PROOF AI art bros are clueless + aren't artists - here's why!

[@NkenKenY]

im getting tired of ai art on Pinterest when searching for references its super annoying

[@Crazy_Sue]

It's everywhere on Pinterest, its sooooo annoying. I wish Pinterest would purge the ai from itself.

[@TssiiArt]

Yeah me too bro

[@4N4NG_R480]

Yeah same man same. At least if they can't burn the junk make it spread category, i need real source why this make it more and more difficult.

[@espi_777]

ive never ran into it. for some reason the algorithm doesnt feed it to me thankfully

[@euchale]

The situation has become so bad that even AI bros agree by now, if the post I made on this topic in one of my pro-AI subreddits is anything to go by. Got 50+ upvotes which is a lot for such a tiny subreddit.

[@SajiriArt]

Not only did I get more clients after AI became a thing, but I got better clients. The type of people who just wanted a lot of fast art, who wanted to pay the bare minimum and tried to underpay me just moved to AI, whereas the people who actually appreciated human made art and were willing to pay what it was worth were what I was seeing afterwards.

[@SugarThyme]

This is awesome!

[@TheArtMentor]

I can certify this! It happened to you and I couldn't be more proud of you for it 😁

[@Propietario283]

This is why AI is not a threat for actual good artists, only to frauds who want a quick buck.

[@kaleidechse]

"AI can do it faster" - that always reminds me of the Adam Sandler movie "Click". When he first got the remote for his own timeline, it was all fun and games... and then he started accidentally fast-forwarding the parts of life that he would have wanted to enjoy. Yes, having a neat artwork of my OC is great, but it's not the only reason why I do that. I want to watch the artwork take form, obsess over its details, daydream about my OC's life along the way, and then go "whoa, I made that! I can actually do that!" That's just not the same as pushing a button and going "whoa, that cool toy made that for me."

[@enderguardian7443]

adam sandler from click could probably solo a lot of characters due to the fact that he can just skip to when he wins. i assume it doesn't work if he objectively cannot win so goku is out of the picture.

[@kaleidechse]

@@enderguardian7443 You missed the whole point. 😄 I wasn't talking about scenes like when he paused his boss to slap him or fart in his face. I was talking about the scenes later in the movie - like when he went to have s*x with his wife, tried to skip the "boring" part and accidentally skipped the entire session. When his whole family fell apart because he skipped large parts of his children growing up.

[@TheArtMentor]

Looks like I gotta see that movie. Thanks for the recommendation!

[@Opinionerded]

The AI bros over here in music are similar. They make fun of us who learned to play guitar and piano and write our songs ourselves.

[@TheVisualDigitalArts]

@@Opinionerded that’s insane and sad at the same time.

[@Dexter01992]

And then wonder why any community they force themselves into hates them. You can't demand respect while you're acting hostile and your content actively harms any site your stuff is allowed into.

[@TheArtMentor]

And you know what? Nobody will ever care about their "music" either, so they're just envious, spiteful people, aren't they?

[@Opinionerded]

@@TheArtMentor Yessir, I feel bad for them. They thought there were going to get lyrics from ChatGPT and then type in prompts on AI music makers and make songs to put on TV Games and Film and they were going to make a ton of money. That is until, in an interview, the agents who choose music for TV, Games and Film said they are "...looking for authenticity, if you can't sit on the floor of your bedroom with your guitar, or bass or keyboard and make a song from the heart, we don't want you." Ouch.

[@badviper2059]

AI "art" is always the most generic, forgettable, instantly recognizable garbage. It always has "the look" if you know what I'm talking about. Both its distinctive weird shininess with high detail where it shouldn't be, and no detail where it should be. Plus the fact that it looks so... boring, samey, and personality-less. I haven't seen a major upgrade that fixed any of these flaws in ages. Plus... investment dropped A THIRD in AI companies over the last year alone. Companies are realizing it's not going to save them money on anything because even though the results are faster, they're mediocre, and overall the negative publicity it gets them hurts them more than it helps them. I'm not even a visual artist but... can I dance on the grave of AI art with you guys when the time comes? Edit: Actually. The more people cling to AI art, the more I want to learn real art. May I ask... do you have a series on the most basic fundamentals that I can start with?

[@unicornpupart]

i agree with everything you said ai images are not art. robots do not have emotions and arent made to be in the creative industry. art is taking your inspiration, creativity, & emotions all into a art piece no matter what it is. art lets me express myself and my love for lots of topics like animals. everything about a robot trying to make "art" will never work out in the end. nature didn't make robots, we humans did. robots just do not have living thoughts or organs and they don't even need the maslow's hierarchy unlike us. im fine if ai is used as a tool sometimes and if theres a good excuse about it. but i am just sick and tired of seeing ai images everywhere and idiots that call those images "art". i also keep seeing those crappy images on websites i like and buy off like displate or amazon. ai bros shouldn't get money for this, they did nothing but just be lazy. and they'll never understand how precious and long an art piece can take. i'm an artist and i mostly work on digital, it still can take like 5 hours to finish a piece, but it depends on how much detail, what medium you're using, etc. art shouldn't be rushed. i hate the excuse "ai can do it faster" it'll still mess up either way. i recommend just trying every art medium you can get your hands on and practice on whichever medium you like. theres digital, traditional, animation, cgi, clay, painting, watercolor, storyboarding, sketching, even making music or structure! theres a ton of artists that do different things than others. theres also lots of good art tutorials on this platform. also practice your drawing anatomy, lighting, colors, shading, & just draw everything you see and like to get used to. for anatomy, start with geometric shapes or ovals. for lighting, i recommend using warm colors and then maybe some blue lighting depending on the biome the character is in, blue lighting is very good for a cold winter ecosystem. colors is as important as anatomy, learn color theory first and practice with the knowledge you learned, keep the colors balanced between warm & cold colors. i recommend using blues or purples for shading than black. the more things you draw, the better your muscle memory gets. you can easily improve with your art if you learn & practice these skills. i started getting more into art in 2020 and studying every art technique i see from artists i like. it is really cool! :D

[@njalsand133]

Put a cube on a table, then try to draw it accurately on paper with a pencil.

[@badviper2059]

@unicornpupart I'll definitely look more into those. Thanks~ I think the biggest way I always demotivated myself in the past was just trying to jump into super complex stuff right off the start, when really I should be practicing with shapes and basic structure. I kept trying to skip steps 1 and 2. You know?

[@unicornpupart]

@@badviper2059 oh yeah i struggled with that too always tried to draw without sketching out the shapes sketching out geometric shapes for the pose will also improve your perspective and not make your drawing look curvy or incorrect anatomy i also recommend drawing shapes over a real picture especially on animals. since animals can be different shapes than humans.

[@almond4887]

I dont have series but from personal experience I can give you an advice. Start, just start. Doodle anything until you get more confident in your lines and aren't chicken scratching your way around. Then see what YOU would like to improve and start there. Values? Anatomy? Perspective? Only thing I'd say is to get into reading good art books asap and to not study color before values since color really depends on good value knowledge lol Good art books I really like: Everything by Morpho, he changed the way I see anatomy. Framed perspective books Andrew Loomis books Alla prima

[@TheVisualDigitalArts]

35 MINS of Art Mentor roasting AI bros sign me up!🤣

[@TheArtMentor]

Glad to hear you're on board! Have you heard these wildly inaccurate arguments as well?

[@NkenKenY]

i always ask ai bros give me their prompts they just never give you their prompts lmao and i tell them words cannot be copyrighted!!!

[@Wildgarden1]

the problem is, as soon as a new version comes out their prompts are getting worthless

[@aun7106]

i love the irony

[@lefourbe5596]

Eh... Because i often put one prompt for the face. One for the background. One for body, some for accessory. Then i photobash and use région conditionning... It Can take one hour to an evening to do a composition that makes sense. And yet don't look as good as i hoped

[@fero_art]

@@lefourbe5596 Cant tell if you are being sarcastic or not but just pick up a pencil, things will look good, the way you hoped, if u just practice

[@lefourbe5596]

@@fero_art liar...

[@batboythecool]

That guy didn't make Tifa from Final Fantasy. He made Tina from Last Fiction 😂

[@1805movie]

I'm also noticing this pattern from "A.I." bros, and it's this: "If you don't like X, then replace it with A.I." *Example:* "I hate Hollywood. They're corrupt, and the movies are garbage right now, so let's replace the writers and creatives with A.I." It feels like they're either looking for a solution to a problem that just isn't there, misplacing that hatred in the wrong places, or are genuinely hateful towards creatives. I find it funny that they're perfectly fine with replacing artists, but not with (say) football players/boxers (who constantly receive concussions and brain injuries in every game they compete), or Olympic athletes (who strain their muscles if they're not careful). I don't want that either by any stretch, but (like high school) society tends to value sports and money more than the arts. If it's not okay to replace athletes with machines, then it's not okay when artists are given the same treatment. They also tend to side with producers and executives (who are notorious for caring ONLY for money, and being just as corrupt), and not with the people who create for a living. Which leads me to the conclusion that (in general) "A.I." bros are just as greedy, and narcissistic, as the said executives they praise, and probably have this mindset that "money = success/intelligence" (which couldn't be further from the truth). Any rational person can tell you that nobody earns a billion dollars (not ethically, at least), and a majority of their wealth is inherited. Saying they're "geniuses", they "know what they're doing", or "have your best interest at heart" is disingenuous. They definitely know "what they're doing", but not for the right reasons. I'm sorry for going on a tangent. I needed to get it off my chest. Thank you for uploading this.

[@costumeink147]

"they're either looking for a solution to a problem that just isn't there" is right on the money! It's in the way that they characterize artists and broadstroke us as lazy or greedy. They need us to look bad so that they can look good by comparison. Does this mean they understand chiaroscuro?

[@TheArtMentor]

Thanks so much for adding your insights into this discussion. I appreciate it and hope others take the time to read this

[@ali32bit42]

the issue here is politics. alot of Hollywood and AAA game studios are hijacked with politics nowadays. and artists from those studios are "responsible" for their low quality output. it makes perfect sense that someone finds souless AI more appealing then a human that is constantly trying to get political at them and tries to taint their favorite franchise with their politics instead of offering escapism. so basically it has become "i rather have generic AI do it then risk having you people taint my entertainment"

[@WolfJarl]

I've come to see this hostility from tech bros as a form of misanthropy and possibly being sociopathic to some degree, as these people they worship are themselves, as you described; greedy, corrupt and narcissistic, all traits of sociopathy. The thing is, I am a misanthrope (being one doesn't mean I'm some murderous lunatic, I just don't like people) and after the AI craze went into full swing, I've actually come to care more about people. So tech bros' shittiness alleviated my own hatreds.

[@InfraredScale]

24:30 When AI image generators first came out I used them for cover arts and stuff. Not only that it didn't help the music I make stand out in any way, I also felt like I was cheating people that are in a field of art very adjacent to mine. This really pushed me to get into digital art and for the last few months I've been having a blast! I did some digital art for games and such in the past, but I wouldn't consider myself "good" by any stretch. I hope to get to a point where I can confidently make my own cover arts and phase out the AI garbage completely

[@almond4887]

Whenever I see artists with ai covers, from before or now, no matter how good their music is i go to "don't recommend artist" option. :) I don't understand this disrespect from other art fields towards us, musicians, writer and who not using ai for their covers but if you were to steal their stuff and do similar, they'd get mad.

[@drukcg]

Personally, I have delved quite deep into AI and it's capabilities. I like to test things and keep myself and fellow artists entertained/informed. I have used it in the past and have explained my stance on the recent video I have covered on this topic too. I have been watching and listening to this channel for a long time as well and love the community here and on threads. As a 3D artist, I broke down the same mess from a 3D perspective a few days ago, if anyone is interested. I kind of feel bad for seemingly trying to promote my stuff in the comments but thought it was relevant/ and another soldier in this war.

[@Metal-Spark]

"I hope to get to a point where I can confidently make my own cover arts and phase out the AI garbage completely" I hope you're not still using AI covers just because you're not DaVinci. There are lots of other ways to create great cover art and there are plenty of up and coming artists who'd work for below industry rates to get some experience. Personally whenever I see AI art being used for book covers or album artwork I do a 180 and walk away because I assume AI was used for the product as well as the packaging and I don't want to listen to AI music any more than I want to look at AI art or read an AI book.

[@InfraredScale]

@@Metal-Spark By phasing out I mean deleting my older posts that use AI art and reuploading them using proper art. I'm not talking about gradually using it less and less, as playing that kind of game would be fooling myself.

[@TheArtMentor]

I hope you get there too, and can I just recommend that you trust and invest into yourself more? It sounds like self-doubt might be your true enemy, blocking your creative potential.

[@YanabiCreator]

The worst thing is that I heard that training an AI with an artstyle is more difficult than actually drawing it... Like, you could have trained your hand instead. Also I'm really glad and proud of the people who get out of AI and search more self-development in doing the stuff themselves, it's just a unique feeling to create something with your bare hands.

[@stephaniet1389]

One beautiful thing about art is how far one can go into absurdity. My current project has the theme of amethyst, and my materials includes paint made with genuine crushed amethyst pigment, goat leather, copper leaf, and red wine. It's a lot of work, but I'm having fun! I do get frustrated at times, and have to ruminate over how to proceed, but I know that it will all be worth it. The joy I feel when I solve a problem is like no other. Machine generated slop cannot replace the process, and it sure as hell cannot give me a custom leather-bound book painted with real amethyst and wine. And side note: so many folk don't understand Dadaism. It's history becomes hilarious when one realizes that great artists were giving rich robber barons the middle finger telling them they don't deserve good art.

[@catharsisgaze4894]

That sounds so awesome! Your choice of materials itself is like poetry... :D

[@TheArtMentor]

That's very interesting! I bet it's highly rewarding when you get that satisfying result, isn't it? AI could never replicate that feeling

[@mightymsdragon2498]

As a traditional and digital artist myself I really enjoy the process of creating art. It also makes completing the art way more satisfying. To stop creating artwork because a robot learned how generate some highly rendered slop is equally compared to you decide to stop eating and enjoying your favorite foods because a robot learned how to chew and swallow food for you. It’s not the destination that dives me to create but the experience itself that is just as important to me.

[@TheArtMentor]

Well said! It's important to keep your joy as a human experience, right?

[@yukouri]

There was this Bulgarian guy who is very skilled that I used to follow before. He started to use Ai, made new accounts for those Ai generated images, and I was telling him how his illustrations was very him that spoke more than those Ai slops, and I could recognize every time he posted of his own illustrations in the sea of other images compared to the generic Ai stuffs. He was so mad, I could imagine my dad's voice while reading his paragraphs respond to me. To paraphrase, it was something around those lines of:" Those are my idea! I wrote and refined the description! I made everything and the software was just a tool to an end!! [...]" I checked his social, it's just crickets. He hasn't posted anything since autumn, and he deleted his twitter account. I hope he'll find peace eventually and he return to the base of why he loved art in the first place.

[@alvinsmith3894]

Name drop that guy so we can avoid him. He shouldn't get good clients

[@TheArtMentor]

That's happening so frequently now, you know that? Sorry to hear they disappointed you. But I won't be using AI, ever 😁

[@chfgn]

I was originally a supporter of AI as a tool to save time in small areas of larger pieces, like expanding a background by a few pixels or doing an automated lighting change on a photo you’re adding into a larger composition, but I’ve been so overwhelmed by AI slop on Pinterest and Google Image search that I just can’t stand any part of it anymore. The value of AI was to fill in small, time consuming bits that aren’t the main focal point, never to be an entire piece of art by itself. These people aren’t even tracing it or painting over it or adding anything at all, they’re just taking the output of a computer program and uploading it to Pinterest as if that has any value.

[@fero_art]

Yes! AI can help with the "chore" side of work, but AI bros just use it to create the final work and every damn day there's more of it, instead of actual implementation of Ai into art

[@TheArtMentor]

honestly this whole AI wasn't developed for artists, which would've been far better and easier to do so at the outset than trying to replace us, wouldn't it?

[@MsMillieLeeHarper]

When Ai first came out, I played around with it, I admit it, and I wasn’t proud of it at all. I thought it was the only way to survive. My heart started to break because it wasn’t mine, not me. I was depressed about it. I thought it was the only way to compete with Ai. I lost my creative freedom. There’s no freedom in AI! I can’t stand it. This year I decided to enhance my artwork and just be ME! Never felt so free! I wanted to say this, but been too afraid to say anything, thank you. And you know what? I finally found my art style in all this mess. My creativity is through the roof! Subscribed!

[@costumeink147]

Stupidity No. 6 is I feel the lynch pin behind this. These AI bros are mad that the arts were a discipline that remained locked behind talent and they couldn't exploit for quick cash. So they committed theft and threw projection around.

[@SugarThyme]

I keep hearing that it's going to get so incredibly good that it can do anything based on the fact that it "improved" from 2 years ago. But it's looked about the same for a long time now.

[@TheArtMentor]

Yeah I'm still waiting for it to do any character I've made in the past. Still waiting lol. It's a fishing line to hook their userbase, isn't it?

[@SugarThyme]

@@TheArtMentor I'm looking at the work I'm getting done and I can't think of a single part of it that AI could do, and it would waste more of my time if I sat around messing with it trying to get a good result. That's like putting a million monkeys on typewriters and saying, "It'll make something useful eventually." I can just do it myself faster.

[@ali32bit42]

the flaws of AI are plenty. because as i said before, its basically just a compression software like ZIp or RAR. its finding repeating patterns between files and data points then merging them together which lets it memorize the entire internet into a few gigabytes. then its able to "restore" that data back out. this is impressive technology if used correctly, but its also why AI is so clueless and requires 100 diffrent prompts until you get something close to what you want. it doesn't actually think, it doesn't design and it doesn't composite and does not make layouts or anything of this sort. what its really doing is referencing its training data and if that data doesn't contain exactly what you want then it cant make it. AI users just think that slop is good enough and lie to themselves that the Image is actually good. BUT more importantly AI has Zero granular control. see that wall over there? you cant move it slightly to the right, you have to do Manual editing for that. want the same generated product or animal in a different environment or lighting? tough luck using a different prompt or seed will give you an entirely different image so you will loose that specific result you wanted. you cant adjust poses or eyes or specific colors and elements. its all manual Photoshop and then hoping the AI can fill in the gaps. basically its searching google images but slower and more tedious.

[@TheArtMentor]

well said! Couldn't agree more

[@hollowedboi5937]

I guess 25:18 answers this- I’m afraid as a character artist and finishing up my graphic design major how much its being pushed as something employers desire from students graduating- to have proficiency in ai and ai tools. I understood what the director was saying about not having it be the end product but help to ideate by fleshing out your thought process and proposals- though it seems very based in speed over value and kinda handing down some freedom to your employer if that makes sense? Some bits may help but if I’ve already learned from college how to work without it, especially the ideation part, why would I use it? But he just kept pushing it as something we’ll “have to learn eventually.” I just don’t wanna be forced to use it and lose opportunities because of it.

[@Wildgarden1]

its super easy to learn and it gets easyer and easyer by design, so its nothing you "miss in your career" if you dont learn it. In case you really need it later you can use it, but you can try without first.

[@Wildgarden1]

also you have to relearn all the time anyways if new AI tech comes out

[@SugarThyme]

I feel like a lot of it is based on non-artists believing the hype and not having a real understanding of the field. Like when artists were told to trace scenes in old Disney movies because their bosses thought it would make it faster and easier. But the artists themselves thought it would've been easier and faster just to draw it! I can tell you, if I generated random images, it would NOT have gotten me to my final character designs or even close to it. It wouldn't have contributed at all because it's all so generic.

[@cabbits7267]

As a fellow character artist, please continue drawing and sharpening up your 2D and even potential 3D skills. I've played with Midjourney AI when it came out to version 6.0. It's an incredible tool for working out ideas but I can't emphasize enough how...bored I got after a few AI generations. Nothing feels as good as making your own art. The actual process of idea generation, reference hunting, sketching, rendering, etc. Keep making your own art 🎉!!!

[@TheArtMentor]

That's a common rhetoric pushed around, but you know what's ironic? If AI worked as well as they say it would, nobody would need you. Yet AI can't do what human creatives can, which makes it inferior in all regards, doesn't it? Also nobody is hiring artists with AI skills lol

[@drukcg]

I recently brokedown a similar mess from a 3D artist's perspective and how AI Bros are stupid enough to think that.

[@TheArtMentor]

Sounds awesome!

[@drukcg]

@TheArtMentor thank you 🫡 just another pawn in this battle of corporate chess 😄

[@shada0]

I'm so jealous of AI, just as a master chefs are jealous of my ability to microwave a TV Dinner.

[@fero_art]

"I am a chef, i microwaved this frozen pizza and added some sauce on it"

[@TheArtMentor]

different audience, different expectations, right?

[@shada0]

@@TheArtMentor I guess I really missed the mark on the intent of that statement. I'm suggesting (or hoping) that this AI art junk will be like something the average joe uses, while their is still a need for an experienced professional to do the more detailed work. Professional artist = Professional Chef. Microwavable TV Dinner = AI Art How can I be Jealous of a cheap & quick tool, when I can do the same thing with greater control & detail. (of course this doesn't account for the art theft)

[@JM-mh1pp]

I think it is a bit like furtniture, making chairs, futons, desks etc. It used to be art, hand made, durable beyond belief, it was something you inherited, most people could not afford a nice chair because it was a piece of art. As machines became more prevalent more and more people could afford buying nice looking furniture, but hand made furniture still exists and is currently more expensive than ever, it is a flex to own one of a kind thing.

[@Chonkeeartist9001]

Truth be told, AI art supporters are simply desperate people looking for easy answers to the common question of how should one be able to draw expertly and they often say artists are gatekeeping as an excuse to utilize AI algorithms and cope up with their insecurities. They are speaking about themselves whenever they say us genuine art people were supposed to be in this "copium" bubble that we are traditional art boomers resisting technological advancement. These people knew the answers all along and yet, they persist on denying it because they are impulsive, impatient, and often times not really serious about art making and simply want to commoditize it. If you are a young artist constantly engaging these toxic people then you should stop. Just focus on yourself and you'll realize it's not even worth arguing with them because they've already conceded on the fact they can't do it which is why they do AI art to compensate for their lack of courage to act and realize their own dreams. Embrace your dreams and stay away from bad influences.

[@TheArtMentor]

I feel the same way! Often times AI bros try to talk to me as if they have any interest in being open to real discussions on art, but they don't. Know what I mean?

[@BrianMays1]

@@TheArtMentor I know exactly what you mean! I try to nicely interact with them on Threads and they divert. I call them out for ineffective communication, which usually gets me blocked. Or I get bored enough that I block them. And don't get me started on the term "gatekeeping." Some of us are gatekeepers - we're hired to help clients maintain a certain level of quality. What some call "gatekeeping" we call "standards."

[@Siropfraiseeu]

I think they call it "dark horses", people who got the drive, passion to perform into a subject

[@TheArtMentor]

And even those horses just do very basic, mundane things that are completely ordinary but consistent

[@RentsLeague]

I still like dropping by as an A.I user, but I can't agree with some of these statements, like it being only used to make money. Your side is pretty interesting to hear but it usually just boils down to villainizing A.I, but it's good to see both sides... so keep er going! And since a got a drawing tablet now Imma be learning some new skills

[@fero_art]

5:33 can u explain what you did there? How did you got those shadows with those leaf hole lights that easily???

[@stephanos6128]

I assume he has another layer blended above it and it didnt show up until the colors changed

[@almond4887]

7:34 funny you mention this because elongated muskrat used ai gen to make a family photo with himself and the children he never spent time with

[@TheArtMentor]

did he really?

[@theflyoverstatecreative]

Thanks for making these videos! It makes me feel less alone to hear you talk about this.

[@TheArtMentor]

I'm glad to hear this helped! Have you heard these bogus arguments before too?

[@theflyoverstatecreative]

@@TheArtMentor I've heard of them! When AI was new, I had several friends who were on board with Ai models. Now it seems to have died down a bit. I think partially because Ai ended up underperforming at what it promised.

[@torrentthom4734]

Preach! Also, I like your Tiffa way better, and not just for the chest size but the color choices/mixes and overall proportions. 🤠

[@TheArtMentor]

Thanks for saying so! That AI trash was awfully funny though, wasn't it? lol

[@Fansabisu]

I am an art student, and my teacher allowed ai artists to present their work at our art show. The thing is that my teacher put a specific rule in that the ai artists would need to explain and defend their work to EVERYONE at the art show. Needless to say, the ai art didn't make it into the show.

[@cabbits7267]

Oh wowza. Were there a lot of students using AI? Good on your instructor for putting up a rule like that. Totally not wrong either, artists in academic and show settings are expected to be able to explain their art and try to defend it against any criticism.

[@TheArtMentor]

Yeah AI at the university level is just stupid isn’t it? I actually made a whole video about it here: How AI art is destroying schools and art education kzbin.info/www/bejne/enaQZqajqJWMq9U

[@Fansabisu]

@@cabbits7267 It wasn't really art students that used AI. The students could actually make art themselves. It was the guest "artists" that used AI.

[@Tenshii_Artii]

Thank you for bringing up the mental manipulation and gaslighting these guys do. At first I just brush them aside and ignore them. But the every day it seems to be getting worse. They get more bold, they are becoming lacking of empathy. And all they can resort to is pre-teen immature responses that makes them think they look cool.

[@TheArtMentor]

I'm glad to hear you picked up on that!

[@Propietario283]

Sadly, there are a lot of artists doing the same. Just endless bickering with no substance. That's internet for you, I guess.

[@NkenKenY]

ai music also sounds souless and annoying it hurts my ears

[@TheArtMentor]

Oh god that's awful, isn't it?

[@brother-tico4363]

I couln't said it even better, and I agree with all of that. Especially Supidity 9: AI image generators give this delusional idea that just because they put a text and generate an image in seconds, it makes them an artist. No is not! They're not a real artist by just using these apps like Midjourney or Dally. The machine did the art, not the person. Being an artists requires time, work and patience. You have to do the work by yourself, you have to practice over and over again. And if they're not patience and discipline enough, if they're not going to do the homework, the work or the craft by themself, I don't think Art is their career, they better find another hobby or career.

[@TheArtMentor]

So true, and just like everyone new to any endeavor, most come in completely unaware of the intricacies. Hence, why I don't think AI users will make it

[@Propietario283]

Not to diminish efforts of artists, but one could put plenty of efforts into AI generation too. Sure it easy to make a slop with a simple prompt, but these tools have a lot of controls that regular users will never touch.

[@Anonymouthful]

AI "artists" are either people who dont know how to make art or have respect for the creation proces OR people who find giving artists money annoying and now are over the hill having an opportunity to just steal everything they can get their hands on.

[@rcguy2175]

Creating my digital art is my power.alien and aliens movies inspire me and other scifi movies.I look at the environments and ships interiors to get ideas or taking a walk in nature also gives me ideas

[@cabbits7267]

Keep on drawing dude!! What're your favorite scifi inspirations in your art?

[@rcguy2175]

@cabbits7267 alien movies star trek and others

[@cabbits7267]

@@rcguy2175 Nice! Some staple Scifi series right there 👌

[@rcguy2175]

@cabbits7267 thank you

[@TheArtMentor]

That's awesome! Never lose that passion!

[@MsDeathbox]

One of many reasons I ditched DA for Bluesky.

[@TheArtMentor]

how's that going for you?

[@dreadscott2606]

appreciate the video. on the point about money, I don't even think making art with the hopes of making money is in and of itself a bad thing. for example, there's a manga series called Gambling Apocalypse Kaiji, about a man who goes into gambling to pay off a debt from a friend of his who passed away. the author was injured doing construction and, seeing the growth in the manga industry in the 80s, decided to make a manga about gambling. in his case, the content and the motivation matched and it was a huge success. it went on to inspire Squid Game, funny enough. so I think if someone is gonna go into art to make money, they have to give it their all regardless and treat it as a profession, since it won't be easy money

[@ChemicalViruS004]

Maybe when AI boomed a lot of us felt we lost respect but as Ai became mainstream the regular folks started to appreciate real art more and even calling Ai bros out. Ai was just a trend like Vines used to be or Harlem Shake dances or like the low waist pants...it came as fast as it went out of trend, now we have videos and after that it will be something else. Art and artists will always stay but trends like Ai, they come and go, they are inconsistent and do not stick on the long run because these folks are just chasing the hype.

[@Wydrolak]

Artists used to have patrons, some wealthy people, who decided to take care and regularly commissioned their mentees. Johannes Vermeer was this kind of artist. His patron used to commission him with painting his wife, daughters, mistreses, and had his requirements how he wanted them to be portrayed. But none of those patrons had so overgrown ego to tell that he did is the artist.

[@nofrillstarot9372]

I got frightened by this KZbin video on my feed, about a freelance writer mourning the jobs he lost to AI. Would like to know your thoughts on that. His comments section was so full of despair, I couldn't stay there. I personally don't think AI can go beyond simple articles, and it seems like the technology has already nearly hit its peak with diminishing returns.

[@Klyonide]

I feel like I’ve seen this video before, I might be wrong but this guys still has more ways to earn money. If you ever fear of the fact that ai is going to replace you at some point and your struggling to find money, always have a backup. Find a job that will not be replaced by ai, and keep what ever you like as a hobby. I’m planning to make content part time with a job that does pay well (that maybe I enjoy). It may be scary but we just have to adapt, maybe if we get lucky, the only thing that ai does to us is helping us with our work like how they were “intended” to do so.

[@soulofcinder3409]

Art community needs more positivity and you are doing a great job! We have to help and support each other! There is no other way around and we can't let them win by giving up on our dreams

[@yesbutyes5992]

We really got to the point where we need a mythical proof that AI bros are lazy and are not creating anything? Lazy at best... most of the time even worse. Humanity really is in a sad situatuon.

[@joshua42777]

A dabbled with AI art and unaware of the stigma, wanted to make fan art with a v tuber, they pleaded with me not, to then I looked into the damage that AI art was doing, Now I'm learning 3dart with 3dcoat and blender.

[@BrianMays1]

I love 10, it's what I've lived my entire career by! In any creative endeavor if all you bring is some technical knowledge, you might be replaced by someone else who learns it. I'm more of a graphic designer than artist these days, but I would tell fellow designers is if all they bring to the table is a few tricks in Photoshop and InDesign, you're on shaky ground when everyone else does that. But what I did bring? A thirst to learn more. A desire to help a client succeed. An urgency to try to new things. And a push to teach others what I did in the office. The worst AI bros don't get that, they stop peeling the onion two layers in and think that's far enough.

[@OmegaF77]

I'm a hobby game programmer and I tried AI image gen for about a week and gave it up because it was so frustrating to try to get what I want. I just started learning game art myself.

[@thistlearts5161]

The last 2 years were my best years career-wise. I've been fully booked in 2024, and I'm fully booked till the end of 2025 with character designs and book cover art. I think that for my niche which is M/M and Achillean romance novels, it somehow became a black mark to use AI character art and cover designs. People seen doing this get on the blacklist with book bloggers and reviewers. They rarely end up in book awards and podcasts etc. So most people who promote their books are eager to hire real artists who are also part of the community.

[@njalsand133]

Ai bros are in denial and can't cope with criticism. They suffer from grandeur and being human.

[@stephanos6128]

which is funny cus one of the main things artists learn wuickily is to take criticism (or recognize wht is and isnt criticism) they wanna be artists soooo bad but cant even handle that thing artists go through

[@TheArtMentor]

Well said, my friend! Ever try to give them feedback? It's like trying to hug a pissed off porcupine lol

[@vapor404]

ai bros will never be artists there prompt writers nuff said

[@TheArtMentor]

even those who upscale or inpaint aren't any different

[@vapor404]

@@TheArtMentor didn't know inpainting was a thing looks cool so be it it's another thing that breeds mistrust

[@CrazyGreenFluff]

ai art sucks because it sucked the creativity right out of me. i used it in 2023 to generate "character designs" because i felt lacking in my own skills, but i later realized that was just a shitty crutch and in needed to actually develop my character design skills 💀i haven't used it since 2023, i am disgusted by its past influence on me. you are not an artist if you rely on ai generated imagery, please just pick up a pen and practice drawing on some real paper. use a pen because you won't be able to erase your mistakes and you'll have to either find a creative way to fix the mistake or re-draw the image, forcing yourself to improve :)

[@AppleStrawberryLove]

I would disagree on the talent part. There is such a thing as natural talent BUT it will never compare to someone who has invested in it. When I was in junior high, there was a girl in my art class who was naturally talented. She was always head of the class with less effort. It was frustrating. But after art was no longer required, she stopped pursuing it while I kept going and working hard to improve my art. By senior year, she was looking at my work and asking how I got so good because now her ability had degraded to just slightly above average. If she tried she could still create some great pieces. But I could consistently outshine her now. Talent means nothing without the hard work.

[@valterink8997]

AI commercials by KZbin all video, the irony

[@valterink8997]

Great video though, I'm 100% with you!

[@carlosquall15]

We artists are just minding our own business and all these AI "artists" comments in order just to make us feel bad because we're actually enjoying the process of our art making and they're disturbed. P A T H E T I C

[@SimicChameleon]

AI arts community are pride and slothful lazy vibe. It was fun to figure out in learning painting skills in this month It was fun to make a thin-line arts, press auto select, invert selected area and shrink selected area. Later press fill the colors and you got a flat color. I had a fun time to figure out how to paint and now i am practice art to get there. You will end up pride and proud to figure out how to do it and learn to repeat that method in arts. It took me a decade in art practice to figure out in paints and learning to speed paint.

[@TheArtMentor]

well said!

[@SimicChameleon]

@@TheArtMentorThank you. I try ai arts in past. I notice they lack details and reckless. AI arts will lose novelty; however, learning arts will increase novelty and skilling up irl.

[@shada0]

God can AI Thieves go one conversation without talking about money?

[@TheArtMentor]

Or, they hide their monetary ambitions too. Have you seen that one? They act like it's genuine, but always comes back to designing a product or saving a buck

[@shada0]

@@TheArtMentor I'm afraid not. I'm just getting good at Digital Painting so I've only interacted the AI bros on KZbin comments. I have yet to try making money with my work. (hang on, I did get paid for flatting 17 pages for a comic, so there's that)

[@fero_art]

AI artist dont want to create, they want the money, its that simple

[@ElijahPaint-x1z]

What are these AI-stans trying to prove?. They're just devaluing themselves and taking the super cheapest, most unappreciated "jobs" or uses and leaving us with all the far better opportunities. 😮

[@TheArtMentor]

My thoughts exactly!

[@TssiiArt]

I wanted to make webcomic

[@unciervoenciervado]

the debate has been settled a long time ago. It sucks, it's a scam and nobody wants it, but its so easy to make they will use it to bury actual artists.

[@TheArtMentor]

The only thing keeping AI so prevalent is the insane amount of money invested into its development and marketing is trying its best, but that's not going over well with consumers, is it? lol

[@costumeink147]

The art community is so toxic banter comes from "art tuber" drama that happened a couple of years ago because people used video of them drawing to talk about people rather than art in a way that didn't even relate to their relationship to art. It wasn't a reflection on how someone bullying a budding artist made the artist's relationship to their art stronger. Nothing like that. They were essentially gossip channels with drawings happening in the background. It was just piggybacking off of the gossip channels that were popular at the time. No real value was added to the art tube community at this point in time.

[@jaketodd9232]

AI art sucks the fun out of the whole process! Its so sterile.

[@TheArtMentor]

all the more reason to keep it personal and your own, right?

[@matthewshiers9038]

I don't doubt the accuracy of the statement at 15:40 that X and Instagram are dying platforms. We can add Meta into that mix as well, by the way, since Meta owns Instagram. Using Meta as the example here, Mark Zuckerberg himself stated that he plans to inject AI bot accounts onto the platform to increase engagement. No matter how you slice it, synthetic engagement isn't real. And I'm certain that there's no shortage of bot accounts pursuing a whole assortment of agendas on X and Instagram as well. What you have at the end is a whole bunch of fake users throwing Likes and Follows at you, but never bothering to commission you. It's one giant scam to keep those platforms on life support. It's only a matter of time now before the advertisers catch on and direct their funding to other places, at which point X and Meta will have to pull the plug, or reverse their stance on AI altogether. It may already be too late.

[@raincandy1653]

I was invested in AI art but it was like gambling. You can't really get what you're looking for from AI. You can get something close, but not really. That, and I didn't want to give up on my dream of becoming a super talented artist lol

[@Kuthuwu_Productions]

100% Correct, anyone with capability to make their own art should never look up to, or turn to AI. Biggest issue with AI right now (and for any foreseeable future I can personally see). Is consistency and specificity. AI is great for people who can't create, and want to get something without expectations it works out fine. But if you have an exact image in your mind and think AI can get you there. You would be wrong. I put in a year trying to learn art and just couldn't do it, I envy you all who could.

[@angelcandelaria6728]

This is great for our mental health ❤

[@ed2fun]

What people don't understand is that the internet is not reality, could reflect to some extend the real world, what AI bros are starting to realize is that no matters how fast and how much art you generate or create, that is only part of the process, the difficult part is to monetize your work, to sell it, then let's say you try to charge people $20 for an image they can generate themselves for FREE, ???, in average people do not care about AI generated images and the average people do not commit with it, in the other side companies will not pay you either, because the majority don't want it and the ones that want it develop their own AI solutions or generate it themselves, will be always people that like something and people that will not, but AI brings to artist more goods than bads, like before digital art, traditional art had a price tag, look at it now, tradition art increased its value and many people still love to create traditional art and a lot of people wants to acquire traditional artworks because they value it higher that buy a print, then the applies in this new scenario, AI offers a tag price and automatically make digital art more valuable and double the tag price of traditional art as well, now that we have all this AI generated trash all around the place, people value more art and hold it in a higher value now, before digital art you the price for a comic book page artwork was around $50 to $70 now you can not find it under $150 going up to even $300 per page, and AI is pushing the price higher now, soon the labor for just one page created traditionally will rise to $500 per page or maybe more, those original pencils on paper will rise in price exponentially, and if you have some original artwork hold it and care of it, if you don't have any and aspire to own some buy it now because by the end of year the prices will rise again by 400%, right now the higher tier marketing you could have for a graphic novel is to show the original traditional work of the covers and if the pages were created traditionally too, you almost have success warrantied, and AI is the reason for it, digital artwork is a little more hard to value, but right now you MUST and need to document your work, record your timelapses because that will increase the value of your work.

[@rcguy2175]

Art tells a story about it me.

[@TheArtMentor]

And nobody and nothing can ever tell it better than you can 😁

[@akiraohalloran]

It might be petty, but I love A.I "art" slander. Makes me feel validated.

[@TheArtMentor]

lol really? do tell about that

[@akiraohalloran]

@TheArtMentor It makes me feel validated because I unfortunately see a lot of people online, (especially LinkedIn) that say human artists "deserve" to be replaced by A.I. And it's like?? Who hurt these A.I bros so bad for them to wish people to lose their jobs?

[@fomxgorl]

ai is one of those things where i used it before it was cool and only used ethical models. ai shills and corporations ruined it for me. maybe if things change, like using ethically sourced data and ethical usage, i might play with it again

[@TheArtMentor]

Ironically, there aren't any "ethical" AI models out there, are you aware? All AI engines for training tap into LAION, and so that's been a powerful lie I've tackled in my previous video. Did you see that one?

[@old_shupshe]

AI great at generating multiple mediocre images in a short time and never really getting better at it. An artist actually learns with each image. While AI follows the Infinite monkey theorem. Generate enough images then one or two out of a million will be halfway decent as art. While I agree that the art community is not toxic, there have been some real assholes out there that offer to critique art work, especially in the comic genre. Not really look at the art and tear everyone down. Luckily they are few and far between.

[@chaosincognito]

One of the worst takes, imo is the comparison to photography. Photography doesn't work the same. Photography is taking a moment of someone's life/view and showing the best parts whether they do edits or not.

[@typical_moggie]

I am someone who is not completely opposed to using ai for certain things, such as research. The problem with ai is that it is borderline useless for most applications, it's horrible at programming, bad at art and writing. It's not even great at the thing it's supposedly strongest with, since you still have to go and fact check if you don't want to sound like a moron in a report or a research piece...

[@mrsticky005]

Unpopular opinion but I think artists who would rather bitch about whatever the "AI Bros" are doing than actually making art are not actually artists. Thats not to say there are not issues with AI and artists should fight for their rights. Just stop using AI as an excuse to not make art if you are an artist. Whatever you consider art to be an artist makes art. You, as an artist should not fear AI as an obstacle but instead see it as a challenge to be the best artist that you can be. And to those who call themselves AI Artists. Challenge yourselves to push AI tech past its limits and to make the impossible possible I think thats what art is about.

[@nonyabusiness3619]

❤

[@reyskypony6909]

It is free infinite resources, and I won’t stop gatekeeping

[@TheArtMentor]

lol me too!

[@ArtOfRavenD]

Honestly, if I saw that AI "Tifa" image without you telling me it's Tifa, I wouldn't have known it was Tifa. Also, the pose in the AI Tifa was just straight and generic. Yours had more of a bend and stuff.