I Absolutely DESPISE The Eldar

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[@wafflecon6029]

Oh no. I can already hear Pancreas nowork approaching.

[@SomeTuberr]

Majorkill coming along for an air strike

[@falloutgod1073]

Oh no

[@popelite9926]

Why am I hearing the beep of an insulin pump?

[@SomeTuberr]

@@popelite9926 best you check on that. Don’t wanna die

[@NuclearApocolypse]

I like it. It's gives opposite shit posting opportunities

[@limbo8497]

In defense of Eldrad going to Fulgrim, he could have seen all the shit the EC got up to and thought "These guys seem at high risk, I should warn them."

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

And yet DIDN’T notice all the red flags? I mean, just warn another group of marines that the EC are at high risk!

[@adamhubert6298]

To be fair to eldrad while he was dumb, far more credible characters have tried to all tell the more reasonable primarchs about the heresy and the only ones to listen was Alpharius and Omegon. So it's not like he was ever going to succeed.

[@lordgod9958]

​@@adamhubert6298Alphy and omegon listened to the totally not pro eldar doomsday cult because they had a vague plan to maybe defeat chaos at some point in the future. God the cabal story arc is just painfully silly at times

[@alexkatc59]

@@LordCrate-du8zm For example, TS could do something, if they would be warned. Oh, shi...

[@Saurophaganax1931]

​@@adamhubert6298 yeeeah but it’d be better to try and fail at convincing the Imperial Fists, than it would be to stroll up to a legion of purple clad super soldiers who are worshipping the god of spiky dildos that literally eats Eldar souls. Talk about the rabbit strutting up to the hound dog to warn him about the hunter.

[@seanturner1197]

Who could forget the space elves for setting Angron on the path to daemonhood when they headed for Nuceria to eliminate him but predictably fail as he slaughtered them when he was a child? Who could forget that what really brought about the birth of she who thirsts were the space elves holding hands?

[@taco5225]

In all fairness angron was doomed the moment the nails were implanted. Not really the elders fault

[@notusneo]

​​@@taco5225they are the one who ambushed Angron life pod (who is a baby mind you) trying to kill him and failed, which heavely wounded him and making him an easy capture for the slaver of nuceria. So yeah it can be safely said that its those knife ears fault and his fate would be different if the attack didnt happened in the first place

[@Error-mn4el]

the thing with Angron is very confusing honestly, they could have just, used their ship to gun him down, literally no reason to leave it, just float 30m above him and gun him down, hell, might as well nuke him from orbit to be sure but nah, its time to leave the ship with guns and engage a god child in CQC

[@Ghastly1]

Some of the dumbest lore in the setting and that's really saying something. Beating Eldar (a race that can predict the future and have guns that rip the fabric of reality apart) as a child doesn't make Angron seem cool, it just makes the Eldar look stupid.

[@alastor8091]

​@@Ghastly1Konrad's first act after reaching the surface of his planet was to ambush, kill, and eat a person. Angron being Angron, he was probably even more badass as a baby and took the Eldar by surprise. Ferrus Manus fought that Necron thing as a kid multiple times and lived until he killed it. Perty was able to cling for a cliff for days I think? When he was a baby. It's entirely possible Angron could have pulled that off.

[@nikolaithewretched8428]

I hated elves before I got into 40k and the joy I had when there was a society of people who wanted to destroy elves in the future was perfection. The Imperium of Man is my home for one fact, they hate those damned dagger ears as much as me. Throne bless us.

[@SmoothSeek]

I may hate elves... but the arnor design sold me on having a Ulthwe army... yes I put my dwarven heart in the book of shame and have joined the slayer ranks for repentance

[@kyridounis5040]

Beards in belts, slayers. Many are us who have fallen to the gaze of the flamboyant knife ears.

[@HappyNoob17YT]

i can hear Pancreasenowork screaming inn rage

[@kyridounis5040]

@@HappyNoob17YT i honestly cant imagine his voice screaming or raised in any way😄😄

[@juanlulourido548]

Eldar are very based, pity GW refuses to update them and the lore writers at GW decide that they always either die like idiots or are outright retarded (rant incoming). The Eldar have existed in 40k since the days of rogue trader as one of the main factions of the game, this solidified during 2nd edition, the actual first iteration of 40k as a developed setting. The Eldar hold during this era a very classical role in the universe of 40k, filling the space of the extremely advanced, old and mysterious race whose motives are not very well known. It is very important to know that the Eldar at this point are considered to be the most advanced race, with the strongest psykers and with a very specific and unique way of fighting working around specialist squads. They were also very relevant, forming the trio of classic factions next to orks and space marines. And while 40k didn’t have much in the way of stories or novels like it does nowadays, the lore snippets made them feel important and influential. About overlapping themes, this is a problem most settings suffer from once they start to expand and they add more races, overlapping is inevitable. An example are Necrons, that stripped Eldar of their old mantle as the most technologically advanced species, but hey, at least they are still the most powerful psykers and masters of specialised warfare… right? Well, ends up now big humans have an army full of 100% psykers (Grey knights), and forget about being the strongest psykers, now every named space marine psyker (Mephiston, Tigurius, Ezekiel, Magnus) has more feats than the single strongest farseer to ever live (Eldrad). In one hand you have Mephiston obliterating millions of tyrannids while he flies away as a classic space marine Gary Tsu, on the other hand you got this 10.000+ years old Eldrad guy whose best feat is awakening a god, that sounds neat before you remember he kinda failed at it because he couldn’t kill a single space marine that was about to fuck up the ritual. And his gets worse when Magnus can easily move ships in orbit, some random chaos sorcerer literally transports a frigate through space without problems and Tigurius can take a peek at the hive mind’s thoughts. Meanwhile almost every farseer to ever appear in a book fails completely at predicting the future (you know, their only job), or display such incompetence it is laughable that these guys have survived 10 thousand years at this point. Oh, and forget about being masters of specialised warfare, because now primaris space marines do it better (yeah, I know HH era marines copied this before, but not half as relevant). And remember grav tech? Time ago only Eldar had it in numbers. Then necrons, Tau and Eldar had em, now Custodes, Space marines, Eldar, Necrons , mechanicus and Tau have it. And now on books. In general BL books are low quality bolter porn, but at least you get to see your faction kick some ass… right? Well, except if you like craftworld eldar, for some reason you are amongst the oldest factions in the entire lore but you have less novels than literally random space marines chapters that are not even first founding. And don’t expect much because only 1 novel about craftworld eldar (Valedor) is any decent. In the rest all they do is being incompetent, useless morons that get pounded by space marines and in general the imperium as they helplessly die like idiots, I guess that’s what happens when Gav Thorpe and CS Goto have written literally most of your books. But then, when Eldar seemed to have lost relevance we got hope in the form of the Ynnari, a faction that would unite all Eldar in a cool as hell version of the space elf Avengers, sounds neat, right? Well, indeed it sounded awesome till Gav Thorpe decided to take a hold on them. And so this faction has a single purpose, to find all the croneswords and both empower Ynnead and kill or trap Slaanesh, this sounds like an awesome time to do what they did in AoS (trap Slaanesh temporarily and drain souls from her) and have the Eldar win for once in their lives. (haha, what a joke) If course the whole thing is a mess. In the end they are incapable of accomplishing their objective since the last cronesword is in Slaanesh’ palace (I guess Guilliman can burn some of nurgle’s garden, but cegorach and Ynnead are too weak I do jackshit, poor guys committed the mistake of being Eldar instead of Imperial). But before this Yvraine gets curbstomped first by imperial guard, then by some demon. In the process of this massive Oof Gav Thorpe delights us by making the cool as hell Spear of Twilight, a vampiric weapon used by Prince Yriel capable of even making the Hive Mind scream in pain and permakilling anything... Into a cronesword, Yvraine transforms the damn spear into a sword, because we all know another generic sword is cooler than an actually unique, recognisable weapon. The cherry on top of this shitcake is a group consisting of Yvraine, The visarch, Lelith Hesperax, Jain Zar, a solitaire alongside a small army of Ynnari failing to kill a single greater demon (ye, those ones space marine captains easily kill in every damn book). So first the visarch and the solitaire die and the rest are defeated by the demon. Then Yvraine proceeds to summon the Yncarne and defeats the demon… that ended up being a simple projection at 1% of its power… You end up with a faction that are old, but not the oldest. Have good technology but are not the best. Fight in specialised squads, but so do other factions. And are a psychic race that is much worse at being psykers than humans. To top things even harder all they do is being pathetic in every damn book (and I wish I had made this about dark eldar to explain my disdain for that turd that is Silent Hunters) and never accomplish a single time any of their objectives.

[@SeanCrosser]

Preach, brother.

[@joesheridan9451]

Great comment from someone who appreciates eldar for what they could be but for the love of god man… Paragraphs!

[@crim1188]

Where from is that horseshit about that avengers squad failing to kill a demon? Because holy fuck that sounds awful. Lelith, a solitaire and the mary sue herself Yvraine are a primarch killing force. What a joke

[@TriscutSmalls]

in recent lore Eldrad basically is like helping the Gman and said that they REALLY need humanity to stay around also i read Gman told all upper (custodes,the church, inquisition) that his persoanl informant was eldrad.

[@farseer2043]

After 11k years, he understood that blue marines are more reasonable.

[@richardvaldes3959]

I remember them in the old lore where they were scary and ominous and those were the normal ones. The drukai were terror. Now they are just a dying race of dumbasses constantly second tier to human characters. All the while they know better

[@iiiiiiiiiicecream]

Ok look... I love it when a creator tries something new. I'm no fan of the idea that a person must be forbidden to change, must be forced to continue doing the exact same thing OVER and OVER again merely because we, the slavering mob, demand it. I want to see creators branching out, attempting the unknown, leaping bravely into the abyss because their explorer's heart demands it of them! That having been said, I am just SO happy you went back to the origin intro. That "uh... Hi!" just makes me incredibly happy in a way I can't adequately define.

[@matthew3009]

It makes me cringe, it sounds like he's trying to act shy, LIKE WHY TF ARE YOU ACTING SHY?! THIS AIN'T NO ASMR ROLEPLAY! WHY THE FECK DOES THE WORD "DESERT" HAVE A SECOND MEANING THAT'S PRONOUNCED "DESSERT????" WHY COULDN'T THEY JUST USE DESSERT??!?! DO THEY THINK I'M STUPID?!

[@angelavery3840]

OK I think my computer is glitching but why does your comment says it was made two weeks ago?it’s only been six hours.

[@Hugme778]

​@@matthew3009femboy "um... hi"

[@woodlefoof2]

@@matthew3009oh dear

[@iiiiiiiiiicecream]

@@angelavery3840 oh, it's because I'm a channel member.

[@goni2493]

Well despise the Darkn Eldar. The 5% (craftworld eldar) saw the writing on the wall and left.

[@670HP-Package-NOW]

Dorfs: have beards Knife ears: beardless The choice is both clear and easy

[@goni2493]

But which ones have epic magic and sexy women?

[@SonOfTheSonOfTheSon]

​@goni2493 dorf have rock and space magic and cool shortstacks 2 drink u under da table... just don't mind them also having beard...

[@670HP-Package-NOW]

@@goni2493 Women are temporary, gold is forever

[@goni2493]

@@SonOfTheSonOfTheSon so Dwathern women are ugly.

[@cinderguard3156]

There was a joke character who later became a fan favorite in my dnd campaign where the blacksmith my players met was an elf named bear. They expected a slim skinny androgynous elf only to be met with a mountain of an elf who stood taller then the half orc, had a beard to put the dwarves to shame, and an obsession with perfection in all his work. They always went back to him anytime they needed equipment cuz they knew from that point on bear ment quality.

[@shadow-monger5189]

People seem to not realize why the Emperor had such a strong, anti-xeno position was entirely due to these guys.

[@mauganra2589]

That’s not really accurate.

[@joesheridan9451]

Actually he was friends with Eldar at one point

[@maxd.9455]

​@@joesheridan9451where else would Roboute girlyman get this preference for eldar waifus

[@joesheridan9451]

@@maxd.9455 This setting went downhill ever since unfunny meme cows joined in

[@FarremShamist]

The craftworlds were making a concerted effort to try to avoid the Horus Heresy and stay out of the way--The Eldar just don't trust humans anymore, so don't tell them shit for it, precisely because of humanity's "shoot first and never ask questions" mentality on aliens.

[@Salvationtower]

Can we just appreciate how good Lyle is at voicing media - induced despair? 😊

[@GiRR007]

It wasnt the old ones that made the necrons, the necrons developed on their own but went to war with them because they wouldnt teach them how to be immortal.

[@sketchiestscribbles3130]

careful! your pancreas may stop working at any moment.

[@PseudonymsAreGovnoYaEbalGoogle]

Eldars don't honour the Sixth House and the Tribe Unmored.

[@Mad_Geniuz]

my main issue with the Eldar. there are the most stuck up race in the glaxy and yet they are the biggest fuck ups in 40k. -made a new choas god -ruled the galexy and did nothing -made the eye of terror - dark eldaer yet they look down on all other races. the nercon earn there stuckness, they fought and won the war and heven pluses breaking the c'tan. the eldaer come off as a child who can never admit there wrong

[@fallentitan9811]

We should have Pancreas show up so you two can brawl, have a good old Dwarf vs Elf debate. I would definitely watch that. Course I already know Orks are the superior race anyway though so I’d watch for the fun of it.

[@2guys1cliplol]

I herd Senator Armstrong's Insulin pump go off when this video was uploaded.

[@theimperviousfirecracker7934]

This is my new favorite 40k lore channel. Not only is it informative, but it’s funny because he sounds like he just sat down in front of his microphone and just started talking.

[@wesleymiles8756]

I find it funny that main insult towards humanity of the only other primate xenos species in 40k… is calling us primates. Genius move, Eldar.

[@missZoey5387]

Will never forgive the space elves for causing the warp storms that led to the Age of Strife, birthing Slannesh because they got bored from having perfect lives, and led to the Eye of Terror. On top of causing their own downfall and screwing humanity in the process, they STILL want to act like they're better than the humans. At least the Exodites just chill on their dinosaur planets.

[@ragingraider889]

The Eldar would be a lot better if they remembered their place and stopped patronizing humanity.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

I love how necrons try to argue they won the war in heaven, because winners 100% run and hide for millions of years hoping their organic enemies they suppsoeldy beat will implode in that time period.

[@Dumbozo_II]

I think it would be cool if normal elves were as short as dwarves but really skinny and had pointy noses, but half elves were like normal elves from tolkien. And then the half elves call themselves the REAL elves, and the short elves are just like whimsical little fey creatures that would make you a really good pair of shoes if you gave the a delicious soup.

[@razorflossrazor2937]

To be fair to the eldar now whenever they try and tell humanity that insert thing is dangerous they will do the exact opposite.

[@MistaGuido-nk3iz]

Listen, Eldar are awesome. GW writers just can't do them justice because Eldar would be too successful if we were actually written correctly.

[@Warmaster2001]

Heh better to make them too succesfull than constantly failing. I think seeing that Eldars starting to succeed In some awesome shit they doing it really can attract people to read about them. For example Eldars trying to fix Magnuses giant fuckup by rebuilding created by emperor webway and sowing the barrier between golden webway and warp which will allow Emperor to potentially start regenerating and don't sit constantly on the golden throne (because why do that if the breach is fixed and daemons can't invade anyway)

[@DylanGosseye]

Let's not forget it was an eldar farseer's fault that angron got taken as a slave, and turned traitor.

[@krofgninut5984]

Personally, i think a part of the writing decisions was that bc the eldar look so superficially similar to humans, they had to make up for this simililarity by making thier thought process incomprehensibly alien to the humans reading about it.

[@fredrickjones566]

Did I hear a rock and stone?

[@KingLich451]

Like that, ROCK AND STONE!

[@outfit5103]

Eldar written as absolutely overpowered yet written as absolute pushovers at the same time

[@Volcano22207]

The main problem is that they have to inept so a blueberry can Supplex and avatar of Kane or else they might ….. move the setting forward

[@fetusdeletus9266]

The funniest thing to me is how practically everything that’s wrong with the 40k galaxy is the direct or indirect result of the Eldar screwing things up.

[@AngryHomunculus]

My thoughts on the Eldar are such: I think Maugan Ra and the Death Reapers look cool

[@multiHappyHacker]

If you will recall, Eldrad thought maaaybe those specific space marines weren't like the rest because they didn't immediately claim a terraformed perfect world for the imperium when they first saw it. So he figured that primarch may listen to reason, unlike the rest of those silly mon-keigh.

[@karchev23]

The whole necron/ old one thing is drawn out p well. Necrons existed at the same time as Old ones but were all sickly. Necrontyr wanted to not be cancer ridden anymore- Old ones told them to fuck off then boom- war in heaven.

[@jiahuilai608]

Themetically, you even forgot the "Exodites" 😂

[@matteorossi1172]

This is a clear unbiased view of the eldars thank you!

[@theodoremccarthy4438]

The Eldar were stable for literally tens of millions of years before they lost their minds and birthed Slaanesh. What changed? Humanity spread out across the galaxy, became increasingly psychic, and then got themselves slaughtered by their rebelling AIs. Clearly, it was the psychic feedback from that horror show which drove the Eldar nuts. So, unless you can prove it was the Eldar who hacked humanity’s AIs and started the rebellion (it probably was) you can’t claim the Eldar are responsible for the state of the galaxy. That’s entirely on humanity.

[@dramker9499]

now more than ever i would love a collab of some kind with pancreas no work, but idk if you hate each others guts or anything like that, i just know that would be really funny to see dwarf guy and elf guy talking together about the setting

[@systemhalodark]

Millions of years of existence, and yet they still have the mentalities and ethos of pre-industrial societies XD.

[@digitalshoes5520]

'elfman bad' *bearded approval*

[@Azzhaul]

PancreasNoWork prob gon doublepump it in you on why you should enjoy their shenanigans in the lore.

[@Cheattoe]

Ha I love the skull knight background on your channel

[@cooldudeninja0219]

So this might sound weird but I actually might end up homebrewing or crafting an idea behind a chapter of Chaos space marines that worship the god of mischief and memes? It gonna be interesting and it's gonna be weird/hard cause techincally they are chaos space marines but don't worship chaos anymore...

[@kimarous]

I like the aesthetics of elves generally, though can do without the arrogance. Probably why I'm a lot more tolerant of Dragon Age elves, because theirs is more the frustration of the oppressed than the haughtiness of the elite. As for the Craftworlds, I see them more from a Necron perspective: "Ancient enemy, will you serve as a worthy opponent?" In other words: keep updating your older derpy kits so I have "worthy ancient foes" to take pictures of together with my army - and that's why this Necron collector was excited when the Craftworlds got a partial range refresh.

[@verruxlunox8438]

I have a 1500$ Idoneth Deepkin army. Sylvaneth, Drukhari - love em. I hate elves. Unironically. This video catches my thoughts about 'em knife-ears perfectly. WIth every single word, even the title - i agree.

[@sir_pattington1894]

Fun fact: the clown in Clown Room is the Eldar, the new employee is the GW writing room, and the crowd is the Warhammer fan base.

[@jonathantheslow]

Necrons actually aren’t creations of the Old Ones. 3:10

[@dylanschnabel4859]

How dare the Eldar believe they’re the superior race! Unlike the… uh.. the… oh, yeah, that’s right, people blame Eldar for everything when every other race is just as selfish and xenophobic as they are. I can’t believe I almost forgot that. Seriously, have some dang introspection.

[@Tardvonwagie]

Title alone deserves thumbs up. I'll watch video later

[@carcionpetto]

ok now you've done it, you've crossed the line, GUINNESS BRO???

[@Janx14]

Honestly the necrons ate up all the cool ancient race tropes, leaving the Eldar as a bunch of jobbers.

[@Dio_07]

You don't hate space elves, you hate Gav Thorpe's influence on how they're portrayed.

[@ТарасМакаренко-ф3ш]

3:00 60-65 million years ago, technologically advanced Necrontyr race expanded space. Accidentally found race of super-creatures - the Old Ones, since the Necrontyr had very big problems with living conditions, health, and besides this, they wanted an eternal healthy life, and Old Ones knew how to solve this, Necrontyr turned to them for help and guidance. Old ones sent them to hell, because they did not want to share the secrets of immortality with lower races. Necrontyr were offended and launched a full-scale war against them. Old ones won, and drove broken remnants of the Necrontyr into exile - into the zone of Halo-class stars. There they found creatures similar to the Old ones - the K'tan. In exchange for help in the war against Old ones and a super upgrade of their technology, Necrontyr swore to serve them faithfully. K'tan made them invincible and technologically super advanced, but besides this, they cruelly deceived them, arranged a biotransfer of Necrontyr into perfect robotic bodies, that do not have free will, turning them into Necrons. C'tan led the silent and weak-willed Necron super-army against Old ones, and thus began the War in Heaven. Old ones were super beings, but Necron technology surpassed them in everything, Old ones began to lose more and more. So, in an act of desperation(!!!) they created cannon fodder for themselves - orcs and eldar. Although in the end it didn't help them. Exactly! Eldar are simply cannon fodder, created in an act of desperation. With the difference that Orcs - are cannon fodder with muscles, Eldar - are cannon fodder with intelligence.

[@sanuku535]

*Angry pancreus noises* But I understand, I will take a beer with the boys over high poetry and fine wine.

[@daviddestin1990]

You haven't played WH40K until you have deployed a Harlequin masque. The ultimate shock troops.

[@dragontamers1972]

Breaking: Pancreasnowork on suicide watch

[@alexeistukov433]

I love games workshop for being mongoloids and just taking a shit on all aspects of eldar lore whilst sanctioning the 456th book about captain biggus bulgus plottus armorous the contrived raw dogging an avatar of khaine with his pinky finger.

[@Drew_Thompson]

Eldrad did pick the blue guys tho. Hydra Dominatus.

[@No-ll3mh]

ROCK AND STONE, TO THE BONE

[@curtisbrown547]

I really like the eldar, much more than I typically like elves. I genuinely love the weird space ninja asthetic. it's super fucking cool, and their units are also totally bad ass looking and lorewise allot of them are really neat. But... As a eldar fan, I basically agree with you on all fronts... they are written like absolute garbage. they are the biggest jobber of the setting and it stings so fucking bad, because they are constantly written like they might be able to do something, or make a difference, only for it to be ripped away again and again. Every reason you have not to like the eldar is entirely fair and valid, because I find them to be incredibly dissapointing aspects of the race too. Being a eldar fan seems to be entirely unsupported by the lore. they're written like a passive observer in the universe that loses instantly the second anything notices them. The avatar of khaine is the obvious example. asthetically and lore wise, its such a cool unit. It's literally a shard of the elven god of war, but it just gets bagged on by everyone. the eldar are a race that is full of huge interesting, high potential plot threads that just never get explored, and never happen despite always being teased as being just around the corner. Cegorach's final trick against slaanesh, Isha being free'd from the realm of nurgle, yneead finally "actually" awakening, even khaine being reformed from enough shards potentially... yet.. it seems like the writers are happy to just dangle those plot threads around to try and psych out eldar fans over an over instead of actually having the balls to pull the trigger on a big universe altering event.

[@ethansams883]

But..... But..... The Olds Ones did not make the Necrontyr..... They were the second ever sentiment race to evolve, the Old Ones' juniors

[@АлександрВишняков-т6ф]

Someone seems to have forgotten that thanks to humans, the Dark Gods have armies and billions of mortal followers, and also because of the actions of humans tyranids appeared in the galaxy)

[@axellenhart7890]

Who allowed the gods to be born in the first place?

[@Seoul_Soldier]

The Eldar would be better if they weren't written like generic fantasy elves.

[@kartoffelsalat0]

Love this video, I'm like 85% agree with your points but hear me out. Minus the persona they'll have, exodites exist in a cool way. They will lean heavy on lazer toting dinosaurs and im really ok with that. Age of wonders planet fall amazonian style.b

[@mirr0rmirr0r]

Haha, I love the Eldar. Eldar and Orks are my favorites.

[@catthompson4272]

This is something i can get behind the eldar (and elves in general) just rub me the wrong way.

[@eldarsadykov]

As a guy whose name is Eldar, I want to see this video.

[@shadowpoet4398]

I love your videos. They feel relatable

[@Sh1tbagActual]

We’re all on Mr. Bones’ Wild Ride now bois.

[@disfuncionexe]

Don’t like elves or honestly a lot of other fantasy race is just from her writing stand point. They’re always like human beings, except they have some really ridiculous over-the-top thing with their culture and then they have a bunch of like crazy abilities and no drawbacks. So it makes humans kind of like really under powered and boring and I feel like this fantasy races would be more interesting if they actually had like weaknesses compared to humans that they had to contend with and then that would make them use their special abilities and interesting ways to overcome most weaknesses. Like elves, they’re just like better humans they’re humans except they’re stronger faster and they live a really really long time and they have like hardly any drawbacks in comparison. Or like dwarves they are just humans but short and really strong and they live really long time. It’s honestly even worse than sci-fi, though. Like the the fucking Vulcans in Star Trek they’re human beings, but they have pointy ears green blood. They live for 200 years and they’re smarter, stronger and faster than humans and they have some minor psychic abilities and there’s no drawbacks. Humans actually have quite a few ability is that most animals on earth don’t that we cannot take for granted like we have the ability to sweat which is super useful. We’re really good at throwing things and we have the ability to run for a really long time because of our efficient gait. We’re like one of the only species that can run for so long that we can actually run until we start to hallucinate from sleep deprivation. If there’s any weird grammar errors or spelling errors in this comment, I don’t give a shit I use speech to text to write it and every time I try to edit it it like jitters around on my screen and it’s super annoying.

[@cleanerben9636]

The Vulcan drawback is that they experience emotions far more strongly than humans do which means they were even more violent, unfocused and unstable.

[@disfuncionexe]

@@cleanerben9636 I still think they are OP tho. too many + stats with not enough drawbacks. valve pls nerf

[@chongwillson972]

@@disfuncionexe eh, it doesn't matter because humans have some vague power than makes them more successful and are everywhere. if give the other races exploitable weaknesses than humans will win even harder. my favorite fantasy race is from dnd 5e, that being kobolds, they have rather interesting lore, they are 2 and half foot tall dragon people with dog noses, they have masters of digging, mining and making anything underground, they are quite crafty when it comes to makes machinery with scraps and also traps, they love traps, they have draconic blood which allows them to use sorcery more often, they can eat almost anything, they worship/love dragons, and 1 out of 1000 of them have wings. sometimes when they are desperate, they use certain weapons like, scorpion on a stick, beehives jar of spiders, glasses of glue. they are mostly lawful evil because good and neutral dragons, despite having major ego's, avoid them for some reason( i,e if they did kobolds would be a common race and be good guys) even when they are in evil communities, a perfect world to them is one where the other races leave them alone. kobolds are fine with living in communities with humans, they are love supporting their communities. they also have a tendency to be at or near the bottom of any social totem poles and are often seen as pests rather than monsters. they have the weakness of Sunlight Sensitivity which basically means they can see that well in direct sunlight, and also their small size leads them to being much easier to grapple/restrain. they have big underdog feel to them and are rather cute.

[@disfuncionexe]

@@chongwillson972 yeah I don't like humans only succeeding because we have some vague protagonist energy. We should be successful because idk, we have really good stamina compared to other races. This would track with real life, we are endurance hunters and we possess the rare ability to sweat. We also have more slow twitch muscles than average. I like the idea of humans being not as fast as elves or strong as dwarves or orcs but able to run any of them to death. Don't give the fantasy races the ability to sweat and insane endurance, IRL these are features that are special to humans and they should be in fantasy too. Orcs could get the ability to sweat too I think but their drawback would be insane calorie requirements and stronger muscles that become fatigued faster. Humans would be the most successful because we would have been able to cover the planet faster since we would be able to cover more ground then the other races and we would be able to work the fields longer without needing to eat as much, instead of some stupid vague protagonist energy.

[@midgetydeath]

It’s ironic that the stereotypical, snobby, arrogant elves inspired by Tolkien’s elves are the opposite of his elves. Who were humble, honorable, and kind.

[@theodorehodbor5080]

Probably the funniest bit of Eldar lore I like is one of the reasons the Necrons went into hibernation was because with the Old Ones gone they expected the Eldar to basically self-destruct and decided to just wait it out. Then come modern 40k and the Necrons were proven basically 100% right. The only thing they couldn't foresee was the Eldar blowing themselves up so bad they basically started dragging all of reality with them via the Eye of Terror turned Great Rift.

[@brok56]

Necrons: phew. That escalated quickly. I mean, that really got out of hand.

[@theodorehodbor5080]

@@brok56 Necrons: Our expectations for you were low but HOLY FUCK

[@sebastijanglozinic8630]

I mean, it was not that hard to predict that a society of basically immortal, hedonistic psykers engineered to be living weapons would eventually tear itself apart.

[@drnage4495]

Oh yeah, took some real genius to figure a civilization would decline after several million years lol

[@aphato2770]

​@@drnage4495Yeah, Imagine if the Necrons woke up 50000 years earlier and the Eldar just start hunting them down

[@Demigodish4o3]

Pretty sure the Necrontyr weren't created by The Old Ones. They were part of the life that already existed in galaxy before those space frogs showed-up, hence why they have nothing to do with the Warp/Psychic powers, which The Old Ones were masters of.

[@falloutgod1073]

Yep the necrontyr where just a fluke

[@reginlief1]

So from what I understand there was a lot of life that existed independently of the old ones. The old ones would typically seed life but also uplift it. They were gardeners, essentially. It’s not clear if the necrons are older or younger than the old ones but they lived in the same era of the galaxy.

[@kail4997]

It’s worth pointing out just like the tau, necrontyr do have a presence in the warp as do anything with a soul, just very minor and no psyker.

[@XSilver_WaterX]

Also hinted at that humanity may be the reincarnation of the Necrontyr do to how uncanny similar their physiology and adaptability to becoming Necron Pariahs. The Necrons just want to go back to living life with cool powers the Old Ones were too lazy to give up and gave the Eldar, the badly copied versions of the Necrontyr, cool but unstable powers without any further planning. TTS Emperor was right, they were sh***y grandparents!

[@krieger8825]

Theh were wrecked in the first war, they all lost their souls after becoming the Necron

[@Flesh_Wizard]

"I absolutely DESPISE the Eldar" This title was made by a true child of the Emperor of Mankind

[@zeekly4135]

I can guarantee this entire video is just foreshadowing a titanic battle between PancreasNoWork and Mr.Bones

[@relight6931]

Hell yeah. If it is lore driven drama, while making every crook and cranny visible by us, who didn't read all the 500+ books and stories, i say bring it up! I wouldn't care for personal drama. That is the worst and lowest form of voyeuristic entertainment.

[@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus]

@@relight6931. Fighting over personality = cringe Fighting over fantasy factions to prove that whitestreaks the perfect standard to hold for how to deal with any elf anywhere at anytime = based

[@Kingofdragons117]

I thought Pancreas didn’t like the Eldar much.

[@lucchi018]

​@@Kingofdragons117 He's a Eldar simp. He even made a video on why the Eldar should've been the true protagonists of 40k

[@brya9681]

Pancreas vs some idiot

[@TheoEvian]

Eldar could be made very cool: predicting future, technology undistinguishible from magic, jumping from planet to planet via the webway, giant jumping robots, evasive, mysterious and puzzling. But then their stories would have to be written by somebody with a half of a brain cell. And the Avatar would have not to be basically a punching bag that we can kill in every battle to show how this space marine or another is like really strong.

[@vaiyt]

That's everyone who's not a space marine tho

[@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus]

⁠​⁠@@vaiyt the assassins get done well, the guard get done well, the eldar do meh and needlessly so, the clown eldar either get to be WAY TOO OP or next to useless, the necron are oddly done well, they can be silly, scary and cool. The only faction that’s really done the worst are the tau, since they shouldn’t be a thing, they should have been sent to meet the dodo bird a long time ago. I personally think the bloody handed god needs to be shown to be like he was in the gothic books: more like a natural disaster, something unavoidable like the laws of nature, you can’t stop the pull of gravity and you can’t halt the war god.

[@AndreyMakarov-i7h]

I actually prefer them as they are currently. They are amazing as someone you love to hate. I don't want them to ever become likeable or reasonable.

[@Spaced92]

They are cool just not written well, one thing I'd like to point out is they give all the Eldar cool toys to other factions they aren't OP at all, they are literally never written as OP and the one time they took out a bunch of Custodes easily it was Harlequins not Craftworlders. Predicting future? Necrons do it better + have time mastery in chronomancers because obviously they didn't have enough going on. Technology and giant robots? In many ways T'au took the robot and sleek eastern aesthetic off of them. The most specialised, effective units in their role? Oh Primaris do that now.

[@izzymosley1970]

I find it hilarious how in Warhammer 40K you have these ultra intelligent characters like the primarch's space Marines and eldar that make the most stupid decisions because they lack enough maturity to control Thier emotions despite living for hundreds of years.

[@nomus1172]

I mean the eldar experience emotions hundreds of times more intensely so is an eldar gets angry at an opponent it puts angron to shame

[@eran3161]

Maybe that's what being treated like a God does to you. Not necessarily good for your character I suppose. Maybe they are victims of their own superiority. Although even that explain all dumb Primarch moments, I am aware.

[@eran3161]

* doesn't explain

[@JamJestKox]

Great intelligence without great wisdom only serves to cope away great mistakes

[@katamariroller2837]

But people still love that crap. There is an animation on KZbin called "Perturabo beats Fulgrim", apparently inspired by a scene from the books, and... tons of people love it, but I find it the dumbest garbage.

[@vinnythewebsurfer]

*PancreasNoWork will remember this*

[@Anonymous-mp2ln]

I really like the idea of the Ynnari. All the elves coming together even the dark kin finally getting their shit together and taking down the multiverse wide problem they created. Did that actually happen? Of course not, that would require GW to give someone other than the Space Marines or occasionally Chaos a win. I know taking out a Chaos God is a big ask, but screw it they did that in AoS and we got The Great Horned Rat out of it.

[@SeanCrosser]

They could at least be like the Farsight Enclaves, still participating in recent events and getting focused on. Instead they're just spinning wheels in the background, running around while Yakkety Sax plays and Slaanesh hides the final Cronesword they need.

[@jessevanhorn3726]

I think thats the most galling part, that AoS is only a few years old and they let the elves beat Slaanesh, but here they're stuck in Limbo forever

[@Zahaqiel]

The Ynnari annoy me for one singular reason: The Aeldari don't deserve their god of death. They put maybe a couple of million souls in their infinity circuits, networked them together and called it a day. _The Imperium of Man gets those numbers in an hour, and use the entire galaxy as their infinity circuit. The Imperium carves its worship of death into the face of the universe by hand. Have you seen their decor?! Have you read the Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer? _*_Have you read literally any Imperial adage about how the only reward for cowards is another day of fear?!_* The fact that the Emperor of Mankind isn't Ynnead is absolutely nuts.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

@Zahaqiel 1, it's more like billions of eldar souls. 2, eldar souls are way more potent than human souls. 3, The eldar are way more experianced with warp nonsense, God making and can look into the future to try out different methods to accelerate the birthing of a god.

[@Zahaqiel]

@@matthiuskoenig3378 It's not like billions of eldar souls, there aren't that many Asuryani and there certainly haven't been that many who've died in the past ten thousand years - the Eldar are _incredibly_ conservative with their own lives, for obvious reasons. And even factoring that in the Aeldari have never had a very high population compared to other races (prior to the Fall their empire only ever amounted to a few thousand worlds at most), and in the past ten thousand years of canon they haven't had particularly high birthrates either. It's millions of collected dead souls, not billions. And secondly, it doesn't matter that Eldar souls are more potent than human ones, humans outnumber them so greatly that the psychic weight of humanity is far greater than the Elder ever were or ever have been (as has been repeatedly reinforced in recent years with the Dark King lore and the predictions of what will happen when the Golden Throne fails, humanity have enough psychic weight to boil the whole galaxy out of existence if they ever create their own Eye of Terror). So point three really doesn't matter. They can accelerate the birthing of a god all they like, their efforts should only ever have been subordinate to the greater enterprise of the Imperial creed's god of death, and their "waking of Ynnead" should have simply given the Emperor some morning warp-coffee.

[@InquisitorThomas]

I think the Eldar could work as a faction but they’ve been absolutely abused and neglected by GW for years now and honestly I think the Craftworld Eldar are kinda obsolete as a faction. 1. The Eldar’s ability to see into the future is constantly nerfed by writers because “Oh we see the future and follow the plan to victory” isn’t a dramatic and interesting way of telling a story, so their main ability that make the Craft Eldar a believable player in the galaxy is often more of a hindrance then a boon. 2. The Eldar elites often don’t get the respect they deserve in most stories: Aspect Warriors are practically Space Marine Tier warriors but they don’t accomplish nearly as much as Space Marine do, and if a Space Marine has an actual name then they can rip through Aspect Warriors and Exarchs like butter. 3. Their role as the Imperium’s main Xenos ally has been seriously eroded over time, after the Ynari plot line fell through the Eldar have been in storytelling Limbo while the Necrons have become increasingly prominent and filling the Eldar’s old role.

[@OljeiKhan]

Im a space marine gigafan who impersonates a chaplain from time to time hence the profile picture and i see aspect warriors as being above "standard" space marines. Marines are elevated humans. Aspect warriors are elevated aeldari. Aeldari are already taller and stronger, they are more intelligent and they are way faster than us. In my mind something like fighting a formation of aspect warriors should be VERY DEMANDING and VERY COSTLY to the Space Marines. And individual duels should be disadvantegous to the marine, hence there should be a net negative in the folder of "marines who duel an aspect warrior and win" and there should be a net positive in the folder of "marines who found out"

[@katamariroller2837]

@@OljeiKhan Different writers have different perceptions of power levels, and GW apparently doesn´t have a "quality control guy" to hit people with numbers or something to make the damn levels believably consistent. This is why you can have Dreadnoughts where the pilot is a Space Marine that lost at least two limbs and a couple vital organs yet still survived long enough to be put in a sarcophagus, but at the same time most Space Marines die from, like, a single knife stab in the ribs or something. Personally, I´m of the opinion that Space Marines fighting Chaos Space Marines should look like a no-rules, fight-to-the-death wrestling fight between two rabid lobsters up to their antennae in fentanyl. But on the subject of Eldar, we know they are faster and stronger than regular humans, and even a perfectly normal Eldar is slightly psychic and precognitive. Aspect Warriors are also highly ritualistic soldiers that make fighting in a very specific way their life, and also probably have more experience than the average Butler Bother. So yeah, makes perfect sense that Space Marines and Aspect Warriors should be at the very least on par with each other, until you factor in a) Exarchs and b) the rest of the Eldar army that includes MORE precognitive people, xenophobic psychopats, and people that make battle plans by reading the goddamned future, at which point Space Marines SHOULD be at a disadvantage most of the time when fighting Eldar.

[@jbkeown1]

@@katamariroller2837 As a long time suffering Eldar fan, thank you for the basic respect

[@katamariroller2837]

@@jbkeown1 Well, it is important to remember that one can be measured not only by the quality of their friends, but that of their enemies. If Eldar can be defeated easily, what does that say about Space Marines, Imperial Guard, or any other army people like?

[@krissteel4074]

Me in 1994 with hair and metallica t-shirts Shit, new eldar mini's, sweet! Me in 2023 with no hair and suit Shit, are they still the same minis?

[@khylerbane4523]

“Show me a problem, I’ll tell you why it’s the elves fault.” -Dwarf with a grudge.

[@DavidLopez-en6el]

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[@sombodythatyouusedtoknow9046]

I stubed my pinky toe in a dark room

[@Dozarman]

​@@sombodythatyouusedtoknow9046an elf moved that object

[@isaacfransonfilm2139]

In Eldrads defense. They were not nearly as far down the line of corruption as you are implying. They had very few body modifications at the time, most of which came from fabius bile. In fact, if memory serves me right, only one caption had a special little "screech" move that he used to kill a bunch of banshees. Eldrad also picked Fulgrim because Fulgrim was the only primarch with an open enough mind not to just KILL Eldrad outright for saying Horus was a traitor. (Remember, Dorn almost killed another captain of the Death Guard for saying the same thing, imagine what he would do tona filthy xeno). Picking Fulgrim was a very very calculated and normally very safe move for Eldrad. Arguably why slaaanesh tried to corrupt the emperor's children. Not defending all Aeldars shinanigins, but even as a red blooded imperium lover, Eldrad isn't dumb.

[@isaacfransonfilm2139]

Let me get this straight tho: other than that, VERY based video

[@Bnvnu]

No, it's just too much , he's the best farseer on the market, and even "shortseer" Spacemarines could deduct they were corrupt before even walking into sight range, and don't even get me started on the summoning of ynnead foiled by a few deatchwatch marines. The guy is just a walking hecatomb for his specie

[@jackpray8669]

Did you pull that out from your rear because eldrad pick fulgrim because he didn't attack the maiden worlds and that's it

[@isaacfransonfilm2139]

@@jackpray8669 I would say I did, but I am not very good at pulling things out. Evidenced by the fact that I couldn't pull out of your mom and you popped out.

[@alexkatc59]

Yeap, Vulcan, for example, ate eldar children for breakfast, so i imagine how Eldrad would try to warn him about something.

[@myself2noone]

One of the most important things when writing any fantasy race is that it's fine to have a stereotype. But don't have your characters be a stereotype.

[@derpnip]

why not? why not wonder why there that way?

[@garitaevz]

"If you just let us know we coulda done something we have the inquisition" I feel that just makes their chances a coin flip at that point

[@SeanCrosser]

Cue an extremely conservative Inquisitor is the one that arrives and will not listen to anything the Eldar says.

[@Bread-nx9fo]

I love the Eldar as a faction, too bad GW hates them though, barely gives any new units or refreshers to them at all, the flamer sculpts are from the 90s and the books completely ruin any chance that they can escape from Slaanesh because of bad writing. (It’s also ridiculous how an avatar of Khaine, literal shard of a god, can be killed and treated as a punching bag by any named character or any space marine champion or captain in any book for plot convenience.)

[@SeanCrosser]

A Primarch returns and entire campaigns are turned around. A Phoenix Lord? Appears to just die to .

[@Engifarting456]

smh they refuse em to nerf in the tabletop

[@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus]

There was one old story about a avatar who just up and unrequested goes for a stroll through the web way and yeets a guy that some guardsmen are fighting, on its stroll in the web way it walks by the clown knife ears who all lay a brick and try not be noticed as this god like creature unfollowed and unexpected just strolls by them. Don’t remember the name but the story follows a imperial navy member posing as a higher ranking peer and gets saved by a commissars bolt round who was always staring at him urging him on to feats of great glory and honor at the lament of the guardsmen. The commissar had expired in the first few moments of the engagement according to the men who came to help and back up the troops

[@retardedfishfrogs1]

it's the Worf trope from Star Trek TNG, an Avatar of Khaine is supposed to be super duper strong so if your character beats one it means they're a real badass, but you do it often enough and the Avatar is a laughingstock

[@failedexperiment9073]

​@@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvusThe book you're thinking about is Shadow Point. The rest of Eldar stuff in it leaves something to be desired, but seeing Khaine actually fight like a god of war was amazing.

[@andreykuzmin4317]

The Ordo Xenos is admiring your hatered for the foul xeno, Eldar in particular and your support for our Abhuman allies. The Emperor protects.

[@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus]

Who looks at a ogryn busting through a enemy group or laying down heavy weapons fire and doesn’t want to support the most loyal servants of mankind? A bunch of upgraded ogryns were able to hold off the sons of Horus at one point to the point daddy had to save them, That’s Awsome.

[@cianmoriarty7345]

​@@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvusdon't forget the ratlings. Adorable little lecherous murder hobbits they are 😹

[@RelativelyBest]

You know, I've been wondering for quite some time now where the whole "haughty arrogant elitist elf" stereotype came from. Tolkien's elves aren't really like that, at least. It actually seems to have evolved gradually over time, almost as if most writers simply have trouble imagining a clearly superior species _not_ lording it over us. While technically not elves, my favorite alien species of this general type (and possibly my favorite in general) are the Protoss from StarCraft, specifically because they subvert the trope. Like, sure, there's that one guy Aldaris and his bosses, the Conclave, who do act like arrogant space elves. But all the Protoss hero characters we follow in the storyline are just plain good guys who are totally chill about hanging out with rough, gruff space-cowboy James Raynor, basically treating him as an honorary Protoss, and over-all they seem to genuinely respect Terrans as resourceful warriors. Heck, the story pretty much gets started because Tassadar figured: "Look, maybe we shouldn't casually genocide these people and write it off as collateral damage just because they happen to be in the way? It's not their fault their planets have a Zerg problem."

[@l.o.v.e-sick5330]

Eh, elitist elves appeared not because writers can't imagine a clearly superior species not lording over us, they've appeared because writers wanted to deconstruct Tolkien elves and make them more morally grey or a villains. And what is the most obvious flaw you can give to a clearly superior race?Arrogance, of course.

[@RelativelyBest]

​@@l.o.v.e-sick5330 Dunno if I consider arrogance to be a _moral_ flaw, though. At least not in the "morally grey" sense, which implies making pragmatic choices. It just makes you sorta insufferable. If anything, having elves be ruthless moral pragmatists might have been a better approach than giving them a cultural superiority complex. See, deconstruction isn't really about making stuff darker or more cynical. It's about "disassembling" an idea or trope and analyzing the constituent parts in order to better understand its meaning and relevance. Often this results in the trope being applied in a more realistic way than originally intended. (This is especially apparent with stuff that wasn't meant to be taken very seriously, like stories for children.) Unfortunately, a lot of people end up think realism and cynicism are the same thing. Like, if you really want to deconstruct elves, you might try to imagine what an immortal being who has been alive for thousands of years might actually think and act like, and what sort of culture this would result in. This is an interesting question because obviously we have no way of knowing and it's quite possible such an individual would have developed a perspective and set of values that would seem very alien to us. Just having this ancient elf be sort of a racist prick isn't "wrong," exactly. I mean, I guess that could happen. But it's kinda shallow. It's still just normal human behavior applied to a being who absolutely wouldn't qualify as "normal" by human standards. It's sorta the opposite of what a deconstruction is supposed to do. Besides all that, the fact that it ended up a stereotype still kinda suggests that the "arrogant elf" resonated with a lot of writers. I sorta doubt all of them set out to do a deconstruction on elves, much less the _same_ deconstruction. It still comes across as if that particular portrayal seemed accurate to many people.

[@NicholasBrakespear]

"Tolkien's elves aren't really like that" Thank you! So many people trace it back to Tolkien... but actually, Tolkien did elves right... everyone else failed to properly learn from it. Mainly because they forgot that either you have to be intelligent enough that your "old, wise, intelligent" character actually acts and speaks with wisdom and intelligence, or at least the sense to not have them talk too much and not have them reveal that you're not smart enough to write them as smart.

[@farseer2043]

I like the Protoss, they're really cool space elves, and wish the Ynnari to become the Daelaam of 40k.

[@TheTeodorsoldierabvb]

Yes, Tolkien's elves are exactly like that. I suppose you only read LOTR and not the Silmarillion. The amount of evil they did by having too inflated egos is very hard to overstate. The entire REASON for the Elves to even be in Middle Earth is discord among them, a prince called Feanor leading a bunch back to it from Tolkien heaven, while killing those who opposed him, and then his sons slaughtering others to gain three gemstones from the enemy - all while either ignoring Humans and Dwarves or using the former as cannon fodder. The Elves you see in the movies are the rare survivors who had thousands of years to expunge their pride and become more reasonable. And yet they still talk about how "for a sheep, all sheep are different", or "for me, you are like children", quotes from Gildor and Legolas respectively.

[@Distamorfin]

Necrontyr had nothing to do with the Old Ones until they asked for the secret to immortality and the Old Ones were like “lol nah”. Also I’m 99% sure that the Cratfworlds predate the Fall of the Eldar since they were made by the group that saw the decadence of the empire and wanted nothing to do with it. So they wouldn’t be made of Khaine’s bones or have really anything to do with Khaine.

[@CantusTropus]

In the pre-Fall days, Craftworlds were enormous merchant ships used for trade. They've just been grown to much larger sizes in the post-Fall era since they need to be the main population centres for the entire species.

[@jidk6565]

Ah The Eldars, as you put it The Diet Coke To the Dark Eldars very Early Coke, y'know, the kind with Coke... That was served to Kids

[@Damien_N]

Does that make the Ynnari regular coke, and the exodites that one failed coke with stevia?

[@spiral2754]

Wouldn't surprise me in the least if the dark eldar give their kids coke...it's very on brand for them

[@jidk6565]

@@Damien_N yes!

[@jidk6565]

@@spiral2754 they'll give your kids Coke, just enough to have painful and violent maybe possibly even deadly withdrawals

[@jidk6565]

@@Damien_N the pirates would also be that failed Coke Brand Mnt Dew

[@aarovit4257]

Eh I find them a big boring but they are fine, but not gonna lie saying that “elves are trapped with in Tolkien’s vision” while also being a dwarf fan is a bit hypocritical because dwarfs are always the same in every universe. At least with elves they have three forms of spice, dwarfs are dwarfs in every single universe they basically never change ever

[@timothybonsato3988]

Which is wrong btw. Tolkien's elves aren't massive dicks. That being said, eldar still suck ass

[@ginkiba3]

I can't help but feel that part of the Eldar hate I see a lot on the 40k community is that the Eldar have shit story and shit writing. Just look at how the Ynnari storyline went, what few books that go in -depth about the faction, and compare all that to the earliest snippets of lore. The Eldar were the OG ancient technologically advanced race with powers and abilities beyond that of every other faction, with an agenda that was poorly understood but clearly something on a massive scale. They were mysterious, aloof, but not necessarily hostile, and while they were cryptic, it was usually for some unspecified reason beyond "We're better than you so we won't tell you." Now with the Necrons and arguably some of the updates to the Space Marines, they're not that, they're just vagrant pointy-eared space Elves who just float through the void. They're not even the greatest psykers anymore. A lot what's made them unique has been shared with other factions or just dummied down, and don't even get me started on how they're shown in most BL literature. How many Avatars of Khaine have been defeated now? How many brutal assaults have happened on a Craftworld? How many battles were royally screwed by a faction who can predict and alter the future? It's just bad all around.

[@SeanCrosser]

Yeah the one that frustrated me the most was seeing Primaris marines be basically turned into Craftworld Aspect Warriors. Where it used to be Devastators in the back, Tactical in the middle, and Assault jumping forward, now they're: Tactical Squad of autorifles (like Guardians/Dire Avengers), Assault Squad of pistol and chainsword (Banshees), ambush attack squad (Scorpions), Hellblasters/Eradicators with full complement of plasma or Melta weapons (Reapers?Dragons?), quick strike dual-wielding Inceptors (Warp Spiders), jump pack heavy-cannon Vanguard Suppressors (Shadow Spectres). They're all a squad of single-weapon teams that all do specific things, a concept that the Eldar Aspect Warriors built its units around.

[@politicalpolarbear]

I will never forgive how Gav Thorpe screwed Eldar and put them on the path they are on today.

[@aordinaryperson8098]

I don't hate Xeno But I despise the Eldar with a burning passion

[@lucapoli4195]

Unknow salamander cit.?

[@michaelbaker8284]

Just don't like um

[@Ulysses-xl4pv]

Eldrad: Fulgrim Listen, Horus will betray the emperor. Fulgrim: I'm four parallel universes ahead of you.

[@ryuujin83]

I've played Eldar since 5th ed. And you're right, they have incredibly shitty writing. But I feel if you come out with a whole video criticizing them, you also have to come out with a hefty suggestion for a re-write that involves more than "Fire GW authors".

[@lightmetro7508]

That's GW's job lol

[@NicholasBrakespear]

Here's an idea - have them become practically extinct, instead of simply saying they're practically extinct and then having them show up literally everywhere. Then maybe properly play into their "farseeing" stuff; have them become seemingly insane, because they're trying to pluck at the strands of reality to shape/chase futures they've seen, resulting in actions and decisions that are seemingly deranged in the short-term, but end up actually leading to interesting victories in the long-run. Have them move through the galaxy as if they exist on a totally different timescale to the other races, fleeting in appearance but perpetual in influence. Have them talk... a lot less. Seriously, nothing ruins an "old and wise" character more than having them talk to much and revealing that the writer isn't sufficiently wise or talented to actually convey an old and wise character, and having them come across as a 13 year-old's idea of "the older generation". Basically kinda do the opposite of what GW have been doing for a long time.

[@scorpixel1866]

When you go to a restaurant and get served a burnt steak, the last thing you'd expect is for the waiter to ask you to go and see the cook in order to explain how to make it properly, they are supposed to bring you what you paid for. Why do "creatives" get to be so entitled to the wallet of their customers?

[@ryanlorenzo5003]

I really loved the old Craftworld Eldar art that depicted them as Fae whose thoughts seem ethereal in a world that has the Warp. But now we just have wackass High-Fantasy Scifi Ultimo-Generico Elves.

[@NicholasBrakespear]

That's the problem with GW, and has been for years - they can't leave anything alone. The optimal writing approach for the Eldar was to be inspired by the concept art - make them visually wondrous and mysterious... ...and then don't explain too much. Don't have them talk too much. Don't shatter the illusion. Just let them be mysterious and old and unknowable.

[@berilsevvalbekret772]

​@@NicholasBrakespearthey weren't ever unknowable though were they...

[@MasterIceyy]

@@NicholasBrakespear The old Ephrael Stern comic books depiction of the webway was great, just this crystal labyrinthine structure that was both impossibly wide, yet narrow, like it's dimensions were ever changing, and unknowable

[@Nevlamas]

Hot take: the (craftworld) Eldar are fully the good guys. They usually get blamed for three things: 1. Birthing Slaanesh 2. Being overly cryptic and arrogant 3. Being a dick to humans. But: 1. They didn't. The dark eldar did. Craftworld eldar are the ones that turned their back on their sinful society and left before Slaanesh was born because they saw it coming and sought to prevent it. Blaming craftworld eldar for Slaanesh is like blaming Vulkan for the Horus Heresy because 'humans committed the Horus Heresy'. 2. Why wouldn't they be? Things always go wrong in books and stories because it would be boring if the Eldar were portrayed as in control as they're supposed to be in lore, but if you're the only one who can straight-up see the future you've got a whole extra sense compared to anyone else, and they are supposed to be objectively wiser and infinitely more experienced than anybody else - they're just never portrayed that way. It's not arrogance not to explain everything you do to a blind, ten-year old child. You don't have *time* to explain a whole new perspective on life to those smooth brains. 3. That one gets me the most, because I feel like that's just human perspective kicking in. Most Warhammer fans are humans, so humans are just the 'us' faction and automatically assumed to be the protagonist. But imagine everything from the standpoint of the eldar: there's this young race, volatile, angry, extremely expansionist, and absolutely *hateful* towards anything that isn't them, including yourself. To the eldar, the only difference between humans and orcs is that humans actively and irrationally hate instead of just loving violence for its own sake. Humanity wants to see the eldar dead. Why should they be nice to people who want to kill them? The line "Eldar would gladly sacrifice a thousand humans to save a single eldar" as a way to show they're evil always had me raise an eyebrow. Your average human commissar would sacrifice a thousand humans to *kill* a single eldar, how is that better?

[@AYAKXSHI]

For the last sentence it’s the value of the life never forget the biggest advantage the imperium of man has is numbers and considering that they don’t value a individual life so a few 10,000 humans are nothing to imperium when a small hive world can have up to 6billion ppl n largest hive worlds have over a 100 billion also the codex make it to where those 10k soldiers are going to charge regardless

[@thomasbardoux1692]

The problem with writing geniuses and more than human intelligence in fiction, is that actually the intelligence of a character is limited by those of it's writer