Fallout Precon Upgrade Guides | Hail, Caesar vs Scrappy Survivors | The Command Zone 592

[@acdcguy18]

If I recall correctly, members of Caesar's Legion would pronounce it "kai-sar" while literally everyone else would pronounce it "see-zur". If I further recall correctly, CL also pronounce their members' names with the Latin pronunciations (Vulpes as wul-peez).

[@Nat20Ryan]

Correct. This is cause caeser not only has lower intelligence but to be an "innovative" leader he pronounces it different. Also being in the Mojave makes sense for different pronunciation of names

[@jacobnestle3805]

"Even though it's supposed to be Caesar" Actually, Julius Caesar would have pronounced his name something like Yoo-lee-oos Kai-sar so they're a lot more accurate in the game than you'd think. (This is where the German word for Emperor, Kaiser, comes from)

[@jeffreylong1478]

Umm … Actually lol ☝️🤓

[@Pinfeldorf]

Also the Russian "Czar", and probably others I'm ignorant of.

[@vladvendetta8954]

@@jeffreylong1478 I mean, it is important. The Legion are a faction that represent the archaic obsession with the past and the authoritarian tendencies that come with it. They say "Kai-zar" instead of "See-zar" to differentiate themselves from the culture that preceded them. Its interesting. There's no need to be so anti-intellectual even if you are having a little joke there.

[@ingolf82]

I was about to type this. so he has been mispronounced all this time in movies and stuff.

[@hugmonger]

I love love love watching the deck reviews and upgrades for this specific deck to see which faction these folks are part of, because only those familiar with the work of Edward Sallow will say it properly lol

[@TheSargeTiny]

Using Reconnaissance after damage is a great tip! You all are always teaching me something new!

[@ConradDubya]

How can you remove it from combat, after damage is dealt, when reconnaissance says the creature is *removed* from combat and deals no damage

[@BornFromEmbers]

@@ConradDubyabc magic rulings are weird. Since there is an “end of combat” step after the “damage” step you can just use it then bc technically that’s still combat.

[@andrewpeli9019]

The card is old and the game rules have changed since the card was printed. Back in the day, combat damage went on the stack and you could respond to it. Now you can’t do that but there is a post combat damage cleanup step

[@ConradDubya]

Thanks for the reply’s! I was able to learn something new , appreciate it.

[@DieFrauAmHerd]

Yeah it used to not work like this, then everyone thought it worked likes they explained it now. But Wizards Ruled it that it actually didnt work like it officially, but funny enough now when they did the reprint they changed it to how everyone was playing it anyway, so now the rules are officially like everyone is explaining it

[@kevinwinters9992]

I believe cathars crusade will put two counters on each creature because they enter simultaneously, the two cathar triggers will go on the stack.

[@atingley0913]

This is correct!

[@aviansword]

I'm so happy the stats portion of these reviews came back. It helps so much to think about when I wanna upgrade a deck.

[@abrahamvargas5041]

for my budget upgrade is just grabbed all the good cards from the precon of wilds of eldraine and made Dogmeat more aura based, pretty easy and strong

[@oecus2786]

People, including myself, keep ignoring that Preston untaps all enchanted permanents including creatures that are enchanted

[@Bobbybillybillbob]

Exactly, think of assing Light Paws or Ardenn then just going wide with a bunch of Enchanted creatures and untapped them and enchanted lands. I'm focusing on Preston for my build, Dogmeat is sweet, but there is better Voltron style commanders

[@ethannaak]

It was such an honor to meet both of you this weekend!! Sitting at that hotel lobby table was the best part of the entire convention 😂

[@hiddenleaf414]

If they didn’t have those 2 big lobbies with all the big round tables that magiccon would have been a bigger train wreck than it already was. Still can’t believe they didn’t rent enough tables based off the number of tickets they sold or not utilize the space efficiently. Most likely will be my last big magic event I go to unless they publicly announce that they have taken the correct precautions to fill everyone in correctly.

[@bc6292]

I really do appreciate that you consider adding newer cards over older cards that people may not own

[@RickyChops]

Whatever you’re paying Rachel, go ahead and double it.

[@higherpowergaming5479]

She's the greatest

[@maxspecs]

They pay her in bottlecaps :p

[@davidcrain453]

Agree

[@emanueltalavera4175]

Triple it

[@iDr34MeR]

Rachel's great, but you don't need to keep spamming the same comment on each video.

[@dash2467]

I wish there was a more of a nerd out episode on these universe beyond commander sets where a super fan goes through and rates the precons but may also discusses lore associated with the cards. For example Fallout 4 dogmeat grabs equipment because Fallout 4 dogmeat will grab items in the game for you, most famously the cryolator glitch, or small things like the fallout pronuciation of ceaser as Kai-sar.

[@xStarborn]

go checkout out pleasent kenobi

[@bamit11]

Seeing Assemble the Legion and The Nipton Lottery be cut in a Caesar deck physically hurt as a big FNV fan. Like I'm legitimately happy we got an Assemble reprint over another even $10 reprint, since there won't really be another chance for it to happen.

[@maxbodifee3263]

At 5 mana it is just not good anymore. Same goes for black market. They would both be 3 mana enchantments nowadays

[@animalchin5082]

I mean, assemble has never been that good. Spending 5 mana to get nothing but a 1/1 on the next turn was also bad 10yrs ago but it atleast had the potential to pay off 4-6 turns later.

[@crazymembrane]

That SPECIAL rating was alot of fun. I think it was actually a fun way to contextualize the decks and can give people an idea of which axis they like to take in a game.

[@dang6147]

Maze of Ith can also targer your own creatures to remove them from combat, after getting an attack trigger. Slightly cheaper than Reconnaissance, and it compromises repeatability for a harder-to-remove permanent with some defensive capabilities.

[@FreyaTheGoblin]

Preston is not a worst feast and famine that's a wild under statement. He untaps all enchanted permeants not just lands when he attacks not just deals damage. He's in red white making extra combats so easy untapping everything for pseudo vigilance, plus an extra set of casting in 2nd main or holding combat tricks up. He's closer to Xolatoyac, Smiling Flood, but for enchantments.

[@paradoxlegionarre2619]

I feel many people are sleeping in Preston since the first part says enchant lands and they just assume the 2nd part only applies to lands. Imo hese like a seed born muse on enchanted permanents so not as good but will let you have infinite combat triggers with the right cards

[@bryanl2838]

That Arnold joke and the look on Rachael's face had me rotf

[@TheUltimateRey]

I think he meant to pronounce it correctly but it came out sounding more like the N word and she noticed right away and he did after the fact lmao

[@jakebossmtg4899]

When Arnold was on Conan's podcast, he mentioned the idea of a hard to pronounce name being hard to forget. That's all I was referring to. The way I said it sounded as I said it was yikes, though.

[@vivid.worker]

really enjoyed your presence on this episode@@jakebossmtg4899

[@stanthebasedman1617]

Ayo that shit had me WEAK LMFAOOOO. I stunned they didn't edit it out hahaha

[@dunspartacusnormie8397]

I'm super excited to build a Mr house deck he looks like a ton of fun, but your right he feels incredibly out of place in this precon.

[@Did_No_Wrong]

Same thing applies to Preston. He feels like he should have been made for a lands matter ramp deck.

[@Silverdragon83X]

I think Mr. House was originally not meant to be played with dice larger than D6, but after two DnD sets with D20 mechanics, I think he can totally go nuts!

[@mrxpibb]

Kaizer is how the Romans pronounced Caesar

[@Z-S-H]

Thank you for doing the stats this time ❤

[@fcspartacus88]

Love you guys always terrific content! But to be honest I prefered once you made 1 precon deck for 1 episode.

[@christophegert7271]

Fully agree

[@LibertyMonk]

Inventory Management is even better than "I think this is amazing." You don't have to put everything on a single creature with it, you aren't even choosing between "move or stay" for everything. You can completely rearrange all the gear you control as you see fit between creatures you control. Yeah, the simple answer is "save this to one-shot somebody," but depending what equipment (or auras) you have, you could save a bunch of creatures, or one-shot everyone, or so even fancier things.

[@draaytaicho]

I would add any of Nahiri's prints as they're equipment focused and would help streamline the deck more. At least in my opinion.

[@LibertyMonk]

I think you're underselling Junk Jet, there's no "only once" clause, and it's pretty easy to have a brown rectangle or two sitting around. The threat of activation is pretty real, especially on anything with trample or evasion and decent power. You're right that this isn't the deck for it, but Liberty Prime wouldn't mind being equipped with it.

[@thomasbondra6108]

For dogmeat, maybe try living weapon and for mirrodin! Cards? Solves the creature problem a lil

[@o_double_t_o]

8:18 Imagine if Mr. House had Eminence… he would be the best dice rolling Commander. It would feel more on brand too.

[@lum26akua28]

Let's not do Eminence anymore.

[@hugmonger]

That would actually be kinda cool, if Eminence was used specifically for Niche abilities like dice rolling or something. You'd wanna keep it kinda weak like when you roll a 6 make a clue or something, but it could be the right way to do Eminence

[@Caerikz]

I really think going with some living weapon and for mirrodin! cards is also the play. It solves your bodies problem while also giving you some shockingly good equipments. The one that gives an extra combat is very good, and unlike germs the soldier token sticks around when you shuffle off the equipment with Ardinn and friends.

[@ajaydassani9931]

It was great meeting both of you at magiccon and played with murph.. hope we can jam commander in the near future.

[@shinjuku1834]

kai-sar is the latin pronunciation of Caesar, the way its pronounced like the salad is anglicized but still correct

[@isaakhyde8327]

Rachel is such a people's champion, she can call Fallout and 40K basically the same thing (paraphrase) and lose no points for it 😂

[@MirrorAshes]

As a huge fallout fan I’m really excited about the decks but also really disappointed in the reprint value in these. The decks have all been so good lately I wasn’t expecting a big let down, especially not here.

[@Wojtek36762]

I preordered Hail Caesar, and as I’ve been using virtual playtesters, it felt pretty clear that the deck needs more early tokens just like you said. Out of my binders, I had a few more options for steady fodder that gets out under Caesar: Lagomos, Hand of Hatred (who also gets to tutor after a big enough combat), Urabrask’s Forge, Ophiomancer, and Nether Traitor. I’m tempted by Queen Marchesa and Court of Grace even though they cost 4. Thinking about Iroas, God of Victory to protect my attackers, a lot of the deck’s good enablers also need to swing themselves. I also want to try Garna, Bloodfist of Keld. If blocking the two attacking soldier tokens I just made means giving me two cards, I think they’ll usually get through and I won’t be too mad when they don’t. I also have a City on Fire I’ve been itching to try, it might be a great top end but I’ll have to be careful of nonbos with aristocrat life loss effects. I hadn’t thought of Reconnaissance somehow, but of course it’s perfect! I even have a spare one sitting around.

[@Wojtek36762]

Another note about the Caesar deck is that it has two Tainted lands that only work if you control a swamp, but the deck out of the box only contains 4 basic swamps, 1 nonbasic swamp, and 4 fetches that could potentially find swamps if we count Ash Barrens (but Myriad Landscape is way too slow anyway). I love the Tainted land cycle but it takes a little care to use them in 3 color. If you’re investing in the mana base, a few more non-basic swamps would be in order, and maybe a couple more basic ones, if you want the tainted lands. Or you could just swap the tainted lands for pain lands in those colors, which didn’t make it (Caves for naming reasons but I feel like Sulfurous Springs would have been more thematic than Shadowblood Ridge). I don’t wanna do the math but I think those tainted lands will fail you a significant amount of the time if you try to use them to land Caesar on curve.

[@corijane7616]

I think I have a type - I have a Chisiro and Kellen deck...and just bought Dogmeat! I'm not planning to upgrade Dogmeat, but my first thought was I could shove all three together to make a pretty awesome tokens/modify Naya deck :)

[@inkarozu2309]

Agree with all the Dogmeat adds except big Danitha, its good but 5 mana is a bit much for a non-finisher creature in Voltron. First thing I'd always add in equip decks is Sigarda's Aid, it does soo much for 1 mana. Forge Anew is another great addition that fits super well with dogmeat. As for creatures. Fervent Champion, Akiri Fearless Voyager, Danitha Capashen Paragon and Balan Wandering Knight are all great adds for low cost.

[@familymangaming6527]

I love my Dogmeat deck and after upgrading the precon it is a beast of a deck! I win a lot of games with Dogmeat, one of my favorite decks to play with.

[@izukukageyama7552]

Wait, I'm new to Magic, why are the tapped and attacking tokens not considered attacking for other effects?

[@FreyaTheGoblin]

basically the tokens didnt declare an attack they just showed up already attacking, so they dont trigger "when a card attacks". Imagine the steps are 1. declare attacks, 2. attacks 3. attacking, ect. so they skip that attacks part

[@izukukageyama7552]

@@FreyaTheGoblin Ok, that makes sense thanks.

[@DFrost-qw5qd]

I am very little knowledge of fall out. But I like these cards. I want to make like 5 commander decks around the cards affect, even if I have no clue who the character is.

[@darthkplayz1885]

Mirkwood Bats in Caesar goes dummy :)

[@mylowoutdoor8413]

Ouch, I got my sister a deck from the new fallout set as we all bought different ones. We bought her Scrappy survivors because she likes flavour and dogmeat is perfect for that but man the reprint value and lackluster gameplan seems a little sad. Hopefully it plays better than its first impression. Looking forward to the Mutant Menace Deck!

[@Watsabeholder]

The reprint value is low, but keep in mind that there are 38 brand new cards and 36 lands (that aren't new), as this is closer in type to Warhammer's commander decks than to normal commander products. That leaves you with only 26 cards to get the decks reprint value, and it's a theme that's already pretty cheap to build. Realistically, we wont really know what the value of the deck is until a week or two after the decks come out so the new cards can get proper prices. If you look over on Moxfield, the predictive price for those cards puts the deck value around $225, but that's likely to fluctuate.

[@calebbrown1068]

Inventory Management is SO. GOOD. It plays like an Arcbound Ravager in the way that in a lot of games, if you swing enough things at somebody, they can in no way block where they don’t die to Inventory Management. Also plays well with one of my favorites, Sunforger- activate the Sunforger and find this, then reattach the Sunforger?! Crazy cool card.

[@matthewneilson9836]

Was happy to take out squirrel nest as I didn't have one for chatterfang yet 👍🐿

[@brandoncreek5709]

Well Rested is an insane card if Preston is the commander. Basically gives him vigilance, makes him bigger and draws you a card. Slam dunk!

[@DarkAvatar1313]

☝🤓 11:26 just like Curie she is a modded Miss Nanny robot. You can tell due to the white chassis (Mr. Handys are chrome and Mr. Gutsys are olive drab.)

[@minispiel19]

Just got Dogmeat for Mother’s Day. You’re right, it would be better to lean into the auras or equipment. Plenty of good Naya equipment cards that can be used to upgrade the deck such aa Open the Armory. And I know you don’t talk about the financial value of new cards, but Dogmeat has some pretty sweet new cards.

[@ArtistYamer]

Literally was about to play Fallout and then i see this pop up in my notifications lmao

[@shellshockthelagiacrus3247]

So i just bought the dogmeat precon, i already have a copy of shadowspear so I'll be adding that in almost immediately, and i plan on ordering the other cards you recommended, including helm of the host. Does anyone have any suggestions on what should be removed for helm? From what they said about the quest counters being a small theme in the deck, and since we're already taking out moira, should i juat take out another of the quest counter cards or is there a different card you'd recommend removing?

[@ehsanrahee7411]

Please tell me you got Matt Mercer for the Game Knights episode for these decks. What better than to have McCreedy himself play his own deck??

[@jacobcardona2457]

Butch Deloria was a big card in my FNM win. Giving stuff menace and the +1/+1 counters were pretty great

[@thatepicwizardguy]

So is it just me or does Mr House not specify the type of dice or even multi-roll effects where you roll once and then count another? It just counts ALL rolls at all times? So D20 rolls are insanely easy to hit 4+ or even 6+. there's a lot of dice roll cards to throw into a house token deck... that deck could be WILD and probably really fun lol

[@ericmittmann3262]

Yes, that’s the idea behind the card. Ignore his own activation. Just go for cards that allow you to roll D20s, so you chances are higher to roll that 6 or more. His own activation is just there to make sure the card kinda works on its own. But it’s not what makes it bonkers.

[@Machiroable]

@@ericmittmann3262 His activation is only good when you pay it with treasure and have the setup to extract the most value of his dice rolls, like attractions and certain effects that carre about d6's.

[@kliop123432]

Ellivere of the Wild Court would probably be another card to consider for the naya deck, since she creates auras when she ETBs and attacks, giving your creatures a big boost! Kodama of the West Tree would be nice too, since it gives your modified creatures trample and can help do plenty of ramp.

[@PortgasDAce7407]

with caesar when you attack you choose two in case that was unclear. so technically with isshin out as well you would sac two and choose 4

[@thumbwrestler12]

Great video dog meat feels like it’s trying to be Voltron when it’s bad at it. Love the cute doggy and upgrades for the deck! Also the upgrades for ceaser are really good. There’s so many great new commanders in these decks I love rolling dice may get some singles from the set with the packs out in the wild

[@punkypinko2965]

At 23:15 Rachel says it "gives your whole board vigilance" ... But the card says "target attacking creature" which is singular. So how does it give multiple creates "your whole board" vigilance? Doesn't it just give one creature "vigilance" of sorts?

[@punkypinko2965]

Oh I see: it has a 0 cost ability that you could active multiple times, because you don't have to tap the card. Neat.

[@TheKakasinho]

I love Jake casually wearing a @JellesMarbleRuns hoodie 😂

[@Marshmallow-Head89]

I just pre-order my collector box for 250. Can’t wait. Seems like everywhere they’re sold out or the prices through the roof.

[@jacobtrang833]

Love the video and I LOVE Rachel as a host especially during precons episode

[@austinhuddlestonecv4238]

Why doesnt fervent charge work with the 1/1s your commander brings out?

[@kerraii2008]

If you were to pick ONE of the 4 Fallout precon decks, which would be the most fun to play? Not necessarily the strongest but the most fun

[@RenzZlax]

I actually preordered the Dogmeat precon because I always wanted to make a Naya modify deck. I know slapping in counters is the last thing dogmeat really needs, but im excited to see what i can do with the deck

[@jacksonbilly9979]

I’ve never played MTG, I love card game and always wanted to learn to play, I never had any cards, but I’m a huge fallout fan and bought all 4 commander deck, sitting sealed in my shelf with other crap.

[@kingpunis3492]

Glad the stats are back! Great episode

[@JacquezLewis-fg5qf]

I’m new to playing the game but a huge fallout fan. What 2 deck would yall recommend I purchase starting out?

[@ant5454]

Love the art of all these cards, hate that none of them are my play style 😢

[@MetaLibanez1]

I own a German Shepherd so I feel obligated to buy the Dogmeat precon. However I am not that interested in Voltron as a playstyle.. Oh well, gonna get the goodest boy and go on some adventures through my graveyard to deal commander damage.

[@NoName-x5o]

I just picked this up for $40 -- it's so good :3 Edit: the legion one

[@taylorjohnson5148]

I feel like urabrask’s forge might be good. Attack with or sac the goblin it makes.

[@Foxelz]

Todd Howard… also Rachel is such a blessing to the show

[@Pinfeldorf]

The decks are likely worth a *bit* more than stated in the video, as these are apparently the only source for the Fallout full-art basics in nonfoil. Having said that, maybe the foils in this set aren't gonna boomerang warp within a month and it doesn't matter if people can only access foils, but it still ain't nothing.

[@ToxicSkyline00]

Why would Fervent charge not buff the 1/1 attacking tokens created by Caesar?

[@Aquilinogvera]

I pulled the plug on Mr. House when I played new Vegas. Honestly my favorite game out all the other fallouts

[@MyDragontrainer]

Well I would swap the junk jet for the two-handed axe from the baldurs gate set it has equip 1 and 1red and when attacking double creatures power. And it's adventure side is 1 and 1red istant give target creature double strike until end of turn

[@maxbodifee3263]

Not a fallout fan but some nice new cards for my Faldorn (junk shenanigans), Marwyn (well rested is bonkers!) and Duskana decks at least. The squad cards are a nice addition for the 🐻

[@MrArchivist1]

I'm confused--Reconnaissance says the creatures you remove from combat do not deal damage, but Rachel is suggesting that they can deal damage and be removed before combat ends. What am I missing?

[@silversuper3]

the good old 5 steps of combat beginning of combat declare attackers declare defenders combat damage end of combat all of them have a period of time instant speed effects can occur, so you could remove creatures any time before combat damage and they would not deal damage, but you can also remove them in the end of combat step, untapping them and the damage still having been dealt. It's odd but it works

[@quayo90]

House and Dog are definitely being built. I might walk away with like 4 Fallout decks not precons😅😂

[@maxbodifee3263]

Take out 2 (slow) lands and add 2 pieces of interaction to upgrade the dog

[@MoneyMikeSavage]

Why doesn’t Fervent Charge apply to the tokens being made and attacking?

[@Zaykahb]

Fervent charge only triggers when a creature is declared as an attacker during the declare attackers step. The tokens come into play after that step, and so they don't trigger the effect

[@Azhalan]

I basically stopped buying Magic cards a year ago, but as a Fallout fan, I just need those decks 😂

[@timlawlor6498]

Always love having Rachael host these eps.

[@JoshuaDanay]

I feel like the biggest thing this deck needed is evasion, having played it a few times it was harder to get damage thru

[@gnomeomontague]

Irrelevant, but condensing them into one video is actually such a smart move when you think about it

[@barneyhogue6203]

Always love to see Jake!

[@graydawgy5716]

Why don't the 1/1s that Caesar makes get the buffs I'm confused

[@JasonOshinko]

Caesar's tokens enter the battlefield tapped and attacking. They don't benefit from Fervent Charge because they weren't declared as attackers.

[@graydawgy5716]

@@JasonOshinko got u thanks

[@Onirikas]

Mazzy, Truesword Paladin is great if you go full Auras.

[@TedWade73]

When it comes to a Mr. House deck, I think you'll score big with D&D cards that roll d20's

[@pranavaggarwal3]

I think there needs to be more cards in there to protect Caesar

[@andrewpeli9019]

You should be adding living weapons and for Mirradon equipment to dogmeat, as the become one card card draw engines

[@spykids3on_vhs819]

Video starts at 5:04 btw.

[@fabiopino5496]

teysa karlov and sanguinary priest would both be fine additions to the caesar's deck imho

[@breadbread4226]

Honestly I am just going to combine this deck with some of my cards from the rebellion rising precon and an anim pakal I got laying around and that will be that.

[@skelegames9919]

I honestly think crime novelist would work pretty well in this deck just because of how it makes free mana

[@Joescotterpuss]

Instead of spending $13 on Reconnasaince i think ill spend like a dollar on Brave the Sands. You can't pull back creatures from combat, but you still get vigilance and can defend yourself way better.

[@andrewpeli9019]

Dogmeat turns so many cards into card advantage engines and is card advantage himself. I’m not sure you want a lot more card draw in this deck

[@RTK5357]

I think that hail Caesar deck can be kinda nasty. Im def getting it.

[@Deadpoolbigboss287]

I wish y’all still did the STATS segment

[@camoyuki]

It looks like Armory Paladin and Inventory Management would be pretty good in my Nahiri deck

[@timavery2343]

Conduit of worlds if you mill lands or if you need that one equipment or aura back from the graveyard

[@trevorcassidy3772]

Love the Team Galactic sweatshirt!

[@quesog32]

Trying to guess who's going to be on Game Knights... the only person that comes to mind is Todd Howard?

[@LX6R_Alexander]

That would be insane. But tbh, if anyone from Bethesda was to show up I feel Pete Hines would be more realistic, he seems to be the more public figure of the two. But honestly they probably hadn't have a problem to find someone who plays Fallout and Magic.

[@necasperaterent29386]

If you think that a game only lasts 8 to 9 turns, you've never witnessed the gruelling war of attrition that is Krenko goblins vs Mycotyrant saprolings.

[@victorzavala5028]

What fallout cards can I use for scrappy survivor I want to keep it either similar art flavor

[@L1GHTGAMING]

Think of any equipment you add as something random Dogmeat dug up on the post apocalyptic world of Fallout, auras = Science! Any boros add is basically a raider. I've been having a blast going wide with creature token generating equipment, and tall on Dogmeat.

[@ingolf82]

I watched the Spikefeeders gameplay video of these 4 decks yesterday, they look really interesting. I'm interested to see how you upgrade these. they played them out of the box though. there are a bunch of cheap token makers in Mardu, like Krenko's command and dragon fodder. I mean, the more tokens, the merrier right?