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The Atheist Experience 23.05 for February 3, 2019 with Tracie Harris & Matt Dillahunty.
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[@God_Is_An_Atheist]

Pot and gay marriage need to be legalized everywhere, because Leviticus:12 says: "If a man lies down with another man, they both should be stoned."

[@victorbonilla4634]

Finally a sense of humor in these comments..😅

[@Sowilo-Dagaz]

🤣yes!

[@morpheas768]

Yes, Pot Marriage needs to be a thing, so people can finally marry their bags of weed.

[@scipioafricanus5871]

@@morpheas768 Wait, so you are telling me; I can not only smoke it, I also have to have sex with it afterwards?, damn...

[@BigAlCapwn]

Frankie Boyle wants his joke back

[@arjenbootsma6881]

The irony of a religious person asking for a rational justification...

[@megamus3]

They've all got the same whiney, childish tone.

[@memitim171]

Also the irony of a christian attempting to use pedofilia in his argument...

[@berylgilligan9287]

I’ve noticed since watching this channel how miserable religious people are it’s like where’s the happiness us atheists are happy as hell 😀😀

[@AbandonedVoid]

To be fair, "religion" is a pretty wide label. Some religions are essentially just cultural practices or philosophies, so they don't really conflict with rationality at all. The late Greeks were functionally atheists, although they were closer to cultural polypantheists. The problem isn't "religion" it's faith and magical thinking.

[@blumucci]

They want to brand you like a cow wake up atheists where does buying and selling lead to...the mark of the beast tattoos and credit cards are conditioning you to take the mark

[@MrSubsound90]

I'm glad there are Christians like Brojo. They are actively making religion more unappealing as society becomes more secular.

[@scipioafricanus5871]

Maybe we can avoid women have to dress up in Handmaid's garb.

[@HarbingerOfBattle]

Except in America fundamentalism is the order of the day.

[@quantize]

@Fire Stryker not so lite really

[@RainCity3rd]

@Chotto-chan That is pretty messed up and sad.

[@bayly1977]

So true

[@kenchristiansen2080]

How is homosexuality rationally justified? The exact same way that heterosexual is justified. 2 people fall in love, and want to spend their lives together.

[@el29]

yeah thats one premiss but you maybe need more than just 1.

[@katyungodly]

It's a subconscious uncontrollable preference just like preferring pizza over ice cream. The question "is it rationally justified" makes no sense in this context.

[@el29]

@@katyungodly Well to say it's a uncontrollable as a premiss is a bit far stretch.

[@spaceghost8995]

What's love got to do with it?

[@kenchristiansen2080]

@@spaceghost8995 exactly what does love have to do with how a person feels about another person?

[@steveeb00]

If a man lusteth after the bank vault, he hath committed bank robbery in his mind.

[@drummerdog546]

no

[@OneEyeShadow]

@Drummer Dog Are you seriously questioning the Holy Bible, word of God right now?

[@adabsurdum3314]

I hath sinned

[@1dgoose]

Conspiracy to commit murder is a criminal offence...

[@adabsurdum3314]

@@1dgoose ok...random

[@HauntFreak13]

“I just wanna make sure he understands...” “He doesn’t.” Lol I love Matt.

[@ericday4505]

Matt is an asshole.

[@TheSandurz20]

@@ericday4505 asshole are good

[@tracer740]

@@TheSandurz20 - Of course! Without one, a Colostomy would be necessary for stools moving through the intestine to drain through the stoma into a bag attached to the abdomen.required .

[@MrKit9]

@@ericday4505 Matt is your superior in every measurable way.

[@ericday4505]

@@MrKit9 Matt is not even superior to his kids.

[@MrSoBitchy]

It warms my heart to see straight people defending us using rationality like that

[@MrSoBitchy]

ady nails thank you for being an ally. We couldn’t do it without people like you.

[@lordeluciferdiablo1776]

@ady nails ty

[@MrSoBitchy]

kyle hiebert because identities are real.

[@MrSoBitchy]

kyle hiebert yes it is relevant. We formed a community to fight for our rights. It is relevant, not to you though. Our community doesn’t concern you.

[@MrSoBitchy]

kyle hiebert I’m assuming you’re straight. Am I right? I’m not from the US, I’m from the country that is #1 on killing gay people. Our identity is important outside of our bedroom because we have a life to live. Dating, finding friends who understand your struggle, people to look up to, safe spaces to go to such as gay bars, gay friendly neighborhoods to life in and so much more. I wouldn’t expect you to understand the subjective part of the struggle, much like I wouldn’t expect the presenters in the video (I know they’re straight, I’ve watched their videos for years) hence why I’m positively surprised that they support my community. Why is that a problem to you?

[@Chattosaurus]

Here's a fun drinking game: Take a drink every time Brojo dismissively says "right" without acknowledging the corrections before plowing into his next crap argument.

[@CanadianGuitarist]

That was not a fun drinking game. That was way too many shots of tequila for a 15-minute stretch.

[@tommydevine9993]

@@CanadianGuitarist it's not a drinking game at all. It's suicide...

[@goonerbear8659]

This is a drinking game like chugging a whole bottle of vodka is a drinking game.

[@zebraimage]

Because that's not the norm in a overwhelmingly religious society to assume the religion is the problem in the first place

[@92brunod]

@@zebraimageYou ok buddy? You seem to be lost.

[@danbeaulieu2130]

How is homosexuality rationally justified? How is heterosexuality rationally justified? How is having blue eyes rationally justified? How is standing 6 ft 2 rationally justified?

[@Ryder-wt9tk]

How is rational justification rationally justified with rational justification.

[@Sammie551]

How is loving blue rationally justified, ikr

[@friedegg3732]

@@Sammie551 you love blue? listen here you little shit

[@Strugglebaddy616]

@@friedegg3732 xD

[@edheal3246]

Got an answer to this How is standing 6 ft 2 rationally justified? I am 6'1 and standing on a brick.

[@sciencefirst7032]

How is being a religious person rationally justified?

[@AkaiAzul]

Simple: power. Every truly religious person uses religion to gain power in some manner. They use it to gain favor from others, and use that favor to lord of others, somehow being “better people” than others. Because of this, being religious makes perfect sense: to gain power to manipulate others.

[@sciencefirst7032]

@@AkaiAzul I think religion is a plague on this planet. We need to find a cure or we will die.

[@AkaiAzul]

@@sciencefirst7032 The sad reality is religion won't go away any time soon, if ever. After all, those in power use it to remain in power.

[@avzarathustra6164]

@@AkaiAzul Unfortunately, humans tend to jump to supernatural assumptions based on misunderstandings of reality anyways...

[@brandonh.6956]

Well, everyone believes it, so it must be true.

[@renshiasworld]

See kids, Brojo is a perfect example of what can happen to you when you let your religion do your thinking for you. DON'T be a Brojo.....

[@djb950]

Don't be a Brojo, be a bro

[@redners11]

@@djb950 a....Brojbro?

[@coolbanana165]

As an ex-Christian, it's easy to do, even if you try to be reasonable and fair. The religion is the worldview and lens through which you see and assume things. It's not easy to step outside of your basic worldview... especially if you have emotive reasons to not.

[@njones420]

yolo, don't be a brojo !

[@KillerOrangeCat]

Or a perfect example of inbreeding and not going to school.

[@katlynbrooke1]

As a lesbian, it really does make me sad to hear people compare us to pedophiles. I really don’t understand why people see us that way. Thank you guys, for shutting this guy down. 💜

[@FoxInnaHat]

@@Devdevbruh all jokes aside, i personally dont recall ever even HEARING about women pedophiles. and the few times that i might have, its usually ignored massively.

[@loremipsum66]

@@Devdevbruh Depends which stats you cherry pick.

[@charlestownsend9280]

@@Devdevbruh even if thise stats are true, correlation doesn't equal causation, so you'd have to prove a link between those to things. What is the actual link between someone being gay and someone being g a pedophile? I can make the same argument to say that all Christians are pedophiles and that would be just as valid as your argument.

[@charlestownsend9280]

It's because they can't come up with an actual reason to be anti lgbt, so they have to link it somehow to something that is wrong.

[@ZuoCruz]

@@Devdevbruh Stats don’t lie that the church is run by pedophiles

[@cnault3244]

"How Is Homosexuality Rationally Justified?" That ranks right up there with "How Is Preferring Strawberry Ice Cream Over Chocolate Ice Cream Rationally Justified?

[@philipgrobler7253]

Or: how is dating and marrying outside your race or caste or class rationally justified. 😂

[@michaelpondo6324]

The one giod thing about homosexuality is that their not creating any unwanted abused children as si many straight folks seem to like doing. God bless our country and pursuit of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

[@cnault3244]

@@michaelpondo6324 "God bless our country" Which god?You need to be more specific.

[@philipgrobler7253]

@@cnault3244 There is no god, and if It exists, it is nothing but pure evil. Only a psychopathic control freak would treat his children the way the god of the bible treats his children.

[@philipgrobler7253]

@j l It is man made, god is the most unpleasant character in all fiction.

[@charliehorse8686]

Homosexuality isn't a "behavior" at all. It's an attraction. People who have never kissed or held hands with anyone can be gay just as they can be straight.

[@asmodeusasteroth7137]

By now it should be as relevant as blond or brunette It's not relevant. No one should even care. I don't care you are straight, why spend time thinking what you do? What I do? It's foolish

[@Luubelaar]

@@asmodeusasteroth7137 - Agreed. I can't wait for the day that someone "coming out" is no big deal . Imagine how liberating it would be for your sexuality to be as accepted as "which is your favourite colour?"

[@HappyHippieGaymer]

Charlie Horse blew an old Christian friend’s mind when he asked “how could you be sure you are gay if you never fooled around with a guy?” By asking how he knew he was attracted to girls before he had sex with them?

[@tsfbaf303]

KingJustice98 Congrats, yes, acts are behavior; however „homosexual“ isn’t a behavior, it’s a characteristic trait.

[@madamvaudelune3298]

@ KingJustice98 No one is acting, what is being discussed is homosexual attraction. you can be attracted to someone and the object of your affection may never know it, gay or straight.

[@patrickmonahan9189]

“To the person.... FOOLISHLY.... attracted to you “ 😂😂😂

[@paulboger7377]

BURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@jamestracey2006]

Patrick Monahan I loved the big laugh from the audience member when Matt said that, because I did the same thing lol

[@videogamemaster2869]

I think we should put some more salt in that wound

[@fenrirunshackled4319]

Then the off screen guy cracking up

[@D-me-dream-smp]

Perfect comment.

[@davebowman760]

Matt: "Humans are in fact capable of reason. " _thinks about the guy on the line_ Matt: "... Most of us."

[@LL-wj6yw]

That was such a nice burn

[@thewiseowl8804]

5:21

[@DonKilluninati]

"Humans are in fact capable of reason." Atheists think life and the universe came from nothing! LOL

[@mas8956]

Ultimately his argument was that its offensive to his religion. It never occurs to such people that maybe their religion is the problem...

[@SimonFD]

They don't see it that way because their holy books are supposedly inspired by God himself and thus can't be wrong even when it has been proven to be wrong on many occasions.

[@MrSiloterio]

problem according to what standard?

[@interdisciplinaryhumanitie894]

@@MrSiloterio The standard of maximizing well being.

[@DiMadHatter]

@@MrSiloterio human basic sense of morality, decency, respect for others, empathy...

[@MrSiloterio]

@@interdisciplinaryhumanitie894 what do you mean by that?

[@lijingsua7691]

Why do people care about other people's sexuality in the first place?? That makes no sense

[@593simon]

I’m convinced that people like Brojo are sexually confused. If he eventually comes to the conclusion that homosexuality isn’t immoral he’ll come out of the closet.

[@MireVale]

Fear

[@YokaiX]

Religious belief instils a certain egotistical narcissism and “holier than thou” superiority complex in theists. Being judgemental and imposing on other people they don’t approve of is part of being religious for quite a few religions.

[@bigkirbyhj666]

Control

[@walacelopes114]

It's like, "why swimming is not a rationally justified behavior"

[@sheikhyaboooty]

Homosexual love is exactly as irrational as heterosexual love.

[@zombierambo2483]

@@Mathteacher444 having a tough time there huh? Lol

[@sheikhyaboooty]

@@Mathteacher444 Exactly. No one knows what love means, its different for everyone.

[@sheikhyaboooty]

@@Mathteacher444 Love is not and has never been rational, Poets, Authors, Songwriters et all have spent centuries attempting to define love. There is no consensus.

[@sheikhyaboooty]

@@Mathteacher444 I know what I think love means, I also know that my view of love differs from yours...and everyone else`s. Love is subjective, why is that so hard for you to grasp?

[@Angelalynx999]

@@raysalmon6566 Humans are unnatural? I agree. ;)

[@BudderAsassin]

I LOVE how mad Matt gets at 7:22 when Brojo conflates Homosexuality with pedophilia, I think it's the angriest I've seen Matt since I've started watching the channel

[@vhawk1951kl]

There would be no homosexuality without paedophilia.(Someone please tell the poor colonials that it is spelled paedophilia not pedophilia.) Nobody is *born* queer so they ,must be perverted, thus no paedophiles no queers, simple as that

[@mollywolfe7321]

It's a shitty association that theists have made for decades, the 'gay stranger lurking in public bathrooms' when it's far more likely to be someone a kid knows and has authority over them.

[@Flix19]

"riiight" meaning "I do not understand nor agree with what you've just said"

[@logicn.reasoning9744]

I think it means "ok, your done talking, my turn" all without listening to a word Matt was saying.

[@raw_oyster]

I know, right!?! 😆😆😆

[@fmfdocbotl4358]

Riiight

[@MarieRhondelle]

I love this line: "You need to rehabilitate your argument or drop it." And then he goes to the fall of man. Oh dear...

[@seand.g423]

Like... "oh dear, I forgot the popcorn", or "oh dear, I pity willfully mindless hypocritical Wasteland Death Cultist literal sister-fucker #999999999"? Asking for someone who knows the definition of insanity when they see it.

[@merikijiya13]

That’s the best he’s got I guess. A shame really he sounds so sure of himself.

[@scipioafricanus5871]

Brojo decided to double down and went full ret*rd mode.

[@wasteurtime5677]

I feel like they were too hard on him. They could have said it more gently....lol

[@zgs12212012]

@@joshuabradley5541 That’s absurd. Thoughts are neutral except when acted upon. Matt further showed that it’s the actions that truly matter when he gave the example of someone having a “bad” thought and not acting on it. It’s always the actions that matter.

[@ChannelMath]

A good working definition of a religious person is someone who will say anything to avoid saying "I don't know"

[@joecoolioness6399]

My Mom is a hardcore christian and I often stump her and she does actually say "I don't know" and "you have a good point". But I am careful to word it so that it is about why I don't buy the story, I do not want to convert her. At her age she needs the church for companionship and I don't want her to give that up.

[@stylis666]

And deflect any responsibility for the horrible shit that comes out of their mouths by claiming it's not their idea but god's and they just believe it to be true and good because god and there are still people who insist we respect people's beliefs... Religion truly poisons everything.

[@philipgrobler7253]

No, they go through their entire lives just believing, but never knowing ...

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

EXACTLY!

[@rebootcomputa]

This guy feels so morally superior, he would be a great authoritarian for sure going around punishing people for thought crimes.

[@Mac-vy1rv]

Yeah, I agree, but his argument isn’t even theologically based as Matthew 5:28 only makes it a thought crime or sin for a man to commit adultery in his heart when he lusts after a woman, not a man on a man or woman on a woman. Theists are so blinkered that they don’t see the misogyny in their book, lol. Good appeal reasons for a lawyer though. Even JC didn’t see the loophole in that one :)

[@sprice7892]

Show of hands if you've ever had thoughts of killing someone. 🙋‍♀️ If thoughts were legislated we'd all be locked up for life.

[@jmmacb03]

Hehe-A guy owed me and another girl money, (Lying gambler) so, we were chatting (over a pizza) about kidnapping him and she said, "No. we have to _kidnap and then torture him_ to get our money back!" (We were very young.)

[@edheal3246]

We all would all not be locked up. As there is nobody to lock us up!

[@Wabe28]

The Purge (2013 film)

[@hesperhurt]

"Technically" thought is already a crime. If you kill someone and during interview you state "I thought about killing him yesterday" then you will effectively confess premeditated murder. Even if you intended to shoot him but ended up killing him by dropping a large piano on him by accident. Although the though in and of itself isn't a crime... having that thought and then acting upon it will make that thought a part of the crime. Conversely... if someone with a history of irrational, erratic and spontaneous behaviour commits a murder then the absent of that thought, outside of the immediate act, will, based upon case law, receive a more lenient sentence.

[@ShiroiTenken]

@@hesperhurt Well, to be precise it's not just about having a thought and acting on it, because you can have a thought about killing someone and do it immediately, all of it in a fit of rage or other emotion. It's about having the thought in the past and stopping on that thought to consider it, come back to the thought repeatedly etc. - basically what we mean by "planning". Premeditated murder meant that you didn't do it compulsively (which gives you the defence that you couldn't think straight because of strong emotions, ergo you are not fully responsible) but planned it or at least you had a chance to think it over in different emotional states and the decision wasn't sudden or due to really strong emotions because they don't last long.

[@kinjiru731]

Only a religious person would think that it's a good idea to damn people for their thoughts as if they were actions.

[@OneEyeShadow]

If thoughts and actions are morally equal, you might as well go through with murdering. If you think about it, it's a really fucked up incentive structure as well.

[@redners11]

@@OneEyeShadow you get that from Sam Harris?

[@junieb.9302]

The most zealous typically love being controlled

[@JarlGrimmToys]

Kinjiru731 “but I tell you that everyone who gazes at a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart” Condemnation for thought crimes are right there in their holy book. This is why Catholic’s go to confession, and other Christians pray for forgiveness. I once was at a battle of the bands concert, and met one of the bands. Who happened to be all born again Christians. I was speaking to them in between bands. One band came on who had a female pole dancer. They became noticeably angry and stormed out. Later I questioned them on what happened. Turns out the pole dancer in their words had “put impure thoughts into their heads” and they had to get out of the way and pray for forgiveness. In other words they had got turned on by a women, felt guilty because they were told feeling like that was a sin, and also blamed her for those feelings because of how she was dancing. It just made me feel sad.

[@kinjiru731]

@@JarlGrimmToys that is indeed very sad. It's a shame so many people live in constant self-loathing because of their religion.

[@Marc010]

As a gay guy, Matt has become my favorite hot daddy.

[@madamvaudelune3298]

@Marc010 (chuckle) As a straight female, he IS a cute little dumpling, isn't he? Luv me some Matt, you betcha!

[@madamvaudelune3298]

@Ismael Moh Uh, dear boy, you might be on the wrong site. Tried 'Grinder?'

[@madamvaudelune3298]

@Just a mental fellow Just so. Isn't it amazing how a brilliant mind can make an otherwise plain face shine like a diamond? I had a tiny, bowlegged little math professor from Rajasthan whose brilliant mind, quick wit, ever-present willingness to help the struggling student, made his little owl-face the most lovely thing to gaze upon. Alas, he was married to a lovely woman and they had (close to) about a kajillion children!! No doubt his wife loved him!!!!

[@matthewrhorer137]

this just made my day

[@illusionboy1812]

@@madamvaudelune3298 Grindr*

[@KreeZafi]

This caller is a great example of someone who has a "script" that they will stick to regardless of what the other person says. He asks how homosexuality is justified, they explain it doesn't need to be justified but rather you'd need justification for saying it's bad, and he just goes on to say "so people usually justify homosexuality by saying X and Y..." because he only cares about getting to the point he wanted to make

[@BobbyJenko]

Dude you’re so right. My father in law will bring something up and I’ll prove to him why he’s wrong, and then he brings it up a few weeks later like we’ve never talked about it. It’s very annoying.

[@hgetu3366]

this guy demonstrated MULTIPLE times that he's NOT listening. Over and Over he's trying to change the topic and do "gotcha" questions. I don't know why you kept talking to him.

[@kenbee1957]

That's the show

[@imnotdavidxnsx]

I just don't understand why they let him move on instead of beating him over the head about a topic he kept trying to change until he acknowledged he was wrong. They've done that with plenty of other callers.

[@philliph8991]

For the audiences sake and the optimistic view that not everyone believes like this idiot.

[@davidvarley1812]

Do the Christian far right ever listen to rational arguments?

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

to showcase to the audience that he's out of it completely!

[@catco5098]

Sexuality is not a choice, not a lifestyle and it is not just about sex

[@kaylemkerr6989]

Chris Holbrook A lot of people are just stubborn and stuck in their ignorance from my observation. The youth and what we hope for them to understand as grown ups is what’s important at this point!

[@Digitalhunny]

*Grrrrrr, note to self: NEVER attempt to watch _just one more episode_ before bed. It doesn't happen... 2:35 a.m. *sigh

[@krowmother6970]

I know exactly what you mean lol!! I hope you have a beautiful day.

[@Digitalhunny]

@@krowmother6970 - You as well. Good luck not watching before bed too 🤗🌷

[@Digitalhunny]

@Bev O’Reily - Where were _you_ 3 months ago?? LMAO! To tell me like it is! Seeing as _my own mind_ failed me & I was up until 3am watching this stuff 🤣🤣

[@mercedeswalt6621]

Digitalhunny aww, I feel better now!

[@Luubelaar]

I can't watch these before bed. I get too frustrated to sleep. These people don't understand because they don't WANT to understand. It's just so sad.

[@classybree2241]

How is homosexuality likened to children’s abusers? I am so glad I left Christianity no more going back

[@davidmcnulty8391]

This guy has spent a whole lot of time thinking about why homosexuality is wrong... hmmm

[@arieschic8315]

He needs to come out of the closet. Behind closed doors ya know. 😉

[@LocestSwarmSC831]

He was just doing.....”research” on pornhub

[@SWTobito0702]

@@rs72098 Are you really so stupid as to not see a joke when it's happening right in front of you?

[@allpraisetogodmylordandsav5255]

True Love is between one man & one woman a Married Couple who truly Love each other and are committed to each other as a woman and man are designed for each other in a specific way. Contraception is bad for a woman's health as it's unnatural plus it's a grave sin as Abortion is a grave sin so evil, we should be a culture of Life. Research online Scientifically Proven as Our Lord Jesus blood type discovered in the Holy Eucharist as part of the Catholic Faith it's so amazing plus many more great Miracles in the Catholic Faith. May the Good Lord direct all onto the right path Amen Our Lady Queen of Heaven and Earth Pray For Us Amen God Bless Take Care All 😌👏🕊☘

[@LocestSwarmSC831]

@@allpraisetogodmylordandsav5255 Have fun with your imaginary friends haha

[@dmc8092]

He's not listening to anything they say. He's just waiting to talk again.

[@Nexils]

Definitely. He keeps on saying "Right" and then just keeps on babbling.

[@smaakjeks]

+D Mc It's like a train running on tracks. But it's a train that carries only trash fire.

[@Explosivo55]

ikr.. being biased is such a sin too atheists lol.. but mah freedoms and liberties

[@dragonmaster6982]

D Mc tbh I’ve done that before many times, and from experience I can tell you that that normally happens when somebody goes into an argument thinking and believing that they’re right and the other person is wrong. This means that he feels all their arguments will be disproved by his

[@Nijeguhz]

Theres a reason fot that behavior. He isn't trying to be convinced by them. He is trying to show the rest of the world, how foolish they sound.

[@dmc8092]

Consent (as in the case of pedophilia) seems to be completely beyond Christians. They don't understand that it's the harm done to the child and not the desire that is the problem.

[@scottiethegreat74]

I was disappointed there was no mention of all the Catholic priests, and their demonstrations of disgusting behavior around pedophilia, even by the individuals who didn't take part in the act, but were more than happy to cover it up.......

[@TheBlackguard]

scottiethegreat74 I was craving that, too. It’s like religious people are way better at expressing forgiveness to people who are guilty of criminal actions, who show guilt and signs of repentance, than people who commit no crime, want to, and therefore don’t feel guilt. Someone who is guiltless is useless to a Christian. Innocence, though rare, is ironically worthless to them because it takes the bullet out of their indoctrination weapon.

[@jamesgarcia7034]

@Jimmy Topdog ...hmmm... Yeah well the devils music is better anyway...

[@bradlygrubba3533]

I agree. Smiling, thinking pure thoughts, and reading the bible will do nothing to help you. Secular thinking will.

[@Brickerbrack]

@@Yell0fever "a fifteen year old girl is probably aware enough to understand what sex is and what consent is" In most western countries... maybe. Unless she's been raised within a culture where they don't do sex education. You're right; the age of consent _is_ difficult to gauge, and some 15-year-olds may be more emotionally mature than some 20-year-olds. But they're the exception rather than the rule, so it makes sense for the legal age of consent to be high enough that _most_ people who've reached can be reasonably assumed to be mature enough.

[@nieselpriem]

When you are homophobic and your name is pronounced _bro-ho_ . 😂

[@ThePsho]

Lol, this comment got funnier each time I read it

[@Daelda]

If thoughts were a crime, anyone who writes crime novels, television shows with crimes in them, and so forth, would be criminals.

[@Horus-Lupercal]

David Lynch would be behind bars for life lmao.

[@madamvaudelune3298]

@ Jasper Auld to mention nothing of Quentin Tarantino...

[@Horus-Lupercal]

@@MAJMAJESTIC What do you mean?

[@runenorderhaug7646]

It would also mean those people who were molested as a child and whose sexuality may be affected as a result but choose not to engage with it because of their own experience as well would be punished for that

[@Daelda]

@@runenorderhaug7646 And those who are betrayed by a friend/spouse/etc and imagine killing that person, but never do it would go to prison. People who *think about*/*imagine* what it might be like to shoplift, rob a bank, be a superhero (they commit TONS of crimes), would all go to jail/prison

[@jrwsaranac]

When Tracie began to say that it didn't matter whether homosexuality was a choice or not I was like"yaaaaaaaassssss! " LOVE Tracie!

[@johnlopperman2161]

J Straight, gay, or other, most of us do too.

[@carlmart5797]

I agree. I don't believe it's a choice (I couldn't get a boner for a dude to save my life), but if it was, hey, we're free to do as we please so long as we don't infringe on the rights of others and that's fantastic.

[@johnlopperman2161]

@@carlmart5797 That's your state today, who knows what the morrow may bring. The earth turns, people change. Life and experiences are in constant flux, no two circumstance are ever the same, just as are we. Ever. "Forever" fixed characters, needs, wants, appetites and interests are ever evolving, coming and going. People do that, they're not freaks. None of us are immune. And you're right, may we remain forever free.

[@Polyphemus.]

LOL! "What about a mass murderer? Is that an ok desire to have?" I'm having it right now.

[@chucku00]

As long as you don't Dylann the Roof...

[@Marchant2]

You should see what I'm imagining happening to all Right Wingers right now. Big sin!

[@brianroyster7510]

Every time I find myself in the company of two or more evangelicals I have this desire.

[@carultch]

Niles Crane, is that you?

[@Marchant2]

@Kyle James Catterall What the hell are you talking about?

[@brianmonks8657]

Asking if homosexuality is rationally justified makes as much sense as asking if your height is rationally justified. The question is nonsensical.

[@elfin2865]

9:05 the person laughing behind the camera gives me LIFE omg

[@DropHDGaming]

Is that someone laughing? Sounded like a dog

[@ultimategamer2669]

DAMN, that was a quick jab. Love it! XD

[@dumbo753]

Right=whatever I'm not listening Right=I'll just continue my script

[@antoniodisalvatore6582]

That's the same thing I was thinking listening to him....

[@adymatt334]

Matt is an absolute legend. He slams this guy right down to a non-existing hell.

[@inaweoftheworld]

I love that he has no tolerance.

[@kenchristie9214]

For the religious life is hell.

[@tyemaddog]

And likes being slammed and slamming other guys :p

[@IsBeingHello]

Homosexuality isn’t moral nor immoral. No sexuality is moral. It’s an amoral concept. Feelings aren’t moral or immoral.

[@ArcaneEther]

This caller actually wants to punish literal thought crimes.

[@1dgoose]

Yep conspiracy to commit murder is a thought crime...

[@daviddecauwer2511]

No he doesn't, he is just saying it isn't a good thought, it's a bad thought that is why you don't act on it. Good thoughts are ok to act on.

[@labella9291]

​@@1dgoose Wrong. In criminal law, a conspiracy is an agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime at some time in the future. Conspiracy to commit murder is NOT a thought crime. You didn't just THINK it, you sat down with one or more other people and talked about HOW to kill someone. As soon as you started talking, it was no longer thinking. So, no, it's NOT a THOUGHT crime. Thanks for playing.

[@ciyoduhkriter]

He took the novel 1984 too seriously lol.

[@logicn.reasoning9744]

Who else hates when Brojo responds to everything with a "right, yeah".?

[@Despondencymusic]

Yes, because it means he's not digesting what they're saying.

[@theunholyhorseman7139]

Yes, it's aggravating, and it's merely a variation on his mentor's tactic (Darth Dawkins, aka Gary Milne) where DD makes his fanciful semantic assertions, then immediately says, "Okay, NOW," and quickly launches into further fallacious premises to try and suppress any questions and arguments from anyone that tries to take him to task.

[@chistopherr7536]

He’s lost the ability to listen to anything outside the religious beliefs he was indoctrinated into. He’s lost a lot of free will. You should feel sorry for someone as pathetic as that. Someone who has lost one of the most important things most human beings are capable of: rational thought.

[@johnpliskin8759]

@@theunholyhorseman7139 so no actual refuting of claims, just ad hominem attacks, good job

[@fredworthmn]

@@chistopherr7536

[@Sil3ntKn1ght]

Caller: "Right...well, yeah....but-"

[@KingPleaseMusic]

Sil3ntKn1ght "Right... I see you have demolished my point so allow me to quickly reassert it with no new evidence and then move on before you can say anything"

[@Fake.plastic.guy.]

Right.....

[@brandonobaza8610]

Translation: "I wasn't listening. Moving on."

[@ejflor1313]

“Right” is code for I’m not listening and I don’t understand anyway because I’m an idiot piece of shit, but I have to make a noise that allows me to continue reading my script

[@jimpartridge9634]

He was raised to believe that thinking about sin equals that sin. He was unable to hear otherwise. It is a depraved position that I have just now been able to walk away from. Thanks Matt

[@davenacrelli8538]

I’ve commented on several of this guy’s calls and it bears repeating. He is too stupid to know he is dumb. He does not listen and when he is proven to be incorrect, he chalks it up to a ‘win’ in his column and continues to his next absurd pronouncement. This lack of rationality scares me. These are the people that commit atrocities in the name of their belief.

[@starfishsystems]

There are a couple of rhetorical tricks that apologists teach other in place of engaging honestly. Cranking out a spray of poor arguments faster than they can be reviewed, that's one we see in this call. Ignoring the merits of the rebuttal is another. When Matt puts a caller on hold, it's typically for one of these tricks. Although they are obviously not intellectually honest, I don't think callers even pretend to use these tricks for advancing human wisdom. I think they're almost purely exercises in self-indoctrination, a result of efforts to keep the membership under control. That's a pretty sad thought, but it fits the data all too closely.

[@RonnieD1970]

Dunning - Kruger is a great description of Brojob

[@homiedclown]

@@starfishsystems Yep. The Gish Gallop is a favored technique of idiots like this

[@BigHeretic]

@@starfishsystems _Cranking out a spray of poor arguments..._ I prefer the term 'setting fires', leaving the interlocutor to put them out, which is often impossible to do in the time available and especially if you want to stay on point and address the original argument - exactly what the theist intended.

[@ZarkowsWorld]

Religion can turn smart people into idiots, turn nice people into evil beings

[@cyberingcatgirls7069]

$5 says the caller is a closeted self-loather.

[@divisiveamerica7764]

Only $5?

[@robertchflynn]

yup...

[@LightInTheIgnorance]

No bet.

[@flavourtasters]

What would be wrong with hating yourself for homosexual thoughts? Its not hating the person but hating the SIN accordiing to the Bible I dont hate people who choose to be homosexual why would I but I do not like the act of homosexuality because of my religious way of thinking that sin curses the nation it is an abomination soooo why is it bad for a person to hate himself many people have things they dislike about themself.

[@Longtack55]

Ted Haggard just couldn't reconcile his dogmatic Christian hatred of homosexuals with his own lust for cock. That must have been difficult for him continually fighting his natural desire. If there was a case for Gayness not being a choice then that surely would have to be it.

[@Surrealist4Hire]

Lol when Matt starts saying OHMYGOD you know you've stepped over the line.

[@miklo6907]

Oh my God Matt you are the man I'll follow you anywhere.

[@jsmall10671]

Meh. Matt will scream OHMYGOD at the drop of a hat. Too tempestuous

[@trevorphillips5201]

@ naw probably just expressing an anti-fanboy observation. Matt makes sense, he's a douche, but he's correct douche.

[@CromCruachTheElderK]

No, you don't. You know when Matt says WTF.

[@strumdynastygaming7217]

ain't that Rich Dawkins Matt says “Oh My God” when someone interrupts him and then responds with aggression, even if he is in fact the one who initially interrupted the other person. Matt takes offense to being cut off a single time, even for clarification, but has no problem asking a question and then interrupting upwards of ten times before the questionee can get out an answer. That’s extremely poor discussion practice.

[@anushkasekkingstad1300]

My sexuality infringes upon no law in my country and has absolutely no need to be justified to anyone.

[@darlalathan6143]

You tell 'em!

[@anushkasekkingstad1300]

@@darlalathan6143 My wife and I are fortunate that we live in the civilised world and not in the deeply dysfunctional, bigoted hole that is the US. In Norway and Denmark, it’s been a crime, since before I started school some 30 years ago, to expose our children in their schools to the nonsense that is religion. As a consequence we have very few religious extremists or bigots in our country. The vast majority of Norwegians and Danes are respectful of our laws and of each other. Out and about with our young daughters in Bergen or Copenhagen, where we have homes, we generally walk hand in hand regularly exchanging little kisses as young couples in love often do. We’re rarely even noticed but once in a while we attract a negative comment from someone of Middle Eastern appearance. I earn a crust as an advocate, sometimes a Crown Prosecutor in both jurisdictions. If I felt the comments made had infringed our hate speech laws, I would call for police assistance. The offender would be surprised to be stopped by police, interviewed in our presence and arrested. Our laws provide for the deportation of non citizens upon conviction for a serious crime. As prosecutor I would argue that such deportation was appropriate in the circumstances and on two occasions the judges agreed with me and so ordered. I’m happy that our legal protections are adequate.

[@dmc8092]

7:08 He didn't need to say specifically that he doesn't like homosexuals. He pretty much proved it by the things he did say.

[@ch3rrikiss]

@Hillary's emails to Lorne or in other words : "the lady doth protest too much"

[@meridien52681]

More like scared by them. All that hatred has to be pretty corrosive.

[@fredworthmn]

Christians need scapegoats to make themselves feel morally superior to other people. It takes religion for good people to do evil acts.

[@martinbruhn5274]

What I hear when somebody says: "I don't have a problem with homosexuals, god does." is I'm fine with it, it's just my god is an asshole, but what are you gonna do about it. But really, it's them doing the hating, not their imaginary friend.

[@trevor4188]

I hear "I have a problem with homosexuality but I don't want to be held accountable for it."

[@martinbruhn5274]

@@trevor4188 exactly

[@martinbruhn5274]

@@trevor4188 I mean, what I said, if you took them seriously and what you said is what is actually behind it

[@martinbruhn5274]

@Lovely Biscotties Of course, I was talking about a scenario where you give them the benefit of the doubt and just pretend you believe what they say and take them seriously. It still doesn't cast a good light on their god. If I were too take them seriously, I would have to come to the conclusion that their god is immoral and petty and egocentric ,and so on.

[@Explosivo55]

lol two consenting adults is a dumbass assertion to make for justification because once you ask me i'm a 3rd party and my consent is not with it, it is genuinely disgusting on my eyes and will cause a reaction of angry too remove this abomination before me.

[@larryfulkerson4505]

This caller is a spectacular example of what happens when you're home schooled by believers.

[@MrDoodlewatson]

Yep. I like to think most people are born with a logical intuitive mind but religion seems to be very good at eradicating that from even the most gifted of minds. How it works so well I have no idea.

[@jesust6463]

Michael David Dixon no you wouldn’t. You’re argument is pure shit based on nothing more then arbitrary notions of biological processes. You make no attempt to tackle the real argument you just skate around to try and justify your belief that homosexuality is unjustified because biology. You know what else you shouldn’t put in your body? Cane sugar yet I bet you still consume that on a regular basis. So please come up with a compelling rational argument. So please try to argue using logical arguments. No fallacy’s, if you know what those are.

[@jesust6463]

Michael David Dixon never did he say that. You’re the one that’s triggered. You can hide behind this veil that you’re not homophobic but it’s clear listening to your arguments that you are. Or else you wouldn’t have a problem with it.

[@jesust6463]

Michael David Dixon I don’t have too. The burden of proof isn’t on me. You’re the one saying it’s irrational and then you go off about aids. Do you think anyone is going to take you seriously?

[@jesust6463]

Michael David Dixon your arguing from a biological stand point. We put plenty of things into our body and do plenty of things that we shouldn’t biological speaking? So what’s your point? We should stop doing things because our biology dictates it? That’s fucking stupid.

[@KyuuTomoyaki]

This is one my favorite calls in the history of AXP. Matt lays such a smackdown on this guy. The best line is where Matt says: "Someone has a desire but never acts on it. That is morally superior to the person who has a desire to do something harmful and then acts on it." This caller just can't conflate the difference between those things. And that moment where Matt says it is absolutely okay for someone to have a desire for mass murder, so long as that person never acts on it...you can just about hear the caller's jaw hit the floor in shock. He just doesn't understand why thoughts without action are just amoral thoughts and should be treated as such.

[@richardleeskinneriii9640]

"And the person who is unfortunately attracted to YOU" fuck. That is some serious EMOTIONAL DAMAGE.

[@KreeZafi]

Probably because he's Christian and Christianity notoriously does punish you for thought crime. Like that one bit about how if you look at a woman with lust you have already committed adultery with her in your heart and must gouge your eye out.

[@vhawk1951kl]

That is because the -for all practical purposes, official religion in England and America is what I call modernism(from the French mode, meaning fashion) and modernism for some inexplicable reason regards all sorts of paraphilia and paraphiliacs as sacred cows- so not a word to be said against queersas thy are known in England-but I call them sewerites, so queers are simply*assumed* to be above criticism, despite the fact that for hundreds if not thousands of years, buggery and sodomy were crimes at cmmom law the penalty as for all common law offences being hanging. It is not in my view coincidental that toleration of buggery and sodomy which on *any*view are filthy ant-natural practices came about at a bout the some time that beings of the passive sex were allowed to votefor as we say in Persia, nearly all the troubles of this world arise out of the wiseacreing of women, so aschrurchill so wisely said it was a huge mistake to let women or beings of the passive sex vote.

[@dontworrybehappy150]

​@@richardleeskinneriii9640Was that said and the audience in the studio laughed?

[@dontworrybehappy150]

​@@KreeZafiOMG, yes, you're correct. Thoughts and deeds are known by god, according to Christian teachings. I'm so glad that I deconverted and set free from the fear and shame. I was raised catholic, which was very traumatizing to me. I'm much happier and at peace now.

[@infiniteoctopaw]

🏳️‍🌈 GAY IS OK!👏GAY IS OK!👏GAY IS OK! 🏳️‍🌈

[@Zripas]

Eric Day "Homosexuality is an abomination" Now try to support your claim with actual evidence. Can you do this?

[@Simplethings-rg6wu]

@@ericday4505 go fuck yourself

[@OneLove-vn2yo]

Eric Day THERE IS NO GOD

[@Noa......]

@@darkwolf4434 ?

[@ItStartsWithYou2Day]

As a gay man, who just found your channel/this vid...bravo to these 2 hosts!!!! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻

[@siobhangraham7280]

I'm a gay woman and have loved this show for years hahah

[@777Rowen]

🏳️‍🌈

[@stylis666]

What took you so long to get here? :p

[@siobhangraham7280]

@@stylis666 The sad thing has been that I've just caught up on the recent explosive deconstruction of the ACA as they embrace transphobia over tolerance, leading to the resignation of some of their best voices. Tracie, Jen, John Iacoletti, Russel, Clare, and many others resigning over the ACA's embrace of a transphobic KZbinr. It's sad to see a community that once stood for inclusiveness fall to this.

[@KingOfBboys]

@@siobhangraham7280 You should really watch Rationality Rules' channel and videos before calling him "transphobic". You'll find that not only to be untrue, but also that the ACA committed a huge disservice to free speech by condemning RR channel.

[@chrism3241]

This guy doesn't listen or understand a damn thing.

[@miklo6907]

I know Matt's an idiot

[@BigHeretic]

@@miklo6907 Yeah, OK. *Brojo* was determined not to understand and to convey his homophobia no matter what. He was successful.

[@bms77]

aron ra dillahunty for God Matt?? LOL he’s probably one of the most intelligent speakers and atheist vs theist debaters around

[@miklo6907]

@@bms77 You must be easily impressed by matt putting people on hold so he my talk over them. His only argument is there is no argument.

[@TheBlackguard]

aron ra dillahunty for God if you agree with Brojo and just witnessed Dillahunty expose his lack of critical thinking ability, and still disagree, you may also lack the ability to think critically.

[@Nick-xe8rx]

Ever since I was a child, a literal child, I could understand that being gay has absolutely nothing to do with morality. It’s who you are, the same way being strait is who you are.

[@jeanetteyork2582]

Brojo has no concept of why thought crimes are not good for societies. He doesn't understand the foundations of liberty either.

[@Somerandomnobodyonyoutube]

Christians *want* to be bigots

[@marvantheamerican3603]

Bet he is a libertarian too. Lol.

[@nld8985]

Matt roasted that dude HARD also, I love how level headed tracy is.... its miraculous!!! 😍

[@planetrio]

Nld 89 i love Tracy! She is my hero 🤘🏽

[@HauntFreak13]

Tracy is awesome.

[@ToniTheMink]

Faizan A “So it’s okay for people to practice homosexuality and spreads AIDs....” Honestly, who WOULD like that POS caller?!

[@benjaminmarker]

The sad part though, is that I don't think Brojo comprehended that he got roasted..

[@ffsno9078]

If homosexuality wasn't a thing, then we wouldn't have the song YMCA...think about how sad wedding would be!

[@michaelkapelis287]

Don't forget about "In The Navy"

[@Ycekhold]

Actually, only 2 of the 5 Village People are gay. Unfortunately, I no longer remember which two.

[@jasondiend4248]

Or Queen songs written by Freddy.

[@ffsno9078]

@@jasondiend4248 No Freddy? Now that would be a crime!

[@jessicareilly8251]

@@ffsno9078 that's the best comment I've read all week thank you lmaoo

[@HeathWatts]

“Stupidity is the same as evil if you judge by the results.” ― Margaret Atwood Perhaps Ms. Atwood had met Brojo and was inspired to make that statement.

[@7Be]

I love when Matt and Tracie are on together. They're the best.

[@krowmother6970]

YES!

[@krowmother6970]

@@keyserjosaid321 Hi I am new to the Atheist experience and I was wondering if you would please tell me what Matt did? I don't want to support or have my mind influenced by an A-hole. Thank you and either way have a great day.

[@HTxLL]

@@krowmother6970 she left probably because of the thing with Steven (RationalityRules), doesn't have anything to do with Matt

[@Julian0101]

@@krowmother6970 It was speculated matt was the reason everybody left, until the moment tracie and the others explicitly said matt has nothing to do with her leaving. And then A-holes cherrypicked the rumor and still try to sell this idea again.

[@DonKilluninati]

Their idiots!

[@InformationIsTheEdge]

Homosexuality is rational because it is biology not sociology. One has no more choice of their sexual preference than one does over their choice of height. "Too tall? Pray that height away!" Good luck with that.

[@zibzo7180]

Yes. It's like completely shunning and dismissing anyone who is under 6'. Then forcing them to essentially were stilts to fit in the "correct society"

[@fredworthmn]

If sexual preference were a choice I would still think it okay and none of my business.

[@RosannaMiller]

Bull. At one point of my life, I was bisexual. I am not today. Try again.

[@jamestor6700]

@@RosannaMiller and you had no choice in that

[@johnlopperman2161]

info Logic cuts their legs out from under them. Easy-peasy. Next. ~mr fixit 8

[@ParanormalEncyclopedia]

How is a consensual mutually pleasurable act between adults that harms neither morally justified? Question answers itself

[@pascalsimioli6777]

You could even remove the "harming others" part. If the parties agree to be harmed for pleasure there's nothing wrong with it. Consent is key.

[@ParanormalEncyclopedia]

@@pascalsimioli6777 Depends on how far the harm goes. If we're talking BDSM then yeah I don't judge. Sadly some victims of abuse are so warped by their abuser that they do agree to it. I prefer the BDSM communities motto of SSC: Safe, Sane and Consensual.

[@sk1192]

Watching this channel has really inspired me to learn critical thinking 💙

[@gabrieljordan8015]

". . .or someone who is foolishly attracted to you" I had another good laugh when he said that.

[@keyow2]

Gabriel Jordan I know Brojo, spoken and debated with him a lot. He says things like this all the time.

[@allpraisetogodmylordandsav5255]

True Love is between one man & one woman a Married Couple who truly Love each other and are committed to each other as a woman and man are designed for each other in a specific way. Contraception is bad for a woman's health as it's unnatural plus it's a grave sin as Abortion is a grave sin so evil, we should be a culture of Life. Research online Scientifically Proven as Our Lord Jesus blood type discovered in the Holy Eucharist as part of the Catholic Faith it's so amazing plus many more great Miracles in the Catholic Faith. May the Good Lord direct all onto the right path Amen Our Lady Queen of Heaven and Earth Pray For Us Amen God Bless Take Care All 😌👏🕊☘

[@asherikamichaela8425]

@@allpraisetogodmylordandsav5255 Ok, now you're copy-pasting this nonsense. 🤦‍♀️ At least come up with something original.

[@gabrieljordan8015]

@@allpraisetogodmylordandsav5255 I'm not sure if you're just trolling or whatever but I use to believe at heart the exact same nonsense you just wrote about. Liberate your mind from false ideologies.

[@Sammie551]

So did a woman in the background

[@randomhumanoidblob4506]

There's no rational justification for religion

[@fredworthmn]

Wow! Very thought provoking! I like it.

[@louis5555gmail]

Freud regarded God as an illusion, based on the infantile need for a powerful father figure; religion, necessary to help us restrain violent impulses earlier in the development of civilization, can now be set aside in favor of reason and science. Religion invented morality. Before religion, we were animals. Now that we are civilized, we don't need religion anymore.

[@saiyanbob666]

@@louis5555gmail in my opinion religion did not sprout morality

[@louis5555gmail]

@@saiyanbob666 , Sigmund Freud would disagree with you on that. He wrote: " Religion belonged to the infancy of the human race; it had been a necessary stage in the transition from childhood to maturity. It had promoted ethical values which were essential to society. Now that humanity had come of age, however, it should be left behind."

[@bartfloyd3275]

A ..MAN....

[@MuttMagician]

And to this day I have yet to find a good argument against homosexuality.

[@Firedrake1313]

Difficult to find that which does not exist. ~ Yoda

[@jamestkirk3630]

@@Firedrake1313 I love this ❤️

[@Dabherenthere]

How did you come into existence? Man and a man? Or man with a woman? That's the only argument I can see working. Man and woman create life. not homosexuality. I think we can agree our life matter right?

[@wachyfanning]

@@Dabherenthere Driving a car or pissing while sitting down can't create life either. Doesn't make it morally wrong.

[@Dabherenthere]

@@wachyfanning never said it was morally wrong

[@francesbrisco776]

A person has the right to be with A partner of their own choosing

[@smooa1889]

I thought he was calling him bro hoe i didnt know thats his name

[@iamTheSnark]

Bozo.

[@raw_oyster]

He is such a Bro Ho!

[@elliotterodriguez]

Kind of applicable considering the topic you know what they say about homophobes 😏

[@behzadmirza1131]

😂😂

[@SpaceCattttt]

@@elliotterodriguez Indeed. Had Matt told him that, he probably would've exploded or something.

[@anthonypc1]

God DAMN that was satisfying in the end, after I gave up on the Christian homophobe making any real argument. Gotta love Matt & Tracie

[@jakubmike5657]

How is homosexuality rationaly justified? Premise one: people like feeling good. Therefore they will strive to feel good and try to avoid feeling bad. If someone is gay being in relationship with person of same sex will bring them pleasure.

[@kenbee1957]

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@user-yn2ru2ep1j]

I hope Brojo eventually comes to terms with his homosexuality. I wish him nothing but the best.

[@Roedygr]

Why does homosexuality need a rational justification? You don't demand a rational justification for red hair. It is just the way some people are. From an evolutionary point of view: 1. people with a gay uncle have a backup parent without encumbrances 2. homosexuality helps social interaction 3. in times of starvation, a gay uncle is an extra food provider

[@jikkh2x]

Why shouldn’t we demand a rational justification for any behaviour or belief? Especially with respect to behaviour that affects hygiene and health.

[@johnpliskin8759]

@@jikkh2x hygiene and health? wtf are you talking about?

[@joecoolioness6399]

@@jikkh2x sexuality is not a choice, but even if it were, who are you to demand any justification from anyone for their choices? It is none of your business. And bringing health and hygiene? Are you that dense? The number of unclean, sexually diseased heterosexuals is many times more than homosexuals.

[@garthleach8144]

your an idiot

[@jadeemerson301]

John Pliskin all sex can be unhygienic,

[@brianharris7243]

Here he goes again -Brojo is so far down the rabbit hole he cannot see reason.

[@ddrse]

Jesus is the cure for homophobia this is the gospel

[@SpaceCattttt]

Yeah, he's one of those people who see their own personal knowledge as set in stone and absolutely true. And whatever anyone else says can only be approved if it corresponds with what "has" to be true. Assumptions and probabilities are simply not a part of the Christian vocabulary.

[@TheRyanlax04]

That's the case with so many of them. Ants in ant farm. On the desk of reality.

[@chagis100]

9:02 "Or the person who is foolishly attracted to you" Career Ended

[@cortez1803]

the "career" as a caller in a talkshow? that's supposed to be a career?

[@zacharywilliams111]

Love how the person in the background is laughing

[@Longtack55]

Best of Matt's angry responses.

[@MrKit9]

Homosexuality is rationalized in exactly the same way that heterosexuality is. End of story.

[@zibzo7180]

This caller needs to read 1984. Making individual thought a crime would lead to a dystopian society.

[@Heycool08]

"This caller needs to read." is probably enough lol.

[@Ashclayton1994]

It most likely wouldn't do any good, people like him could read it and still miss the point completely or try to cherrypick and twist it to fit his own agenda

[@janb.3600]

Thoughtcrime being a thing would lead to a dystopian future the same way it lead to a dystopian past.

[@lulolie]

I disagree with Matt that pedophilic desires are fine, just because the desire shouldn't be punished doesn't mean it doesn't cause harm to the person having the desires or anyone they express it to. The big difference with desires of heterosexualality or homosexuality or objectiphilia vs pedophilia, is that it's a desire to do an immoral action vs. a desire to do a morally neutral action. If someone acts on the desire to fuck a mailbox nobody's going to be hurt, if someone acts on a desire to sexually touch a child that child will be hurt. You can't say that the desire to do a moral or amoral action is the same as the desire to do an immoral action, and you can't say it's fine just because they haven't acted on it, cus it still would cause the person having the thoughts harm and would still need to be worked through. Saying that something shouldn't be punished is leagues away from that thing being fine.

[@yossarius]

"How is being different from me in any way rationally justified? "

[@scipioafricanus5871]

Wow, you certainly think highly of yourself.

[@yossarius]

@@scipioafricanus5871 , why? Because I mocked the title of this video? MUST I type " /s " at the end for you to get the sarcasm?

[@asherikamichaela8425]

@@scipioafricanus5871 They were summing up the caller's "argument" in one sarcastic sentence, that's all. 🙂

[@darlalathan6143]

Genetic diversity and various survival strategies.

[@Tigerpuffer]

Seeing the AE folks bully homophobes always makes me happy. Automatic +1 for y'all.

[@lordeluciferdiablo1776]

🤣😂🤣

[@scipioafricanus5871]

Do they "bully" them though... how about "not taking their bullsh*t?"

[@allpraisetogodmylordandsav5255]

True Love is between one man & one woman a Married Couple who truly Love each other and are committed to each other as a woman and man are designed for each other in a specific way. Contraception is bad for a woman's health as it's unnatural plus it's a grave sin as Abortion is a grave sin so evil, we should be a culture of Life. Research online Scientifically Proven as Our Lord Jesus blood type discovered in the Holy Eucharist as part of the Catholic Faith it's so amazing plus many more great Miracles in the Catholic Faith. May the Good Lord direct all onto the right path Amen Our Lady Queen of Heaven and Earth Pray For Us Amen God Bless Take Care All 😌👏🕊☘

[@Tigerpuffer]

Get your stupid fake god out of real peoples’ bedrooms ya petulant creep

[@allpraisetogodmylordandsav5255]

@@Tigerpuffer its God's business after all he is the Creator and knows what's best for us. True Love in Marriage committed to one another is between one man and one woman who are specially designed for one another. May the Good Lord direct all onto the right path Amen Our Lady Queen of Heaven and Earth Pray For Us Amen. So much evil today in our world when so many do not follow God such as the evil of abortion the killing of the most innocent vulnerable of Our society it's such a crime, divorce, trauma sin after sin is destroying mankind. We all need to turn back to Almighty God to guide us on the right path Amen Our Lady Queen of Heaven and Earth Pray For Us Amen 👏👏👏😌🕊

[@SC-zq6cu]

"How is homosexuality rationally justified ?" Why is he assuming the matters of sexuality to be reason based positions ? When and how did he reason into his heterosexuality ?

[@philaypeephilippotter6532]

I don't care about his sexuality or anyone else's, nor even my own. I don't see it as a point for debate. It's nobody else's business and this kind of debate just gives the question a moral weight it does not deserve.

[@darlalathan6143]

That's because he's stuck in the 18th century, the Age of Enlightenment/Reason, when many philosophers thought humans ought to act calmly and pragmatically at all times, even in emergencies. He probably thinks emotions are evil, like a Jedi Knight. A lot of Alt-Right men think this philosophy is "manly" behavior.

[@Duchess_Van_Hoof]

This episode sold me on the channel, kudos.

[@claymenefee6999]

Wait till you see the other videos.

[@pedrofuica9733]

Search for "atheist experience best caller ever" that clip get me to this show back in 2016

[@bpdmf2798]

This isn't even a top 50 Matt moment. Search his best of moments, there are hours and hours of compilations on youtube.

[@ricardovonkrypton8908]

Highly recommend working your way through episodes, particularly with Tracie. She has very logical reasons for her beliefs, and for my money, is the best of all the hosts at laying out arguments into very simple terms to demonstrate their failings. Hope you enjoy it all! ;)

[@DragonCharlz]

These two are honestly my favorite. It's funny how Tracy doesnt tolerate BS as much as she used to. You can really tell the difference that about 10 years of talking to nut jobs makes.

[@VestigialHead]

If anyone argues to you: "how is religion harming anyone?" just forward them to this show. If a person who has an actual interest in knowing how religion is harmful listens to ten or so of Matts shows they will be left in no doubt as to the damage done to these theist callers.

[@garax1548]

I feel so accepted right now.... thank you so much Tracie and Matt. This was a real nice thing

[@DropHDGaming]

Same, this video made my day.

[@badluckbart3424]

Brojo, (trying to sound like he is interested) , “Right...” (Which actually means, “WTF ever.”) He doesn’t listen. He waits to talk.

[@janedoe9174]

As someone who's been cursed with desires I would never want to act upon... Thank you for mentioning that part.

[@Sapphireia]

Stay strong!

[@merikijiya13]

You’re not alone.

[@eardrum42]

@@nedboase7909 like Matt said, none of your business. The problem arises when a person acts on them

[@ThePsho]

I believe that, if all of the sudden everyone could read each other's minds, extinction would be right around the corner.

[@AbleAnderson]

@@eardrum42 And I disagree with Matt slightly. I don't think it's completely consequence free to have horrific desires. I don't think people should be punished for desires that they don't act on, but they are still potentially harmful to that person if no one else. If you spend a large amount of time wanting to rape children or murder people and you are constantly suppressing and squashing those desires, you shouldn't be punished, but it can cause awful mental turmoil and consume a lot of your mental energy to constantly quell that kind of thing and it's still worth sorting out in therapy. So I don't think it's entirely problem free, but of course I don't think anyone should be punished for desires they don't act on.

[@hagar2025]

Respect for Matt and Tracy for having so much patience with people beyond ignorant

[@kukalakana]

"I think that's a meaningless distinction" (between desire and action). Tell that to the person who actually *gets* robbed or raped or punched or killed, whether it would have made a difference if their attacker had merely thought about ir.

[@shadegreen5351]

it would have made a huge difference. if i think about snatching your purse at wal-mart but don't then you are safe and the only thing harmed was my own morality/humanity. if i think about snatching your purse at wal-mart and then act upon it then i harmed you on a few levels. thoughts, no matter how dasterdly, are not crimes. thought crimes belong to facist, oppressive regimes. read that last sentence again and see if you catch the gist of my thinnly veiled sarcastic reference.

[@craigcorson3036]

@@shadegreen5351 *dastardly *fascist

[@zazollo]

Matt going “he doesn’t” at 4:51 is way funnier than it should be

[@BlackMoira69]

I would have asked Brojo if handedness or eye dominance is rationally justified. Because it is the same thing. One cannot simply decide that they are right or left handed or right or left eye dominate. Those determinations are beyond one's control. Same as homosexuality. Brojo comes from a world view that homosexuality is a choice. It is not. A homosexual has no more choice over that than he/she has over whether they are right or left handed or right or left eye dominate. Rational Justification doesn't apply.

[@logicn.reasoning9744]

On top of that, even if it were a choice, it wouldn't be immoral.

[@ptolemyauletesxii8642]

I would go further than that. Nothing is, in fact, a choice. But homosexuality certainly isn't. The problem that these people have is that they have to see it as a choice, because if not then their entire belief system falls apart. Homosexuality, which like pornography and other things they like to hate, has no moral quality to it at all, is to the religious person an obviously immoral act, and therefore must be the result of a conscious choice. If they concede that it is not a choice, then they are conceding that the things we desire and believe are not choices, and therefore the entire framework of Christianity, ie those who believe are rewarded, those who do not are punished, goes right out the window. Furthermore he also has to disagree about thoughts having a moral dimension to them, because the entire basis of his religion is the thoughts that a person has. His god is inside his head, reading his thoughts, and determining whether he is good or bad, not by his actions, but by his thoughts. This is the essence of Christianity, that deeds alone are not enough, but whole hearted devotion and faith, every thought must be turned towards god at all times in obsequious obeisance. I find it fascinating to see how totally differently such people view the world, and how their strange framework can cause them to react with utter incredulity and disbelief at things that are obviously and evidently true.

[@ptolemyauletesxii8642]

@@matthewnevin9156 I've had some really frustrating conversations with people about the idea of what is and isn't a choice over the years. Setting aside the fact that free will does not exist, it seems patently obvious to me that homosexuality is not a choice. Essentially, as you say, those arguing that it is a choice must themselves have strong homosexual, or at least bisexual, feelings. Otherwise it simply makes no sense. Who could possibly argue that a thing is a choice if they themselves never feel even the slightest urge to do that choice. It's one thing to say that chocolate or vanilla is a choice, but when presented with the option of having sex with a handsome man or a beautiful woman for me there is no choice. This is likely true for most people. Why do these people who argue it is a choice think that anyone would make that choice, just out of the blue? To cause trouble? To get back at dad? To make conservatives angry? No amount of rage or desire to show that I am a rebel could induce me to have sex with a man. I am just not interested. Surely this must be true for most people, so why on earth do these fools think that someone else would choose to do something so radically against their nature when those making the claim that it is a choice would not? So I think you've nailed it exactly. The people making this claim must themselves be caught somewhere in the middle, or else they are imputing extremely unlikely behavour into others. I've had similar arguments about belief, with religious people, who have to stand on the idea that belief is a choice, because it is the very foundation of their religion, when it is so obviously nothing of the sort. When I challenge them to prove it by choosing to believe in a different god from the one they do, they protest and say that they cannot believe in something that is impossible to believe in. When I tell them they have just proved my point they stare at me blankly. Belief is an unconscious product of past experiences, a current state that results from what ideas a person has been exposed to, and can only be changed by the introduction of new ideas, or the decision to adopt a new way of thinking about things, and is usuallay a place one discovers one is in, rather than a goal one seeks.

[@ptolemyauletesxii8642]

@@matthewnevin9156 Why would we all be running around raping each other if there was no free will?

[@rasverixxyleighraq1509]

I'm gay, right handed and partially blind in my right eye from infancy (so left eye dominant), where do I fit into this? Is this all justified? Simply curious.

[@mrb3nz]

The worst thing is, since they hung up, he probably thinks he "won"

[@black5725]

let him think so it he have already proven to all the internet that he is a disgusting dishonest piece of shit "human" being and i use the word human loose

[@Xynth22]

Someone this far gone would have likely thought that regardless of that. Nothing you say to someone like this is going to strike home until they come to the conclusion themselves, and that takes a lot of self reflection on their part.

[@daraghokane4236]

That's how you win debates the other guy gets frustrated and walks away means you one. So just be as annoying as possible.

[@mrb3nz]

@@Xynth22 I guess you're right, he sounded like a broken record

[@TheMechMan]

Sadly, I think this guy would have thought he won no matter what they did.

[@gaz2276]

Brojo has a low intellect but an abundance of confidence. Wow.

[@robertchflynn]

sounds like an average american...

[@Somerandomnobodyonyoutube]

He is proof that evolution is real and that it can go backwards

[@LeoWhalen1933]

Right. Yeah.

[@ChrisPage68]

Ideal attributes for elected office.

[@ninjabluefyre3815]

Dangerous combination.

[@royw-g3120]

A person who starts to develop kiddie fiddling desires and recognises it and seeks help should be supported. There are cases in medical literature where offending behaviour was brought on by a brain tumour -after chemotherapy it went away - but the behaviour returned when the tumour did. This is legit terrifying it could happen to anybody.

[@gandalf_the_purplewithredd2057]

I'd say more, people with such desires are in their majority non-offenders and never touch a child or CP, human beings have a moral compass and that applies to everyone, you have to be either very evil or very messed up to do deliberately evil things to other human beings

[@claudiusmodicus9185]

In respect of Tracy's final comments, Matt does have a tendency to dominate the discourse in relation to both his co-host and the caller. But this is bourne of being a passionate disputant (plus a little brain chemistry assist), and so can be largely forgiven. What is less easy to forgive, is the kind of pulpit bigotry that is exhibited by people such as this caller.

[@samuelclemens211]

Also matt zero tolerance for bullshit and he acts on it some of the other Co host let the caller ramble on, so I really enjoy the matt and Tracie combo

[@hazardousjazzgasm129]

@@samuelclemens211 Agreed, I personally like the hotheadedness of Matt being paired with the patient compassion of Tracy

[@MisterTee]

I think its because Matt is better at this. Tracy is a close second but Matt is more charismatic and is better at dealing with BS

[@SOak145]

@@Karamarika Largely agree with your stance with regards to the pedophilia issue 👍, well stated.

[@isanna6075]

@@Karamarika your comment was spot. Matt consistently talks over his callers. His mouth is filthy. He has very little patience and you have to tread on eggshells with him. He's a bully basically. Get a William Lane Craig up there or a John Lennox and it would be a totally different story. There'd be no f'ing and blinding there I can tell you. And what about his wife and kids? What do they think of his language and agressive behaviour? He reminds me of Christopher Hitchens actually - they both know/knew God exists but unfortunately think they know better.

[@ferox965]

This kid has related parents.

[@laydieelle7069]

I'm calmer by the end of this video so I'm going to leave with this: Matt. Tracie. You two are amazing. My favourite duo on here. I love this show. Please keep being who you are and doing what you do. It means a lot to the rest of us.❤️

[@sahajshetty1844]

Matt is just a Walter White of logic producing 99% pure arguments.

[@phoogoo]

"I am the one who interlocs"

[@Theoutcome0]

Walter White is a bad comparison. Walt is emotionally driven but is good at coming up with logical sounding arguments for everything he does to convince everyone around him and (more importantly) himself. Eg. “I’m doing this for my family”

[@Lazaven]

@@phoogoo😂😆🤣😆

[@Lazaven]

@@Theoutcome0hes talking about the purity of the product Walter makes not his justification for the acts he commits in the show man 🤦🏽‍♂️