AXANAR: ORIGINS (PART TWO) The never to be made AXANAR feature-length STAR TREK Fan Film.

[@Ueberdoziz]

someone at cbs misread "sue" and "hire". i cannot explain this otherwise, this is fantastic.

[@amberyooper]

That space station is really stunning!

[@internetgas2020]

With the end of Disgracery and hopefully after how season 2 of Strange New Worlds ended, it will be going the way of the Dodo's as well. Would be a good time to approach the Axanar people and bring them into the fold. As long as there's NO studio interference, would be nice to get this movie made

[@EugenioAngueira]

Wow, that Starblase One design is absolutely gorgeous! A very nice update of the original Franz Joseph design and just an amazing thing to look at. Nicely done!

[@kevinmorthorst521]

Warch this while you can before CBS gets this pulled down.

[@xheralt]

Videos like this are what download extensions for browsers are made for...

[@DJonathanHayes76]

Awesome as awesome can only be.....you can tell when love and honor of a subject is key to a production.

[@thepicatrix3150]

I was really saddened and really disappointed that this will not be made. I remember when I first saw the Axanar on youtube. It looked brilliant the ship looked cool and I liked the preview felt like a real return to Star Trek and seeing Star Trek actors was truly amazing. Knowing that you were involved I know why

[@marcodavinci3150]

This looks SO amazing I need to know everything about this Axanar project! These shots are modern and so detailled but still have the Star Trek feel. Hoping you share more on this!!

[@transitengineer]

On You Tube type in Prelude to Axanar.

[@twilitezoner]

Thank you Rob and Tobias! What you have shown in these videos is better than anything CBS has accomplished with their projects.

[@loganholmberg2295]

Oh wow I love the combination of the Star trek Spacedock and the floating dry docks like the one the Enterprise sat in from the motion picture as Scotty fly Kirk up to the Enterprise. Bravo!

[@adambrown3918]

I just discovered your channel and did not know how much creativity was poured into making these scenes. THANK YOU SO MUCH! I wish I had your ability. I had such high hopes for Axanar to succeed at a time when STD( and later Picard ) continually failed true Star Trek fans with their nonsense and inconsistency. I look forward to watching more of your content. I'm now an official subscriber. 😀

[@THEBURNETTWORK]

Many thanks! Welcome aboard! Happy to have you!

[@theminutemanproject5501]

It's all Tobias. If you want to see Rob's creative ability ask him to post his video of Spock and Scully by the pool and then ask him why he's never done anything ever since. You can also do this if you have $300 per 10 seconds, a vision and Tobias's contact info.

[@dorfpomeranze]

Eyegasm, this just looks so great. Such AWESOME shots. This is how 2010 - 2020 Star Trek SHOULD have looked like. Good job, all of you. How come I've never heard of this great project before.

[@Rickh1234567]

late to the party, but I just got around to seeing all three parts of "The never to be made Axanar....." films. I am impressed on the great vision that you and Tobias had with respect to honoring the look of TOS but making the visual effects modern and unique. It is a shame that the vision you two had can't be fully realized. Beautiful effects!

[@SFMFreak]

That station is gorgeous! Shame CBS put the breaks on this project.

[@akeel_1701]

CSB are assholes, of course, they should have hired Alec and the whole team Axanar - rather than the Kurtzman Abominations they're inflicting on us

[@vasyear]

he tried to illigaly make money out of star trek breaking copyright laws its well within their rights to cut his nuts off

[@BrennaUrbangirl]

@@vasyear The problem is they didn't stop with Axanar, but went after everyone. They put out fan film guidelines that pretty much did away with anything not released by CBS or Paramount. Did you like Star Trek Continues or New Voyages? Under the fan film guidelines those fan productions would never have existed if made now. Under the fan film guidelines you are now limited to one 30 minute movie or 2 15 minute episodes. That's it, you cant make anything else once you have done that.

[@vasyear]

@@BrennaUrbangirl well what do you expect, for years they were allowing it basicly saying "don't make money and we're good" and then some self entitled asshole says "i'm making money out of it" and they quite rightly say "oh, hell no" "we've been good to you now you want to piss in our soup, get the F out and as for the rest of you, we're going to bring in these rules you ain't going to f with us again!" to its entirly justified!

[@TrestanSKYWALKR]

You guys were not playing around!

[@transitengineer]

This is Excellent. It reminds me of a cross between the Star Trek Deep Space Nine Space Station and the automated repair space station in Star Trek Enterprise which, would take one member of the crew as payment for each repair.

[@Knight121198]

could never understand why they didint take the station as salvage. Imagine building more advanced NX clas ships at a rate of 1 every 10 days or so, mind boggling.

[@kwebb121765]

Such a shame we'll never see this project as it was originally intended.

[@sleepingbackbone7581]

Final version of space station blew me away. I was NOT prepared for that much awesomeness. Goodness...that thing is gorgeous...

[@freelancenerd4804]

It would of been awesome to see this. What a fantastic effort! 🖖🏼

[@Andromeda4482]

I'm literally speachless seeing these VFX reels.

[@finalfrontier]

OH WOW! That Starbase was superb and such an in-universe design

[@gbpackers5578]

So AMAZING Rob!! Thanks for sharing some of your ‘kid in a candystore’ moments!! Cheers! 🍻🤣🛸🚀

[@davidinvenio3094]

RMB your work and your vision are absolutely fabulous - AS ALWAYS - you & Tobias are an incredible team. It's such a shame that we have to see it in this way, but THANK YOU for sharing it just the same. I understand and have followed this pitiful Alec Peters situation, he has proven what he's about in the past couple years. But surely there has to be some OTHER way to bring your work out in full capacity? Can't you do a fan prod without Axanar? I can't help but think you would be a great writer as well as director, and you have the best looking graphics work from Tobias. I know I'm not the only one willing to put actual money into a project just to get something that's not STD or STP (or anything remotely related to Abrams or Kurtzner, or Goldsman for that matter).

[@NALurking]

Starbases is Stunning as you said. Love it!

[@mattmettaljus]

Incredible quality and attention to detail, very cinematic

[@davidalexander2007]

That is absolutely monumental! That is incredible!!!!! Tobias did a fantastic job and you framed it well!!!!!!

[@JasonHendry22]

wow and sucessfully looks like classic star trek evolving. great job

[@jamiethomas18]

Thank you. The beauty passes on the fantastic station are reminiscent of the Motion Picture beauty passes on the Enterprise. Great collaboration between you and Tobias! LLAP

[@dbdeets]

That looks like a busy Space Station. 😎😍

[@bobdionne4625]

It's a good thing that Axanar didn't get released. That would have embarrassed CBS/Paramount/Bad Robot into making quality entertainment for free. Whew

[@KCKingdomCreateGreatTrekAgain]

never trust a company with bad in their name to make good trek!

[@IchigoKurosakicool]

eh, Paramount made and makes amazing movies though.

[@TheVaan1]

Beautiful.

[@mikedignum1868]

Reminds me a bit of DS9..I LIKE IT!

[@shaundaly1134]

Fantastic.

[@boydmerriman]

We are very sorry you didn't get to finish it as well. I'm sure if anyone of us got the entire franchise, we would immediately sign you on to finish this project!

[@phlaelym]

There's a rumor running around the internet that Seth McFarlane is interested in acquiring the rights to Star Trek. If he does we might actually get Axanar. Fingers crossed.

[@Vulturefist]

phlaelym: Your comment made me wonder why you think that McFarlane would he give the go ahead on this project i he did acquire the rights? Did he say something about that somewhere, or are you just speculating? I sure as hell hope you are right, but sadly the kind of business transaction involving the rights to Star Trek can’t be cheap, so I guess he’d like to get as much of the money back of this investement, and sadly, that’s usually were this kind of projects gets squashed. But I really hope you are right, I really do...

[@Captain_Razor_88]

@@Vulturefist Seth made his own star trek fan production back when he was a kid, things like Axanar would be his passion, I could totally see him allowing Axanar to progress and if it did as well as anticipated, hire the team responsible to continue to produce content the franchise deserves while financially justifying his investment in purchasing Star Trek. It would be a double win for Seth. Let's face it, if Seth had license to do as he wished and hired personnel that are truly passionate and knowledgeable about the franchise, we would pay out of our ears to keep the ball rolling. It would be a literal "Shut up and take our money!" powerplay on Seth's part. Plus given how Seth did Orville with its down to earth tone and showcase of mankinds efforts to be better than they are without becoming 'holier than thou' he could breath new life into the prime timeline without turning it into a preach feast or a doom and gloom scenario as we currently see in STD and STP.

[@pferreira1983]

Not going to happen yet since Kurtzman is producer on the franchise for the next three or so years.

[@lokisgodhi]

@@Captain_Razor_88 A new owner like McFarlane might be amenable to licensing top tier projects like Axanar for profit. Axanar might be profitable as an actual theatrical or straight to video release.

[@BronzeAgeBryon]

Rob, any chance Emma Watts would ever take another look at this, especially these animatics for consideration? All CBS would need to ACTUALLY do is peruse the comments for ANY of these videos and see what the fans want.

[@patrickturner6878]

Like Disney and Star Wars, they aren't interested in the old fan base. They want the woke generation and couldn't care less if anyone watches them that isn't woke.

[@THEBURNETTWORK]

I'd tell Emma Watts to look at the STAR TREK: THE BEGINNING screenplay. And then call me in for a meeting!

[@lokisgodhi]

@@patrickturner6878 The problem is the old fan base are Boomers and Generation Xers. Who are aging and don't buy most of the licensed merchandise. Their target market are Generation Z and younger Millennials, who religiously consume licensed merchandise and movies.

[@patrickturner6878]

@@lokisgodhi But that generation is supposed to be the smartest, most educated and blessed generation in history. Why does all their entertainment require dumbing down compared to what came before? There isn't even a basic attempt at nuance or thinking. It's just straight up value signaling with no real content.

[@lokisgodhi]

@@patrickturner6878 "But that generation is supposed to be the smartest, most educated and blessed generation in history." Bwahhahahaha! You're joking right? Millennials and Generation Yers are very closed minded and cannot accept anything outside of their beliefs and frame of reference. Hollywood panders to that be cause they think that will maximize their profits.

[@ChrisS-no3ft]

THIS is how modern Trek should look! It should look like it takes place before Kirk. The only thing I would change is the lighting. Its a bit too dark, and still reminds me a little bit of Discovery and Picard. The ships are so dark, you can't even see what they look like. This would be a HUGE improvement from what we're getting. However, I would raise the lighting a little, and add a bit more ambient light to the models. I know you're not going to really have ambient lighting in space, but for dramatic purposes, you want to see the ships well. Look at Wrath of Khan or Undiscovered Country. The ships are more evenly lit, and you can tell who's who, and what's going on. Plus, it would provide continuity to the "look" of the canon universe. Other than the lighting, I think it looks amazing! Now, I wonder how much it cost to do all these effects shots? To me, they're cinema-quality, and I think fans would accept it on the big screen. Would it be possible to make a feature-length Star trek movie for, say $50-60 million? We don't need expensive ILM, if Tobias Richter is capable of this level of work.

[@TheMichaelStott]

I understand how much you guys love Star Trek but If this type of imagination could go into something original you would never have to bow down to anyone😊

[@KCKingdomCreateGreatTrekAgain]

you said it was to be 3 miles wide I was wondering if you had any other size info?? like how high overall and how high for the main section (minus the antenna and whatever those other things are below)???? how many decks??? how high is the docking ring and those 6 extendable ports????

[@sigmacademy]

My issues with the starbase design: a) the "tanks" below - it offers a very juicy target for any enemy ship to start attacking those things as their initial strike. b) how would the shielding and weaponry systems work on the lower part of the starbase - the top part has a totally open fire arcs (with the limitation of not being able to shoot "down", but the bottom part of the station has the long antenna and some tiny rings that not only provides obstacles to any line of sight targeting and firing, but could lead to both losing target lock and/or hitting parts of the station itself. c) the placement of magazines - I take it the starbase is equipped with torpedos and phaser banks. It would not be on the outer ring, so I'm going to have assume it is on places like the inner ring, or even the core of the station itself. Which begs the question - where would one locate potentially dangerous sections of the station, where it neither poses any significant risk to any station personnel, and is remote enough so that nobody can gain easy access to it? d) Thinking of this design, I'm thinking the spire is perhaps the weakest point - might be part of a functional design, but it allows for easy destruction, as even a glancing hit can still damage it significantly. We know the Klingon weaponry can deal a lot of damage rather quickly on Federation shielding, so building any kind of slender architecture seems like just asking for trouble. The bulk of the station at least has mass and multiple sections like the ring section which can block an incoming torpedo or phaser beam (momentarily). e) Would the station itself be equipped with anti-intruder technology? If a fleet were to attack the station, having boarding parties sabotage key components on the station itself help to further destroy the station much quicker and help prevent ship losses stacking up on the Klingon side, not to mention Klingon warriors just beaming in, dropping an explosive charge (or simply beaming them in), can cause more damage and harm parallel to a normal ship-based attack. I'm taking my inspiration from the Voyager episode where they beamed a torpedo onto a Borg vessel, but it would make sense that the warrior culture of Klingons would have specialized tactics for dealing with stationary, high-value, high threat targets like starbases. 05:40. Those starships might be able to use their weapons systems while in those drydock facilities, but could they raise their shields independently within those facilities, or would they be covered by the starbase's shielding, or could they be used as layered defense - using the starbase's shielding as a primary defense, and the starships own shielding as a secondary shielding, with the starships functioning as sort of additional "weapons points", complementing the offensive capability of the starbase? Although, considering those drydocks are pretty much encasing the starships, it kinda offers limited/flimsy cover but also restricts the starships' own point defense capabilities? :/

[@jonnywyattgreengreen3301]

Always interested what starbase 1 looked like before star trek 3 , l like love the video so much .everything about The Axanar l have deep passion ❤

[@good_teanice_house6789]

Amazing!

[@seanhejnal246]

Now I feel like I've lost something that can't be replaced. Bastards!

[@davidhart9460]

This is how big DS9 should have been. Fantastic.

[@Scyllax]

The Official Star Trek shit lost me after 2005. The last season of “Enterprise” indicated what the whole series should have been.

[@DWNicolo]

Love, love, love, these posts.

[@DavidOlver]

i love the station

[@alexoftheway8169]

Another great piece of work. I wonder, if CBS got a load of signitures asking them to hire you guys to produce this would they listen if they knew that there was a big apetite out there to see this thing made?

[@cobaltblue1975]

To this day I can't get my head around how CBS didn't see the pot of gold sitting right before them. They could have hired these guys and made something stunning. Instead, we got Space Shrooms, a ship design that was rejected in the 70's, giant inter-dimensional tardigrades, and weird looking Klingons.

[@darthgamer2014]

Gotta love that behind the rivalry between Star Wars and Star Trek, there is ILM. Which helped create both franchises

[@infango]

Part One is gone ?

[@marcodavinci3150]

I wanna see part 1!

[@marks47]

It's there... has a date of Aug. 18 on it...

[@RamblingRodeo]

Interesting these concepts also remind me of DS9, from a certain perspective. Wow, that model is fantastic and just beautiful

[@slagit]

Amazing work!

[@reubenmorris487]

Are all these fan film creators (Star Trek and Star Wars) building Resumes to get on with these major producers? They seem to really need your help. My compliments.

[@DarthPlato]

As a sci-fi fan in general and of Star Trek in particular, it is a real punch in the gut that Axanar got shut down, all the while real fans are being feed this awful parody in the form of Discovery. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the current legal status of Axanar may change in the future, so please keep all of this work. And, perhaps, polish it even more.

[@quatz1981]

6:52 that shot is very reminiscent of the shot in Star Trek VI when Kirk and crew are approaching spacedock in a shuttlecraft.

[@joshgregory3102]

Reminds me of the opening of DS9. Would of been amazing.

[@pferreira1983]

The visual effects still look better than what modern Trek has been doing.

[@lymancopps5957]

I like the Deep Space 9 ship docking.

[@KCKingdomCreateGreatTrekAgain]

I kinda geek out on station and ship models/toy replicas and layouts and deck plans. I hope there will be a model or toy of the Starbase one from Axanar and some deck plans or general layout info with specs. if you know people or have any pull I hope you can make this happen. eagle moss makes good toy replicas. Paul Wilson I tried to email this to the email on your site for mike but it bounced back.

[@Aegis030]

Your idea on a quick maintenance and go is pretty imaginative. These are not cars, they get an oil change in 20min and on its way. These are ships bigger than the largest bldg on earth. It either needs maintenance and resupply or it doesn't. If it does it's going to get docked for weeks if not months.

[@DanielMartinez-lz3ot]

the only people not sorry are the C.B.S. and Paramount studio exec's.

[@astratiger1]

It's a shame this did not get produced, I think it would have been stunning.

[@gotellbossc4t-vb9hz]

I'd watch these samples over Discovery all day long.

[@landrion7]

I have an idea maybe CBS should hire you to complete axanar as a pilot and after run a four years war series

[@julius-stark]

Is it possible to just re-write the script into an original property and make it? I feel like this is a cool enough story that you could make it its own thing even though we all would know it's supposed to be Star Trek kinda like The Orville.

[@loganholmberg2295]

Rob if you haven't picked it up yet the Spacedock mole from Eaglemoss is amazing. You should check it out. Got it to sit beside my XL refit Enterprise. Completely out of scale with each other but I still love it.

[@THEBURNETTWORK]

Oh...I have the Eaglemoss Spacedock!!!

[@loganholmberg2295]

@@THEBURNETTWORK thought you would.😅 Makes me want to get a light up version if I ever find one. I also need to break down and get their XL Reliant one of these days. I know like the XL version of the refit Enterprise there are some inacuraces (just not as bad😅) but once you get one of their xls in your hands man they are nice My only wish now is that Eaglemoss did an XL of the Andy Probert Enterprise C prototype. There are some serious QC issues on the regular release but dear god I love the design of that ship. The CG redo of the ship for the anual calender is gorgeous. It really does feel like the proper ship to build the gap between the B and D.

[@eddiethompson1326]

How can we help make this real? I watched all these videos, i'd pay MORE to make it happen and pay again to watch it. Can we sue CBS or something?

[@r.connor9280]

Hopefully a newer better (perhaps original) project will be inspired by Axanar. Tough Luck man keep it up

[@IRMentat]

What’s the phrase? “It’s better to ask for forgiveness than for permission”. Usually said by the people who get away with it. A shame that Axanar became feature creep: the hiatus episode.

[@paulpatton5994]

We are told that intellectual property encourages creativity by ensuring the supposed necessary financial rewards. Star Trek fan fiction provides clear evidence of the falsity of this claim. Star Trek fans working on Axanar, Star Trek Continues, and Star Trek Phase II produced excellent content that was highly creative, beautiful, and faithful to Star Trek cannon; all for the love of Star Trek and without the supposed necessary profit motive. Driven by the profit motive, CBS used its copyrights to shut down this creativity and produce crap. All of this should remind us of another theme of Star Trek-- that a mature, advanced society progresses beyond capitalism.

[@lokisgodhi]

Very Deep Space Nine/Terok Nor.

[@anon5252]

Just...wow. CBS needs to start hiring people like you to sort Star Trek out into what it should have become, rather than the cesspit it has become. The same goes for Star Wars (although that was always going to die once Disney got its paws on it, let's face it).

[@baron7755]

why not finish it and put it out there?

[@darong6852]

Im so confused.. i thought all this legality crap was dealt with and CBS is allowing Axanar to go ahead under certain conditions?" ...what happened?

[@Ol-T1864]

Man this is great. Honestly makes me hate modern Star Trek and the studio so much.

[@ironwarmonger]

I do not think that the 1975 Star Trek Technical Manual, which was the bases for a game that later, with a new Author became Star Fleet Battles, is in any way shape or form Star Trek Cannon.

[@THEBURNETTWORK]

It’s not, but when it came out, IT WAS!

[@miafillene4396]

Exactly. And don't even get started on FASA's Star Trek RPG.

[@ironwarmonger]

@@miafillene4396 True, and it was the restrictions of canon that made FASA drop the game.

[@miafillene4396]

Beautiful ship designs though. Although there were plenty of lemons. And you can tell that TNG got a lot of inspiration from those. Just wish they gave credit.

[@allanfifield8256]

1:56 It looks like a frisibee.

[@teecon569]

Now its not going to be made? I thought the aggreement was for 2 x 20 min episodes

[@Je1St2]

I think what’s really sad here is the lack of foresight CBS has with the future of visual entertainment. These types of visual effects are just going to get better and better until the art of creating video entertainment falls into the hands of the audience and the big corporations become obsolete because they couldn’t adapt. You see that pattern exist in almost every industry. If the major studios are going to survive in the future, they should find a way to embrace this type of creativity. But, no. Let’s just revamp past cancelled shows due to lack of creativity and innovation.

[@christopherchance4860]

"it looks dated" yes, that was the whole point before more overwhelming filler in each frame, and ships that looked like they belong in a JJ film rather than TOS era

[@cong1sena2]

Yes what a shame that paramount is SO Greedy this could have worked out Great for all fans.

[@20somthingdrifter11]

If CBS was smart... which given the "new" star trek shows I can surmise they clearly aren't, they would have taken axinar on as an official project, this would have gotten fans to sign up for CBS streaming services, discovery just made fans gag.

[@BaronFeydRautha]

Maybe don't work with thieves next project.

[@leonardclarke3930]

Is this Film really dead?The Axanar KZbin channel seems to be going strong!?

[@THEBURNETTWORK]

Axanar hasn’t produced anything in five years...

[@tychomonolith9998]

Instead we have Discovery, Picard and Lower Decks - there is no justice!

[@Ministry_Of_Silly_Walks]

Fan fiction would help CBS. Now everyone just hates them

[@ShineyFX]

I was really excited for Anaxar. Shame, real shame

[@Surja9393]

I would have much rather have seen Axanar than anything " Woke Trek" has to offer.

[@Surja9393]

It's not about $ per se as that Roddenberry's vision is a threat to the corporate media agenda. Plain and simple.

[@lokisgodhi]

@@Surja9393 Baloney. It's about money. It's always about money. CBS/Paramount think their version of Trek is the most profitable. That free fan made productions dilutes their ability to maximize profit from their product.

[@Surja9393]

@@lokisgodhi More likeley they are afraid that the "fans" would produce a better and more popular product, with them, the owners, "holding the intellectual property bag". From that perspective, it's just "good business" to legally suppress such creativity. I say so much for the "virtues of intellectual property". It is so ironic that it was almost the entire point, originally regarding Star Trek: That is, to cast a spotlight on the illogic of such "institutions" as intellectual property.

[@jackau08]

F CBS, F Alex Curseman. Why I have the feeling It looked a bit inspired by DS9?

[@eltonrista3243]

Considering you have the whole script and roadmap for this movie, why not change all the Star Trek pertaining stuff and treat it as space movie with your own federation of planets and an adversary like the Klingons. That way the effort doesn’t go wasted and a beautiful space movie gets made, which obviously the jealous incompetent CBS is incapable off. Who knows you may start your own space saga, and following , you obviously have the talent and brainpower. Just a thought

[@felipecintron3401]

it's a shame that CBS would rather bury this in a lawsuit because they fear it would destroy their all acess singups for that garbage they put out and call star trek on that garbage online service

[@nimrath]

Instead we got Star Trek Diversity and Picard...

[@roguetrooper5288]

I don't get it, Netflix and CBS spent millions per episode on Disco only to produce cheap looking FX. And you guys produce these amazing visuals on a limited fan budget? I'd rather have seen this!

[@THEBURNETTWORK]

CG VFX are all about design.

[@HUBBABUBBADOOPYDOOP]

You say and emphasize "HUGE" and say *3 miles* across? 3 miles in space is tiny, comparatively. When I think of "Star Base" I envision a repurposed asteroid, or a meaty, defensible 100 mile wide _BASE_ covered with dishes, turrets, and launchers for small, "viper-like" defense craft. No spokes, they are easily cut & the "pod" is lost. I'd think of a Deathstar/Cylon baseship. At this timeline- you need things to be more "military" (I would, anyway).

[@jutau]

Wait, so it's not happening? Nooooo

[@RubenStim]

The reason CBS sued you is because the other people working on the other movies where scared they might lose their jobs to you.

[@mkdrivingzone]

Shame Abrahams or Tarantino couldn't have gotten behind this.

[@xheralt]

JJ: What? No lens flares? I'm out! QT: What? Minimal physical mayhem? Zero gore? I'm out!

[@mkdrivingzone]

@@xheralt Like Disney used to remind JJ "these aren't the lens flares you are looking for." each day on editing. If a major director got behind the project, no disrespect to those involved ready, because they have the actors, the script, the effects but get someone who the studio couldn't say no to involved, to produce it for example and there you go. Is baffling that a project with this amount of support and work put into it gets stopped by the studio's for what? They will only gain from it so what's the problem.

[@goshen574]

The guy who wrote axanar is still plugging away on KZbin as if he’s really going to ever do the movie....I would rather he come out and actually say he’s not going to do it, at least there would be closure, last time I visited his KZbin channel he was auctioning stuff not even Star Trek related, I don’t even know where the money was going....sad day

[@TheWardog1701]

It's a shame you are not working on current star trek projects you have a better hand on what star trek is to fans . The kalven time line killed trek. And I will not even go into discovery. Sorry man it would have been cool