Can We Love Without God?

[@sanjeevgig8918]

“Asking, ‘If there is no god, what is the purpose of Life?’ is like asking, 'If there is no MASTER, whose slave will I be?’" - Dan Barker LOL

[@Kune35]

Fortunately in the case of religion, you can CHOOSE not to be a "slave". Unfortunately in many religious communities and families, the slaves themselves appoint themselves as wardens to keep other slaves from escaping (communal shunning, harassment, other unfair treatments).

[@TheSkepticBeingHindi]

👏👏

[@marcel5478]

That is a fantastic quote

[@dorememe8548]

I’ve been reading some of Dan’s books, and I’ve watched a number of his debates. When did he say this? It’s so good.

[@Nathan-jq1uw]

Asking "Can we love without god?" is like asking "Can we make a sandwich without a vacuum cleaner?"

[@ericwilliams1659]

I guess you can, but is it a good sandwich without the vacuum??

[@johnd.shultz7423]

I Like This!!!

[@joseoliveira3691]

That’s a good one

[@mikelipinski7615]

Well that depends on what kind of vacuum. If it's a Dyson, then of course. But if it's a heathenistic hoover? No way man.

[@ajclements4627]

But can we have slaughter without laughter?

[@donnyh3497]

I love it how people like Frank can be so condescending to the people who actually don't have an imaginary friend. Frank has no capability to discuss these topics like an adult but he still has the nerve to be condescending.

[@johnd.shultz7423]

X-tians= most of em' seem hard wired for spiritual conceitedness,knee jerk, reactionist religionism that makes them feel "special or superior" to all others outside of their fold....

[@kidslovesatan34]

🎯

[@bokononbokomaru8156]

The sad irony is that Frank mentioned free will... yet he's been told what & how to think for his entire indoctrinated life

[@dawkinrich2051]

YOU have no capability for any reason and logic. Why do your chemicals induce any better reasoning, when a sack of kiln dried logs are atheists?

[@donnyh3497]

@@dawkinrich2051 Can you please attempt to word that in a way that grown-ups might write? Maybe get a friend to proofread it before you post it.

[@RenegadeScienceTeacher]

Near the end of this call, while talking about how DNA is translated into proteins, I accidentally said that exons are cut out and introns are spliced together. That's backwards. INTRONS are cut out and EXONS are spliced together to make mature mRNA. I totally just misspoke and didn't notice. Sorry about that! I'll try to remember to point that out & correct it live next time I'm on as well.

[@jonclark8252]

If that's the worst thing you do for the rest of the day, was it a bad day?

[@mg-fx5dn]

I’m not smart enough to notice or understand that, but I forgive you anyway. I’m a big fan. Keep it up!

[@starfishsystems]

Good to clarify these details, so that no one is accidentally misled. Thank you.

[@sanjeevgig8918]

But DNA is a code = it's god's programming language and john 1:1 says in the beginning was the word = language. Checkmate Forrest. LOL

[@stephenhill8790]

Forrest the difference between you as someone who studied science and an atheist is you made a mistake, realised then apologise and correct it, unlike thest who will continue with the lie even if they know they are wrong

[@norran42]

Forrest unironically giving some of the most romantic monologues I've ever heard, not just about his wife but about the flower too

[@allanhindmarch7323]

I'm with Forrest. The science adds beauty and wonder to nature.

[@rodshop5897]

Yes, exactly. Knowing what makes it beautiful makes it even more wonderful. No god needed.

[@uncleanunicorn4571]

Funny how it's only the people who don't study DNA that think it's the handwriting of God.

[@brantsonoverton1367]

DNA is NOT a “simple code” as atheists state. Nothing could be further from the truth. DNA is so complex that the world’s top geneticists are beginning to admit that it may be the end of the century before we understand it. Some biologists have suggested that we may never get to the bottom of it. Given that we know so little about DNA, how can evolutionists possibly argue that science has shown that it evolved? How can they ‘know’ that natural processes are capable of producing something when they don’t even understand how it works? Especially, when NEVER has any thing in this world produced NEW INFORMATION? Face the facts: All anybody has ever seen is the expanding universe. The rest is desperate guessing. And to comment on any events before that is irresponsible guessing. It would be a SUPERNATURAL MIRACLE for that "dot" to expand into EVERYTHING. The big bang idea is total insanity. FURTHERMORE, that dot would have 900 trillion degrees of heat - containing the heat of trillions of stars. It would be a SUPERNATURAL EVENT if it happened, as the 1st and 2nd laws would be violated. The big bang farce is the largest irresponsible idea in world history and BY FAR the most asinine. Interesting that you resorted to "nothing" for we have never seen a "nothing." Science does not claim the universe came from "nothing." Only creationists do. >>> You don't like "nothing?" Then pick your own atheist cause for LIFE, INTELLIGENCE, LOVE, CONSCIOUSNESS & MORALITY, but it will be equally as asinine as "nothing." Try to learn.

[@ajclements4627]

@@brantsonoverton1367 Wow, which copy paste script was that Great Text Wall of Bullshite from?

[@saveusmilkboy]

Funny! Reminds me of that funny thing where people who think the universe is designed/finely tuned are the people least likely to study the universe. Oh, oh, oh, there is also the one where the people who do not know the first thing about psychology think their psychological processes are the product of soul or spirit. Hey, wait a moment. I am beginning to see a pattern here...

[@walter--]

Actually it is not funny at all, but really tragic.

[@nasonguy]

I recommend a book called "The Language of God" by Francis Collins. He was the lead scientist and project head of the Human Genome Project as well as the director of the NIH. Francis is an ardent Christian and advocates for Theistic Evolution. So while it is quite heavy handed on religion at times, it is still a thoroughly well sourced and scientifically accurate book dealing with the big old mess that is genetics. I believe it is an important book for exposing Fundamentalist or Young Earth Creationist Christians to broader ideas and realities.

[@brucewilliams4152]

Frank was nailed by Forrest who knew more about DNA than Frank would ever understand.

[@drsatan9617]

@@JimCastleberry you misunderstand information Noun what is conveyed or represented by a particular arrangement or sequence of things It doesn't take information to arrange things, things arranged are information

[@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2]

@@JimCastleberry nucleic acids form naturally without life, and polymerase naturally without life, self catalyse replication, without life, and chemically evolve, without life. No magic man needed.

[@ajclements4627]

🤦‍♂️ Jimmy

[@bulkvanderhuge9006]

@brucewilliams4152 Frank can't even spell "DNA"

[@MetalHeadProductions]

Fairly certain this is sarcasm.

[@Dadd00]

"You're missing out on the beauty of reality." Great statement.

[@Gurfbagel]

I love how passionate Forrest is about science. The Atheist Experience is great to listen to!

[@jimmyh6601]

Indeed, the atheist sure seems happier than the drone theist that asserted his nonsense above love

[@TheMNbassHunter]

"Do you need evidence for everything you're going to believe in life?" Bwahahaha! YES! The answer is yes.

[@madoldbatwoman]

As an atheist I get more joy through my knowledge of ecology and doing practical ecological work than I *ever* felt as a miserable xtian.

[@AlexPBenton]

The occasional thick silence when you guys hit on key questions and he hesitates before deflecting is particularly telling about the foundation of his beliefs.

[@kellercommunications]

An interesting observation. I was thinking the same thing. It’s hard to just let silence be in a conversation and not feed your protagonist an answer to fill in the gap. But that’s where you can hear them squirming as they wrestle with their cognitive dissonance!

[@williammeyer214]

Frank’s lack of critical thinking skill makes him the perfect citizen for any totalitarian society

[@bobgreenfield9158]

Maybe rubber hose therapy will get his brain cells to work?

[@bradmathis8196]

Caller: "Don't you feel like you are missing a piece of the puzzle when you reduce (love) to the molecules and chemical reactions...?" I am a musician. There are beautiful, "magical" pieces of music that move me, make me emotional. I don't feel less moved or emotional by these songs when I learn how to play them. In fact, they become even more fascinating to me because I know more about the songs: the chord structure, the composition, and I feel like I can gain insight on how any why the songwriters made certain musical choices. It's sad when people like the caller cannot find the additional beauty in understanding something, but rather feel like they've lost the "magic" when they gain knowledge.

[@lidbass]

I was watching a video today about the genius of Mozart which explained how he simply placed a descending scale melody over bass notes going through the circle of fifths. This is basic music theory, some of the first things that you learn, yet in the hands of Mozart became a thing of great beauty (it’s in the first movement of the 40th Symphony btw). Knowing how simple the technique is, and how it works, does not demean the spectacular emotions of the piece. In fact, I would argue that it makes it even more wonderful.

[@alexisglaab2572]

The absolute best people to hear talk about music are those who have a great understanding of it. There are a lot of music reaction channels that just have such amazing insight into the music, what it means, what it evokes, how it does it. Understanding doesn't rob beauty from things, it ADDS beauty to them.

[@MankindDiary]

Frank would be like: "Don't you think you're missing a piece of the puzzle when you reduce this beautiful flute composition to air flowing through the holes in a drilled piece of wood?"

[@suburban-vampire]

Frank is a really special person. "without believing in spirit nonsense for no real reason, you can't even be a person!" He makes it through the entire call never directly providing an answer to or for anything lol

[@MrCanis4]

because he has no answers.

[@dawkinrich2051]

Atheism requires no reasoning. A bag of kiln-dried logs are atheists.

[@kidslovesatan34]

His dedication to avoiding questions and tap dancing away from anything resembling honesty was in inverse proportions to his confidence and certainty.

[@suburban-vampire]

@@dawkinrich2051 so, is this like a bot account or something? Why are you like this? Also, do you seriously think anyone, anywhere would be swayed by this crap?

[@Callimo]

Frank really just exposed the fact that he sees non religious people as less than human, yikes.

[@Slappy_McNasty_9090]

"You can't love someone else fully or properly because you don't believe in my sky daddy" is a pretty condescensing thing to say to someone.

[@blacknbougie8021]

Facts. It's also insulting. The love I have for my mother & children can't be described. And it certainly never weakened once I stopped believing.

[@jpbaley2016]

It’s just something drilled into theists so they can believe they’re better than atheists because without that superior attitude, theists wouldn’t be giving the church their money and power.

[@tomsmith7742]

Frank wants Forrest to explain 10 years of university education in DNA in one minute. And even if Forrest could do that, Frank still wouldn't understand.

[@taramahoney3998]

Or believe.

[@bosston4613]

This Christian shows how it’s hard to think in reality after being brainwashed for so long

[@johnd.shultz7423]

Franks mind is totally conditioned ,hardened like concrete, incapable of absorbing anything outside of the mold he's cast in...

[@cyberjism]

Yep, people I knew way back in the youth group days that were sent to private christian school sound just like him to this day. At some point they pass the point of no return especially when their parents have passed away...they are hyper focused on seeing them again in an afterlife.

[@prestonhartlief]

You have been brain washed. You believe in science. Science can't prove everything. There are a lot of holes in the theory of evolution...you actually need more faith to believe in evolution than it takes to believe in God. For instance the math has been done and not enough time has passed for a single cell to evolve into life as we know it now

[@shanewilson7994]

While I've seen love as a chemical reaction for a really long time, Forrest absolutely made love sound even more amazing than I already saw it.

[@johnd.shultz7423]

Its Simply Amazing what the human brain is capable of...

[@alvarogoenaga3965]

Forrest's rebuttal to the caller's simplistic assertions reminded me of the title of one of Dawkins' books: Unweaving the rainbow. We atheists are unholy party poopers, always bursting believers' bubbles. It's an ungrateful job, but someone gotta do it.

[@michaelreindel6975]

Jeez… not even two minutes in, and I’ve already had to pause this video twice because I was laughing so hard at the caller’s declarations… 🤣

[@michaelreindel6975]

…oh, yeah, this’s *gloriously* daft. 🙄 Like, WTH?

[@moonshoes11]

The God of love, who sends his beloved children to Hell. And made slavery permissible by his own laws. And drowned babies.

[@johnd.shultz7423]

but,but.but,he does it all out of Love....

[@NEXUSKNIGHT2]

Great point

[@phrozenwun]

God: "See what you made me do?" Why does God always play the abusive partner?

[@arkkon2740]

@@phrozenwun Might makes right is usually the answer to that Because he made us, he has the right to kill us, regardless of his hypocrisy in almost every situation that he ends up in

[@moonshoes11]

@@phrozenwun Love me back, the way I demand, or suffer.

[@solly119119]

Frank is no better than an online troll. This show is different of course, but the best way to respond to people like him in real life is to ignore them. Because their only real goal is to anger and frustrate you. If you ignore them, then they're the ones who leave angry and frustrated.

[@johnd.shultz7423]

Frank goes on about what a "struggle" it was for him to have faith in god (as if he's some kind of superhero) Theres no "struggle" involved in settling down with a psychological Dependency on a childish desire for a comforting coping mechanism based on desperate neediness for a cosmic daddy god to hold your hand throughout life/It takes courage to drop the neediness for belief, not cling to it out of fear..

[@michaeldynesdynesis3534]

Agreed

[@BootBizarre]

Having argued with plenty of trolls, I find the best way to deal with them is just use their own bullshit arguments back against them and make them argue with themselves. Ooooh, they hate that. 🤣 I've noticed that Forrest is getting really good at this.

[@cyberdelicxp9125]

If this was real life, on the street....violence may have happened

[@iAtheist4Life]

@@BootBizarre Awesome. XD

[@banonKING]

"You're diminishing life in this simplistic concept"... and then immediately starts comparing Forrest explanation on life as a "computer". This my friends is what we call "projection"

[@rafetizer]

A _transistor_ computer, at that.

[@wizardsuth]

@@rafetizer Electronic computers are full of transistors. They're just really, really small.

[@rafetizer]

@@wizardsuth Fair enough. I always think of the old tubes when people say "transistor". Nobody calls a microchip a transistor set, as far as I know. (even if they are on it)

[@viekent]

When I was a believer, I tried my damnedest to justify belief in an invisible being that intermittently intervenes with our world. But the more I tried, the less I could rationalize such beliefs. Starting with the answer and searching for the solution is not a good way to make sense of reality. There was a period of time that I felt intense shame for my blasphemous lack of beliefs, but in the end I couldn't convince myself

[@indigopines]

I'm glad you're better now, and that you found the truth ❤️

[@Zyrean7007]

He wants it to be more profound than biology and chemistry. But those things are in themselves amazing and mind blowing. And so some of us don't need to add this fantasy being on top of all that.

[@terranhealer]

I see so much beauty in the world it makes my eyes tear-up. I see so much carnage in the world I cry. I’ve never seen God or heard him even though I’ve searched.

[@indigopines]

Idk but I want to hang this comment on my wall. It sounds like poetry. Thank you for writing something so elegant and profound.

[@snaptrap5558]

Forrest: "Hello friend, lets have a discussion" Caller: "£@#% you and your show, I'm here to preach"

[@Noname-w7f1e]

I think about love the same way I think about movies: I know that what I’m experiencing when I’m watching a movie in a theatre is just an illusion brought up by fast switching images on the screen and a sound tuned to those images - that doesn’t prevent me from enjoying the said movie till the end! The same happens with love: my feelings are caused by chemicals in my brain firing in a certain pattern - doesn’t prevent me from enjoying this feeling!

[@aldobrezenti]

This is a great analogy! Thanks for sharing!

[@generichuman4881]

Forrest mike dropped the shit out of the conversation at the end when DNA was finally brought up. He's friggen awesome.

[@benf6822]

People are all about believing science until a scientist shows them that it doesn't mean what they think

[@tw3235]

My wife and I do GREAT WITHOUT GOD......51 YRS

[@brantsonoverton1367]

Yes, Satan will keep you comfortable until your temporary free will expires at your last gasp on earth. THEN, your sin will be sealed in your soul and you will go to hell for eternity. Why is hell so awful? One, it was created for satan and his demons. Secondly, because people don’t realize that hell is the absence of God. There’s no air in hell...because God is a breath of life. There is no peace in hell...because God is the prince of peace. There is no comfort in hell...because God is the comforter. There is no love in hell...because God is love. Hell is darkness...because God is the light. Hell is pretty much too graphic to mention. They attack your sex organs w/ spears if you were a fornicator or gay. They run spears up your butt & out your chest. I've heard that some are in a vat of acid with a lid on it, so you can't get out. Another has a boulder consistently crushing him. The fire is everywhere and millions just swim in lava for hundreds of yrs while screaming. YOU CANNOT AFFORD TO GET THIS WRONG. You don't have to go there! But there is only one way to escape it, and that is through salvation in the name of Jesus Christ. In Matthew 12:40, Jesus Christ says: "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly: so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the HEART OF THE EARTH. " The Bible is clear - Hell is inside the earth! You're guilty. You have sinned & sin = death. And God sent his son to pay for your sin via the cross. All you have to do is accept the fact that you need a savior & follow Jesus to heaven. But you refuse to be saved from hell, so you're going to hell. God’s goal is to reap the best of mankind from the earth, to present to his son that will return his son’s love by their own free will in Heaven for eternity. The best of mankind is called “The Bride of Christ.” We are commanded to "overcome" Satan, the world & the flesh to be in the number that goes to heaven via death or the Rapture of the Church. So far, you've been a fool. But you don't have to remain one. Let me help you. That's what I'm here for.

[@sammyall9091]

Ahmen

[@jesse86jesse]

So do we 💪

[@UlexiteTVStoneLexite]

My husband and I are doing so much better now that I got rid of god

[@Zephyrion__]

You don’t need God in order to love, just each other

[@alisonjones8861]

I flipping LOVE ❤️ Forrest and how he explains everything so specifically and scientifically in a way that absolutely refutes any religious belief. I'm so grateful that he and the other hosts of this show exist. They're my people.

[@kellercommunications]

Welcome to your people! We’re glad you found us!

[@dukeemzworth3005]

Belief is NOT a 'choice'. "A belief is not merely an idea the mind possesses ... it is an idea that possesses the mind” - Robert Oxton Bolton

[@triadmad]

Let's see. I was married at one time, and during the entire period I was married, I loved my wife, very much. For years before we met, and for the entirety of our marriage, I did not attend any church, and I did not pray to any of the gods, not even the baseball gods, in an effort to get my favorite team to play better. Meanwhile, after six years of marriage, she dumped me for someone who had the power to bring more money into her bank account, a guy who was a leader in his church, and was also married at the time. One of my faults, according to her, was that I wasn't Christian.

[@DrKlausTrophobie]

There is no love like christian love...

[@ragg232]

Sounds more like she developed a hobby for digging for gold.

[@benf6822]

@@ragg232 sounds like the Christian god if many churches are to be believed 😂

[@kinglyzard]

She is nothing but common trash. You are better off without her.

[@kellercommunications]

I’m sorry to hear that happened to you. But rest assured she was just grasping for a reason to justify cheating on you - god had nothing to do with it! I wonder how that church views adultery? Sounds like you’re better off without her.

[@terrencelockett4072]

It's crazy how they can believe you have free will, but also that your entire life has a purpose already created for you. There's pieces of their belief that kind of goes against the idea of free will.

[@golddddus]

3:30 A beautiful public declaration of love from Forrest to his wife. I'm going to copy it to my wife for Valentine's Day.👍

[@MankindDiary]

If you liked it, then you should try "You grew on me" & "If I didn't have you" by Tim Minchin. :)

[@flyguyry1]

40 year old virgin caller. Sad.

[@AlexPBenton]

First he says that we all have free will, and he immediately follows that up by asserting that the soul is what makes our decisions *for* us.

[@stefon815]

21:25 "while you sit here and judge me" the guy is absolutely brainwashed

[@samuelgaijin2565]

Faith in people, I look both ways on one way streets and SO DO YOU.

[@sdozer1990]

If one wishes to teach, one ought to be willing to learn.

[@Not_Nyx864]

I would have hung up after the first statement. Respect for both hosts patience.

[@brandontankersley8107]

Frank's entire call can be summed up when he started by telling them he's going to educate them on how wrong they are for being nonbelievers and then proceeds to say he's struggled with his faith all his life. He's always struggled to justify his blind faith and every question he dodges is shaking that "faith" even more. He's too stubborn to just let go of his *need for belief and live life free.

[@pansepot1490]

I think “he struggled” is just part of the pitch. Lots of apologists use the same trope “I used to be an atheist”. It’s a selling tactic as old as Christianity itself. Paul was the first to use it when he said he used to be a persecutor of Christians.

[@brandontankersley8107]

@pansepot1490 that's is a possibility, the old "I was once lost but now I'm found... AND YOU CAN BE TOO!"

[@kellydalstok8900]

@@pansepot1490 every christian who claims to have been an atheist should be questioned intensively on their upbringing, because there is most likely to have been some religious element to it.

[@Ian-ev5tg]

Turning water into wine. Rising from the dead. Parting the sea ....... seems like magic to me

[@markpetten9777]

My favourite comeback to those that espouse the belief you need belief in god to be a good person or do the right is that if you need the threat of eternal damnation to do what’s right or good, are you really a good person?

[@flyguyry1]

Is that a strawman argument?

[@gatorboymike]

Shithead: "You can't be happy or enjoy life unless you believe in my particular brand of hocus-pocus, and that's what it's all about!" Forrest: "Yes I can." Shithead: "Uh, well, being happy and enjoying life really isn't important anyway."

[@kinglyzard]

Sad but accurate.

[@miaomiaochan]

It's like the fable of the sour grapes.

[@prydeow9101]

"You think me, the guy with no understanding of how these things work, is the one who is missing something?" Lol yes Frank, your ignorance is causing you to not understand what love is

[@rafetizer]

Frank believes that since he's tacked on the "soul" part, his love is better.

[@thetalkingbear]

I used to believe that the only true wellspring of love was from an omnipotent God. Then I started to go to college and learn about biology and other things. I was exposed to new ideas. Now I feel we don't need an external source to be truly in love.

[@Awakened_Mucacha]

I always find it funny when they won't accept that they just believe in magic. Even though that is exactly what it is.

[@kyledadumb4354]

"God said 'let there be light!' and there was." Is literally describing their god saying a magic incantation. I guess cognitive dissonance can be pretty powerful? 🤷‍♂️

[@hakureikura9052]

Woulda been more awesome if god said something like "Lumos"

[@timothybrown5999]

“How dare you call what I believe in, magic. Also, my god pulled the entire universe out of his hat.”

[@derkylos]

@@hakureikura9052 Apparently, 'abracadabra' is quite similar to Hebrew phrases that translate to 'I create as I speak'. Take from that what you will...

[@FruityHachi]

funny thing is they think witchcraft is satanism 😂

[@modernorpheus]

Watching Forrest nerd out about a plant makes me appreciate flowers more.

[@trocarcat]

the fact that there are people who are unable to learn things, unable to understand things and unwilling to give up their stories for actual things astounds me.

[@TheZarcasm]

Have not watched the video yet but, yes! Yes we can.

[@tankfu1]

"I don't understand ANYTHING, but gosh darn it, I KNOW I'm right"

[@anthonymitchell9793]

OK...If you were playing "Apologist Arguments Bingo" everyone would have a winning card on this call.

[@iAtheist4Life]

Lmao

[@jayman94fly]

Forrest and Matt are now officially my favorites

[@brenthenderson3983]

We could love more, without God.

[@UlexiteTVStoneLexite]

I do. My marriage has vastly improved without god

[@MrCanis4]

yep, he loves us so much that in one moment in time, he drowned everyone and everything. that is definitely a sign of love.

[@TBomb39]

With god, people have hated a lot more than without.

[@AbsurdlyGeeky]

​@@TBomb39Israel has entered the chat.

[@james-cz4xx]

His arguments were like throwing limp pasta at the wall and hoping something sticks, but Forrest and Johnny have anti-stick walls, thank science.

[@MarkJones-zh3ho]

Great point.

[@alanhamilton3789]

Love that condescending, “God bless.” At the end.

[@garymiles484]

Apparently Frank drives singing "Jesus take the wheel"

[@iAtheist4Life]

Oh hell no.

[@edunlap6594]

He sounds like he has a "Jesus is My Co-Pilot" bumper sticker, haha!

[@infinitedragonbellyx.x]

One of the things that will always stick with me. My mom telling me when I was young, I will never know love until I know God. Even then, that really ticked me off. A big reason I never fell for religion🤢

[@rageofheaven]

I like how he tries to sneak in "God bless" a few times at the end.

[@ajclements4627]

“God bless” is so damn disingenuous, like “Bless his heart” in the Southern US.

[@TBomb39]

@@ajclements4627 It's not quite as bad as "I'll pray for you" but comes close. The young whippersnapper Technic certainly means it as a snide insult.

[@LaRossaSelvaggia]

“The beauty of reality.” Legend.

[@GalapagosPete]

That seems to be exactly what we’re doing, so I’m going to say yes.

[@Ms.Amylia_Clenny]

If you expanded these calls length from 20 minutes per call to 1 hour per call, you'd have less callers throughout the day, but you'd also make sure the callers have all the time they need to address the chosen topic , for us, the audience.

[@alanmiller7875]

I have to say that this was one of the better calls I've seen... often the hosts talk over the caller a lot, but this was a much nicer back and forth despite the caller having a problem with magical thinking and being offended at the idea that his thinking was in fact "magical."

[@kellydalstok8900]

Some callers just provide a wall of sound from a written script, because they just want to preach. It is perfectly acceptable for hosts to interrupt them and try to turn it into a conversation.

[@ACAB.forcutie]

"'I refuse to prove I exist' says god, 'for proof denies faith, and without faith, I am nothing'" -Douglas Adams

[@iAtheist4Life]

Love is just a feeling. I think a lot of people conflate love with care. Experiencing a feeling isn't a choice. Caring for someone (whether we like/love them or not), _is_ a choice. Can we *care* without a "god"? Yes.

[@secularidiot9052]

Care, compassion, morality in general, whatever you call it, it can and has existed without needing a god to tell us to be compassionate/moral/caring.

[@kaelibw34]

Who else knew exactly where that guy was trying to go at the end with his last question about male and female?

[@garyking9484]

Beware of adults with imaginary friends and gods that they worship and talk to daily.

[@garyking9484]

@@jaflenbond7854 , you still believe in Santa Claus too? My creators were my mother and father.

[@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2]

@@jaflenbond7854 roast spam.

[@ajclements4627]

@@jaflenbond7854 At least get a few more new chunks of copy paste, this is 2023 after all.

[@jaflenbond7854]

@@ajclements4627 ABOUT THE LIVES and EXISTENCE of LIARS, SLANDERERS, DECEIVERS, ARROGANT, CRUEL, MERCILESS, and HATEFUL HUMAN BEINGS on PLANET EARTH Arrogant, cruel, merciless, and hateful Christians, Atheists, Agnostics, JWs, Muslims, Catholics, Born Agains, SDAs, Mormons, Buddhists, Hindus, Baptists, Evangelicals, Pentecostals, all Religions who DECEIVE and trick their own families, friends, and neighbors to SLANDER the Creator, degrade the authority and teachings of his Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" as worthless and useless and spread throughout the world instead the LIES and foolishness of the enemies of Jesus Christ about "Armageddon", "hellfire", "rapture", "Trinity", and "reincarnation" are the liars, slanderers, and deceivers on planet earth who cause the sufferings, griefs, pains, sickness, and deaths of mankind including their own families, friends, and neighbors. ABOUT THE KINGDOM of GOD The "Kingdom of God" is the Creator's Rulership through his Christ that will put an end to all the Satanic arrogance, hatred, lies, deceptions, hypocrisies, cruelties, and foolishness of Satan's Atheism, Agnosticism, and Religious Fanaticism and ensures planet earth is safe, secure, and peaceful for all loving, kind, respectful, and submissive human beings who will be rewarded and honored with ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and deaths. ABOUT the RESURRECTION of the DEAD The "Resurrection of the Dead" is the Creator's guarantee to all loving, kind, respectful, and submissive human beings that they will not remain and just be worthless and useless dusts on earth forever after their deaths, instead, in his own right time, he will let Jesus Christ resurrect them back to life together with all loving, kind, respectful, and submissive human beings who died even thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, King David, the Christ's believers, and many others so they can live and exist again on a safe, secure, and peaceful earth as submissive and obedient subjects of the "Kingdom of God" or "His Kingdom" and fully enjoy his and his Christ's eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity under the loving rulership, guidance, and protection of his Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth, his Christ.

[@jaflenbond7854]

@@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 The Creator and his Christ are oppose and against the Satanic lies, hatred, arrogance, deceptions, hypocrisies, cruelties, and foolishness of Satan's Atheism, Agnosticism, and Religious Fanaticism Arrogant, cruel, merciless, and hateful Atheists, Agnostics, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, all Religions are oppose and against the Creator's Sovereignty and his Christ's TRUTHS and righteousness about the Kingdom of God and Resurrection of the Dead ABOUT THE KINGDOM of GOD The "Kingdom of God" is the Creator's Rulership through his Christ that will put an end to all the Satanic arrogance, hatred, lies, deceptions, hypocrisies, cruelties, and foolishness of Satan's Atheism, Agnosticism, and Religious Fanaticism and ensures planet earth is safe, secure, and peaceful for all loving, kind, respectful, and submissive human beings who will be rewarded and honored with ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and deaths. ABOUT the RESURRECTION of the DEAD The "Resurrection of the Dead" is the Creator's guarantee to all loving, kind, respectful, and submissive human beings that they will not remain and just be worthless and useless dusts on earth forever after their deaths, instead, in his own right time, he will let Jesus Christ resurrect them back to life together with all loving, kind, respectful, and submissive human beings who died even thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, King David, the Christ's believers, and many others so they can live and exist again on a safe, secure, and peaceful earth as submissive and obedient subjects of the "Kingdom of God" or "His Kingdom" and fully enjoy his and his Christ's eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity under the loving rulership, guidance, and protection of his Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth, his Christ.

[@taramahoney3998]

You find your own purpose in life. It isn't given to you like an assignment.

[@theweirdo61]

Frank is so convinced of his ignorance/stupidity it's remarkable!

[@johnd.shultz7423]

The mind poison of Utter Dependency on Absolute Certainty...

[@eensio]

The ethics needs updating all the time: we know more and more about the reality. We learn more and more about nature. We learn more about ourselves. Concerning ethics we must look forwards - not backwards.

[@KuroKitsune101]

This conversation has the energy of watching someone play a super difficult song on guitar hero, listening as they miss all the notes, the sounds of them fumbling the guitar and the game booing you

[@MarkJones-zh3ho]

They should take note eh😅

[@highdough2712]

It’s amazing how condescending he became whenever anything he said was questions, despite the fact he literally had no answers himself.

[@bcaskanette]

Thanks for trying to break Frank's brain! :)

[@drg8687]

It was already broken.

[@bcaskanette]

@@drg8687 🤣🤣🤣

[@kidslovesatan34]

@@bcaskanette I would have preferred his neck.

[@bcaskanette]

@@kidslovesatan34 I assume you are most likely joking... but not cool.

[@kidslovesatan34]

@@bcaskanette No, funny and true. His call was uncool.

[@NoGodsJustMetal]

I wasn't able to properly appreciate the wonder and majesty of the cosmos and everything in it until leaving religious magical thinking and learning what science actually says about reality.

[@verbosedy9947]

I'm 45 seconds in and getting some popcorn. This will be good.

[@MarkJones-zh3ho]

Frank,pop corny eh😅

[@TheVallin]

When the Computer analogy came up I was in awe of the chance to explain something that was passed up here. Frank mentioned understanding all the components of the computer and how they work together. Understanding a system and all it's parts is important. If something goes wrong, we know how to repair it. We have a bigger appreciation for the things we understand as we understand not only the how but the why and even the need of the thing. If we just said that the Computer works via God and it breaks down.. Prayer most likely isn't going to do as good a job as a Repairman. You might get lucky, bumping the machine may wiggle a wire just right to get the thing working again for a time. You may atribute that act to God and create a whole ritual around it. But it's only because you don't understand what's going on behind the scenes that you would attribute that small action to a God in the first place.

[@curbroadshow]

That would be an excellent response 👏

[@billmorash3322]

I have never seen or heard a better description of love. I can only assume this was the best thing your wife has heard on the internet.

[@joshkresnik6402]

“Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?” Douglas Adams

[@sdv73168]

So for example this guy would be ok putting a man in prison for life simply because his faith was enough to convince him the man committed the crime?! Unbelievable! That's why we need evidence Einstein! 😂

[@miaomiaochan]

Unbelievable, but sadly not uncommon. Just ask all those who've been unjustly imprisoned because police, the jury, the public, etc. were so sure they were guilty.

[@afroatheist-isnowafroantit6154]

Forrest, that was amazing......truly amazing.

[@EAMorgan71]

Frank came in confident and arrogant but got humbled quickly

[@MarkJones-zh3ho]

Yes to be frank😅

[@petrlorenc7230]

Thank you for this, Forrest. Like really: thank you.

[@wizardsuth]

10:49 "I think it's important to have faith." -- Why? Faith is not a reliable guide to truth. Christians believe there is one god. Hindus believe there are many gods. These are mutually exclusive beliefs, so at least one of them must be wrong. Both are accepted on faith. Therefore, faith is used to justify false beliefs. If you care about what is actually true, you must reject faith as a justification for belief.

[@Mkeusquealbby]

Christians have a knack for thinking they're the only ones who can experience good things. My sister recently said that only christians can have joy because joy comes from god, everyone else simply has happiness, which is temporary

[@cjgroves4429]

Your sister is clearly a sociopath.

[@dandotvid]

You cannot choose to believe something. There is absolutely no way to do that. What I think happens with people that say this is they're "choosing" to believe in something they don't actually believe. They're trying to fool themselves into thinking what they want to believe, but really don't, is true.

[@dalecs47]

"You must believe in my religion without question. You must do what I tell you to do without question. You must live your life the way I tell you to live yet NEVER question the way I live my life or anything that I do. You must give me money."

[@jewellevy]

Recently a friend said "I like to keep an open mind. I don't reject something just because there's no evidence." Lol

[@wwlib5390]

@jewellevy - does anyone have sufficient evidence for firm, belief when they first begin seeking God with the serious and humble intention of finding truth, one way or other? Even tho God put evidence of Himself in Creation, kudos to your friend - He hasn't shut His mind to any incoming gifts from God. "A closed mind is a dying mind." (unknown). Those who do seek with all their heart, mind, strength and soul will find Him - and the unbelievable gift found in John 3 16 opens the package to the greatest treasure of all.

[@MrMarcusIndia]

@@wwlib5390 Really? Your magic skydaddy put evidence of himself in "creation" did he? Hm, you have evidence that the universe was created do you? Can't wait to hear it. We'll get your Nobel Prize all polished up and ready. Or are these just more meaningless and baseless assertions from the homophobic Ms "John 3:16"?

[@exceptionallyaverage3075]

@@wwlib5390 superstitious nonsense.

[@chriswebster839]

@@wwlib5390 so "look at the trees" all over again basically.

[@TBomb39]

@@wwlib5390 Oh my. You've really made the rounds this morning. But, what's this? You've replaced the word "invitation" with "unbelievable" You do know what unbelievable means, yes? You're literally calling John 3 16 unbelievable.

[@Freqsheux]

The very notion that to understand something on a deeper level makes it underappreciated just baffles me. The ability to understand the chemical makeup of emotion, or the physical structure of a plants morphology and the evolutionary history leading up to it gives me a stronger appreciation of it. It's like saying "Things can't be beautiful unless they're mysterious enough for us to makeup stories about them" that's just a depressingly limited worldview.

[@USS_Sentinel]

When I was with my ex, I loved her. Genuinely, deeply loved her. There was no god involved. There was no soul (in the religious sense) involved. I don't need a god to love anyone or anything. And I am CERTAINLY not loving an invisible sky fairy more than actual people.

[@johnd.shultz7423]

Believe me, its a Lot harder to love humans with all of our real faults than projecting an idea of "love" towards an unseen cosmic daddy...

[@USS_Sentinel]

@@johnd.shultz7423 But the Christian version of love is soooooo fucked up.

[@immu1981]

I've called TO TEACH I dont wanna get into that. Trust me bro, now lemme TEACH

[@brianmonks8657]

I'm surprised the hosts let him say that atheists are not human without saying anything... "Faith is a very important aspect of the human experience, not the atheist experience, the human experience."

[@gullyfoyle3253]

As soon as Frank started and the Messrs Angel and Valkai started nodding in the same rhythm, smiling. That's awesome! Great clip!

[@themanbrodude]

Can’t believe he called your answer “simplistic” compared to him not having the answer and inserting a deity with zero explanation

[@marlin6668]

Johnny Angel and Forrest are dynamic.

[@drg8687]

Short answer, yes. Long answer, yes.

[@benf6822]

I was really hoping the long answer would be yyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeessssss

[@stephenroberts2526]

I'm coming up on the IDL... Jesus take the wheel!

[@queezle4277]

Frank came in hot thinking he was on some higher ground. Didn't take long for him to get bitchslapped by logic and science as delivered by Forrest

[@lylez00]

Loving a person is very different from loving the way that person makes you feel.