Can You Beat DIABLO 2 With Only Thorns?

[@IveBeenWithBruma]

I think you can take the bosses out of the arena to force diablo to spawn.

[@LotharinCW]

Unless it was changed in D2R, that's correct, you can kite them out onto the fire sea, and it should spawn Diablo.

[@mordsith1893]

Pretty sure you can still do this. Lure lord out of the area back to the river and Diablo should spawn in. Good luck!

[@Dankometer]

Can't wait for the updated run. You can also do a similar technique in baal's throne room to get rid of the casters, which would be the next road block.

[@morfy42]

Let's get this comment to the top so Lemon sees it

[@mikehawk8984]

For sure you can. Same thing with baal's waves as well

[@LgMark2200]

A Diablo Episode ? And Thorns Only ??? I love this Channel, all of my Favorite things all together.

[@AspenBrightsoul]

Hey, Flyingboots1, I was wondering if you have ever eaten a baby?

[@AspenBrightsoul]

@@Flyingboots1 Dude, why?

[@bmanlader3377]

The current like on this comment are at 666 🤣 🤣

[@Mal-NoName]

I would have been OK with you using non-thorns attacks to kill Lord de Seis just to see how the rest of the run goes. Also, as another commenter has pointed out, you can kite the 4 mini bosses out of the area and the game will think they're dead and spawn diablo😀

[@Foatizenknechtl]

yeah same :(

[@tarrantwalter524]

nah, you can't kite them out. thats never been a thing

[@hmr1122]

There are only 3 mini bosses and I just checked, after activating all seals and kiting the bosses outside to the river of flame Diablo does not spawn. After killing them outside of the sanctuary Diablo spawns like normal.

[@hassuseta]

I have tried this and it does not work. I lured de seis all the way to the wp and without luck..

[@krishnansubramoni7801]

I would love to see more Diablo 2 challenge runs if you're interested in doing them. Diablo 2 was part of my childhood and the Necromancer is still one of my favorite ever classes and the only game to get necromancy right.

[@kaltaron1284]

Have you tried it in Path of Exile?

[@Lodestone8]

I heartely agree but sadly must refrain from liking due to obvious reasons.

[@krishnansubramoni7801]

@@kaltaron1284 I tried playing path of exile for a few hours, but for some reason I did not find it fun. But this was many years ago, so I might try again if it has a true necromancer that can summon a dozen entities.

[@percher4824]

@@krishnansubramoni7801 Path of Exile is very much an acquired taste, so no worries about that. It caters to the crowd that wants overwhelmingly huge skill trees that practically require an external program to make a functioning build and an infinite grind to get there.

[@harithrazak799]

necrolover lets go

[@oniad9069]

Lemon, for future D2R runs. You can drink antidote before being poisoned. It giving you 75% resistance to poison which drastically reduces damage. Also, for this one, commenting in middle of video, you can find necromancer's wand with Iron maiden which is another sort of Thorns (from Ormus in chapter 3) for weapon swap P.S. not sure they are stack, but you can found some "attacker takes X damage" on items which even having same visual as thorns

[@jatisoem7472]

It's stacked, I believe

[@ericb3157]

one of my favorite tricks in Diablo 2 is a combo of the Necromancer's "iron maiden" skill and his "blood golem" skill. in the original game (not sure about the remake), that reflected damage counts as damage done BY the golem, which triggers the golem's "life steal" ability, making it GAIN health. easily beating any melee-type enemy. well, except the second major boss, since he also does Ice damage.

[@Foolishpleazure]

false,it only cures poison,it does not give you resistance to it....

[@Chargath81]

Also for future runs... on second weapon set, keep a staff with teleport charges to avoid getting stuck by ranged enemies or other annoying stuff. 😂

[@securatyyy]

Iron maiden multiplies the effect iirc

[@CrimsonLunar]

Was not expecting a Streetlight Manifesto reference, especially not the same one I make every time I fight Mephisto.

[@DirkDiglerTheNHunter]

Caught me too bro but I loved it

[@toshley6192]

Right lol

[@DragynSpyre]

I can honestly say I wasn't expecting Diablo, but I am all for it. More silly 'how did this work' content from Lemon is always fun

[@cranapple3367]

In case anyone is wondering, "durance" means "prison", more or less. The sense is "a place that one stays for a long time", with the same root as "durable", "endure", or "duration".

[@Abedeuss]

You probably could've done an Aura-only run in general. That'd leave you with Shock damage alternative for ranged enemies.

[@duffle881]

Holy fire became an extremely strong skill in D2R. At level 6 you get holy fore and can basically run through every area in the game until NM A4 when you start to see fire immune enemies

[@IveBeenWithBruma]

@@duffle881 It loses its effectiveness a5 normal and up. This is when you start seeing fire immunities.

[@duffle881]

@@IveBeenWithBruma no mandatory fire immune until a4nm iirc

[@IveBeenWithBruma]

@@duffle881 I think the mini bosses before Baal still contain immunities could be wrong though. It's been a very long time since I played non modded d2.

[@JetstreamRat]

Honestly Paladin is just really easy to play is, especially because of prayers and auras

[@NikozBG]

D2 veteran here and I've got a semi-solution for you. It's called a pacifist run and it is very close to what you're doing, but have a little bit laxer ruleset. So the pacifist run states that you can use any skill/item that does not do damage directly, but has to be triggered by an enemy attack. That gives you more tools to finish the run(spoiler alert - you can beat the whole game with it). The most important thing you need is gear that procs nova on hit. The suffix is called "of Nova Shield" and you can find it on all armour and amulets. You can shop it starting act 2. Since you mentioned mr Llama, I'm pretty sure he made a pacifist run video at some point.

[@imp_raziel]

This is need to be like 100k likes

[@coolboy2153]

He mentions this at around 25:00

[@NikozBG]

@@coolboy2153 well, I'm apparently deaf lol

[@emanuelperez3595]

What would be the most hard D2 challenge to do? Im coming from the dark soul series so im looking for hard challenges but im like super new in D2. As in never played it. But i want a challenge. D3 was awfully easy and lame sadly.

[@NikozBG]

​@@emanuelperez3595 So Diablo 2 is one of those games, that can be very difficult if you lack game knowledge and experience with it, so I would say, if you've never beat hell difficulty with a melee build do that first, because it's a hard enough thing for a new player to do. That being said, many people consider punch barb(barbarian using no weapons) to be the hardest, but it is soooooo slow and you need so much farming on lower levels to even progress. I can recommend it only for people having abundance of patience for it. My personal favourite is no shopping(including potions and scrolls) challenge. To be fair I've never beat the game with this challenge, I don't even know if it's possible, but you can try for yourself and tell me. Edit - I forgot to mention - the way I play the no shopping challenge is with extra restrictions - no talking to NPCs except when you need to progress, no TPs and no save and exits. Otherwise it's not that bad.

[@camrendilbeck]

Glad I’m not the only one who permanently has the map up in Diablo haha. It’s just so much more convenient to know exactly where you are. I would love to see more Diablo challenge runs to! Of any Diablo! It’s such a fun series and there’s quite an good depth of things you could do!

[@christianjendraschek8201]

As a Diablo II Fan for years and years i was a bit triggered by you not knowing how to proceed in the chaos sanctuary. But other than that: Perfect Masochism Episode right there. Well done ^^

[@keithwhite8091]

I love this game, I own the old version. I love that fact that your playing this and bringing back old memories.

[@darianclark3980]

Same here🖐

[@luhcsgrimm8857]

I wouldnt have minded you breaking the run for the one enemy to keep the run "alive" other than that yeah, love the video. Hope to maybe see more d2 in the future

[@ElmoWill]

Binging your entire channel while going through bad times, thanks man you're really helping more than you know ❤

[@brandon0981]

sad

[@13JackStorm]

I find that feeling old is relative. Comparing myself at a given age to people the same age these days, i feel twice my age.

[@velarswood]

Shows how old I am this 2gig game took up half the space on my brothers computer and he always bitched about it lol.

[@pyritepanx]

When you’re 20 it’s like you’re an old boomer on the internet and when you’re talking to people irl it’s like you’re a baby

[@ruileite4579]

@@pyritepanx why are you inside my head

[@13JackStorm]

I thought the same. If that's the case when you're 20, what about when nearer 30?

[@Azazantei]

No but fr though. Like is it just me a 20-ish Year Old that have a Childhood equivalent to a goddamn Boomer and shit like dayum PS1 damn Famicom and idk this PS2 Game felt goddamn Impressive. Because if i talk to a 20-ish dude they probably play Fortnite like really dude?

[@Lianthrelle]

Really cool to see if Diablo 2, fun tip about Prayer: every level in prayer also heals you while you have the antidote aura up, in the antidote aura is much cheaper to run.

[@Shezestriakis]

Correct! The antidote aura "Cleansing" does not cost mana, and is one of, if not the only, skill to receive its synergy bonus from items that give +Prayer!

[@lipayy9852]

​@@ShezestriakisI believe druid summons get their +skill synergy bonus

[@ao1778]

​@@lipayy9852... What?

[@dahn57]

Nice. One thing you should be doing is using the Horadric Cube to convert mana and health potions into regeneration potions. They work instantly and refill both life and health, unlike the slow uptick of the health potions 😉

[@Pubmaster32]

Please more Diablo 2 challenges, this is awesome. My favorite is the “rainbow” challenge where you play through the 3 difficulty with only 1 skill tree per difficulty.

[@theaureliasys6362]

Being a path of exile player who uses map overlay all the time, this is comfy. I can't see crap in normal mode, and this way I see where you're going.

[@PlanckBanck1]

Man, I grew up on this game, this is literal bliss. Thanks for all these amazing and entertaining challenge runs, lemon!

[@vincent112233445566]

Man, I saw this channel grow from 5k subs to 340k, your growth has been so phenomenal and i knew your channel would be a smash hit within the gaming community when i first saw your DS challenge runs, Keep up the AMAZING work Lemon, love your content to death ❤️

[@fredclasson7865]

Would be interesting to see if you can beat Diablo 2 using only equipment skills. Such as armors with novas, weapons/staffs with charges of damaging skills etc. Or do a Necromancer/Druid but damage can only be dealt with mercenaries.

[@AnimeCritical]

Mr Llama did this already.

[@gregorybarnard5593]

​@@AnimeCriticalSimpsons did it

[@colejones6765]

Hey Lemon, honestly your analytics could do a better job of telling how long I've been subscribed and watching you content, but it feels like years. I'm not an OG, or part of the initial buildup you've done, but you have really created something that I come back to often enough to be of note. Thank you for what you do, you do it well and those that watch love it. I hope even more good things come your way.

[@kweh8122]

Playing with the map open all the time and referencing streetlight manifesto has made me feel closer to lemon than ever before.

[@drewkent4053]

God, no game will ever stand up to the atmosphere of D2. Rouge Encampment is such a vibe

[@abysssalknight1783]

Lemon with the Streetlight reference! Super cool run as always!

[@austinallen8062]

Just when I thought I couldn't love you any more Lemon, you sneak in a Streetlight Manifesto reference.

[@while.coyote]

Now that's a true paladin right there, never lifting his hand in anger.

[@donaldbayley4162]

Appreciate the Streetlight Manifesto reference (since it looks like no one else has said it yet).

[@CN_Corbeau]

20:01 nice Streetlight Manifesto reference Lemon ;)

[@wadegraham9071]

Came to say this.

[@robertharrington9042]

The fact there's a Streetlight reference makes this great video. Was NOT expecting that in a D2 video!

[@purplehaze2358]

Imagine beating nearly an entire game as a glorified mobile cactus.

[@friendlyguy1383]

I'm just old enough that I was introduced to diablo at the ripe age of 5 and later diablo 2 at the age of 7 (without my parents knowledge). It was definitely the series that hooked me into arpgs. It's funny to see the game is playable up to diablo considering I think my first amateur build was a thorns armor barbarian as far as I can remember.

[@lolschrauber]

"Lemon wins by doing absolutely nothing"

[@TheDaveyjonesIII]

Considering how much i have played this game, it was awesome to see you attempt a specific build for it!

[@roberthunter479]

A Paladin who turns the other cheek.

[@N0rdW1nd]

"Can You Beat DIABLO 2 With Only Thorns?" I haven't watched the video yet but as a "seasoned D2 Veteran" all I can say is, no, you can't.

[@Be_And]

Never expected a Diablo 2 CBT build. _Nice._

[@universal_gamer]

So to make this run more potent, use an act 2 heal.merc. Your Torns aura extended to the merc and his heal aura to you, subsequently he has a melee attack that will help against non-melee enemies. -Universal Gamer

[@powwowken2760]

Did... Did Lemon just drop a Streetlight Manifesto reference?

[@DirkDiglerTheNHunter]

He did and we should all be here for it

[@Seryx7]

Gotta say, wasn't expecting to hear a Streetlight Manifesto reference today, but I am pleasantly surprised

[@manosbouzoubouzou1386]

Awesome as always Lemon! Love the content, keep up the great work, thanks for making my weekend worth it!

[@helpdeskjnp]

I am disappointed you gave up, however I have subscribed for more videos! I grew up playing Diablo 1 and 2, and I am probably close to your age. 49, as that’s probably why I get your humor and such! Great job sir!

[@michaelvigato3228]

You can lure Lord de Seis out of the Chaos Sanctuary, that will spawn Diablo Same for Baal throne room So yeah, I think the run is doable :)

[@lMarcusl]

It's not, cause he can't reach Baal. Madawc is an impassable obstacle. Only ranged attacks, no cheese.

[@MacroBioBoi]

Pulling Lord De Seis out of the Chaos Sanctuary does not spawn Diablo.

[@michaelvigato3228]

@@MacroBioBoi is this a remastered thing? I remember kiting him out of the chaos sanctuary with my blizz sorc to avoid dealing with him in LoD back in the days I don't have D2R installed at the moment to try it out, tough

[@MacroBioBoi]

@@michaelvigato3228 it definitely does not work in D2R and I'm near positive it doesn't work in LOD. It might have worked in D2 in an early patch.

[@Zeratultheking]

@@MacroBioBoi It absolutely works in LOD, I have done that several times. I don't however have remastered but it IS supposed to be the same exact code just with higher rez.

[@jimmy6844]

Unexpected but very welcome streetlight manifesto reference there! Thanks for the content, always a joy ❤

[@discgolfwes]

Shout out to the Streetlight Manifesto reference!

[@jackskelebone5656]

I can't wait for Lemon to play Lies of P, with only thermite (the fire bombs of that game) & continue the Fire Bomb Goddesses will

[@rasenshuriken7325]

Since you weren't using any physical attacks. You could have used the rune words "Spirit" for your sword and shield for a total of +4 to all skills.

[@JavaBum]

You have to be level 27 to use Spirit due to the Sol rune's level requirement. Also, the only 4-soc swords or shields you can get in normal come from Act 5 or the Cow Level that requires being the game on normal (thus doing Act 5). This is based off of the items ilvl, I believe, so even using the Act 5 soc quest wouldn't actually force 4 sockets on an item that was retrieved in a lower difficulty because the monster's level wasn't high enough. Also, those all require Act 5, but he got stuck on Act 4.

[@lionlp1235]

We need more Diablo content!

[@quidquopro1185]

The fact that you can do this is what makes Diablo II amazing. Wish they would have implemented a similar system in Diablo IV

[@tyrano1982]

Actually this looks a lot like the first time I beated diablo 2 back in early 2000s xD I believe you can do also with a necromancer because he had a cruse that does the same thing that thorns

[@whenachefbecomeahobo9731]

Fuck!! This is the most creative d2 content I’ve ever watched. Good job,mate.

[@TheBacklogs]

That is either very high praise or a very sad statement about d2 content these last 20+ years. O.o

[@deusexvesania1702]

Such a promising run. Such an anticlimactic ending. Fitting.

[@gaberielpendragon]

Chance to cast when struck is how you handle ranged units and help kill everything faster Defense is pretty meh. The shade at Mr llama is hilarious. Those potions also massively increase your resistance to that element. Speaking of resistance, wow do you need more of it. Heraldric shields with diamonds are great for that.

[@IveBeenWithBruma]

It's a thorns only run. The only way to deal with ranged isn't readily available. The stat is ranged attackers take X amount of damage which isn't on a lot of early game gear.

[@gaberielpendragon]

@@IveBeenWithBruma then it's instantly dead as the item modifier isn't thorns.

[@IveBeenWithBruma]

@@gaberielpendragon That is the definition of thorns damage. Indirect damage caused by an outlier and not a skill. It's just thorns for ranged but to a far lesser degree.

[@gaberielpendragon]

@@IveBeenWithBruma Only thorns is thorns damage, which is a percentile of damage returned to physical melee attacks from the aura of thorns. Attacker takes damage of x is a different mechanic that shows up on items. Most of the time when these runs are done, all versions of when struck are allowed. As that was specifically denied in this run, it's DOA before you even spawn in. With when struck, this run can complete hell difficulty. Of course, passive zon with cracked gear can also do that, so no, the game isn't all that hard.

[@patrickfuchs509]

No way I get surprised by a Streetlight Manifesto reference in a Diablo 2 video.🔥Love it haha

[@HitBoxMaster]

It's sad that Diablo 2 was the last Diablo game

[@Dunwichruler]

good don't play the newwer ones trust me

[@psf03077]

Was that a Streetlight Manifesto and a Mr Lama reference in one vid? Bless you Lemon.

[@moortu]

Hey Lemon, I"m absolutely in love with your challenge runs, I watched pretty much all of them in the last 2 weeks.

[@TitoSilvey]

A Streetlight reference? I see you are a man of culture, lemon

[@toryunaminosaki1022]

i love Diablo 2, spent so many hours in this game...Necromancer army ftw!

[@jacobellis2313]

A player that needs the map to be able to move around. Finally, I thought I was the only one!

[@MattRissler]

I know from also being old that the scaling of mob damage dealt vs mob HP meant that the thorns build didn't work in Hell difficulty.

[@GloomRng]

Absolutely love seeing you do non souls games , love random challenge runs it's so fun to watch

[@OGRadion]

20:00 Is that... A streetlight manifesto reference? Lemon, you glorious fruit

[@kotyrollins]

Nice Streetlight reference. I knew you were a man of class

[@AxCorneredxFox]

This was really cool finding your channel 6 months ago has been a real treasure! Thanks for the content man!

[@WhiteTurtlez]

The statement at 20:01 had me triple take that I had just heard a Streetlight Manifesto reference in a Lemon video.

[@Lys3rg1k]

I'm a simple man. I hear a Streetlight Manifesto reference, I upvote.

[@DirkDiglerTheNHunter]

Same same

[@hika567]

was caught off guard by the streetlight manifesto reference

[@GelatinCoffee]

this is literally the Only diablo gameplay i have ever seen, i vote for more challenges in this game because it reminds me of the gauntlet series (no i'm not that old, i played the games in that midway arcade treasures releases for the gamecube)

[@saxeladude]

I've never played this game but now I want to it seems like has the best organization system I've seen in a long time it also seemss pretty well designed

[@sucRipper]

It was great, we brought our PC to a friend and had a 5 day LAN Party together. But I dont know if it aged well if you play it for the first time today.

[@zanderguardado9185]

A street light manifesto reference God I love you lemon

[@EtherealBias]

Wow, I've been playing for 20 years and never realized a skull in a shield is so valuable early on.

[@DonYagamoth]

Oh hey, a similar challenge popped up a while ago in the diablo 2 speedrunning community, where we tried a pacifist run. I think most of us failed in the Chaos Sanctuary, but there was one guy who managed to get through, through clever manipulation, making De Seis not get the healing buff, and damage him through some other forms of retaliation-mechanics. I don't remember the details, but I'm so looking forward to watching this :)

[@donovancantu3921]

Didn't know you listened to Streetlight Manifesto. Dope

[@AMDGBananaBen]

I remember trying a similar run in the OG Diablo 2, Kudos for doing this!

[@Shabowdiadlo]

Diablo 2 was my childhood and i love the fact that you did a challenge run for diablo 2 As for my ideas for a custom challenge i got 2 Marathon mode (to town portals or waypoints, and must play in hardcore mode) And skeleton only (no skeletal mage or revives allowed, just the skele bois)

[@TheCreationofpeace]

You can also use sorceress for this type of run, her cold tree has two skills shiver armor which is “cold thorns” and chilling armor which launches works on ranged attacks

[@BullstrongDVM]

Holy s*** I nearly fell out of my seat when I heard that Streetlight Manifesto reference! Well played my dude.

[@harleybrushey7422]

It was dissapointing to see you beat duriel so easily but then it was very cathartic to see all the flayers just explode around you, so all in all, 10/10

[@bigguy115-fq1hk]

I love seeing you play nonsouls games!

[@TheBernardMarx]

Oh boy, an unexpected Streetlight Manifesto reference

[@Haru-spicy]

i did a soft version of this playthrough just the other day. Currently researching which class' abilities actually benefit firebombs (so far I've determined that barbarian's throwing abilities do NOT increase your firebomb damage. Currently testing if Sorceress' fire-boosting powers might work). Speaking of Sorceress, a Blaze-only run would be fun, just running around leaving a trail of fire everywhere EDIT: sorceress' enchant does not boost firebomb damage :( there's still a few classes that boost fire damage so i'll just keep trying them

[@BoroMonokli]

there is a literall fire bomb throwing skill in the arsenal of the assassin...

[@lucasm.3864]

I really liked that Streetlight Manifesto reference.

[@ctcrosby01]

Streetlight Manifesto rocks dude. 🖤

[@DikaSmausha]

I’m 30 seconds in. And I’m just glad to see you like Diablo 2 . This game actually made me a gamer . I was born shortly after its release so I’ve been playing this since I was 3 . Hope it was good to you ❤

[@lookbach]

I’m here from the algo. This was fun. You’ve earned a sub.

[@davefaust7317]

Nice Streetlight Manifesto reference in there!

[@ZyliahWar]

A Streetlight Manifesto reference. Yes. Excellent.

[@zackmash851]

ayo a streetlight manifesto reference? subbed!

[@Sporacle]

The fun thing with newer Thorns update is "attacker takes damage of" being added - that bonus applies to swings, even misses, from melee enemies

[@SirGeeeO]

Thank you for the Streetlight Manifesto reference

[@LotharinCW]

Oh Lemon... You're playing one of my favorite games with one of my favorite mechanics... I love you!

[@TheDuckOverlord]

I am so hyped for this. Growing up on Diablo II I love this. I want to build Thorns for D4 now. Thanks for my next build Lemon!

[@TheBacklogs]

Thorns was already bad in d4, but it was nerfed to hell just like everything else after the first update :/

[@guymontag5]

The Streetlight reference was chef's kiss

[@Tsunamiatunzen1]

Been lurking about a while and I was half-expecting you to also do a hardcore character since I've seen your XCOM playthroughs (I enjoy those ones the most). But I do enjoy a good number of your zany antics during the videos.

[@thomasmatthew6718]

I do not appreciate being called out for the loot goblin comment😂

[@probablynotdanny4384]

Do I care about Diablo? No. No I don't. But I see a Backlogs challenge video, I click it and I click like.

[@raging100]

Anyone below 30-35 saying they are old are just fragile little souls… Old is when you become around 50 and most of your joints are starting to have trouble.