaten]

@@peterterry4630 i literally just told you these are historical facts as told by maui solomon. maybe you could check out the "te ara online encyclopedia" entry for moriori - also written by maui solomon and denise davis. your understanding of the events seems to be based on your imagination rather than on the facts and evidence.

[@thelionofjudah5318]

The moriori language is completely different to Te Reo.... im half maori and ashamed my people what they did to the moriori. It would be no different if maori invaded cook islands.

[@eeeaten]

no it isn't. are you ngati mutunga or ngati tama?

[@erina4586]

I am beginning to wonder? If the Moriori People are actually connected to our People from the North Island, and if it was their Ancestors that went around to the West-Side of the North Island. I heard the elders got off on the East Coast Nth Island. The Name 'Rekohu' the Moriori use, resembles the name if one of our ancestors 'Rerekohu?' If this be true? Then that means they are of our people north of Gisborne. I have Ancient Geneology soon ready to be released to the Maori nation. We are descended from Maui whose canoe hull remains are in Mount Hikurangi turned to stone.

[@aaronmorgan8819]

Maoriori, Moriori, go figure...

[@nga7367]

That’s simply not true. I am Moriori and there is no history of our people in Aotearoa prior to 1835. After 1835 Moriori were taken abroad to Aotearoa as slaves or were hidden and stated they were Māori. If us Moriori have connection into the far north then that would have been after 1835

[@mariag3605]

Tell us about the musket wars... Don't forget how the muskets didn't miraculously appear.... Hongi Hika went to England to meet with the king. The king gave him a load of fabulous goodies to bring back to his people but Hongi stopped off in Sydney, swapped the goodies for 300-500 muskets, and voila, a bloody genocide ensued killing up to 20% of the 100 000 Maori population. Tribes were displaced, their land stolen and the losers were killed, eaten, enslaved or made homeless refugees... 3000+ battles over 3 decades 1810s - late 1830s decimated the Maori tribes. NZ was not a unified nation until the 1840 Treaty was signed with the British Crown...

[@gregarmstrong6077]

This was an excellent and objective introduction to the key points of Moriori history. I feel like I just watched a different video to many of the other commenters.

[@MrLetthebeatdrop]

It's a very different story when the historical victim, today's Maori, are shown to be ruthless, genocidal enslavers.

[@eeeaten]

only someone who knows nothing about pacific history would say that

[@jsmith2295]

Love this series! Thank you for the unabashed truth and the reading recommendations for more in-depth insight. Keep up the good work! ka nui te mihi

[@nztoma]

Hardly the truth it’s still very one eyed view

[@PhilT1957]

You can’t say it’s true. You weren’t around in the 1200’s. The Māori didn’t have a written language. All here say

[@aaronmorgan8819]

Maoriori, Moriori ? At that time, ngati Mutunga didn't even know they were Maori, they were Mutunga ! It took the teachings of the "polynesian society" to remind us of certain things... ie, that we are somehow related

[@aaronmorgan8819]

@tsa3b filipino are you ?

[@aaronmorgan8819]

@tsa3b chir, so how many generations have your people occupied their lands ? and when you say eastern polynesian islands, which or whom are you refering to ?

[@aaronmorgan8819]

@tsa3b very good, and there were the Maorioriori, a tall dark people with black hair and brown eyes who whakapapa to Africa and the Americas. there was also the Kiritea, an olive skinned dark haired people with almond shaped eyes who whakapapa to se Asia, northern India and Tibet. And then there were the Urukehu, the descendents of Kiwa who were fair skinned and blond haired with either blue or green eyes. the pacific homelands were a crucible for the mixing and joining of people from many continents. Each new tribe found a place, by agreement in earlier times or by force in later days. no one people has disappeared. leading this migration were our Dreammakers, Hotu Matua and Kiwa and their adoptive grandson Maui; who travelled on the great sea river Te Tai Mahunui from Te Pito o Te Henua to the lands of Whairepo and Aotearoa. during this journey they would sometimes make land fall at Raiatea and await the moment the white whale would arrive to quickly and safely guide them to their southern destination. my tupuna clearly state there were people here when they arrived approximately 75 generations or 2000 years ago; such as the Turehu, a tall red haired fair skinned people and, master mariners the Waiariki. and those whose stood between, the Tumatakokiri and the hordes of Maruiwi whose numbers were like grains of sand on the beach...

[@zainabamadahy9918]

Ten years ago a Maori artist told me an incorrect story about the Moriori. Good to know the truth. Traumatized humans traumatize humans. Time we healed and stopped reproducing the violence. Thanks.

[@stephenlennon7369]

Got proof of your transactions with this Maori person? Or just another bigoted troupe

[@KwikWon01]

What do you expect. Maori have been told we ate or murdered them by pakiha for the last 200 years.

[@zainabamadahy9918]

@@KwikWon01 We can.claim to be victims or perpetrators (and we are both) but neither claim ends the cycle of violence.

[@nztoma]

@@KwikWon01 you did slaughter and murder and eat them sorry Did you watch the video?

[@maapauu4282]

@@nztoma They were talking about "The Moriori myth", I believe. Also it wasn't something done by all Maaori, only 2/3 iwi.

[@brushandshovel6512]

"They arrived along side the ancestors of maori!" Is that your truth?

[@eeeaten]

yes, what do you think?

[@Mr_Riffman08]

Here in New Zealand for generations now we are taught from the education system in New Zealand that the Maori people (the natives of Aotearoa known as New Zealand today) had commited genocide upon the Moriori people whom we were also told were the indigenous people of Aotearoa... 2 lies that for close to 2 hundred years were the narrative of this subject.Lies that were told by the English colonizers to not only slander the Maori people but also giving a justification to why the colonization of Aotearoa.Let this sink in and ask yourself why some people seem to think a simple apology will resolve this matter.Because thats the idea the descendants of the colonizers themselves seem to share...If anyone was guilty of genocide its the hierarchy of English colonizers in New Zealand for creating the lie that left all the moriori to the oblivion

[@eeeaten]

the moriori myth hasn't been taught in schools for decades. obviously the people responsible for the genocide were the people who attacked the moriori. the crown was responsible for their inaction afterwards.

[@YTho-ev1ej]

I’ve never learnt the true truth of the Moriori. The truth of it is disgusting and sad. The Moriori genocide is one of the worst chapters in history. How people could commit such horrific and morally corrupt act I do not know

[@antmanatthemoment7233]

Funny how nuance is being given to the Maori iwi that slaughtered the moriori, yet that same nuance doesnt seem to be extended to the European settlers. I don't recall the presenters ever saying "now, let's look at it from their point of view" when talking about the settlers.

[@terangiwalker7550]

Maybe because European settlers colonized most of the world. Nuance loses effect when you terrorize the world

[@Avatar24-bb8cu]

What's the going rate for being a bigot these days ?

[@antmanatthemoment7233]

@@Avatar24-bb8cu who's the bigot?

[@Avatar24-bb8cu]

@@antmanatthemoment7233 how do you spell incompetent?

[@antmanatthemoment7233]

@@Avatar24-bb8cu what are you on about?

[@kittens3029]

Is it like the people or Torres Strait?

[@eeeaten]

not sure what you mean but i think the answer is no. moriori were not melanesian people but eastern polynesian. their ancestors are from the hawaiki of tahiti, cooks, society islands like the ancestors of maori.

[@stewatparkpark2933]

@@eeeaten Maori are a mixture of Taiwan and Papuan blood . DNA proven . Indisputable .

[@eeeaten]

@@stewatparkpark2933 yes. How does your comment relate to mine? Did you disagree with something I said?

[@robgormly3128]

I love this series

[@bFORCe2003]

Rekohu (Chatham Is) was settled by Eastern Polynesians around the same time the Eastern Polynesians settled Aotearoa, hence they are both Polynesian unlike what the myth says Moriori were Melanesian or some other race. Also one thing to remember is only two Taranaki subtribes Ngati Mutunga and Ngati Tama invaded the Chathams and slaughtered and enslaved them. The cheek of the land court to give the land to Ngati Mutunga over Moriori.

[@johnnymartin3846]

I mean when moaris are telling us the history of morioris it must be true right…. Was the taniwha involved too?

[@thedialogue9545]

It's Maori not moaris, you seem to dislike Maori in general, that's a shame, but we are varied just as your people are. No need to hate or dislike a group of people because of a past experience or not knowing enough.

[@johnnymartin3846]

@@thedialogue9545 I have enough experience to know the majority have theirs hands out and feel hard done by instead of channeling that energy into having a go a changing their lives everyone has a choice whether to play the victim like past generations or do something about it the rest of the country just stay quiet and get on with it

[@dane1056]

​@@johnnymartin3846 what a load of crap.

[@johnnymartin3846]

@@dane1056 truth hurts look at the moari party definition of my growing up top moaris preach crap and take heaps of $ with nothing trickling to the ones that it should be and sit there preaching their for all moari pfft

[@13Doses]

What would happen if we found out that Maori weren't the first ones to unhabit NZ? Like just what if. I wonder how they would respond. For example - Look up the Kaimanawa Wall in the Waikato NZ, it was built 330,000 years ago. Maori werent around 330,000 years ago, makes you wonder

[@anaru.p]

Bro what are you on? If people were inhabiting nz 330,000 years ago then they were still evolving, like, what?

[@13Doses]

@@anaru.p Bro please calm down, all I'm saying is that somewhere in the Kaimanawa Forest near Lake Taupo you can visit a structure called the 'Kaimanawa Wall' on a hiking trail if you want to go check it out yourself. It is a wall built 330,300 years ago, long before Maori establishment in NZ. That is what 'I am on about'. I replied to your comment respectfully. Like, what? I would love a proper reply back! Just to summarize for you bro - there's a wall in the Kaimanawa Forest that was built 330,000 years ago for you to check out! Looking forward to your reply my brother, like what?

[@Tom-mk7iq]

@@13Doses There is some pretty interesting evidence of ancient civilizations aye.

[@ecnegilletni3537]

Moriori are Maori aswell how anybody determined they arrived in New Zealand before Maori is ridiculous even moriori don't agree with that conclusion

[@maapauu4282]

I agree with most of your points, but Moriori people are a distinct group, although they do descend from the same people, Moriori people have been separated from Maaori people long enough to develop a distinct culture and language

[@ecnegilletni3537]

@@maapauu4282 each maori tribe has slight differences in language and culture also. Europeans made up the fact Moriori arrived first so they could say maori were not the first people here so they could claim the land.

[@maapauu4282]

@@ecnegilletni3537 Right, but most Maaori iwi can understand each other. However, Moriori culture to Maaori culture is like Samoan to Niuean culture. They're very similar, they have many shared ancestors, yet they've been separated long enough to be considered different. Also, I never said that Moriori people arrived first. Both Maori and Moriori ancestors arrived at the same time and lived in the same way until around 1500.

[@maapauu4282]

​@tsa3bThey started practicing peace after moving away. And I'm half Tongan, even though I speak Māori, I still can't understand my Tongan family

[@maapauu4282]

@tsa3b Then why say all Polynesians? And I still can't understand the Moriori language

[@henkiejong1136]

And of course the Pakeha paid Most of this settlement and apology as usual.

[@eeeaten]

because they were making amends for what the government did.

[@djhemirukahemisphere8893]

It's such an indictment on pakeha that there are such interest in this..Despite pakeha living in NZ and not wanting to address that fact

[@eeeaten]

the government literally made this history a part of nz law.

[@alliao82]

very glad to come across this. very inspirational.

[@drewrommel]

Thanks for these documentaries. This is largely untaught history to New Zealanders. And if it is taught it is usually bias, and full of either Pakeha or Maori prejudices. Well done in keeping it neutral and honest!

[@Avatar24-bb8cu]

One thing I hope people understand tho is that Maori never denied this history.atleast people of my iwi didn't..it was the point that the government was using this to propagate hatred towards the Maori is where we were trying to fight first and foremost but we never ever ever denied this.Just that during oppressive times for us we never ever has an opportunity to speak about this at all..You may have been surprised to learn that us who are not of Taranaki may have seen it as a crime too

[@thediscoverworkshop_asmr1096]

Personally I'd like to hear some claims about the Morriori backed up by footage of Morriori stating their oral history

[@eeeaten]

read the "te ara" online encyclopedia entry for moriori written by maui solomon and denise davis.

[@thediscoverworkshop_asmr1096]

@@eeeaten I was responding to how those two clowns seem to think they can speak on behalf of the Moriori, that's all

[@philipwilliams6307]

24:45 you say 1970s but I was born in 1992 and it was taught to us in school, so obviously that wrong account of history has prevailed long after 1970.

[@eeeaten]

Whoa where did you go to school? That is bad.

[@philipwilliams6307]

@@eeeaten up in Kaitaia

[@Avatar24-bb8cu]

​​@@philipwilliams6307Your point only proves the government was still teaching this propagation when it wasnt supposed to so why would you argue?Not a very smart chap are you?I was born in the mid 80s and I only knew this was a past teaching.

[@nztoma]

Omg didn’t they know that the Moriori had No Weapons and did not know how to Fight? What about the Children? They planning an attack with Lego? Seriously. Call it what it was, a genocide of a peaceful non violent people, by Māori Warriors who took Mana from Warfare. Nothing wrong with that at the Time, like those Māori said it was the Nature, hence No apology for there actions.

[@TheAotearoaHistoryShow]

Hi Toma. There are different views of the invasion as there are in nearly all conflicts. But if you've watched the whole episode you'll have seen we do talk about genocide and how it can be defined and we certainly were very clear about the commitment to peace by Moriori. We worked closely with Moriori on this episode so we're comfortable it is not one-eyed or indeed turning a blind eye to the consequences of the invasion,

[@nztoma]

@@TheAotearoaHistoryShow I’m sorry you need to watch your video again, as it is completely one eyed Māori view and very disrespectful to the Moriori who suffered and still suffer today from this Genocide. now that I have your attention can you explain when Māori stopped the trading/owning of slaves? When the Crown was supposed to have stopped the slavery of the Moriori people when it was a arrangement made prior to signing of the Treaty. All I have found was that any arrangement made prior to treaty was not included as stated here in this article. Can you please explain this

[@nztoma]

@@TheAotearoaHistoryShow The Treaty of Waitangi, 1840, outlawed the taking of slaves, and made all Māori British citizens, but did not affect pre-Treaty arrangements. So when was Slavery outlawed in New Zealand?

[@davethewave7248]

I think by 1835 many chiefs were starting to have some scruples about the increased scale of the barbarism that the musket wars brought. The message of the missionaries was starting to have an influence, and combined with the Treaty, and European purchases of [disputed] land, peace and conversion for many came very quickly. Tamihana Te Waharoa is a particular hero of mine... and me a proud European.^^

[@grantmercer8708]

The Moriori can be very proud of their pacifist heritage It makes them superior to Māori on a cultural basis The Māori are hypocrites because they grizzled about how European treated them but they were worse killing other tribesmen canabalising and enslaving They took ownership of land by conquering and yet they accuse the European of exactly what they would have done if the boot was on the other foot so to speak Māori are hypocrites and behaved more primitively than the Moriori Māori were racist

[@eeeaten]

you are being racist by lumping all maori together by ethnicity. it was a specific group of ngati mutunga and ngati tama who attacked moriori in 1835.

[@melaroha8003]

your people were cannibals too, and still are today. Maori weren't cannibals by nature.

[@Tom-mk7iq]

@@eeeaten Oh just like "pakeha" then lol.

[@eeeaten]

@@Tom-mk7iq yes

[@Avatar24-bb8cu]

So the Brits used this tragic event to appease their own peoples agenda in slandering the Maori to basically give justification for their colonization on New Zealand??That just sounds completely British tbh

[@brendanryan6740]

awesome yet again....buoni matariki

[@robertmiller2173]

Wow we Pakeha are allowed to comment! Shock horror, I'm stunned!

[@eeeaten]

weird comment

[@TristanCarpenter-ey8ed]

Wow how did you get it so wrong, who did your research or lack of

[@eeeaten]

was there something you disagreed with?

[@tuguybear930]

There are written accounts by Europeans about the Appalling treatment of Moriori by Maori's. So bad that it isn't surprising that Maori's will try to deny it.

[@eeeaten]

where? when?

[@DW_Kiwi]

Yes. They. Maori, should make an apology and compensation!!

[@eeeaten]

@@DW_Kiwi keep your simplistic racist opinions to yourself, david.

[@MountainMaid238]

​@@DW_Kiwi Which Māori? Should all white looking nations apologise for what the British Empire did? Be specific. Otherwise innocent people get blamed

[@nga7367]

British settlers actually hunted seals and over fished to the point of extinction before Taranaki hapu had stepped foot onto Chathams.

[@edwardreuben6650]

Their language and words sound and look Maori. They certainly weren't pacifists at first and they were also cannibals. They basically had a truce going on. To me it looks like they were part of the main migration who all landed in different parts of New Zealand. It also looks like there migration was ongoing as each separate tribal canoe were trying to find somewhere to land and live. Records of date and time of arrivals would be hard to exact as well, so how do we know who arrived first. Is there some register or something? Also do we have a confirmed decord on where this migration came from.

[@DW_Kiwi]

They "were" here before the Maori, That is a fact! We have some Moriori carvings in South Canterbury. They resemble so closely to that on the Chatham Islands. I have seen both. Maori didn't even know (when, I was a kid...seventy years ago) that the carvings existed. Maori have an alternative reason to minimize the Moriori. And the coming to NZ before Maori. So I don't trust this presentation!!

[@eeeaten]

there is no evidence of any people in new zealand before the eastern polynesian ancestors of maori. you didn't watch the video, did you.

[@robflange]

Ngai tahu referred to the first people's as Waitaha Or "Peaceful ones" The connection makes sense now And I believe @ 50% of the presentation the other 50% is political trying legitimize the Maori position Yes there are moriori style carvings here Burials in waiu ares malborough We used to call them the moa hunters

[@eeeaten]

@@robflange the waitaha and the moa hunters and the ancestors of the moriori were all eastern polynesian people who arrived in new zealand no earlier than 1250AD. they are the ancestors of maori.

[@stu290bushrider]

And why are you referring to the Chathams Islands as Rēkohu? That maybe what they called it, but it is now called Chatham Islands. Was there an official name change?

[@chur1503]

Maybe the respect for the moriori people why the presenter's are addressing the island's actual name. I guess it's called being respectful for the moriori culture

[@Avatar24-bb8cu]

Ahh because they're not the English that came here and renamed it?

[@barrackobama2422]

It's incredibly evident that you are exaggerating the extent to which the English were responsible and HEAVILY glossing over the actions of the Maori. I find it very telling about what your beliefs are when you downplay the amount of suffering the Moriori experienced. Yall should be ashamed for distorting history so blatantly. If I didn't already know the history of the Moriori, I'd be completely misinformed.

[@jemma_19988]

These two taranaki tribes considered invading tonga at one point but settled on chathams fact

[@eeeaten]

true

[@fisher-y6c]

😂😂😂😂 never trust maori stories

[@Grace-hn3jy]

Why not?

[@TeWhanauVis]

Maori didn't say that Moriori were here first lol. That was the English, the greatest story tellers ever

[@DUBDrezil]

I Don't trust you 🤨

[@FionaMinhinnick]

Tragic were the tribal wars back then, no different to any other ethnic tribal grouping else where in mainland Nz & the world. Alot of history was not documented but orated & handed down to those & not all. Silence was golden Moriori / Maori Fullblood lives on today. Believe it or not Ripleys.

[@jeffersonneeson1535]

Haha I believe that Celts were here, who were the children of the mist then. There books and some Māori say they push the moriori to the Chatham Islands

[@Mr_Riffman08]

What books exactly?

[@jeffersonneeson1535]

@@Mr_Riffman08 forgotten history of New Zealand

[@jeffersonneeson1535]

@@Mr_Riffman08 or is it forbidden history

[@AllHailTheMagicConch]

Just to clarify Tūhoe are the children of the mist(tamariki o te kohu). Thats my iwi who never ceeded to the crown and still hold sovereignty over our lands 😊. Ever been to te urūwera in the winter? Or tuhoe towns of Waimana, Ruatoki ,Taneatua? Ever heard the song rua kenana? " m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJvMZKCGiLyim9k We are the children of the mist

[@Mr_Riffman08]

@@jeffersonneeson1535 it's history you were fed to justify colonialism

[@rodneyking2570]

Tuhoe married into Moriori as I am a descendant of Maori and Moriori. Not all Maori tribes fought the Moriori. Moriori were a peaceful people.

[@nztoma]

Māori to this day are still fighting Moriori for there native lands

[@chasecullen7630]

We use Lawyers now .Moriori are fighting back.

[@tuma420wc8]

Parts are back in our hands.

[@Maariu01]

Your spreading misinformation

[@DW_Kiwi]

Good on you!! Maori shuold be held accountable!!@@chasecullen7630

[@jackmurphy6209]

The sheep on that island can't die. Such hardy genetics

[@DrANashADay]

You people are lying.

[@eeeaten]

about what? what was a lie?

[@01Breakfan]

As an Aboriginal person, happy to claim Moriori as famz. We are very misunderstood because we follow a different way and we play football better that Maori.........hehehe.

[@Avatar24-bb8cu]

Lol as a Maori I won't argue with you there bro .But we got love for you too

[@kpteam7519]

Lol maoris colonized NZ then british came and done it bigger and better now were all one stop blaming and crying now whanuk

[@eeeaten]

no, you have it backwards. did you watch the video?

[@xXGeneralButtNakedXx]

Did you watch the video?

[@phithomas7383]

cant watch this shit stirs up too much in me, Moriori hard core!