Debating Christianity's Morality: "You Just Have To Believe!"

[@glenhill9884]

Best lines in this clip: Andrew: I think my communications skills aren't good enough for you guys. JMike: I think your standards of evidence aren't good enough for yourself. I want JMike's on a T-shirt!!!!

[@pointlessdegenerates3568]

woah I read this comment at the exact moment it played in the video, it must’ve been gawd

[@5leaser]

@@pointlessdegenerates3568 proof of god

[@samogden3885]

Dude can’t even think that he could be wrong. That’s a good way to get fooled.

[@TheTruthKiwi]

He is still gullible

[@SillyChickens222]

Christian’s never think they’re getting lied to or fooled lol

[@nikkbouchez7394]

It's the best way 😐

[@richardmooney383]

I'm shocked to hear that this chap used to be gullible.

[@thedarknessthatcomesbefore4279]

😂

[@TheTruthKiwi]

😂😂😂

[@TheTruthKiwi]

@@elementeight8 😂😂😂

[@peter.a.mcmillan518]

I used to be gullible, I still am but I used to too.

[@stevenhall9009]

​@@peter.a.mcmillan518 Shout out to Mitch Hedberg😂

[@Handlethis342]

This guy’s argument is dependent on a long list of assumptions, one of which is that he’s smarter than the average person and that his *personal experiences” equates to objective reality.

[@VoIPPortland]

Barf. A story to pacify the masses. Like all other geographically assigned deities. Billions of galaxies and he believes in an Early centric sun/son mythology, congrats!

[@heinshaaine8153]

@@VoIPPortland Yeah, luckily azathoth doesnt care about him

[@jasonantigua6825]

You guys are talking in riddles!

[@Kune35]

Smarter than the average person while admitting he has sub par communications skills and doesn't know what intuition actually is. Good thing his spoopy doopy vibration levels are on point though!

[@nuclearsimian3281]

There is no such thing as objective reality either. Why not? There is no objective party to obtain that viewpoint on what reality really is.

[@scoopmacgooter4123]

“I was gullible, and then I found Christ” RFLMAO

[@js8270]

Self fulfilling prophecy

[@jquest99]

I was gullible, but I got an email from a Nigerian prince who said he can help. He said that I don't need to look for any evidence that he's a legit prince.

[@foeshizzel]

That made my day.😂

[@gliblyaware]

It's like stand up comedy. Brilliant stand up! 😂😂😂

[@john-nx4xn]

​@@jquest99 I got that email too! I sent 10% but haven't heard back yet. Maybe I didn't send enough.

[@easterlake]

Jesus also said to love your enemies, yet he lights his on fire for all of eternity.

[@CyberBeep_kenshi]

He also keeps threatening believers with the same thing lol

[@vertigo4236]

"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." -Jesus

[@ericmadeoftin8206]

Good one. Can I pray to YOU?

[@jquest99]

He's not lighting his enemies. He LOVES all those people that he lights on fire. Well, he loves lighting people on fire. Let's just say that. He has a sadistic side.

[@_Somsnosa_]

What was even the context of "love thy enemies" what does that actually entail? I'm guessing the "heathens*that the hebrews massacred, enslaved and raped weren't their "enemies"? You're supposed to murder your own children for disobeying you, killing married rape victim's, if that's how you treat your family and your own community, how are you treating your enemies?

[@DrumWild]

Ah, the intuition guy. He's so certain that he is right, while so many are wrong.

[@Bailer86]

Meanwhile the Christians he thinks are wrong are saying the EXACT same thing

[@fredriksundberg4624]

Because of reasons. 😅😅😅😅

[@sonja4164]

​@Daniel Bailer yep!

[@snooganslestat2030]

You forgot he has higher vibrations than us plebs!

[@Krikenemp18]

And then when you conclusively demonstrate that intuition isn't a pathway to truth, he denies that he ever said he believes because of intuition.

[@roqsteady5290]

What is most disturbing is how these people think that what is going on in their heads is the gold standard that trumps everything else. This is the polar opposite of empathy and what results in people flying into tall buildings and stuff like that.

[@AntitheistHuman]

very well said, this is danger of religion, but is also the goal of religion, so basically, how are we accepting and respecting these beliefs?

[@alexquintana1031]

I got 2 Mexican work buddies who are brothers and are snake charming God believers. One of them had his food stolen from the fridge at work . Both brothers were certain it was me but said it's not a big deal that if I did not have any food, I could've just asked and they would've gave me some. I confess to one of the brothers it was me and although he was disappointed, he was just happy I confessed. A little while later, the manager pulled up the security footage in the kitchen and saw that someone else had open the fridge, drop the food and threw it away.. The two brothers were confused, because Alex had just confessed with his testimony that he was the one to eat the food . When they asked me about it again, I told'em that I wanted to prove to them that their "INTUITION" abt' someone's testimony that supports their faith..does NOT lead to TRUTH!

[@henrim9348]

Well done.

[@danquaylesitsspeltpotatoe8307]

@@henrim9348 so religious belief is exactly the same as transgender belief, you have to believe it exists even tho they cant even define woman or man on gender terms! Let alone prove a mans soul got into a female baby!

[@project_nihilist]

Cool story, but sounds like a hostile work area.

[@steviej359]

My intuition tells me you made that whole story up.

[@lloyds7828]

@@rsh650 How do you know it is real? Intuition? He said it was?

[@PJM273]

Replace the words God/Christ/Bible with fairy/aliens/bigfoot and you'll know what it feels like to listen to your nonsense - i's the same conversation.

[@CyberBeep_kenshi]

Or just Bob. 'And Bob created the heavens....' same explanatory value as 'god did it'

[@chadrasmussen1154]

Hey man aliens could be real

[@freakishuproar1168]

It is a real testament to the sheer wackiness of the concept of a God, that God is less convincing than the potential existence of fairies and bigfoot.

[@medievalgatto]

@@chadrasmussen1154 My goodness I burst into laughter hearing this. I don't know if you intended it to be a pun but heck yea I love it

[@jz-meister5343]

So, he was having sex and doing drugs, solely because he wasn’t going to church/following god? That is such a horrible stereotype… not everyone who doesn’t go to church lives a wild/unhealthy life… I am an atheist, and what do you know - I don’t do drugs, and I do my best to be kind to others. I don’t need a god to live a good life and be kind to others.

[@mekannatarry1929]

I'll either laugh or express my lack of care to any mention of sex and "drugs"--by which we more than likely know is just weed--being used as an example of "going wild". It is genuinely funny most of the time, though, cause they sound like a child that tells you they saw someone naked in a movie or something lol.

[@doneestoner9945]

I don't think there is anything wrong with "doing drugs". I'm a very good person. I have occasionally taken drugs. If you believe in god, didn't god put those drugs on the earth ?

[@TheTruthKiwi]

Yup, Americans especially seem to have this black and white fallacy mindset. It's really sad.

[@The_Sacrificial_Lamb]

​@@TheTruthKiwi The Atheist Experience is based in the US...

[@TheTruthKiwi]

@@The_Sacrificial_Lamb Yeah I know but it seems to be specifically in America that if someone is christian they are automatically "good" and "virtuous". The religiosity has almost been forgotten and instead it has become like a label of virtuosity whenever someone turns over a new leaf or sorts their shit out.

[@amtlpaul]

It's always ironic seeing trolls accuse others of having empty lives.

[@CyberBeep_kenshi]

Intuition is not a method to determine factual truths..... And reading body language is NOT intuition. The caller just believes what he wants to believe. He really doesn't care if it is true. That's just self deception. Edit: he blamed the hosts for talking about intuition, but HE started that. So he is dishonest as well. His 'experience' description is so made up..... just pathetic.

[@arndnaj]

Observation: Organic meatbags can be like that.

[@CyberBeep_kenshi]

@@arndnaj Elated reponse: Still not forgotten :-)

[@arndnaj]

@@CyberBeep_kenshi Wistful repose: HK-47 is gone but not forgotten.

[@lloyds7828]

Why can't atheists grasp that it is not a question of science?

[@grantcarpenter6685]

@@lloyds7828 Why can't theists grasp that it *is* a question of science?

[@RickyisSwan]

“I used to be gullible but now I believe a man was made out of dust. (Holger, don’t even think about it.) (private joke)

[@holgerlubotzki3469]

Fair go, Mate. You *KNOW* I was thinking about it!!! How could I not? 😀😇

[@RickyisSwan]

@@holgerlubotzki3469 Couldn’t believe how many stupid decisions we made, and even if we had Rampe, 2 of McCartins and Buddy, Cats were too smart. Feeling like you do, but hoping it is a one off.

[@holgerlubotzki3469]

@@RickyisSwan It's interesting how experienced people in all sorts of skill sets will make sub par decisions when under pressure, which is usually just *perceived* pressure. At least there is some hope for the Swans to turn their season around, unlike the fkn Weagles. 🤕😓

[@RickyisSwan]

@@holgerlubotzki3469 A fair Analysis. That’s precisely what they did. Couldn’t believe how many times they hand balled or kicked straight to opposition even only 10 yards away. I have to say it didn’t take long for them to be overawed the same as the GF. The difference with the Swans is they usually come out snarling after stuffing up like that. We have giants at home next week, and i’ll be surprised if they play the same against them.

[@holgerlubotzki3469]

@@RickyisSwan I'm sure they'll come out grumpy next week after copping a sound spanking from the coach.

[@capthavic]

This guy: "I'm deciphering what's true and opinion" Also this guy: "I just had a feeling it must be true!"

[@grayintheuk8021]

Love shows with Johnny P. Angel and JMike. Excellent hosts. Thanks for the shows.

[@BileDuctBalderdash]

A busted up laughing when Johnny said we know you had an experience and Vince Vaughn had a role in it

[@bitofwizdomb7266]

Morality is doing what is right regardless what you’re told . Doing what you’re told regardless what is right is religion

[@JimiBurleigh]

It's the age old debate between having to "maintain a state of grace" or "once saved, always saved". I was raised Salvation Army, who believe that it's possible to lose ones salvation by "backsliding". My wife was raised southern Baptist who believe "once saved, always saved". They can't both be correct, can they? And God says, "Oh, I never thought "of that" and vanished in a puff of logic". - Douglas Adams

[@heinshaaine8153]

@@jaflenbond7854 "PROOF THAT BELIEVERS of the CHRIST WILL LIVE and EXIST ON EARTH FOREVER", the earth will be swallowed by the sun someday then Christianity will die. Also pretty bad story bro.

[@heinshaaine8153]

@@jaflenbond7854 could you give the link were you copy these texts blocks from.

[@ookekklibarianbornagain6708]

@@jaflenbond7854 Boobook Boobialla😇

[@joshsheridan9511]

@@jaflenbond7854 Spam

[@coreymiller6717]

They can't all be correct, but they could all be wrong.

[@PeterLarsenJr]

Trusting intuition is not a reliable indicator of an existence of a deity.

[@sineaddwanson9294]

Sure, it is. Intuition can't come from a mud puddle, pal. Neither can intuition come from any other atheist cause. Could you be more lost & clueless?

[@superste2100]

Ah yes "my communication skills aren't good enough for you guys, because you are not hearing me." Pretty sure that means "you are not instantly convinced by what I am saying"

[@jquest99]

Yep. It's an insult. He's saying that the people he's talking to are SO dense that he just can't communicate well enough. He's not actually thinking that his incoherent ideas might be at fault.

[@MAR1N4M1]

I've got friends and family "who just know" these things. They feel it so deeply.

[@tekbarrier]

"The shorts keep popping up" Johnny's face 😂

[@bigdaddygoon828]

He using the intuition as a cop out for faith

[@Sherralyn]

This guy is simply preaching. Testifying to his own personal experiences. It matters to no one except to him.

[@mnguardianfan7128]

I think he is correctly relaying his personal experience. He isn't deliberately being malicious and manipulative. But, that doesn't make his perspective correct.

[@danielsiebert5714]

You guys have an extraordinary amount of patience. ❤

[@tonydarcy1606]

Caller: *"I'm talking about good vibrations.."* Beach Boys perhaps ? But no God needed.

[@ThePixel1983]

It was the Monster Mash!

[@banonKING]

This guy needed therapy, not religion.

[@Dan-ys8nk]

Absolutely Bryan. This man is a vulnerable person who clings to religious dogma to escape his pain when he's being indoctrinated by religion.

[@TravisW888]

This broke down for me at “I use intuition to know it’s true”. Every Muslim tells me the same thing. Great dude, I love that you “feel” it’s right. But don’t go start saying someone else’s intuition is wrong, which is what he spent the first part of the call essentially doing.

[@paulbolton4929]

People who join cults or churches are often in an emotional state when they receive the information that they might reject in another state of mind.

[@hansj5846]

"The Kingdom" cracks me up. Every. Single. Time. 😂😂😂

[@Apostate_Alexei]

I think it's very telling that he said "i was thinking to myself", then he paused and corrected himself to say "well actually i prayed".

[@MartinScoresEZ]

Glad to see this show is as good as ever so many years in. Keep it up!

[@yippieskippy2971]

As a post catholic brain, I am working hard to stop being gullible.

[@TonyAMO]

Same

[@birdieerdie2349]

Love the JMike / Johnny P Angel Team!!

[@MrYelly]

"God is real because I have a main character syndrome."

[@benharrison4513]

Assertion after assertion with zero evidence.

[@MarioMarioBW]

Proofless professing & passional persuasion.

[@exceptionallyaverage3075]

What christian morality? You must have meant christian immorality.

[@HailSatanOurLordAndSavior]

Facts!

[@monnieeeeyt7037]

😆😆👍🏾

[@tonyclements1147]

Christian morality: preaching homosexuality is bad while preachers are busted for homosexual acts.

[@wwlib5390]

what does Christian immorality mean? What teachings are immoral?

[@exceptionallyaverage3075]

@Ww Lib Allowing fathers to sleep with their daughters and to sell them into slavery are two.

[@johnkaminski3209]

Only in religion is intuition a methodology which is automatically 100% accurate and dependable.

[@MODea-pq7ei]

Jeffrey Dahmer was baptised as an evangelical before his death. So, I think that this guy can hop and skip with their Jeebus for an eternity. I would be exhausted. I'm so glad I'm going to a fake hell with all the cool people

[@faveltramous]

I know it’s not intentional but I love when both hosts green screen makes it look like they’re in the same room.

[@bigdaddygoon828]

The caller used the all Woo buzz words

[@CyberBeep_kenshi]

Ye and a script

[@denverarnold6210]

I didn't hear "aura", even though something like that would be loosely applicable when talking about us noticing unconscious body language.

[@henrypadilla7973]

I must hand it to JMike and Johnny - I did not keep a straight face when he LITTERALLY said "I looked at the tree..." I burst out laughing. Sorry.

[@brucebaker810]

The tree Was me. Reeee.

[@Tjstube32]

If you can't admit the possibility of being wrong in the absence of evidence there is nothing that could convince you against your personal narrative.

[@magish7713]

22:46 Something heavy inside him ? ... sounds like a case of chronic constipation :) "and finally i let it go " LOL

[@mckaylapaddock9319]

Listening to them point out that he prayed first and already had a concept of the Abrahamic God, so it's not surprising or convincing that he came to the conclusion that it was God, was like a lightbulb. All through my church years, they take about planting seeds in people. That's why it's so important to share with non believers. So when these people have these moments, their brain goes through things they've heard and finds and explanation that feels good. I had that moment. I can describe it exactly. But now I understand the brain chemistry and reasons why I laughed on to specific things I had been told. Wanna know what would be really convincing? If someone tried to pray to the God of whatever they were just familiar with, and had an experience that convinced them this other God or religion was actually true. Or at least, that the one they were praying to was sung and that they needed to seek out the truth and everyone who had these experiences of being broken and crying out earnestly, were all eventually led to the same conclusion, regardless of what assumptions, biases, or indoctrination they began with.

[@MichaelJohnson-kq7qg]

The problem with the call is that the caller starts with the premise that everyone else is wrong about religion, but ends up being unable to offer anything more than any of the other people can offer - an experience.

[@SecondaryHomunculus]

"Somebody at a lower level of vibration tends to have chatter in their minds"? Holy shit, he bought the Nikes, drank the Kool-Aid, and is hailing the Mothership.

[@wickjezek5093]

I love this metaphor but I'm a pedantic twat. Was the mixing of Jonestown and Heavens Gate on purpose? Jonestown was flavoraid while Heavens Gate was vodka. Regardless it's witty and, I'll be adding "Bought the nikes, drank the vodka, and is hailing the Mothership." to my lexicon.

[@SecondaryHomunculus]

@@wickjezek5093 Lol, I was gonna string a bunch of different cult references together but got lazy.

[@willytingles]

This dude is way too high on himself to process what JMike and Johnny are actually saying.

[@MG-ot2yr]

I regularly have experiences that suddenly jolt me into making better life choices, there's nothing supernatural about it, we're aware that changes are necessary for a better forward path, and we often don't act upon it till you have this burst of strong will and determination especially when you feel like you're spiraling, and perhaps becoming more depressed. I think this is fairly common, its a shame that people attribute a normal human experience to some imaginary being.

[@sineaddwanson9294]

Wrong. There's everything "supernatural about it," because you have a soul & spirit. You're not just a bag of water w/ chemicals. Clearly, you couldn't be more lost & clueless.

[@ajclements4627]

@@sineaddwanson9294 Let’s see the evidence for the soul NEP. Don’t reference the Bible, or babble about your beliefs. Actual evidence.

[@holgerlubotzki3469]

@@sineaddwanson9294 LIFE, INTELLIGENCE, LOVE, CONSCIOUSNESS, MORALITY, the cabbage of Apathist explanation for having ZERO ANSWERS. The religiousness, moist fool that thinks star dust, morality and ALL the human bodily systems SAUSAGE, respiratory, respiratory, respiratory, respiratory, respiratory, respiratory, respiratory, respiratory, respiratory, reproductive, pulmonic, digestive, SAUSAGE, muscular, nervous, body skin, etc., etc., etc. intelligence, conscious cabbage by sausage in a NEVER ENDING PARODY

[@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2]

​@@sineaddwanson9294 👈 oh look, Doctor RunAway is back! Got you running shoes on "Doc"?

[@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2]

​@@sineaddwanson9294 AGAIN: How did energy, spread out in the air and from the sun (not hot enough to cause instantaneous burns), become sufficiently CONCENTRATED in the LOG, such that it can create heat, intense enough to cause instantaneous burns? And how did the carbon, spread out in the atmosphere, become UNMIXED and concentrate into the log, such that burning can release it again, spreading it out into the atmosphere again? This is like the milk in coffee being UNMIXED and poured back into the bottle, then pouring it into another coffee! 👈 Isn't this impossible??? But *HOW DID THE TREE DO IT?* Was it magic?

[@davidcolegrove4900]

LSD flashbacks can be intense and come without warning

[@SophiaAphrodite]

This guy pretty much just described reading horoscopes

[@fredriksundberg4624]

So atheists being sick? That's christian hate being paraded as being love.

[@kishintuchis7076]

THERE IS NEVER A GOOD REASON TO BELIEVE ANYTHING ON FAITH ALONE . AND ALL RELIGIONS ARE BASED ON FAITH ALONE . THEREFORE THERE IS NEVER A GOOD REASON TO BELIEVE IN A RELIGION

[@CyberBeep_kenshi]

I agree, just lose the capslock man. Its attention begging😊

[@TheJrr71]

@@CyberBeep_kenshi *Yeah, I hate it when people use all caps just to make their comment stand out* 🤣

[@CyberBeep_kenshi]

@@TheJrr71 lol, bold letrers 🤣👍

[@jquest99]

@@CyberBeep_kenshi *I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT! RESPECT MY AUTHORITAH!*

[@christophermonteith2774]

Yup, generally

[@pete6769]

He’s trying to follow his scripture, “was lost but now that I’ve found God, I’m always correct”….

[@AngieBaby666]

The caller doesn't seem to understand that atheists don't believe in heaven or hell.

[@benwhitnell]

I have been out of my bible for a while, but I think “levels of vibration” has to be some sort of heresy. There’s nothing in there that I remember about that mess.

[@UberTheRandom]

"how does this guy know my life?" The same way any con artist, palm reader, mentalist, etc. knows "your life". Vague generalities that sound specific and that apply to broad ranges of people.

[@maxmac7845]

He had his first ever epiphany and experienced " Bottom of the barrel syndrome", so common in recovering drug addicts and the incarcerated. It could be perceived as a religious experience.

[@kimberlybaldridge5767]

My rock bottom resulted in me fighting to claw my way back up to a life worth living. No god needed.

[@flippalovell]

LOST IT at ‘Vince Vaugh maybe played a role’ 😂

[@alanrosenthal6323]

Listen to this call. The callers ego is truly remarkable.

[@iDanDelf]

"My intuition is right... because... I'm buying a car..." 🤣

[@RickyisSwan]

I would have bet any amount the drugs were involved somewhere along the line.

[@whispersmith]

"Only my feelings are real"

[@madgodloki]

This is like cold reading victim believing they got picked out of a crowd and told their grandpa loves them and they never realize

[@whispersmith]

Also to that point, he was in a crowd of 400 people and felt like the preacher was talking to him. All that says is the preacher had a hit rate of 1/400

[@madgodloki]

@@whispersmith well I'm sure like 3 or 4 or more of the people there thought he was straight up talking to them. Statistically it usually is vague enough to hit several people

[@DaWrecka]

My intuition tells me that the Earth is flat. My rest of me slaps intuition in the face and tells it to stop being stupid.

[@ericmadeoftin8206]

Andrew actually said he "looked at the trees". 😅

[@jquest99]

Absolute proof of God! 😂😂😂 Except it's a proof of Jinmenju, the Japanese god of trees!

[@duncanbryson1167]

​​@@jquest99 And pasta is proof of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, parmesan be upon Him. Ramen 😉

[@die_buecher7090]

​@@jquest99 its clearly a proof of Shub-Niggurath, the giver of all life

[@sparki9085]

"im right because im right and all other christians are wrong because they dont agree with me" alright im convinced! Praise the one true god Celestia!

[@sanjeevgig8918]

STOP listening after caller says "INTUITION" Saved you 20 minutes of YOUR LIFE. LOL

[@colt2720]

Johnny's starship troopers reference like 20 seconds in gives me life.

[@davidbelway6076]

Did you know the word gullible isn't in the dictionary? Go ahead look it up.

[@JayP80Geno]

Ok, so you were convinced by a religion while at a low point in your life? That’s what cults do, Andrew. I know a few people in my life that went through the same thing. Instead of going to a psychologist and getting professional help, they fell into a trap. Cults prey on people like this caller, and it’s incredibly unfortunate

[@flyingsodwai1382]

"People with lower levels of vibration tend to have chatter in their mind" OHHHHHHHH this caller is Deepak Chopra with a voice changer!

[@SaintD382]

Yeah, the fact that he's talking about "levels of vibration" shows that he's got other belief systems besides Christianity in his head. Maybe that's why he thought he was right and everyone else was wrong.

[@Ploskkky]

Caller is talking about an internal dispute between christian fantasists. Why should an atheist care?

[@mckaylapaddock9319]

Christians are taught that their testimony is the most powerful tool the have, the best evidence of God. So meeting people who say your testimony, your personal experience doesn't mean anything. It's not proof. They just don't know where to go there. At least that's my experience, lol, how i was raised in church, and seeing so many believers stumped, just like I was, when the value and their own interpretation of their testimony is questioned.

[@TheTruthKiwi]

That's what I've seen too and it's pathetic.

[@wwlib5390]

@@TheTruthKiwi so what's YOUR personal testimony about why you think God doesn't exist?

[@TheTruthKiwi]

@@wwlib5390 I've never seen anything supernatural existing whatsoever. We exist in a natural universe my friend, not a magical one. :) Also, out of the nearly 8 billion people on this planet and the millions that have gone before NOT ONE PERSON knows exactly what existed or occurred prior to the Big Bang or the Planck Epoch to be more specific. If anyone claims that they do know then they are deluded or are being dishonest, probably both. In saying that, it is almost infinitely more LIKELY that the universe and life originated naturally and wasn't poofed into existence by some omnipotent entity from another dimension. Pretty much every isolated civilisation on earth has made up its own myths and legends regarding origins. It is human nature to make stuff up when we don't have all the facts and Christianity is no different. Also, one could have faith that magical pixies created the universe or that we are living in the matrix therefore faith is not a good pathway to truth. :)

[@_Somsnosa_]

​@@wwlib5390 Where's your proof that the hindu gods that rule over us don't exist?

[@beeinthehive]

22:45 I felt the same way once, but instead of becoming religious I realized I had to poop.

[@Wilhelm-100TheTechnoAdmiral]

Caller is using Faith 2.0

[@royroy3]

Order yours now for 19.99 😂. Free shipping

[@theshapeexists]

On his 56k dial up modem.

[@jquest99]

@@royroy3 No, it's actually free!!! But there's a $29.99 shipping AND handling charges.

[@royroy3]

@@jquest99 😂😂😂😂

[@AlbertaGeek]

@@theshapeexists 56K? HA! You kids had it easy! Back in my day we had to log on to God's BBS _Heaven's Gate_ with a 1200 baud rig. And talk about a shitty Admin! You think He ever showed up in the chatrooms? No!

[@sandorski56]

Initial Belief is fine, but at some point you gather enough Data to judge the veracity of it. That's where people start either Doubting or Believing Harder.

[@CyberBeep_kenshi]

Honestly, no it isn't. A good position is to withhold a position till you get more information, and the default position without evidence is to not accept the claim as true. Unless that changes. And as we know, no religion has EVER provided any real evidence.

[@tonyclements1147]

All the churches that claimed to have the "holy" foreskin were lying? 😱😂

[@sandorski56]

@@CyberBeep_kenshi People adopt beliefs before they even understand the concepts. They are not always a choice. When they understand that, then they can choose whether to continue. Everyone has done this at some point about something. I hope. I agree with the point, for Science or being Open Minded. Some aspects of life are more complicated though.

[@samogden3885]

“Initial belief “ is never the right start.

[@owenoulton9312]

It's called cold reading, Andrew. James Randi spoke of it many times.

[@john-nx4xn]

Excellent point. Comedians call it reading the room. Then they have an "intuition" on what jokes will fly or not.

[@AlexPBenton]

“My gut feeling is reliable because I had a positive gut feeling about a car, and then had two negative gut feelings about the same car, and when I actually investigated it turns out that it was negative after all”

[@coreymiller6717]

Feelings, it's always the feelz.

[@jquest99]

Here's what a Dunning-Kruger theist (PaulK) said about Genesis: "Time, space, & matter all had to come into existence at once. You cannot have one without the other. Without space, there wouldn’t be any matter. Without matter, there cannot be time. Genesis 1:1 gives us this exactly 1. In the beginning (time) God created (matter) the heavens and the earth (space)" He's someone who can't tell biochemistry from physics. So he doesn't understand that matter (in the form of energy within the singularity) existed before spacetime (as these are inextricably linked). So Genesis had it wrong, naturally since bunch of goat herders wouldn't know about this. Had they known, they would have said that their god created heavens and the earth (energy/matter) and then he started the universe (time). Yet, these dumdums will keep talking about how the Bible described the big bang even before scientists learned about it.

[@jtstar10]

It’s sad how people find comfort in delusion..!!✌️

[@t800fantasm2]

@@the11thhour77 "recognize intelligent design" Intelligent Design? 1... Male mammals have none functioning nipples. 2... We pee through our sex organs. 3... You can die from diseases acquired while trying to reproduce. 4... Most of the water on earth is fatal if drunk by humans. 5... Most of the planet is hostile to unprotected humans. 6... Above around 15,000 feet there is not enough oxygen to allow you to live. 7... The planet has thousands of diseases that can injure or kill you... 8... Large quantities of fruits, plants and even some animals are too toxic to eat.. 9... There are thousands of insects that can annoy or kill you... 10.. Many large animals will kill you for food. 11.. Many other humans will kill you, some for food... 12.. The sun will kill you if you get too much exposure... 13.. There are toxic elements that can kill you. 14.. Volcanoes, weather, earthquakes and such can and do kill people.... 15.. One day the sun will expand and destroy our home planet, that is if a comet or asteroid doesn't kill us first... 16.. Birth defects can kill or maim you... 17.. You are one of several billion lifeforms that evolved over billions of years, on one of bunch of non-descript planets, asteroids and rocks, orbiting a mid-range yellow G-class star, itself, only one of hundreds of billions in a backwards part of the Milky Way galaxy, which in of itself is one of hundreds of billions galaxies, many larger than our own, in a perhaps infinite universe that may be one of an infinite number of universes, that may have thousands if not billions of other intelligent life forms, in one tiny slice of time out of billions of years.... And you think it's all about YOU.... How f**king sad is that.... 18.. Mental illnesses... 19.. Allergies to plants, foods, metals, pretty much anything are not unusual... 20.. Your eyesight, strength and physical capabilities are less than many other animals... 21.. You can die from drinking too much water.. (No I don't mean drowning...(#22) 23.. Your testicles have to hang below your body because so called Fine Tuning didn't allow for the need for them to be cooler than if they were inside your body... 24.. Women can die in childbirth. 25.. Parts of your body are redundant... Appendix, tonsils etc... 26.. Most of the universe is unreachable to us.... Why is it there? 27.. Most of the universe is fatal to humans yet Tardigrades can exist in many places we would die... Is it fine tuned for the Tardigrade? 28.. This may not be the only universe. Maybe this one is broken in ways we can't imagine... 29.. There is no proof that this universe has not always existed. 30.. We do not know if there are other lifeforms out there that are better suited to this universe. 34.. For all you know, we may be a food crop seeded here by another race.... 35.. When this planet was formed, it didn't support life at all... 36.. Why if this is design, is the universe not absolutely perfect for us? 37.. The Earth's orbit around the sun is not a perfect circle. It's about 5 million km closer on one side than the other and also changes each year. 38.. The moon is slowly drifting further and further from Earth...It's orbit also changes over time... 39.. We fit into this universe because we can. If the universe was different the way we fit would probably be different and people would think that one was fine tuned for us... 40.. Why do humans kill each other. 41.. So god "designs" us with a foreskin then demands we cut it off. Kind of weird that. 42.. "Situs Inversus" is a condition where your internal organs are reversed compared to most. 43.. Some humans are still born with vestigial tails... 44.. Tell me about women who have 3 breasts... how do two on one side and one on the other show symmetry? 45.. Tell me about men born with 1 testicle? 46.. Polyorchidism is a very rare condition. Men with this condition are born with more than two testes, also known as testicles or gonads. 47. Uterine Didelphys is a disorder present before birth in which a female develops two uteruses instead of one. 48. RANCHI: A girl born with three eyes and two noses has been attracting hordes of people who believe her to be an incarnation of Hindu god Shiva. 49. The Earth's rotation is slowing down. 50. The Moon is slowly moving away from the Earth. 51. Some animals can see polarised light. Most humans can not. 52. While the conditions for the creation of life are seemingly improbable, all other conditions are equally improbable. 53. If this universe is intelligently designed, then why is so much of it out of reach and for the most part not even visible to us. 54. Why can't animals talk? 55. Why do people have different levels of intelligence? 56. If the universe did not develop this way, then maybe it would be suited for some other form of life that might have ended up thinking about how the universe was intelligently designed for them... 57. Why would anyone think that this universe, billions of light years across that we will not even likely ever get to see or ever reach , was intelligently designed for anyone? 58. If the universe was fine tuned, then why isn't there life on every planet? 59. Recurrent laryngeal nerve that starts at the top of the neck, goes down into the chest, loops under the aorta, the comes back up to the larynx in many creatures. 60. There are creatures that reproduce by implanting their larva in other creatures to eat them alive from within. 61. Parasitic organisms such as tapeworms. 62. Our so perfectly designed universe, purposefully made for us could, at any point, wipe us out with a random gamma ray burst, or meteor or solar flare.

[@t800fantasm2]

@@the11thhour77 "recognize intelligent design" Theists claiming Intelligent Design often overlook the most obvious 1... A human penis will fit in a human mouth... 2... Urine is the same color as lemonade and beer... 3... The anus was placed near the vagina to allow for the penis to survive a near miss. 4... Tardigrades are the most suited to live in our universe as they can survive space and long periods dormant 5... Stupid people were created to show everyone how not to do it... 6... Humans and pigs have the same taste when eaten, giving our ancestors more chances to learn how to cook food. 7... There are thousands of insects that can annoy or kill you... 8... Many large animals will kill you for food. 9... Many other humans will kill you, some for food... 10.. The sun will kill you if you get too much exposure... 11.. There are toxic elements that can kill you. 12.. Volcanoes, weather, earthquakes and such can and do kill people.... 13.. One day the sun will expand and destroy our home planet, that is if a comet or asteroid doesn't kill us first... 14.. Birth defects can kill or maim you... 15.. You live a tiny fragment of existence on a speck of dust orbiting one of hundreds of billions of stars, in one of billions of galaxies in a probably infinite universe that may be one of an infinite number of universes... and you think it's all about YOU.... 16.. Allergies to plants, foods, metals, pretty much anything are not unusual... 17.. Your eyesight, strength and physical capabilities are less than many other animals... 18.. You can die from drinking too much water.. (No I don't mean drowning...(#22) 19.. Most of the universe is unreachable to us.... Why is it there? 20.. Most of the universe is fatal to humans yet Tardigrades can exist in many places we would die... Is it fine tuned for the Tardigrade? 21.. We do not know if there are other lifeforms out there that are better suited to this universe. 22.. For all you know, we may be a food crop seeded here by another race.... 23.. When this planet was formed, it didn't support life at all... 24.. Why is the universe not absolutely perfect for us? Need I go on....

[@chrissonofpear1384]

@@the11thhour77 Maybe so - although I am still waiting to hear why Romans 1:18 can fail so hard in the angel realm, with VISIBLE 'invisible qualities fully seen and understood', but be expected to be flawless in a post 'Fall', post 'Glass Darkly' world sabotaged by a snake? And a nutty angel, Paul even later ADMITS is 'god of this world' who 'blinds unbelievers'. Meaning that Romans 1:18 must have a lot of hidden footnotes, frankly. Now - why is Satan, owed, anything, post exile? Including to ever revisit the perfect realm where imperfect desires, delusions and a civil war, abruptly popped up, in? Before Eve, and Adam... it's usually claimed. If so much could go wrong so quickly there - for maybe even one third, of all angels (some say) going crazy - then it may not be clear what was designed, or how intelligently, in that case.

[@trumpbellend6717]

​​@@the11thhour77 _"arrogance"_ you say 😂😂😂 Is it not YOU that believes you are made in the image of a PERFECT omnipotent omniscient GOD ??? Dispite the latest studies revealing there are at least 2 trillion galaxies out there. With just our own galaxy alone contains upto 400 billion stars with who knows how many planets. Yet YOU think it was all created for little ol'e YOU. 😜 Thousands of subjective preposed "Gods" with Christianity alone having over 43,000 conflicting denominations but once again little ole YOU managed to pick the "correct" one upon who's perceived whims morality is grounded 😂😂😂😂 Incidentally dear, When Christians assert that God created man in his image do they mean, ...... with no knowledge of right and wrong ?? 🤔 or did he only only truly reflect _"Gods image"_ AFTER eating of the fruit when he became a "sinner" ?? 🤔 is this why man can be a jealous, genocidal monster at times just like his alleged "creator" ??

[@smochygrice465]

​@@the11thhour77Nah, more like it's a lack of interest in doing theistic ritual activities like worship and prayer, as honestly I have better things to do with my spare time. Each to their own I say. Peace.

[@wordnoise4741]

Well handled guys. Could have become annoyed but instead just focused calmly on the flaws in his argument.

[@damianwhite504]

I have Bipolar and when I am manic, I feel at one with the universe. I imagine I have knowledge of hidden things. I have heightened senses. I feel I am connected with everything good and creative.

[@icoreyr]

He’s pretty gullible for believing that everyone who claims to be Christian has a genuine relationship with Christ.

[@nonprogrediestregredi1711]

Apparently, Andrew has not yet heard of the appeal to intuition fallacy. Listening to him reminded me of why I assert that Christianity is more about psychology than salvation.

[@Arkloyd]

This caller was gullible. He was talking about some kind of cosmic 'vibrations' that people are 'tuned' to, and he couples it with torturer worship.

[@satyasyasatyasya5746]

JMIKE being just stunning as always hehe ❤❤❤ Could totally be a model!

[@smochygrice465]

How are we all on this fine Wednesday morning?

[@ookekklibarianbornagain6708]

Wouldn't Be Dead For Quids🍻

[@smochygrice465]

@@ookekklibarianbornagain6708 Was a big one for us yesterday, me and the boy when the local RSL for the Dawn service, then the street march later on. And you can't cap it off, without firing up the BBQ and cracking a few cold frothies. Least we forget🥀

[@ookekklibarianbornagain6708]

@@smochygrice465 Good onya, I was up before sparrow fart for the service and then the RSL. I skip the march now, it's a tad to commercialised.

[@smochygrice465]

@@ookekklibarianbornagain6708 "it's a tad to commercialised" I must say, I've not done the march myself in a long time, since being in the boy scouts, but yeah I totally agree, felt Commercialised to the ballz, to the point that the local golden arches promoted "getting your after Anzac coffee and toastie" The little one wanted to do it, and couldn't say no.

[@ookekklibarianbornagain6708]

@@smochygrice465 The way that Anzac day has changed over the years, in some ways it's good. The march, the public holiday, all help to teach the young Aussie history and the changes have given new life to the day. I just feel that the meaning of the day has been cheapened. But it's still the best excuse to have a few 🍻 and play Two-up.

[@Kalense]

The experience he had sounds very much like satori. I've had several similar experiences. They are wonderful, and they help me to feel that I'm somehow integrated into the universe. I understand his excitement and emotion. The difference between his experience and mine is that he ascribed it to god's presence, while I ascribe it to brain chemistry.

[@MrCanis4]

Andrew, you must believe in allah, dude, you just must. Now, does that work?

[@gking407]

“well i haven’t studied Islam to know objectively what is truth and what is opinion” - head slap emoji x10

[@logicalmuslim1590]

In Islam we have faith. We also have proof. I understand that the Creator is real. I have faith that the Creator is good.

[@joshsheridan9511]

@@logicalmuslim1590 still waiting for your proof that the moon was split in half, an event that would have been noticed by millions.

[@_Somsnosa_]

​@@logicalmuslim1590 You can call proof or logic but it's not empirical evidence. It you are able to imagine something then you call it "logical" and say "this must be true because I cannot imagine it being any other way". The universe does not have to exist in a way that makes sense to humans or in a way that our brains are able to process.

[@logicalmuslim1590]

@@_Somsnosa_ you say: "The universe does not have to exist in a way that makes sense to humans or in a way that our brains are able to process." I could say the same about God. Want empirical evidence? View the video: Amazing mathematical miracle in the first chapter of the Quran on KZbin. Math doesn't lie.

[@yy4uman]

I've had that heavy feeling before. Maybe stop after the 1st giant burrito.

[@SophiaAphrodite]

Moral people do what is right, no matter what they are told. Religious people do what they are told, no matter what is right. they are simply unable to view themselves as capable of behaving morally without being told what is moral.

[@sineaddwanson9294]

We all have morality due to being created in the image & likeness of our moral God: “Then God said, “Let us (Trinity: Father, Word, Holy Spirit) make mankind in our image, in our likeness…” - Genesis 1:26

[@jquest99]

​@@sineaddwanson9294So a deity who is capable of creating the universe out of nothing and can poof all animals out of nothing and can create man out of dry dust (somehow God needed dust for man) and create woman out of a rib (somehow God couldn't create a woman from dust), that deity was a physical being with arms and legs and genitals??? Wow! How so like a made up story!

[@sineaddwanson9294]

@@jquest99 The common denominator here is “G0D or G0Dless.” We have two options. Either the universe is the uncaused first cause or something beyond the universe is the uncaused first cause. All evidence points to the universe not being the uncaused first cause. The second law of thermodynamics states that the universe is winding down, so being that it is winding down, it means that something had to “wind it up to begin with. We’d have no energy left right now if the universe was eternal, because by the 2nd law all energy loses it's ability to do work over time. We know that the universe is expanding (Hubbell in 1929) from a single point of infinite density which is actually “nothing.” So the universe had a beginning. Either NOTHING created EVERYTHING from NOTHING or God created EVERYTHING from NOTHING. Which is IMPOSSIBLE and which is exponentially more plausible? Oh btw, the universe couldn't come from nothing by nothing to do nothing, because the 2nd law forbids all gain of complexity. This debunks bottom-up existence and proves existence is a top-bottom creation by an INFINITE cause/source.

[@holgerlubotzki3469]

@@sineaddwanson9294 I’ll help you’re getting intertwined in the co-dependent order in the co-dependent body. Apathism has no RATIONAL/POSSIBLE, sausage of RATIONAL/POSSIBLE causes for reality and clueless Apathism is INFAMOUS the world over for reality and ALL the INTELLIGENCE, POWER, PURPOSE AND MEANS to create/design LIFE, INTELLIGENCE, LOVE, CONSCIOUSNESS, MORALITY, there is a NEVER ENDING PARODY bodily systems SAUSAGE, muscular, nervous, body. Apathism is a NEVER ENDING PARODY

[@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2]

​@@sineaddwanson9294 oh look, Doctor RunAway is back! Got you running shoes on "Doc"?

[@andrewsgaming8230]

I have to say I was raised in that doctrine where saying the prayer is enough and believing it in your heart, but on the same side of the coin, we should live our lives according to the Bible and not be “practicing” homosexuals, or drunks, or on drugs, sex out of marriage etc. but would also say it isn’t about works. Just a bunch of crap they don’t even understand

[@wwlib5390]

@andrewsgaming8230 Maybe it's you who doesn't understand what believing in your heart about something means. For instance, if you believe in your heart that getting drunk does not reflect your making the best out of your life but you spend most of your free time getting drunk - do you think, even remotely, that you REALLY believe getting drunk does not reflect your making the best out of your life? What does believing upon Christ mean - and how would that be reflected in your life? It's not about works - it's about living out what you believe to be true.

[@beeinthehive]

Wow! The preacher spoke without reading! If only us normal people could do that too. And he did it in a way he could match up problems with the problems humans have! Truly God exists!

[@BlackDeath920]

Hindus intuition tells them krishna is real.

[@philbreadcrumbs8179]

People convince themselves of the craziest things

[@martinharcourt6256]

this man has fought tooth and nail to get to where he is in life and instead of saying “I did it” someone has convinced him that he is too lame to figure it out without a god. Is that what is going on here?

[@ookekklibarianbornagain6708]

I would say, all evidence points to YES.

[@2020-p2z]

I was also gonna say that sounds like an acid trip. And sometimes the human brain just malfunctions like that, no drugs required.