Here's a question for you all! Are you TeamGandalfTheGrey or TeamGandalfTheWhite???
@jonasb1043 жыл бұрын
Rather the Grey to be around to, but I nonetheless realy like the White. It's just that we don't get to know him as well as the Grey.
@daddytummy7863 жыл бұрын
I feel like Grey listens more to his feelings and white listens more to logic so therefore I like Grey more
@holyarchangelmichael3 жыл бұрын
I like Gandalf the White more. Gandalf's return in the Fangorn Forest is one of my favorite moments of the LOTR series.
@estel53353 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@SageKronsell3 жыл бұрын
Cant really chose, but probably grey. Mostly because of all the things i regret that Tolkien never even sketched out in notes was some of Gandalf'ss adventures earlier in the age. Either before or just after the fall of the kings of Gondor. Was he involved in the ride of Eorl? Did he support the dwarfs during the war with the orcs? ETC ETC ETC Man i want to know.
@Cornerboy733 жыл бұрын
Gandalf isn't just a great character from the story, he's a literary legend. He's known everywhere and for good reason. Ian was magnificent in bringing him to life.
@jamesaron19673 жыл бұрын
Agreed, can't think of a better actor than Ian to play Gandalf. I have my issues with the movies but this isn't one of them. It was a brilliant choice.
@sweeperboy3 жыл бұрын
I agree. I knew LOTR long before the films came out and of course the wonderful illustrations of Galdalf that pre-existed the films; however, now when I picture Gandalf, I can only see Sir Ian's version - he *is* Gandalf to me now.
@Manuel-gu9ls3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely indeed
@paladro3 жыл бұрын
indeed sir, indeed...
@jamief12633 жыл бұрын
@@jamesaron1967 I agree, the film nerfed Gandalf, even made him a little less wise, in order to make Aragon look more important, however the parts that really count Ian McKellen did a fantastic job. The scene where he helps Bilbo give up the ring in the fellowship of the ring and the scene in an unexpected journey where he explains to Galadriel why he picked Bilbo for Thorin’s company are fantastically done.
@justinsmith91352 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: Christopher Lee once ran into Tolkien in a pub in Manchester where he secured Professor Tolkien’s promise that if the Lord of the Rings was ever made into a film that he could play Gandalf. Years later when he went to audition for the film it was with assumption that it was for Gandalf. Then an embarrassed Peter Jackson had to explain that, no, it was an audition for Saruman, leaving an awkward silence with the decidedly unhappy and imposing figure of Charlemagne’s descendant across the table….I sometimes wonder how amazing a Christopher Lee Gandalf would have been. But Sir Ian was still the correct choice
@TommyF794 ай бұрын
Christopher Lee has too menacing a look to play Gandalf. Fair play to Jackson, I think Count Dracula was perfect as Saruman
@kimcason87644 ай бұрын
Well he still got to Honour that Promise, he did play a Wizard, the Highest before he was Corrupted by the Darkside. So even if missing out on Gandalf. He was still a Fundamental part of the Movie. Promise kept, but that's just my point of View..! The Movie was About as Good as ever I thought Possible. Full credit to all the Cast. I still watch the Movie Often & with Great Glee..! Thx P.J. the worker of Great Magic..! As is this Site helping me get a Handle on the LOTR History..! Cheers All. 🦘😎 Hi to all from Oz. 🦘
@EthanHenderson-y7f3 ай бұрын
As amazing for gandalf as I think Christopher Lee would have been, no one could have played that role the way that Ian McKellen played him, just as no one could have played original White wizard the way that Christopher Lee did, all in all the perfect cast was chosen and couldn't have been chosen better
@wiz65873 ай бұрын
@@EthanHenderson-y7f yeah the planets really aligned for these movies damn
@deniceiscooking3 ай бұрын
@@justinsmith9135 back in the day, the role of Gandalf was being saved for Sean Connery.
@queentara24233 жыл бұрын
I didn’t have a grandfather growing up. When I was ten, (1983) my Dad brought me ‘The Hobbit’ and ‘Lord of the Ring’. Gandalf quickly became my idea of what a grandfather could be. When the Jackson version of LoTR was made, Ian brought my granddad to life in every was imaginable. I dread the day he passes. The world will mourn.
@philcooper92252 жыл бұрын
Celebrity worship, human worship, is a real issue.
@tobias064 Жыл бұрын
@@philcooper9225 Not human nor he want to be praised, maiar. Inform yourself.
@cody7812 Жыл бұрын
@@philcooper9225 Is it a real issue or is it some cringy shit people say when they want to feel edgy? Because most people don't even come close to celebrity worship I would even go as far as to say the worship of invisible beings and doing bad in their name is a bit more of a real problem... This dude tells a touching story of how as a child he imagined Gandalf in the book as a perfect grandfather figure then Ian brought that to life on screen and said he would be sad when he died. How in the world is that even close to celebrity worship did he say he had a Ian shrine with an entire room with his posters and toys. People just use words in whatever way they want any more with no real meaning nothing about this was celebrity worship there is a huge difference between liking celebrities or sports players and worshiping one obsessively... Being sad when a fellow human dies especially one with talents used to be empathy not some bull shit celebrity worship.
@philcooper9225 Жыл бұрын
@@cody7812 It's an enormous issue for sure Most people worship themselves and others
@lalalalauren91 Жыл бұрын
"The sea calls us home..."
@landofnirvana1184 Жыл бұрын
Gandalf was such a story defining character, that all the goosebump moments in the trilogy are staggering in number. Sir Ian McKellen embodied the immensity of the wizard so masterfully and perfectly
@grayphoenix21523 жыл бұрын
"So do all who lives to see such times but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with time that is given to us." This quote really helped me in my tough times. One of my most favourite quote of all time.
@mmpatriot21703 жыл бұрын
Yes. I often think about this statement and share it with others. Last time was two days ago.
@milztempelrowski92813 жыл бұрын
True courage is about knowing not when to take a life, but when to spare one.
@peterweller85832 жыл бұрын
An immortal quote to all mortals even till tomorrow and then the next great sunrise.
@EndingSimple2 жыл бұрын
helped me in tough times too.
@davemufcwhitehead28632 жыл бұрын
The best quote ever my friend
@richardthompson53633 жыл бұрын
I think Gandalf just wanted to talk with Tom about nature and the old days and other simple stuff like that. The things Tom would want to talk about. Gandalf spent 2000 years among beings significantly younger than himself who could never truly understand him, he just wanted to chat with someone that could.
@MattPMc3 жыл бұрын
Given that Tom's own experience with the One Ring was so insubstantial, I agree with you that Tom was likely a palate cleanser for Gandalf given how much time he spent in drama and war. It was a reset from all those ages fighting Sauron.
@WickedPrince3D2 жыл бұрын
And as they say "take a load off" now that the greatest fear was over. Getting to spend time talking mostly trivial things would have been very relaxing after CENTURIES of facing the fear of the rise of Sauron and what COULD have happened. Gandalf almost single-handedly saved the world. Everything that happened for the forces of Light was spurred on if not outright started by him.
@squigtonianmayhem46022 жыл бұрын
It's like going to your off-grid buddy's cabin up north. He doesn't watch the news. He doesn't know or care about what has been going on. Totally reset. Clear out the cobwebs. I know that 'Old Toby' is the finest in the South Farthing, but, I'm quite sure Tom and Goldberry's homegrown was more than adequate.
@tomcunningham93182 жыл бұрын
He had the hots for Goldberry.
@k.s.42092 жыл бұрын
It's called a debrief, probably about what he's learned from the experience and Gandalf's thoughts on Sauron re-imurging later on and what that may look like. I'm not as educated in LOTR as I should be but it says he was vanquished to shadow - not gone forever. Kinda wonder why illuvitar didn't just snuff him out.
@HPLOTRGOTfan3 жыл бұрын
Gandalf: “kindly to the young and simple” Also Gandalf: “Fool of a Took! Throw yourself in next time and rid us of your stupidity”
@donweatherwax93183 жыл бұрын
GANDALF: Do I contradict myself? Very well then, I contradict myself! I am Grey! I am White! I am large, I contain multitudes!
@HPLOTRGOTfan3 жыл бұрын
Maybe there was clause in that quote “kindly to the young and simple*” *excludes Peregrin Took
@Dalticier3 жыл бұрын
@@donweatherwax9318 Gandalf Whitman 😂
@gandalf24473 жыл бұрын
You would be disappointed too, if you had to put up with such foolishness
@teekay98863 жыл бұрын
Also, at the gates of Moria, trying to figure out the password, with no results: Pippin: "What are you going to do then?" Gandalf: "Knock your head against these doors, Peregrin Took! And if that does not shatter them, and I am allowed a little peace from foolish questions, I will try to find the opening words."
@izzyplusplusplus10042 жыл бұрын
I for one, would greatly enjoy a full length feature film with a Gandalf specific storyline.
@terrafate2 жыл бұрын
Don't tell amazon
@scottclark18392 жыл бұрын
@@terrafate No kidding...they would destroy it like everything else they've touched for the last few years. I will make an exception for Reacher. That was well done. Must have been a mistake.
@chichotwojay7402 жыл бұрын
I want the Peter Jackson films to be refilmed as either ten hour movies, or a series. But I want it word for word, scene for scene. The problem is the narration in the books. You can’t replicate that satisfactorily
@lauravonutassy19192 жыл бұрын
And who would play Gandalf now ???
@izzyplusplusplus10042 жыл бұрын
@@lauravonutassy1919 Elon Musk, ofc.
@johnlshilling14462 жыл бұрын
It's been long, and long again, since I've reread The Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings. And it's been a while since the movies.., so this video has been a true pleasure. I'm now an old man, and these characters are old friends. Tolkien was the best. Period. He was Gandalf. I've read fantasy and science fiction for over 50 years. One thing I've learned is that great characters, like those in these works, can only be manifested if the same character lives within the author. I hope to see him on the other side. 🙏
@yahhugo4 ай бұрын
you are truly a better version of our kind...GOD BLESS YOU SIR
@NuLiForm4 ай бұрын
Actually...fun fact. Tolkien himself believed he was Beren...and his wife was Luthien...so much so they had those names engraved on their tombstones...
@1974Asha3 жыл бұрын
I love that you use art in these videos of all kinds in these videos, they are all really beautiful and really add to the narrative. They are so inspiring to artists who have not picked up a paintbrush for a while, like myself!
@istari03 жыл бұрын
I always love hearing about Gandalf, my favorite character of all time.
@pedrocampos17873 жыл бұрын
Yep?
@OGdirty1Kanobi2 жыл бұрын
Gandalf is one of the most iconic characters not only in Tolkiens worlds and stories but in literature. Ian McKellen Is my favorite actor and he made Gandalf so believable that it's hard to see him as someone else at times.
@Manuel-gu9ls3 жыл бұрын
Bless Ian Mckellen for playing Gandalf he is a perfect choose to play the role....
@Mystikan3 жыл бұрын
Ian McKellen was great in the role I agree, although I do sometimes wonder what Sean Connery would have been like as Gandalf. Christopher Lee was definitely the perfect Saruman too.
@Mike-om4tv3 жыл бұрын
@@Mystikan Chris lee was amaaaazing
@djmcau3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. Even the dynamic between Ian and Christopher was perfect. Christopher wanted to and thought he should have played Gandalf. The slight jealousy towards Ian perfectly reflected the dynamic between Saruman and Gandalf. Both were perfect castings…. This is a great video by the way.
@hotbaconbap64853 жыл бұрын
Choice*
@fredsmith91523 жыл бұрын
@@djmcau i wish ian could play belgarath the sorcer on Eddings 10books malloria
@whateveryouwantittobe83033 жыл бұрын
I learned more about lord of the rings from this video than I did from all 3 movies
@sammakkotonttu3 жыл бұрын
Gandalf propably went to ask Tom ”what kind of being are you actually?” Because nobody knew. Even the Valar would be interested in this matter
@janthony7213 жыл бұрын
maybe he was Tolkien himself.
@TheBayzent3 жыл бұрын
"Like Ungoliant but not evil"
@americanwarrior46453 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure Tom is God Tolkien etc..
@traceythompson10923 жыл бұрын
@@americanwarrior4645 so Chuck?
@PetterssonRobin3 жыл бұрын
@@traceythompson1092 yep, just like Chuck in Supernatural. God dressing down, hiding in plain sight and being a total fool with a number of personality issues and insecurities lol
@TheoryMaK15-2553 жыл бұрын
WOW!! Excellent JOB!!! The Video Voice over Pictures Visual, Art, And Sorce Material, Was Superb!! Excellent Job Man Yor Explanation Was Perfect!! Well Done!
@TheBrokenSword3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! 😊
@TheoryMaK15-2553 жыл бұрын
@@TheBrokenSword Your Welcome!!
@mystique51132 жыл бұрын
I have never been more emotional about a review on a character. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
@thesandmancurtballirg43712 жыл бұрын
I'm very grateful for Gandalf's complete story from Olorin to end. It seemed a massive undertaking. But that's what you guys do, much to my delight. Thank you for this, Olorin's biography. I like to think Gandalf and Tom Bombadil got caught up in contemplating and discussing the mind of Eru Iluvatar, and all that had evolved in that time before they went West. Thank you, kindly.
@shaivayogi3 жыл бұрын
Wow. You guys have really stepped up your story telling! This was so well done that I nearly made some popcorn to go with it...well done indeed!
@TheBrokenSword3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!! 😁
@lukefranklin73633 жыл бұрын
@@TheBrokenSword LOL i actually had some:)
@carolynnunes39223 жыл бұрын
Ditto!
@mikeday82953 жыл бұрын
I had cheese and wine !!!
@annacostello51812 жыл бұрын
Pierogies and Baileys Irish cream
@RichTiger72 жыл бұрын
Gandalf has always been my favourite character, as well. It was wonderful to hear his full story. THANK YOU!!
@erik84493 жыл бұрын
Best in depth Gandalf video I’ve seen! Great work man! Always a joy to watch your videos :)
@TheBrokenSword3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! 😊
@shawnwales6963 жыл бұрын
I think Gandalf probably talked to Tom about a lot of things, for example, had Tom seen the Entwives and did he know where they went?
@christiner1686 ай бұрын
I surely wish that there was more about the entwives and what happened to them and the history of the Ents. I would have loved to hear their stories.😊
@SageKronsell3 жыл бұрын
Of all the things I regret that Tolkien never even sketched out in notes was some of Gandalf's adventures earlier in the age. Either before or just after the fall of the kings of Gondor. Was he involved in the ride of Eorl? Did he support the dwarfs during the war with the orcs? ETC ETC ETC Man I want to know.
@davelee37253 жыл бұрын
Dude the back story of Gandalf And Aragon both going alone threw moria by themselves
@kimmyibanez47473 жыл бұрын
Could you imagine what he could’ve accomplished if he just started writing decades earlier? All the stories… All the history.
@SageKronsell3 жыл бұрын
@@kimmyibanez4747 Ikr? If only he had begun in 1916
@kimmyibanez47473 жыл бұрын
@@SageKronsell sure. Why not even earlier? He was born in 1892 so… if he started by 18yrs old. The hobbit was published in 1937 but the lotr wasn’t published until almost 20 years later. But of course you have to take into account his time spent in the military and the wars.
@SageKronsell3 жыл бұрын
@@kimmyibanez4747 because you have to collect your thoughts into a coherent whole first. The fall of gondolin was written in 1916 and he died in 1973 without ever having turned the silmarillion into a functional novel. It can be argued that was never his point as having the first age as a kind of nebulous myth is very true to his inspiration. But you have to remember he didn't actually start thinking about the third age until 1938 earliest.
@freedragon30503 жыл бұрын
No matter how many times I hear or read the part with Gandalf fighting the Baalrog ever since my Dad read it to me as a eight year old way back in 1985 I still get goosebumps.
@teancum903 жыл бұрын
One correction I will make is that Gandalf's reluctance to enter the Mines of Moria in the movies was not what was actually in the book. In the book it was the direction he originally wanted to go and Aragorn was against it.
@turnerjazz78723 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing. I'm guessing they just forgot that detail.
@allenrussell19473 жыл бұрын
Glad you said this as I was about to. Gandalf's plan was always to go through Moria but agreed to try the mountains to appease Aragorn. Galdalf and Aragorn even debated it once more before actually mounting Cahadras. Only upon failing to cross the mountain did Aragorn agree to try Moria.
@keith67063 жыл бұрын
From a storytelling perspective, however, it makes sense: it's clear in the film that Gandalf knew about the balrog and really didn't want the Fellowship to have to face it, whereas the others were oblivious.
@allenrussell19473 жыл бұрын
@@keith6706 in the film perhaps but in the book Gandalf does not seem to know that there is an actual Balrog in Moria. Durin's Bane is not identified. Even Celeborn and Galadriel did not know that a Balrog inhabited Moria until the fellowship reached Lothorien and told them the story of Gandalf's fall.
@mordechai-3 жыл бұрын
@@turnerjazz7872 Or didn't care.
@AugieK2 жыл бұрын
Finally a video that does not assume viewers are aware of every convoluted piece of the story or a name, but presents the information in a clear manner without the need to pretentiously pronounce information with long pauses. Thanks
@LordCaric3 жыл бұрын
I think Gandalf gained a greater understanding of Tom's place in the world after his transition. When the Istari were first sent into Middle-Earth, their memories became distant-he knew he was once Maia, and he knew his old name (Olorin), but didn't remember a lot about his past. When he died, I believe Iluvatar restored much of his former memories and revealed more of his divine purpose. It's certainly possible that Gandalf learned a great deal about Tom and his place in the world. I imagine they talked about the war, the ring, and the defeat of Sauron, and what the future holds for the age of Men and Hobbits. As Tom was likely the last "angelic being" in Middle-Earth after the others left, Gandalf may have asked Tom to watch over the Hobbits for him.
@PetterssonRobin3 жыл бұрын
I think a few Maiar (or angelic beings) were still in Midgard even after Gandalf left. Radagast, up to four sleeping Balrogs and possibly the blue twin wizards stayed in Midgard.
@arthurchadwell9267 Жыл бұрын
Good point! Tom didn't go anywhere... He lingers still.
@DaisyHollowBooks3 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this. The art was fun to look at. I kept pausing just to admire it.
@ariesstorm95773 жыл бұрын
I personally believe that Gandalf spent those two years recounting his time on Middle-Earth as well as the events surrounding the One Ring. With Tom Bombadil “absorbing” his story to recount to others who would later write it down, until, over the ages, the story passed down into the mind of one J.R.R. Tolkien 😉
@johndododoe1411 Жыл бұрын
The books are very clear that they are English translations of the Red Book written by Bilbo, Frodo and Sam and kept in the towers in the western expansion of the Shire .
@jack6565 Жыл бұрын
I really like that. Made me smile.
@MartinGonzalez-ok6cu2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I really enjoyed this history of Gandalf. His origin was especially interesting, I knew he was sent to Middle Earth, but I didn't understand that he was oneof the Maia to begin with. A very dear character indeed.
@TimothyHuffGuitar3 жыл бұрын
I've always recommended to young people...You must read The Hobbit, then the Lord of the Rings, and thereafter the Similarian...these are the essentials. Then maybe the Children of Huran and some of the others like the Unfinished Tales. But the first 3 are essential reading for anyone who loves the movies, because the books are 10 times better and 10 times the content!!!
@Qatpaw3 жыл бұрын
I didn't even want to see the movies at first because I thought there was no way to put all the awesomeness of the books into a limited time frame like a film. I was happily wrong. The movies are wonderful in their own right and at the top of my all time favorite movies. And the books are and always will be the best I have ever read. Hmmm...is it time to read them again??
@NickGreyden3 жыл бұрын
I love to read and have struggled so many times with those books. Never made it further than a little ways into two towers. Just can cope with his writing style. It is why I love channels like thus because the lore is excellent... the writing.... not so much
@Chopchop073 жыл бұрын
@@NickGreyden try the audio books
@apex3d5953 жыл бұрын
I watched the movies first then read the books. Personally, I enjoyed that much more because I had faces to go with some of the characters. But I agree! The books are essential reading for sure!
@Benjy863 жыл бұрын
Kids nowadays have no interest in books, let alone the ability to grasp Tolkein's sheer brilliance! They only want instant gratification and most would never commit to a book more than 10 pages long. I read the books about 10 years before the movies came out. Tolkien gave me an once in a lifetime experience.
@ethy91863 жыл бұрын
Man.. there’s only so many shows (or movies) in existence that I could do with never ending. Thanks for this channel
@ernestschroeder97623 жыл бұрын
As for what he and bombadill would talk about, because of Tom's character, it would probably be light-hearted like two friends meeting after a war that one never knew and the other would rather forget.
@ShadowWizard1233 жыл бұрын
Tom Bombadil told Gandalf he had been trying to reach him about his car's extended warranty.
@mordechai-3 жыл бұрын
LOL!
@traceythompson10923 жыл бұрын
Yep. He calls me about mine at least twice a week.
@janskeet13823 жыл бұрын
Well Done Darling. This stuff needs to be grounded with a comment like that. There is too much Old Toby getting smoked here. 💨
@bravo3689003 жыл бұрын
Lol lol... ahhhh the old car's extended warranty comment never gets old! That shook me from my Tolkien stupor 👌 By the way... Do you know the way to Bell's Canyon? 🤭
@WickedPrince3D2 жыл бұрын
ROFL - something like 25% of my phone calls are about that. :D
@Picopunk33 жыл бұрын
According to the nature of middle earth olorin acted as one of the guardians over the elves that first awoke in Cuiviénen. The guy has seen it all.
@silasollegario3 жыл бұрын
Dude. As a Tolkien fan myself I say: this is definitely the BEST video about any Tolkien related subject I’ve ever seen.
@davicious89043 жыл бұрын
This was absolutely fantastic! 35min just flew by. Thank you for this video ❤
@ErnieProspero3 жыл бұрын
What I really found interesting about the Council of Elrond was the fact that the discussion over Tom Bombadil began with faint memories of a creature that walked a long time ago to the point even Elrond had forgotten about him. For such great power to be overlooked and even forgotten by one such as Elrond seems to be odd. Information about Tom was not forthcoming from the other members until it was suggested that the Ring be taken to him or even summoning him to the Council. And it was at that moment that Gandalf and Glorfindel (?) stepped in to vote down the idea. Its strange that only a few seems to have intimate knowledge of Tom when all others seems to have forgotten he existed. And I find the comment, "that he would only take the ring if all the free people of Middle Earth asked him", very similar to when Earendil went to seek the Valar's aid to fight Morgoth. All the Valars prayed for Eru's intervention and was granted at the cost of Beleriand disappearing from the map along with the defeat of Melkor. Was Gandalf's and Glorfindel's argument for his participation fueled by the fact that if Tom joined in the War of the Ring, it would have led to the destruction of Middle Earth again if the theory that Tom is Eru in physical form. Tom being Eru even becomes more plausible when after the War of the RIng, Gandalf decides to seek out the moss gatherer. Why him? If Tom is not interested in what happens outside the Old Forest, why would he want to hear about everything that happened during the War? Or was Gandalf there to report back? And their argument against his involvement is a big red herring. How many times did Gandalf visit the Shire and Bree? Could we assume that during those visits he went to the Old Forest and had meetings with Tom? Eru considered Mellkor's discord as part of the Music so intervention is unwarranted and I feel that he perceives the War of the Ring as the same. It is a part of the evolution of the Music of the Ainuir.
@phenom51643 жыл бұрын
This is a great comment. I also wondered how Gandalf really felt about Tom
@jhtsurvival3 жыл бұрын
If he thought The War of the Ring was interference than why wouldn't he think Melkors discord interference to begin with? I would not put Tom as Eru. I would just say he is some other sort of Maiar.
@brucebrantley56923 жыл бұрын
No way do I agree with this theory. Although I have read all of Tolkien's works on Middle Earth including the Unfinished Tales, where some of the stories differed from the Silmarillion, and it has been 30yrs since I read them, I just can't buy it. I know that Tolkien wrote a short story about Tom Bombadil before the most of his work on Middle Earth. I believe he put Tom in the work as an enigma, simply because he loved the character he created so much. Despite the many things I have tried to conclude about Tom, none of them eventually made any sense. I will say that Tom had a Maia for a wife, and that is the best evidence that he was not Eru. You mentioned the thought of summoning Tom to the council; I don't believe for a second, that he would ever acknowledge a summons of that anyone on the council would have the power to move him. It is odd, however, that you brought up a thought that I never had, and that is about the music. When people are trying to harmonize, they sometimes get offkey from one another from time to time; hence multiple recordings for songs, I now wonder if Tom could have been created by accidental disharmony. Of course, the answer will never be known. If anyone knew it, then it would be Christopher. And so, I thank you for something new to ponder. BTW Turin Turambar, and Beren and Luthien were my favorite stories of the Silmarillion.
@richardthompson53633 жыл бұрын
Sorry but Tom isn’t Illuvatar. Tolkien confirmed in one of his letters the there is no embodiment of Illuvatar in Middle Earth. Tom is simply Tom. He is. Beyond that the closest fit would be him being the embodiment of the Music of the Ainur or something like that.
@Mystikan3 жыл бұрын
My thought is that Tom Bombadil and Goldberry were of the Maiar of Yavanna, due to his close connection to the Old Forest, and his ability to command the Old Willow. There is also his implied connection to the Ents, who were also creations of Yavanna made to protect the forests from the depredations of Aule and his dwarves cutting wood. I suspect that he was a spirit sent to keep the Ents in check and balance against the dwarves. This is hinted at in the Silmarillion, during the discussion between Yavanna and Aule, where she tells him to let his dwarves beware, for there now walks in the forests a power whose wrath they will arouse at their peril. Aule replies laconically, that the dwarves nevertheless still had need of wood. Yavanna's servants characteristically had little to do with the peoples of Middle-Earth, being more concerned with the trees and animals that lived among them. Radagast, for example, was probably also a Maia of Yavanna (just as Gandalf was a Maia of Nienna), since he also had little to do with people, and I have sometimes speculated about a possible link, maybe even a brotherhood, between Tom Bombadil and Radagast the Brown. Therefore I think that the meetings between Tom and Gandalf would have had to do not so much with the events of people and their wars, but of the healing of the Earth and the disposition of the surviving Ents, and to finalise and clean up any loose ends in that arena before departing Middle-Earth. Since matters of the Earth and the trees have little bearing on the events of the Lord of the Rings, there was no need to include it in the narrative.
@Alex99710003 жыл бұрын
19:37 those are some awesome renders of the rings incredible detail and graphics.
@zachkelley66693 жыл бұрын
I think you did a wonderful job! Suggestion: Would you do this for the books? Chapter by chapter or something like it. I would very much be interested in hearing your summary! Great work!
@JohnSmith-bt3xh3 жыл бұрын
I think Gandalf and Tom Bombadil talked nothing more than things like food, weather and Gold-Berry. The grimmest things they talked about were propably rain and wind. After all, Tom doesn't really care such things as Sauron, easterlings, Mordor, or an army of the dead
@brianjtarr3 жыл бұрын
I think you’re right. They probably discussed things that were of interest to bombadil. Perhaps the changing scenery in Mirkwood/Greenwood. And, of course, the Ents.
@meduseldtales33833 жыл бұрын
Maybe, but Tom knew pretty much everything there was to know about the history of Eriador. He knew more about the history of the hobbits then hobbits themselves.
@JohnSmith-bt3xh3 жыл бұрын
@@meduseldtales3383 well, tom created hobbits after all, so...
@JohnSmith-bt3xh3 жыл бұрын
@JSkopezz think about it; the great spiders were the spawn of ungoliant, right? So that's just logical that hobbits are also some sort of doing of bombadil. Bombadil and hobbits both have their own territory etc. etc.
@skoatros3 жыл бұрын
@@JohnSmith-bt3xh well it fits with tom being completely unaffected by the ring and hobbits being less effected then any other race. their love of food, to live a peacefull life filled with green. think u might have a point here.
@GAcolo2163 жыл бұрын
I like to think that Tom is a Maia and I like to think that Gandalf knew it. Tolkien said in an essay that there is no embodiment of “the creator” in his works. So Tom isn’t Eru. His being doesn’t really fit with what we know about the Vala. He is also one of the oldest if not the oldest of beings in middle earth. Even saying he remembers the first rain drops. So I always liked the idea he was a Maia just being a happy little hermit. He carved out his own little slice of happiness and doesn’t go beyond it so the powers that be don’t really bother him.
@freddaniel50993 жыл бұрын
Definitely one of the BEST vids I have seen on any Middle-earth subject. Thank you!
@randitucker86413 жыл бұрын
Legit just binge watch all of your videos I'm in love
@sweeperboy3 жыл бұрын
I wonder if Gandalf went to talk with Tom Bombadil and Goldberry more as a debriefing and therapy session for him. After all the stress of the previous thousand years and especially the last few years in the War of the Ring, Gandalf probably wanted to unburden himself prior to the final trip to Valinor. The only person who there were absolutely no cares in the world was Tom Bombadil, and his little corner of the world was happy and joyous - the best place to go when needing mental therapy I suppose.
@truthhunterhawk39323 жыл бұрын
Does Tom still exist, or has he passed on now?
@k.s.42092 жыл бұрын
I think we could all use a Tom and Gandalf in our lives. They do exist, you just have to recognize when you meet them.
@huomapai2 жыл бұрын
Debriefing and therapy. I think that is a good angle. For Tom's singing had powers.
@MarleyFett2 жыл бұрын
As much as I adore these, it is amazing that I always learn and or remember things I might have forgot. It is also a joy to know others on how they experienced these stories or how they perceived it.
@Knight8603 жыл бұрын
I feel bad for Gwaihir, countless times he and the other eagles saved Gandalf's ass or came to the aid of our heroes at the 11th hour and he doesn't get any praise.
@jeannepadilla18602 жыл бұрын
The eagles never have looked for praise, they have always been good and wanted to play their part to save the world they also live in.
@NoxAtlas Жыл бұрын
The eagles were created by Manwe and Gandalf was sent to Middle Earth by Manwe. So it kind of makes sense that the eagles look out for him even if they don't have to.
@FrithonaHrududu021278 ай бұрын
Good point, they are vastly unsung.
@FrithonaHrududu021278 ай бұрын
@@NoxAtlas oh yeah.
@marsovac4 ай бұрын
It's because they were nowhere to be found when the ring needed to be tossed in mount doom, so the fellowship had to do it the hard way. They had one job... but showed up right at the end when it didn't matter anymore.
@joebroughton18613 жыл бұрын
I always saw Gandalf as a semblance or characterization of Odin, an old man dressed in grey with a hat that hid his face. Gandalf was an actual person of Norse mythology( a dwarf) . I loved the Gandalf in the books, but Ian brought him to life in a way that he will always be stamped in my memory of Gandalf. Great video.
@jonorragnarsson26823 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed you video. Its nice to hear your pronunciations Tolkien's languages. Very proper in my ears.
@M.E.McKinley3 жыл бұрын
I love these books so much. Read the hobbit like 5 times and the lord of the rings 3. The movies were amazing. I love this content and thank u for bringing it here for the old and new generation of Tolkien lore lovers to enjoy. Keep it up and I will definitely like and share every video
@1741876S3 жыл бұрын
Bruh this my first time goin in on LOTR lore. When I saw that tree, I was internally and physically screaming with all the information takin in all at once 😱💀 but nice video.
@2girly2 жыл бұрын
I love Gandalf. He is also my favorite. His character and wisdom is what I wish we all carry with us.
@Nat1videos3 жыл бұрын
This is awesome! Gandalf is such a fascinating character, what a legend.
@TheBrokenSword3 жыл бұрын
Hope you enjoyed :)
@TheBrokenSword3 жыл бұрын
Thank you :D
@WalkenDead3 жыл бұрын
I think Gandalf is the basis of every great guide/wizard that came after. One thing that doesn't get talked about often is the fortitude of the hobbits. Between Bilbo and Frodo they possessed the ring for about a century. Isildur had for a few days at best and was turned by it. Although both of the hobbits were in their way turned by the ring, it took much longer than a human who knew the consequence of his actions. This may be an unpopular opinion, but Elrond should have forcibly taken the ring from Isildur to destroy it
@astrophilsydenham8319 Жыл бұрын
Elrond couln't have taken it by force and destroyed it. No one could. That was Isildur's task on that particular day and he failed as well as Frodo did later. Gollum destroyed it accidentally and unwillingly when trying to save it for himself
@theseeker3771 Жыл бұрын
Elrond himself could even have been turned by it. Forcibly taking the ring.....that's kind of a bad start......and would no doubt have lead to one or both of their deaths.
@patiencet5183 Жыл бұрын
@@theseeker3771 Elrond the Great, ruler of middle earth. A force not even Gandalf could have matched. This was spoken of by Christopher Tolkien in the analogs of LOTR from the question on weather or not Tolkien had based his books off his experiences with world war 2. It was surmised that if he had (Based the books off WW2) then the forces of good would have used the ring to defeat Sauron and then became corrupted themselves.
@theseeker3771 Жыл бұрын
I doubt Isildur would have handed it over without a fight, and would probably have been slain by Elrond....
@reneedailey1696 Жыл бұрын
Isildur was the descendant of Elrond's long-lost twin Elros; He and Elros actively experienced what comes of kinslayings, so it would've been WILDLY out of character and incurring a curse, if he'd killed Isildur. Also, NO ONE could deny the Ring in the place where it was made- Not a Maia, nor Vala, not the noblest Elf or the strongest Man. Eru himself intervened in the final moments; As Tolkien himself said more or less, the author was st work there, and that author wasn't Tolkien himself.
@thomasd22063 жыл бұрын
Wow, thank u so much for taking the time to explain all of this. Of all the books I have read over the years these were the best. The fact you can explain them so well helps to understand what I have thought about all these years. I have reread them a few times and enjoyed them every time. Your videos are very good and the art work is fantastic too. Thank you so much. Great job all of you.
@fazooleq15233 жыл бұрын
Great video - loved it. One minor point: I seem to remember that Frodo is Bilbo's nephew not his "younger cousin".
@direbearcoat75514 ай бұрын
This was a great telling of Gandalf's legend. I really enjoyed it. Thank you!
@beneisen69823 жыл бұрын
The conversation between Tom and Gandalf likely depends on what Tom is. Going with the most likely of Tom being an anima mundi of sorts, they were likely talking about Gandalf's travels across Middle Earth as well as what protections they could employ to preserve Middle Earth now that the threat of Sauron had passed.
@raydavison42883 жыл бұрын
I like the theory that Tom was an avatar of Iluvatar who created.the Hobbits personally.
@morbhainwilks42373 жыл бұрын
@@raydavison4288 Tolkien confirmed in a letter that there was no physical manifestation of Iluvatar ever present in Middle Earth.
@smokinhalf2 жыл бұрын
Tom is good natured soul and goldberry was "River-woman's daughter" . nature is his home, his being, his "power" especially the forest he dwells in. I doubt he would come to a Counsel even if summoned. I think ole tom just wants to be left alone, he figures he is doing alright with the way he is living and waht he has got. I am curious if bombadil and goldberry have any children??
@jamestaylor38052 жыл бұрын
It would be more a trading of stories among those few who can truly understand the depths of those stories... imagine veterans trading stories times a thousand as this is immortals trading epics.
@JoseFernandez-mn6qt2 жыл бұрын
This was an amazing video! Greatly accurate and with fantastic story telling! Thanks for this!
@Huskytabby3 жыл бұрын
What-if video idea for you to do: What if Gandalf never fell at the Bridge of Khazad-dum and continued with the Fellowship to Lothlorien and forward?
@Enerdhil3 жыл бұрын
@Amanda 🌷🍀.! Two events needed Gandalf the White to be the saviour. You mentioned the first one about Theoden and the second was Gandalf saving Faramir's life by chasing away the fell beasts of the Nazgul.
@Enerdhil3 жыл бұрын
@Amanda 🌷🍀.! Gandalf sent Shadowfax back to Edoras before he encountered the Nazgul on Weathertop. If he is Gandalf the Grey and doesn't have the power to free Theoden's mind from Sauron's control, he won't be able to get Shadowfax back, which means he won't be able to ride off quickly to Minas Tirith and save Feanor.
@Enerdhil3 жыл бұрын
@Amanda 🌷🍀.! After about 20 minutes over researching the FotR I found the passage where Gandalf talks about sending Shadowfax back to Edoras. I was wrong about the time it happened. Gandalf didn't send Shadowfax back to Theoden BEFORE his encounter with the Nazgul on Weathertop, but after it, in the early morning the next day Gandalf escaped from Weathertop and headed north followed by four Nazguls. Because he knew he would have to travel through the Troll-fells going south, he released Shadowfax, who returned to Edoras. Anyway my point was that if Theoden is not healed by Gandalf the White, Gandalf never gets Shadowfax back and Rohan is destroyed by Saruman's orcs and Gondor falls. Gandalf the White is greater than Saruman the White.
@mordechai-3 жыл бұрын
@Amanda 🌷🍀.! There was no showdown between Gandalf and The Witch King of Angmar at Minas Tirith. That was an invention of the movie. It was also inaccurate, because there is no question that Gandalf was more powerful than him. He was a Maiar, the Witch King was a servant of a Maiar. What happened was they met at the gate, but both were called away. Gandalf was called away to save Faramir from Denethor's trying to burn him alive, and the Witch King was called away to face Theoden and Rohan. Well, in any case, the cock crowing called him away, I think. At any rate, the Darkness was breaking too soon, the book says.
@danielled86652 жыл бұрын
@@Enerdhil faramir not feanor; he would have been late indeed to save the maker of the Silmarils and founding member of the Feanorians.
@Habu122 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this! I’ve wanted a clear, concise and explicit history for a long time!
@Brithoa3 жыл бұрын
This is awesome!!! Do you mind sharing where the family tree type image seen at the start is from please?? Thank you
@Wallakazulum3 жыл бұрын
Search for genealogy of the Ainur and you should find the same image among others.
@bigsisdi22 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I’ve been trying to figure out Gandalf’s story for a long time!
@TheBrokenSword2 жыл бұрын
Hope this helped 😊
@JasonSmith-we5ls3 жыл бұрын
Damn this was good. Love these deep deep dives
@chrisjsoto3 жыл бұрын
Just not too deep or too greedily.
@earlofdoncaster50183 жыл бұрын
I think that Gandalf went to Tom to seek counsel about his mission to Middle Earth and found out that his days in Middle Earth were over and that his place was in Valinor. It took so long because of Tom's aversion to straight answers.
@ireneramos51192 жыл бұрын
From the bottom of my heart, thank you for taking the time to make this video. It was wonderfully done. I'm super excited to watch all your others.
@jwoowoo_3 жыл бұрын
You did such a great job explaining this great character. Thank you
@DixOutForHarambe Жыл бұрын
Never seen someone giving us such a high quality storytelling. Everything matches my expectations: The story itself, the pace, the visuals, the tone, a bit of speculation (If needed) but not too much that it Will affect the storytelling or the story itself. 10/10 would recommend this channel 🤙🏼
@paullebon323 Жыл бұрын
As far as I'm concerned, Gandalf knew where the ring was all along. He was engaged in a chess match with Sauron. He purposely removed Smaug and Durin's Bane from the board. He also engineered the breeding of Bilbo and Frodo in order to have a ring-bearer (he knew from Smeagol it could only be a hobbit) with the character of a Baggins but just enough fool-Took to run off on adventures.
@justforever963 ай бұрын
So in your theory Gandalfs was actually a reckless manipulator who just used his companions as his personal pawns in his game with Sauron? He created them just to use them as tools at their own great peril and expense, and led them into horrible danger on nothing more than his calculation that he could handle the Balrog and they wouldn't be killed and all lost in the fight? Sorry, I think I will stick with the character as written.
@theanc316ientone3 жыл бұрын
Nothing like a good story. Thanks for the in depth look on this character. Voting now, Gandolf most loved character.
@jasonwaltman35663 жыл бұрын
I imagine they spent a long while discussing proper recipes for mead and which town grows the best pipe weed.
@edejan2 жыл бұрын
What a wonderful compilation of information to fill out our knowledge of Gandalf's works. Thank you so much and please feel free to continue with these Middle Earth history lessons!!
@matthewanderson97543 жыл бұрын
Can we all just agree Sam is actually the true hero of this story? Lol
@jacquelenebennett40282 жыл бұрын
I agree Mathew. Sam's courage standing up against Longshanks, his devotion and care of Frodo, how he watched over him. I loved Sam in the book. If he had not been with Frodo, the ring would not have been destroyed.
@ishmaelforester9825 Жыл бұрын
He bows to noone. But Aragorn is still my favourite. Elendil!
@abhabh6896 Жыл бұрын
Gimly. He was just so fun and entertaining and cool. He is always like "Yeah, sign me up!"
@americansantacruz6080 Жыл бұрын
Yes. Tolkien confirms this.
@heebeejeebeez436 Жыл бұрын
Well, there is no I in teamwork 🧐 all of them played their part in this great success that was won. Melkor be praised 😈
@greggdavis3682 жыл бұрын
I agree - Gandalf is also my favorite character in the Lord of the Rings series. Thank you so much for your complete story of Gandalf. Very well done!!
@annaroselarsen42183 жыл бұрын
Gandalf will always be my gray wanderer!
@rick99770153 жыл бұрын
One of the first things I thought about when I heard of the LOTR books being turned into a movie was how ; well I HOPE THEY DON'T RUIN IT! After though was the Balrog and Gandalfs battle would look like. Sir Ian was perfectly cast in the role... actually everybody cast did an amazing job.
@DonBetong3 жыл бұрын
I will not watch Amazon‘s LOTR so I’m really glad that I can watch videos like this instead. Please keep producing them!
@davidlarson2423 жыл бұрын
I doubt Tom and Gandalf talked about anything worldly. Passing mention that Sauron was defeated may have been made. But that's all. Gandalf had to decompress from a long fight. Even wizards can get PTSD.
@michaelt.56723 жыл бұрын
Whether Mayar can is doubtful though. They've seen bigger things than Sauron, they literally fought his master after all.
@rejvaik003 жыл бұрын
That makes sense actually as Tolkien himself suffered from PTSD during his servitude in world war I And it took years for him to recover from his experiences So it makes sense that he would write a character which had such prominence in the story have to take a breather after such a stressful but at last completed long quest
@justforever963 ай бұрын
I always had the impression that he just went to have a nice talk about peaceful and relaxing topics now that he had leisure to do so for the first time in decades. He was in retirement finally, and his first action was to go have that long chat with Tom he always wanted to have.
@ThePoliScinut3 жыл бұрын
Knowing Tom and Gandalf, they shared stories and…well a good smoke. I’m definitely more Team Grey.
@jasonleveck85462 жыл бұрын
Awesome presentation and content. I love how well done and in depth all of this fascinating lore really is.!
@infiniteuniverse95283 жыл бұрын
The immortal wizard Gandalf has gone by many names over the millennia. Gandalf, Merlin, Utnapishtim and Jerry Garcia to name a few.
@andrieslouw25842 жыл бұрын
Zifnab, Pug,rasputin😉, the wizard of oz, maybe samuel of the bible...
@edejan2 жыл бұрын
😂😂❤❤
@patiencet5183 Жыл бұрын
And Fizban, Does anyone remember Fizban?
@arthurchadwell9267 Жыл бұрын
@@patiencet5183Yes! Fizban was the best.... "Feather" poof
@noamanpatel3784 Жыл бұрын
I wonder if the Arabic concept of Khidr is also Gandalf
@williamsmallwood7942 жыл бұрын
I have to say my friend I can tell this is indeed a labor of love for you. Your detail knowledge and story telling are near perfection...I love your stories and the musical score...you are a professional with the most important skill....passion...thank you for what you do for us fans
@GlorfindelofGondolin3 жыл бұрын
Once again, a fantastic video as always.
@JustBHappy Жыл бұрын
I have been a huge fan of Lord of the Rings series for 35 years. I just happened on this video and it was the best surprise ever!!! Thank You SO MUCH, I will definitely follow you and your other channels. 💯
@Xepent2 жыл бұрын
It's so sad thinking of the rage burning in Gandalf as he fought the Balrog. He was kind and wise, and the fury of a kind man is tragic to see.
@ryansauchuk72902 жыл бұрын
Since gandalf and the Balrog were originally the same type of being and said beings aided in the construction of the world he was basically fighting an old co-worker
@mariam.mayorga27712 жыл бұрын
Loved the full story. Thanks❤️ and the Art picked was lovely too. Gandalf is my absolute fav character to follow his ways of acting and managing challenges. And about the chat with Tom Bombadil I would presume they were planning how to heal or guard the Middle Earth once Gandalf and the elves were gone maybe? Tom might be a hidden protector and a really ancient one but he still does his part. So that’d be my guess. To be a guardian to what it’s left after the battles and War of the Ring of power. 😊
@UncleBildo3 жыл бұрын
Gandalf/Bombadil "conversation" was actually a rap battle, it was sick!
@Spthomas473 жыл бұрын
Bars, flow and cadence everyone should witness.
@adonaiblackwood3 жыл бұрын
You’re amazing. This video is awesome. I’m subbing to all the channels!
@dirtyhiggins54843 жыл бұрын
Bravo! Well done. I enjoyed this very much. Thank you.
@jubed3 жыл бұрын
This deserves way more views. What a brilliant video thanks
@TheBrokenSword3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much 😁
@NarutoJK-jh7tr3 жыл бұрын
What went down in the convo Gandalf: so Tom wtf are you. Tom: *explains it to him for 2years* Gandalf: leaves *confused* and not understanding a thing
@valorlesssaint13503 жыл бұрын
Gandalf reminds me a lot of my late grandfather. He would always give me wisdom when I was growing up. I miss him dearly.
@timgiraud75913 жыл бұрын
I recently gifted my copy of the children of Hurin to my grandson, who eagerly dug into it and the story of middle earth shall live on in the hearts and minds of the next generation
@missmehigan10 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for posting this video! I've wondered for years what the hell Gandolf was up to in his wanderings- now a lot of things make more sense!❤❤❤
@thebrandybuck3233 жыл бұрын
In a private fanfic I wrote, I suggested that Gandalf had told Tom at least how the Witch King perished by Eowyn and Merry
@radagastthefool66613 жыл бұрын
Tom would be glad his plans went well. Tom gave the barrows blades which gave them a chance when facing The Black captain. Blades is good when shirefolks go walking in dark places. This was one of the key elements i missed in the movies. The looong efforts of the dunedains against Angmar, Toms knowledge of this and giving marry the enchanted blade!
@andybradwin3 жыл бұрын
Such a captivating story! Thank you so much for your research and story telling!
@debrajabs95233 жыл бұрын
First time here. Would love to hear an audio version of the Simirilian (sp?) I am a slow reader but love Tolkien and C.S. Lewis.
@seriously.....3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video Broken Sword !! Ty so much was completely delightful!
@stephenwade55343 жыл бұрын
Interesting that every depiction of Saruman looks like Christopher Lee. I guess he really made the part his own lol