Diversity Of Thought

[@hisamimatsubara9295]

I believe I am the first Japanese listener and loving the channel already, as an expat living in India for 4 years, thank you for sharing all the helpful resources stories I want to keep learning about India,

[@hisamimatsubara9295]

I wanted to have a membership but I was rejected because of my Japense credit card .. I will give it a try again

[@blackmarala]

Thats is so cool, happy you find this interesting.

[@thehumanoid6543]

@@hisamimatsubara9295 wouldn't a credit car work round the world as long as it's visa/mastercard?

[@sinlokemp]

@@thehumanoid6543may be it’s not set for international online transaction or payment.

[@khosrowanushirwan7591]

Hi, if you don't mind me asking about how did yiu find this channel and get interested in Indian discourse?

[@ironman-mk9wd]

So great to see AIM doing whole podcast without smoking once.

[@navneet5546]

Yesss

[@NISHUGARVU]

What's AIM

[@NISHUGARVU]

@@navneet5546 what is AIM

[@Ranjan_Mohanty]

@@NISHUGARVU Abhijit Iyer Mitra

[@health_ness]

Maybe because of Dr. Ranga’s heart condition

[@MrKreinen]

​Im an international viewer & I loved your American "jokes." They're poignant jokes, and the nation deserves it. Fascinating, insightful, & hilarious. Great show:)

[@Blazee2897]

How did you come across this channel? Just curious.

[@MrKreinen]

@@Blazee2897 well, I was raised in an Advaita sant mat ashram community in the US, and though we weren't Indian, or "hindu" (so to speak), consciousness centered practice, & the "wisdoms of the Gurus"/Upanishads were central to my childhood "home-culture". Since my parents died I've been "tuning in" to Prem Rawat's Satsang more and more to help me get a sense of clarity; And I've been turning into "Vedanta NY," and Swami Sarvapryananda's Upanishads talks, as well as listening to & talking with others like Swami Charan of ISKCON; While I've never been one for group-think, tribal identities, nationalism, or even (personally) ethnic identity, and I haven't often appreciated community as much; But more & more I'm growing to appreciate talking with people who's world views appreciate the same kinds of images and conceptions of maturity, and wisdom as my own. Naturally, that includes valuing a "Diversity of Thought":D I probably went looking for a channel like this, but it's also possible that KZbin has finally decided to label me "hindu" based on my saved videos, and suggested the show based on that.

[@PHALANGE1931]

@@MrKreinen Oh wow thats interesting, that u went out searching for something theology related and u got to hear something which is political related

[@MrKreinen]

@@PHALANGE1931 well, that's just the reason I'd have cross-over. For example, after Swami Charan talked so lovingly about RRR I had to watch it, then I had to watch some smart reviews of it :D Then theirs a kind of entanglement of religious identity and a certain corner of society's national or ethnic, and certainly political identity. In 'Merica/USA (if you haven't seen the puppet movie "Team America," the potty humor in it is rather extreme), Christianity, and Conservatism are almost inseparable categories with the Right Wing containing a venn-diagram overlap group of Christian White Nationalists which happens to have been heavily supported by most of the American protestant churches, if not currently, and openly, then in decades past.

[@PHALANGE1931]

@@MrKreinen true

[@SN-dw2od]

For someone as well read as these people are.. Their knowledge on the Ekalavya issue looks limited to reading some Wikipedia page Here are few important facts.. 1) Drona asked for Ekalavya's thumb and he just got it.. Why did Ekalavya comply? Drona asked for Gurudakshina from Ekalavya which he could not refuse.. 2) Was Drona the Guru of Ekalavya? Ekalavya learnt from Dronacharya covertly when he was training the Kuru princes (Kauravas and Pandavas). So what Drona did was essentially and effectively a copyright strike. 3) Why Drona did not teach Ekalavya? Drona was exclusively contracted by Bheeshma to be teacher to the Kuru princes in the Hastinapur palace premices. He could not include any gatecrasher aspirants.. And the most important fact above all 4) Who was Ekalavya? Ekalavya was the son of the Commander of Jarasandha's army who was the king of Magadha one of the biggest and most strongest kingdom in Bharatha during that time..He was NOT A TRIBAL just because this incident took place in a forest,,

[@shikhar2054]

Copyright strike? Suppose someone is teaching mathematics at school and a boy learns it by sitting far from the class. Would you call it stealing? He learned some basic info and practiced all by himself. Whole incident shows the greatness of eklavya who did not even hesitate to gave his thumb. Drona made a good political decision but was morally wrong.

[@SN-dw2od]

@@shikhar2054 stealing is wrong .. morally, ethically or legally however one might look at it.. .. one should not do it..

[@Rotterandy]

Thank you was saying this. I was also a bit surprised when they discussed this. Any one can shoot an arrow with a bow , but it is the technique which makes you stand out. Dronacharya was focussed on teaching the technique and not how to shoot with a bow and arrow. What Eklavya did was an intelectual property theft.

[@prateekkumarpanda8856]

Exactly.. the same thoughts when none of them raised this point... may be they have not read the original version or the critical edition.

[@prateekkumarpanda8856]

Eklavya was the adopted son of a tribal chief of nishada tribe but a priviledge lot... indicating tribal mobility...

[@amitkrmajumdar3633]

Anand is Mr. Reality as he gives a hard reality check 😅🙏

[@YeshwanthReddy]

We need more conversations like this

[@kiranmaddu8006]

Yes well said 2022 we are sulking about the interpretations of fictional stories - one of the reasons why we still don’t have to see a world class university in top 100 ranks

[@notorious_biggie]

​​​@@kiranmaddu8006 India had world renowned Taxila, Nalanda, Vikramshila, Pushpahiri etc etc. to name a few in her golden period before your forefathers came to invade/loot us

[@NTIS-DHARMIK]

​@@notorious_biggieyea we had amazing universities. So what's your point. Instead of focusing on the past focus on future

[@siddarth3955]

​@@NTIS-DHARMIKsure but why call it fictional without facts?

[@siddarth3955]

​@@kiranmaddu8006what fictional? Y'all will go to any heights to self immolate.

[@ankithooda1536]

Anand, to my surprise, is the most intelligent AND knowledgeable person in the crowd.

[@suryasen7]

Looks like Anand was shocked at the level of confident asininity on display by the others.

[@millennialmind9507]

@@amoghavarshanripatunga he is mocking leftist

[@RAHULKUMAR-rf3gb]

​@@amoghavarshanripatunga can't you understand sarcasm😢 he is mocking Aryan invasion theory

[@Iamrsb_A]

Anand is the smartest...and abhijeet is the idiotic.....

[@anon7641]

Why surprised? He is well informed on most things and always factual.

[@theonlypandamonium]

00:02 Theme: Diversity of Thought 04:36 The speaker defines themselves as Ethiopian, discusses Gandhi's misconceptions about caste, and praises Ambedkar's progressive views. 09:08 Caste and class hierarchies exist in all societies 11:51 Diversity of thought is complex and not black and white 16:49 Societal norms impact occupation-based acceptance in society. 19:11 Division of labor is natural in societies 23:18 Misunderstanding of Varna in post-hoc analysis 26:39 Core texts do not support hereditary basis for community mapping 31:30 Respecting interpretations without imposing opinions 34:02 Dronacharya's act of asking for Eklavia's thumb 38:53 Diversity of thought in interpreting an epic story. 41:19 The Mahabharata offers diverse interpretations 47:39 Gandhi's evolving views on caste and leadership in a divided society 49:31 Gandhi's evolving views on caste issues 54:02 RSS is not associated with casteism. 56:11 Internal diversity in Hinduism 1:00:21 Challenging literalist view of scriptures 1:03:46 Atheism and agnosticism in the context of doubting the existence of God. 1:09:09 Definition of identity through rituals and beliefs 1:12:11 Respecting family deity rituals and traditions. 1:15:57 Discussion on faith and skepticism 1:17:58 Debate on the historical date of Mahabharata 1:23:17 Influence of diverse theories on religious practices 1:25:59 Avoid falling for a deliberate dichotomy trap 1:32:07 Archaeology reveals forgotten historical figures 1:34:53 Discussion on duplicity in actions and reactions 1:40:14 Discussion on cultural differences and perspectives 00:00 Embracing diversity of thought fosters innovation

[@guptautsav]

AIM made a nice Dog lover analogy... It was absolutely un-Abrahamic

[@nobudget2547]

Couldnt understand that ? What was that?

[@shu830]

@@nobudget2547 basically showing an example of how we can completely twist the meaning and nerrative of ANYTHING. Based on what AIM said Dronacharya must have been pissed because he was a dog lover (which is not true but the nerrative created here). The dog lover thing is showing us we can take a text and change its meaning with with a wrong interpretation. The text remains the same but it will have drastically different interpretations of it.

[@guptautsav]

@@shu830 well said... Since we cannot have the perspective of the person or the time they lived in, we can only assume a lot of the choices they made and assume the reasonings behind those choices... The fact is, certain thing happened, and no matter how fancy we twist it, there are always dark and divine motives behind same event...

[@findit.12]

@@shu830 not a dog lover but there are different reasons of doing that to him by dronacharya

[@shu830]

@@findit.12 Lmao no shit

[@MB-it6bp]

What a conversation, superb , will be waiting for this kind of conversations in near future.

[@gpatwar]

I love analysis of Harsh. He is has immense clarity of thought

[@annandbhagat]

My grandfather came to Mumbai from Surat while my mom's family is based in Aurangabad Maharashtra. So I am a proud Mumbaikar with a warm connect with Gujarat as well as rural Aurangabad. I did my BSc in Jesuit Institution while my Master's in Mgmt was done in a trust run by a minority board. I have a students temperament towards theology as well as sanatan dharma yet I acknowledge having experienced divine energies. Reacting only and only to the point made about the butchers or tanners not allowed in certain Japanese household in 17th minute of the video. I don't know the background of this custom. But belonging to the traditionally persistent worshipping family who carry out seva at the household temple everyday. They are particular about cleanliness by design and they are vegetarians. Understandably Tanners and Butchers are exposed to not just animals but animals in major distress as well as their body parts and fluids. Some animals even may be unknowingly diseased. It is only scientific to disallow them from entering your house unless if you know that they have cleaned themselves properly when they are at your doorstep for delivery. I would hang out with them outside their work environment. I do not advocate animal farming at industrial scale.

[@siddarth3955]

Not just Japan but it was apparently true even in ancient Rome. There are records that public bath houses were either prohibited for menial labourers or they had separate basic bath houses allotted for them which wasn't lavish as it was for normal citizens. Caste as such existed in every society. The only reason it didn't become as extreme as India has an incredible reason for it, one was the incredible population that India always supported. Like for most of the history India always had the largest population of the world, was it due to Varna or did it make varna more stricter is to be debated but in every other ancient society once population exploded, it always went through a phase of plague or famine like situation that eliminated almost half their population as well as almost depleted their resources making almost everyone equal which almost never occured in India. The second reason is that India never had a problem of slavery. Most of the world societies like Europe or even ancient times like Greek or Rome or Persia had huge slave populations who substituted for menial tasks as well as people to look down upon. In almost all these societies the slave population was almost equal in number if not more than actual free citizens. Rome actually had only 1/3rd of its population as free citizens. So the free citizens did not look down upon one another or force them to take up a specific task. Though they also had a stratified society. None of the ancient societies had free mobility. Every one of them was stratified at birth. The bible and quran itself says a slave should obey his master unconditionally. Social mobility was only possible in warring societies where pillage and loot was a norm. There it was survival of the fittest. Even in Rome a low born citizen could go up in social hierarchy if he enlists in the army and proves his might or somehow survives for 30 years after which he could retire with fair compensation and some land and also position in public office, the probability of which was almost nil like most perished in wars.

[@debuch73]

A great great podcast..... In the end Ranganathan Sir finally did nail it, when he said, "mai to thapar ki na............!" 😄😄👍👍👍👍👍👍🙏😊🙏 we are all with him in this "Sadhu" effort of his! 🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗😄😄😄👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@swatigola8881]

Absolutely loving this discussion on Varnas. Looking forward to more of such intellectual yet engaging discourse. On another note my favourite people. Have you come across the work of Swami Deepankar, who for last 58 days has been going to villages and getting people to pledge 'Pehle Rashtra, baad mein caste'. So he is actually getting all Sanatanis in villages to come together as Hindus and give up the caste. I think we must support and pledge the same.

[@Ishfyk]

Lol what bout them , Who use caste certificate to get admission in colleges? Will they give up? Or burn thier certificate for muh rashtra?

[@dineshsharma6125]

things will happen slowly don't jump at any one who tries

[@Ishfyk]

@@dineshsharma6125 lol try what? To remove caste? Jati/varna? Why?

[@uniqueone4277]

@@Ishfyk jab certificate nahi the to kya caste nahi thi kya

[@iicyifu0]

@@Ishfyk bro this will also end if you respect then think that all Hindus are casteless and same

[@user-hb9yy6lt6o]

Always feel happy when see Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj picture at first. Once you come to Maharashtra you become Shivray bhakta.

[@pramod_p5]

39:20 Yo, this has an even more straightforward explanation. Bheeshma had requested Dronacharya, to teach only Kauravas and Pandavas and make them the absolute best in their field of knowledge. Dronacharya requested to teach just Ashwathama, his own son, as an exception to the rule, to which Bheeshma agreed. So when Ekalavya called Dronacharya his guru (teacher), that would be a breach of contract with the royal family. Maybe his request to Ekalavya was just his way of saving himself.

[@HimanshuKumar-gs7cx]

Also eklavya was not some tribal kid, he was son of senapati of magadh, who were enemy of hastinapur, the things guru drona was teaching kauravas and pandavas was important to national security of hastinapur, he didn't want enemy nation to know such powerful knowledge. Kind of like jet engine technology of USA is heavily guarded and they never provide or teach this technology just to any country like that

[@thehawkseye3412]

Eklavya was born to Devashrava son of Sursen and real brother of Vasudeva and Kunti. But Devashrava abandoned him and later was adopted by nishad tribe leader, Hiranyadhanus. This means he was cousins to Pandavas, Kauravas, Karna, Lord Krishna and Sisupal. Drona had his own ambition too. He was too poor to afford milk for his kid and other children made fun of him. He did get insulted and mocked by Drupad when he asked his help. Afterwards his actions to move Hastinapur were calculated. Krip, was teacher of the Kuru princes. His sister Kirpi was Drona's wife. He came to brother in law and stalked the princes from a distance- found an opportunity to show off his skills and get noticed by Bheeshma. He practically stole the job from his brother in law. Drona was talented but Krip was his host and brother in law... anyway. Drona trained princes and Pandvas paid him back by avenging him by defeating Drupad. Dronacharya was determined to keep his place in the court. Good and talented teachers do like talented kids - there is a kind of satisfaction in mentoring such a talent. That's how Arjun made his way in with Drona. However Arjun was still a Kuru prince and his direct student. Eklavya , talented as he was, his loyalties were elsewhere. Arjun being jealous alone might not have been enough to act, but Drona would ensure his place as royal teacher of Kurus.

[@jp-jb1bw]

@@thehawkseye3412 from the days of manual archery to present day jet propulsion technology, only a few things remain constant- ego, revenge and one-upmanship....

[@thehawkseye3412]

@@jp-jb1bw That's what keep Mahabharat relevant. It covers all sorts of universal tropes, the actions and consequences and lessons.

[@saupi5256]

That's y even though bheeshma and dronacharya were great personalities at that time they aren't so much remembered..because ultimately as per Krishna dharma is the greatest cause .not family not foe not friend but what's right is right..the dharma way ....these people couldn't differentiate between duty to family friends and dharma ...

[@mukulpal8875]

In the Hindu epic Mahabharata, Ekalavya is a young prince of the Nishadha, Ekalavya was the adopted son of Hiranyadhanus, the chief of Nishadha, who found the former when he had been abandoned as an infant by Krishna's uncle and aunt.

[@jp-jb1bw]

Ekalavya abandoned as an infant by Krishna's uncle and aunt! This I did not know. Revelation.

[@OnkarShrma]

Well listening these four together was a biggest treat for us. Keep doing this at least once in a month on any topic. 👍👍

[@saanj223]

Wake up morning at 6.30 and find postcast saying 5 hour ago, and I was like "ये कब हुआ" Like to see all 4 of you in upcoming podcasts Thank 🙏

[@jnarayan11]

So many of my preconceived notions around Hinduism and Buddhism or what it is to be a Hindu have been shattered after this. I’m here for the revival of what it means to be an Indian.

[@nk2.049]

Brilliant! Woke up today and saw this notification. And enjoyed every minute of this podcast!

[@Nitish_Kumar09]

Trust me, I love the debate, topic. And I really find these thing very interesting. By the way, you four are too funny at the same time. Salute to all of you. Its been days, watched this serious and interesting debate❤❤❤

[@revenantwolzart]

1:28:34 Brought tears to my eyes

[@saikatdeb2463]

40:50 yes the teachear of karna was parshuram second i think dronacharya didnot teach eklavya becuase he was realated to jarasand who was against the kingdom in which dronacharya was a teachear becuase he was the rajya guru like India will not give his nuclear secrets to a sciencetist from pakistan similarly Dhronacharya didnt wanted to give his teaching to eklavya and it is a misinformation that dronacharya didnt teach people from lower cast he did and eklavya is not even lower cast very few people know he is cousin of Sri Krishna

[@ashishpandey8537]

True bro eklavya was son of the chief army commander of jarasandhs army but this fact was really get whitewashed😢

[@TarunSharma-pl1gn]

I am watching this podcast much later i.e. after 7 months from when it was telecasted. I wish I was part of it when it was live. I am happy that there is something that I know more than the four of you i.e. the stories of Eklavya and Karna. You all four don't know many of the aspects of the stories of Eklavya and Karna like Eklavya's father was a commander of the army of Jarasandh i.e. he was not a person from a humble background. Parshuram did not teach anybody except Brahmins, he had taken a vow. Karna had actually studied under Dronacharya but decided to go to Parshuram because Dronacharya did not want to teach him the knowledge of Brahmastra because he was not ready for it.

[@praani1]

As for the varna, my interpretation is, every ideal man is the balanced combination of all the varnas. The ideal man must use his brain, shoulders, thighs and legs to make himself, his family and his society better all the time and fulfill his Swadharma.

[@urjitsimha3211]

Thank you for this amazing session!!😃😃

[@kramachandran4292]

The content was absolute gold man. I will be craving for more such podcasts with the 4 of you in the future

[@harmindersinghyadav9171]

Such a deep & entertaining discussion.

[@amitshanbhag2383]

Great conversation, more of such talks needed

[@praveenrai6965]

This is fun to watch and such interactions are very welcome. Although, to understand the vast space of our sacred texts, shAstras, smritis... one needs to acquire "samnvaya sAmarthya" in order to deal with all the contradictory vAkyas that befuddles the superficial reader who is simply reading some translated work to quench his intellectual curiosity. One gets the adhikAra to explain what our various texts have to say only after undergoing rigorous brahmacarya while engaging in VedAbhyAsa under the tutelage of proven acharya (otherwise, just as these guys were talking about BG 9:32 where it is implied that "sthri" is looked down upon by the society while we know how Hindu society is full of reverence for feminine divinity; proclamations like "nAri nArayaNi" etc. will confuse us)

[@abhishekchakraborty63]

This is the best podcast i have seen in a long time. Thankyou for this 🙏🙏

[@panthpatel4870]

first i laughed at abhijit for thinking Dronacharya is a dog lover, but then i realised later in Mahabharata (just before war) when Barbareek (Arjun son) was going to show his skills he showed by piercing leaves of tree (instead of shooting at animals or humans), & i also remember, in those days student is taught weapon based on there mental conscious such as bow&arrow is taught to person with highest conscious, then spear, then sward, and last mace. this was because person with higher conscious can will use weapon consciously so provide them weapon with more damage capabilities

[@arpitpatel5814]

This was a blast 💥 I thoroughly enjoyed it🙂 Love you all🥰 Jai Hind 🙏🏻🇮🇳🙏🏻

[@TRY_]

Correction AIM sir, Karana didn’t know he was a “Kshatriya” and presented himself to “Parashurama” as a sailor/fisherman’s son. Parashurama had a “dislike” towards kshatrya’s specifically the ruling class and when he found out because the scorpion biting incident went on to curse Karana that he’d forget everything that Parashurama had taught him when he needed it the most.

[@Amdp35]

Karana presented himself as brahmin to Parshuram

[@aayushhh95]

Heck of a conversation 🔥👌🏽

[@ViralKothawale]

Golden words - Hinduism never believes in a finality of an argument..

[@vivekmishra69]

Wow such a beautiful conversation! ❤️ Have been hearing them separately but listening together is more eye opening and fun. Thanks for sharing!

[@ytskt]

Love these guys! It was a treat. Thank you!

[@prakhardwivedi3820]

Iyyengar supremacy is at its peak! 😎😎

[@shivendra2811]

Only missing thing is JSD's pov. Would have covered probably entire spectrum of RW.

[@jamjoe7111]

Amazing conversation just wow! More such convos, very insightful

[@samayturki]

As Rahul Gandhi would have said, "Mazaa aaya".

[@AkashRaj-wk3ix]

R.I.P rahul gandhi , he was truly there for indians , i cant say about the current murderer

[@verylowendgamers7426]

rahul gandhi tumhare dimag me he mene mar dia use

[@divyanshjain03]

Please do this session again with same ppl. It was really amazing to listen to.

[@amanj3051]

KUSHAL,pls INVITE Sudhanshu Trivedi in these type of debates.....I know he is bjp but he is quite unhinged with political views when we discuss ideas n history... It will make the podcast RICHER...

[@dineshsharma6125]

He is great at polemics but not quite good at one to one discussion

[@amanj3051]

@@dineshsharma6125 What exactly you r referring to?

[@vidyahegde80]

Anand Ranganathan is a Rockstar

[@nikhilrajput7689]

This is my multiverse of madnes!!!✨✨

[@Dheeru_Singh]

Excellent discussion 🙏❤️👍

[@rhitamgoswami9127]

Best episode ever. Amazing insights and really funny

[@mukulpal8875]

Dharma is moral duty/moral law which sustains civilized society ........Dharmic/Hindu is a person who believes in dharma......

[@goodman9585]

What an incredible discussion with legendary people.

[@saktirout5156]

This podcast was very interesting, educative, and funny at the same time.

[@kumarrohitsingh1480]

That's why I feel fortunate enough that I born in that culture where we can decent on same line with different perspective without being beheaded or stoned till death.

[@logicalhermit6570]

Anand sir and abhijit ji in a single frame, damn man, my eyes popped out.

[@mrshadowcool174]

1:08:06 Don't care about caste, but since he used this card here, how can he be a Brahmin when his biological father was a Kayastha & step-father was a Dalit?!

[@brutalcombatant5355]

😂Chill it was a joke yaar

[@biswajeetdassh9305]

Need more conversations like this😍😍😍👌👌

[@DankKnight007]

Just to make the Karna episode clear to everyone. Yes it was Parashurama who cursed Karna for pretending to be a Brahmana to become his disciple. Parashurama was a Brahmana and his father was killed by an evil king. He vowed to wipe out the kshatriya clan from earth and did so for 21 generations. He was clearly pissed off with Kshatriyas and after knowing Karna to be one, he cursed him.

[@joiyer154]

I think Abhijit was giving Harsh a culture shock with his language lawl

[@sauravnarayan2294]

Missed opportunity to get all the minds in one frame but what a amazing video

[@lakshyabhardwaj9541]

the best line is form harsh, "we should not fall in the dichotomy trap". That's the most essential thing.

[@biswajeetdassh9305]

Exciting discussion 👍👍👍💥❤️🔥 Wish you all the best

[@ashketchum9369]

Nice discussion

[@viroh123]

one of the bessstttt podcasts..... thoroughly entertaining, informative and love the extemporaneous discussion 💯👌👏👏👏

[@krishsrivastava7159]

I very much enjoyed the conversation

[@cosmikyogi2514]

Excellent podcast, this is the type of debate is what makes Bharat great. We need such debates in Indian Universities, young people need to be exposed to such conversations to understand ourselves & Bharat's place in the world.

[@subhamborkotokyce5592]

Ekalvya was not Shudra

[@suryasen7]

Truth does not matter to this bunch.

[@taranjitkaur3277]

My my my ... Visited this place first time ... AIM fan - keep chasing him every where - This adda is too good ...

[@mukulpal8875]

manusmriti 10:65=शूद्रो ब्राह्मणतामेति ब्राह्मणश्चैति शूद्रताम् । क्षत्रियाज् जातमेवं तु विद्याद् वैश्यात् तथैव च ॥ ६५ ॥ śūdro brāhmaṇatāmeti brāhmaṇaścaiti śūdratām | kṣatriyāj jātamevaṃ tu vidyād vaiśyāt tathaiva ca || 65 || The Śūdra attains the position of the Brāhmaṇa and the Brāhmaṇa sinks to the position of the Śūdra; the same should be understood to be the case with the offspring of the Kṣatriya or of the vaiśya. “जो शूद्रकुल में उत्पन्न होके ब्राह्मण, क्षत्रिय और वैश्य के समान गुण, कर्म, स्वभाव वाला हो तो वह शूद्र ब्राह्मण, क्षत्रिय और वैश्य हो जाय, वैसे ही जो ब्राह्मण, क्षत्रिय और वैश्यकुल में उत्पन्न हुआ हो और उसके गुण कर्म स्वभाव शूद्र के सदृश हो तो वह शूद्र हो जाये, वैसे क्षत्रिय, वैश्य के कुल में उत्पन्न होके ब्राह्मण वा ...

[@preshitx]

Read the preceding verse as well for context dont take things out of context : Manusmriti 10.64: If the child born from a Śūdra woman to a Brāhmaṇa goes on being wedded to a superior person,-the inferior attains the superior caste, within the seventh generation.-(64) Here they are talking about change of Varna of a Parivaar/family and their Kula/lineage by Anuloma Marriage i.e. when a Varna-Sanakara i.e child born from Brahmin man and Sudra women especially the girl child according to commentaries , marries a boy of a superior varna and then their daughter does the same and this is repeated for 7 generations then the family attains the superior Varna... Medathithi commentary : The offspring here referred to (though mentioned by a masculine noun) stands for the child in general, just as in the case of such assertions as ‘garbhe gṛhṇāṭi,’ ‘gorbhe jātaḥ’ and so forth. The sense of the verse thus comes to be this:-‘A maiden born from a Śūdra woman to a Brāhmaṇa father,-if she is ‘wedded to’-acquires the capacity for bearing children, by becoming conjoined in wedlock to-a person of a superior caste i.e., the Brāhmaṇa,-and the girl born of this maiden is again married to a Brāhmaṇa,-and this goes on for seven generations, then in the seventh generation, the child that is born becomes a regular Brāhmaṇa.’

[@KarthikDevendran4U]

Mazaaa Aa gaya

[@mukulpal8875]

Bhagavad Gita: Chapter 18, Verse 41,The duties of the Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, and Shudras-are distributed according to their qualities, in accordance with their guṇas (and not by birth).

[@shikhar2054]

Ha par follow koi nahi karta yeh. Jo society me hoga log usse hi sach mante hai. Jab marriage k baat aati hai to yeh sab shlok bhul jate hain log.

[@mukulpal8875]

@@shikhar2054 yes, you are correct this is why no one should criticize Hinduism...instead of burning Manu smriti ....government and jai Bhim people must start learning and bread the massage of krishna..... and Gita should be used for fighting this evil caste system ..hare Krishna......

[@preshitx]

Wrong translation..."not by birth" part is not there in original sanskrit text..Thats your addition...Gunas are inherited from parents and Karma of past life decides the family in which the child is born in this life -Chandogya Upanishad 5.10.7

[@mukulpal8875]

@@preshitx so you are saying ,varna is decided by birth......not by the actions/karma performed in this life....

[@preshitx]

@@mukulpal8875 @Mukul Pal I am telling you the perspective of shastras and of traditional scholars who wrote Bhashyas on the texts and highlighting the mistake in your translation which you can cross check (Try IIT-K Gita supersite for better translations word by word) 1) A Brahmin shall be initiated before 16 years of age after that he is considered Vratya and must perform Vratyastoma penance to get initiated...Now tell me what exactly shall a person do before 16 years of age to change the composition of Gunas in his body which he inherited from his parent ?... Āpastamba-Dharmasūtra, 1.1.27.-‘Till the sixteenth year there is no lapse for the Brāhmaṇa; till the twenty-second, for the Kṣatriya; and till the twenty-fourth, for the Vaiśya; till then they would be fit for keeping the observances that we are going to describe.’ 2) Determination of inclinations and personality of a child i.e. determination of his svabhav by checking the Varna of parents(if they both have equal Varna) is not wrong...Later he may try to change the Varna through Austerities/Tapa like Vishwamitra but initially his Varna is decided by Varna of his parents(if they have equal Varna) In the ongoing debate of Nature vs Nurture we have been told for years that a child is a blank slate and his personality is reflection of environment he grew up in but recent studies under "Behavioral genetics" tell us that Nature or inherited genes have higher role in personality of an individual as seen in several anecdotes of twin studies and adoption studies...You can check out Robert Plomin's interviews and videos on the topic for start.

[@rahulsharan1671]

Pure Gold 👍👍 Podcast 👍

[@shanijawakhaniwaja6648]

Brilliant podcast

[@Tweeting_data]

This pannel is fire.

[@chingling4375]

Hindu is one who accepts in all Hindu gods and can choose his God which can change from time to time or believe in portfolio of gods. Cuturally and ritualistically follow all that is Hindu.

[@vivekkapoor668]

That jāti literally means "by birth" creates a linguistic knot - because in commonplace language it can also simply mean "group." One can be a member of a "group" and that does not need to be by birth!

[@HRC294]

Brilliant. Outstanding. Just 😘

[@kautilya6999]

This is only for you Kushal to expand your base then you won't need these three and people will listen your podcasts sincerely in future.

[@anubhutisingh9633]

Pankaj Saxena in one of his tweets has answered wonderfully who is a Hindu...this question.

[@punyashloka4946]

He talks a lot of nonsense 🙄

[@anubhutisingh9633]

@@punyashloka4946 difference of opinion. He makes sense to me.

[@punyashloka4946]

@@anubhutisingh9633 not to me, he does include lot of nonsense in his talk. Don't take me wrong I don't hate him but I have disagreement with his definition of who is a hindu?

[@anubhutisingh9633]

@@punyashloka4946 I didn't write my comment for your approval. You are free to think, agree or disagree with things. Not my concern.

[@punyashloka4946]

@@anubhutisingh9633 I am just stating my disagreement.

[@varunphatak4758]

A great conversation !

[@drmanap1911]

I absolutely loved this discussion. Do more of this kind. They were not even looking ,just engrossed in their discussion 😊

[@chris94260]

Superb panel invite by Kushal Mehra, but really missing J Sai here, would have definitely wanted to know his views here especially near 57:00 mins regarding Gandhi

[@pranav_sh25]

No where in the Mahabharata it says that Eklavya killed the dog. He just filled the dog's mothfull of arrows. So that it couldn't bark anymore. Leaving the dog unharmed.

[@pravinmeher2036]

this is the difference compared to other religions. No-one in the panel are considered experts on Hinduism still they can discuss on serious texts like BhagadGeeta and Upaneeshidha

[@Rush-uo2sx]

One of the best podcast of this channel. ✌🏼 Love every moment 🤣

[@Stoiccynic224]

We need more intellectuals like Harsh Gupta.

[@yogitashivhare2672]

This is the best I have seen so much fun

[@Ex-M_Musicophile]

This podcast is Gem 💎 Loved it ❤

[@rutvikrs]

1:39:19 Ranga unkil ka epic setup

[@meandsamschannel4657]

Amazing loved it 💞💞💞💞💞

[@venkatanarasimhamkadambari242]

Well Structured Discussion, Very Happy.......

[@K2uaSlasher]

Damn wht a banger of a talk it was !!

[@pranav_chalotra]

35:37 I agree with Dr. Anand

[@niteshsharma8361]

Anand sir right varna Debat

[@Atanukundu]

Nice

[@ashwanikumar-nk7gd]

Too good guys.

[@taranjitkaur3277]

Gosh loved this session ... Moon n back....

[@MSSHARMILAG]

Excellent.

[@ajinkyapatil2663]

Really Nice... Kaala Tenduaa rocks

[@shrikanth7734]

need more such conversations, interesting group of speakers!

[@nuancedatheist934]

This gave me an impression of 4 people in the psychiatrist's office debating how their interpretations of the rorschach test are the correct ones. Ancient Texts, from thousands of years ago have undergone many modifications and evolutions over their lifespan to become nothing more than Philosophical blobs. Good people, educated people will find wonderful insights in them if they take them seriously and prejudiced, close-minded people will find justifications for discrimination.

[@CockySuSMounted]

Where do you find justification for discrimination in this discussion ? Cite one to begin with let's see

[@punyashloka4946]

You hit the nail on the head.

[@nuancedatheist934]

@@CockySuSMounted Read my comment again. I said prejudiced and close minded people will find justifications for discrimination. I don't think any of the 4 people having the discussion here are prejudiced or close minded. You're so enthusiastic for picking up fights in the comments section, you aren't reading sentences properly. Chill dude...

[@CockySuSMounted]

@@nuancedatheist934 Is that so ? 🙂 your starting example gave me wrong impression !

[@nuancedatheist934]

@@CockySuSMounted My comment stands on its own merit. Your interpretation, unfortunately, does not.