💥Identifying a Psychopath: Diane Downs Body Language Analysis

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[@Poisedanubis85]

You guys are legends and know it’s not your editing but having Rosetta stoned by tool as a backing track just added to it for me

[@sueznann8927]

I’d like to know who’s whistling ‘This Old Man’ I love it; my Mum would get us kids singing it years ago🥰

[@Poisedanubis85]

@@sueznann8927 columbo the detective

[@sueznann8927]

@@Poisedanubis85 thanks Mike

[@thunderballz74]

Her smile after speaking on her children's death is absolutely terrifying. I am medium size guy and (I like to think pretty strong) but none of that matters when someone like her who knows no moral or lawful boundaries. She could easily be so very dangerous ,you could simply walk by and boom a claw hammer to back of your head...if you could still hear & see it would be..( blood I can't believe all the blood).

[@triciadevine1831]

That delayed smile is one of the most chilling things I’ve ever seen.

[@jerseyjuliesaxgal1299]

Me too. Without knowing anything about who she is.

[@allyy210]

Oh yes indeed.... freekin' evil

[@BetaBuxDelux]

@Candice Elizabeth I’ve seen it. I think sometimes when a narcissist hurts you they may smile. Not sure it happens every time but I’ve seen it.

[@talia_neah]

Twists my stomach

[@DeAnne1233]

@@BetaBuxDelux Schadenfreude. Pleasure from someone else’s misfortune, especially if you’re the cause.

[@anovemberstar]

The 2 survivors - 3 Yr old son paralysed for life, the older daughter unable to talk for months (mute from trauma), because she knew it was her mother who shot them. That kid ended up testifying against her mother - the courage that took. Just looking at the evil spewing from this woman's aura..is in itself terrifying .

[@SQTierHog]

Yes. Evil. She was under my supervision. The look in her eyes, the smirk on her face. These men nailed her personality. As in these short videos, you can see where she'll make a comment that's utterly disgusting and inhumane, then right after her comment, she presents a slight smile. I would rarely give her the time of day unless I absolutely had to, and during those times, every time, she would make a comment, usually a strange one, only to see the reaction on your face. And, as these men stated, she lives for attention, especially from men. Being a male staff member, I had to be extremely cautious, but unfortunately, there were male staff members who enjoyed the attention she would give them. I actually had to put one of those staff members 'in check'.

[@kimmyfreak200]

yeah i don';t remember which victim it was either the son or daughter but when they were recovering in critical condition Diane would walk into the room and their pulse would beep like crazy on the monitor only when she entered the room and they had bulging fear filled eyes when they'd see their mom. Also the "i'm bored and want to demonstrate power by getting knocked up as i am accused of killing my kids" baby, a girl, ended up finding out who her biological mother was, Diane motha freaking Downs and she tried to have a relationship with this devil woman and they wrote letters to each other and i think they mnet at the prison but don't quote me. The daughter said her eyes scared her, even in the photos (diane has some seriously freaky zombie eyes) and anyway she regretted trying to give her a chance and said she is a sick woman who is obviously guilty saying diane accused her of all this crazy crap and basically how diane is a total sociopath who manipulates and uses everyone and is very paranoid...

[@kimmyfreak200]

@@SQTierHog remember when she escaped from prison? she was shacking up at the home of an inmates former husband/lover... ugh this woman is terrifying and disgusting

[@melissasw64]

@@SQTierHog Did she seem mean or just creepy? Were you afraid she would do something violent?

[@SQTierHog]

@@melissasw64 hi. Not violent, and I know that seems unbelievable, eerily creepy, yes. Devious, yet flirtatious with and seeked attention from male staff. I wrote somewhere else in my comments, or they may have been replies to someone on this channel about her, about how I became 'acquainted' with her. It was due to an interaction she initiated with me. At that time, I didn't know who she was, her interaction was very inappropriate, and to put it mildly, I instantly had to put her in check. After the incident, staff and other inmates asked me if I knew who she was. My reply was I didn't care who she was, she was inappropriate, and that was not something I was going to tolerate. Needless to say, I was shocked when I found out who she was.

[@valeriesilva7143]

When Chase said he had to watch baby animal videos, I was right there with him. I flinched in my chair and gasped out loud when she said how easy it was to conceive another baby. May those children who survived feel love and true care the rest of their days.

[@janemetcalf6309]

If there is a God...pray this woman can never conceive again...or I am happy to sign her and Casey Anthony up for sterilization...human rights and free will be damned

[@MostlyLoveOfMusic]

I was fairly unmoved, but that probably comes from watching too many true crime videos tbh, nothing surprises me any more

[@rain3743]

Me too. She is such a monster. I am glad she's never getting out.

[@tameniai]

I, myself, read IKEA instructions with a great deal of emotion. Despair, fury, confusion...

[@judygreenwood4696]

Brilliant

[@marilubadillo8108]

😂🤣😂🤣

[@SuddenUpdraft]

I always drive down lonely, unfamiliar country roads at night with my children, stop, and get out of my car for some man waving me down. I’ll never pass up the opportunity.

[@shez5964]

Especially when the children have fallen asleep. Not like you'd just drive the quickest and safest route home and pop them in their beds

[@protitikhan3861]

😂🤣

[@mchevre]

Maybe she was just really getting the urge to "get pregnant again" - I mean after all, its so easy to do, and it brings joy to her, so...

[@maylinosborne3156]

Right it blows my mind that she thought anyone would believe this!

[@tomas5943]

I do not recommend doing this

[@lauriefarrell8531]

“This is not a normal human being and yet has the capability to make children…” one of the saddest, true comments of all times. RIP all children who suffer at the hands of incapable parents

[@MaryRoseLaughing]

Sometimes the kids do not die - like me - and maybe that is worse. Death ends pain and sorrow.

[@perpypinksa]

Omg I CANT BELIEVE YOURE DOING DIANE DOWNS!!!!! I legit feel like a little kid on Christmas morning!! This is going to be soooo good!!

[@ccee1985]

Yea this is the most intriguing one yet, by far!

[@mnmmnm8321]

@@ccee1985 Why, I just started watching?

[@mnmmnm8321]

Oh, just the nakedness of the lie..🤪

[@christinemiller1967]

@@mnmmnm8321 because she’s a psychoooooooo

[@loveinspired7]

YES!!!

[@IamDAFTCHILD]

"Children are so easily conceived" is one of the darkest things I've heard a mother of a recently murdered child say

[@gracejones2831]

I hope women that have trouble conceiving do not see this!

[@beancheese3148]

Especially while she’s pregnant with a fourth child to replace the one she killed. Craziness.

[@Linda-ln4ir]

"Children are so easy to conceive", what horror, gave me chills.

[@shannyncaldwell]

"The knife kept stabbing." Chase wins the teaching moment of the day.

[@harrietcraig7817]

For sure. There aren’t too many giggly moments in these types of episodes, but a ray of gallows humor was oddly nice.

[@fogweaver5633]

Sometimes I experience things this way, esp. when I'm dissociated. "The ball kep hitting the wall".Yeah, I know the neighbors toddler must be kicking the ball, but I can't see that, only hear the ball. So maybe DD was dissociated, either when she was stabbing her children or while speaking to the interviewer. Doens't change the truth, she was the one stabbing them with the knife, but might be an additional reason for the wording besides distancing.

[@ava198]

I had my daughter young. Out of loving my daughter more than myself I placed her for adoption. I purposefully never had children after that. I couldn't bare to face her later in life and say I had this child and kept them but not you. Children are not replaceable. My heart still has a hole where she belongs. This woman is not grieving does not understand the beauty and love of bringing a new person into this world unique and wonderful each one of them. She's vile.

[@winterain6857]

Ava, God Bless you! 🤗 I pray for peace in your heart, You are loving and compassionate!

[@WhiteRabbit1313]

Your incredible and selfless 💗 you are the definition of unconditional love.

[@christinemcginnis8827]

Ava, you may be able to request contact thru the adoption agency…

[@ava198]

Ty it was the right choice 4 her. I met a lot of wonderful couples through this process that for whatever reasons couldn't conceive and I know they provided her with the life she deserved coming into this world. This woman's interviews is horrifying. Im truly sad for those little lives that were taken

[@carolnichols2869]

I wish you peace and happiness.

[@LrgeMargeSentMe]

That creepy smile is what nightmares are made of

[@OliverMagoo]

There's something that I wish could've been included. That was when Diane and Ann Rule were interviewed by Oprah. Diane tried to minimize Danny's paralysis by saying that it's not as bad as you'd think. She even said, at first, that he wasn't paralyzed. An innocent person would focus on how bad it is that he doesn't have full use of his legs. A guilty person would try to minimize the damage they've caused by explaining that it's not really that bad.

[@eva5601]

I saw that interview, around a year ago, on you tube. The Devil argued with Ann, and also called Ann a liar.

[@OliverMagoo]

@@eva5601 She definitely didn't like Ann. Ann spoke truth! She (the devil) has an answer for everything. I loved it when Ann explained the multitude of places she got all the quotes from: court transcripts, Diane's diary, the many interrogations and the many bugged phonecalls. Diane can't keep her mouth shut. LOL!

[@kellie5476]

"People say you sure were lucky...I don't feel very lucky, I couldn't tie my shoes for about 2 months, I think my kids were lucky..." I'll never forget those sinister words.

[@theresavandriessche1714]

That’s the same quote I always think off when I hear anything about Diane Downs.

[@theresavandriessche1714]

Of not off

[@theresavandriessche1714]

@@rsmith8434 Yes and one can delete their comment too if they hadn’t thought it out properly. KZbin has some handy tools.

[@lunanoche4128]

They have such a wonderful rapport together. No ego, just a shared passion. Lovely to watch. Scott is kind, Mark has great insight, Chase is hyper intelligent and Greg is one I'd be most scared by, he is razor sharp.

[@smithamy1982]

I would've said Mark is the super kind and Scott is insightful. Chase is highly intelligent and beyond attractive and Greg is the one to be afraid of. But yeah, beyond that you're right

[@TheUglyDoctor]

Lol...accurate

[@stephaniequeen5022]

Greg is also the one that I'd be more scared by, with his straight face, I'd pee my pants. Followed by Chase, then Scott. I have a feeling that I could sort things out with Mark and everything would be alright. We'd be mates for life. Mark is me. He's the one I relate to the most, humor wise etc ... 😂 Love these guys even if tonight we're al little disappointed my husband and I for a repeat. Goddammit, we got the takeaway and the wine ready and tonight won't be as exciting but what the heck ? It will only be more special next time there is a premiere. I am sure there are very good reasons for it 😊

[@micheleerwin2848]

I am the mom of 4 kids, now adults. No mom in her right mind would stop on a lonely road for a stranger. If you encounter a stranger that seems to be in distress, you keep going and call police to inform them of the situation (this was 1983, before cell phones).

[@micheleerwin2848]

The only thing That haunts Diana Downs is the fact she will never get out of prison.

[@emma_motema]

“Children are so easily conceived” is absolutely chilling. I can just feel the sense of power she has around this - that she feels that she alone made those children and therefore she alone had the right to decide what to do with them. The fact that she could say this and have no idea how it would come across is an incredible insight into her mind.

[@jaxkaty]

And every infertile woman praying for children dies inside when she says that…..

[@laurahoward5426]

She purposely got pregnant for her trial....did a surrogacy for $10,000, her son that was shot was not the child of her husband.....she was sleeping with every man she saw

[@stephaniebach__12-24]

She sees her children as replaceable…….”Children are so easy to conceive”……… One of the evilest coldest things I’ve ever heard

[@maryannanderson2213]

The first time I saw this creepy smile it made the hair on the back of my neck stand up. If there is ever a time a mother should NOT be smiling, it is when she is discussing the death of her child. I had a younger brother who died when he was only three days old. My mother and I were discussing him on the day he would have turned 21 (in 1970) and she said that she was sort of thankful that he died as a baby because if he had lived he would have been the right age to have been drafted and he might have died in Vietnam but he had at least been spared the horror of going to war; however even as she was saying this she was crying and this was two decades after his death. Diane is scary and for the well-being of all of us, I hope she is NEVER paroled.

[@petedoxtader4177]

When she says "I can't replace my children... But it's so easy to conceive", my mouth just fell open. If any one statement screamed "I did it", that was it.

[@dragonflyhill5748]

“Children are easy to conceive”- it all made me shiver.

[@kimmyfreak200]

how she says it with an evil pennywise grin is what makes it worse

[@ehart2422]

There is something I’ve noticed with multiple cheaters, murderers, rapists, etc. that I’ve seen interviewed. When asked if they did the crime, if they’re innocent they’ll say “I didn’t do it.” If they’re guilty, they’ll say “I know I didn’t do it.” True every time.

[@adriel7229]

I watch for the way they say it, too. Innocent people speak it from the heart. Guilty people speak it from the web of lies they've tangled in their heads.

[@srividyas1]

When she talks about how the gun kept ‘firing and firing and firing’ and how it felt like slow motion.. I felt like she was talking truthfully about exactly what she experienced as she was firing , and the ‘vanishing perpetrator’ aspect confirms it for me. Not sure if anyone else thought so?

[@NUCATMID]

I’m watch right now and Scott’s remark about having the reaction to someone “that’s not right” is spot on. When I was in the Navy, my ship was in a shipyard. Most of the crew was berthed in a seaman’s hotel but since I was close to my home, I opted to take the long commute home every day. One day I was waiting for the bus, and thought I’d take the opportunity to use the hotel’s toilet. I walk thru the bar area, and went thru the swinging shutters the were outside the toilet area. In opening the doors, I hit a guy coming out with one of the doors. I immediately apologized but this guy looked like he would kill me… my reaction was “that’s not right.” Sure enough it wasn’t. The guy I’d bumped into was the mass murderer Richard Speck, who had just finished murdering eight student nurses.

[@donkeydan5996]

Oh wow ! Gave me chills reading this just now 😮😮

[@rebeccajordan4491]

My creepy smile theory is that it’s SO creepy because it’s absolutely genuine. It’s a smile of real pleasure, and I personally think that it’s in response to the interviewers shock and horror, as well as the memory of the violence and her own smug belief that she’s fooling everyone. Beyond Dupers Delight, true genuine pleasure at getting away with it. So creepy.

[@orangetulip1261]

@Rebecca, I concur. I've seen that creepy smile on my ex's face when he thought he could get me locked up (by making false claims of physical abuse). I've seen it... Never & never to be repeated...

[@sellbydate]

@@orangetulip1261 brrr Ive seen it too

[@triciadevine1831]

Yes...she enjoyed the interviewer's reaction.

[@Metonymy1979]

The youngest daughter said there came a day after talking to her Mom that she recognized her Mom was absolutely nuts. Diane should never be let out.

[@indianajanes9962]

How absolutely heartbreaking

[@wisdomoftheearlychristians2037]

I don't know why she smiled like that after describing blood coming out of her daughter's mouth, but it was the creepiest smile I've ever seen on a real person who wasn't acting in a movie or play. It made the hair stand up on my neck; she looks like the female Ted Bundy when she smiles like that,

[@Mamalisa540]

I have a problem with most individuals that describe Diane as pretty. I see evil not pretty!

[@Aleedis226]

I'm only 16 minutes in, but HAD to acknowledge Mark's delightfully accurate impression of a Speak 'N Spell! 😄😄

[@michellebusick3326]

Thank you for doing this one. My aunt was involved with the case as she was the senior ER nurse that carried the little girl that died in for care. She was an ER nurse for decades And was so traumatized that she NEVER spoke about it to anyone.

[@tamararutland-mills9530]

God bless her.

[@trawlins396]

Then how was she "involved' with the case?? That's very misleading. I thought you were saying she was on the jury or something.

[@keidwyn]

@@trawlins396 I would consider the word involved to have multiple layers ,from a detectives view point the person who is as close to the crime when it is committed is highly involved ,they have seen ,heard, experienced things we cannot possibly know ,they are very involved just not in the sense you expected I think

[@trawlins396]

@@keidwyn No. Saying she was "involved with the case" means she was involved with the CASE. Which means the legal proceedings. If all she did was interact for a brief moment in the ER with one of the victims, thats not involvement with the case. That's just happenstance.

[@melissazabower339]

That moment at 48:26 where she describes driving away and the blood coming from her daughter's mouth --- and then she smiles. Oh my gosh. That is the creepiest thing I've ever seen.

[@st.francisanddr.pepper1304]

My husband died suddenly in 2011. He was 35. I was 28. We had a 4 yr old and a 4 month old. I grieved so hard, it almost killed me. I lost 30 lbs, I was 89lbs when they brought me to tge hospital. I was 120 when he died. Tge loss was so great that I didn't laugh out loud for a year. I remembered the first time I laughed, and it startled me. It was so strange. And that's not even losing a child, that was pain from losing a spouse. This woman is a sociopath.

[@notoriousDPG]

I’m so sorry for your loss. I hope you’re doing better now and that you’ve learned to laugh again. I hope you have joy and love in your life, for your young children need both to thrive. Sending you love and positive energy ❤

[@bucklesmagee3806]

She seemed very jovial after the murders because she still felt like she'd get away with it. She still felt delight after her conviction when talking about her daughters bloody suffering. She truly took pleasure in the violence .

[@wrazzberrie1197]

I feel like something that is often overlooked is that even when psychopaths or narcissists are extremely intelligent, their lack of introspection still leads them to have really dumb beliefs. Not because they're stupid, but because they're so confident in themselves that the idea their reasoning was wrong never crosses their minds. It doesn't really matter how intelligent you are if you can't self reflect, you'll eventually make an error in reasoning. Never re-examining the held belief whilst building more from it.

[@darthlouis3418]

Wow that’s a very astute observation. I’ve never thought about that before.

[@gingerrush7536]

FYI, I checked out Columbo last night and they've added audio description for the blind! My husband was born blind and we watched some episodes last night. He finally got to see an episode of Columbo! I almost cried.

[@dqverify6797]

That's wonderful!! I hope he enjoyed it!

[@terranniet]

Chase accidentally put that beauty filter on and I'm here for it 🙌🏼

[@cyndifalk]

A lot of talk about the psychopathic stare here. I’m surprised no one mentioned that it’s also called a “predatory stare” - which is why we feel uncomfortable- we are literally being hunted. Gazelles absolutely know the difference between the eyes of a lounging lion and a hungry hunter- and so do we.

[@caroleminke6116]

Exactly

[@SaltyCwgrl]

I had a physical reaction to that smile that Chase & Scott said was her emotional response to the interviewers distress at the tragic details.. The hair on my neck literally stood on end. It freaked me out because it was like her mask slipped and the monster came out. Really scary. Can't imagine how those poor children felt seeing their "mother" become their executioner. She disgusts me. Geat job guys, I learned a lot from all of the feedback you gave.

[@christywatson2823]

There are so many things I appreciate about The Behavior Panel. Numbered first among the many is the mutual respect each of you has for the other. Each expert allows the other to fully express his opinion without interruption. A rare quality these days especially in intellectual circles. You men do a stellar job and complement each other so well. Kudos!

[@elizabethbourgeret3082]

This is my absolute favorite show. The only one I make time to watch.

[@shellygiza281]

Agreed! Their manors are impeccable. They genuinely want to hear each others opinions and love learning from each other. You don't find this quality in folks nowadays.

[@keidwyn]

"so easy to conceive" sounded like she was saying so easy to replace !!! very scary

[@notoriousDPG]

I thinks you hit the nail on head! That’s exactly what she meant.

[@darrenneil4533]

The way she describes one of her kids dying from gun shot wounds that she caused was her reliving the moment.

[@factorieargent612]

Mothering 101: You don't stop your car full of your kids and get out to argue with a bushy haired stranger on a dark and lonely road on a dark and lonely night. P.S. "Absolutely"-embedded confession? Guys, you hit the nail on the head re: that interview smile. In fact, if I recall, that reporter was so repulsed at that moment that she became physically ill and they had to suspend the interview for several minutes because of it. I had the opportunity to speak with Ann Rule once and we spent the entire conversation on Downs. I've studied aberrant psychology for 49 years now and she is my go-to for anyone wanting to know what psychopathy looks like, because she's so incredibly poor at mimicking human behavior-she is the perfect tutorial and jumping-off point. And Chase, you're right-she did write a LOT in journals! Oh, I could talk about her all day. What a horrible, fascinating case huh?! Great episode and great channel guys. Thanks much!

[@jomc7425]

An even better logic test than the key throwing is to ask this question: Would a woman driving at night with her 3 kids pull over for a man standing on the side of the road? No. In fact, a woman driving alone at night wouldn't stop.

[@lisalocklin7081]

If you watch her videos with the sound down, the expressions on her face look like she’s talking about what she had for breakfast last week, not the murder of her children. She is stone cold and terrifying. Her smile gives me chills. I’m with Chase - it’s going to take a lot of cute baby animal videos to clear this from my brain.

[@jillmendes3985]

Yes!!! Without sound, It’s like she’s describing a new dress she got or A day she sat at the park looking at squirrels running up and down a tree. That’s about as much emotion as I saw. Don’t you just love this channel?!!

[@looking4things669]

@@Gorpisnorb I wouldn't say she's boring at all. Your comment, "Except for all the murdering." Hilarious

[@StephenKirlew]

I’ve been watching your videos for a few weeks now and I can’t think of a better blend of world renowned experts who have no ego and ultra respect for one another! The balance is symbiotic.

[@Nanamo0n]

At the end she was vomiting words all over the place. I was able to truly understand how psychopath’s mind works. The lack of emotion is mind blowing. It’s amazing to actually watch one and listen to them speak with this huge detachment from reality. They’re just like a robot. They can walk and talk, but they cannot compute emotion because it’s not tangible.

[@Kepi_Kei]

Diane actually did exhibit a particular emotion: RAGE. How could she do that to her children? OMG I can't imagine

[@emusolino2012]

The way she rolled her eyes when she said she missed Cheryl - she could barely even squeeze those words out. She resented those kids so much

[@kimmyfreak200]

i noted that too on the original video... she rolls her eyes in disgust saying her own kids name... she was jealous of her own kids

[@thisisanaussiegal3590]

I didn't pick up "the gun kept firing" as too much of an issue until Chase said "the knife kept stabbing" where I almost spat my tea out... in that context, I realised how ridiculous the 'vanishing perpetrator' is to the trained ear.

[@litgal783]

When Chase said "Horrifying" about Diane's past and her inability to be saddened when she talks about the death of her kids. All the blood, all the pain. Her smiling as she says this just proves their points on an absolute level. This was great, gentlemen. I subscribed.

[@marie-michelleanderson2851]

I love the comment intra-species predator.

[@FriarScot]

A new challenge for you gentlemen … I would be fascinated by your analysis of interviews of Apollo 11 astronauts right after their return from the moon. For obvious reasons.

[@monicaholtzhauer6899]

What a cool idea!

[@oceanside88]

Oh yeah. Luv that idea.

[@hughjass846]

They did look like they had a really fun time on the moon.

[@khallissigirl3547]

That would be awesome!

[@Buddhabellie]

Ooooh. I love it!

[@thewalkyries7538]

yep! i believe her, as a woman , mother of two, everytime i see anyone hitchhiking, let alone a man, my first reaction is : ' oh boy, let me give him a ride and see all kind of adventures i can get myself into today. :/

[@jjr1728]

I hope they catch that man. All this time he's been out there.

[@kirsten2769]

@@jjr1728 he doesn't exist. She's in prison for killing her kids. They ended up matching the bullets to a gun she owned.

[@grannywoo2437]

I was once interviewed by police about a mother who had just killed her two small children to punish her partner. She went to a police station and told them that her children were in the boot of her car. I had been a funeral director some years before when her fist baby died, a cot death they believed. Her behaviour had been very aggressive and strange, but not having your expertise I just explained to the police that everyone acts differently so I couldn't make any definite statement. There were anomalies, but I didn't have any knowledge. I still worry.

[@tuber9781]

Chase is bang on about Downs compartmentalising on paper. She was an avid journal writer and used her journals to repeatedly rewrite her own reality

[@gracejones2831]

do you think she believes her own lies?

[@MsKK909]

What Mark said about “checking for exits” really resonated with me. I was a kid working in a restaurant/bar and was called in the middle of another’s shift because she had gotten sick. The way it was set up, each shift’s tasks were divided and specifically assigned. The person who had gotten sick had the assignment of resupplying bar items and assisting the person who had to count the night’s take and sign off on it for the deposit bag. (I’ll call her “Judy). Judy was a bit older and the Head Hen. She had everyone under her control. So we were off the main floor in a small supply room with one door with all that shift’s money. I was doing my assigned resupplying/inventory tasks and Judy said, “Here… you do the deposit”. It involved a LOT of cash. I said, “I’m not going to sign off on a deposit when I wasn’t here for 3/4 of the shift and have not had any control over the money!” Now Judy was between me and the only exit. She gave me a look I’ll never forget…the hairs on my neck and arms raised and it immediately triggered the “fight or flight” response in me! In a flash, I knew I was in danger, she was between me and the only exit and my adrenaline soaked brain developed a very reasonable and logical “plan B”. My backup was to grab a liquor bottle, break it and use it as a weapon…just like the old cowboy movies! That’s how threatened I felt! I’m still, to this day, amazed how I analyzed the situation and developed plan B so fast. As it turned out, she just flounced out with the deposit (that she had to sign) and it was over as quickly as it started. After that, she knew I knew and I knew she knew I knew….she gave me a wide berth from then on. I could make this a lot longer by enumerating her psychopathic behavior in the ensuing years, but I think all the panelists can imagine her future. Always trust your gut!

[@MayimHastings]

Are you kidding, I’m the nosiest human alive, I’d love to know more about Judy “Head Hen” Bundy! 🤓 If you’re comfortable with sharing, of course! Have a happy Friday ❤️

[@MsKK909]

@@MayimHastings …….. well…. OK. The community is small enough and everyone pretty much knew each other so that I’ve been able to watch her life unfold over the years without direct contact. >Got pregnant by a very rich man on purpose, he wouldn’t marry her…. they kid now hates her and went “No Contact” and moved in with his father the instant her was old enough…she pulled a gun on her own kid when she realized he would escape her control. >Would “run through” friends….always has a “bestie”, but after about 2 years, that person goes totally NC and she moves on to the next one. I never let an adult, who is old enough to have a history, near my life if he/she doesn’t have long term friends. > Totally estranged from family over a will. I don’t know the details, but if money was involved, it wouldn’t be hard to fill in the blanks. > Attends the funerals and try’s to vamp the widowers AT THE FUNERAL! > Now that she’s getting somewhat long in the tooth and getting men is not as easy, she’ll try to insinuate herself into others’ lives by doing “good deeds”. At this point, many are onto her and decline her offers. >She was very pretty and could really turn on the charm. I’ve see her body posture and even her voice change, Jekyll and Hyde style, when she had prey in her sights. It was creepy. I was always bewildered why those ..both women and men…..who knew the exact same information I did … but would somehow involuntarily fall under her spell. Everyone knew she was a predator, yet when in a group, she was always the belle of the ball. Everyone would be turned, facing her exactly like bees face the hive’s queen….almost like they were paying homage! And if she deigned to bestow extra attention on one of her bedazzled courtiers, he or she would be thrilled and so proud! It was very interesting and VERY weird because everyone knew her history. I was grateful that I somehow was immune to her powers. Psychopaths really do have some kind of social/psychic/mental power that draws in the prey like some kind of evil pheromone ….even if people know the danger, that knowledge does not negate the psychopath’s power. I was around her only at work or events with other people and I did this one thing that drove her crazy. I’d refuse to pay homage to her queen bee status and would always turn my back to her. I’d be the only one not lined up like a compass needle to true north. But I always had an excuse because we’d be at work or some event with a lot of activity, so when I turned my back, it always had a very logical excuse….busy working, talking to someone else, taking an order, brewing more coffee, gotta go to the ladies room, etc, etc… just busy at work, nothing socially rude… It was just that my focus was always on something or someone else. It was so funny. I never initiated an exchange with her that was not work specific and never at all socially….She’d approach me and try to engage in conversation, I’d smile and say a couple of bare minimum, polite sentences, then have to break it off because ..busy, busy…I was needed to be somewhere or to do something. Never rude, just busy, busy, busy with no time for social conversation. It really is an acid test. If you suspect someone is a Narc or psychopath, just never face them….nothing rude….just don’t pay homage or make them your focus…. the mask will slip and fall to the floor with a resounding thud! This technique can protect you from many bad apples. The predator will react one of two ways…. either with frustration and overt ire, or with fake praises and admiration. If someone is intensely charming, it’s almost always a red flag….. stand back, don’t follow the pack, and have your defenses up!

[@MayimHastings]

@@MsKK909 Wow, thank you for taking the time and for telling her story! Sounds like you knew exactly how to handle her! So glad you came out of it unscathed, but it must have been terrifying having to work for her. ❤️

[@MsKK909]

@@MayimHastings The only terrifying moment was that adrenaline dump I experienced in the storeroom….. and she could never really have done anything unless she wanted everyone to know. If we had been somewhere really isolated, things could have gone sideways quickly….no telling what would have happened. I committed the mortal sin of telling a Narc/psychopath. “No”. That will smoke them out almost every time.

[@Ellerbees]

Several years ago I read Ann Rule's book about Diane Downs, titled Small Sacrifices. An interesting detail I remember is that she had an obsession with the Duran Duran song "Hungry Like the Wolf" around the time she shot her kids. Apparently it made her think of her married ex-lover, the one who she thought would want her, sans-children. She listened to it repeatedly, including DURING the shooting. If I remember correctly, one of her surviving children showed noticeable terror in hearing the song again, and I believe it was helpful in convicting her. Another thing-- For such a completely self-absorbed woman, that's an awfully noticeable MUSTACHE! 😱

[@litgal783]

and when played in court, she was caught dancing and singing in her sleep. She is pure evil.

[@darling11111]

As a mother. My instinct was, if the kids are asleep, no need to go down back roads. Take the shortest cut home if they are asleep. Secondly never stop for anyone if you have your kids in the car. Most importantly. Wouldn’t you “snap” before you were hurt and I’d snap as soon as my children were in danger or hurt.

[@chubbyJess]

I loved the comment from Scott Rouse about the importance of trusting your gut when you interact with people. I had an employee whom I felt when we met and chatted he was laughing at me. He was always very respectful, but I had this weird feeling he was laughing at me (even tho he did not appear to be laughing.) Well he backstabbed me and threw me under the bus and almost got me fired. Your gut feelings are very important. Your subconscious has been able to process and make sense of situations you have not yet completely understood. Trust your gut. Thank you for the great content. New fan to the channel.

[@heatherepperson1392]

Something stuck out so hard to me and I couldn't figure out why, so I went back and watched the videos again. I'm just a panelist, not an expert, so I wanted to see what you guys think about something. When she said "snapped back" I immediately, for some unknown reason, thought of the recoil of a gun. When I went back and re-watched the videos, she says, "... shot my daughter, my first reaction was to snap back..." At that point her head recoils and leans back and her eyes roll back. When it's been a long time since I've fired a gun, or when I fire a gun I've never shot before, that recoil will get me. It always freaks me out for a few seconds at first. The second time she says it, "... the gun hit the tips of my fingers and that snapped me (literal finger snap) and I went, 'wait a minute'..." Is it possible there is a fragment of truth in there and that this phrase is her real reaction to firing the gun? I'd love to know what you guys think about that. Also, at the end... Wow. That seemed like a confession straight out of the gate. "Absolutely." Then more about how smart she is. This woman is so detached. Great one, guys! Thank you!

[@clarenicola1]

Wow ...after viewing again you're absolutely right .

[@christinerobbins9376]

Agreed. I think the guys from the behavior panel mentioned that "there is a definite trigger for her (Diane) in that moment". She is attempting to use honest emotion to do dishonest work, but she is SO far from human that she doesn't realize that we (society) can see right throught her.

[@yesterdayitrained]

100%. Incredible insight on your part. Even though this woman is ‘off’, that phrase “snapped back” (and what follows) has always troubled me more than anything else she said. Thanks for your comment!

[@cheriehalkett4458]

Epigenetic trauma maybe ? def a nuerodiverse brain type. who knows what happened, 3 generations previous in vitro trauma could be responsible (research- Norman Doige Canada- 30 yr generational study on prenatal and postnatal care) ……. Yours is a brilliant observation, more interesting than the 4 dudes, it is the subtle nuances that are scary and hard to read. I’ll never forget Lindy Chamberlin case. I knew as a kid she was being misread. I am v careful to Judge as a late diagnosis Aspie……. I speak both languages, I don’t miss much, I didn’t know that about the guns……. Makes so much sense as you described even anecdotally…… go you…..😉🧐❤️

[@blackopal3138]

I don't reallly get your ? We know she is guilty, so, you're asking, if this is an indicator for Truthtelling, physical movements that are literal demonstrations of the words being used??? Idk, I'd guess not an indicator of Truthfullness, but just yesterday, I came across about 4 unintentional puns. One was so obscure, I immediately thought, there is something else at play. A phrase you never use, would never have thought to use this time, and it just comes out of your mouth, and fits like the speaker has the wit of Shakespeare and George Carlin combined. Wish I could remember it:p ...But, my point is, yes there is a very meaningful association going on there, but I don't think it's Truth telegraphing, cz she is saying she shot them, so that's already out there. But I find the fact she used 'snapped back' to describe the moment after the shooting absolutely fascinating. Surely unintentional. And, I'd not caught it, so tx. I satrted thinking, well, you could use it in interrogation when you don't know if the person has shot someone, but, again, they would have to be telling you about a shot they took for it to apply. Peace

[@winnyzinny6969]

That smile just literally gave me chills

[@Fahhad007]

Its haunting me to this day

[@mimmu8701]

"Children are so easily conceived" It is unbelievably unfair that some people, who would make amazing parents, struggle to have children, and then we have this woman...

[@Langolin1998]

She has some of the most dark, empty eyes I’ve ever seen in any individual! The lights are on, but nobody home! I get chills, just looking at her eyes.

[@markmike7933]

WOW!!!!!! I usually can't tell if someone is a psychopath unless it's blatantly obvious. IT'S BLATANTLY OBVIOUS!!!!

[@gilenasimons7081]

22:14 I really love how you encourage people to trust their instincts, including those delayed, and provide for them a language to describe their feelings. I imagine very few people could not relate to what you said about something not feeling quite right later. And I imagine so many people listening in just had a real aha moment. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👍🏼

[@sallyfeschuk5771]

Funny how Scott brought that forward only hours after I listened to trust your gut Reddit compilations.

[@moontwidark8932]

I am a woman and I agree with you, Mr. Chase I would never have stopped the car

[@WinterBelle14]

23:48 almost sounds like a faint chuckle when she says the word "gushing."

[@cab5917]

I lived in the Eugene-Springfield, Oregon area during this investigation and traumatic coverage of what Diane Downs did to her children. What a horrific and hard to understand event that a mother could do this to her children. The lawyer who adopted the children was the only redeeming outcome to this crime. Diane was and is a scary deadened personality. Thank you for discussing this sorrowful event that happened to these children. The community was horrified!

[@British719]

When Chase said, "the _knife_ kept stabbing...? Equally stupid." I nearly choked on my coffee. 😄 Thank you for this content. I always learn so much!

[@British719]

Starts at 40:11

[@mutinyonthekitkat]

That unexpected smile is genuinely scary.

[@susiefoxy8130]

Absolutely!!!! She was asked if she did it and responded ‘absolutely’ then started her monologue of how she didn’t , so yes she admitted it without realising!

[@nd6602]

That creepy smile right after saying “that haunts me the most”…

[@sum1has2]

I had young kids when this happened. I saw these interviews. The hair stood up on my neck the first time I saw her speak, and it got me into body language. A true female monster on EVERY level.

[@lolabloo]

This video had a great balance to it. I really loved how Mark would use the dsm diagnoses for psychopaths and reassure that it's a spectrum and the case of downs is rare. I had to remind myself that no, my neighbor is not a psychopath BTW Mark's reaction after Diane talks about her 10 lovers was priceless 😂

[@micheleerwin2848]

I recommend watching the Ann Rule movie "small sacrifices". Ann Rule was a Seattle's police woman who also wrote several books on true crime. Farrah Fawcett played Diane in the movie. I bet that really stoked Diane's inflated ego. Ann Rule also worked beside Ted Bundy at a suicide prevention center. She knew him when he was first arrested for the murders in Washington state and wrote a book called "the stranger beside me".

[@dearbh1736]

I agree with the panel. The clip where she talks about getting pregnant and her reasons for having children was one of the most shocking and horrendous statements I have ever heard. As Greg said,, at least by keeping her in prison, she can't make children. I found this whole thing particularly disturbing and can see why Chase needed a break after watching the videos. Thanks guys.

[@melissasw64]

I'm a teacher and I have had kids in my classes that I suspect are psychopaths. They don't seem alarmed or ashamed when they get in trouble, sometimes the other kids in class with laugh at something and these kids sort of look around and then suddenly start laughing along with them. I see them constantly watching the faces of other kids and getting too close to them sometimes. It's creepy.

[@markmike7933]

Make sure they don't live alone at a semi abandoned hotel with their mother.

[@AnnaMarianne]

Remember that it could be something else. Perhaps they're on the autistic spectrum. Anyway, they deserve to be treated with the same respect and care as all the other children

[@robertahubert9155]

This creeped me out when she smiled after talking about her daughter bleeding out and dying. That was to much to take. I am a mother of 4 sons and I have showed more emotion when their pets died. I can’t even imagine having a smile on my face describing ANY injuries they have experienced. Who has flash backs about THEIR lives when their children are being murdered ?

[@CatDog612]

Very sweet to hear the prosecutor adopted one of the children.

[@toniwendt6604]

What woman with kids in the dead of night would stop let alone get out, don’t need to hear anymore. How does she live with herself?

[@ElizabethWarrenYeahYeah]

How wonderful the prosecutor adopted the children.

[@sambambina8063]

When Mark says she doesn't know what it feels like to the rest of society, the horror of this loss off her children in such a violent manner a light bulb moment for me. It's not only that they don't have conscious, they (psychopaths) don't actually feel what they've studied in movies or shows so they cannot connect to it and portray it convincingly. This is why when she speaks to the reporter telling her practiced tail she sees the emotion come over the reporter and is chuffed that she has fooled her and acted it out successfully...and the chilling smile presents itself.

[@tinamac2380]

I agree with you. When she describes the condition of her daughter, then the pause, then the smile. I think that she’s feeling really pleased with herself for telling a story that can elicit the response from the interviewer. At that moment, she has completely forgotten about her daughter, and is solely focused on herself. She’s probably thinking to herself, “Wow, I tell a really good story”. The most worrying thing is that she is able to describe her daughter in the last moments of her life, then completely forget about her a split second later.

[@happycamper272]

Thank you for the challenge! Side note: I have been watching TBP a lot because my mom is a narcissist and so, as a child, I learned to be expressionless to avoid getting in trouble and I never understood my mom's expressions (except the angry one). As an adult, I ignored it when people's behavior didn't match their statements because that was normal to me. I've learned so much from you. Thank you for taking the time to explain what you know. It has already made a difference in my life. This is what I see in this clip: No sadness, guilt, or regret that her child is dead and her other children are gone. No hand gestures. (She's thinking a lot.) Maintains “innocence,” instead of saying “I didn’t kill my children.” Who laughs when a stranger says, “I want your car?” That's when all women get afraid. Smiles when says that she replied to the stranger, “You gotta be kidding!” as if she got one up on him. She says she didn't make it up because these things don't happen. They happen all the time, which is why she chose this story. He jumped into the car and leaned into the car. She is inconsistent because it didn’t happen; it would be crystal clear in her mind if it did happen. “It was over” is what she says after her description of the shooting but, logically, it wouldn’t have been “over.” A mom’s nightmare had just begun. But a shooter might think it was over, especially a psychotic killer. The stranger shot in the car and she did nothing to stop him. This makes no sense at all. “Ugh! It was over!...” She’s frustrated that she has to keep telling this story. Why would the stranger “say” something about the car again? (He’s going to steal it after he shot the kids and not the driver?) No one would use that type of coercion to get a car; it’s illogical and not the easiest way to steal a car. What does she mean “struggled with him?” (She didn’t grab, attack, or bite him. She did nothing.) “He fell back. I jumped in the car” is scripted and makes no sense. Besides, when did she exit the car? “Christie and Danny were still crying” (at the hospital). No one would say that about their terrified children plus she says it without emotion. “The nurses reported that they were still crying.” Nurses wouldn’t even think to share this. Naturally, the children are crying. Why doesn’t she ask the nurses if they are okay? (I think she was still annoyed at them crying in the car.) Shakes her head in disagreement “the state says…” This is the only time there’s any truth from her. (She disagrees with the police.) Interesting that she describes the police making up stories when she is the one doing that. She defends herself: “if so, I wouldn’t take them to the hospital,” and yet includes “still crying.” (I think she was shocked by the blood and didn’t know what to do next so she went to the hospital to get the kids off her hands... and to get them to stop crying.) She defends herself poorly: “There are other ways to accomplish such a horrific deed.” Basically, she says she would have done it better. No mother in a situation like this would ever even think that, unless they are psychotic. “I’m not dumb” is her concern. She’s worried about what others think about her. This is more important to her than getting her story the same every time.

[@PrincessofErised]

We have to remember that during these interviews (and there were many), her children were still in the hospital with a stroke and paralyzed and one was freshly buried. I can tell you as a mom, and hell, just a human being, I would be a mess. An incoherent mess of sobs, anger, grief, and tears, not whatever the hell she was. It is horrifying to watch her smile when she retells the blood coming from Christie's mouth. She does it in several interviews and always at that point. And when she smiles, her eyes roll with the squint that look just like a shark when they are about to bite into prey. She is a broken human being. Anne Jaeger (the interviewer) said that the hair on the back of her neck stood up when she realized that she was in the room with a woman that shot her three children. And Greg NAILED IT, she was flirting with that guy. BONUS CLIP: In every interview with retelling, she says this, "the door closed by itself". Every single one. It is literally her most consistent statement about the night her children were shot. She jumped into the car, took off and "the door closed by itself." What do I think about it? It is the proof positive in her mind that she had nothing to do with any of it in her sick and twisted way.

[@crankyoldbroad4635]

I contributed to Robert Hare's Psychopathy Checklist, due to my prior work with some infamous criminal cases, so was pleased to see Dr Hare and his book mentioned here. Though I rarely make internet comments, I'm making an exception because this is my favorite KZbin channel. I've also read books by all four of you gentlemen, which I highly recommend to your KZbin fans. "The Ellipsis Manual" in particular was interesting to me, due to my own background in Intelligence Operations. This channel is an extension of your books, which only adds to its usefulness when used in combination. I'd be interested in the panel reviewing Casey Anthony and OJ Simpson's behavior, if you find the time and/or inclination, because I'm very curious if I'm reading their behavior as you would. Since you covered Belle Gibson previously, I would also be interested in the panel covering Munchausen by Proxy cases such as Gypsy Rose Blanchard, Susan Schofield, and Garnett The Great's mother (sorry, her name escapes me at the moment). As for Ms. Downs, her behavior is particularly concerning for future offenses. She should never be released, in my humble opinion, because she will never not be a danger to society. As you correctly note, psychopaths are predators, and we are merely their prey. There is no effective treatment, as the condition appears to be biological rather than psychological. It is for that reason that we must learn to recognize them, just as we must recognize any other dangerous animal. Perhaps that sounds cold, but in my line of work, you have no choice but to accept that monsters are indeed real, but they're in human form. Thanks for presenting such an interesting, engaging, and educational channel. I wish you all the very best in your endeavors.

[@Cherokee51774]

Have you ever heard of James Fallon? I wonder if prison (preferably a mental institution) focused on trying to teach them skills to manage their impulses if they wouldn't be so dangerous if released. Fallon was never violently dangerous. He did recognize his anti-social behaviors. He makes a conscious effort to be "pro-social". Could it be an effective method for psychopathic criminals? Have PET scans been done on kids suspected of being psychopathic or anti-social? If there is a way to reverse it a child would be the best chance. They have a lot of plasticity. Could it be possible to get the emotional, inhibition, conscious parts of the brain to light up later in life?

[@crankyoldbroad4635]

@@Cherokee51774 I'm afraid it would be an exercise in futility, since the current school of thought is that psychopathy is caused by a malformation of the amygdala. That said, I'm all for any type of research which could potentially result in treatment for the condition. I'm no expert on psychopathy like these gentlemen or Dr Hare, however. I'm just someone who spent decades in high level criminal defense in a very large city, so I came to know violent psychopaths along the way; as a result, I developed an interest in the subject. From that perspective, I'm just like everyone else who enjoys The Behavior Panel's channel. The only difference between you and I is that I've likely had more in-depth encounters with violent psychopaths, so I'm able to recognize it easier in real life. However, that also means that your opinion on a non-violent psychopath is just as valid as mine.

[@dwellinj1513]

Back in the day, I watched that interview and where she smiled at 48:16 I thought it was the most chilling thing I had ever seen on the face of a mother after claiming someone shot her children. My response to that was, “Oh you did it. You know you did it, I know you did it, all of America knows you did it!”

[@skylarsf4574]

Yeah that smile is absolutely horrifying

[@pillettadoinswartsh4974]

"I can sit here with a clear conscience....." You'd have to have one before it could be a clear one. These guys are right, she's clearly not a bright person.

[@candiceparr4174]

For any bushy haired strangers, you see this lady, just keep on walking.

[@mawmawvee]

I was in the kitchen finishing cooking supper when I heard Susan Smith supposedly pleading with whoever took her kids and I couldn't see her, but I heard her voice, which sounded like she was trying to get people to believe she was bereft about the kidnapping of her little boys. Our one kitchen wall doesn't go all the way up to the ceiling and I called over the wall to my husband and said, "She did it. She's killed her little boys!" I could hear the lies in her voice. She sounded like she was smiling, that there was no true grief in her voice. I knew she knew what had happened to her kids and where they were. I felt sickened.

[@audreydaleski1067]

That smile. She's proud of herself for what she considers to be a five-star performance.

[@ratterrierdogma]

I am comforted that parole has been denied each time she goes before the parole board.

[@nancynavey9867]

Body language aside, No normal mother would ever stop for a stranger flagging her down with her young children in the vehicle.

[@allyy210]

Spot on.....

[@AA-ws5xk]

Exactly.

[@lornarettig3215]

Remarkable how the stranger also somehow knew that her 3 children (who, according to her, were all asleep) were even in the car, isn’t it? They weren’t visible in the dark and weren’t making any noise, yet this stranger knew exactly where to shoot.

[@heididietrich9800]

Got that right. If I had kids and someone shot them, that person would be six feet under.

[@sarahmayer7026]

So many years later, the most "emotional" she gets is still about being perceived as "dumb" by others. Could this be the one regret she has got? Her being "dumb" enough to take her injured children to the hospital? Not getting "the job done properly"?

[@BadAssElf810]

Chase is correct. As Brienne in GOT said "There is nothing more hateful than failing to protect the ones you love."

[@ehart2422]

“It (the gun) just kept firing.” Seems like another way of disassociating herself from the act. It was the gun, not me.

[@DuckyB]

Having Farrah Faucett play her in the movie was probably a big ego boost for her. I can't hear Hungry Like a Wolf without thinking of this case. Those poor children!

[@LMack-ll8wg]

Same, I can't listen to that song anymore either.

[@franceshaypenny8481]

I think Farrah played her too sympathetically. But I still liked the movie. The best actress was the little girl who played Christie.

[@StarvingArtist482]

Mark: "i had a Lady Diana haircut back then" rofl mark is so funny

[@sylviebourguignon1]

i FIND IT AMAZING THAT SUCH A BEING WAS ABLE TO FIND SOMEONE TO PROCREATE WITH NOT ONCE BUT THREE TIMES

[@morticiaheisenberg9679]

@@Littlemissdirtbag 😂😂😂😂

[@lorafrost9628]

What thief would shoot the helpless kids in a back seat before trying to kill the adult who has the potential to stop you and who is right next to you? Another crack in the logic.

[@stacey7529]

I don't know anything about this women. That delayed smile sent chills down my spine 😮

[@DonnaBrooks]

That was so creepy. She said & did so many things that were horrifying.

[@Michele1ELL]

I would absolutely love to hear the panel’s take on Ted Bundy’s last interview, with Dr James Dobson. It’s nothing but more manipulative behavior and lies being spun by Bundy in my opinion but I would be fascinated to hear your opinions on him!!

[@gigistrailsandtales7203]

I’m Ted Bundy’d out.

[@kimmyfreak200]

@@gigistrailsandtales7203 me too... ugh observe did it he is thorough

[@normaforsyth7950]

I cant imagine how permanently heartbroken I would be growing up and living life paralyzed because of my own mother. So unjust. So wrong.