Astrology and Death

[@ThatPositivePsychologist]

Finally! Astrologers address this topic which is seen as SO taboo but yet is very interesting and quite critical. Death is part of life and TOTALLY ignored by astrologers. THANKYOU for sharing this!

[@carmaela2689]

Chris and Madeline, thank you for this. I get annoyed at astrologers who think this subject is too sensitive or taboo to even approach it. We have to be able to discuss it. To our fore-bearers, death was always close and was just a part of life. People were much more comfortable with death because they didn't have the luxury of hiding it away from themselves. A hundred years ago or more, If grandma died, you laid her out on the table for a "wake". You would have a lot of children because the chances of them all making it to adulthood were slim to none. You would dig the grave, or build the pyre, or prepare the body. This was all very normal and expected. Death is very much a part of the human experience and we need to be able to embrace it and talk about it!

[@nataliedurica3766]

Thankyou for your comment. Absolutely death should be talked about openly and embraced. By not doing so, it hinders spiritual growth, separates us emotionally from our loved ones. It can be so much better, we could grieve a little lighter if there wasn’t the taboo surrounding the topic.

[@stellacruz2371]

I saw my friend's death in his horoscope after learning of his lung cancer in September of last year. His Chiron return in Aries began at the same time, Eris was also conjunct his natal Eris in Aries 8th house while Pluto was lingering in the first few degress of his 6th house at the tail end of Capricorn. I tried to stay positive for him but inside I knew what was happening. Unbeknownst to me at the time, his 8th house Pisces (houses were split) indicated suicide could occur. He suffered horribly, unable to breathe and unwilling to change his diet, and no doubt fearful of what was happening to him. Knowing your once vibrant life is coming to an end must have been difficult for a manifesting generator. I knew once his body couldn't move any longer he would not be able to live. His larger than life silhouette came to me when his life ended. I didn't realize what I was seeing at the time. I saw myself being held against the chest of this giant shadow figure. I went to sleep after that then found out a few days later he had died. His 50th birthday would have been next week. He was my favorite person on the planet. I'm a Taurus Sun, Scorpio Rising, Capricorn Moon.

[@mytravls]

Can you share some points what to look for in a chart? Break it down step by step

[@lilshortie8991]

My nephew was 29 just passed a week ago, Massive Heart attack (also a big boy)! I was looking at his chart I canr remember specific but for that day mostly about diet, heath, depression, change. He had lot going on in 6th houze; did say he needed change unhealthy bad habits or would say farewell to someone. Sorry for your loss, I also know how feels to lose a real (best) friend! My rising is also Scorpio moon is cap my sun is Libra.

[@virgofilth]

I think if anyone could facilitate a conscious, tactful yet insightful conversation about such a sensitive topic it would be you, Chris. And I think for that reason I would love to see a discussion of the length of life technique, I think you would be able to do it justice with all the sensitivity and consideration it deserves. Madeline is incredibly insightful and I appreciate her candour when talking about her experiences, also had no idea she was a cofounder of the Honeycomb almanac!! Fantastic discussion, thank you both so much.

[@s.d.crockett486]

That was me. I changed my travel plans but would have been on the flight from Boston to LA. I have Jupiter in the 12th house. I also didn’t get a job one summer in college at a Starbucks by my house and sadly the employees were robbed and murdered. I feel like my Jupiter in the 12th is spiritual protection.

[@gillianculff3603]

🤯

[@candicewilliams8038]

Very interesting to see your view point on jupiter in the 12th house. I previously have viewed it as an odd curse and indicative of having MANY hidden enemies..but maybe there's another side of the coin.

[@takiyahalexander862]

My husband was a Capricorn Sun, he passed the very day Saturn ingressed into Capricorn in spring of 2018; Three days prior to that I was trying to do a personal reading for a client and in retrospect I realized I was predicting his murder! It was extremely difficult for me to even touch my cards for the next three years.

[@MissJoy16]

Oh my gosh! Are you willing to share any more details about that experience?

[@kayleighberkana]

Daaaaaaaaaamn

[@boa1793]

Takiyahalexander, I respect you for sharing that with us.

[@takiyahalexander862]

​@@MissJoy16I certainly am love, it's an extremely intricate story that I'd love sharing with you all!💙

[@takiyahalexander862]

​@@boa1793Ty so very much! I've been wanting to share in detail for years, but since it's still an ongoing open case I've been reluctant to tell my story!

[@ShirleyMalia]

Chris and Madeline I thank you both so much for discussing this topic today. I felt your respect come through, as I so needed to hear this now. Im still raw in grief over the recent passings of 2 great loves of my life. One passed in May the other last month in October. I felt an understanding from you both that's eased me in my Circle of Life today Much gratefulness and blessings and love to you Madeline and Chris

[@juliegiles334]

Thank you for this episode. I lost my brother this fall, and tracked his quick demise through the transits and eclipses; in some strange way I found some comfort in the astrology. The grief is still profound, but it helps as you said find some meaning in his passing. This is an important topic that everyone has to deal with at some point, thank you for this discussion.

[@takiyahalexander862]

I've been studying this in my chart in regard to my mother and my husband's passing; I'm also trying to prepare for my grandmother's celebration of life because I feel it so intensely near .... I'm sorry for your loss Chris 💙

[@BrenBigs]

Sorry for your losses. Sending you hugs 🫂

[@takiyahalexander862]

​@@BrenBigsTy dear!

[@michelecollins3262]

Condolences on your Mom's death. Mine died in the late 1990s. Losing a parent is huge. My heart goes out to you

[@alakhani86]

Thanks!

[@TheAstrologyPodcast]

Thank you for your support, I appreciate it!

[@joollywoolly6864]

This is the topic I've been looking forward to hearing astrologers discuss. At last! Thank you so much, Chris and Madeline.. I'm really looking forward to this. Love, all💕🌊

[@LaDeeDah]

And from the best astrology podcast out there too! I just learned about charts in January from an intuitive nudge to listen to one of his podcasts and I find I focus a lot on 'death charts'. I used to be terrified to die now I'm just like I'll be going in to another chart ❤

[@Heykyddo]

I like what Madeline said around 1:16 in about wanting to know to make productive use of effort vs leaning into the surrender- ironically I know both types of cap risings haha- one has Uranus, Neptune, north node, sun, all tightly conjunct his ascendant and he’s oscillated quite a bit but he’s seemingly in full surrender. He also has 12th house sag placements though- like mars, more into spirituality nowadays than the grind of his life. It’s so beautiful to witness, tbh. His beliefs constantly shifting, but especially with the NN on his asc he’s the type to decide to surrender bc things keep happening to him. Love my Cap Rising/dominant friends, I always resonate with them.

[@erisincarnate]

Finally! Was wondering if this episode would happen yes! So much curiosity about how taboo it is to even bring up with astrology.

[@8thhouseangie639]

Thank you Chris and Madeline for discussing this topic. Condolences to ALL who have recently lost someone.🙏 I have my sun, mercury, mars, uranus and pluto all in the 8th house.. Plus a Scorpio MC, conjunct Lilith with Neptune in the 10th as well . When I first learned about my chart, I used to be a bit worried of what all that energy could imply, but not anymore. Taurus rules my 4th house of ancestry, which puts my Venus in the 7th. I believe my transition will be peaceful, surrounded by my husband and close family. Along with my deceased parents coming to escort me away.❤

[@Sherry1092]

I’m very grateful for this episode . astrology has been a double edge sword for me, great to prepare for what’s to come but then not so great to know. Your warm words about finding peace with our charts and the path we have been given was very comforting. Thank you 🙏.

[@ruled_by_pluto]

so glad to see you talking about this on your podcast. few astrologers want to discuss death but there are absolutely death indicators in natal charts and transits. i've been able to look at a chart and determine cause of death with pretty close accuracy. the elements involved are sometimes keys of how someone dies: water, earth, fire, air. water signs prevalent among the various indicators i'm about to discuss can indicate dying in or near water, for example. if earth is there, maybe they hit their head on the ground or something. maybe if an air sign is relevant, their airways were blocked. the 8th house isn't the only important house to look at. the 4th house isn't just the home, it's also the grave. you can also look at the 6th and 12th house for physical and mental health issues. sometimes the 1st house can also indicate a physical health issue or damage to the body. uranus and/or mars can indicate sudden deaths or accidents. uranus can also indicate seizures/aneurisms. if mercury is involved, it could be related to a car. pluto transits are major, but can indicate death of a loved one/acquaintance rather than the individual especially if the native is young and healthy. neptune can indicate overdoses/substance abuse related deaths and so can jupiter, but i have found that jupiter more frequently indicates alcohol than drugs. i've noticed the north node in the 8th house in a lot of natal charts for people who die very young. very important to look at which houses/signs the rulers of all the houses i've mentioned are located and any aspects they make. that's the key to determining cause of death, usually. learning health astrology will also help you determine the parts/systems of the body involved in pretty specific detail. you can get pretty accurate when it comes to specific diseases somebody dies of, if they involved the bones or the ovaries or the brain... pluto transits: to natal venus, can mean death of the lover or a woman in your life. to mercury, a sibling. to uranus, a friend. to sun or saturn, the father or grandfather. to moon, the mother or a woman in your life. to jupiter, a grandparent. 8th house prominence in the natal chart can indicate people who work with death as part of their career. scorpios and 8th house people can also benefit from the death in the form of becoming trustees to estates or inheriting money. the ability to communicate with the dead (psychic mediumship) also visible in the natal chart in the form of major aspect patterns that indicate talent involving pluto and/or neptune/uranus or the 8th house and mercury, especially if the sun and/or moon are part of the aspect pattern. natal pluto in 7th house can mean a lot of people the native knows die. natal planets in the 8th house can mean the native is very impacted by the loss of a loved one at some point, as can scorpio.

[@4real277]

Thank you for discussing challenging life topics. This is precisely what astrology is for! To help people face, prepare or atleast look in difficult things of average human life.

[@caur739]

What a beautiful share Chris about your sister and mom ....💛

[@takiyahalexander862]

I'm so sorry for your loss Madeline, I really lms when he pulled up your chart! This is by far one of the most profound podcasts I've seen this year! I really appreciate your cander on such a vulnerable topic💙💙💙

[@jodiearrington]

Such a relevant topic. Thank you Chris and Madeline for bringing light to this really important subject matter with such intelligence and grace. Death follows the absolute experience of life. Just so relevant so thank you so much.

[@kimsastro-healing108]

1:02:27 agreed yes, I feel like support around death and the grief process are hardly understood. It could be quite valuable for those who feel isolated in grief. Thank you both for this topic. I would say the topic of death helped me become an astrologer. It helped me unpack the grief in a symbolic language that many understand. That helped me feel less alone, and now I can help others with this having the experience myself. 🙏 ❤

[@Michelle-cb5jf]

I absolutely loved this convo! I’m a Cap rising too! I’m sorry about your losses and appreciate you sharing your stories! Thank you! Part 2 please!

[@Heykyddo]

Thank you, Madeline, for sharing part of your story and chart. What an intense couple years for you. October 2021 Saturn was opposing your moon, too, along with the first of those eclipses. My heart feels for you through the miscarriages you’ve experienced since then. Your vulnerability is strength. I love cap risings for the cancer 7th- my mars is in your 7th whole sign and opposes a lot of your 12th action and my Saturn opposes your moon. Truly feel for you despite your stoic delivery here. Thanks for another wonderful episode

[@amandavictoria4606]

Might be my favorite episode yet. Thanks for your vulnerability in these teachings. Very memorable and informative 🙏🏽♥️

[@oddanneout]

Thank you, Madeleine for sharing this very tender and thoughtful vulnerability with Chris. Sending loving 🌀 to you, yours and your shared future. ❤

[@becca4412]

This is what I needed. The description of looking for the answers after death is spot on. This helped me look back at the eclipse prior to the loss of my husband years ago and see how all of this created my current career trajectory.❤

[@ErinWaageAstrologer]

This was truly touching. I appreciate Chris sharing his personal experiences. I feel like most people can’t help but be curious about death. As astrologers, it seems even more prominent in curiosities. Thank you, Chris. This was presented in such a perfectly gentle and professional manner.

[@PilferingMagpie]

I too have lost precious people in the past, and Astrology was something that helped me cope with the difficult losses I've had by doing a deep dive. Stoicism also proved helpful and gave me comfort and just feeling stable overall.

[@auau4468]

Thank you so much both of you for such intense and sincere and vulnerable podcast. ❤❤❤

[@LaraNewellBarrette]

Thanks for this courageous and necessary conversation. You both handled it with such grace.

[@carlyhardy3428]

My 5th house, Saturn in Scorpio, resonates with these deep astrological dives into the darker topics of life and looking for them in the chart. Absolutely fascinates me! Sharing vulnerability of your own personal experiences with loss whilst having such a frank, honest conversation about death and loving your fate. Wow! I learnt a lot from this episode. Thanks to both of you 🖤

[@gus1288]

Was just looking for what video of yours to watch next as you posted this. Also glad to see Madeline again, a fellow and cap leo!

[@eagle5109]

I needed this episode at this time~ my sister took her life 10/5/23. thank you

[@oonaghanderson6993]

so sorry.

[@angielamanno7205]

So sorry for this immense loss. Prayers that you will find your way in the confusing, heavy, & chaotic pain.

[@jenniferdougherty8557]

Sending love and healing prayers to you and yours.

[@imalwaysme4332]

I'm so sorry 😢

[@lessandra602]

❤

[@scriptmystic2087]

This is a extremely beautiful, vulnerable and authentic piece of art! Thanks for sharing parts of your self with us. Since I had my saturn return and experiencing more death I've become quite fascinated with how the fate of the stars plays out in the world. And this is a topic I find extremely interesting on many levels. ❤

[@DuncanDonutIdaho]

This was a good and nuanced take on death in astrology. Folks should definitely keep in mind the importance of having multiple astrological testimonies from other techniques when pursuing insight from the traditional life-length techniques. Some events that used to be lethal in ancient times can be survivable in this modern era. It was also good to point out how Jupiter is not necessarily a benefic for those born at night. As a personal example, Jupiter’s ingress into my Pisces Eighth House resulted in the death of an extended family member. Having a Pisces Moon as my Twelfth House ruler in my Eighth House has me dancing with death through life. Like, I even ended up a combat medic in the military like Robert Mitchum who also had a Pisces Moon in his Eighth House. Also, condolences to you Madeline for your losses and thank you for the courage to share the reality of your astrology. It was synchronous for me as I was friends with someone who was also born on March 28th, 1988 and they also faced similar losses and parental complications as Madeline. It’s not easy stuff from what I experienced with them as they went through their events.

[@aliciabushman7806]

I have thought, as an Rn who works primarily with cancer patients that it would benefit many of us to know when our lives will end. The reason being that we live in a world that is both superficial and violent. There are many more mature and older souls among us but not enough to make earth a more functional and compassionate place to live. I heard that there is a technique in Vedic astrology that can do this calculation, but I also understand that it is no longer seen as appropriate and not done.

[@mysterywhispers8972]

This was such an important episode. Thank you Chris and Madeline. I really enjoyed your flow together, and sobering Saturnian conversing, these types of conversations are missing from the astrology community- but you both are right they have to be handled with responsibility and respect and many do not have that capacity. Loss is something that has been a theme in my life, with 12th and 8th house stelliums in my placidus chart. I lost my mother this year the moment Saturn crossed into my whole sign fourth house and squared my moon…

[@blackbutterfly1785]

Extremely curious about this now more than ever. My niece was just brutally removed from this earth yesterday 11/19/23 😢

[@maraudersmap2804]

Same 😢 my brother very suddenly passed last month. I see eclipse, south node and Saturn return all play parts.

[@palden4579]

I am very sorry for your tragic loss! 😔

[@MissJoy16]

I'm so sorry....that is awful. May their memory be for a blessing and may you and your loved ones be able to mourn and process in the ways that are meaningful to you.

[@natashajohnson2258]

🫂🙏🏾✨️🌌

[@BrenBigs]

Sending you hugs 🫂

[@JSBallard]

I’ve been thinking about this a lot since Saturn entered Pisces. In 1994 when Saturn was here last, I lost three close family members. I have a Virgo sun so Saturn was/is opposite, and one of the people I lost had Pisces rising (my brother) and my mother has Pisces on her 5th, so parent losing a child. Pisces is my 12th so I can say that once Saturn moved into my 1st I had definitely gone through a rebirth of sorts, especially regarding my relationship with death and loss. Great episode, thank you for exploring this topic!

[@meganhopexx]

Currently in a complicated grief, and was able to predict it to the day using Astrology. :( This was my for my pet and not a shared prediction. I told my therapist today my next session I want to talk about death because I have trouble working through it so this episode is very timely. My 8th house is Aries Sun and Aries Mercury with a 12th House Leo Jupiter, so I find the difficulty working through death is even more interesting.

[@mlouw8218]

I’m so glad that you guys had this discussion. So far I’m only a little ways in but it’s comforting in a way to have the topic covered. I’ve actually got a stellium in my Capricorn 6th house, and Pluto has been going back and forth over my Saturn/sun/ n node conjunction. On top of that I’ve got a Pisces moon. So far I’m still around, lol, but I have been thinking a lot about Saturn type topics like old age, illness, and death, and experiencing some anxiety and grief over the thought of my aging parents and grandparents, as well as the environment and the planet. I don’t like the thought of all these losses or the inevitability of having to say goodbye. That said, it’s clearly a big part of life, so I’ve just been trying to breath through it and accustom my mind as best I can. I don’t know if this is related to my chart and the long Pluto transit, but I always thought that I would die young (in some sort of accident perhaps) and I find myself kind of surprised to have nearly made it to 33. Admittedly not very old, but not what I expected…

[@maureenbyrne8951]

Thank you Chris and Madeline for this episode and your sensitivity amd empathy, very poignant and open sharing your experiences of loss, truly potemtially healing collective wounds confronting loss, fate and seeing and accepting fate, as well as seeing potential happiness during a dark night of the soul ❤❤

[@helentyetalkin5616]

Beautiful and sensitive discussion. Thank you for allowing us to share the space you have created and held around this important subject.

[@sunnypisces20]

This has to be one of my favorite episodes on this podcast. Thank you so much for sharing, Chris and Madeline. The tact and respect with which you two spoke about death and its role in astrology was wonderful and so insightful. I think death is often too taboo in our society, and being able to talk about it, especially with an astrological lens, is becoming more important than ever. Thank you for giving a voice to this topic, Chris. I cherish this podcast so deeply. It means so much to me.

[@margauxz1]

Chris I really felt the personal touch of how you shared about your sister’s passing. Wanted to share my appreciation for your openness about such a sacred topic - and my condolences.

[@PicnicForOne]

EMPATHY! I am excited to hear that topic discussed!

[@KKSMITH626]

Madeline … wow..my father died last year on March 22, 2022 So sorry for your loss

[@nicole_catari]

THANK YOU. I needed to hear this right now.

[@janetlee4421]

What an interesting and thoughtful episode..My brother died at 27. Both my parents died on March 22, one year apart..and i have Cap rising. ❤ Loved hearing about Matthew Perry's sudden exit. This was helpful, because i have major interest in life after death and communication over the veil! Thanks much, Madeline and Chris. Happy Holidays! ❤❤❤😮😅😊

[@ilovethehowardsternshow5437]

Thank you. I have always wanted to learn about this in astrology ❤

[@dolly5224]

Aside from today's great topic, I feel it important to underline how much I respect how much importance you place on ethics in astrology. This is a critical point to the recovery of astrology in its usefulness to the world, in general, and individuals in particular. Congratulations on the continuing quality and relevance of this podcast. Never stop sharing.

[@teresa3070]

My mom passed as Pluto was square my natal moon in the 10th house. Also, transit moon in the 4th was opposite my natal moon. I had asked an astrologer to look at the date of my Mom's passsing to see what was happening in the sky. As she animated the chart through that day, she stopped it 2 minutes past the time of death and said, "there it is" I had only given her the day, not the time.

[@sn8323]

Same. My mother died when T Pluto was square my Natal Moon.

[@teresa3070]

@@sn8323 I am sorry for your loss. My mom passed in 2017 and I miss her every day. The moon is maternal, yes? And the sun can be father? The Sun entering Sagittarius now, and squaring Saturn has me feeling a bit uneasy. And my own sun is in Sag, too. Somehow, tho, I find comfort in knowing that it is, or was, in the sky.

[@mytravls]

So she “predicted” after your mom died?

[@maggieskip1138]

Madeline, You are so courageous to share your own personal grief, especially the loss of pregnancies. I relate as I had three miscarriages before I gave birth to my child. Sending you love and prayer and belief and hoping / believing that your dreams come true in this part of your life 🦋🙌🏻🫶🏻

[@judemcdougall9504]

Thankyou both so much for this heartfelt episode of sharing personal grief helping us to know that we can truly be okay with being our authentic self; in whatever way grief & sorrow come forward.

[@arikg1893]

Hello Madeline and Chris- Back in 1992 right at the start of my Saturn return in Aquarius- my mother was hit my a car and died. She left behind myself and my 3 younger siblings. I met with my most profoundly insightful astrologer at the time to seek some answers. She pulled up all 5 charts. My Mom and her 4 children. What she noticed was that at the time of her accident all 4 of her children were actually having Pluto aspects which could have resulted in death. Yet my Mothers chart did not. She felt that her intuition had her sacrifice her life for us. My Mother was a Pisces with Moon in Pisces. I never questioned this and makes much sense to me.

[@gillianculff3603]

Wow. That is really something. A great example of how knowing the astrology can be very helpful in one's grieving and meaning-making. Thank you for sharing.

[@HeatherHarmony]

Wow! I really appreciated the vulnerability of both of you. Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom, thoughts and personal stories. I really enjoyed the tender episode, gratitude for both of you.🥰

[@applenewt]

Thank you for this, I needed this with a recent near and dear tragic loss along with the deep concern for what is happening in the world 🙏🏼

[@TheGalacticWitch]

This was a GREAT episode! I wish more astrologers would talk about death... eighth house moon and a million scorpio placements in my 12th house, with a scorpio ascendant....this was right up my alley. I took a death doula course, and there are some great books about becoming a death doula.

[@neptuneenergy123]

Thank you so much for doing this video... I was hoping you would.

[@AP-qc2ll]

The fourth house is critical to the experience of death because this house is the foundation of what we are. This is home not only in terms of a house or family but the home in which the soul resides. This is your body and the foundation of your life here on earth. It is not only the body but the body as your home on earth. Your body is also the summation thus far of your ancestors. The body is simultaneously in need of and affected by the physical home but is also a home that when vacated by the soul equals death of the person's life on earth.

[@rachelwyatt9529]

This discussion was incredible. Thank you so much. I look forward to more conversations on death. I think it is really important and we should not be afraid to talk about it. It is natural.

[@LaLauren80]

Thank you, I so appreciated this talk, and loved you and Madelines unpacking of it x

[@theresaannhannah2346]

Chris ,Madeline, I can't thank you enough for this talk. i have lost so many family and friends through covid or cancer. plus, I am fighting cancer as well. this subject is so dam important. must be talked about in this day and age!! thank you!!

[@MichaelJ671]

Thank you. I wish more astrologers would normalize speaking on this. I understand the uncertainty behind giving an actual date or cause but just general knowledge shouldn’t be so taboo. It’s apart of life.

[@angelam5850]

Yes, exactly!

[@CeclyCorbett]

I aproach warning signs as opportunities. Pisces learn to swim, stay out of dangerous waters, avoid intoxicants, use bug repellant out door, use appropriate masks for the task, use electric rather than gas, understand poisons, greater caution with medication and chemicals etc. Develop a spiritual path. Minimize dangers from birth on.

[@galah771]

Thank you for this very thoughtful conversation. It very much is a thing for astrologers to look at the charts around someone's death. It somehow can feel strangely comforting to see our loss reflected archetypally by the planets.

[@angelam5850]

Brilliant topic!! And beautiful guest, thankyou both🙌❤

[@lovemymoon11]

This was a much needed and appreciated episode. Thank you Chris and Madeline. You were both incredibly thoughtful, tender and compassionate with your approach. And thanks for sharing your stories, as well. As a Saturn ruled chart person with Saturn as my charts final dispositor and a loaded 12th house in which Pluto in Cap is grinding it's last revolutions... I have my stories, too. You two are an inspiration. 💜

[@Suzanne.C]

definitely the most refreshing episode on this channel by now😃

[@mercuryascending1900]

Timely sharing, and am looking forward to listening on Thanksgiving day. It will be the 5th Anniversary of my mother's unexpected passing (at 74). Like last year at this time I was comforted by the Intergenerational Healing Through Astrology podcast on this holiday, which I will spend alone again.

[@angelam5850]

🙌💕💫

[@mercuryascending1900]

@@angelam5850 💚💚💚

[@dionnesimoneissmitten4436]

I'm gonna try to listen as much as possible but my Dad passed on the 18th. I called the time within 10 minutes, usung the Pluto Moon conjunction. Ughhh that Mars cazimi. Looking back at the last breath time, the AC & MC were anaretic & of course Saturn 0.

[@yvonne1602]

Chris and Madeleine - I was touched by your personal stories around death and I'm grateful for your willingness to openly share. I think Saturn ruling both your charts lends strength to endure and shoulder other's grief. I am also Saturn ruled and I would have appreciated knowing at the time that i was going through a personal experience around death (2006-2008) that Saturn transiting the 8th (and natal in 5th) could result in mc. I wouldn’t necessarily have wanted to know way beforehand. But if i had consulted an astrologer or my skills had been better, I could have coped better rather than thinking it was somehow my fault. Thanks for your insights.

[@nickguerrero1709]

Best one, getting to know y’all on a personal level amazing. Thank you for sharing

[@psycatnip]

34:20 interesting conversation about subsumptipn and the 4th house - dying according to ancestral patterns. My dad died when he was 53 years old from a car accident on the same stretch of highway his father died on when he was in his 50s. I don't have the birth time for my dad but there are not really any major transits going on for him in his chart.

[@wulfsorenson8859]

Look at the progressions. I find they are a more accurate indicator of external events

[@nataliedurica3766]

What a fantastic topic! I can not wait to dive into this discussion. Grateful for you both. 💫✨💫

[@BlueDusk95]

There's also Québec singer songwriter Karl Tremblay who passed away a few days ago. Born and dead in the Scorpio season, died from a prostate cancer at 47. He's missed in all the francophone world.

[@s.d.crockett486]

Pluto opposite my Saturn in cancer exact when my dad died. Pluto was on his ascendent exactly opposite his natal Pluto.

[@stephanie11011]

a topic ive long awaited for

[@taylorsmall2280]

Connection of Part of Fortune, Ceres , Venus and Mercury are significant in the “passing over” charts timed of my loved ones I studied.

[@janestanton9422]

Thank you both for this needed topic discussion. I look forward to perhaps part two. 🤗

[@autumnrosenberg5192]

Thank you Chris. My dad died a few days after the solar eclipse in my 4H. He was diagnosed with cancer the day Venus stationed retrograde in Leo and I thought that he would pass on the next solar eclipse in Libra. I thought it would bring me out of my 3H profection and into the 4H. My home life looks super different now.

[@LaDeeDah]

Thank upu for sharing your personal story and thank you chris for covering this ❤

[@annabannanie]

This is such a great time for you to discuss this topic because I just put something together in my astrology chart that has to do possible future circumstances. My dad died when I was 15, on July 18 1996. It was sudden and on a day that Saturn was going retrograde between Pisces and Aries. My sun is in Pisces & my moon in Aries. Saturn was retrograde when I was born. Saturn and Jupiter are both in my 4th house with Pluto. This Saturn placement will happen again on July 13, 2025. I think you are so right about using grief as a means to see how it can be beneficial or a gift of sorts, but I've definitely bounced between that, anger & sadness about it through different stages of my life since then. Thanks for this insight!!

[@alicianicole4634]

This makes me think of the eclipse episodes as well and the very recent passing of Rosalynn Carter. This last Scorpio/Taurus eclipse happened right on her Moon and MC/IC.

[@Lisa-dy1fr]

As an 8th house Moon/2nd house lord native, this topic & discussion is so intriguing.

[@barbosberg]

My Mom passed away peacefully yesterday after 93yrs of living here on Earth with a Stellium Taurus. Today I was wondering is there also a death chart?

[@ShirleyMalia]

I have wondered this too for a very long time

[@croissant2024]

Yes.

[@raintuition7663]

You can look at the death chart separately as it’s own chart but most of the time I think most of us focus on transits to the natal birth at the time of death. I hope that helps

[@quamcake]

I love the honeycomb calendars!! Highly recommend😊 Great talk-thanks to both of you for opening up on your experiences. ❤

[@kyraayls]

+1 for the Stoic historical context episode!

[@wulfsorenson8859]

Interesting what you said about ancestry. I started a serious practice of ancestral veneration while Saturn which rules my 4th house transited over my natal Capricorn IC.

[@Tina-wq1zf]

Deep appreciation of the topic of this discussion. Lost my Dad unexpectedly and premature on 07/31/23, 12 days before my birthday. I discovered your channel at this time of Venus in Leo ♌️ and the whole Barbie thing. Thank you, kindly 🎉

[@MissKeyPiskey]

It was most interesting listening to you both discussing death. A very tender conversation about your loved ones who passed, thank you for sharing and my deepest condolences. Feeling a resonance with Madeline talking about her father, as I feel I've had to parent my father at times, and it's a difficult emotion to process. I wanted to ask if there is a common astrological pattern with charts of people choose to die (self-inflicted death) that you or anyone reading this comment may have observed. I understand transiting planets, and Mars/8th house, but it'd be great if someone could come in with their thoughts. I guess that addiction often leads to self-destruction so it might be hard to really point to actual suicide in a chart.

[@jennysrp]

Thank you for this thoughtful, personal and vulnerable conversation ❤ I appreciate both of you so much

[@melindareavell9357]

Really interesting episode, thank you for your vulnerability and tackling a tough topic. Curious about death and 8th house perfection years, I know loss in the 12th was spoken about but any other discussions about 8th house perfection years would be very appreciated!

[@jenniferbell5512]

What I found the most mind blowing about Matthew Perry is he was in a profection year 7, so Saturn was his time lord and that eclipse that happened a couple hours before his death, occurred a degree or two from his natal Saturn. Also, if I remember correctly his progressed ascendant was conjunct his natal Pluto. My father passed away in 2017. I just looked up eclipses for that year and two days before he passed there was a lunar eclipse conjunct his natal Saturn. The interesting part is the moon was his time lord, and he died two days after the lunar eclipse🤯

[@jenniferbell5512]

@@oneirologic4462 Interesting, can you send me your date and time and I can look more into that, there maybe some slight differences. My sister has something similar with Saturn as her time lord, progressed ascendant on her Natal Pluto with transiting Saturn in her 8th. She just won’t have the eclipse hitting her Saturn. She was born a year after Matthew, and has the same house system as him. Feel free to send me your info and I can check it out.

[@wulfsorenson8859]

The progressed ascendant to Pluto was the real death/transiton indicator here. Progressions seem more accurate when it comes to external events. Planetary transits can often have a more subjective background influence unless the pass over a natal angle.

[@SonicboominOnEm]

@2:02:07 I wish you had prefaced the beginning of this episode with this because I came for the action and only got this segment. I understand your point. Can we put that up front for the hardcore people in the group unfazed by the shadowy side of things? I’m all for watching the show and learning but I’d like to know if the action is gonna be delayed until the end though and/or if it’s not going to be implemented for one reason or the other.

[@mollyw1026]

Thank you for such a poignant and informative conversation

[@SonicboominOnEm]

@1:54:30 Exactly. Literally transmute the adversity to an advantage. I think it was a gift to be in the military. I’m not encumbered by the dark side of human nature. You realize people can be monsters and you either learn how to fight these monsters by hardening your emotional state or you become a victim to one. I chose a long time ago to avoid the victim olympics. I think everyone is capable of finding their inner dragon. It only takes being subjected to conditioning and being tested by having what you love and or what you care about being used as the leverage. You will either perform or you will perish.

[@mlouw8218]

Just finished watching. Thank you both so much! I really enjoyed seeing Madeline again so soon. I’m grateful to both of you for discussing your personal experiences with loss, which I know can sometimes be difficult to do in a public space. I was really touched 🖤 As a fellow Saturnian person I look forward to future grim conversations. Also, more trivially, I think it’s kind of funny that to watch this episode, I took a break from the murder mysteries I’ve been listening to on audio. With Saturn in my moon sign and Pluto on my sun, this seems like a tamer but extremely apt manifestation of the transits 😆👌

[@imanthealchemist9071]

OBSESSED with this topic with Venus + Mercury in my 8th house --mazing--thank you