Atheism is a Lie? | Mike - San Jose, CA | Atheist Experience 23.06

The Atheist Experience episode 23.06 for February 10, 2019, with Matt Dillahunty and Don Baker.
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[@misterid1075]

"The theist would choose ignorance..." Matt: "IM VERY WELL AWARE OF THAT." The last 20 years were leading up to this and it was worth it.

[@kentonbaird878]

The sheer catharsis of that line was legendary, like he's been holding that one back for a decade.

[@pretzelogic2689]

WOW! Did that dude really just say that? Out loud where people can hear him? AMAZING!!!

[@RB-zh1eq]

One of the best lines on the show ever.

[@gurgleblaster2282]

That had me dying. This video about sums up my thoughts on the subject ROFL

[@richarddunhilliii4540]

The atheist has been reduced to a group of people making fun of theists, how is that any less ignorant.

[@hardheadjarhead]

Nobody with any intellectual integrity could watch this show for a year and remain a theist.

[@VestigialHead]

@heber moreno Yes I agree that fundamentalists do not care about logic or reason. But that does not mean that Steve would be surprised by that. Steve said that nobody with any intellectual integrity could watch this show and remain a theist. I agree that many Christians could watch this show for years and not lose their theistic beliefs. But they do NOT have intellectual integrity. So they do not contradict Steve's statement. Not having intellectual integrity is a major need for being a fundamentalist. Lack of education would be another. So there would be some people who were unfortunate enough to be poorly educated and indoctrinated in religion from a young age that DO have intellectual integrity. They would no longer be theists after a year of this show. The people that remain theists after a year of this show have NO intellectual integrity.

[@VestigialHead]

@heber moreno All good Heber. You probably did not contradict Steve but I felt as though you misunderstood his point. I have this tendency to want to correct errors when I see them. Sometimes when I do this I can annoy people. So sorry if you felt I was to aggressive with my correction. Your points were correct about fundamentalists. They take the FUN out of being MENTAL. :)

[@ignatiusj.reilly1197]

Fuckin' eh dude, how 'bout it.

[@defiance1790]

I disagree. One could watch this show strictly to understand Atheism and their concept of logic. Which I would agree makes a lot of sense. However, the main case of an atheist is “I haven’t seen enough evidence therefore I don’t believe”. If one were to have experienced more than enough evidence to believe that God does in fact exist, then there is no way the person is going to change their mind just because they keep hearing from Matt “I don’t have enough evidence”.

[@VestigialHead]

@@defiance1790 Not true in the slightest. Most Atheists would certainly believe in a God if sufficient evidence was provided. By sufficient evidence I mean quality evidence that is peer reviewed and then replicated multiple times and no holes found in the hypothesis. It would have to be extraordinary evidence as it is an extraordinary claim. So hearing some voice claim "I AM GOD - BELIEVE IN ME OR BURN" would in no way be sufficient evidence. Could easily be the work of humans faking it. You need to realise most Atheists do not base their beliefs on what anyone says. They base them on what has solid evidence and what does not. So it would not matter what Matt was saying - if the evidence is strong then Atheists would become Theists. If the God that was proven was the God of the Bible then I doubt that a lot of Atheists would worship this God though. The God of the Bible is a horrendously negative vindictive and self conscious tyrant not worthy of praise.

[@joeykiller]

The only lie: "I'll let Don answer and decide when to hang up"

[@samchoate1719]

joeykiller yes

[@accuratealloys]

Good one.

[@steevrawjers]

joeykiller lol classic

[@rebelrouzer5318]

Every time

[@merikijiya13]

He tried 😆

[@markwoods4439]

Oh my, this guy said it,”It’s better to be ignorant”, that pretty much sums up believers.

[@atheistechoes9594]

That sums up my whole family

[@fritzhaselnuss7852]

always a difference between people who "dont care" about the answers and those who actively try to twist reality into a version that allows god

[@dylanflyyn9693]

@@atheistechoes9594 same especially my mother

[@toe2toe22]

another word for these 'believers' is 'dupes' or 'fools'.

[@markwoods4439]

@james sefcak But they don’t mind being fools for Christ🙄

[@aluk2408]

So God doesn't want us to know he exists, but if we don't worship him we're going to hell.

[@philojudaeusofalexandria9556]

... A game of hide and seek. Where the hider is omnipotent and you as a mortal have up to 100 years to find his mysterious ass. After that he shows up and tortures you for eternity as punishment for losing the game.

[@markwoods4439]

S Robin Why should anyone believe in scripture and especially yours because you do?!

[@carljohnson3434]

@@pokerman9108 I'd rather live in a realm of D&D then this reality. At the very least it would be far more interesting.

[@carljohnson3434]

@@pokerman9108 All you have is the cosmos where as in the realm of D&D you have Multiverses and Multi-Dimensions. The Cosmos are far more interesting in the Realm of D&D. Only a simple mind would suggest our Reality is more interesting then what the mind can imagine. Pfft. Where are those flying cars that we were promised? Shame on you.

[@carljohnson3434]

@@pokerman9108 agree to disagree then, because the cosmos are only "spooky" as you put it because for what we already know, we know absolutely nothing about the cosmos. With our imagination we wouldn't have the frailty we have today. Imagination > reality You may think flying cars are stupid but they are not. Flying cars would open a whole new world of technologies. We just don't have the right tech to make it happen effectively. No exploration , no advancement.

[@reza1717s]

"we theists choose ignorance," that was priceless,

[@Colin12475]

Credit for honesty.

[@kinkosho7698]

Did he just say theist choose ignorance?😂🤣😅😄🤪🤯

[@PaulBrown-uj5le]

@@kinkosho7698 yes that's true, theists choose ignorance every time because their ignorant.

[@sherribhl5626]

We theists choose ignorance???? Well..... I would rather choose ignorance then choose to be an atheist and wished I had made a better choice.

[@kinkosho7698]

@@sherribhl5626 pascals wager is not a good reason to believe

[@mikekohary1075]

"The theist would choose ignorance..." "I'm very well aware of that." One of the best and truest exchanges EVER on this show. :)

[@danyDesigns]

11:15 for the full part

[@damianedwards2327]

God is the existence of Love

[@damianedwards2327]

God is the existence of Love. Everyone believes Love exists.

[@teamatfort444]

@@damianedwards2327 you should call into the show with that premise

[@damianedwards2327]

@@teamatfort444 i've thought about it. but i doubt it will be beneficial. I learn a lot from atheists. But rather than people admitting the importance of following Love in life, a wall will be created by any means necessary. To protect the show. the thing is i do believe there are flaws in christianity. since flawed humans are the ones who try to control and minister the existence of Love. but i don't think the show will admit and humble the same realities about Following Love as a leader. If so, the host wouldn't have a job.

[@psychlos21]

Matt Dillahunty is a surgeon that is able to carefully dissect an argument and leave the recipient scrambling to put the parts back in place. He slayed it.

[@markklippenberg7364]

Except he said REPEATEDLY that he was going to stfu and, once again, failed completely.

[@petermeichan3160]

@@markklippenberg7364 and we're glad he didin't

[@acason4]

@@markklippenberg7364 That’s a non sequitur to his refutation. 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@amentia666]

To say that atheism is a lie, is the same as the following: Person A: "I have a baseball bat made of gold" Person B: "I don't believe you" Person A: "You are lying" Person B: "???"

[@calebmauer1751]

Pastor C: Profit

[@rapsheet7580]

Stein Erik Booysen Ulekleiv I actually have a$2.00 bill in my wallet. a co-worker who is a smartass comes up with if you can prove to me a $2.00 bill exists I will believe everything you say. so I pull out my $2.00 bill and say, now what.

[@rapsheet7580]

Stein Erik Booysen Ulekleiv atheism comes from the father of all lies- the Father of all lies is none other than Satan himself. there is no truth in him.

[@calebmauer1751]

@@rapsheet7580 The problem with the $2 bill analogy is it's not an extraodinary claim. For a God to exist in the universe would go against what we've observed of the natural world throughout history. Someone putting the number 2 on money isn't hard to believe at all, especially when it's documented that the US did make $2 bills. Even if you said a $47.36 bill, that's still millions of times more likely to exist than God, simply because it's something that could have been created in ways consistent with nature. I mean you can even picture people doing it. Regarding the whole Satan thing, I don't remember him telling me any lies. How do you know Santa even exists?

[@rapsheet7580]

Caleb Mauer you asked me how do I know Santa exists, don't you mean Satan??? by the way, Satan Santa Natas astan are all the same thing.

[@FutureAbe]

A group of people make up the biggest lie in history, and call us liars for questioning it.

[@fredworthmn]

I wish I knew how to say things as succinct as you did here!

[@didjargo]

Of course because part of their lie states that those who do not believe the claim are liars... circular reasoning at its finest.

[@ericjohnson6665]

I don't think they knew they were lying... of course the priests' job is to sell the Bible, and justify their existence at the same time, so yeah, the "infallibility of the Bible" was and is definitely a lie. But the apostles were honestly trying to spread the gospel as they understood it... unfortunately they switched from spreading the gospel of Jesus (the Kingdom of Heaven is within), to the gospel about Jesus--after his crusafixtion (believe in his resurrection and be saved)--because they were so excited. That was a fatal blunder. Sorry, but it's slack cutting time...

[@mistersippi2945]

@@ericjohnson6665 You make a fair point. However I don’t think people should get slack for still believing after all these years, and using the religion to make life difficult for others. Not everything Jesus said was good, and when he’s talking about “Love thy neighbor”, he’s only mentioning other Christians. If you didn’t want him to “reign over you” he said that they should be “brought before him and slain”. You can say it’s metaphorical all you want but it makes it clear he didn’t want non-believers to be treated the same.

[@dougstockman8944]

They are jawslacked that someone could read their book and not come to the conclusion it is true

[@skevoid]

To say "atheism is a lie" means that your understanding of the word is SO poor that you are literally unable to properly use it in a sentence.

[@princesstamika]

when he was asked if he knew the meaning of the word atheist he hesitated.

[@pollypockets508]

@Bob Rabbins Not all of them

[@dx1450]

It's painfully obvious he came to the show with the understanding that atheism = "There is no god."

[@merikijiya13]

English is hard sometimes.

[@mysteryh7174]

Atheist: "I'm not convinced a god exists." Theist: "No you aren't! " Imagine believing the entire universe was made just for you and insisting those that don't agree are arrogant?

[@rje024]

Well, my ego leads me to believe I am the center of the universe. Therefore, God exists to grant me the attention I need to feel worthy.

[@devaxionrl8189]

And why not

[@devaxionrl8189]

Why can’t it be? Because of the size? Ok so we have to use scalar objectivity to solve your philosophical dilemma

[@tyrionlannister3459]

@@devaxionrl8189 Because of the lack of evidence that supports the idea itself.

[@hellohandsome9875]

@@devaxionrl8189 you ever think that if God exists what a right pigs ear he made of this planet? First, he makes 70% of it filled with salt water the we can't drink, then he makes what we term as the poles, not fit for human habitation, much like the other extreme where its unbearably hot, then he gives us earthquakes, monsoons, volcanic eruptions, hurricanes, tsunami's, then he gives us any number of horrific killer deseases,,,,, not much of a planet designer, is he?

[@staytuned9320]

Mike : I have a million dollars in my back yard. Me: I don't believe you show me Mike: why are you lying. You know you believe me

[@mikenedelcu3682]

Perfect

[@davegonnaway6007]

You'll have a bunch of Christians looking for a million dollars in your back yard now

[@sherrib4168]

@@davegonnaway6007 I had a neighborhood who told me he had 500,000.00 dollars buried in his backyard, I said, mmh, and I have a yacht in my attick. He proved what he said to be true, I couldn't.

[@davegonnaway6007]

@@sherrib4168 cool send me 1million in the post lol

[@sherrib4168]

@@davegonnaway6007 well, I can't, it's not my money to give to you in any post.

[@nsignific]

"Let's set up a court, where God is accused of existing, and you have to prove that beyond a reasonable doubt." "First, produce the defendant" - Matt Dilahunty, 2019

[@TheTruthKiwi]

I wish Matt would've let him say what his "evidence" was

[@trungtran61]

Genius! Matt, if you didn't swear so much, I'd worship you!!!

[@kazoosc]

@@TheTruthKiwi except he said there was no evidence

[@antediluvianatheist5262]

@@kazoosc there is none that withstands scrutiny.

[@rapsheet7580]

nsignific I don't have to prove to an atheist the existence of God, if they don't believe GOD exists that's not my problem. it says whosoever believeth in him. whosoever means anyone who will.

[@deathwrenchcustom]

"I'm gonna let Don talk. Not right now, but soon. No, still not yet. Actually I will never let Don Talk. Don, do you have anything- oh, that's all the time we have. Great job, Don."

[@thedonglekhan5448]

He can’t even help it, it’s like Tourettes.

[@louiscyfer6944]

we are much better off that don doesn't talk. when he does, it is painful. like when he does his monologues, and stutteres through them because he can't read fluently. he is a nice guy, a smart guy, i like him, but talking is not his forte.

[@sylvainbeausejour]

It indeed unfortunate that Matt interrupts the caller so much before he has time to finish his thoughts. Even more unfortunate that he has a co-host and never lets him express his point of view. Why have a co-host then?

[@littlewoodimp]

Poor guy doesn't get the chance to practice sitting next to Matt though!

[@anonymousstormchaser]

@@littlewoodimp Don hosts sometimes without Matt.

[@macmcdermid8677]

"Theists choose ignorance" yep we agree, and Mike is massive proof of this!

[@tomschmidt381]

I'm still waiting to hear why atheism is a lie.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

That's one way of looking at it. But if we could find a way to be less solipsist about the topic?

[@chrissonofpear1384]

Then is there a guiding program for it? Or are we likely to have further wars and dogmas spring up around it?

[@chrissonofpear1384]

Yes - but WHY? Is that SUPPOSED to happen, or NOT? Are WE to prevent it, or is there a higher power? How Gnostic should this get? Full demiurge?

[@johnmcclure40]

@Tyler Wilson. Can you give evidence for your position?

[@nickolasgaspar9660]

@Tyler Wilson That which is....is what it is...and it doesn't need a supernatural story to provide a magical explanation. Atheism rejects the claim saying that there is an undetectable "IS" with properties of an intelligent agent, responsible for things existing. Theism is not WRONG or Impossible. It is irrational, unparsimonious, its not sufficient or necessary,, it ignores the rules set by the Null Hypothesis thus it ignores the default position, Its is unfalsiiable thus it ignores the Demarcation criteria and it doesn't met its burden of proof. So Theism is NOT EVEN WRONG....its an empty, useless speculation when viewed outside a dogma with a comforting role.

[@arsimckhoi]

We need to teach logic in middle school through high school.

[@robertlight5227]

I would start in Grade One.

[@arsimckhoi]

@@robertlight5227 agreed

[@Rob-jh3eo]

@@robertlight5227 Unfortunately religious nut job parents have already poisoned their kids minds with religious bulshit before they even get to school age.

[@TBfan4ever1]

That and critical thinking - knowing how to evaluate the validity of a claim before accepting it as true. If that could be taught to children before they became indoctrinared there would be no religion.

[@matthewtandy2698]

Some people don't pay attention in school and it only takes 1 irrational person to cause a chain reaction of misinformation.

[@SpaceCattttt]

"Hey there, little girl. Tell me, do you believe in Santa Claus?" "No, I don't. I used to when I was really little, but not anymore." "YOU'RE A LIAR!! A LIARRRR!!!!! YOU DO BELIEVE IN SANTA CLAUS!!! YOU DOOOO!!!!"

[@reasonablespeculation3893]

teppolungren .. good point.... Even if Santa did exist, if a person did not believe he existed, that person would not be a liar.

[@SpaceCattttt]

@@reasonablespeculation3893 Religious people who believe, aren't liars. There are plenty of people who use religion for financial gain, and whether they believe or not, one can speculate about. But belief in of itself isn't a lie. It's just very very stupid.

[@sheezamann2724]

@@SpaceCattttt ISN'T It funny how christians stand by this god...and MAKE UP stories about him, her or it........making up stories about one thing or the other..is .......in fact.........................................LYING

[@SpaceCattttt]

@@sheezamann2724 Yeah, so why don't you tell that to a Christian rather than an Atheist?

[@sheezamann2724]

@@SpaceCattttt i really don't remember why i made that comment..BUT----i think---it was supporting your original statement.....have a great day

[@williest1]

'The Theists would choose ignorance" - Sums up the entire religious experience!

[@JamesRichardWiley]

It is difficult to keep a god delusion going. But it's easy to let go. Especially when nothing happens.

[@durv13]

no actually faith sums up religion . faith = believing in something you cant see cant hear cant describe cant prove , but youd die believing it anyway , no2w thats a dangerous thing to have

[@damianedwards2327]

God is the existence of Love. Everyone believes Love exists.

[@damianedwards2327]

@Jesse Schoedel well you're athiest so you would have no idea how to explain God. But Love is the invisible force that is the Source and Motivation for everything you do. Even your comment to me. If not.. you wouldn't have cared. And Love must be followed. Because it is also the Judge. God is the same exact definition

[@snipercow861]

Damien u do realize most atheist where religious once right? And no love isn’t a invisible force it’s an emotion

[@Lupinemancer87]

I love it when Theists think they know what Atheism is about, then gets shut down.

[@ysf-psfx]

Don is such a good fellow. I love his agreeableness and lack of ego. I strive to be more like Don.

[@yichen1273]

Psuffix this world rewards aggressiveness though

[@merikijiya13]

Yi Chen you got a point Yi Chen, you got a good point there.

[@giodc8599]

@@yichen1273 Well, Matt has been on the show for some time and it sucks to hear the same old shit over and over and over. Some calls might as well be pranks so i don't blame him one bit.

[@scipioafricanus5871]

The Don with the lack of ego is the Don best suited to its Matt-dominated environment. Don has evolved to be the co-host of The Atheist Experience.

[@philipcarrigan4352]

Yeah I reckon he's a decent fella too.

[@mcarp555]

Theism has to be exhausting, since you're continually having to relocate your goalposts...

[@dinofacedindividual9462]

David Anewman So how do you explain the multiple versions of the Bible that have and do exist?

[@stevehill353]

My brother is a Christian the translations are different and if you compare verses there is a difference depending on what manuscripts they translate from

[@dinofacedindividual9462]

David Anewman Doesn't that literally disprove your point though? You just admitted that the Bible changes

[@portlyoldman]

David Anewman - agreed, it's always been nonsense.

[@drg8687]

@David Anewman you are a moron

[@joshodom9046]

I think Matt could have made this easy: Matt: "Do you believe in fairies?" Caller: "No" Matt: "So... you're lying? How is it different from what you're claiming?"

[@kenelliott8944]

@@welcometohell7889 Really? You're just here to slander gay folks? No substantive thinking?? Grow up, dude!!!

[@geoffallshorn5167]

I thought the same about not believing in Santa Claus.

[@wizardsuth]

Technically atheism is a declarative statement, namely "I am not convinced that any gods exist". It's only a lie if the person isn't an atheist.

[@merikijiya13]

Wizard Suth I guess I couldn’t really know if someone’s lying or not. Or what if they’re lying to themselves.

[@jymbo1969]

If we assume that theists are theists (and not lying about it), then it is reasonable to assume that atheists are not theists (and are not lying about it).

[@jymbo1969]

@Izuku Midoriya Deku Nonsense. The only declaration in atheism is "I am unconvinced gods exist." Atheism is this: a lack of belief in the existence of God or gods. Theism is the belief one or more gods exist, and atheism is simply not having theism. As Wizard Suth said, "It's only a lie if the person isn't an atheist." Otherwise, atheism is necessarily true. Am I categorically declaring gods do not exist? No. First off, I have no idea what a god even is, and second I don't know if anything I'd call a "god" does in fact exist somewhere in space and time. I don't believe in anything supernatural, so a magic miracle god is not something I can believe in; same with a tri-omni god, since such a thing is logically impossible. I am an agnostic atheist. Your statement about belief in nonbelief is absurd. Also one does not need any evidence to not believe any premise. However, a lack of evidence for a premise is evidence in support of the null hypothesis... And if the null hypothesis has not been falsified (with evidence), it is premature to rationally believe the premise. Which is to say, the time to believe in gods is when there is sufficient evidence to warrant such a belief.

[@truerealrationalist]

It's impossible to know whether or not an atheist is lying when he makes this statement because an "absence" of belief cannot be substantiated.

[@PronatorTendon]

@@truerealrationalist Aren't beliefs insubstantial?

[@hhvictor2462]

"Atheism is a lie" is out there with 'up is down,' 'war is peace', 'slavery is freedom' etc...

[@nugasred4484]

Yeah, no it ain't.

[@nic12344]

Nah, it's more akin to "black is colorful" or "death is wholesome"...

[@cgme7076]

Those all have different meanings, so I don't agree. "War is peace" -- this is saying (among other things) "war is a necessary evil" "Slavery is freedom" -- brainwashing the working class. This is similar to nazi (I refuse to write that word as a pronoun) propaganda. "Atheism is a lie" -- a statement that has to do with semantics over what the definition of "atheism" and "lie" is.

[@kevinlitton1399]

Better watch out posting "slavery is freedom". I think christianity has a trademark on that phrase.

[@Robbie32]

It's more akin to saying that not collecting stamps is a hobby.

[@ElCatrinMuerto]

"The theist would choose ignorance" Gold Jerry Gold

[@JamesRichardWiley]

The atheist must also admit ignorance which is a lack of knowledge. The theist claims to know what the atheist does not know. Hitchens

[@troyhunte2259]

That's a shame

[@rossatron2050]

Why do they call it Ovaltine? The mug is round; the jar is round... they should call it Roundtine.

[@SNORKYMEDIA]

​@@rossatron2050 it was originally called Ovomaltine...(It came from Switzerland) It got changed to Ovaltine when it came to Britain

[@MrAtomicDon]

If God exists, he laughs like Don.

[@kolossimike]

When theists make plans, Don laughs.

[@Irving3805]

I don't give a rats ass!!

[@strawberryfields9762]

I’d love to see THAT😂

[@durv13]

if god exists , he'd be an atheist

[@damianedwards2327]

God is the existence of Love. Everyone believes Love exists.

[@MrKit9]

40 years of christianity led me to Atheism. I wasted so much time studying religion and using blind faith.

[@sophonax661]

Remarkable that you were able to get out of this mental prison after such a long time. Congrats :)

[@philojudaeusofalexandria9556]

Yes, truly remarkable. It was hard enough for me after 30 to 35 years. Quite the feat. 'Intelligent people only have a certain amount of time (measured in subjective time spent thinking about religion) to become atheists. After a certain point, if you're smart, have spent time thinking about and defending your religion, and still haven't escaped the grip of the “Dark Side” (apologists) the inside of your mind ends up like an MC Escher painting from which there is no escape. ' Eliezer Yudkowsky

[@g59tothegrave]

“yOu wEreNt a tRuE chRiStiAn”

[@MrKit9]

@@g59tothegrave But you aren't a true human, intelligent human being.

[@kcdad2806]

Why do irrational people, with irrational beliefs, try to make rational arguments?

[@ottonormalverbrauch3794]

It is attractive for them to try and fit their square religion in a round logical hole because logic has brought us so much tangible and they want to take part in that.

[@stevewebber707]

That sounds a bit like the Dunning Kruger effect. If a person lacks the rationality to understand their state of irrationality, a mass of many different results can follow with little resemblance to rationality. It isn't bad that they are attempting to be rational. It's more that we wish that they were more successful at it.

[@coletrickle1775]

They don't understand what reason is.

[@OverlordShamala]

First time I hear a good little Christian admitting they prefer ignorance.

[@kravenbludd]

It's even in Genesis. The whole thing about the forbidden fruit is that knowledge is bad.

[@JanetStarChild]

@Nathan El You're fighting a losing battle. Christianity is on its last legs in this current century. People are getting too smart for theist bullshit.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

It was knowledge of good and bad, in earlier translations, a vague concept. Keeping it vague enough allows philosophical deepity, I guess - but not much definite knowledge.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

Possibly, but why - when the new questions were actually coming up in the FIRST PLACE, was there no intervention or public position put forward by God? Not by Churches, which struggle to muster a CONSISTENT response - although that also, could feasibly have been done...

[@chrissonofpear1384]

Belatedly, we have 'gap theory' by some claimants, but when linguists bring up how Genesis appears to be two accounts combined in alternative verses, the conversation seems to stop.

[@RakeshPatel-zh7ds]

Me: "Do you believe in Zeus?" Mike: "No" Me: "Are you lying?" Mike: "No" Me: "yes you are"

[@stephenland9361]

This is what happens when someone thinks they have the ability to make a good argument when they clearly don't have that ability.

[@rickkernell2486]

Anyone who thinks that they can out argue Mat is deluded. He is always incredibly prepared...

[@wunnell]

He chose ignorance and achieved arrogance by accident.

[@damianedwards2327]

God is the existence of Love. Everyone believes Love exists.

[@wunnell]

@@damianedwards2327 , Poe's Law is in effect here because I can't tell whether you're making a terribly stupid argument or making fun of a terribly stupid argument. If it's the latter, congratulations. If it's the former, you're terribly stupid. In case it is the former, that is complete bullshit. Firstly, not everyone does believe that love exists, depending on your definitions. Love is not an entity that exists separately from those who feel it. Love is simply an effect of brain chemistry and physical processes. You're just choosing to apply the label "god" to something else for your own convenience when it adds nothing. Love doesn't create universes, answer prayers or any of the other things that people claim that a god does. We may as well apply the label "god" to hunger or anxiety or the need to go to the toilet.

[@ivanjelenic5627]

You mean, they're ignorant AND arrogant? Shocker!

[@rawhideleather]

If anyone listens to enough of these shows you will come to realize that there is an obvious pattern here which is... most of these Theist callers don't sound very intelligent.

[@alim3611]

Oh say that again

[@kingrobert1st]

They usually get owned in the first few seconds after making a preposterous statement. I have yet to see one come out on top and make the hosts beg for submission!

[@robp2253]

They sound more desperate to me. Desperate to reinforce their belief system. For some reason they require validation that they are correct from others. Real faith in the existence of god would not require it. It makes me think that they are actually closet atheists and do not want to face that truth.

[@nosuchthing8]

Hmm. Perhaps they are fairly intelligent but are overwhelmed. I think Matt's IQ must be around 180.

[@robp2253]

@@nosuchthing8 I know he scares me and I pretty much agree with him!😜

[@Lexx1976]

Literally every caller: starts stuttering after a few minutes into the call

[@davidsmith4416]

Yes, and they usually end up contradicting themselves.

[@thevioletbee5879]

There are things to criticize, but that is not one of them. Not everyone is a perfect speaker.

[@ether6136]

@oops I dont think that was the original point. What you said is a modification.

[@JoeZUGOOLA]

I don't think stuttering is a sign of having a bad argument, most people would be nervous entering a debate

[@peli_candude554]

That's because every caller is a plant and it makes them look good. If they even begin to make a point Matt controls the call with cross talk or cuts them off in an angry rant. This is not good format unless you want to appear to be smart. Atheism is not a smart choice when you consider the Intelligent design of our bodies and the perfect conditions for life on earth. It's also not smart when you agree with abortion and homosexuality as being OK. They are not OK, they are a good way to demonstrate that humans are brainless leg humping animals that don't care about their reproductive purpose. If atheism was the answer to our world problems then it would have been much easier to sell without lying and making dumb arguments.

[@FourDeuce01]

Matt: "You don't get to just call something a lie." Caller: "Well let me ask you this." Theists like to ask stupid questions when they realize they're failing at proving any god(s) exist.

[@rebelrouzer5318]

Don is chill af. He did a bunch more stuff in the older episodes but I think he just accepted that most people wanna talk to Matt.

[@jimmorgan21]

Hey Mike, do you believe in Zeus? No That's a lie!

[@reasonrally6658]

Just wanted to thank Matt Dillahunty and his co-hosts for enlightening and emancipating me from the religious mind trap that I felt and knew was so unfair!! 🤣🤛🏼🤛

[@davidnewland2461]

BB I don't know if I ever believed in god sitting in church was waste of time for me it was Tim e I could be out doing.where I grew up there was always something to do fishing playing baseball or sledding in the winter I never thought about how where our house was located that made my childhood Great a river a small swamp no dangerous critters the swamp was an easy walk not in Washington and had Small painted turtles perfect for pets our yard always seemed to have leopard frogs in it at night we'd go out and hunt for night crawlers for fishing inner tubing on the river got popular when we grew up there were lakes we could ride bikes to when the summer got hot. Fortunately iwas able to buy a house and twenty acres in the middle of the vacation area of northern Michigan'slower peninsula my kids had pretty much what I had asakid. Well this got out of hand

[@phenotyped4961]

Schools really have to start teaching basic reasoning like they do reading & writing. Imagine a world full of critical thinkers...

[@stereoraptor6940]

i started writing this comment trying to play devil's advocate, but honestly you're completely right. there is no excuse for faith-based reasoning in our society. a world that lauds critical thinking would not be utopia but it certainly is the only proper evolution of humanity from where we are now.

[@ancantiladodecaminante623]

We would be light years ahead of where we are now, if that was the case!

[@coletrickle1775]

They don't teach it on purpose.

[@olderthanyoucali8512]

The individuals in charge don't want a population of informed critical thinkers. They would know longer be in control. Which is why we are lied to beginning early in our lives.

[@antinatalistwitch111]

That would work against the elite & their agenda. School in itself is indoctrination from day 1.

[@tomwinchester55]

It is amazing to me that so many people on this earth believe in a god...

[@devaxionrl8189]

Logical compared to athiests who deny. Btw athiesm is always wrong unless your bs philosophical point of view is that multi dimensions are not a possibility. Agnosticism is logical compared this shit show

[@tomwinchester55]

@@devaxionrl8189 the burden of proof is on you....I have never heard good enough evidence to believe.

[@tomwinchester55]

@@devaxionrl8189 fortunately.....you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

[@ohh1065]

@@devaxionrl8189 it’s not denying he would have to be real to deny it you can’t deny something never offered

[@AdmiralBison]

Because Religions ruled and where the law of the land for thousands of years many kings, queens, emperors etc had to be ordained by Religions. It was the institution for "knowledge" before Science csme along and tore it a new one. The good news :p atheism and notes has increased to 29% of the population, especially amongst the younger generation. Majority of Religions losses in the United States has only been in the past 20-30 years, kind of when the Internet took off. Odd how instant communication and wealth of information spreading can destroy the insularity of Religion. Religion is dying in the United States, slowly but surely and I don't see it coming back permanently to its former glory.

[@casmx7300]

When someone tells me they got a pet poodle, I generally accept it because I know I live in a world where poodles exist and people obtain them as pets. When someone tells me they got a pet fire-breathing dragon, I'm going to need some exceptional evidence because I know we live in a world where dragons aren't known to exist and people don't own them as pets. And showing me a piece of burnt wood claiming it's proof of this pet dragon or telling me that 'Well, I have to first believe the dragon exists and then maybe it'll choose to reveal itself to me' isn't the kind of evidence people would need before they accept someone has a pet dragon. And, I think we can all agree that God would be far more extraordinary than a dragon so there better be some incredibly extraordinary evidence to back up the claim he exists.

[@jeffwells1255]

Don't limit 'god' to just one gender! Use all the possibilities with "s/he/it" and then listen to how that sounds.

[@mavh0116]

I'm going to quote this in an upcoming discussion.

[@teletoonfan]

@@jeffwells1255 ooohhh you're so clever!😂😂

[@christopherseton-smith7404]

Have you not seen the medieval maps that state "here be dragons"?

[@kingrobert1st]

I've got a pet dragon called Alfonse. You calling me a liar?

[@user-pt1cz4ot1e]

“No, no, no, no, no, no, no, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NONONONONO, FUCKING NO.”

[@Eriknorth87]

That's Matt's catchphrase!

[@johndelong5574]

And they cried with one voice WE WILL NOT HAVE THIS MAN TO RULE OVER US!

[@foxware5587]

Every time Matt says: "I will let (fill in name of co-host) answer this one", i allways think: "Sure you are Matt....."

[@starlaminde3113]

True He sabotages it every time lol he tries but it’s not his nature. It works and his cohost are aware of this.

[@JayMaverick]

I finally got it! THAT WAS THE ATHEIST LIE! Mike finally makes sense!

[@tom-qj6uw]

"The theist would choose ignorance..." "...AND arrogance, don't forget that!"

[@jamesrosano9439]

To sum up Matt slick in a sentence

[@dfadden62]

How can not being able to believe a load of crap be a “lie?”

[@dx1450]

Just like "fake news!"

[@leosoftware2643]

It's like the democrats. Calling people names on what they are actually like.

[@yuuseir3391]

It's because that label fits perfectly on religion, but they must oppose anything that says otherwise, argument or not. And they already had no arguments for anything, so go figure.

[@TedPeeples]

"Sorry. I was gonna let Don talk." Get 'em Matt.

[@Ciph3rzer0]

Every time Matt says something like that I know it's a lie lol. I like Matt but if he's on the show he always dominates it :)

[@rapsheet7580]

Ted Peeples why is there always two people behind that table. because it takes two atheists to think, and they both have to run their mouths.

[@ishmaelkelly6686]

@@rapsheet7580 same reason why there's Christian networks all over the world the same reason why Christian networks never have an atheist or somebody of opposing opinion on their shows or Networks. Does that answer your dumb ass question!

[@franktherealist481]

@@Ciph3rzer0 Matt dominates the conversation but who's complaining? LOL! I like when Don gets into it but it's rare and he doesn't have the gravitas that Matt has. It was a good call despite the usual ignorance on the part of the theist.

[@franktherealist481]

@@rapsheet7580 Why there are two atheists behind the table? Your answer was quite comical co considering it only takes one supremely dumb theist to show what religion is all about. Take it from some one who was a theist before waling up. Religion teaches one how to talk stupid and with out true critical, logical thinking skills. When theist ligic fails, lying and misrepresenting becomes tools of choice. LMAO! Such wonderful Christian values. Not.

[@greenjelly01]

IF ONLY theists would choose ignorance over arrogance! Unfortunately they choose both.

[@rapsheet7580]

greenjelly01 I use to be an atheist so I was both arrogant and ignorant, so I know. Christianity is like a rubber tree, a rubber tree can bend as far as you can bend it, it will not break. stand on any limb on the ground then step off the limb and watch the limb come back to its original form. it's amazing to watch a rubber tree do that.

[@lazyh-online4839]

@@rapsheet7580 do you have anything to support that claim with?

[@glennbeck9496]

@Rap Sheet Your current arrogance and ignorance demonstrates that you refuse to even recognize your current arrogance and ignorance. You don't even understand the difference between past and present tense.

[@m0n0deferia]

@@rapsheet7580 Great analogy. For me, Christianity is more like a turd. Once you get rid of it, you flush and you expect that shit to never come back.

[@drg8687]

@@rapsheet7580 Christianity literally crumbles under the lightest bit of scrutiny. Only the simple and the stupid find it impressive.

[@GabeCoolwater]

"... that is completely obsessed with your sex life." Don just killed me with this one! 🤣

[@Canalcoholic]

Don was paraphrasing Christopher Hitchens there.

[@myopenmind527]

Atheism is the only only position one can hold if one values intellectual integrity.

[@andyashworth7750]

@Atheism Kills Define atheism, and demonstrate your point. You are wrong, but I would like to hear why you think so.

[@Amigo21189]

@Atheism Kills Are you Mike?

[@squeakyelbows]

@Atheism Kills What is the evidence to the contrary?

[@Amigo21189]

@Atheism Kills You should totally do that then.

[@B1uefix]

​@Atheism Kills "lie about the definitions". That's the most stupid thing I' ve read in a long time. You cant just call a definition a lie because you dont want to use the same definition. Well you can, but you're making yourself look stupid.

[@neilbaldwin1492]

I seriously love don. His laugh makes me happy.

[@HauntFreak13]

Neil Baldwin Same!

[@starlaminde3113]

Yes I would say don is one of my favorites but not for the one on one to callers but he is a smart man and I do watch his older shows of talking on certain subjects with callers he lacks the confidence Matt has in conversation. But I’m fine with that I just enjoy him being a co host he helps break up the intensity. ❤️

[@rhornjr]

“first, produced the defendant.“ this is why Matt is great.

[@tetsujin_144]

If god is on trial, accused of existing, I think his best course of action would be not to appear, because to do so would be self-incrimination. If his existence isn't first established, then how can he be compelled to testify against himself?

[@diegom8]

A “lie” is a statement that is made that is KNOWN to be false. Saying something that isn’t true isn’t necessarily a “lie”. A lie requires an intent to deceive on purpose.

[@basp-ef7jx]

Don is honestly one of my favorite hosts. It didn't start out that way, but he's grown on me. Keep it up. Love the show.

[@maxnullifidian]

"The clergy know that I know that they know that they do not know." Robert G. Ingersoll

[@Mandilore89]

LOL That caller owned himself when he stated straight up that Christians prefer to be ignorant!

[@Ouja]

"Produce the defendant!" I'm dead.

[@coles7811]

Mike: "I need to demonstrate that to myself.........right" Don: "That might be a starting point" lmao

[@tyrionlannister3459]

That was a moment that slipped past many people. I paused, laughed, hit play then, rewind just to make sure I heard it right. Followed by a laugh of confirmation. They shut themselves down with their own way of saying what's on their mind in the moment. Somehow, it doesn't stick.

[@justwood8440]

Thank you Matt Dillahunty for your exceptional dissection of any argument you are presented. It definitely makes for a great start for the day alongside of my morning coffee.

[@vladtepes9614]

Don's laugh always makes me laugh.

[@OfficialSeth]

He easily has the best laugh on the show. Always kills me when Matt is being super serious and then Don makes a quick snarky comment and just absolutely starts laughing his ass off.

[@GeneralZod99]

There is a compilation out there of jokes from the show. In one of the clips, the joke that Matt was telling is cut off so you only hear the last 1/2 of the sentence and then Don starts laughing. I have no clue what Don is laughing about, but since his laugh is so infectious, I laugh right along with him.

[@kentonbaird878]

Can someone just make a Supercut of Don's dad-laughs?

[@BaronVonQuiply]

I love it when the caller says something that makes Don laugh unapologetically at the level of ludicrous he's just been exposed to.

[@markshere100]

I think his laugh is moronic - an embarrassed nervous tic.

[@longdark4ever]

LOL I love how Matt always says "I'll let so and so talk" then proceeds to take over the whole call.

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

It's his show.

[@Wrkumlin]

I met Matt a few year ago when I travelled to Austin. He’s very much like what we see on the show...except he let me talk.

[@scipioafricanus5871]

He let you talk, because you didn't made ridiculous claims about the existence of a creator. Now, if you happen on Matt again, just tell him he is lying to himself as an Atheist and see Matt go off...

[@Wrkumlin]

Scipio Africanus And why would I do that? He’s a good guy.

[@brucebaker810]

He let me make him a balloon hat. PZ Myers too.

[@melodygarrison7531]

@@Wrkumlinit’s a joke

[@trebesdisease6998]

As someone who has always believed in God but has no theistic viewpoint to fall back on, I find you're program very interesting and informative. Keep it up. More believers need to see this program so they can at least question their beliefs in a reasonable manner.

[@joecoolioness6399]

Your theistic viewpoint is that there is a god. Why do you believe that? Don't answer here, call the show. I bet you don't have a good reason either. It's one thing to question your belief, but to ignore the answer because it isn't what you wanted is quite another.

[@Miodrag.Vukomanovic]

@@joecoolioness6399 If we can exist, so can a higher power.

[@Olotila]

Matt: "I will let [insert co-host] answer" -> never lets co-host answer

[@calebmauer1751]

I have faith that some day the co-host will get to answer.

[@franciscovlzqz17]

The best🤣

[@MarcusCollins69]

@@franciscovlzqz17 some say the co host has not answered yet to this day

[@bsqwahlE]

After 20 years, cohosts must know that Matt will be talking most of the time. The ignorance of faith really pisses him off.

[@clearlake3492]

I am continually impressed with just how articulate Matt is and how fast his mind works. Yet he has no degree or higher education. A very bright man indeed.

[@klemenhudobreznik3421]

true, just because you dont have degree means you dont stuff i know about some stuff through self learning.

[@donpodlas5546]

Becoming an Atheist is a matter of just growing up, at least it was for me...

[@boglerun8444]

Remember, we are all born Atheist.

[@itsahzthing3433]

As well for me, but it truly was a difficult split

[@donpodlas5546]

@Izuku Midoriya Deku OK, point taken...my question is this, why do certain people think that they are entitled to something after the physical life ends?....it sounds like a huge ego trip to me!...I think that people are absolutely scared shitless of the possibility of total and complete death....(non-existence) of mind and body...

[@foxware5587]

Yes! It's like stop believing that Santa Claus is real.....

[@jesperjee]

This caller does not understand what a lie is.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

If even a single god existed we would all know it. The god argument that is repeated again and again for thousands of years proves only one thing. We do not know.

[@rapsheet7580]

James Richard Wiley only one God does exist, only one.

[@jesperjee]

@@rapsheet7580 Um..ok. Which one?

[@rapsheet7580]

Mr Jee the only one the only self existent one.

[@jesperjee]

@@rapsheet7580 The only god who exist is the one people believe in. So it could be any one of them.

[@badatheist9948]

using this caller's version of logic. he must accept the idea that all gods must exist. if he does not, he is using a special pleading.

[@Stalicone]

If I was co-hosting this show, I would have to tell the callers, “Matt will answer you, my job (apparently) is to sit here and look pretty.”

[@kevinp665]

Theists will try their very hardest to put Atheism on the same platform because they can’t prove their God exists so they have to try to bring everybody down to the same level of “faith”. The old, “Well you have a belief and I have a belief, so nobody’s right”. It’s a desperate move.

[@Miodrag.Vukomanovic]

And look, your mail man believes I'm right, the police officer believes I'm right, etc...see? That means there's truth to the god of the bible. (sarcasm)

[@johnblackledge4009]

Love the audience applause and laughter!

[@mitchhaelann9215]

I usually explain atheism as like being a nonsmoker. It's not a position on anything except one bad habit that the person in question does not partake in.

[@komshobu2]

I'm a smoker but I agree with that :)

[@kentonbaird878]

And by the caller's weird-ass logic, to be a non-smoker is to smoke crack.

[@advancedlamb]

Not bad, but would likely land better among theists if you didnt focus on it being a 'bad' habit.

[@NathanAMeyers]

Yes, but your example presupposes smoking is bad; which is a positive claim. Analogies are tricky - smoking is a complex issue which if used in analogous form could be misconstrued by any stupid theist clawing for a legitamte rebuttal. And yes, I do realize "stupid" and "theist" are redundant. Lol

[@mitchhaelann9215]

There's plenty of evidence that smoking is bad. There's plenty of evidence that religion is bad. 100 years ago, if you tried to explain that smoking was harmful, nobody would believe you. Everybody smoked, it was a part of society. It took a long time for the research to finally become accepted. The same thing is happening now, with atheists standing up to 'Big Religion' and educating people about the harm and dangers of religious belief.

[@Shannon-ij1pm]

The ignorance vs arrogance question was the funniest thing I have seen on KZbin for a long time. I had to replay it many times and it didn't get old.

[@myopenmind527]

I’m so impressed by the way Matt allows Don deal with this callers assertion. 😂😂😂

[@davidstarks3308]

My OpenMind Yes both did a great job

[@marcusrosales3344]

I think that was sarcasm since Don hardly replied. Btw how many times does this guy comment lol.

[@dLimboStick]

Ask Mike if he believes in the Flying Spaghetti Monster. When he says no, call him a liar.

[@epicguitarcovers8237]

dLimboStick Flying Spaghetti Monster? Seems like your trying to inspire a religion of your own, because none of us have a clue what your talking about.

[@marty4760]

@@epicguitarcovers8237 then you dont do research. The flying spaghetti monster is the god for pastafarians

[@paxmule]

@@marty4760 I believe in the FSM.

[@coletrickle1775]

@@epicguitarcovers8237 if by none of us, you actually mean, just you, then sure. Also, you are ridiculous, this show is for pointing out how wrong religions are. The flying spaghetti monster is making fun of religion, you dunce.

[@VincentVonDudler]

11:13 - One of the best moments I've seen on The Atheist Experience. "What's better: to be arrogant or ignorant?"

[@hakureikura9052]

i'd rather not be both tbh, but if forced, i'd rather be arrogant, but with the ability to back it up, at least i know what is true and false, than be ignorant and told to believe that the lie is true...

[@advancedlamb]

Well...if i was somehow not ignorant on a single topic, it would be too fitting for me to be arrogant.

[@petersparks7363]

Hey A kills buddy i corrected you on another thread, look forward to you answering back. i know you will not except the correct use of terms but hey there we are. Peace.

[@advancedlamb]

@Atheism Kills it is literally so simple that i think you might be a loon. Atheists dont see evidence of god, so they dont believe it. If you dont think seeing no evidence is a good reason to disbelieve...then you literally are insane.

[@lazyh-online4839]

@Atheism Kills I'll justify it, I have no evidence to believe in a god so I don't believe in one. There goes your whole point.

[@juniusluriuscatalus6606]

Matt may be unnecessarily brutal, but damn this was hilarious slaughter.

[@goodlife2322]

"Atheism is a lie." "How can something that doesn't make a positive claim be a lie?" End of conversation 😑 The rest is entertainment 😁👍

[@peli_candude554]

The lie is not atheism, the lie is what atheists use to defend their morally bankrupt worldview. It's really that simple. If they were not defending themselves against religion they would be nothing and in order to defend against Jesus they make up lies that cannot be verified any more than Christians having Jesus show atheists what they want to see. Christians believe in Jesus and what he taught. Not in a physically alive person who walks around today in the flesh. If you want to find God you need look no further than the words Jesus spoke about what we are to do today. Love one another. If you can find a better way to make peace than within every person then why is it not being taught everywhere and why do we have so much conflict and hatred in the world Is atheism able to remove that? No, not unless something has changed in the world that makes everyone more at peace.

[@KarpKomet]

Peli_can Dude Your post is barely comprehensible. What lies, what worldview could one atheist possibly share with another, they just both don’t buy a fairytale you do. I wonder, why do you think people believe in the Quran, or did believe in other deity’s throughout history. Ok now take that thought and apply it to your own religion. No evil lies or worldview necessary :) Or do you also accept the Quran as the word of god? If not, again, tell me why so many people think it’s true...

[@peli_candude554]

@@KarpKomet Does it really matter if they share anything? Please don't tell me that the term "Free Thinker" indicates that no two atheists share the same ideas because they definitely do. Many of those free thinkers are being told what to think by popular atheist sites that spout lies about Christianity and the Bible to influence these free thinkers, that are no longer free thinking when they are chained to someone else's ideology or worldview. _I wonder, why do you think people believe in the Quran, or did believe in other deity’s throughout history._ Well wonder no more because it's not me telling them what to think. There are many reasons why they would follow one god or another and they were doing that in the time of Moses, Abraham, and Jesus and ever since and long before. Belief in God is as natural as homosexuality, adultery, theft, and murder and unless you are a true free thinker and demand to know the details of why you should believe something and try to verify that for yourself then you are JAFO in the great scheme of life. If you ever watched "Blue Thunder" you will know what JAFO is but if you haven't it is an acronym for Just Another Fukin Observer. _Ok now take that thought and apply it to your own religion. No evil lies or worldview necessary_ In your opinion...one based on "one less god" atheist worldview. Where did you borrow that from? _Or do you also accept the Quran as the word of god?_ Oil and water. They don't mix. _If not, again, tell me why so many people think it’s true_ Because it was based on the truth and not some celestial event or natural disaster. It was enforced by it's own brutality like some Christians did to their followers but we've outgrown that. So have most Muslims but until they recognize Jesus as the son of God who was resurrected they will not be Scottish Christians. So since I've answered your questions how about you return the favour. Why not tell me what it is that you believe in and how that is better than Christianity or any other religion? I was an atheist most of my life but raised Christian so I know enough about both lifestyles to be able to appreciate why there are choices and why some buy into their preferred "lifestyle choice". Don't be shy...you were bold enough to claim that I am following a fairy tale so why not tell me what makes you certain where most atheists simply say they don't know and can't say.

[@jason335777]

Because they are calling themselves atheists when in actuality they are agnostics. A true atheist would say that no god for a fact exists. Agnostics say i dont have evidence once exists, but given such evidence I would perhaps believe.

[@petehouse8380]

jason335777 nope. Atheism is simply the position that the evidence so far presented for the existence of gods is inadequate. I certainly wouldn’t say that there are absolutely definitely no gods, I’m just unconvinced. Agnosticism is the position that we don’t currently have knowledge of such things, so to be absolutely accurate I’m an agnostic atheist. Theism/Atheism are both a matter of belief.

[@BushcraftingBogan]

*Finish him “Produce the Defendant” *FATALITY

[@damianpook8576]

@David Anewman except there is no evidence, and you can use Hitchens Razor posits that that which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Your argument is that there is evidence and if you can present that evidence then we can verify its validity.

[@HauntFreak13]

David Anewman The fact that there is no evidence of the existence of God contradicts the existence of God.

[@00B00N2]

😂

[@dionettaeon]

"Theists don't claim to know God exists", Really? Who're the ones going around saying "I know that I know that I know that I know that I know..." ad nauseum again? He really did choose ignorance.

[@114wildfire]

God does exist. Look up the ashened remAins of soddom and Gomorrah with brimstone littered everywhere

[@114wildfire]

Lacuna Leora So you admit those ashened remains do exist. However, there actually 5 sites like that. The cities of the plains as the Bible states. Also, the brimstone found there, which is the same thing as sulphur, wasfound to be 98% pure sulphur. NOWHERE on this earth except these ashened ruins have sulphur that is 98% pure sulphur. Sulphur our of a volcano is only 44% pure.

[@114wildfire]

Lacuna Leora These ashened ruins still remain, preserved in ash. If an asteroid hit, then nothing would remain. And once again, only at these places will ther be found 98%pure sulphur. If you still don’t believe in God, then that’s up to you. This is just another example or evidence that validated the Bible narrative.

[@dionettaeon]

mike jones; No it doesn't. Finding a place that is geologically high in sulfur does not prove that a supernatural entity put it there.

[@114wildfire]

Dionette Finding ashened remains of cities that burnt down due to sulphur(brimstone) raining down on it validates the story of soddom and Gomorrah in the Bible.

[@jerff5411]

Me: I am God the lord Everyone: I don't believe you Me: LIARS all of you

[@philipdillon83]

Sad thing is theres like 20 verses in the bible like that.

[@goodtimes2595]

According to Mike's logic; I can confidently conclude that my coffee cup is a lie.

[@amandacogger3075]

Dam I've just finished my coffee! It's all a lie dam those coffee makers😆

[@cascorick8253]

Just because you can't find your coffee cup doesn't mean you don't have one!

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

@@cascorick8253 We know coffee cups exist. We invented them.

[@LB-wv4qe]

"The theist would choose ignorance". Somehow l realize that I've always noticed that.

[@Lazaven]

Damn the caller walked into a stone cold stunner at 11:34. Idk how Matt says he's against slavery because he has owned alot of theist.

[@imuawarriors]

wow - what a great episode. genius. thank you Matt and Don.

[@airplayrule]

Most people don’t have a full/accurate understanding of any religion, including these hosts. no wonder they disbelieve. Examples: Jesus was originally called Jesus OF the Christ. Christ is Christos in Greek/Latin, & Christos is another name for Krishna. Krishna says he’s the father of all creatures, & Christ says the father is “greater than I.” Vedas are the 1st to teach how God, A.k.a Krishna A.k.a Vishnu, created the Great Flood to destroy sin. He also did miracles & offers to save followers from sin. Jesus’ miracles remind me of things done using Vedic-science (his life from ages 12-29 was deleted…possibly due to learning Vedic-science according to many sources & some evidence). Vedas were written over 5,000 years ago but known eternally before that. All major religions/sciences stemmed from Vedas. Buddha, Christ were 1st mentioned there, as was all math, oldest histories, other planets, Relativity, etc. It also gave the socio-economic system that dominated/thrived all over (the spiritually centered, merit based Varna system) BEFORE it was corrupted into a birth-based caste system. ALL life was respected with compassion (killing animals was allowed in rare, unavoidable situations, especially with minimal suffering to the animal...all of which is what the Bible actually teaches). Vedic teachings share the same core teachings as the Bible (including having 1 supreme personal God) but because Vedas are so detailed & allow variations for people who are less good/truthful, it ALSO mentions God with his impersonal energy aspect (Brahman) and many “Gods” (AKA angels like Ganesh) and people misunderstand. Vedic shape/age of Earth is confirmed by modern science, but Vedas have their own more detailed/advanced/accurate model of creation/evolution (involving spiritual evolution of mind). We WERE all perfect because we all came from the PERFECT person (God) but we abused our free will with God and were sent to this struggle on Earth and God sent Jesus because he was the only way for (some) very sinful people to whom his message was meant for, not all people of all times. Hate the sin, love the sinner, but when them of karma and possible long term (not eternal) hell that fits the crime. I may not see your reply here but if you need details/sources, click the sub/bell icons for upcoming epic vids via channel “Playitalready” & watch its main vid/description for now. I eventually see most comments on that vid. If you don’t wanna pay for the book in the link, ask in your comment there for the free PDF.

[@starfishsystems]

​​@@airplayruleYou're suggesting that religions have not done an adequate job of explaining themselves in a way that reasonable people can understand. I agree. But I suspect that it's because they can't. Remember, it's their claims which are at issue, their burden of proof. If they fail to meet their burden of proof, don't look around for someone else to blame. It's on them. We live in a world where people have to transfer complex knowledge among themselves all the time. If we fail in this, planes will literally fall out of the sky. Water supplies will become contaminated. Vehicles will spontaneously explode. Hospitals will become nothing but morgues. Such events do take place, but they are rare. Humans are in fact very good at understanding things WHICH ARE UNDERSTANDABLE. Your argument that religion is somehow so central to human existence, yet widely unintelligible because people are at fault for failing to understand it, simply does not square in any way with the reality that we all experience. Nice try, but you're really offering an Ad Hominem fallacy here.

[@airplayrule]

@@starfishsystems Yes religions can't explain because, uh, unlike people, religions aren't alive to explain. Everything u say in your comment, including your claims of burden of proof where u attempt to shift the burden of proof while blatantly ignoring all evidence i say or offer, is also carrying a burden of proof, of which u offered 0 proof for anything u say. If you're too closed minded to address, or request, proof, don't blame any1 but yourself. U can keep saying u don't have to prove anything while 97% of the country is not atheist n 93% of the Globe is not atheist OR agnostic. We live in a world where people have proven to be very good at misunderstanding things even if they ARE UNDERSTANDABLE. look around at social media, Fox News, MSNBC, politicians, Karens, scientists' conflicting beliefs n claims etc. n you'll see people full of having n conveying misinformation, and or lying to others or themselves. 500 years ago, n sometimes today, people contradicted the Vedic teachings that the Earth is round, relativity is correct, we must take care of the planet, etc. "....not square in any way with the reality that we all experience." -*that YOU experience. Nice try. "but you're really offering an Ad Hominem fallacy here." -no YOU just did that, n i just quoted u doing it, unlike u who offered 0 proof on that....or anything. if u admitted u have 0 proof n were open minded to evidence, I'd show religion is central earlier. i will below. What's the point in commenting if you're going to ignore every statement or evidence i say or offer, n just make up claims? do u just wana argue with how u see or assume things n people like me, n not have honest, open minded convo? did u really, fully, carefully read my last comment? There’s good n bad people everywhere. That includes theists n atheists. But if everything is the result of abiogenesis n the laws of physics, then so are thoughts n claims that everything is the result of the laws of physics n that there’s no supreme being with a supreme moral code. Your thoughts n claims maybe like the noise of a faulty robot that accidentally formed. Without that supreme moral code, your claims about morality is your opinion vs some1 elses. That includes anything u say about any other “moral” terms u wanna “sneak in” to justify your “morality” claims (circular reasoning). Thus, whatever u claim is or isn’t moral (or ethical, empathy, fair, common sense, well-being, non-aggression, pleasure, good, or whatever terms I left out) is opinion too. Saying something is moral because u think it helped our common ancestors survive n reproduce, is an appeal to nature fallacy, is speciest, n assumes that human survival n reproduction is moral (that’s more circular reasoning n begging the question). If society defines those terms (an appeal to popular opinion n force fallacy) then if the previous, current n future leaders of a nation, like secular atheistic N. Korea, got the world to agree that all “moral” terms should be defined by the leader, n it becomes law too, then according to secular atheism (n Darwin’s theory because he’s maximizing his ability to survive n reproduce) he’s not immoral. Even IF a secular atheist can prove how to know morality, n some people agree, it wouldn’t offer any objective standard or answer for WHY a leader who violates that “morality” without empathy or punishment, is morally obligated to change. Citing “immoral” religious scriptures/people is cherry picking, n would contradict the claim that there’s no objective morals in the 1st place, n it wouldn’t make sense (as already explained) n even if it did, it’s a personal attack fallacy, which can be used against atheists more so, since TONS of studies show; -more people have been terminated by secular atheists than any religious people, even though 93% of the world isn’t atheist or agnostic (that number also debunks the claim that secular atheism is common sense, as do science journals that cite atheists are the least trusted demographic, even among other atheists). -Religious people donate n volunteer way more than atheists. -Religious people have more stable marriages n self control -etc. If abiogenesis experiments keep failing, n our common ancestors for countless millennia included advanced humans, who had Vedic scriptures that are where all major sciences n religions stemmed from, via divine inspiration, n most modern people have a very limited, flawed, biased understanding of what I said in this paragraph, n of all the major religions, will u accept it? Or say you’re open to a detailed comment n video (on channel “Playitalready” where the better vids have yet to be uploaded) that provide logic, evidence, n sources?

[@larjkok1184]

Haha! This caller, like most, jumps from one argument to another as each gets defeated. And is left with ‘he’s a god that doesn’t want to be discovered by everyone’. And you worship this thing?

[@meydiaengka]

@Rodrick Evans shut up

[@marty4760]

@Rodrick Evans no you dont KNOW a god exists. You simply BELIEVE

[@larjkok1184]

Rodrick Evans Prove my statements? Just listen to the video. You’re welcome. Even the religious folk can be helped. Let me know if you need help with anything else.

[@larjkok1184]

Rodrick Evans Oh, I forgot to say. I am your lord. I have faith that I am. Don’t try to deny your belief in me. Good girl.

[@daniellastuart3145]

NO "Christianity is the Lie"

[@Lyricistnz]

Matt "Ill let Don answer" then cuts Don off at every turn in the road

[@ShangZilla]

Well, he said that he rather be arrogant than ignorant.

[@SaramadHill]

I guess he was Don talking

[@VestigialHead]

+Out & About Yeah I think that habit is the only realistic complaint anyone can have against Matt. His arguments are well thought out and logical. He can cut to the chase pretty well when he needs to. But he does cut his guest hosts off and the callers. He has acknowledged this as a problem on multiple occasions so is aware of it. But old habits die hard. If he could do that a little less often I think he would go down in history as one of the great theist debunkers.

[@arturoverde3807]

Out & About just be grateful he wasn’t driving !

[@overdoneone]

This guy did an amazing job of destroying his own beliefs and didn't even realize he was doing it...

[@johnemerick5860]

This show should be played in public schools to protect children from their parents replacing reason with faith...

[@boglerun8444]

I like that idea.....it could replace RME.

[@johnemerick5860]

@@boglerun8444 you never see faith at the same time as knowledge, just like you can't have a dark room with the lights on...

[@brucetopping248]

The Church of Gullibility.

[@infiniteoctopaw]

Theist: god is real Me: I’m not convinced Theist: LIER Me: wut?

[@chameon378]

I'll admit, I was expecting Romans 1:14

[@jerff5411]

*liar *What

[@merikijiya13]

Wait...huh?

[@brucebaker810]

I'm not convinced. Liar. You ARE SO convinced.

[@damianedwards2327]

God is the existence of Love. Everyone believes Love exists.

[@SecondaryHomunculus]

I've watched this clip about 167 times, and it keeps getting funnier EVERY TIME I SEE IT!

[@casparuskruger4807]

After the 4:35 mark where Matt explains what a lie is, this conversation should be over. From that point on, Mike is like a hydra monster where Don and Matt are continually beheading each new drooling head that Mike presents them with. And each head is pre-ambled with a "wull..wull.." This guy is cornered so bad in every direction he goes into and then begins contradicting himself REAL bad in the closing minutes of the call. .

[@qwadratix]

I believe that was the most pointless argument I've ever heard in my life - but I can't prove it.

[@suvariboy]

Why are most of the theists who call in such dolts? 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@richdandanell2911]

Because dolts are easily convinced into believing things that haven't been shown to be real or true .

[@Wrkumlin]

Rich Dandanell Lets call Dunning and Kruger and see if thy have an opinion on this.

[@jeffcourneen2363]

The smart ones know better than call in. Deep down some theists really do know it's all b.s.

[@ericmishima]

Conditioning and indoctrination through fear and guilt?

[@Wrkumlin]

Toughen Up, Fluffy Interesting how the ones they are talking about are the ones that call them idiots. Hmmm... My observations of the comment sections on places like You Tube are that the ones that claim significant knowledge are the mentally and intellectually deficient ones while those that know the limits of their knowledge are humble about what they know. So, by claiming Dunning and Kruger are idiots (and making other disparaging comments about them), you are actually confirming your lack of knowledge and intelligence. You are the reason they did the study. And you are the perfect example of their results. Funny how reality works.

[@rickkernell2486]

I have listened to most of the atheist speakers and I find that Mathew is, by far, the most concrete and consistent. His approach is always logical and reductional, taking the argument to it's foundations.

[@kentonbaird878]

Does the caller believe that ODIN is the king of all gods, higher even than the Christian deity? No? He doesn't? Then by his own weird sense of logic, Christianity is a lie.

[@Ilnath]

Odin is way cooler

[@dblshotz75]

We are all atheists its just that some go one god further than others.

[@sanghelian]

Yep. This seems just pascal's wager in disquise.

[@Leaddevo]

@@dblshotz75 Sir, that is one of the best lines I've ever read. You win the Internet.

[@lazyh-online4839]

Odin promised to get rid of all ice Giants, God claimed that when Jesus came back for his kingdom some of the guys he was talking to would still be alive (Matthew 16:28). All those guys died but we have no ice Giants, Odin 1, Jesus 0.

[@emmym1912]

The theist chooses ignorance! Ain’t that the truth?!

[@edheal3246]

11:36 - Brilliant - Theist prefers to be ignorant. At least he is honest.

[@reddevilreports3071]

This guys whole evidence is that there is no evidence so you can’t disapprove it 🤣

[@Miodrag.Vukomanovic]

We are like ants trying to read and comprehend a physics book, when we attempt to explain what a god is and looks like.