Forza Motorsport 7 FFB setup guide

[@schutzadful]

You saved my life. I thought I was having issues with my G923 ghub settings and config. This opened up an entirely new world with my racing games. I don't know how I was driving so well without this lol.

[@UncleManuel]

Describes every detail in 30 minutes and writes in the description "oh, I forgot some things"...😄 Seriously: This has to be one of the most detailed videos out there on FFB settings for Forza 7. The explanations combined with the FFB overlay were just incredible informational and finally I understood what does what. Now I can finally tune my Thrustmaster TS-XW to my likings. Good job!😎👍

[@zelezarof]

I almost never make comments to videos, but your video is really great, I can't believe how much I learned from it and the best part of it all is that my g920 now feels more responsive and accurate. Thank you so much for you tutorial. Keep up the good work, cheers.

[@oki8445]

wow, all this time i thought i was just really shit at forza, thank you so much. self steer and feeling that sweet spot is everything

[@dinoscharalampidis]

the best and most detailed guide I could find anywhere ! Well done m8, keep up the good work !

[@lovermon69]

Spent hours trying to figure out why my wheel didnt feel right. After listening to your tuning. Finally came the realization that the wheel was pulling me to the side I was trying to turn. And it didnt feel natural. Finally I had the idea to invert the FFB. And now the wheel resists the direction im trying to turn like a real car. So now it doesnt feel so fake. If anyone is having the issue i was having that the wheel wants to pull you away from center. Its probably because your FFB needs to be inverted. Im using a g923.

[@las10plagas]

whoa thank you for mentioning this! I wasn't able to keep the car in a straight line, now it feels proper : )

[@Gravyrobber87]

Really nice guide. I am completely new to wheels and the settings were difficult to understand before I watched your guide. As a circuit racer it was easy for me to adapt my settings to suite my needs. Thank you

[@NobrocGames]

Thank you dude! I been working on my wheel settings for days, lookiong up the meanings of the different terminologies and you have explained it better than anyone! The info on how the Caster plays into the tuning of the wheel with each car is GOLD. Thanks again!

[@saiyanjaydee7941]

My god bro this video helped me so much getting the right settings, soon as I was done with the video I started doing Manjis so clean thanks man!

[@sirstudalot20]

I liked the explanations and the settings. Using a g920. I haven’t tested it with tuned cars but a stock Porsche felt really nice. Thank you

[@DJUPLIFT]

Absolutely the best explanation I've come across for this thank you very much... could you elaborate what the spring and damper graphs reference? I can see the damper is the smoothing but what does the spring reference? Many thanks again

[@TheBlue028]

Tha ks for the kind words, as far as I can tell on my setup center spring is only effective in menus/pause screen and does nothing when you are driving on track

[@RetroGamerr1991]

Thanks man. This was an immense help. I'm running a Thrustmaster T300RS so my FFB threshold before it starts clipping is a bit lower than yours so of course my settings are different but this helped me understand what each setting was doing.

[@luckydrifts4871]

Great stuff man I found you threw a face book group and one of you teammates recommended it. Top work man!

[@drivingafterstrongcoffee409]

Thank you very much for your help, now I feel FM7 is a really great racing sim!

[@BipolarBLKSheep]

I'm in Orlando too! Thanks for the settings!!

[@rparker1562]

your by far the best at explaining this stuff. thanks for taking the time to do this. does these settings also work for normal racing?

[@TheBlue028]

Yeah, but like I said in the video you'll probably want to run more pnuematic torque in the mix or add some vibration so you can feel the edge of grip better

[@DJUPLIFT]

I found his settings to instantly increase the realism of using my g29... im going to try and apply the same ideas to PC2 and see if the results are similar

[@roist_1]

My experiments have shown that for me to run FM7 on simulation steering with wheel/pedals and all assists off, start by lowering dynamic damper behavior from 100 to like 5 to prevent snap oversteer and a loose back end.

[@jamesmoore7858]

Interesting... I'm going to try this.

[@budthecyborg4575]

I guess this tutorial will have good longevity now that we know we're stuck with FM7 for the next two years at least. Hopefully you never even need to make a tutorial for the Forza Motorsport 202# (I'm guessing 2022).

[@TheBlue028]

I recon late next year, 2021 but yeah here's hoping

[@damianjohnson9984]

You are the best I use your setup and man ..good 👍 job And thank alot.

[@TURBOMOOSE]

good morning from Orlando brotha. its TURBOxMOOSE :-)

[@ricards.sstenders4409]

Best video ever ❤ helped a lot

[@HANNON1066]

Hey great video.. could you make a video for track racing settings S class cars, have a CSL DD coming soon.. 👍👍

[@luckydrifts4871]

Hey man great video but I have a few questions. 1. Are you using this wheel tune with cars that are highly tuned. It seems the more I tune the cars the more force it takes to turn the wheel. 2. Do you use this wheel tune for all your cars you drift? 3. My wheel seems to not be super smooth transitioning almost jumpy. It also shakes pretty good if I let go going straight. 4. Is there any way to make it not so hard to physically turn and still counter steer wheel? My actual 240 doesn’t take near this force to sling around. Sincerely, a dude struggling after a life of controller drifting lol.

[@TheBlue028]

1. Yes, but as I said the higher the level of grip the car has the higher the steering toque it can produce, so you will need to check the telemetry and adjust the align torque scale to suit. 2. Pretty much 3. One thing I forgot to mension in the video is that the higher level of tyre compound the smaller the peak slip angle is which means the ffb will spike much faster making the wheel more unstable. If you want stable ffb I recomend using stock tyre compound. 4. Unfortunately not, with FFB wheels speed is proportional to torque, if you want it to be fast it will also be strong. Only way to change that is to modify the hardware itself by either changing the gear ratio or using motors that spin at a higher RPM

[@SCOTTZARD]

I’m new to using a wheel and really struggling with all the terminologies.every time I drop off the gas pedal or hit the brake pedal the rear of the cars just looses grip and slides out.makes me not want to play the god damn thing really frustrating.

[@JusttJetzz]

How do I make my wheel stop going in only 90 degree turns?

[@RealStuntPanda]

Pro Tip for Fanatec wheels, plug the pedals into the base instead of trying to use the USB off the pedals; Forza 7 doesn't recognize the pedals as an individual device.

[@TheBlue028]

This is untrue, I am using mine plugged into usb in order to use the 4th axis for handbrake (csr elite does not support 4 axis from the pedals when in pc mode)

[@RealStuntPanda]

@@TheBlue028 I have a CS Base V1 and CS Pedals V2 and that's the only way I could get the game to recognize my pedals. Windows recognizes the pedals on USB but Forza 7 does not. Switched to the phone cable looking connection and magically it started working. YMMV

[@TheBlue028]

@@RealStuntPanda did you make a custom profile ingame when connecting them to usb? I have used a csw v1 and my v1 CSP (same electronics as the v2) perfectly fine

[@TheBlue028]

@@RealStuntPanda there are 2 scenarios i can think of that would make your pedals not work ingame 1. Drivers not installed correctly 2. Previously used emuwheel and pedals have not been unmuted with hush

[@RealStuntPanda]

@@TheBlue028 1) If the drivers aren't installed correctly Windows wouldn't recognize the pedals and it's pretty hard to mess up pressing the "install" button. 2) Never installed Emu Wheel on this computer, or any computer, plus it's brand new.

[@Canadavid]

Your opinions on force feedback are top notch. Do you plan on giving Forza horizon 5 a try and specifically commenting on the force feedback?

[@TheBlue028]

Absolutely, will put a video together once I have had a bit more time on the game

[@mark_lhr3]

Superb - Any recommendations for G29 (and is the G293 worth getting?)

[@gamereconomist245]

Nice vid

[@bengartner2850]

Great video man! Helped out a ton! Thank you

[@KazuyaYuza]

Nice video! Buy a pop-filter tho. The popping is unreal

[@brandensorrentino4327]

How do you open the boxes that look at force feedback

[@nicklunn7855]

Centre spring scale set to 50 for a test with Xbox one Logitech G920 made a massive difference to the feel added some weight when holding a drift before there was a big drop in ffb when sideways turning this up holds the force for the smoothest possible drift

[@Techn9cian123]

Can you write your current settings down for me please?

[@Canadavid]

Question: If you tune aligning forces to utilize the full range of force feedback without clipping using a Nissan 370Z - won't that mean that force feedback will be clipping when you jump into a higher performance car with much more grip? Or am I understanding that wrong?

[@TheBlue028]

That is right, pretty sure I mention that in the video at one point as well. That's why it's important to use a car that fits in the category you drive most, but you can also tun the overall ffb level per car with the car specific ffb option available in test drive

[@Canadavid]

@@TheBlue028Thanks. So for tuning for accurate steering feel across many cars based on physics it makes sense to follow your procedure maximizing ffb to clipping level in a car that has very high steering forces (i.e. Renault Indy car}, then other cars will feel comparatively accurate to one another. Great video and procedure.

[@FluxOhHai]

Very informative! Than you indeed!

[@scareyaf]

G'day mate, thanks heaps for all your work on the subject but I can't seem to map my Logitech gear stick now for some reason, is this in relation to Emuwheel or am I just being a spud? Will keep trying in the interim, hope to hear a reply. Cheers.

[@TheBlue028]

Are you using emuwheel? If yes you need to make sure your shifter has been bound in the configurator

[@scareyaf]

@@TheBlue028 Yeah I straight up completely missed the right side of the panel and button configs. User error for sure. Sorry lol.

[@TheBlue028]

@@scareyaf all good, your not the first and I'm sure not the last haha at least you figured it out thats the main thing

[@b0bleader]

So fckin informative thank you so much mate! If you have anymore advice how to set for normal racing i would appreciate it! Its on xbox with G920. Raising the pneumatic scale for better feedback but is there any other option for that? Also put the steering to normal isnt means some kind of assist? Also im in trouble with the steering angle. Or is just the result of a bad setting, but when you loosing grip its kinda impossible to follow the car with the wheel

[@b0bleader]

Well after few more miles i can say its getting better, but i still dont have much feedback of the very first moments when of you loosing grip and thn its too late when it arrives and thats why cant follow that movement with the wheel

[@TheBlue028]

@@b0bleader you may want to try adding some vibration, for circuit racing it can be very beneficial as you will get feeling when any of the tyres are beginning to break traction

[@BrOkEnSkAtEr1295]

So I’m trying to follow this but I’m missing a few settings, help?

[@TheBlue028]

On console you wont have steering sensitivity but you will have wheel rotation angle instread, everything else should be the same

[@BrOkEnSkAtEr1295]

@@TheBlue028 ahhh okay hell yea, got any idea what’s a good amount of rotation angle?

[@TheBlue028]

@@BrOkEnSkAtEr1295 i usually run maximum (900) but can lower to 720 or 540 for some race cars/open wheel cars

[@budthecyborg4575]

Please do a guide for Forza 8, everyone else is terrible at this.

[@TheBlue028]

I don't think they have changed much on the ffb front so this guide should still kinda work, although it could be different but i haven't bought or played the game

[@budthecyborg4575]

@@TheBlue028 It only costs $10 to try it out, but I totally understand if you're done with the series.

[@ManiBiggs]

👌good setting

[@marcosmilano5411]

When I keep the pneumatic trail scale at 0 it feels smoother, is it ok to keep it at 0 or is that unrealistic?

[@TheBlue028]

Imo opinion its prefectly fine to run it on 0

[@StreetRacingLifeStyle]

I just dont like that the brake physics change on the wheel! on controller you can trail brake or just brake into a corner! On wheel it feeks as tho the brake bias is heavy to rhe rear causing the back end to constantly wash out

[@TheBlue028]

The physics don't change, the friction based input filter on the controller doesn't just limit the input based on the front tyre friction, it also accounts for the rear tyre friction as well. So the filter nearly perfectly holds the cars on slip angle, which is why controllers are so fast, on a wheel you have to do it 100% manually which is very difficult

[@Macoswag]

V sync causes the "delay"

[@TheBlue028]

Vsync adds more delay yes, I dont use vsync though

[@SongDesire]

Me and Dust went over this with you time and tme again in the past in the past Blue, dont go by the visual animation to make your assumptions, as the animations are abitrary to the actual physics. The physics themselves are not delayed, just the animation of the steering wheel and the car wheels. Even T10 have confirmed to you in the past that what you see on the screen in regards to the animations has no effect on the physics. You had extensive PM's with a T10 staffer over this exact thing also.

[@TheBlue028]

I never said the physics where delayed, the input/ffb is delayed because the game holds too many frames for buffering (or something akin, pre rendered frames whatever terminology you want to use) since input and FFB are updated at the current frame there is high latency in the input/output. It has been stated in a technical interview that the xbox series x is going to tackle the issue of latency because of forza motorsport. I beleive they quoted input latency on average on current systems is ~100ms which is very high for a simulator

[@TheBlue028]

Here is the article of your interested. www.engadget.com/forza-motorsport-xbox-series-x-first-look-interview-162008531.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly90LmNvL1ZVNjBrVUZsbnM&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAALMnWfCuoY_Tqa1MBGR24HhWe7tjrjCt8dg-8MtqLxXegHdizUPQ504SHD-Pu0ITv6PArXr0X2sxVqjJW_nIrU_znUqlkDq40YbYiLD2MISVheT65CJ0l1mMR4YM9LUhEmsjT91z_2EJs4FYkl-I3JM7pqlq4BsjKhUP2ohRu_9

[@SongDesire]

@@TheBlue028 @TheBlue028 the latency in the force feedback was fixed though Blue, you was right on that one, and because you highlighted it T10 resolved it. With regards to the series x, that is just trying to combat normal input latency which all gaming consoles and pc's suffer with when transfering input from the controller to the software to the screen. It doesnt matter if you are using a high end gaming mouse, a game pad, a keyboard, or a racing wheel. They all have very similar levels of input latency when going from input to screen. That is what Microsoft are trying to tackle. I am already up to date on that information, as I have been following news about the Series X closely. In regards to how you open this video though, you instantly go onto a visual input delay, and you specifically focused on the in game steering wheel animation. You know that animation wrong, you have had at least 2 seperate T10 devs that deal with FFB and wheels tell you that the animation has no bearing on the inputs made on the steering wheel. And that the cars front wheels also have no bearing on what you do on your steering wheel, because they are just animations. And yet, here you are again throwing out misinformation that the games input is delayed (above normal) while using that god damn animation as your focus point yet again. Look, Blue. You do great things to help out the forza community, and I applaued you for still been able to do so after all this time. I gave up because people dont want to listen, and I also got fed up of waiting around for T10 to fix the issues with the game. But you have to stop going back to the old things that you know have no bearing on the actual driving or physics or your inputs. That animation has always been laggy, even on the original Xbox with FM1. The animation lag of the steering wheel has only got worse over time as they made it more compicated. But that animation has no bearing on anything to do with how much you turn, how fast you turn, or how fast the FFB sends you feedback. How many times do you need to be told this by me, Dust, and even T10 developers?

[@TheBlue028]

@@SongDesire well there is a way to test that now, if I get an app that used data out that displays the current input the game is receiving as that is a parameter in the data out, I can pretty much guarantee you it would have the same latency. The animation is directly linked to the steering input, it's not physically accurate because it doesn't follow the full range of input or be truly linear with the input that it does match. FWIW devs have only said that the animation doest match and is not representative of the actual input, but that's not to say they are totally disconected, and I have never had PMs with devs regarding the latency or animation, I had PMs regarding simulation steering which has now been cleared up, yet I still see people saying that sim is broken.

[@budthecyborg4575]

Turn 10 still needs to make a "RAW Input" mode, with absolutely zero controller input filtering. Something is still going wrong with the way wheels handle and my best bet is there's still some residual effects from the base gamepad input code.

[@aswdtmjs6322]

This didn’t tell me how to connect it

[@Mauredian]

Anyone tries this on DFGT?

[@jonathanseibert761]

Imagine being so trash at making a game that your players need to watch a 30 minute video to adjust their settings for their wheel

[@RetroGamerr1991]

It's fucking unreal. There are 20 year old sims that have better force feedback.

[@JZStudiosonline]

@@RetroGamerr1991 It's not that uncommon. There's endless debates and apps for PC sims for setting up FFB. That being said, Forza's FFB out the box is pretty crap. I don't know why they need to work with manufacturers and make new wheel drivers when no other racing game with better FFB needs to. I've been playing Gran Turismo 4 and Enthusia on an emulator with my wheel, and Enthusia is shockingly good. GT4 is fine, not amazing.