THEATRE NERD REACTS TO EPIC: THE MUSICAL - THE VENGEANCE SAGA

[@reinaldo1416]

"I love you, but not in the way that you want me too." "So, like a friend?" "No, like Stockholm's Syndrome."

[@besthokage7822]

exactly

[@Starlight_fr]

THATS WHAT I INTERPRETED THE FIRST TIME !!

[@colt1903]

"But also like you're this really clingy sister. Do you see my dilemma? ... Actually, don't answer that, you're a Deity, you people live off incest." 😂

[@TDLBallistic]

that's not what that means buddy.

[@ashylan]

EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT TOO

[@dramaaakids]

As I type this comment, Jorge is LITERALLY IN ITHACA RN!!! It’s so cool how the community has grown over the years :)

[@ShinyGoldSteelix]

And his mom is waiting... waiting...

[@rod5433]

Wait... Really? I didn't know cool

[@dramaaakids]

@rod5433 Yeah, he recently posted it on his channel :D I’m REALLY excited for Wednesday lol

[@cbctebasrajeb81]

@@ShinyGoldSteelix waiti-ahhhh

[@jeezsqueeze3201]

@@ShinyGoldSteelix Penelope i-

[@ZeroTheOtter]

I didn’t notice until now but Calypso really doesn’t actually apologize for her actions. “Oh, I’m sorry that YOU feel this way.” “I’m sorry that I’m not enough for YOU.” It’s those classic, fake apologies and pushing the blame on to someone else. I do have sympathy for her situation i do find it difficult to feel bad for her because of this and for what is implied she did in some versions of the myth. ( in some versions it is implied she forces herself onto Odysseus though im not sure what the original shows) Also she is a goddess and the gods aren’t exactly know to be that kind to mortals and are often very arrogant and prideful (remember Medusa and Arachne, Athena?)

[@jacobtorres1835]

Her VA, Barbara Wangui, said that she intentionally played her as a manipulative person doing a non-apology. I wish more people would realize that she's not actually saying sorry for anything specific. "IF these things are true, then I'm sorry" and "You can't handle the emotions I have" followed by "I don't need to be sorry for how I feel" are in no way real apologies. Also, Homers version (the "original" that every telling after is based on) explicitly says she's forces herself on Odysseus and he spends his days crying by the cliffs. She knows how he feels in both The Odyssey and Epic, and we know this because we see her talk him down from the ledge and she says "I wish you would lie and say-" showing that she understands that she did come on too strong and ambush him

[@ZeroTheOtter]

@@jacobtorres1835 thats what im saying and why im conflicted over her. cause yeah she is a manipulator but she was also forced on this island, alone, for gods know how long with no one else but herself. but doing that to odysseus is inexcusable.

[@jacobtorres1835]

@ZeroTheOtter I feel really bad for what she went through, but trauma doesn't excuse abuse. She's an isolated goddess with no prior concept of what is acceptable with mortals, but that's why murder and manslaughter are two different charges with different sentences. She didn't mean to ruin his life for 7 years straight, but she did. She's also not taking accountability for it after she realized she did. It would be like somebody not being able to see a kid in the road while driving, but then pleading not guilty because it's not their fault the kid was there. She had a sad life and THEN was a bad person/god

[@matthewbibby8921]

Its not JUST "what she does in some myths" for me personally - it's what she's doing in THIS telling. She's intentionally trapped Odysseus in a situation where, while he can TECHNICALLY say no to her, he can also never escape her. She's literally imprisoned him with her in order to try and coerce him into sex. Regardless of whether that's successful or not, personally I see it as nothing short of attempted SA - sure, he always said no, but just like being able to physically push somebody off of you doesn't make their attempts to physically force something any less bad, neither do s the fact that Ody never gave in despite her constant pushing and outright emotional manipulation.

[@matthewbibby8921]

Its not JUST "what she does in some myths" for me personally - it's what she's doing in THIS telling. She's intentionally trapped Odysseus in a situation where, while he can TECHNICALLY say no to her, he can also never escape her. She's literally imprisoned him with her in order to try and coerce him into sex. Regardless of whether that's successful or not, personally I see it as nothing short of attempted SA - sure, he always said no, but just like being able to physically push somebody off of you doesn't make their attempts to physically force something any less bad, neither do s the fact that Ody never gave in despite her constant pushing and outright emotional manipulation.

[@Liketaknoww]

For Not Sorry For Loving You: when Odysseus says "I love you" it is IMMEDIATELY on the heels of "I wish that you would just lie and say-" so my head canon is that Odysseus is placating her by doing exactly what she asked: lying to her. She wanted him to lie and say he loves her so that's what he did. His final parting gift to her, reluctantly given.

[@dragonessgem6491]

Oh I have the same head canon too, actually!! It just seemed to make the most sense to me.

[@settingittowumbo1953]

I also think it’s petty as hell for him to say what she finally wants to hear after all this time, just to follow it up with “lol as a friend” and it fills me with joy

[@allthingsjustice6465]

I feel like him being stoick and not facing her is because he does feel bad for her but doesn't want his own resolve to fail.

[@sanyag5838]

@@settingittowumbo1953this is what I thought too… this is the vengeance saga and he hurt her the only way he could - by giving her false hope and immediately ripping it away

[@SuperSonicBlur]

so fun fact, Dangerous was written before Wouldn't You Like and according to Jorge ended up working out the sound for Hermes by looking at an LED lamp that was just cycling through its colours.

[@olivescove]

it was an iris message ✌️

[@shadowroamer]

Yep; like "I've GOT IT!" and so we have 80's Synthwave Hermes, and I'm ALLLLLL for it.

[@Tafysloth-v3j]

8:13 In the actual Odyssey, Calypso did force herself on Odysseus, it described her forcing him to sleep with him at night, and him spending his days crying on the cliffs, being able to see Ithaca from Calypso's island, but never reach it. This may not apply to Epic though.

[@TheStrangeBrian]

It does not apply to EPIC

[@Roxasdakings]

@@TheStrangeBrianit was never said that it didn’t apply to epic tho

[@karolinebergin9347]

​@@TheStrangeBrian it could though considering she did mention wanting to try to sleep with him and him indeed crying on a cliff, I feel it's up to interpretation that one.

[@PupGamer93]

I DIDN'T KNOW HE COULD SEE ITHACA FROM THE ISLAND! THAT MAKES ODYESSY CALYPSO 100X WORSE!

[@agatha6999]

The story is very obviously trying to make Calypso sympathetic so I doubt its canon

[@area52ron]

“I’ll take your son and gauge his eyes” Like Odysseus did to Polyphemus

[@kae_15]

HELP I NEVER REALIZED THAT

[@abthedragon4921]

"I'm excited to see my girl Athena again" Ehehehe, about that...

[@kae_15]

shes dea-

[@readaholicgirl_5]

Last I heard goddess can't die

[@ChuffyBar]

first stage of grief-denial

[@xypher155]

@@readaholicgirl_5it’s been at least 100 years since she updated her info

[@Bee_Of_Time]

@@readaholicgirl_5it’s like GIRLIE WHEN was the last time you checked??

[@zachm3946]

Odysseus never lost a man when only fighting other mortals, but the second the gods got involved he was completely out of his depth. “How does it feel to be helpless” is how he has felt since the Zeus took his autonomy and has continued throughout Poseidon’s rampage.

[@bdana7848]

In Duvetbox's animatic, the flashes while Poseidon is getting stabbed correlate to the lyrics being sung at the time. Feel helpless/Baby, Friends die in horror/Polites, Heard their final moments/crew being drowned, Look what you turned me into/Sirens dying, Pain that I've been through/Eurylochus. Also notice that Odysseus is stabbing Eurylochus in the back with the trident.

[@Shaphi95]

"What did she do to deserve this" Depending on the interpretation, she joined and helped her Father, Atlas and the other Titans to enslave and subjugate humanity for all time. So a little more than stealing a cookie.

[@damsonrhea]

I mean, in some myths the Titans where _better_ to humanity than the Greek gods - they ruled over the 'golden age.' And Cylepso generally was suppose to have been a child during the war, so... a child siding with their parents. Yeah, her punishment if pretty darn questionable.

[@Shaphi95]

@damsonrhea It was a time before humanity had fire or any will of their own. It was a golden age for humanity just as farm animals have the perfect life until they're slaughtered. All the good that Humanity knows, art, ingenuity, hope, love, etc. were all given (or stolen) from the Gods.

[@Shaphi95]

​@@damsonrheaAlso, children rebelling against their parents for the greater good is a common theme in their family. Kronos chopped up his dad, then Zeus chopped up Kronos. When referring to immortals them being "children" isn't that much of an excuse.

[@damsonrhea]

@@Shaphi95 I mean, the one who gave humanity fire was a Titan, and he was punished for it. Wouldn't put the gods in a better light here.

[@Shaphi95]

@damsonrhea That's why I mentioned stolen. Prometheus and his brother were sided with Humanity and Zeus against the other Titans. Are the gods good? No. But were they better than the titans who were content to let us be dumb animals? The world peace offered by the Titans came at the price of stagnant meaningless life.

[@milliegoodwin5389]

Charybdis is pronounced Ka-rib-dis, she's actually very close geographically to scylla When Odysseus was in this part of the ocean last time, he was advised to go through Scylla's lair, his only other choice was to go through Charybdis' water; which wouldn't be possible to manoeuvre with the ship he had at the time

[@Cinder5andA5he5]

39:17 After Odysseus sings 'you didn't stop when I begged you', you can hear the Prophet's motif. Finalising No Longer you. He was on the brink of death, he drew his final breath, and the one that makes it to Ithaca was the monster

[@AirQuotes2962]

You should 100% react to the livestream for the Ithaca saga! It means you'll actual see the canon visuals rather than fanmade animatics, and get the story as it's intended! I love the animatics, we all do, but it's nice to know you aren't misinterpreting something.

[@Honk_Legion]

Commenting to boost this rn

[@AirQuotes2962]

@@Honk_Legion Thanks!

[@megarotom1590]

I have mixed feelings on it… like on one hand yah on the other hand sometimes the official animations are just… less good. I mean I am so glad she did the Duvetbox 600 strike instead of the one in the livestream

[@cojec]

@@megarotom1590 Normally my first listen is always the most emotional for me, but I was just laughing at the goofy visuals during the livestream and sobbing later while watching Duvetbox's animatic. The official animator was really talented, but they didn't do the song justice.

[@settingittowumbo1953]

Unfortunately since he’s in Greece it won’t come out in time

[@fabriziobiancucci7702]

I love the final maniac smile of Poseidon. In the end, even if he was defeated, he won. The man that returned to Itaca now know to be ruthless just like he wanted. He is the real winner of their enmity

[@lop90ful1]

I love how the animatic interpreted the bag and Poseidon having that smile

[@everettjoseph6189]

Well at the end i dont think that was supposed to be a smile cause if you see the eyes it mainly felt like shock he smiled with him expecting a certain answer from odysseus with the question "how will you sleep at night" but then odysseus just knocks him down with a flipant answer of he will be sleeping next to his wife unbothered

[@fabriziobiancucci7702]

@@everettjoseph6189 Bro he literally laughs in the end, maniacally too. He is happy, he knows he has won

[@mattiastelister833]

I'll be honest, I hate this interpretation. To me the point of Six Hundred Strike is to show the folly in Posydon's philosophy, that Ruthlesness is only mercy upon yourself when you are the one with the power. The reason Posydon did all of this wasn't to show Odysseus specifically that "Ruthlesness is mercy upon ouserlves" it is to enact and enforce this point of view, he hated Odysseus for defying it and wanted to show him that he was a naive fool by making him suffer before killing him. At no point is it implied that he actively wants Odysseus to turn into a monster, he wanted him to have acted like a monster, but that is done, now Posydon wants him dead to prove his worldview right, Odysseus escapes Posydon by surprising him with the Wind Bag, he fully intended to kill Odysseus and was being ruthless by making an example out of him (killing him straight away would have been more pragmatic, but not really more ruthless, making him watch his friends die is way more ruthless imo) Posydon did everything to prove that he is cold, to prove that he is right, to let Odysseus get off would be to bring shame upon himself. Yet, by doing all that he forced Odysseus' hands and ended up getting beat up and tortured by a mortal(ish), I don't think that is an outcome that is particularly good for Posydon, that is even more embarassing than showing mercy one time, specially at Get in the Water qhen he had already ruined his life. At no point is it shown in the songs themselves that Posydon planned for this, he was more than willing to drown Odysseus in Get in The Water, when Odysseus defeats him he tried to do a "gotcha!" with the wind bag and is genuinely surprised when Odysseus decides to torture him. His pleas seem all to be genuine, Posydon is genuinely shocked to see his own ideology backfiring on him, so much so that he can't even bear to hear Odysseus finish "Ruthlessness is Mercy Upon Ourselves". Then, Posydon asks Odysseys how he will sleep at night, I personally intepret that as a genuine question, not just for Odysseus, but for himself, since he has finally realized how it feels to be on the other side of the trident of ruthlessness and grasps the weight of what he himself has done. To me, the beauty of Six Hundred Strike is that it proves that Posydon's ideology is flawed, in attempting to be ruthless and make Odysseus suffer instead of sparing himself the trouble that comes with people thinking he's soft, he condemns himself to an even worse outcome of being tortured and humiliared (which to a god is a pretty big deal). If Posydon had heeded the lesson Odysseus tried to teach the Cyclops and had been more merciful towards Odysseus, either during Ruthlessness or Get in The Water, he would both have been much better off. "Look what you turned me into", "Look what we've become", Odysseus knows that he has become a monster, it wasn't a grand trick by Posydon, when Odysseus tried to reason with him one last time in Get in the Water he knew that this was his last chance to reach home as a Man. Posydon's ideology is indeed that "Ruthlesness is mercy upon ourselves", but this doesn't mean that Odysseus proved him right and that he won, because Posydon forced him to go that far, Odysseus gave him a chance to back out, but "he couldn't, and Posydon's Ruthlesness made both of them end up way worse off in the end. While Posydon was being tortured, he didn't realize he won because Odysseus was being ruthlesness, he realized his ruthlesness failed him and that he was wrong all along, and he realized the pain that his beliefs bring firsthand. People love to belittle Odysseus for calling out to the Cyclops. While it was certainly dumb and an emotionally charged decision, had the Cyclops and Posidon heeded his lesson, everyone would have indeed been better off, Posydon did exactly the same thing as his son, with the same results

[@fabriziobiancucci7702]

@@mattiastelister833 Bro the song means exactly that, but that is not what Poseidon perceive. Because yes, in the end, Poseidon technically won. The ideology is flawed, but despite this Odysseus chose it. This is all Poseidon needed to know that in the end he was right. Also, technically the only reason Odysseus was able to survive until now is because Poseidon himself wasn't completely ruthless with him (he spared him in their initial confrontation, giving him time to escape), so the lesson was for him too. In the end, in the eyes of Poseidon, everything went exactly as he had told. If the ideology is flawed, that is something that us spectators has to judge, not Poseidon. For him, the victory is absolute

[@323starlight]

Also one interpretation ive heard of 600 strikes is the reason Poseidon sings as he's whaling in pain, his screams of pain are music to Odysseus' ears.

[@Foggystreets]

I think those are jokes?

[@TearsOfLa]

If you listen closely, Calypso's choir is just her and Odysseus with different pitches. Those are literally the only voices she has to draw from to make her choir. Though with that cool songwriting note out of the way here's my Calypso take. Love in paradise and Not sorry for loving you are a masterclass in writing emotional manipulation, and the fan divide on Epic Calypso is proof of it. Shes not sorry for what happened, shes sorry that he didn't give in. She ignored his pleas and tried to force him into a relationship even after being told no for years. In the end when she has to see him off, she hits him with "Im sorry my love was too much for you" as though it was his fault that things were bad on her island. She says "I wish you would lie and say 'i love you'" meaning she knew the whole time he didn't care about her and was still trying. then trows a tantrum when he says that he doesn't feel the same way about her, like "Why wont you just love me back 'married man trapped in my divine prison cell with me" Yet there are people who defend Calypso as just a hopeless romantic, lovestruck with the first man she meets and that she really was only the victim after she was placed on Ogygia, without realizing that she is the embodiment of the idea of "Abusers were victims themselves, and they perpetuate the cycle" Its manipulation so cleanly delivered that it even manipulated the fans into believing her! chefs kiss beautiful instrumentals, beautiful voice, beautiful writing. A+ song

[@MusicLover97ization]

2:32 The thing with Calypso is you can feel bad for her situation in both the musical and the actual story, it's a crappy situation, but she still kidnapped Odysseus and tried to make him fall in love with her so she wouldn't be alone anymore

[@wajmgirl]

She didn’t kidnap him? Odysseus got put there by Zeus. That’s the whole reason why God Games is a thing.

[@MusicLover97ization]

@wajmgirl that's why he's on the island but, she refuses to try and help him leave, she wants him there so she's not alone anymore, that's still kidnapping, being held captive at least. He clearly can leave the island now after God Games, so she could've possibly helped him try to leave if she wanted too.

[@doot1doo1]

@@MusicLover97izationi mean. obviously she didn't want him to leave but also "no one can come or go" she definetely didn't think it was even possible for anyone to leave the island.

[@NoisyBoy153]

The story is debatable sense she 🍇 Odysseus

[@WolfanTerror]

​@@NoisyBoy153 it's confirmed that she didn't in epic.

[@WoopsieWooper]

To be clear the wind bag is the same as last time. They both have Poseidon’s raging storm within it so that it doesn’t block Ody. If he didn’t have the wind bag Ody wouldn’t be able to get home because Poseidon’s storm would be stopping him from getting home like it was the first time. You could argue why not the gods just hold the bag so it doesn’t risk opening up again, but that would be too easy. The gods are giving him another chance home, not a free ticket. So it’s up to Ody to get home still and as such up to him to keep Poseidon’s storm in the bag if he wants to get home.

[@Honk_Legion]

,,,his raging storm (Im sorry)

[@manusiabiasa200]

43:40 600 strike is probably the most recomended for this, since that song is kind of an open for interpretation for animator (the getting poseidon down part). oh and the canon route is ody using the bag as a jetpack

[@LycanMOON]

I like to picture it as how the windbag would have worked in the first SpongeBob movie Maneuvering the wind to go the direction you want

[@enigmatic2878]

I like to picture the 600 strike to be one massive burst Ody rides on and uses that burst of movement to swiftly close in the gap to Poseidon and strike with the force of a hundred men

[@-mittensradio-2171]

@enigmatic2878ah, the Soul Eater anime righteous one-punch route

[@DParkerNunya]

Odysseus steering the raft with his teeth while maniacally grinning is the sexiest he's ever been. Duvetbox did NOT need to make him that attractive, hot damn

[@Gunthersby]

You can see how much Odysseus has turned for the worse in the torture scene while simultaneously knowing just how badly Poseidon had it coming in this story, on top of Odysseus doing only exactly what he needed to; he still stopped when Poseidon gave in, so there's a cold calculating cruelty at work rather than just blind rage

[@alyssaj8779]

Eurylochus coming back with "Look at all we've lost and all we've learned" made me think he's saying "you had BETTER live Odysseus, me and SIX HUNDRED OTHER MEN did not die just for you to not even get home asshole!!"

[@nicholaspaynter3581]

To make this clear, as I don't see many talking about this point, the wind bag was important because the storm was inside. You may think "why give it to him if he's not supposed to open it?" but it boils down to it needs to be his journey and task with minimal assistance from the gods and if the story wasn't in the bag it would be in the sky trying to kill him (as I know by the end you saw). Also it was always Poseidon's storm, but without wind there can't be much of a storm.

[@RensStoryteller]

My favorite theory is thar the reason Poseidon sang while being stabbed was because his cries were "Music" to Odysseus' ears.

[@icemagiciangh]

You should totally check out Ximena’s Wouldn’t You Like? She basically started the look of Hermes having the shadow over his eyes, and it’s great to see her draw him again. Came full circle with his vibes. I love how Ximena showed Odysseus being so hesitant to take the bag, due to what it brought last time. (Also, 110% check the livestream version of this, and the Ithaca Saga. Hermes energy is 12/10. And… 32:40 definitely check out the canon version for that part. Excited and terrified for the finale).

[@ultima1594]

People were confused about why Odysseus says I love you to Calypso. The man has been there living with her for seven years, he goes to bond at least a little with her whether he likes it or not. She is a victim of the gods also.

[@area52ron]

I think it’s pity

[@PupGamer93]

The Greek have multiple types of love. I feel he grew to care for her as a companion (platonically) on an island where she is literally the only other person.

[@agatha6999]

My interpretation is that he is grateful she talked him off the edge at the end of Love in Paradise even if its kinda her fault so says it out of both pity but also a bit of gratitude over that

[@DuckIt_WeBall]

I saw a comment once that he did it so she could hate him instead of long for him, as hate is an easier emotion to get over than unreciprocated love. It may not be the actual case, but it's what I like to believe

[@agatha6999]

@@DuckIt_WeBall Oooo I like that one

[@Oszy626]

The most satisfying part of this to me is that Odysseus did give Poseidon a chance. He asked him to stop, to learn to forgive. Poseidon considered it, then refused, thereby earning all that happens to him later.

[@Raideortega]

Weeby continuing her tradition of empathizing with everyone except Odysseus.

[@Maryam-bt7kg]

I swear

[@Maryam-bt7kg]

She’s empathizing with the suitors😭😭😭😭

[@MesoJoe]

"at least she apologized" ...erm, a lot of 'if I did x' like she thinks she didn't do so, and also victim blaming 'sorry my love's too much for you'... She's honestly a perfect mix of beautiful sounding and just wrong sounding lyrics for the character Also the storm was always Poseidon's it started immediately after polyphemus after all, and uses Poseidon's instruments

[@crazeefilipina]

motifs and things I heard during Six Hundred Strike: 34:04 Danger motif 34:13 Aeolus' motif 35:07 Poseidon's instrument/motif (?) (Idk I'm stupid sorry) 35:08 There's an electric guitar based on Odysseus's mood right now, slay you angy Dark Quickthought monstah( Jay said the type of guitar matches his mood lol) 36:48 Different Beast motif (guess what song ✨✨) 39:16 Around this part, Jay hid a sneaky Tiresias motif >:( (If you listen closely lol-) HAHA GUYS IM SORRY IF YOU TYPED SOMETHING LIKE THIS-

[@Elbazzinga]

Fun fact: The last parts Ody and Poseidon sing are each other's parts Ody sings "didn't you say that ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves?" Poseidon sings "You monster" Representing how they switch places from their last encounter

[@MusicLover97ization]

7:58 in the musical? No she didn't. In the actual story, OH GOD YES 😂 they even had a kid

[@yannaneshay9343]

So did he and Circe

[@MusicLover97ization]

@yannaneshay9343 also true. I feel like that one was a little different tho. Odysseus chose to do that (thru Hermes suggestion so he could get his men back alive but still) he didn't really get a choice with Circe 😅😅

[@terra4822]

​@yannaneshay9343 That not "canon" of Odyssey, because it's not. Homer who wrote it. It's basically just a ancient fanfiction. Same having kids with Calypso.

[@comandantethorn9929]

@@MusicLover97ization him having to do it with Circe was not a suggestion by Hermes, Hermes told him, after defeating her you HAVE to sleep with her

[@MusicLover97ization]

@@comandantethorn9929 point still stands. It's different then what happened with Calypso

[@area52ron]

“How does it feel to be helpless” Like the baby was helpless and Odysseus angry that there couldn’t be a better option

[@RayGainbows]

"Dont look at me like that👉👈 Im not Penelope😞" killed me 🤣

[@pocketfullofbees7071]

With the line about gouging Telemachus’ eyes in ‘Get in the Water’, that’s a direct reference to Odysseus blinding the cyclops, and also probably the phrase “an eye for an eye”

[@falcoskywolf]

The way I see it when Odysseus says "I love you" to Calypso, is that he's twisting the knife. She kept him away from his love for seven years, and now he's giving her one final reason to be upset that he's going to be gone. He's been miserable every day that he's been there. Even if he has ANY love for her, he's still largely ruled by the Monster at this point. He's being ruthless with her emotions and letting her stew in her misery like she forced him to.

[@Maximus-ed6ij]

As he should

[@peachyytown]

omgggg thank you so much for reacting to my animatic!!! Im so glad you liked it

[@KefkeWren]

So, Calypso was the daughter of Atlas, one of the titans who fought against the gods. According to some accounts, Atlas was even the leader, which would certainly fit with his punishment of being made to carry the weight of the heavens. So, basically, Calypso was exiled for who her father was, but as a mercy, she was sent to an island paradise and more or less put under house arrest, instead of being locked away in Tartarus beneath the underworld like most of the titans were. Also, something to note in Dangerous is that at the beginning, when it's calling back to Full Speed Ahead, it isn't just the crew's voices that are missing. Jorge has said that different characters are represented by instruments, to the point that the lack of Penelope's instrument in Suffering served as a hint to the siren being an impostor. So, while Full Speed Ahead was very bombastic and orchestrated, the beginning of Dangerous has only Odysseus' guitar. The instruments which represent the crew are also gone.

[@RandomTransGurl]

Fun fact about 600 strike. The music cue before ody says "you're gonna call off that storm" is the same one from Different beast

[@PoseidonsWinionDaughter26483]

0:15 the way I cackled-

[@allthingsjustice6465]

I was oooh girl....

[@maramghali7790]

39:18 In 600 Strike you could hear tireseas motif when ody is all like “you didn’t stop when I begged you ” to reference his prophecy coming true of him ‘no longer’ being a good person and ‘becoming the monster’

[@EagleKid]

Will you see the Ithaca saga on release? Jorge will be doing a full listen of the entirety of EPIC: The Musical on Christmas eve at 9 Est

[@matytuan9281]

9 am or pm? (Crying in European)

[@EagleKid]

​@matytuan9281 9 p.m. est, which is 8 pm cst. Timezones suck lol

[@fernandasemideus497]

About the wind bag, since the first time the wind god trapped Poseidon's storm inside the bag (it was right after Storm). So once Ody openned the bag the storm was back to the cost of Ithaca and even year after he would not be able to reach ithaca bc of it. So hermes gets a second wind bag with the storm rapped inside from the wind god, so Ody can actualy reach Ithaca

[@blamFTW]

I would definitely watch the live stream! Jorge always has the subtitles for the lyrics and will add text to build the story for you. Plus, he always has some kind of animatic or other art in the live stream. Definitely worth it!!

[@RacketEPIC]

Fun Fact! Hermes in "Dangerous" actually gives Odysseus a wind bag, specifically Aeolus's wind bag, from all the back in "Keep Your Friends Close", this is rhe reason why the Winions, who are created by Aeolus, appear with Hermes and sing with him the exact same melody introduced in Keep Your Friends Close in Dangerous, and the reason why Aeolus's melodic motif plays during the opening of Six Hundred Strike, as he us opening her wind bag, in Duvetbox's animatic (the one you watched) Aeolus, herself also appears the exact moment Odysseus opens bag* to counter Poseidon's Tsunami!

[@josiaharaki7310]

5:37 Given that, in the original, Calypso explicitly forced herself on him repeatedly, to the point he was so broken he'd spend his days sobbing on the beach and the nights as little more than her sex slave, depending on how much of that happened in this version, he may well be saying that knowing it would hurt her, giving her hope for a moment, just to rip it away, just as he must have felt every time he tried to escape and she thwarted him. Edit: Freudian slip. Said Circe instead of Calypso

[@finanightmare1993]

* Calypso

[@Honk_Legion]

Freudian Slip 😭

[@josiaharaki7310]

@Honk_Legion yeah. Was thinking about how much Gwendy's Circe looks like Irisviel Von Einzbern from Fate.

[@theinfamoustom]

18:34 I always felt it was a way for the gods to put his fate in his hands as a mortal. It's like here, I've removed this obstacle for you, but it's up to you to keep it contained.

[@hutothetao]

15:50 the bag basically captures the storm, so he won’t encounter any storms unless he opens the bag

[@ruruprime1280]

If you havent seen it, the Open Arms Reaction channel did a analysis video with THE Duvetbox and they go into detail about the reasons why they drew what they did during "600 Strike" its very interesting.

[@Mechmoon-ov1jk]

AAAAH IM SO GLAD YOU WATCHED MY FAV ANIMATIC OF GET IN THE WATER! The others were all also incredible for the songs. This has been my favourite saga so far, but Ithaca may change that!

[@Coffee_Cat108]

11:31 If you love Ximena's art (coughOdy'sboobscough) then you should watch appetite. It's a deleted song about another way Ody escaping Calypso's Island; it's short, funny and has a topless Ody haha 🤭

[@skyden4637]

Ithaca saga is coming out Wednesday!!

[@shiro4833]

18:26 The first storm was also Poseidon's. They took the his storm and put it in the bag. Poseidon created a storm around Ithaca to basically function as a wall that wouldn't let Odysseus and his men get closer, then Aeolas took the storm, put it in the bag and as long as it's there, Ithaca is accessible. When Eurylochus opened the first bag, he released the storm again, that's why the motif from "Storm" came back in "Keep your friends closer". Now they're confirming that the storm was always Poseidon's, was meant to stop Odysseus and Aeolas trapped it in the bag again, saying "You fucked up last time, here, I did this because the other gods asked nicely, not doing it again". And when he inevitably does release the storm again, he has to find another way to deal with the storm...like torturing its creator into calling it off.

[@DoomKitty765]

YES YOUR MENTION OF XIMENA'S ODYSSEUS DESIGN WAS THE VINDICATION I WANTED!!

[@ZeroJ]

And he'll finally be home on Christmas, The Ithaca Saga drops on Christmas!!! And the longer the songs are out there are more Animatics that drop. Dangerous got a really good one recently

[@spookyspook07]

so not very fun fact. In the Odyssey Calypso actually forces herself onto Odysseus EVERY NIGHT against his will, and every morning he walks around the shores of the island crying for it and thinking about his wife

[@drawingjunkie7131]

Finally the Vengeance Saga!!!! I do think you should totally react to the livestream since the visuals can help understand Epics version of the Odyssey better than fan animatics. Honestly I’d say watch the full livestream possibly on your own time for that same reason. Jay also explains a lot of his interpretations on his KZbin and social media so you could look there for more info on Epic’s version of characters such as Calypso.

[@SingerKillerJaetch]

Thank you as always for the reaction, it's always a pleasure to see it! If you're looking for Ithaca Saga animatics, Ximena Natzel just uploaded her animatic of "The Challenge" and it's DEFINITELY a tearjerker!

[@jjcreator8886]

41:33 that beat is actually the danger motif it’s used both as monsters attack Ody and when Ody becomes the danger himself. I would also recommend looking into the motifs as they are pretty cool, there’s one for Penelope, the wind bag, etc Also all the characters have their own specific instruments that represent them. For example Penelope’s is a viola and when the siren sings it’s a different instrument alluding to the fact that’s she’s not really Penelope.

[@vyrarose4773]

The storm was always poseidons storm, thats why they needed the original windbag in the ocean saga. In "storm" he says "is it nature or divine" because the storm is so unnatural. When asking for the original bag he says "our path to home is blocked by an impenetrable storm". There was no way to get through the storm alive and it was never going to pass, as poseidon is known to cause natural disasters. Thats also why they say to the sirens "say i was on the run from.. idk Poseidon, and lets say he blocked the way home with giant waves and giant storms". His last obstacle is poseidon and his storm.

[@flingkong24]

Props to Charybdis' singer Dyson Vacuum for his performance.

[@orein1880]

Special shout-out to Pringles can for the acting behind the scenes

[@Redbikemaster]

Oh I could've sworn it was Kirby or Bissell

[@area52ron]

When the profit said he saw Odysseus draw his final breath I think he meant that it was the last breath of the old Odysseus while the new Odysseus took his first breath

[@jibjibs9401]

Poseidon actually has his own hot wife but he’s also the most prolific cheater even more than Zeus.

[@Honk_Legion]

Whose his wife?

[@ronaldolson6553]

Can't recall off the top of my head, but at least in the Riordanverse, she doesn't mind Poseidon sleeping around. They let each other do their own thing, and she's actually quite nice to his extramarital children, Percy Jackson included. Unlike Zeus with Hera, Hera explicitly NOT being okay with it, and Zeus doing it anyway. So yeah, in that setting at least, not sure about the original myths, Zeus is the bigger cheater, despite doing it slightly less, because Poseidon has permission from his wife, so it doesn't really count as cheating.

[@qwerty_qwerty]

@@Honk_Legion Amphitrite

[@katia8136]

If Calypso has no haters then I am dead. 😅

[@halo2dom3nat10n]

Every time someone mentions Athena during the Vengeance Saga, I just think of Jay's impression of her during the Vengeance Saga.

[@Hiddenmonkey10]

My headcanon for 600 strike is that Poseidon was playing into the bit of being tortured. Like, yeah I'm sure it hurt, but at the same time, he's had to have had worse in the past. He was playing it up until Odysseus admitted that Ruthlessness is mercy, which is what he was trying to teach him the whole time. This would explain the smirk at the end when (and after) he asks how he'll sleep at night. Now Ody knows the lesson and has taken it to heart.

[@theblackdragon4424]

Fun fact: (as explaind by Jorge himself.) The melodie of the line: "maybe you could learn to forgive" is a slowed down version of the melodie of the line "ruthlessness is mercy apon ourselfs" I always feel like that part of get in the water Poseidon is like: "No Odyseuss, it is Ruthlessness is mercy apon our selfs."

[@chromium_ink]

Apollo after healing Athena: “Sooo, you good?” Athena: “Yes.” *Poseidon drags in his body that has been turned into swiss cheese Apollo: Athena: Poseidon: Apollo: “I have been awaiting you…”

[@cloversghostsings]

9:30 Calypso was banished for supporting HER FATHER Atlas (famously known for holding up the sky) during the Titanomachy, that was it, so yes stealing a cookie from the cookie jar.

[@Shaphi95]

If only there were a recurring theme of children defying their parents for the greater good in Greek mythology (Kronos, Zeus, etc.)

[@jibjibs9401]

Calypso being banished or trapped is never said.

[@agatha6999]

That is Percy Jackson not actual greek myth. Atlas just abandoned her there

[@Shaphi95]

@agatha6999 Not Percy Jackson, and your version isn't from the actual myth either if you want to get pedantic. In the original Homer, she just lives there of her own free will.

[@Kamarovsky_KCM]

NO SHE WASN'T! That's made up for the Percy Jackson books! I beg you to STOP spreading this stupid misinformation!

[@323starlight]

Charybdis is actually a personification of massive Whirlpools that plagued certain parts of the Mediterranean.

[@jakerollo892]

poseidon's screams are so melodic because their music to odysseus ears!

[@area52ron]

In the original story Calypso SA’s Odysseus and the Romans said he deserved it Calypso doesn’t love Odysseus but she loves the IDEA of him Calypso is not a innocent person maybe naive but not innocent in the slightest although she can be pity’d enough for Odysseus to lie and say “I love you” like she asked but not enough to lie and say it’s anything deeper than pity Charybdis is Poseidons daughter who was mutated into what we see her now that’s why Poseidon doesn’t go near Scylla because it brings up bad memories of how he lost his daughter or how his daughter was hurt and he couldn’t prevent it Due to Zues decreeing Odysseus can go home Poseidon can’t kill him directly which is why he says “Get in the water” basically telling him to KYS and that’s why he threatened Odysseus family to get him to do it because if he did then he technically didn’t go against Zues’ decree as Odysseus did it himself and also it will humiliate Odysseus. Which is why he doesn’t stab Odysseus but is pushing him under the water The storm is cursed with temptation “Next to my wife” Translation: I won’t be sleeping at night but I’ll at least be next to my wife (I see you draw your final breath. I see a man who gets to make it home alive but it’s no longer you)

[@finris1]

In my headcannon, Poseidon had been waiting for Odysseus at the shores of Ithica since Ruthlessness. All of the crew's efforts to flee from Poseidon's sight didn't matter, and Poseidon didn't care that it took 7 years for his waiting to pay off, as a decade is nothing to a god.

[@emberwoodruff9698]

From my pov it seems like calypso has victim mentality from her previous trauma which is why she doesnt listen to Odysseus, she always feels like the victim despite being the one forcing him into a romantic situation (not an excuse but a reason)

[@niapurdue230]

According to Jay, she's physically an adult but mentally a toddler due to her prolonged isolation.

[@emberwoodruff9698]

@niapurdue230 mentally a child, yeah, still fits what I say I feel though. She feels like a child and isn't mature enough to look at things from Odysseus's perspective nor does she try to

[@niapurdue230]

@emberwoodruff9698 oh exactly.

[@komo4924]

@@emberwoodruff9698it makes me wonder if she even knows how to take his opinion into account, she hasn’t socialized for 100 years and if we go by Greek background her last interaction with people was during a war, I don’t think she even knows how to act with another person or how to change her life around them since all she’s known basically her whole life is herself and her own thoughts. Doesn’t excuse what she did but i don’t dislike her. She did a bad thing but from the looks of it she didn’t fully understand the effect she was having.

[@anyathepanther7977]

16:00 he is giving him the Bag becouse only Aoles can trap the Storm and if Poseidon went to Aoles and demanded of her to release the Storm, she would have to comply. She is a God, but both Poseidon and Zeus outrank her. "Sorry, i dont have the Bag."

[@nyn647]

I think the reason he receives the bag again in Dangerous is more for exposition purposes. "This storm was made by the god who hates you to make sure you never get home, but we bottled it up and as long as it stays that way, you have a chance to get home. If it's opened, you're fucked."

[@mexilatingirlar]

Oh my gosh!!! You're caught up with the rest of us! I hope you'll be able to react to the Ithaca saga live, because its such a cool experience! Seeing everyone in the chat be just as excited to see everything for the first time is such a vibe!

[@RayGainbows]

The livestream would be awesome! And you can check out the animatics later when full ones are made.

[@SukunaRyomen-JJK]

41:36 Poseidon had a realization moment 😂 bro knew he was cooked

[@radicaledward84]

Love your energy and the fast rate at which you spew out your thoughts. I'm looking forward to you reacting to the rest!

[@Slythergriff]

16:47 Poseidon sent both storms (this one and the one in the Ocean saga) to prevent Odysseus from reaching Ithaca. The bag traps the storms so that Odysseus can even try to get home.

[@someoneold5426]

Jorge has said that the reason Poseidon was singing stop and the screams sounded musical was because it was music to Odysseus’s ears…

[@peewoop4989]

37:50 Poseidon screams of pain were tuned to sound like singing because his cries of pain sound like music to Odysseus : D

[@MattyTheG]

30:06 the spirits were actually holding him down in the Canon animatic

[@icemagiciangh]

“If I came on too strong.” Girl, his first words were about his wife. Her situation absolutely sucks, but she still manipulated him, whether she realized it or not. “I’m sorry if my love’s too much for you.” The KZbinr apology vibes are real. But I am with you that Zeus should let her go. Man was going to let Odysseus rot there. Can we get Zeus therapy, or intervention, or whatever the heck he needs to get over himself? I’d back that 😂

[@AlexSilverCat]

No Athena (sadness...) but Hermes and Poseidon are awesome. Fingers crossed for our favorite goddess in Ithaca Saga! (camps by the computer, waiting, wa~~~~iting...)

[@MarianGonzalez-gt1wd]

OMG, i just realized! The ending of Not Sorry for Loving You sounds, if not the same, quite similar to Puppeteer. To that part when Eurylicos returns, when the music changes and takes on a sinister tone.

[@SnottyIsMe123]

Can’t wait for that Ithaca saga video

[@besthokage7822]

The new saga just dropped and I would recommend checking for trigger warnings beforehand

[@Hobo359]

(writing comment slowly as we go) Sadly Calypso never finds love in actual mythology but in the Rick Riodan book series Percy Jackson she finds love with a guy named Leo Valdez Side note Odysseus is Hermes' great grandson Car-rib-des- The fan theory for Odysseus' red eyes is that Ares gave him a boon

[@Rowan-g5n]

Well... She finds a very TOXIC relationship with Leo...

[@Peachthecat2024]

9:46 SHE GOT Spanish for helping Kronos during of the Titan war 👉👈

[@Honk_Legion]

,, No, she helped Atlas. Not Kronos. Also - Spanish????

[@Peachthecat2024]

@sorry abt i do know that i was using text to speech

[@Fxrnymph]

The only thing I'm craving right now is your reaction to the Ithaca saga

[@Chrysomolus]

17:57 Hermes and ody are related

[@julsdemers4740]

i believe specifically Odysseus is Hermes's great great grandson? correct me if that's the wrong amount of "greats" there 😅

[@Chrysomolus]

@ you would also be correct

[@Frostfern94]

I love EVERY song with Poseidon in it. Ruthlessness, Get in the Water, and 600 strike are definitely among my favs. Also the underworld.

[@Kadmos_of_Tyr]

The bag isnt about temptation, it was poseidon's storm the first time too, its literally keeping the storm from stopping him

[@agatha6999]

Calypso was NOT banished for crimes. Thats a story from Percy Jackson. She just lives there and is stuck there since she’s the goddess of the island living there since shes a kid

[@onepurplegamer7605]

Maybe in actual Greek mythology… but for Epic at least it seems she’s there as a punishment or at least against her will? The lyrics specifically say she was “cast away”, so she hasn’t always been there and she didn’t voluntarily go. At least that’s what makes sense to me?

[@agatha6999]

@@onepurplegamer7605 I feel like if she was sent there as punishment she wouldve 100% said that more directly as it gives her a parallel to Odysseus. I personally believe based on the cast away wording she was just abandoned there as a kid

[@onepurplegamer7605]

​@agatha6999 Sure, but I'd still say that there's a pretty significant difference between "she lives there" and "she was abandoned". Regardless of whether its punishment or not, she definitely didn't choose to be there.

[@MaxWelton]

14:24 we interrupt this Homer homage to bring you Moana

[@settingittowumbo1953]

In the canon interpretation, odysseus uses the bag as a jetpack and speed blitzes Poseidon it’s so over the top I love it 😂

[@thesaltybeard1793]

35:18 considering the last person who cosplayed as penelope...i wouldnt try your luck.... *sirens panicking*

[@Redbikemaster]

LET'S CUT THE CHARADE