The Sound of Electric Cello - NS Design CR vs Yamaha SVC Review | Part 1

[@alex2legit]

Hi Jonathan, I liked the video! For the comparison, I prefer having back and forth comparisons, rather than a full section of one instrument followed by another, but, as you said, that was a lot of work! Here are time stamps for others wanting to jump around: Yamaha - Piezo only 5:21 NS Design - Polar Piezo only 12:22 Yamaha - Piezo and Impulse Response 6:00 NS Design - Polar Piezo and Impulse Response 13:01 Yamaha - Piezo only (2) 6:40 NS Design - Polar Piezo only (2) 13:40 Yamaha - Piezo and Impulse Response (2) 7:07 NS Design - Polar Piezo and Impulse Response (2) 14:10 Yamaha - Piezo only (3) 7:37 NS Design - Polar Piezo only (3) 14:40 Yamaha - Piezo and Impulse Response (3) 7:37 NS Design - Polar Piezo and Impulse Response (3) 14:53 Yamaha - Piezo only (4) 8:10 NS Design - Polar Piezo only (4) 15:08 Yamaha - Piezo and Impulse Response (4) 8:38 NS Design - Polar Piezo and Impulse Response (4) 15:30 Yamaha - Piezo only (5) 9:04 NS Design - Polar Piezo only (5) 15:54 Yamaha - Piezo and Impulse Response (5) 9:55 NS Design - Polar Piezo and Impulse Response (5) 16:46 Yamaha - Piezo only (6) 10:41 NS Design - Polar Piezo only (6) 17:32 Yamaha - Piezo and Impulse Response (6) 11:02 NS Design - Polar Piezo and Impulse Response (6) 17:54 Yamaha - Piezo only (7) 11:24 NS Design - Polar Piezo only (7) 18:16 Yamaha - Piezo and Impulse Response (7) 11:48 NS Design - Polar Piezo and Impulse Response (7) 18:40

[@danielbelik]

Thank you

[@user-xv4he4mt4x]

0:20 Yamaha SVC-210 unplugged 0:43 NS Design CR-5 12 unplugged 1:39 Yamaha SVC-210 12 O’clock position. Battery powered 2:11 NS Design CR-5 12 O’clock position. Battery powered 3:11 Yamaha SVC-210 noise floor AC powered 3:35 Yamaha SVC-210 noise floor Battery powered 4:26 NS Design CR-5 noise floor Battery powered 5:22 Yamaha SVC-210 higer notes 6:01 Yamaha SVC-210 higer notes with IR 6:39 Yamaha SVC-210 -The Force Suite 7:08 Yamaha SVC-210 -The Force Suite with IR 7:38 Yamaha SVC-210 -Für Elise 7:56 Yamaha SVC-210 -Für Elise with IR 8:13 Yamaha SVC-210 -Für Elise 2nd half 8:39 Yamaha SVC-210 -Für Elise 2nd half with IR 9:05 Yamaha SVC-210 9:53 Yamaha SVC-210 with IR 10:40 Yamaha SVC-210 -Bach Cello Suite 11:03 Yamaha SVC-210 -Bach Cello Suite with IR 11:23 Yamaha SVC-210 -Le Cygne 11:48 Yamaha SVC-210 -Le Cygne with IR 12:23 NS Design CR-5 13:03 NS Design CR-5 with IR 13:40 NS Design CR-5 -The Force Suite 14:10 NS Design CR-5 -The Force Suite with IR 14:40 NS Design CR-5 -Für Elise 14:54 NS Design CR-5 -Für Elise with IR 15:08 NS Design CR-5 -Für Elise 15:31 NS Design CR-5 -Für Elise with IR 15:55 NS Design CR-5 16:47 NS Design CR-5 with IR 17:35 NS Design CR-5 -Bach Cello Suite 17:57 NS Design CR-5 -Bach Cello Suite with IR 18:17 NS Design CR-5 -Le Cygne 18:40 NS Design CR-5 -Le Cygne with IR

[@CelloCoach]

Wow, thank you so much

[@Almostgoffful]

I've wanted an electric cello for a while but have been disappointed by their sound. Thanks for introducing me to impulse response and what they can do fix the dry rubbery piezo sound. Considering the cost of electric cellos it would be cool if they had some sort of impulse response modeling built in.

[@djierardi]

Built-in generally means unmodifiable, or modifiable only within pre-specified parameters. Having lots of knobs to twist is certainly a complication, but I think Jonathan has demonstrated that having those options is useful. And this is only in trying to reproduce an "acoustic cello" sound. But there's so much more that you can do with an electric cello.

[@crystalsenpai3299]

Thank you!! I really like the effort put into testing these two electric cellos. 🙌

[@ExplorandoJapon]

Thank you! This is exactly the information I was looking for! I get home late and I can’t practice because it will be noisy for my neighbor

[@CelloCoach]

Glad it was helpful!

[@DartWinger]

Dude, I was interested in an E-Cello for many years and you just upped it to a #1 priority (with this and several of your other videos!)

[@CelloCoach]

Go for it!

[@raymonddegennaro3097]

Thank you, thank you, thank you for the in-room, unplugged sound.

[@CelloCoach]

You're welcome!

[@redbrick9634]

My ear prefers the Yamaha. The sound is more pure and closer to an acoustic.

[@jessicabenjamin8518]

Thank you for the thorough review! Very helpful!! ❤

[@CelloCoach]

My pleasure

[@danieljung2810]

I'm curious are you using a 10 megaohm DI box or a 10 megaohm input amp? I recently purchased a NXTA4 and a DI box did make a big difference. The most dramatic difference was using the Low Pass Filter and Highpass filter with the DI box which made the cello sound more natural. Also, I paired the cello with the inexpensive Positive Spark Amp 40 which sounds amazing with the cello.

[@CelloCoach]

Fraggles , I should look

[@theladyfuria]

High-quality comparison!! Thanks, that was very helpful. I`m still divided though which one to get. They have different pro and cons. Which one is your fav, Jonathan?

[@Kenji1685]

Thanks for the thorough comparison. : ))

[@8Phoenix8]

I really wanna get the NS Cello. :)

[@Bhatt_Hole]

Cello isn't my instrument. With that said, the piezo alone on the Yamaha sounds not only the most real, but also has a more raw, biting, and upper mid-y sound than all the rest. That slightly harsher sound can be mellowed/tweaked while mixing. Whereas all the others are already a bit dull to begin with, and you can't add those aspects later. If I had to record an electric cello, I'd go with the Yamaha's piezo.

[@ThatVibrato]

I've been playing cello many years competitively in a classical setting. I still think (just hearing from this recording) that the Yamaha has a richer tone than the CR (e.g. comparing @11:03 with @17:57). However, I understand this is just from the recorded audio itself that we're hearing and this is purely my opinion. Maybe it sounds different in person... extremely hard to compare these though because these instruments aren't as readily available to try in the US :(

[@CelloCoach]

check out my video where i compare them and you will find the signal is cleaner and build better on the CR

[@ThatVibrato]

@@CelloCoach after playing with my svc210 everyday so i get more of the sound profile for it, i now agree with you. The sound isnt as clear as what I hear on my double stops than what i would hear in some ns design cr cellos on KZbin. Its definitely clearer on the ns design. Thanks for all these comparisons!

[@CedroEscarlate]

Wow sound waaaay better

[@CelloCoach]

Yes the IR makes all the difference - Please continue to CR vs SVC Part 2 - kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6ecgqSFod2Co6c

[@JonNeimeister]

Thanks so much for this video! I recently bought a Yamaha and love it overall, but missing a bit of the warmth when I record direct input. Ordering the MOOER pedal as it added so much to the sound! Do you use one of the existing IRs on the pedal, or a custom one? Any suggestions you'd recommend to set it up for that rich acoustic sound?

[@CelloCoach]

watch my video on impulse responses

[@marianomontania7403]

gracias gracias gracias gracias !

[@davidhuckaby832]

Where can I get a little bow like you have? I just got an NS, 5 String electric cello. It's sound is outstanding...the tone is so great!

[@danielbelik]

What is better: FCGDA or CGDAE cello in terms of usability and sound?

[@CelloCoach]

low F all day long

[@jimpowers2950]

I think the Yamaha sounds more like an acoustic cello. It has a sound chamber with a spruce top and maple back and sides. The NS has a solid body. Maybe impulse system can save the NS.? I know you compare the preamps and the yamaha distorts some at full volume ... do you normally play electric cello with a preamp at full volume?

[@CelloCoach]

IR’s are the way to go for sure

[@josephgrn2818]

Anyone know how a cello mic would sound on these? (not through the preamp but with a standard cello mic)

[@JeffreySaxophoneTallNewton]

Do you find the extra, 5th string on the NS tips the scales towards it over the Yamaha (or any other electric cello)? I play 5 string bass (both electric bass and electric upright bass), and like the extra range it provides. Cello is pitched in 5ths instead of 4ths, so has a wider range than bass to begin with. Does this compensate enough to stick with 4 strings? Do you find the 5th string interferes with technique? Note: I'm primarily a tenor saxophonist and pianist. Thanks, Jeff.

[@CelloCoach]

Great question, Jeff. The team at NS have optimally spaced the strings of the 5 string to make it easy to transition from a 4 to 5 string. And the range point is exactly why I chose the Low F model. If you watch my latest video featuring Squidgame outfits, I am playing with a 1/2lower F string, which is essentially a contrebass.

[@JeffreySaxophoneTallNewton]

@@CelloCoach I watched it! The NS definitely holds its own versus the acoustics! So you have F-C-G-D-A on that video? Sounds like the low, 5th string is useful. On 5 string bass, many complain that it isn't worth it as it is so low.

[@geofharris5546]

@@JeffreySaxophoneTallNewton I've been playing 5 string (B to G) bass guitar for over 30 years and my comment here is that all the fuss is being made over the ultra-low notes, whereas to me the greatest advantage is the fact you can play more across the neck vs the up'n down travel needed on a 4.. Kind of like thinking of it as two 4str necks superimposed on one another, the second one occupying the B string but starting on the 5th fret. Of course, the B also offers the lower octaves for Eb down to B, but that is mainly an occasional bonus. Having said that, of the two necks concept, I'm totally unconscious of it when playing.. it becomes all one big area. The other very significant thing a 5str delivers is that you have the option of 3 places for some notes all at the same pitch, but with very different tonal responses.. which means you can have the identical riff played in 3 positions with 3 different emphases. Priceless. :)

[@JeffreySaxophoneTallNewton]

@@geofharris5546 I have the 5 string Fender Jazz bass and also a 5 string fretless EUB.

[@TheEndSliceofBread]

Could you do a video on changing electric cello strings? I got a Yamaha SVC210 about a year ago, and JUST found out that “factory strings” are practically disposable. I’m hoping changing them will increase the sound quality and playability, because in my band when I play on A string it’s just brash and awful -BUT I’ve never changed strings (acoustic or electric) before and I don’t know how. Can I just follow an acoustic tutorial?

[@CelloCoach]

you can follow the acoustic tutorial yet this is a great question and will be made into a how-to video in the future. Your geared pegs are best wound with a drill.

[@TheEndSliceofBread]

Thank you!

[@Kenji1685]

Have you ever tried a carbon fiber cello?

[@8Phoenix8]

I hope he does. :) because carbon fiber has so much potential plus the full carbon fiber ones (soundpost etc being carbon fiber too.)

[@ronwhitehead3824]

I built my owne carbon fibre cello and is very good. Very responsive. Thes electric cellos are over priced for how good they are.

[@bobbymcrobby494]

Hi, I’ve been watching you for a while and you’re an amazing cellist, I was wondering if you’ve heard of the cello “la chambrr

[@bobbymcrobby494]

Chambre* and this is for a advanced player

[@MsCellobass]

The yamaha sounds more like a cello (and the hefty price on it is forgivable b/c of that!) The NS would more for rocking out!! I have the NS

[@elsonarcos7068]

Yamaha 🤘

[@YawningGirl]

Do you happen to know what impulse response is used? It sounds great.

[@YawningGirl]

@@CelloCoach cool! Thank you! :)

[@irxess]

Interesting! What are you using for the IR?

[@FeathersMcGraw_]

He's using the Mooer Radar IR Pedal. The Amazon link is in the description of the video but they're unavailable at the moment unfortunately.

[@clarksville009]

I see that you were asked for the IR file you used for this demenstration but did not say what it is. I like to know why and also a link to order you advanced scales book.

[@PanicKernel2008]

Hi Jonathan. With the NS Design, the thumb position is useless as you are not blocked by the cello body, isn't it ?

[@losveneremos]

How Jonathan! thank you for helping me choose my E Cello, Where did you get the stand for the NS cello? I can't seem to find it anywhere.

[@CelloCoach]

In Europe, I bought it from Thomann.

[@camusmonamour]

merci beaucoup pour cette démo, mais au niveau du son ça donne envie de rester sur une vrai contrebasse !

[@TannerChung]

what's that accessory for the NS called that provides the frame?

[@CelloCoach]

End pin Stand

[@TnSn5]

Ns sounds NaSal