How to Tie a Tie - Four-in-Hand, Bertie Knot - Q&A

Our series of Questions and Answers with The Armoury Founders, Mark Cho and Alan See. In this video we explore two of Mark Cho's favorite methods of tying a necktie. Featuring the classic four-in-hand and the bertie knot.
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Q&A #75

[@Tenkterian]

From all the "how to tie a tie" videos on the web, The Armoury's have the most relaxed, mature and ASMR-like appeal. Even though I know how to tie a four-in-hand and a Bertie, Mark and his colleagues/friends of the house make watching the procedure enjoyable in itself. L'art pour l'art.

[@markchodotcom]

Thank you!

[@MrAndrewChung]

i like your personality. simple but full of depth.

[@kenneth7826]

Excellent job Mark😋🤔😁😂😍😑

[@markchodotcom]

Thank you!

[@sadcel]

I love this guy.

[@NLLHW]

Thanks for introducing me to the mutant Bertie knot! Very helpful as a shorter guy myself.

[@markchodotcom]

You're welcome, I would like to add - it's not actually the correct way to do a Bertie! My mistake, I apologize for the misinformation. Doesn't seem like this knot has a name but I've been tying it for the last 25 years and it has served me well. May it serve you well, too!

[@SirMopy]

@@markchodotcom ya was wondering too LOL Bertie knot is my favorite. I do it differently but hey it‘s working and I actually like the name „mutant Bertie“ haha

[@gigagdragoon2345]

It is actually a modified Knize knot. I found out on a Style Forum thread where the infamous Spoopoker said he uses the exact same knot that you use.

[@gingicomingi]

Don't apologize for your hands. You are dapper and your tutorial is appreciated.

[@antoniohopson5287]

Thank You For What You Do...👏🏾👏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾

[@muffemod]

Nice jacket.

[@danh9002]

Great video! Thank you for sharing!

[@krollic]

Hey, Mark. I too have suffered from very dry skin all my life (until these recent years, in my late twenties) so I empathize with your plight. I would highly recommend investigating "No moisture therapy" which is the only thing that has indefinitely helped alleviate or even cure my condition. It is initially rather counter-intuitive, but the concept is that by limiting exposure (tapering off) or even abstaining from topical moisturizers and limiting oral hydration (water), you incentivize your skin to produce more sebum/oil over time due to dryness. When you perpetually moisturize your skin, you condition it to produce less of its own oil, which is especially bad for people with naturally dry skin like you and I because we become physiologically dependent upon using topical creams in order to keep our skin hydrated. Our skin is remarkably clever and will ramp up/down its own oil production when it is too dry/oily, respectively. Japanese doctors have been pioneering this treatment and it has been working very well for their patients. The problem is that the initial weeks/months are gruelingly uncomfortable (I couldn't even move my limbs and was flaking everywhere) but now I don't require any sort of creams or moisturizers at all, even after thoroughly showering, so it was completely worth the suffering and embarrassment for me. Life changer. Cheers.

[@krollic]

I think I'll give the tab collar a try. I've never had a collar that doesn't intentionally lay outside of the jacket lapels. I like how the tab lifts the tie knot so the front blade arcs outwards and then drapes downwards like a water fall, especially when it curves back in slightly underneath the jacket or waistcoat. Really gives the tie even more dimension and adds to building up the chest area without being gaudy or obvious imo.

[@kenneth7826]

Depending on the shirt..if I am wearing a spread collar..Windsor knot..cutaway collar..a wider windsor..straight collar..4 in hand....button down collar..it depends....4 in hand but I loop it twice..sometimes half Windsor ....

[@markchodotcom]

As you have said, it's all personal taste!

[@kevincragwell3220]

Hey Mark, thanks for the tutorial. So as I watched how the length of both ends of the tie were essentially even at the top of your pants it dawned on me that I may need to buy longer ties. I am 6' 2' and fairly even in length for both the torso and legs (33.5' inseam). The ties I buy never end up like that.The front is always way longer than the back. What are the typical tie lengths offered in the general marketplace?

[@markchodotcom]

Hi Kevin, it varies ... at Drake's our standard is 8cm x 147cm but that will vary depending on the stretch of the fabric. I've repaired ties for customers that over the years stretched to 160cm with repeated, rough use. If you're 6' 2", you could consider using a 160cm tie. Depending on your frame, maybe even a 9cm instead of an 8cm width as well. Drake's offers bespoke ties and we go all the way up to 170cm (we had a VIP who was close to 7' that we made a lot of ties for in that length!). If you'd like to find out more, e-mail [e-mail] and just mention you're interested in a bespoke tie and that I told you about it, they can help you out. In terms of what's in the marketplace, 147cm is pretty long although I think Hermes might be slightly longer still. Otherwise, nothing else springs to mind. Good luck!

[@k1ll3r957]

Off topic: currently raiding my dad's closet for old sport coats and jackets and a lot of them are inside plastic bags thst must be from dry cleaners. Does storing them like this benefit them in any real way? Are there better ways of storing suits and blazers inside my closet so they dont look like a deli shop?

[@orlandoy311]

You can always have something like a cloth suit bag or just risk moths eating your garments and store them without any bags

[@adamsyid4363]

what size jacket you wear?

[@rz001]

Hi, your tie knot sticks out and upward. Is that supposed to be? Is that a good style? Thanks.

[@mariahsafra]

What's the right length usually for the ties? Where does they need to end if my boyfriend is 1.90? 🤔 Haha, this is a serious question. Thank you!

[@kenneth7826]

Maria the length should stop at his belt bucket..I am a New Yorker we don't use the metric system..what is 1.90?..

[@markchodotcom]

1.9m is quite tall, your boyfriend probably won't be able to tie his tie with the tips at matching lengths. Instead, he should aim for having the large blade's tip end at about the waistband (or belt buckle). He might also benefit from extra long ties. Drake's makes them to order if you ever need one.

[@markchodotcom]

@@kenneth7826 1.9m is about 6' 3"

[@kenneth7826]

@@markchodotcom wow..that is one tqll fellow

[@juanluismoya1733]

No me entero de na pero está mu bonito

[@MrAndrewChung]

4:04 you were way too happy.

[@fit4xlife]

Just here is one point - your version of Old Bertie is similar to Hugo Jackomet’s version. You can find this version by #10 in the Fink and Mao book. But real Old Bertie knot is by #9 in the same book. Kirby Allison shows the corect version of this knot, you can find it on KZbin.

[@jipmaster55]

What's the difference

[@fit4xlife]

@@jipmaster55 Classical version is tied on Nicky basis, is slightly bigger and more symmetrical, the Hugo’s version is on Pratt basis, is less symmetrical and slightly smaller. I guess it’s a matter of taste which one to choose.

[@jipmaster55]

@@fit4xlife But what is the actual difference in doing? I ask this because I watched the Kirby short video on the Old Bertie and it looks the same. How is this on a pratt basis and how is his on a nicky basis. What is the actual difference in method

[@fit4xlife]

@@jipmaster55 The difference is only in third step. In classic version you go inside from the left in first step. After you go out from the center and then you go to the right (to the oposite side, not to the same like in video) inside, then turn the loop around the thin end and go from the right inside to the center and out. And then end the knot. The formula is: Li-Co-Ri-Lo-Ri-Co-T (the steps are written like you see them in the mirror). Hope you understood.

[@jipmaster55]

@@fit4xlife So basically the question is whether after going through the neck you wrap around from right towards left or left towards right? When I do it I wrap around the back heading left from right

[@kenneth7826]

Tying the bow tie..I tie mine like tying a pair of shoes...you will have 2 bunny ears....after twisting it..first row bunny ear right...second row bunny ears left..say what?😀😋🤔😁😎😂😑

[@markchodotcom]

Haha!