"It's Completely Illogical To Be An Atheist!" | The Atheist Experience: Throwback

[@yvesgonin1958]

If God exist, he is doing such a bad job

[@moon_wobble7782]

The all powerful, all knowing being, lets people of all faiths, and interpretations of those faiths, speak on his behalf. Even the a-holes who spew hatred, without lifting a finger to say “no way, dude”

[@r.o.1330]

.....total fail.

[@aubreyleonae4108]

He'd a been fired from a government job.

[@lukmaes6290]

Indeed, been a paediatric oncologist for 35 yrs and seeing kids die of cancer .......

[@steveyuhas9278]

At the very least, he's really letting his followers embarrass themselves. Maybe there's actually an asshole trickster god who doesn't want us to know and spends all day recruiting and then setting his followers up to be absolutely embarrassed. That's about the only case I would even begin to consider after hearing Josh speak.

[@smoldragon339]

It's so depressing how many people can't/won't understand that "I don't believe that" is NOT the same thing as "I believe the opposite of that"

[@RazzyRazzam]

Why is this so hard for theists to understand: Default position is to not believe in anything until sufficient evidence warrants belief.

[@Jcs57]

I would be curious to see his evidence that all the gods he does not believe in don’t exist. They never follow their own reasoning to the eventual conclusions.

[@stephenholmgren405]

Religious indoctrination is very effective

[@RazzyRazzam]

@@Jcs57 let me guess. "The bible says its god is the only true god". boom🙃

[@MarkoVukovic0]

They can't understand because they are brainwashed and blinkered. They have been conditioned since birth to blind faith over logic and reason.

[@Woreyel]

Is that absolutely true?? If yes, where do you get absolute truth from in your worldview?

[@MooseMaunu]

"Josh" didn't call to have a conversation. "Josh" didn't call to listen. "Josh" came to preach...which was a mistake and why he lost.

[@amtlpaul]

Anyone wishing to make a reasonable case that it is irrational to not believe in any deity (whether you call it God, G-D, Allah, Krishna, etc etc) must prove the existence of said deity beyond a reasonable doubt.

[@jerrycallender-qm7zr]

I'm with you.

[@kohnfutner9637]

Must one prove Truth exist?

[@dawkins5824]

You haven't proved your chemical oblivion. You throw away a reasonable explanation for accidental lunacy!

[@dawkins5824]

33 likes. 33 atheist buffoons.

[@albaniahenry-franklin2829]

​@@georgeaguilar6996Absolutely no evidence....the kind sufficient to substantiate all of the assertions and claims about the deity/deities of choice.... provided to the "NOT wicked" aka "Saved True Believers" either🤣🤣

[@Don-ii4vm]

You cant use facts and logic to change someones opinion if they didnt use facts and logic to form that opinion.

[@EchoChamberDweller]

By using that fictional illogic, I would conclude that I can’t convince you that your statement was self-referential and therefore fictional and illogical because of how it’s fictional and illogical.

[@djehutisundaka7998]

However, if they thought that they had facts and logic to have formed their opinion, you can present them with information that shows that they didn't.

[@EchoChamberDweller]

@@djehutisundaka7998 Not effectively, because, even when “facts” change over, and over, and over again as our understanding of the world grows and changes, we can’t convince them that what they see as ‘facts’ are actually well-formed conclusory opinions about tangible evidence. We call these well formed opinions science, and it is an effective way of understanding how the world around us works. What we determine to be true or false doesn’t automatically have any relevance to the truth. You can come up with something that is true even if your knowledge is based on a lie. Unfortunately, some people try to unscientifically appropriate what they have determined to be true to make vast assumptions and generalizations about truth itself. When societal convention dictates what is true is the truth, we get dogma. And that’s how we got The Atheist Experience

[@samtorres9949]

​@djehutisundaka7998 Which they would completely ignore because...."faith"

[@samtorres9949]

​@@EchoChamberDwellerAnd here's one of those illogical fact deficient sheep now.

[@Wilhelm-100TheTechnoAdmiral]

2,000 years and Christians have no new arguments

[@mikedonoghues4018]

I had a 17 minute flashback to college debate club. It was depressing then, and it’s depressing now.

[@anthonycraig274]

I find it absolutely astonishing that Christians (not limited to) phones up with the same basic questions and the belief they have the ultimate rebuttals, they never do. It just a matter of time the team gives them.

[@Mr_Porter]

I swear, callers like this are the most painful to listen to because they always seem to have their goalposts on wheels. They try their best to grasp for straws when cornered or they constantly deflect to avoid conceding a point. I will listen to the 'Kindergarten Christians' who present the most basic (and easily refutable) arguments all day long but the... let's call them "Dunning-Kruger callers" annoy the shit out of me.

[@Satans_lil_helper]

💯

[@JBee887]

Nothing is as painful as Darth Dawkins a.k.a Gary milne

[@tpseeker3367]

Otangelo @@JBee887 ?? Sorry couldn't resist

[@SnottyKitty]

@@tpseeker3367 Otangelo is the worst!

[@JBee887]

@@tpseeker3367 there's someone worse than Gary? Oh my

[@joshcapshaw266]

Absence of intelligence in this particular Josh, does not mean there is an abscence of intelligence in all other Josh's.

[@dylanjones268]

Josh is indoctrinated, you can tell because he refuses to doubt and only wants to win. It can be frustrating to deal with a person like that but by insulting them, it actually has a negative impact. Since the whole purpose of this show is to shed some light for those who would otherwise never get to even have a hint of it, insulting them just reinforces the idea that Atheists are just demons trying to engulf the world in wickedness. I understand the frustration with this type of believer but if you can rise above that nastiness, it might make this whole movement much faster. Not all believers are stupid or choosing to ignore things so that they can remain believers.. a good majority of them are just lacking the knowledge needed to properly fight against this sort of ignorance. Fight the subject, not the one talking about it.

[@Adult_Content_2018]

Do you mean that naming something Josh automatically makes something stupid is a stupid thing to say? If so then that's correct, but I do have this joke where I pretend to think that naming something or someone Alex gives that thing divine power and makes it basically a parody of Jesus (this is related to the fact that Alex is a fairly popular name in fictional stories, and I used to have a character named Alex that was basically supposed to save the universe or something). I haven't done jokes like that a lot recently, but I might bring jokes about giving something or someone specific names gives them specific traits back.

[@Ghalaghor_McAllistor]

We reject this Josh from the council of Josh's. He won't be allowed to participate in any future Josh fights.

[@louistournas120]

​@@dylanjones268 The probability of a theist changing their minds are pretty slim. I have probably talked to over 300 theists, mostly christian, over the years. The goal is not to educate them or change their mind. I do it bc it is something that I enjoy. They never ask me how lightning works, They ask me how abiogenesis works. I tell them we don't know and when there is a gap in our knowledge, feel free to insert god, because that is the purpose of god. Or wait until a scientific answer develops. It is a very popular question with theists. How did it go from non-life to life? How did this universe come with these physical laws? They simply don't understand the scientific process of discovery.

[@guytheincognito4186]

​@@Adult_Content_2018 I do a similar thing with Steve. Was there ever a historical Steve in staten Island" asked 200+ years in the future. Yoshua_Joshua is equivalently mundane then and there as Steve is to the modern age. Even that list the Roman captain had over crucifixion had joshua Plural on it. Not some later Roman rebranding. 😂

[@sanjeevgig8918]

Xtians: EVERYTHING and EVERYONE needs a "creator" Xtians: EXCEPT, our personal invisible sky daddy is MAGICALLY EXEMPT from the laws of Physics or Chemistry or Biology. He can do MAGIC TRICKS. . LOLZ

[@louistournas120]

In other words, nature has created some infinitely complex machine called a god. If they were to claim that this guy over time, was formed and over time, developed itself, learned new things. That would make more sense.

[@neicu34]

@@louistournas120 Well, they think that there was no nature to create him, as nothing existed before god did, according to them.

[@kriss3d]

"Something can't come from nothing" well except when God does it then it's fine because magic.. Yeah.

[@MMG-q1v]

Why is that so hard for some people to understand?

[@louistournas120]

@@neicu34 I get that impression. Christians seem to think that initially, there was the j god. There was no nature, there was no universe, there was no laws of physics. Now that would be a strange world. It is a world without a world! The j god exists in nothingness. How can something exist in nothingness? What was this guy doing for an infinite amount of time? The christian responds with “there was no passage of time”. If there is no time, he would be frozen, unable to think, unable to do anything.

[@dv8754]

I hope Josh is still embarrassed by this call

[@beefusdoesstuff5194]

I like when he goes into his "physical constants" script and includes the "even atheists agree" part.

[@AmericaTheSimpleMinded]

So according to caller it’s “illogical” to not believe whatever you’re told? Even when they admit they can’t prove it and it CAN NOT be proven? I’d believe in any god if it’s demonstrated. Not a second before. Caller knows he can’t demonstrate his god, so insists it must be believed by default. Literally anyone can claim any “god” and he’d have to accept it to be consistent. But we all know he’s got one he’s attached to.

[@RobertCampsall]

"Quit trying to make me go off my script" - Josh

[@brucebaker810]

I find the cupboard not guilty of containing a cookie.

[@Valicroix]

The Negative Evidence Principle: 1. Have you searched diligently for evidence of the claim? 2. Have you found any evidence for the claim? 3. Should you have found evidence for the claim? If the answers are 1 = Yes, 2 = No and 3 = Yes then it is reasonable to conclude that the claim is false. This is one of argument that has been used against Mormonism.

[@louistournas120]

Well, the evidence against mormonism is extensive. The j people were not sea ferrying people. They are not known as a sea ferrying people. The vikings were sea ferring people. That is how they reached various parts of Europe, that is how they reached Iceland, that is how they reached Greenland and the evidence shows they reached New Foundland, Baffin Island, Labrador. There is no evidence of hebrews in the USA. Europeans weren’t sure who the native americans were. There were various concepts, such as another creation from the j god, a 4 th kid from Noah that survived and came to the Americas. The whites were from Shem I think, the asians were from Japheth I think. The blacks were from Ham (Curse of ham). We have to keep in mind that europeans were racist and that such concepts made it into morminism via Joseph Smith. Modern science solved this questions. Native americans are definitely not from the middle east.

[@wizardsuth]

It's also a good argument against the story of Exodus. Had the Hebrews been enslaved en masse in Egypt for centuries, we would expect to find evidence such as bodies, fire pits, trash heaps, clothing, pottery, etc. but we don't.

[@Valicroix]

@@wizardsuth Excellent Point.

[@seekeroftruth6728]

​@@louistournas120 *sea FARING Just FYI.

[@wizardsuth]

Ah, yes, the Argument from Ignorance fallacy, which can be summarized as "No one knows X, therefore I know X."

[@gknight4719]

YES, that's how religion works

[@dx1450]

"We don't know X, therefore God."

[@gknight4719]

@@dx1450 Why do many humans do this, is it because they fear death or are just greedy for a theme park in the sky? (heaven) run by a psychopathic god??

[@Chocomunchie]

It's the good ol' God-of-the-Gaps argument. "No information available? God done it." It's okay to just say "we don't know" sometimes, which is something they just don't get. It's a safer alternative than "a very specific god did it".

[@gknight4719]

@@Chocomunchie I guess many humans fear death or the unknown, so its very comforting to have a loving father (god) to care for you. But the one in the bible is clearly not THAT, it will put you in hell if you do not kiss its ass.

[@platinumnitrocharge4218]

"many criminologists will tell you this" coming from someone who sounds like a teenager is absolutely hilarious.

[@jjevans1693]

😅😅 Yeah, it's logical to believe that legions of invisible supernatural beings exist.

[@Kimjong-Atheism]

Many people believe in the supernatural like atheists that believe the origins of Life came into existence without creation, without God believe in the supernatural. Obviously the natural process as we know it is life comes from life, Life comes from an intelligent source it doesn't pop into existence because of a non intelligent occurrence, that would be considered the supernatural. Atheist at least the one's in the west compared to non atheist overwhelmingly believe that people can be born with a supernatural brain that doesn't match their body. How to fix a bleed this so much that they would have their childrens body parts mutilated and give them all kinds of hormone blockers .

[@defenestratefalsehoods]

If there is a cookie and you dont believe them, ask to see the cookie to prove it is there. With religion, No one has been able to show the cookie.

[@garybaltiejus7248]

Is the cookie monster god 😂😂😂😂

[@defenestratefalsehoods]

@garybaltiejus7248 I have seen the cookie monster on sesame street, but no god has ever shown itself.

[@freakishuproar1168]

I like the implication that god is hiding in the pantry, and that I could eat him.

[@satyasyasatyasya5746]

*It is illogical to add upon our understanding of anything, needless assumptions.* Especially assumptions of magic men in the sky.

[@Kimjong-Atheism]

You mean like a child going to a magic show and watches the magician close the curtain and say abracadabra and then a woman appears he assumes the woman popped into existence. The explanation closest to magic I've ever heard was when atheists Richard Dawkins said everything came into existence from nothingness no air, no space nothingness. Of course there's no such thing as nothingness and let's not forget that goes against the first law of thermodynamics. This is why I came to the conclusion Richard Dawkins must have made a bet with his friends that he can get atheist to call him a genius no matter what claims to magic he makes. And if this is the case he won that bet because countless atheists on the threads were calling him a genius when he said everything came from nothingness

[@jonclark8252]

@kelvintonblortsmon2457 “You either have a good argument/explanation or you don't and you don't. Prove me wrong?" It's telling that you don't mention evidence. Given that you have neither the evidence nor the logic it's no wonder you keep using logical fallacies. By your standard you are a purple space penguin. This is proven because all purple space penguins lie about what they know and are incapable of being logical. Since you always lie about what you know and are incapable of being logical, you therefore are a Purple Space Penguin unless and until you prove otherwise because both my argument and explanation are irrefutable.

[@Kimjong-Atheism]

@@unknown5150variable if you're asking me whether or not do I think people believe me when I said Richard Dawkins argued the universe came from nothingness, I would have to say that many people already understood that Richard Dawkins made this claim.. and other people like quecee has a disbelief that Richard Dawkins said the universe came from literally nothing even though I've proven it to him countless times. This is the problem with having a disbelief even if something is proven by the scientific method somebody with a disbelief still wouldn't be able or willing to accept it. Now that I supplied a quote from Richard Dawkins himself saying that he believes the universe literally came from nothing, correction he said it's a fact. Do you not believe that he said it or do you still have a disbelief that he said it.

[@paulgemme6056]

@@unknown5150variable How long do you think it would take for a tree to become a guitar? Without a designer and a builder/maker, it will never happen. Let the scientist figure that one out. God's wisdom is so much higher than what is in finite man's little pea brain.

[@seanmcghee2373]

I would dearly love to watch Spock answer some of these questions.

[@HatstandTuesday]

The fine tuning argument is one of the dumbest ever. There is absolutely no evidence that any of the universal constants could be anything other than what they are. They aren't variables. They are constants. Nothing is needed to explain them. They are merely emergent properties of the universe. It is also a great example of the puddle argument. If they were different, we wouldn't know. Either life wouldn't exist, or life would exist differently to how it exists now, but we would be unaware of the difference since it would be normal to us.

[@vertigo4236]

They allways ignore, that life evolved to the circumstances around them. Put a dolphin on land and see what happens. Please don't do this.

[@StripesChaosGremlin]

Whenever I hear some version of the fine tuning argument I always think, 'If the rules for everything was slightly different when everything started (regardless of how it started cause that a whole other argument) we would have a different universe.' Just like who a hole wasn't made to fit the puddle of water thing.

[@newnameish]

There is life on Earth and there is water to sustain it…it’s a miracle! No there is life on Earth BECAUSE there is water to sustain it.

[@scipioafricanus5871]

@@vertigo4236 It's called Sea World and it ain't right.

[@paulgemme6056]

@@vertigo4236 Look out your window and you will see evidence that God exists because nothing that was made could come from nothing. That's absurd!

[@Ghalaghor_McAllistor]

When I told a group of kids that I'm an atheist after they asked me about my beliefs, they asked me what that is. I said, someone who doesn't believe in god. Was told by the teacher to keep talk like that private.

[@TheistsTapOut]

I guess it's separation of non-church and government? Just be happy that she didn't force you to drink hemlock.

[@Ghalaghor_McAllistor]

@@TheistsTapOut Funny thing is that the children were talking about Islam in an inclusive school, but only I was told to keep my beliefs for myself.

[@Seticzech]

@@Ghalaghor_McAllistor I would tell something to that teacher.

[@TheistsTapOut]

@@Ghalaghor_McAllistor Those kids should be glad that they didn't make fun of your bald head (or whatever thing that they could have made fun of).

[@Ghalaghor_McAllistor]

@@Seticzech I'm not the wittiest person and didn't know what to say at the moment so I just kept my mouth shut.

[@brianmonks8657]

"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" is one of the most annoying trite false statements people mindlessly quote. This is only true for an unfalsifiable claim, which is a useless claim anyway. People hiding their imaginary beliefs behind the shield of unfasifiability and pretending that it somehow makes them possible is really pathetic.

[@felix.a.m]

Ofcourse for them that argument doesn’t apply to anything else

[@Kimjong-Atheism]

You mean like atheists do with the hypothesis of abiiogenesis. What makes it even more interesting even if it was falsifiable it has nothing to do with the atheist faith-based in the supernatural aka the idea of the origins of Life came come into existence without creation, without God. I'm willing and able to believe it's true that the origins of life came into existence without creation, without God but nobody has been able to provide any convincing evidence. So why should I go for my life believing that the origins of Life can come into existence without creation, without God if there's no evidence to suggest that's possible let alone true. Also let's not forget the fact even if God was proven by the scientific method an atheist still wouldn't accept God. Atheist like the default position of atheism but they don't like the reason why atheism is a default position so they pretend like atheism is whatever they say it is and yet they still have the default position no matter what they say it is..

[@TheistsTapOut]

NEPy: Claims that god is falsifiable. Also NEPy: Doesn't provide the falsifiability criteria for an invisible, undetectable deity.

[@skindred1888]

This is...a mess of words. Kinda dumb aswell. What does abiogenesis have to do with the god claim ? Weird. You're doing the exact same thing buddy😂 ​@@Kimjong-Atheism

[@TheistsTapOut]

@@skindred1888 These guys believe in the supernatural prayers and their supernatural Bible and their supernatural trinity and etc, etc. But they think that the idea that life arose naturalistically from abiotic precursors count as "supernatural".😂😂 We know that earth had no life in the distant past. We now have life. Abiogenesis is a fact. Of ALL the scientific research into the possible mechanisms of abiogenesis, NONE says, "goddunit". I guarantee it.

[@jjpopnfresh6822]

These style of callers are the why they added the mute button

[@quotedotes]

Callers that can't seem to find their mouth's off switch.

[@einienj3281]

Definitely 😁

[@sanjeevgig8918]

Presup: The last stop of dead-beat apologists. When they get tired of being crushed on their Kalam argument, the Moral argument, the Something-cannot-come-from-nothing etc . LOLZ

[@sanjeevgig8918]

@kelvintonblortsmon2457 Kalam is LONG arse special pleading. Kalam does NOT mention god. You. So. Dumb. LOLZ

[@TheistsTapOut]

@@sanjeevgig8918 Kalam is crushed every single day. It falls at P1, which is a black swan fallacy as well as a category error. Just because at the macro level we see things begin to exist because of some other thing, we have NO idea that EVERYTHING in the universe had a cause. We have NO idea if there was a causal initiator for the Big Bang. And then of course, there's no god in the Kalam in the conclusion. Just something. What a dumb, dumb argument.

[@quotedotes]

⁠@kelvintonblortsmon2457the universe doesn't necessarily need to have a beginning, in order to exist. There's no good evidence to the contrary, either. You may leave to go read your little bible more now.

[@t800fantasm2]

@kelvintonblortsmon2457 "Oh? You can CRUSH the Kalem, " Show us where it SPECIFICALLY SAYS God.... Ooops CRUSHED!

[@vladtheemailer3223]

​@kelvintonblortsmon2457 I would laugh at you, but mental illness is not funny.

[@einienj3281]

"I don't believe there's a cookie in the cabinet".. ok, let's go look if there's a cookie in the cabinet. Very easy. Now show me god.

[@MarkoVukovic0]

I was shouting this at my TV. "We can just go and look for the cookie in the cupboard!" 🤣

[@einienj3281]

@@MarkoVukovic0 Exactly!! 😄😄

[@paulgemme6056]

@@MarkoVukovic0 Look out your window and you will see evidence that God exists because nothing that was made could come from nothing. That's absurd!

[@MarkoVukovic0]

​@@paulgemme6056 nature is not evidence of God in any way. No scientist makes the claim that matter comes from nothing. You believers will claim that God made everything from nothing and that there was nothing before God. You are absurd.

[@paulgemme6056]

@@MarkoVukovic0 God/Jesus Christ/Holy Spirit is eternal. Where God is time doesn't exist. Try putting a piece of wood in the shed and wait and see how long it takes to become a guitar. It will not happen. Why? Because it takes a designer and a builder/maker. Evil/sin run rampant. the days are evil. Where do you believe evil/sin comes from. When God/Christ Jesus made everything, it was all good.

[@Rage867]

Nobody has provided evidence that fairies don't exist... just saying

[@arthurunknown8972]

Classic when your answer will destroy your claim, ignore question or redefine question.

[@KGP221]

To assert that the universe is fine tuned based on the premise that a change of one constant would change how the universe evolved is a logical fallacy. For my birth to occur my biological parents are a constant. If they were anyone else, I wouldn't be me, I would be someone else entirely. If I had never been born, the universe wouldn't be any more or less fine tuned than the one I exist in now, It would have evolved in one of an infinite possible range of ways.

[@TheistsTapOut]

Not just that, the point that you were conceived would have to have been EXACTLY right. Of the millions of sperm cells, the one that resulted in you would have had to been "fine tuned" to get to the egg first. Anything else and you would have been a different person.

[@KGP221]

@@TheistsTapOutAnd when we include in that premise any possible change anywhere in the universe, the universe would be fine tuned by default just because it turned out to be this way rather than that way. In other words, a claim could be made for a fine tuned universe with or without me, yet no evidence is present to support this claim.

[@t800fantasm2]

In some ways we are proof that the universe is not fine tuned as most of it, including large areas of our home planet are deadly to us....

[@paulgemme6056]

@@TheistsTapOut How long do you think it would take for a tree to become a guitar? Without a designer and a builder/maker, it will never happen. Let the scientist figure that one out. God's wisdom is so much higher than what is in finite man's little pea brain.

[@TheistsTapOut]

@paulgemme6056 How long will it take god to take quarks and put them together to create a star that will fuse and create iron? What's your point? That you have evidence that this universe was created and it happens to have been created by the god in your story book? What is the chance of the universe having been created by your version of a god? And what does the fact that a human happened to have created a guitar have anything to do with the origin of the universe? Does the fact that you pooped out your dinner mean that your god pooped out the universe?

[@exiled_londoner]

Yet another example of why it's so hard to have a rational and sensible debate, using logic and evidence to make your points, with people who don't know what rationality is and who have little or no idea of the concepts of logic or evidence.

[@48mastadon]

The caller needs to learn how to listen with his ears and not his mouth.

[@shrews12001]

Logic and theism don't belong in the same sentence.

[@EchoChamberDweller]

Future you, reading your own sentence: Whoops 🤦‍♂️

[@Seticzech]

@@EchoChamberDweller Nope.

[@EchoChamberDweller]

@@Seticzech you’re a bot?

[@quentind1924]

@@EchoChamberDweller He isn't (and me niether because you might be tempted to say that about me)

[@EchoChamberDweller]

@@quentind1924 No, you actually respond to things that are said in a coherent manner. Other goes all “quote and platitudinous disagreement” format. Not a bot, but doesn’t often pass the touring test.

[@okiepita50t-town28]

Tide goes in tide goes out is one of the dumbest things Bill O’reilly ever said.

[@TheistsTapOut]

Technically, it's true. Some say, the best kind of truth.

[@garybaltiejus7248]

It is intelligent sometimes to say " i dont know" as opposed to blindly believing as theists do, there is a reason why pastors refer to the congregation as "sheep'

[@lightatthecape2009]

@@garybaltiejus7248 The only people claiming theists believe blindly are those with an amtireligious agenda.

[@lightatthecape2009]

@@garybaltiejus7248 yes indeed...he understands metaphor and symbol---'you clearly do not.

[@Midnight.Wisdom.]

I do enjoy the whole "everything that exists had a beginning, therefor needs something to cause it" argument.. All the while being unaware of the fact that the laws of cause and effect (and indeed all natural laws) do not apply on the quantum level.. Like the sigularity.. Which would mean there is no reason to assume the sigularity MUST necessarily require an external energy source or force in order to change states..

[@69eddieD]

@@DJ-Synth-On-Fire BJ requires a beejer....

[@joshsheridan9511]

​​@@DJ-Synth-On-Firecommon sense, logic and reality are beyond your megre intellect.

[@joshsheridan9511]

​@@DJ-Synth-On-Fireyou deserve no respect

[@Beacon80]

​@@DJ-Synth-On-Firecommon sense, sound logic, and reality tell us that there is no evidence that the universe is a creation, and that emergent properties emerge gradually.

[@amtlpaul]

​@FloridaBJJKickboxing Common sense and logic tell us that analogies can only be taken so far. From the fact that buildings are built (usually not by a single builder) and paintings are painted (usually by a single painter), it does not follow that the Earth was built by Slartibartfast or someone like him.

[@BigSlimyBlob]

It's weird how so many people don't understand the three tiers of belief. You can believe a thing is true, you can not believe a thing is true, or you can believe a thing is untrue. Guilty, not guilty, innocent. You need proof (or at least reasonable evidence) for "guilty" or "innocent", but you don't need it for "not guilty".

[@the-outsider8458]

Most people have difficulty with or have never been presented with the idea of propositions. Propositions can be accepted or not. There isn't even the 3rd option. Proposition: god exists. Accept it, or don't. People the world over equate not accepting it with asserting the completely separate proposition that god does not exist. If that relatively simple hurdle can't be cleared, continuing on to more complex concepts is an exercise in futility.

[@joecoolioness6399]

I kinda get what you are trying to say, in a court of law someone can be found guilty because a video shows they did the crime, they can be found not guilty because there isn't enough evidence to convict them, or they can be found not guilty (innocent) because there is a video showing someone else committing the crime. As far as the question about whether or not any god exists, it is a yes or no answer. Now if you proved a god exists then claimed they created the universe, the court room example would come into play.

[@BigSlimyBlob]

@@joecoolioness6399 I would say it comes into play before then. You can be convinced that gods exists (guilty), you can be unconvinced that one exists (not guilty), or you can be convinced that they do not exist (innocent). That's already three different levels, not just two.

[@amtlpaul]

No doubt Mad Jim Castleberry will be along shortly to point out that a cabbage doesn't have beliefs. Therefore, he will suggest, it's stupid to define atheism as not believing in any gods, even the ones called 'God'!

[@guytheincognito4186]

Per the traditional aphorism, "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence", positive evidence of this kind is distinct from a lack of evidence or ignorance of that which should have been found already, had it existed, in this regard Irving Copi writes: " _In some circumstances it can be safely assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of proof of its occurrence as positive proof of its non-occurrence_ ." - Copi, Introduction to Logic(1953), p. 95

[@glenbateman5960]

Not believing in magic is illogical? Okay...

[@rclrd1]

Not believing in magic isn't illogical. True. But then: _believing_ in magic isn't illogical either...

[@mryorkshire3623]

If you accept that the universe must of had a creator, then all this does is beg the question, ''what created the creator '' ?? and on and on it goes ......

[@user-gk9lg5sp4y]

The Universe having a beginning does not prove a god made it begin. It certainly doesn't prove yahweh exists.

[@jszlauko]

Exactly! One could just as well say that universal farting pixies created the universe.

[@jillum89]

“I believe Peter killed John. If Peter didn’t kill John, you go ahead and prove how John died! And even though I have no evidence what so ever that Peter killed John, that does t mean that he didn’t do it. You’re irrational for believing Peter didn’t do it!! Therefore Peter killed John!!!!! I am so smart. S M R T!!!!”

[@valkhorn]

The fine tuning argument is really stupid because we do not know what a universe with other constants would look like as reality would be different anyway. So we really don’t know if a universe could exist with other constants or not: At any rate life is barely hanging on and adapted to a universe that is virtually 100 percent uninhabitable rather than a universe being made just for life. Edit not to mention that life as far as we know didn’t exist for most of the universes existence and life has constantly had to adjust to the environment around it in order to merely survive.

[@smochygrice465]

No it's not illogical for me to be in Atheist, in fact it's logical, why? Because as an atheist I don't have to do boring AF God ritual activities like worship and prayer 😊 And a good Saturday Morning 🌞 AXP Fans and Theists ❤❤❤ Peace Love Empathy From Australia 💪🤠☝️

[@smochygrice465]

​​@@RickLambert963Edit: Thank God for Alan Watts and Atheism 🙏

[@smochygrice465]

​@@RickLambert963Ah good point! Correction: Thank God for Alan Watts and Atheism 🙏

[@quotedotes]

Yes and amen brethren 🤣🙏

[@paulgemme6056]

How long do you think it would take for a tree to become a guitar? Without a designer and a builder/maker, it will never happen. Let the scientist figure that one out. God's wisdom is so much higher than what is in finite man's little pea brain.

[@smochygrice465]

@@paulgemme6056 Don't care mate, God might as well be tits on a bull. Useless. Peace ✌️

[@ryugrieger7244]

Philosophy is Not Reality. That's NOT how Fine-Tuning works.

[@quentind1924]

​@@RickLambert963First we don’t really say there no god, just that there isn’t evidence for god, and so the best position to be (apart from agnosticism) is to consider that there is no god. Also i’ll need your evidence that unicorns doesn’t exists, else considering your standards it’s reasonable to believe in unicorns until we have evidence of their inexistence

[@vladtheemailer3223]

​@@RickLambert963I have the burden of proof.

[@vladtheemailer3223]

​@@RickLambert963I can make those all day long. What if I fail in my burden?

[@TheistsTapOut]

@@vladtheemailer3223 The Ricky Spambot can't even fix its spam to stop using "sui generous" in so many of its spams. So it's a pretty bad spambot.

[@vladtheemailer3223]

@@TheistsTapOut I had assumed it was not smart enough to be a spambot.

[@showbiz3848]

Is completely illogical to believe in fairy tales like the bible.

[@Shytot-1]

Where ignorance is bliss religions thrive.

[@skiphoffenflaven8004]

Who makes these callers? And when will they stop being made?!?! Life would be sooooo much better without their ideas, perspectives, beliefs, and biases. I am biased too, for sure. But damn!!

[@Kimjong-Atheism]

I just wish atheist experience with higher hosts that believe the origins of Life came into existence without creation, without God this way there can be a normal debate. But it's ridiculous because atheism is a disbelief it's an unwillingness or inability to accept God so here you have people the hosts who don't have the willingness or ability to accept God but at the same time they don't actually believe the origins of Life came into existence without God. Doesn't make for a good debate. In defense of the show it's really hard to find anybody who actually believes the origins of Life came into existence without creation, without God because it's so illogical. Quit poor Richard Dawkins did when he came forward and said that he believes everything came from nothingness he became a subject of ridicule.

[@quotedotes]

@@Kimjong-Atheism have you written a book yet? I'm sure that people would love to see more of your *very true* and *definitely* super rational beliefs on paper...well unless that is, if you don't believe in the existence of books, of course. My bad.

[@Kimjong-Atheism]

@@quotedotesI'm glad you brought this up, I might write a book I'm actually doing some research.. This is where you can help me big time, please apply a rational definition for the word female . This will be on the chapter of the faith-based beliefs of atheists If you're unable to supply a rational definition that will also help with the research. This happens to be the case with the vast majority of atheistic humanists , including of atheistic humanist supreme Court Justice Jackson in the United States.

[@paulgemme6056]

@@Kimjong-Atheism How long do you think it would take for a tree to become a guitar? Without a designer and a builder/maker, it will never happen. Let the scientist figure that one out. God's wisdom is so much higher than what is in finite man's little pea brain.

[@joels5150]

Josh is so desperate to talk over and interrupt because he’s not confident he can make in his illogical points.

[@nealjroberts4050]

Remember, if you are Christian and quote John 3 16 enough times that everyone dismisses it as relevant then you're preaching counterproductively. By your own Christian definitions of sin you are unrepentantly sinning by repeating such preaching. (Edit for typos)

[@TheistsTapOut]

We both know that NEPy can only bluster on about "destroying" atheism, but is too afraid to actually talk to an atheist. So sad.

[@quotedotes]

Yup. It's not about actually believing in and following their book. They disregard things from it daily. It's about their own emotions, and feeling like part of their chosen in-group. Aka entirely emotionally-motivated reasoning.

[@Tuna_Man2323]

I'm developing a LibbyBot2000: "Every true believer - those who root themselves deeply in the Faith and the knowledge of Christ and Him crucified and won'tt allow themselves to be uprooted by thorns and thistles creeping in around them - have strong evidence and strong knowledge of God's existence and presence in their lives - no one believes anything without evidence - Just so happens that no one who is blinded by unbelief can see the evidence. So, at the moment, you are simply out of that knowledge or evidence until you decide to put one foot in front of the other and draw near to him for yourself - humbly and sincerely repenting of your mocking and unbelief. Can you do that? Up to you, not me."

[@nealjroberts4050]

@@Tuna_Man2323 It's very close 👍

[@Tuna_Man2323]

@@nealjroberts4050 Lol. Actually, these are her words, verbatim. I used to record her when she was deleting her threads. Unfortunately, it got to be too much work, as I was doing the same thing for Chrissy and Runnie, they were also deleting everything and denying it later on. Same as Bob Garrett and Damonkey, they both accused me of lying when I brought up what they said in 2023. With these trolls, even if you screen shot what they say, they will still deny it.

[@EASYTIGER10]

The first discussion would have been so much simpler if they'd explained what is meant by "belief"

[@einienj3281]

This caller is annoying. Fine tuning isn't real. Humans evolved into this universe, under it's laws. The universe wasn't fine tuned to suit human life.

[@steveOCalley]

Oh yeah? Lou Gehrig died of LOU GEHRIG’s DISEASE! How’s that for fine-tuning?

[@einienj3281]

@@steveOCalley 🤭🤭

[@karlajaeger2082]

"Perhaps, it has no purpose. A clock without a craftsman."

[@jonclark8252]

Any and all theists that claim to have evidence that proves your deity exists, I challenge you to a live one on one debate this Saturday on QC's channel. Any takers?

[@amtlpaul]

Alas, I think people find your tendency to hold people's feet to the fire in live debate, somewhat intimidating.

[@TheistsTapOut]

You are saying that you will be available at a specific venue at a specific time? Then it should be easy for anyone who wants to debate you to contact you. You wouldn't have to call or text them, even if you had their phone number, potentially revealing your own phone number. That seems like the easiest, most convenient method. Surely no one would object to that!

[@jonclark8252]

​@FloridaBJJKickboxing You've been told that I will not call you. You only came up with this demand after you embarrassed yourself the last time you tried to debate on QC's channel and compounded it by lying about what happened. You're still desperately trying to control the narrative. You're still desperately trying to control the situation. Prove me wrong by showing up to the place neither of us moderates. When you're done hiding behind your false bravado, you know know where to meet me.

[@albaniahenry-franklin2829]

​​​@@DJ-Synth-On-FireI read a prophecy that said you would LOSE every single debate you would attempt to engage in on this show! The only TRUE deities Asherah, Dagon, and Marduk said that's precisely why you make excuses and won't call in🤣🤣

[@TheistsTapOut]

BTW, FloJob DID win the poll on my Community page for the most ignorant commenter here. Beat out NEPy, even, which is a STRONG performance.

[@ArenHill]

So...was there a cookie in the pantry?

[@jmorris023]

Shoulda said John Doe killed Buck Naked.

[@brucebaker810]

I've heard that Universe Farting Pixies, after eons of unemployment, have begun pilfering corpses from car trunks.

[@ApatheticFish3667]

I'm starting to wonder if Flojo wants me to unalive myself, because that's what might happen if he doesn't learn to respect my boundaries.

[@nealjroberts4050]

My offer to share emails is still open if you want to chat offline.

[@jonclark8252]

Mine as well

[@ApatheticFish3667]

@@DJ-Synth-On-Fire This place is supposed to be a place where I can be free of harassment I face from religious people, and can forget how much pain it causes me. You and your Christian colleagues are constantly making me feel awful about everything, and it's causing me to have suicidal thoughts. Do you want to give me an early departure to hell? No. It's god's job to convince me, not yours. So stop harassing me.

[@ApatheticFish3667]

@@JimCastleberry I can't just "lose" my disbelief in god. I can't pretend to believe in god when I genuinely don't. I'm happier, smarter, and better this way. And you're part of the reason I'm having suicidal thoughts. So if you actually care, please STOP.

[@t800fantasm2]

@@JimCastleberry "With atheism, you lose no matter what." Hey brain wipe, what do we lose? Seems to me I'm happier than you are.... At least I don't troll the internet like a moron with multiple aliases to hide behind...

[@aaronkuntze7494]

Logic is the first casualty of emotions! Logic is the science of the rules of thinking and reasoning and understanding. Whenever we allow emotions to dictate our decisions we make poor decisions. This is simple human behavior 👏

[@Beacon80]

How long until Jimdith whines about implicit atheism again?

[@amtlpaul]

"A cabbage does not have a belief about God. Therefore, an implicit atheist is a cabbage" 😅

[@nealjroberts4050]

They just whined about 5mins ago!

[@Kimjong-Atheism]

​@@amtlpaulif you replace the brain of somebody who believes in God with a rock and you replace the brain of an atheist with a rock you end up with two atheists. Atheism doesn't require thinking it requires an unwillingness or inability to accept God.

[@Kimjong-Atheism]

Usually The Men who whine are atheistic humanist leftist males. Matter of fact they're always crying to KZbin that I say things that hurt them emotionally. Atheist humanist males these radical leftists are always seeking invisible safe spaces to have a good man cry. I know this one atheists humanist lose a debate they become so emotionally triggered they start straw Manning . They make up an argument for somebody and then they argue against it as if it's that person's position, I don't even think they're doing this on purpose I think they become so emotionally overwhelmed it becomes the only way they can deal.

[@amtlpaul]

An idiotic remark from. @@Kimjong-Atheism. A rock also doesn't believe in Santa Claus. So what?

[@tedgrant2]

I don't believe gnomes care for my garden when I am not looking. I must admit, I have no logical reason or rational justification.

[@petyrkowalski9887]

These theists always come into the call arse about face. Nobody needs to justify lack of belief of a claim. Why cant they understand this?

[@quotedotes]

To answer your question succinctly. Emotionally-motivated reasoning, and childhood indoctrination. That covers the vast majority of cases.

[@quotedotes]

And most of the rest of the outliers are just schizophrenia of some variety, from what I've observed. Religion is very popular with those who have a more tenuous grasp of reality.

[@junodonatus4906]

The tactic they use that irritates me to no end is the...."Then tell me how the universe began," or other variants, "who created everything?" as if this is a mic drop moment for them. I find it unbelievable that they truly think that lack of knowledge immediately defaults to their fairy tale explanation being true.

[@paulgemme6056]

@@junodonatus4906 How long do you think it would take for a tree to become a guitar? Without a designer and a builder/maker, it will never happen. Let the scientist figure that one out. God's wisdom is so much higher than what is in finite man's little pea brain.

[@junodonatus4906]

@@paulgemme6056 We do observe chemical and biological evolution of living things through natural selection. Your analogy therefore, not only invokes special pleading (because your designer doesn't need parents like all designers we know of ) but is also ignorant of science. .

[@Shytot-1]

When asked what evidence they have that god does not exist, atheists should say what evidence is there that fairies do not exist?

[@jszlauko]

Except that atheism is not a position of “god does not exist”, as it is simply “I do not believe god exists because there is a lack of evidence”. Maybe there is a god! But if there is, it has not been proven. THAT is the basic position of atheism.

[@melodygarrison7531]

Josh needs a education

[@t800fantasm2]

@@RickLambert963 Hey imbecile, you keep posting the same thing over and over liked f**king TODDLER Grow the f**k up and stop your infantile nonsense.... I reported each of your SPAM posts as SPAM. WTF is your personal DEFECT!?

[@69eddieD]

@@RickLambert963 LMAO

[@TheistsTapOut]

@kelvintonblortsmon2457 Pssst. Moist rocks or dry dirt doesn't create a human being. Along with Josh, you should also get basic education. Though it takes VERY little education to know that a human being doesn't pop out of dust.

[@quotedotes]

Wish theists wouldn't be quite so quick to realize the utter foolishness they spout (and delete their own comments) quite so quickly...

[@TheistsTapOut]

@kelvintonblortsmon2457 You: Moist rocks don't create a human being, but dry dust will. Also you: "My "education" clearly dwarfs yours and I prove that w/ every comment & post." 😂😂😂 I'm sure everyone here believes you. 😂😂 What makes you even more dumb is that you think you're smart LOL.

[@catkeys6911]

Some people simply can't accept that we *don't know everything* , and have to offer up even an unprovable claim as "proof".

[@quotedotes]

Because they're not actually, really interested in *logical* arguments. Only *emotional* ones. In other words, they *feel* that gawd is real, therefore he has to be, and that they should make up post hoc rationalizations, after the fact, to keep the flock faithful(ly gullible)

[@catkeys6911]

@@quotedotes Basically, they still need their daddys. Their "Father who art in heaven" -HOLLOW be that name.

[@JMPants]

Ah yes, Steven Hawkins, the president of athiests.

[@Seticzech]

So dumb. 🤦

[@quotedotes]

Checkmate, atheist swine 🤪🤣

[@Beacon80]

And this was right after they chewed him out for talking about what someone else believes. I'm surprised they didn't call him on it again.

[@scottlarson1548]

The "Can God create a stone so heavy..." argument is one of my favorites. Some Christians just tell me, "God is capable of all things!" which proves they're unable or unwilling to understand the contradiction.

[@the-outsider8458]

So wrapped up in 'god must exist' he can't even carry on a reasonable honest conversation. One of the main reasons theists the world over are near impossible to talk with.

[@MarkoVukovic0]

This is why people like NDT will never debate a theist. They can never come from a point of logic. It's a pointless and frustrating exercise.

[@paulgemme6056]

@@MarkoVukovic0 How long do you think it would take for a tree to become a guitar? Without a designer and a builder/maker, it will never happen. Let the scientist figure that one out. God's wisdom is so much higher than what is in finite man's little pea brain.

[@MarkoVukovic0]

@@paulgemme6056 ​I'm not sure what analogy you are trying to make with the tree/guitar story you keep repeating. I don't think you even having a clue. Stop making claims about God that you can't back up. Every religion that man has ever dreamt up makes these same bs creator claims. Enough is enough. Thankfully, religion is in decline, just not fast enough.

[@michaeldeboer]

They like to argue fine tuning: fine tuned for what? "If things would be different, the universe would be different" Yeah duh. "The universe would be all catastrophe." Meaning black holes, supernovas, radiation waves, uninhabitable gas giants, asteroid fields and barren moons? We have that. Oh, he's referring to life on Earth, not the universe. He means finely tuned... for us. For life. Specifically human life. Which is preposterous.

[@matthew6427]

Exactly. Even the earth isn't super great at being habitable for humans. We can only survive on a tiny portion of the planet, some of the time.

[@TonyCox1351]

99.999% of the universe is unlivable for humans but it’s “fine tuned” for us

[@Stigtoes]

You can't prove a negative. End of.

[@TheistsTapOut]

Proving a negative can be done, but the method and level of certainty achieved depend on the specific situation. For example, you CAN prove a negative in logic and mathematics. And you can prove a negative by exhaustion. "For example, there's no elephant in my room" can be proven by exhaustively searching my room. And it also depends on what you mean by proof as you can't give an absolute proof of most things. You can't prove that the sun will come up tomorrow, despite what Annie says.

[@Tumbledweeb]

Corpse-removing pixies! *cackles*

[@sanjeevgig8918]

What is your EVIDENCE of the existence of god ? Xtians: Our old book says so. . LOLZ

[@Ghalaghor_McAllistor]

And of course all other old books doing the same are wrong for some reason, even if they are older than the bible.

[@jonclark8252]

@kelvintonblortsmon2457 “You either have a good argument/explanation or you don't and you don't. Prove me wrong?" It's telling that you don't mention evidence. Given that you have neither the evidence nor the logic it's no wonder you keep using logical fallacies. By your standard you are a purple space penguin. This is proven because all purple space penguins lie about what they know and are incapable of being logical. Since you always lie about what you know and are incapable of being logical, you therefore are a Purple Space Penguin unless and until you prove otherwise because both my argument and explanation are irrefutable.

[@FunambuleUnijambiste]

It's completely logic to be an atheist. Being an atheist is the most logical, lucid and rational thing that exists. Being a theist and believing blindly without any proofs in an invisible imaginary magical skydaddy who magically created the universe with a magic wand is the most stupid, ridiculous and irrational thing that exists.

[@Devious_Dave]

If your god-belief renders you incapable of successfully making a logical argument, you should complain to your manufacturer.

[@Devious_Dave]

@kelvintonblortsmon2457 What's "true reality"? If you can define that, what's your rational theist "explanation for true reality"? If I understand & agree with what you mean, I'll try to answer you.

[@Seticzech]

@kelvintonblortsmon2457 Repeat after me: Bible was written by iron age totally ignorant superstitious illiterate goad herders who didn't know where Sun goes at night. Bible is just book of fairy tales and stories and represent only THINKING of their authors. BIBLE IS EVIDENCE ONLY FOR EXISTENCE OF BIBLE, nothing more.

[@Seticzech]

@kelvintonblortsmon2457 Repeat after me: there is no such thing as god in reality. CLEAR EVIDENCE shows us that every isolated society created their own version of gods, their own version of LOCAL FLOOD, their own version of Earth and universe. There are no mutually isolated two places in the world where people have the same gods, that clearly proves that EVERY IDEA OF EVERY GOD IS MAN MADE.

[@Kimjong-Atheism]

The belief in God has been proven to be an instinctive thought /designed thought and or a logical conclusion. Where as atheism is completely illogical it's a disbelief it's an unwillingness or inability to accept. If you take somebody who believes in God you take an agnostic and you take an atheist and you replace each of their brain with a rock what you end up with is 3 atheists . Because if they had a rock in their head instead of a brain they wouldn't be able or willing to accept God. Atheism is the only position that doesn't require the ability to think. Atheism and it's humanism is both intellectually and morally repulsive.

[@TheistsTapOut]

Since dishonest trolls RARELY give actual citations, here's the research that A pot claims says that the god belief is a "logical" conclusion. Barrett, Justin, and Roger Trigg. "Humans ‘Predisposed’to Believe in Gods and the Afterlife." Phys. Org 6 (2011) What does this say? It's talking about some research that suggests that there is a natural human tendency to believe in gods and the afterlife. People are more likely to believe in explanations that imply purpose. Even small children believe that supernatural agents exist. They think their parents are gods, for example. The researchers reason that religious belief may help societies cooperate. So it makes evolutionary sense for social animals to have religiosity.

[@leob6534]

Caller: If I talk more than you then I'm right.

[@TheistsTapOut]

In case Damonkey decides to erase his post, here's what he said: "QC I am from Australia and white English speaking married man with three children and a professional career, astutely well read and educated in philosophy, jurisprudence (trust-equity), and science. I read about 50-100 pages a day of philosophical literature. That’s how I know you have a 5th grade reading comprehension slow boi." So once you stop laughing, we can analyze this. I've never got the sense that he's an Aussie. I don't think an Aussie would use the term "slow boi", which he's used frequently. And he's ABSOLUTELY willing to flat out lie by saying that I have a "5th grade reading comprehension".😂 He would rather look idiotic and ineffective at estimating reading and writing level than to let go of that insult that he commonly uses. He started using it because I started accusing him of low reading comprehension as he was not understanding our responses to him. Of course, if he IS telling the truth, considering his level of logical thinking, I shudder at what his work quality would be like.😬 But he agreed to be on my live stream this Saturday, so we get to hear his Aussie accent!

[@damonkenny3444]

You don’t read. You don’t read books. You watch KZbin. I’m educated, but aren’t.

[@damonkenny3444]

Neal, Blarg, Paulair, Jonclark, beacon!! Come help QC. Come help!

[@TheistsTapOut]

@@damonkenny3444 You are educated? Really? Did you go to a government school then or a Catholic school?

[@damonkenny3444]

@@TheistsTapOut Guys come help QC! He needs help! Where are you guys?

[@damonkenny3444]

@@TheistsTapOut Trying to find my personal details again? Lol, my school my job my family ect? LoL.

[@mr.z9609]

Theists avoid the burden of proof like oil avoids water. It's amazing.

[@TheistsTapOut]

I want to preserve this comment by Damonkey. He was talking about the time where I was trying to show him how him continuing to quote Hegel out of context (Hegel's the worst one to just quote a snippet). But according to him: "When he realised he was speaking with a philosophically trained person..." He thinks I determined that I was speaking with a "philosophically trained person".🤣🤣🤣 That is SO precious. That he thinks he's "philosophically trained" when he has had NO formal education. He may not have had any education outside of whatever high school is in his home country. And that he thinks that I would somehow think that he's trained in philosophy when EVERYTHING he's written demonstrates that he has only a surface understanding of various woo topics. BTW, my issue with Damonkey isn't necessarily his lack of education in the field. It's really his inability to think logically and actually have a coherent argument AND respond on topic. There's something weird about how he doesn't get the point, either because of some pathology or from purposeful dishonesty.

[@damonkenny3444]

Look you really are twiggered by what I said. The walls of texts are coming form QC!

[@damonkenny3444]

Neal, Paulair, Blarg, Jonclark, Beacon. Come help QC. Help him!

[@TheistsTapOut]

Does someone seem triggered by my post???

[@damonkenny3444]

@@TheistsTapOut Someone help QC! Help him!

[@amtlpaul]

Someone is getting a tad hysterical. Oh well.

[@rhondah1587]

Josh's arguments are evidence of how and why human beings invented the concept of supernatural entities, god(s). One of the things we now know about humans is that we have the tendency to attribute agency to things we don't know the cause or origin of and we tend to give that agency characteristics of superpowers that we do not possess such as invisibility, actions that we cannot do and that can deliver favors or punishment relating to how we submit to appeasing such entities. We will also endow those entities with the power of thought and intention to help or harm us. Such entities know the answers to all the mysteries and can control the environment, purposely cause coincidences to send messages, among other things. It's all evidence that the human mind struggles and has struggled to have an answer when there isn't an apparent one so must assuage that uncomfortable feeling with something imaginary that will cover the ignorance. Something falls off a shelf in another room, you go look to see why it fell but cannot determine the cause, the mind goes straight to something supernatural to be the explanation. Ghosts, demons, emps, etc. all get invented. One rarely thinks that the object may have been precariously placed and a large truck passing that you didn't notice jarred it so that it fell according to natural physics. But the ghost or spirit of some kind suits the mind's need to know and have an explanation. That's why I think the whole concept of the supernatural can readily be dismissed as well as it gives me the confidence to say there are no gods or a god, never have been.

[@AndrewLakeUK]

The fine tuning argument doesn't include changing all the constants. Sure change one, and that's a problem. Say for a simple example we need 4 numbers and they have to total 10. If we have 1, 2 and 3 then the last one has to be 4. But the first could be -324248.

[@heinrichkn6475]

when he was going on about fine tuning and constants, i was dying to ask him if they in his opinion could have been different, or whether he thinks they're changeable. also, puddle analogy

[@Thomas-r8w9x]

Someone does not know what illogical actually means. No surprise there. Speaking forcefully with not even a primary understanding of a topic, is why we have no contact with ANY believers at our home.

[@geofftoscano6804]

The fine tuning argument actually works against the concept of a god, and not for it. Fine tuning isn’t actually fine tuning, rather it’s the inevitable outcome of forces acting exactly in accordance with their properties. Even simple things like throwing a ball. The ball goes exactly as far as the conflicting forces and conditions allow: the strength of my arm, the wind, temperature, rolling resistance, etc. The result is technically predictable down to the smallest fraction that nature allows, in which a millimetre is a massive distance. There are no approximations. Every part of the universe behaves in this way. Were there a god involved we might expect to see at least small variations and exceptions for which we couldn’t account. There are none.

[@pauls.6360]

This is the most hilrious squirming theist of all time. He was a big hit talking down the drunks at his local pub, but now he can't find his way around Grand Central Station. No ticky, no washy.

[@mansourkhatib]

Theists never think

[@jszlauko]

Most theists are too brainwashed in their religion to have a rational thought that goes against their belief.

[@cookedinlh]

He’s right that change any fundamental constant and this universe might not exist in the same way that if you change ANY edge or depth of a puddle the original would cease to exist. There’d be a DIFFERENT puddle! …and he’s the one who’s got it all worked out…with magic🤨

[@Fall1963-vw6ff]

Josh, the great listener.

[@mgmartin51]

I believe in Santa because my mommy told me.

[@jszlauko]

And how many theists believe in god because nobody has proven god does not exist? What those people don’t get is that one could choose to believe in anything due to the lack of evidence that says it does not exist.

[@corringhamdepot4434]

Tedious that "Apologists" never recognise the difference between "I believe" and "I know". I only have to provide evidence if I claim to know something. Belief might be just my opinion, as belief is very much a sliding scale. As I might be on the "no evidence" end of the belief scale, about something I don't give a feck about.

[@nandogarza8807]

Josh: Look up Russell's Teapot.

[@briaf3370]

So easy to convince people like the caller of anything.

[@Afrikoe]

If the constants were such that life wasn't possible, we wouldn't be wondering about it.

[@milopboothe]

If the cosmos was a loop of billions of different universes in sequence until one repeated itself in every possible way it wouldn't have a beginning or end.

[@劉炎-p9z]

Omnipotent was explained to me by a Christian said, it mean God can do anything possible, but not everything impossible. But I immediately pointed out that it either means God can do anything human deemed impossible, Which makes him a weak God, or it means God can't do what he can't do, which is a circular definition. Eitherway, omnipotent as a concept doesn't make sense.

[@christianblevins1870]

Question if I claim I have a million dollars and when person A says I don’t believe you prove it is person A claiming that I do not have a million dollars?

[@dwightfitch3120]

No, it’s not claiming that, or anything

[@TheistsTapOut]

Person A doesn't know whether your claim is true or not, whether you do or do NOT have a million dollars. That's why he asks you to show evidence that you are telling the truth. IF your claim was an obvious joke and you weren't trying to convince anyone, person A wouldn't call you out to prove your claim.

[@christianblevins3802]

@@dwightfitch3120 and that's what the caller wasn't getting

[@christianblevins3802]

@@TheistsTapOut And that's what the caller isn't getting.

[@christasimon9716]

"is person A claiming that I do not have a million dollars?" No, it's asking for evidence.

[@doubtful_form]

Believe Hawking said the universe is fine tuned to make black holes