The CRAZY TRAIN SOLO ANOMALY (Why it always sounds off when we play it)

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[@TheArtofGuitar]

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[@TheAgentAssassin]

Damn dude I think perhaps your the first to figure this out.

[@georgecornwell7706]

Brilliant stuff. Thanks for sharing!!!

[@chazbutcher]

Not only did Randy play different notes on different takes. He also played the solos differently live.

[@todddavis4274]

Chaz...you are exactly right. That's obvious. But all of it worked perfectly, IMO. Randy is my favorite and Dime is second. Those types of players can never be completely figured out because when it all comes down, it's in the hands, emotions and personality.

[@tobi_versace]

I've never seen any guitar player play their solos live the way it is on the album. Slash never plays the album version live

[@NOWABOmusic]

Solos are typically improvised.

[@Kikan319]

Randy was the Prince of 80's metal.

[@TheZenytram]

bc is borring and the musicians had already heard it 500 thousand more time than everybody else

[@mistertv9930]

My new excuse for not being able to play fast is “copyright reasons.” 😄

[@TheArtofGuitar]

Haha. Well try uploading Ozzy songs and see if you change your mind. Sharon’s on that stuff man. 🤣

[@madsam7582]

@@TheArtofGuitar The Demon Cow cometh!

[@HCkev]

@@TheArtofGuitar that's sad, this definitely falls under fair use, but yeah, can't take the risk to have the video taken down and waste some precious time trying to dispute the claim

[@angelotro]

I might use that excuse for everything I don't do perfectly: "hey, I don't wanna get sued, man!".

[@impalaSS65]

@@TheArtofGuitar She is definitelly the Yoko of Sabbath.

[@biruboto]

what are you, some kinda rhoads scholar?

[@TheArtofGuitar]

Hahaha!!!

[@yoursweatersux]

This is some top tier punnery.

[@edgardaniels1402]

@@TheArtofGuitar That was funny, but no kidding, I never knew this, but now that I do, it makes total sense. I’m a crap house rhythm acoustic player, been playing for years and that’s put me next to a bunch of guys that have driven themselves crazy trying to replicate Randy. Awesome video and explanation!

[@wades2132]

Oh god Jaysus.

[@georgegriffith7263]

This is a Rocket Scientist showing off

[@justinkarnes3276]

TAoG: "Isn't it interesting how dissonance can sound good in the context of the solo" Literally all of Jazz Music: "Am I a joke to you?"

[@garymiller7880]

Ani Difranco: "hold my beer..."

[@tsuukkii]

ravel: dissonant melodies intensifies

[@thed3m0n0id9]

Most of extreme metal arches an eyebrow xD

[@throwawayidiot6451]

Anything with heavy distortion in equal tempered instruments is dissonant in the harmonic series of single notes, even if the melody/chords aren't theoretically dissonant.

[@TheLucidDreamer12]

This is neoclassical, which is what makes gjis surprising. Classical and neoclassical are all about precision, meaning this is incredibly unusual

[@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle]

Max Norman has said Randy actually triple tracked his solos. in addition to being an all time A leaguer, he was incredibly precise and could replicate his solos in just a few takes. Randy did not play the songs live the way he did in the studio, in fact at the famous guitar clinic he died shortly before he died, he could not remember exactly how he played the solo on the album and chorus since he had changed it so much live.

[@soofitnsexy]

yes. alot of pros cant remember exactly how they played something

[@michael1]

Dying shortly before you die - one of the worst ways to go

[@butterknight37]

I always knew that the solo was double tracked but never realized that some of the notes were different. I always thought he was just off on timing by a few milliseconds. thanks for bringing it to my attention

[@Worlds_Worst_Guitarist]

Me too.

[@mikem1006]

Me three.

[@Wingchun83]

4 sure

[@mad234luiz]

Can you imagine if that was the case. I would go crazy trying to time it

[@arloroan3168]

He was human and they used tape. Either on purpose or a happy accident. What does it really matter? It turned out pretty swell.

[@UncertainEarth]

lmao "Randy never makes a mistake", reminds me of his live 'Dee' performance, where he messes up a bit and says "It's not as easy as it looks" lmao

[@TheArtofGuitar]

Hey, as a guitar player I have to follow certain laws of guitar protocol. 🤣🤣🤣

[@romichaelo]

lol, the studio out takes of 'Dee' from the end of 'Tribute' album, "ooops"

[@ChrisMikeGR]

I used to play Dee and it certainly isn't as easy as it sounds. Once you master it though, oh, the feeling of accomplishment... I haven't played guitar professionally for 20 years and oh boy I miss what I used to be able to play back then. Randy, what an untimely death :(

[@smokerx893]

@@romichaelo i knew what ya meant :)

[@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle]

A Randy Rhoads mistake is the equivalent of someone else playing near perfectly

[@09numbers09]

Are we not gonna address how great his guitar tone is...? 💯💯

[@TheArtofGuitar]

ENGL

[@MegaNancyLover]

It sounds so close to the official track except somehow modernized!

[@EddieJarnowski]

Randy's or his? I was thinking wow that gibson has the best tone i've ever heard. What is that? Please tell us.

[@bingobongo1615]

@@TheArtofGuitar could you Link to your rig maybe under your videos or here? I think you made people really curious here^^

[@randyblack5942]

Good point randy had that classic metal tone

[@TheArtofGuitar]

Just hit a million views on this one. Thanks to all of you who watched it.

[@collintaylor3705]

Well here’s another view😀

[@MancoBlanco]

Well done

[@RevStein]

idk why yt recomended me this, but I loved

[@notjackson9821]

yea man of course

[@stereorifles3191]

excellent video bro. since I have learned theory I have really come to love accenting with different degrees of the key to create solid/sweet/ dissonant tones depending on the song.

[@TweedSuit]

Randy was a perfectionist. You can be assured what you hear on the recording is EXACTLY what he approved.

[@lelandwittjr1883]

Exactly he was classically trained so he knew what he was doing and how it would sound together

[@DanMarcelino]

Don’t be so sure. Those guys were so high they didn’t know up from down most of the time. Some of the beauty of music however is the perfection in imperfection. They were most definitely mistakes, that they listen back to and say.. shit that sounds great and really works. This is extremely common in tracking records.

[@guidemeChrist]

You can be "a perfectionist" and still suck, case in point

[@IGrocker]

@@DanMarcelino not Randy, he smoked and drank, but was known for being professional in the studio. He wasn’t one for Ozzy’s crazy lifestyle and was contemplating leaving the band after the Diary tour concluded.

[@Kado_Tornado]

Lol no

[@musefan12345]

I think if you’re learning a Randy solo, and you’re getting down to this level of detail, it’s fair to say that you’ve already mastered it.

[@chrishill5919]

I wish.. lol

[@numbers7889]

Exactly! I literally know how to play it but I’m trying to play it NOTE FOR NOTE! If you pay attention to detail it’s so interesting to play it afterwards

[@herby97]

​@@numbers7889tool

[@yu-ger-bloob-highway3521]

When you don’t play guitar but still watched the whole thing.

[@deanwilliams534]

Because it's rr

[@borborygmus5873]

Same reason I don't sound like the Mormon Tabernacle Choir when I sing by myself.

[@MichaelMaxwell747]

But you should hear how it sounds in my head! I am bad at singing.

[@CattleRustlerOCN]

If you look into Randys musical education history you'll see there's no way the differences in the solo tracks are accidental or mistakes. He was that good.

[@chiefgoose8682]

He truly was. His musical brain was such a sponge and really absorbed everything in a masterful way. His classical guitar background/lessons ( in which was continuously ongoing) showed so much in his playing and was getting better so fast. He was just getting started of what he could’ve achieved if his life wasn’t cut short. Much respect to Hendrix and Stevie Ray Vaughan, SRV is probably my favorite guitarist of all time if I was forced to pick just one. With that said if I had a choice between them three guitarist to have not died too soon I’d pick Randy just because he had so much more to prove and to achieve as a guitar player. As I felt Hendrix and SRV had pretty much peeked in playing and writing ability in comparison to Randy....if that makes sense lol idk just my opinion. Don’t misunderstand...I’m not comparing the three in a way of whom was “better”, that would be stupid as they all had different styles

[@matsumoku1]

Yes. But the real question is why do dissonant notes sound like harmonies. If you tried to play them together they don't sound good. How can that happen.

[@jeco2512]

@@matsumoku1 It might be creating an auditory illusion like a binaural beat.

[@jerff]

@@matsumoku1 tension > release. The key is context. See: Jazz

[@jerff]

While I’m sure the different parts were intentional...I’m not unconvinced that the reason they ended up together was because of an engineer muting the wrong track and then everyone jus went “hey that’s cool!”

[@davidsperduti3767]

I could be wrong, but I think Randy did this to create a dissonant sound that’s reminiscent of a freight train. It’s heavy and has that unstoppable and unpredictable vibe. it fits the idea of the song perfectly. Randy goes for the same kind of freight train ambience at the very beginning as screaches into his first riff. On purpose? Yes. And I’ll tell you why. It’s easy enough to say the descending 3 notes in the solo were played differently by accident.. But that repeating pull off run that follows show he’s absolutely relying on a whole different pattern. And in total that goes on for more than a full bar. that’s on TOP of loose overdubs. He’s literally taking the solo off the rails by varying it right in our faces. I bet Ozzy never even noticed any of this lol.

[@ericvandruten]

When you record a track twice (L + R) so tightly it becomes mono again.

[@TheArtofGuitar]

Big mono!

[@metalriffsfunthrash4129]

No, because you put them just slightly off time so it has stereo separation, micro-delay, big wall of sound and can even be done with a single take copy/pasted, panned and EQ'd different per side and sound YUGE!!!

[@cynaminstick6693]

heh, that is like throwing two darts and hitting the exact same spot! It's not realistically possible when you get down to nano-seconds

[@gmsmithucdavisedu]

@@TheArtofGuitar I as pretty impressed by how close the two versions were. But it is fuller sounding than mono.

[@leaveitorsinkit242]

Not if you record different takes. The subtle difference in both parts will widen the sound.

[@burakozturk68]

He actually has triple takes in this solo, one hard left, one hard right, and one in the middle.

[@Dastardly_X]

🌟

[@rapid13]

Not according to Bob Daisley. Randy recorded with 3 mics: close, middle distance, and farther from amp. It was analog delay.

[@jmadventures9830]

that's true, I wish he'd acknowledge that!!!

[@taunokekkonen5733]

Actually there are 5. On top of what you said, there is a mandolin panning left and right, and a sitar in the middle.

[@Frip36]

@Dog Supremacy Ozzy only has 2 good albums so that's not saying much.

[@Grumplefut]

I learned about this from dimebag, he was talking about how he doubled his tracks and tweaked each track a bit to give it that tone. He even said he learned these tricks from Randy. RIP to both legends!

[@somnibus8475]

When you push dissonant notes through one signal, you get that sharp contrast that almost muddles the notes together. But, when separated by recording over each other, they both come through clear, even if both signals are centered in a recording. Even in high gain, they ring clear. But like I said, if playing dissonance through a single signal (especially with higher gain), it becomes muddled.

[@HocusPocusFocus69]

I don't think that Randy played anything by mistake on those solos. I think that he had every intention with his notes.

[@jgmiller804]

Its possible he ran both tracks down, realized he changed it a little, but they just ended up liking how it sounded in the mix.

[@hardballget]

100% deliberate, many recorded this method, highway star solo Ritchie Blackmore e.g..

[@mariokarter13]

Like the two takes are trains, and where they diverge it goes off the rails.

[@Donovanhal]

I think he was trying different things and they just took the tracks that sounded cool together. If you listen to the bootlegs, he plays this solo different all the time.

[@conniethesconnie]

If they wanted the exact same thing played twice why have a second take? Just double the original.

[@lespauldisciple3349]

Another trick I noticed that Randy did when double and triple tracking his solos. YES, he triple tracked some solos. What I noticed is on one track he'll do a half step hammer-on and on the other track he'll bend the note up a half step. (For the uninitiated, Randy could repeat note for note even his most complex solos multiple times which would flabbergast recording engineers who'd never seen Randy play.)

[@Uqinue]

That’s dope af

[@georgeparkins777]

Triple tracking isn't that weird. Even Jimmy Page did it... Nobody's Fault has somewhat fast triple-tracking in the intro.

[@j_freed]

I think Randy realized that the passage of dissonance was so brief that he could get away with it creatively, or he actually played the solo twice two different ways that happened to be really close, and the engineer in the room and Ozzy Osbourne thought it sounded great with the two different versions of the solo together.

[@rist98]

there are a huge lot of "happy accidents" in that whole recording. its part of the aesthetic. I suspect they weren't perfectly planned out, but in fact were quite accidental, or at least, done without much thought behind it. it just has that kind of sound to it. I know intentional when I hear it. I know "a lil off the rails" when i hear it. this is prolly the latter, and obviously it totally fits.

[@rubievale]

Yup, that's definitely a "close enough" moment and not a deliberate choice of dissonant notes. If you're in the moment, tracking solos, it's not always easy to simply play exactly the same thing twice. Studio time is expensive, hella expensive, and there's often serious time pressure so I suspect this was close enough and they liked the vibe, and the vibe is the most important thing

[@j_freed]

Exactly, a "happy accident" but One that takes a lot of training and practice as a musician. You can tell that Randy planned the solo like a little composition, and he's really in the pocket as far as timing.

[@j_freed]

Recording music really is about the performance and the vibe. #1 priority

[@JRRoss-vx1ni]

I agree and I think they might not even have noticed it. I sure didn't. There were probably a bunch of different takes and those were just the 2 that sounded the best to them.

[@maroonblood151]

It's strange to me how these videos can be demonetized when in reality it will only generate more revenue for the artists since listeners (especially new listeners) will go back to listen to the actual tracks.

[@Jonathan_Doe_]

They claim the songwriting credits from the song being used in the video, the moneys still happening, it’s just ending up in a major record labels pocket.

[@stevecarter8810]

It has nothing at all to do with the artists, and everything to do with the publishers (copyright holders). If the copyright holders are like the plantation owners, the artists are like the cotton plants.

[@jairusjones4270]

So this is Randy telling us, teaching us that you can screw around with the Melodies all day, and it will sound interesting, as long as it is parallel

[@5roundsrapid263]

A lot of bands have done that. The Beatles and Beach Boys had songs in two or three keys at once! It worked, so they recorded it.

[@josephrobichaud2852]

@@5roundsrapid263 the Beatles were famous for making chord sounds with their instruments and voices… you play this note, I play this note, we sing these notes like this and it would be a wall of chord tones layered together… genius.

[@MisterRorschach90]

When I was in senior year of highschool I couldn’t sleep because of the prescription pain killers I was prescribed and I stayed up all night and learned the entire solo perfectly. I was so excited. I finally fell asleep for 1-2 hours before class and when I woke up I was no longer able to play the solo perfectly.

[@kingsxkids]

Sounds like a nice dream🙂

[@sammyraie98]

state-dependent memory example. nice.

[@Anders2112]

Maybe if you slept for 7-8 hours you would internalize it and remember it. Interesting.

[@sugarnads]

Or you were actually asleep and dreamt it

[@MintyDreams]

@@kingsxkids It's not that unbelievable

[@H.E.M.]

I swear we lost Randy too soon. Him and Dave Mustaine are the reason I got into and play V shape guitars.

[@jaded9234]

For me, it was Randy and Kirk Hammett. Neo-classical was always my preferred style and main influence, Randy is the "second step" in that evolution after Ritchie Blackmore(who pretty much picked up the Metal/Rock star gauntlet after Paganini dropped it a couple centuries earlier. Metallica overall is perhaps my earliest and, if I'm being honest, most critical influence, "Ride the Lightning" is my favorite Metallica album and Kirk was playing a black V quite heavily during that time. Then, years later, I discovered Children of Bodom with Alexi Laiho (childhood violinist turned neo-classical shredder and singer, RIP). He played a modified "Mustaine" signature that he modified further into his own signature. The most famous one is perhaps the one with a yellow Jacket-style black with a yellow stripe lining it.

[@nicolasarbogast2739]

Mustain himself influenced by Michael Schenker

[@jfo3000]

@@jaded9234 I'm a big Alexi fan too...I think his signature models are definitely altered Rhoads body shapes.

[@Thecoolman1]

Angus made me play the SG

[@albinospino3089]

@@nicolasarbogast2739 Schenker is dope.

[@JessesAuditorium]

I wonder if Ozzy inspired him to do it or Iommi himself since he also doubled his solos

[@johnc1963]

I just read a comment by you on Carl Brown’s Classical Gas tutorial.

[@skateup2291]

Yeah there was others in his time that also double tracked solos but randy was definitely the best at it. This song is a great example.

[@jacksongatens2419]

Iommi is the master of doubles solos imo, sometimes even a third track on top

[@desensitizedtv9862]

Randy was not a fan of Black Sabbath, according to those who knew him. He was not initially interested in playing for Ozzy.

[@TheOnlyHollywood1]

No Randy hated Black Sabbath. He thought they were goofy

[@JuanRamirez-xh3kc]

I've always heard and I thought producer Max Norman confirmed Randy triple tracking most of his solos.

[@aryinc]

Damn, could also be offset tough. each track duplicated but offset 1ms on each track. thats also an option.

[@kschantz]

From what I remember, he triple tracked his rhythm parts. I guess he could have triple tracked his lead solos too. Maybe the third track was at a slightly lower volume to fill in empty space and give it a fuller sound.

[@kschantz]

@@aryinc that's sort of what a stereo chorus does. I used a stereo chorus output to a Marshall DSL100HR and a Peavey Butcher. The sound was incredible. I've been chasing the Dragon on that setup, mostly for lack of space to have two stacks setup all the time.

[@highspeedsuicide]

Makes sense. You can hear it a lot for sure. I just thought it was picking two strings for two dissonant notes

[@aryinc]

@@kschantz I believe he triple tracked them. It is time consuming but possible.

[@briangisler1981]

THAT WAS FREAKIN AWESOME!! Randy was a true musical genius!! Light years ahead of his time.

[@mp29643]

Light year is a measure of distance.

[@BobK5]

@@mp29643 distance in time

[@Fartsnack]

@@BobK5 No he's right. It's distance. The distance light travels in a vacuum over the course of a year.

[@davidrockey7190]

Absolutely you heard that also Good. 🌽

[@nicreven]

@@Fartsnack okay but you can say that you live three hours away from something, despite that being a measure of time maybe they're just trying to say that he was lightyears ahead as in "miles ahead" and not as in "years ahead"?

[@dtabor85]

There are SOOO many solos I love that just can't be done in a satisfactory way without double tracking. One of the saddest things to me is hearing a banger solo then trying to break it down and realizing.. shit.. this is like 3 different guitar tracks..

[@adamschlinker972]

When you played the D and the E at the same time my first thought was "sounds like a choo choo train horn." New unintended level of genius unlocked in this solo.

[@davidcook8323]

I've always heard that train whistle tone in the song since highschool. I would think that is no accident, not with Randy. Geniuses indeed...

[@themikemorrishour6288]

Randy was a music teacher like his Mother. He was planning on leaving Ozzie to improve his guitar playing to study advanced Spanish Guitar. So he did everything on purpose.

[@LopSidedPopCan]

I feel like I play this solo a different way every time I attempt it

[@TheArtofGuitar]

Apparently so did he. :)

[@Disciple_Of_Lerxst]

I have the same issue. Everything I play it contains completely different notes, different temp, different phrasing, different melody even...I think it's because I really can't play that solo

[@willroland9811]

You guys should check out Shadow's Fall and thier cover of this song. I, and few others I've played it for, think the lead there is about as tight as it gets. Everybody winds up bug eyed at the end after the closing run. Somebody said something about eating Randy's lunch? That's a bit far for me, but he definitely did a great job....

[@lordcorgi6481]

Sorry teacher, but I'm not going to be able to turn in my homework until next week. I have to slow it down for copyright reasons 😁

[@birdedup]

when I heard "Crazy Train solo" I immediately thought of the crazy guy playing guitar on a subway

[@livedandletdie]

You are very young and uneducated. But one can always learn new stuff everyday.

[@BrianStocking]

It was on Amtrak.

[@iv689]

The guy who crashed his head in a wall... Several times

[@jalRVA]

I discovered the double-tracking by accident when I was in college after I dropped my Walkman and noticed some of the tracks had dropped out (until the next time I dropped it, or maybe gave it a good thwomp) 😀

[@vencemcadams2927]

Sometimes it's hard to reproduce something you do in the moment. Sometimes you just play what you feel, and then when you listen back you wonder how did you just play that?

[@tritontransport]

Yeah spot on! Al Pitrelli another great guitar player from this era who played for Alice Cooper , megadeth, savatage and now Trans Siberian orchestra of course. He said he plays the solos slightly different every time he plays

[@sangorilla1]

Pretty sure he intended that sound. The art of using dissonance is about resolving it as part of the phrase. Balanced over a moving base line you get a wonderful expansion of tonal color beyond the overly common power 5ths. The guy was adventurous - more power to him.

[@garydarland5259]

Absolutely could not agree more. If he made a change it wasn't technical error or hitting a "wrong" note it was artistic process.

[@rbarnes4076]

@@garydarland5259 No question at all that what you are saying is true. Classical composers discovered this in the late 19th and early 20th century. Best example is Rachmaninov. His music sounds incredible.. but what he is presenting to our ears, played slowly, is more dissonant that you would expect.

[@iel69burner]

It can be many things... as a musician myself, a personally don't think that he made a "mistake" or even that he made it on purpose. Maybe he just played it different cause he forgot it lol but when he listened to it was like "heyy this is different but actually sounds good" or just didn't mind it so much and let it be

[@sithisdawnsend2730]

Dissonance is a reason Korn is my favorite band. They use it so often with the guitars.

[@miahthorpatrick1013]

Yeah I was thinking of KoRn when he was talking about those dissonant notes!

[@mariokarter13]

If you do it once it's a mistake. If you repeat it it's music.

[@thewobblywelder8362]

Korn sucks

[@Myrkskog]

Hail Sithis!

[@A7xeno]

@@thewobblywelder8362 Then don't listen to them lmao

[@spartan2512]

he actually recorded this solo trice not twice, that why it sounds so powerful

[@ivanbiskis2562]

This video is a testament to all the little things the great guitar players did! They really were out of this world Thanks for the great video Mike!

[@xnetpc]

When I was learning how to play Crazy Train, I was told I was better off learning the solo from the live version because it is almost impossible to make studio version's solo sound right. I was a teenager at the time, so I just took the person who told me this at his word and never asked why. Great job figuring out such a small, but very interesting, detail. Thank you for sharing.

[@ThotSticks]

P

[@ZakEdwardsOfficial]

His Live playing was much more who he was than those studio takes. The Tribute album truly shows where those solo's would have been, had they given Randy the time to work them through.

[@ryanbarker3978]

This is generally good guidance for music from the mid 70's onwards. Post production got more and more complex from this point onward, so it's very difficult to match studio tracks exactly when you are one person playing one guitar by yourself. A significant number of classic rock and hairspray tunes are double tracked; many of them with two different harmonies.

[@kristopherkrahl1597]

Thank you for confirming we weren't going crazy all these years. I always thought it sounded like two guitars on the album, but having gone to 2 concerts on that tour I knew Randy was the only guitarist. I had thought maybe they used an extra studio guitarist but him double tracking makes much more sense. Thanks!!!

[@dojyr3130]

Pretty sure the majority of guitar parts are double tracked

[@drewdeathless]

It sounds so cool. Definitely enforces the “crazy” theme of the song.

[@tomitstube]

always heard the dissonance, but never knew how it was done.

[@jfo3000]

The other thing is his multi-tracked vibratos and bends being slightly out of sync gave that otherworldly "chorusing" sound, that you'll never duplicate playing a single take by yourself.

[@turtiain]

Wow, I am not a guitarist but a great Randy fan and this was really interesting. What surprised me most that I could actually hear The Thing in the version 3. Great video!

[@unacuentadeyoutube13]

Imaging Randy didn't take that damn flight, the music he and Ozzy would created. As Brian May sang, only the goods die young.

[@tybrustornt]

Or billy Joel

[@keithklassen5320]

@@tybrustornt -Wayne Gretzky -Michael Scott.

[@stevea2488]

He probably did a bunch of takes and those ones sounded the best together even thou they were slightly different . I know he's a brilliant guitarist and my favorite of all time but I'm pretty sure it was probably an accident that sounded great and they kept it . Nobody's that good to do that on purpose, not even Mozart.

[@mosthatedminnesotan]

I agree that it was probably accidental... RR was definitely well rounded and one of the best in his era, but not the master people try to make him out to be. I will say that there are people who know how to blend sound that well on the first take, but they aren't recording electric guitar and vocals in a van....

[@ethanconnell9880]

I went back and listened to the original and I can’t unhear it

[@MaciejStelmach]

Awesome job!!!

[@AuroraLuxi]

This thumbnail is his way of getting people to click on the video 😂 He looks under 30 and we all know he's much older than he looks, but this is genius 😁 Btw, thank you for explaining in your video. I love your channel!

[@TheArtofGuitar]

I'm 74!

[@AuroraLuxi]

@@TheArtofGuitar What's your secret and beauty routine? 😆

[@butterknight37]

@@TheArtofGuitar You are not 74, you don't even look 30

[@hkguitar1984]

@@TheArtofGuitar I’m 59, I look only 55 however I make up for it all by acting only 17.

[@UmarKhan-iw8md]

@@TheArtofGuitar I'm 5292

[@thanotosfelicitas7099]

Phil Collins use a Drum Machine in "In The Air Tonight" for 2 reasons: a drummer would get bored and he needed the drum machine's repetition to add to the background atmosphere

[@Trainwheel_Time]

Yippee?

[@thewobblywelder8362]

Ok?

[@OKredneck]

Who gives a fuck? It's a shit song and I get bored listening to it

[@heliqs_]

@@OKredneck who asked lol

[@Obi-WanKannabis]

I never noticed it but it sounds so amazing, it's a little unnoticeable detail but it adds so much to the solo.

[@CharlesLeftwich]

Friggin hilarious!!

[@jodiiiiii]

By the way on the recorded version I don’t think randy bend taps on the solo. I think he hammers on and uses the wammy bar cause during the “bend tapping” part it goes down in pitch.

[@vorpalblades]

Pre-bend and release.

[@jakeguitar934]

This is one of those solos that you have to be him to replicate it perfectly

[@nbrowser]

Randy Rhoads was highly talented and skilled...gone way too soon! Imagine the level he would be on these days if he was still with us,

[@drfiberglass]

Randy knew what he was doing. He's an artist.

[@MannElite]

Randy is my favorite guitarist. I think he's criminally underrated, and he was an amazing live performer.

[@tomstepp3954]

When you're a guitar player you place your personality into your style of playing for better and for worse. Randy was a free-willing creative guy. He would try new things on the spot. It worked really well because this is a fast paced intense solo.

[@austinelliott3497]

I like how his explanation for the great sounding dissonance in the layered tracks is pretty much just “Cause he’s Randy Rhodes” 😂😂

[@TheArtofGuitar]

For anyone asking about the run at the end of the solo: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXXakGR6mryFiqc

[@dontneedtoknow5836]

The fact that it is on separate channels vs the same channel. ( two different directions ), it probably doesn't have the compounding effect which causes the dissonance as you call it. Much like how hot and cold can not be mixed, but separate they have their own feeling of bliss. Its5hard to explain but separating things sometimes makes them better.

[@yenkodavi3573]

😭 I want this guitar.... But im go a have to settle for the epiphone. 😭😭🤣

[@stanrusk2522]

Outstanding, And I can’t even play. Persistent detective work. Other challenges?

[@manbeefcake]

I just realized how ridiculous it is to pander to those who get upset for speaking negatively about someone with significant skill. Randy Rhodes was an amazing guitarist to have created all he had at such a young age. Becoming overtly aggressive to others for their contemptuous remarks against Randy Rhodes vacuum seals an otherwise open environment of an already limited field such as music. Cultists are disgusting people. Go back to your beehive. Speak freely, orator! Teach as freely as required to soundly lecture.

[@haventthoughtofanameyet6364]

As a man who has fist fought over their favorite guitarist, I can respectfully agree lol

[@SongWhisperer]

Obviously Randy didn’t create these sounds by accident or dumb luck, the guy was a musical genius so you can credit everything Randy did to that.

[@FernieCanto]

"Obviously Randy didn’t create these sounds by accident or dumb luck" But that's something that even the very best musicians do sometimes. Music isn't all about absolute calculation, it's about intuition as well.

[@keihan5]

I would suspect, like a lot of us, he would experiment. Sometimes, through experimentation you discover new things, somewhat accidentally, and they become part of your repertoire and style. This does not make it anything less than genius though. Even EVH said he discovered a lot through accident/experimentation. Style can't be taught, it's an expression/extension of self and Randy's classical training wouldn't have taught much of what he expressed on guitar while playing rock. Classical is a lot more rigid.

[@gregmcnamara3126]

Being that it was Randy, it wouldn't have been a mistake at all..... RIP Genius.

[@1970borntorun]

Dude, don't get me started on Randy's genius !! lol :)

[@bigwillie5717]

Brilliant share of an other-world guitarist who’s true genius will never be known. We had Eddie, thank God...but Randy and Jimi were gone way too soon.

[@gianlucatixson6621]

I actually read on a Guitar Player magazine that he didn't double his solos, he triple recorded them! That guy was really out of this world

[@johncaccioppo1142]

I remember reading that too, I might still have that copy from around '85

[@Kriegter]

Cliff Burton actually does something similar behind the main guitar riff in Master Of Puppets

[@bobbyhempel1513]

Without earbuds sitting outside with wind blowing around listening to this on my phone I could hear the difference that is amazing.

[@justo316]

Much like how the pitch of a siren changes depending on whether it's moving toward you or away from you, I think Randy's "off" notes give his solo that effect of solo'ing on a fast moving train where some of the echo'd notes change pitch due to movement.

[@spriteangel901]

incredible thought right here

[@checkwikipediasrsly9274]

When you bend a dissonant note, you're taking it up a bit in step and this can render it being a harmonious note. Dimebag liked using floyd rose bridges to do this and also go lower in the note's octave as well to create sort of intermediary notes.

[@Ervinabrahamian]

Nothing worst than restringing a Floyd Rose though 😡🤬😡🤬😡🤬😡🤬😡👺😡🥵🥵🤯🤯😵😵😵😵😵

[@interstellar618]

Its not strange at all. He was a musical genius. Those arent mistakes.

[@JB-su3eq]

Whenever you're trying to learn a song on guitar...get software and try to recreate the original recording as close as possible both in tonality and in playing. Learn all guitar parts...and learn the vocal line on guitar and lay it over the tracks. You will learn infinitely more about tone, effects and the guitar players in the band youre trying to emulate...and guitar and recording in general than you will without it.

[@miahthorpatrick1013]

I learned the solo for a cover version for a friend of mine many years ago and It was then that I learned about that “double tracking solo” shtick. It really did make a difference!

[@-bravoechodelta255-6]

for me, the thing about solos, is that they always unique to the person playing them in the same way that a rap remix would have different, or an added verse. if you cover a song, the solo is the way for you to express yourself, and its not meant to be repeated in covers, its meant to be replaced by your own interpretation/version, so you shouldnt be striving to sound exactly how it is in the recording

[@hkguitar1984]

I’ve had pretty good luck using the “Mimic” pedal, while not a perfect solution it does well in a live situation. Great breakdown of this iconic solo. Thank you

[@TheArtofGuitar]

I had one. Loved it but gave it to my friend.

[@hkguitar1984]

@@TheArtofGuitar Yeah, I rarely use mine. There comes a time when you look at the storage shelf and realize you've something of a "Tribble" problem! "Gifting" pedals is a wonderful thing to do.

[@jfo3000]

I used a Mimiq live, to a cab on the other side of the stage, and the other guitarist did the same. We sounded like a guitar army. Got lots of questions about our "tone", Lol!!!

[@rico387]

I was thinking that would be just what that pedal is for. As long as you’re messing around, try your Mimic pedal on an acoustic. It will give a 12 string(ish) effect.

[@47279J]

This is just epic. As if Randy's playing wasn't mindbowing enough. And this makes sense. Every time I hear someone play Randy's songs on KZbin, I go "man something's not right".

[@derekhehn1321]

I just ran across this clip of Ozzy listening to the master with the solo(s) isolated and had to come back here. YOU NAILED IT. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fqGwi32MgN6to5I

[@zacksrandomprojects9698]

The 3rd one sounded right once I heard it, but I was happy with the 1st two also. Nobody will notice the 1st two are off unless you tell them. Dont stress over it. Rock on man!

[@guitarhole]

Randy always nailed it on the first take . Then recorded sloppy seconds to go with it .

[@WeTubule]

Oh, except for Dee. The first and last time he recorded multiple takes to get what he wanted. 🙄

[@gazzarip]

other than Randy himself, the best version of the Crazy Train on guitar is from Traci Guns. Wow the guy loved Randy's playing and you can tell he studied

[@kevinslater2329]

Not only was Randy creative, he was a clever Guitarist... If you notice, in all of the songs from Blizzard and Diary, he made all the solos designed that no other Guitar solo, no matter how good a soloist you are... It won’t match! Rose solos were cleverly composed, that you have no choice but play it the way Randy plays those solos. I miss him so much, just imagine if he was with us today, he’d probably still be the top notch Guitarist of today running and blazing at the top of the list.

[@toddmendieta7493]

Hey I just wanted to say your video is a great topic and you addressed everything that goes with recording tracks in the studio. I have to say you are missing one detail that I dont think your quite understanding. Towards the end of the video you mention that Randy is "Following the track pretty well." The best thing about recording music like a live performance with the element of human feel is that it will never be or it can fluxuate between on the beat or note or just after the note or beat. If you record a track of rythm lets say and then you copy that track to another track. On playback even if you split the tracks pan left 11 pan right 4 for example it will do nothing to fatten up the sound and give it that sort of stereo feel. What you get is just a louder track without that spacious feel. I also play two solo tracks seperately and I always have recorded that way because of the massive sound it gives you. Try this for fun....record a lead track on track 1 and hopefully you are recording with headphones. Pan track 1 to 10 left and on track 2 pan right at lets say 4. Some people play right on the beat like a metronome which mostly refers to drummers because they are the beat in a studio situation which is much different than live. Everyone in the band relies on the drummer to be the metronome for the studio recording. But with lets say guitar when you start recording the new second track to your first track with left right panned you will experience that amazing stereo and Big fat sound which you actually either lag behind or play ahead of your first track. At this point the element of Human error or Lack of a better word will allow you to play the song where it sounds incredible to your ears and as you play through, your brain firing off signals to your hands will either retard or advance the milliseconds that you are playing to the other track creating the Chorus/Reverb sound without the use of the chorus pedal. I am almost always 40 milliseconds behind the note. Its what sounds right to me. Find out how many milliseconds your two tracks vary and you will almost always be in the same ballpark + or minus 2 milliseconds. Go ahead and try playing right on the note with the other track and I dont think you will like the final product.You might as well copy and past track 1 to 2, add Chorus pedal, left right pan with all bells and whistles. It will never be anything like the human feel of 2 seperate guitar parts. Our imperfectness gives us the perfection of sound. I hope I was able to help on this subject. You have a great channel! Much respect, Todd

[@slidersson]

This is some weird stuff. I've been working with music for 30 years and of course Randy was lazy in the studio and did not nail the overdubs. It's obvious.

[@seansullivan4709]

If you listen to him recording "Dee" on the Tribute album, he plays just slightly different on each track which richens up the tone.

[@kyledadams]

Super stoked you mentioned Iommi and his double tracking technique of playing two separate solos. When I discovered this years back it totally changed my approach to recording.

[@droowayne]

A good musician makes mistakes. They just make the mistakes sound good.

[@glenncooper3524]

I doubt it was a mistake but maybe, won't change my view of Randy, I can totally see how it'd work on two takes. Sure when you play the two notes together on your guitar the wood Is fighting with it the Amp and speakers are fighting it but single notes on two different takes won't have a big issue with it.

[@free-birdrocker8809]

Randy was one of the kings of the lead guitar. Lots of folks dont plug in one equation to these kings in the studio and stage is they are smoking wacky tobaccy and boozing it up. If they were sober then it would probably be non "dissonant" as you claim. But if the werent stoned, they wouldnt be entertaining? No? LOL! He's stoned.....

[@americanthundergod9749]

Now that I’ve listened to it I’ve come to realize I have ALWAYS heard the anomaly but never paid it any mind. Not only can you hear different notes but you can tell he played the second take ever so lightly slower too. They aren’t quite lined up perfectly and that in and of itself makes it even better!

[@iradole8362]

Dimebag did this sort of thing on purpose, he talked about it in interviews. He said Randy was his inspiration and that he would move notes around until he found the dissonance he was looking for..... I wish they were both still here. Thank god we had them for a time

[@ThotSticks]

Yes

[@charlieharper2880]

Randy Rhodes was a pure musical genius period.

[@bobbywright6354]

Thats why it never sounded just right when i play it. So freaking cool you made this video

[@petsematarykeeper]

just picked up my guitar again after 5 years after 're discovering' Randy, and found this channel recently, love this channel, keep up the great videos!

[@dougblanks6883]

Randy actually tripled his solos on every song

[@rhoadsmatheson2246]

Yes sir.. he would put the best in the middle then he ghosted the other two on either side. Dime did this only once on the track "I'm Broken".. he said he would never do it again. They were indeed tripled, not doubled.

[@Wizardofgosz]

I've seen actual interviews with Max Norman, the recording engineer who said he played them twice. Also, think about what a waste of resources that was back in the analog 24-track tape machine days. Using a THIRD track for a solo? What's your reference for this?

[@bry2k]

@@Wizardofgosz Multiple 16 and 24 track tape machines were routinely slaved together at the time that Crazy Train was recorded. Track count was not an issue.

[@TheArtofGuitar]

If you pan the solo in Crazy Train to each side you really only hear one guitar in each ear. I believe it would have been obvious if there was a 3rd, center, track because it would some that guitar mixing with the hard panned guitars but I don't. I've read in many places about triple tracking but at least in Crazy Train I'm just not hearing it.

[@StarGazerTom1991]

If you get the copy of the audio from Guitar Hero, which has all the instruments separated, you can completely isolate out the other instruments and listen to the guitars separately. (There's a google document that has links to download all the official games music files and note charts out there for Clone Hero.) Get the files, listen to the guitar track on its own, see what you can hear.

[@danielmankiller5098]

Randy didn't record these intending them to be double tracked. Randy would record a track in my studio, because it was small and cheap but high quality, then send the track to Ozzy for approval. Then he would go to the big studio where the album was being produced, and record it again. After it was recorded, the producer decided to double track. When you know it was done this way, it's actually impressive that Randy had such a sense of timing that these tracks that were recorded in different studios, possibly months apart, even could be double tracked. I think, if I remember correctly Randy did one track of the Crazy Train solo fretboard tapping with a pick, and the other with his finger. Randy was the most professional guitarist I have ever worked with, with Jason Becker being a close second. Randy didn't want anything playing thru the moniters; it was all his internal sense of timing. Even when there was a long pause on a track, he would count it off in his head and always come back in in time. The song Mr. Crowley is probably the most layered songs of his. One of the tracks on Mr. Crowley is actually Randy and I playing together, so although it wasn't intended, I am one of the guitarist on the studio version of Mr. Crowley.

[@danielmankiller5098]

My bad: I just listened to some Ozzy, and it is Diary of A Madman that is heavily layered and has me playing on one of the tracks. Randy wrote Mr. Crowley, Crazy Train, and others with me. He would have me play certain parts of the songs over and over again as he was writing a solo. Randy was my guitar teacher. That's how I knew him, and why I worked so closely with him.

[@stanknugget]

Fuck off.

[@davebishopcomedy]

Wow

[@andrewbrown1936]

Man this really awesome !!!!

[@jamesnewton485]

Never forget that some of the coolest riffs and licks were the result of a mistake. The guitarist unwritten rule. If you're a professional you never admit to a mistake, if the result is an amazing riff/lick, for at least 20 years. An amateur, like myself, can own up to a mistake after a month or so. On occasion my drummer bro will say "Dude, that sounded sick!" And I'm like "I know, right." 😀 but secretly, I know I really screwed it up and just got lucky. Shhh, don't tell him.

[@dannyeddyguitar]

This is great! I love this sort of a deep dive fetish-fest! I actually remembering reading (in Randy's 1981 Guitar Player magazine cover story. I'm old.) That he TRIPLE tracked all those solos. Hard left, hard right and dead centre. Keep digging mate!!

[@robmccoy5207]

We need this issue of Guitar Player!

[@tedtownsend8933]

Randy Ef'd up. He didin't change it because it sounded good in the soup.