How R Kelly Might End Up In Prison | All Out Show

Jude and Justin discuss the ins and outs of Surviving R Kelly. Apologies for the delay and technical difficulties.
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Justin Hunte is a former Editor-in-Chief of HipHopDX and creator of DX's popular series The Breakdown and #DXLive. Hunte has debated at the prestigious Oxford Union and is featured on Shade45's "All Out Show w/ Rude Jude," as well as Revolt TV’s “Revolt Live” Billboard magazine, digital campaigns for Lexus, Honda, Brisk, and Simple Mobile. Prior to joining HipHopDX, Hunte spent 5 years working in investment banking at Banc Of America/Merrill Lynch and has covered music, politics, and culture for numerous publications. He is currently based in Los Angeles, California.
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[@TheCompanyMan]

Full disclosure: We had technical difficulties this week but I was able to salvage the most substantial part of the conversation. Thank's for baring with us!

[@christopherwashington2460]

Still appreciated🙏

[@Nomarandus]

I love yall man Respect to true hip hop historians and scholars

[@abstractrealitytim9672]

Good to see you and Jude having a good conversation again hope you guys talk about this Soulja boy press run soon

[@mastertuff]

The Company Man !m ninth,

[@stevecurrie169]

@@bwoww13 Do your googles, my guy. Jude is 100% authentic. What you hear ain't no act or facade, it's who he's always been. I definitely don't agree with everything he has to say but he keeps it a buck no matter what other niggas gotta say. A real nigga can recognize and respect that.

[@Welsed]

"Shit in a bucket once, shame on you, shit in a bucket twice, shame on me." 😂 😂 😂 💯

[@mslady795]

I have been following this story. My opinion is it's not all the parents fault. When I was a teenager I would lie to my parents to hang out with older guys, And now at 43 I'm women enough to say I knew better I knew right from wrong. My parents couldn't watch me 24/7. If the parents knew then shame on them. But every young lady should tell the truth to their Parents. That's all my Opinion🤷‍♀

[@Ichimomo101]

I’m so tired of hearing people dismiss r.kelly’s victims just because they were of age. Leaving an abusive relationship is extremely difficult and we’re talking about walking out on a person that’s rich and influential. They couldn’t even eat or use the bathroom without his permission, how were they supposed to orchestrate an escape? They had no money, no means of contacting their families. They were supposed to leave and do what? Go where? To the nearest homeless shelter? To the police? It’s not that simple. And I’m over these stupid comments of “well if you want to cancel r.kelly then you also have to give up xyz.” How is that an argument in support of r.kelly? I’ll gladly stop supporting anyone that is a predator, we all should. This problem won’t go away until we start supporting the victims coming forward and stop being lenient to their abusers

[@AQGOAT24]

Good point. What was left out in the story's is he takes their cell phones and their wallets. Wtf they gonna do without their phone to contact someone or their wallet to say grab a taxi.

[@TGray7598]

I very well said. I agree 100%

[@gxtmfa]

Jude admitted he was only playing devil’s advocate a few times.

[@kneeckle8312]

I've known this for ages. I feel like everyone's known this for ages, like how's it taken so long? Everyone knew, but no one spoke.

[@Jaidzeka36]

People are scared to speak up. (I'm not saying that its right).

[@livingabstraction2206]

And I agree with the caller from Miami/Detroit. Unfortunately a lot of men, I include myself in this, we grow slow with recognizing power imbalance. I remember seeing dudes who were in their 20 Macking on young high school girls and only thinking it was kinda weird. Heck I remember engaging in similar behavior when I was 19 but thankfully even then I knew not to take it to a sexual place. It took me getting older and listening to my female friends talk about the shit they go through on a daily basis that I realized how insidious this shit was and how borderline abusive it is. So glad I learned since then and I definitely call that stuff out now. All I can do is grow ask God to forgive me for my own stupidity and make sure cats understand that preying on young women is bullshit move.

[@TheCompanyMan]

I think people forget how (unfortunately) common it was to see young girls messing with older guys. I knew at least one dude on my basketball team who was smashing the cheerleading coach, so there are examples on both side of the aisle. it's only in hindsight sometimes we see the light. Thanks again, LA.

[@kmc1994]

@@TheCompanyMan please, reverse the language. Its grown ass men messing with young girls, not the other way around and their is a distinction. Which this commenter points out about power imbalance

[@dukenastee3521]

I smashed that like button so hard, it won't be walkin straight tomorrow

[@TheNuGeekz]

That's... a pretty awkward comment for THIS particular vid. LOL!

[@TheCompanyMan]

@@TheNuGeekz HAHAHAH

[@TheCompanyMan]

HAHAHA! Thank you, brother!

[@dukenastee3521]

@@TheNuGeekz lhmfh 😂😂😂 I shoulda thought about that b4 I commented. Oh well, no regrets

[@dukenastee3521]

@@TheCompanyMan most deff 💯 you keep doing your thing. Preciate you showing some love bro mad respect

[@livingabstraction2206]

It's like I said in a previous video, as much as we don't want to admit it, the world we live in now isn't the one we lived in back in the early to mid-2000s. No one wanted to believe the situation was that bad. We knew he was on some wild shit but I don't think we really wanted to fathom how twisted his actions were. And like Justin says not only were a lot of us very young and couldn't resonate these actions as predatory because so much dumb shit like this was normalized and we didn't have social media. I'm not going to say you should burn his CDs or renounce ever liking his music but for Pete sakes can we please stop making excuses for his abuse. The man has shown his face way to many times for you folks to still be stuck on the fact that he made "I believe I can fly."

[@TheCompanyMan]

BIG FAX. Thanks, LA. Imagine if social media was out then. We'd hate R Kelly's guts. Him and Michael Jordan...

[@giorgioatsoukalos3856]

If u have CDs in 2019 then I'd hope they r the first pressings and still in the plastic never opened.. otherwise u need to Deloris c Tucker that shit and steamroll your collection. CD collection in 2019 to me shows signs of a hoarder and your family should call A&E for an intervention..

[@giorgioatsoukalos3856]

But before everyone takes my humor to seriously then just Kno I fully support muting Robert Kelly..

[@BigSkippy95]

Love Jude and all, but he's being really narrow-minded towards the beginning of this discussion. I'm not going to accuse him of blaming the victim, but he seems to not understand that these women didn't go to the bathroom in buckets because they were weak willed, but because they were scared of R Kelly. I'm sure none of them wanted to do that, but they weighed the option of doing that against R Kelly physically assaulting them and they made their decision. While I understand Jude is making some kind of argument that if he was put in the same situation, he would refuse to stay in the room and deal with the consequences, that doesn't make everyone else wrong for not making that decision. Because they shouldn't have been put in that scenario at all.

[@kmc1994]

Yes. Im glad you're a man saying this because I was very close to commenting that men don't typically think this way...sadly they don't and that's why most male abusers get off. All the men around them protecting their display of masculinity and viewing women as senseless objects

[@dxtra9459]

@@kmc1994 please lol

[@rollinharder]

I dont even think they were scared of physical abuse I think it was more mental abuse by disappointing him cause of the control he had on them.

[@ansleyjukeboxxjoye884]

Thank you

[@WillieEarlSon]

Also as a man physically i have a better shot fighting a grown man. Jude honestly strike as one of them dudes that either goes against the grain just cause or he legit just slow. Like it ain’t hard to get the dude was messing with minors then keeping young ladies captive I’m not gonna support shit. He can eat a bag of dicks. I’d be curious if Jude would have the same response if he saw a 23yr old talking to his daughter at 16

[@harvident5703]

Some people are in denial but some people just tired of 2 weeks of R Kelly

[@MrKing8050]

Company man right on time for the weekend

[@TheCompanyMan]

Got another TBD dropping tomorrow. Then again on Monday.

[@andrewjohnstone7943]

R Kelly's streams went up because people couldn't remember who he was. Then they listened to his songs, hence the streams, then maybe they listened some more because it wasn't all bad, then they forgot why they were reminded of him

[@joycemcphatter1958]

Keel it coming we all have to live and a lot of people dont care about his personal life they like his music

[@abztraktt6403]

You a dam lie, dude is the GOAT. Nobody forgot who he was like nobody forgot who 2pac was

[@icebergslimtv6377]

What’s good Justin, where you been at homie

[@TheCompanyMan]

On a learning spree. Lots of perspective to share. How you been Iceberg?

[@icebergslimtv6377]

The Company Man Great, it’s good to see you back, looking forward to more great content!

[@victorwilson2209]

master p keep it 100

[@MattHall]

Have to admit that I lost it at "the pee pee tape", but I'm glad to see this discussion happening

[@TheCompanyMan]

Thanks Matt!

[@bryankelly335]

All these older interviews about R. Kelly that have been resurfacing recently are crazy .. People been calling him on his shit forever and it just slides out of that moment .. I just heard a DMX "Interview" where he was talking about Kelly in like 09' and I was just baffled by it .. All this shit is just sad as hell to me .. I just hope he get what he deserve NOW , man ...

[@fcchannel6162]

cause people didnt care back then that was when we didnt care what celebs was doing

[@dxtra9459]

Fuck that crack head DMX

[@gxtmfa]

DMX called it ASAP. Props to him.

[@Blaktimus]

Damn i'm not feeeling Jude in this at all..

[@ehaze]

nigga buggin lol

[@mrpockets]

ya'll got any more of them all out show clips

[@TheCompanyMan]

Yep. More coming next week.

[@Caliwayz831]

Listen to this episode live can't get enough good stuff Justin keep it up buddy

[@gregwhitenerel7846]

If you can teach a 5 year old not to take candy from strangers, how does a 14 year old not know to not get into a car with a 30 year old man? How are these girls not accountable to parents for their time? Yeah he's a pedo, but he didn't jump out the bushes and snatch em off the street. They chased the money and fame and y'all think that's an alibi. It's not.

[@gregwhitenerel7846]

@The Duke Once they found out and allowed it to happen, they were literally pimping their kids. They we're glad to get that bag.

[@kmc1994]

Yall trippin. In no world nowhere should children be held to such a standard of protecting themselves. THEY ARE CHILDREN. It is the adults job to protect children and do right by them. People like yall keep our environment harmful to children

[@Nomarandus]

@@kmc1994 Children? First off hes not a pedophile hes an ephebophile. I've said this before, ain't no way in HELL ONE man can have control over that many different black women and haven't had his dick cut off yet or have been stabbed at least 70xs All of the women he has had over the years eventually grew up, including his wife and shes waited NOW to act all sad and flustered?? Dont fall for the hype

[@gregwhitenerel7846]

@@kmc1994 people like you contribute to an irresponsible mindset among our people. I have two adult daughters myself and not for one second was I concerned that either would get into a relationship with a grown man before they were of age. They knew they had expectations for behavior. They knew better than to associate with unrelated grown men. They're both college educated scientists in their twenties. Responsibility is not a burden for children it's a tool for maturity and it builds character. It also relieves them of peer pressure and wildness when they know they have boundaries that can't be crossed. You send children out like sheep to the wolves when you give them freedom with no expectations. I'm sorry that you feel differently, but you're wrong. That's why that girl got knocked the fuck out in Asheville last week. Nobody taught her not to play with or otherwise engage with older men and she learned the hard way.

[@kmc1994]

@@gregwhitenerel7846 give me a fucking break!! I have a daughter too and of course im going to teach her to not associate with grown men, even grown men in her fucking family. I only trust her father. I dont even trust her grandfathers. So please save it! My point is at the end of the day ADULTS carry the weight of the repsonsibility. A young, responsible girl walking down the street can still be snatched up by an pedophile adult. This is about environment and rape culture. Hold abusers accountable arrogant dip shit. YOUR family's case isn't a broad stroke of the brush for everyone else's. This world is a big place with a alot of predators and terrible things happen to good people with good parents. Forget R Kelly and his victims for a moment

[@qusigh]

Missed those conversations with jude and justin

[@gv1554]

🎶Haters wanna hate, lovers wanna love🎶

[@dmaster5556]

DRIP DRIP DRIP

[@darkservantofheaven]

R. Kelly bout to record his new album Solitaire Chronicles Featuring tracks like I try so hard (don't drop the soap remix) Step into the hole Locked up, locked down featuring Tekashi Sixn9ne Me and Cliff Welcome to Death Row (a collaboration with Suge Knight )

[@TheCompanyMan]

Adam P. Murray 😂😂😂

[@norylopez7776]

OMG thank u for ur comment I can't stop laughing 😂😂😂

[@SecondTake123]

😂😂😂

[@lordklek4769]

This is a great podcast. I may just be a subscriber in the making.

[@MadBroseph]

Jude a lame for blindly doubting that statistic at the end

[@kmc1994]

Yea sorry not sorry but moments like that prove that a lot of the male population is garbage...no trust in even having a protector mentality. Just wants to question everything that favors a women's best interest OR the truth

[@Vendettadabeast]

And what's wrong with questioning everything to actually find the truth. He just can't take someone's word at face value, only an idiot blindly believes everything somebody eles tells them without physical or documented proof to back up the claim. Those that do blindly believe are nothing more than sheep.

[@tyroniussupapookiemcleroy1403]

Question everything

[@lacywilliams5649]

Justin is so much more intelligent, more insightful, and more compassionate than Jude. Jude just talks louder.

[@lopezdube9043]

I like the combination

[@MajorChoices]

I'm crying laughing at y'all miggas in that studio after ol boy Tokyo called in. Kellz ain't really guilty of the kind of stuff people trying to get him on and no real thoughtful man can clear cut prove he is seeking out adolescent girls out of some pure stupidity, it's just more complex and miggas is reaching and the refs need to blow the whistle these miggas is hacking, fouling.

[@lcalhoun62]

Good, fair conversation Justin!

[@TheCompanyMan]

laura calhoun 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@AdrianPerez-Wixl99er]

Much love you two! Keep up the awesome work!

[@TheCompanyMan]

Thank you!

[@jayrusso1589]

Justin is Kendrick Lamar's DAMN in your opinion rank amongst the best rap albums of all-time like top 15

[@TheCompanyMan]

lil mackwop i ain’t mad at that

[@jayrusso1589]

@@TheCompanyMan Justin in your opinion does DAMN rank as one of the best hip hop albums of all time

[@supervilliansvworld2010]

I don't believe the general public was in the dark. Everyone is outraged all of a sudden now?

[@420Ruger]

Wat up jus!!!

[@TheCompanyMan]

FG The Great! How's it going man!

[@420Ruger]

@@TheCompanyMan chillen brah, that R.kelly tho. Everyone out there didn't wonder why he called himself the Pied Piper of R&B and married Alliyah at the age of fifteen?? Wtf? Also Jude be killing me with that comment "shit in a bucket once shame on you, shit in bucket twice shame on me." LMAO 🤣🤣 🤣 I'm sorry I know it a serious subject but man I almost spit on someone laughing so hard.

[@TheCompanyMan]

HAHAHAHAHA!

[@christopherwashington2460]

if you say "things we're diffrent then" that only means you were scummy too tbh because there were enough people in the industry who didn't fuck with R Kelly before the tape because of rumors about him with young girls Edit: Glad to see more content from TCM💪💪

[@TheCompanyMan]

I don't necessarily agree with that. Tolerance evolves throughout the eras.

[@christopherwashington2460]

@@TheCompanyMan there was plenty of people who didn't fucked with R Kelly way before the tape came out like Dame Dash for example or DMX we're on record never messed with him

[@distinctlydri2831]

With Bill Cosby, the DA wouldn’t charge him so the victim sued civilly. A new DA came in before the statue of limitations ran out and filed the charges. The civil case helped.

[@tanyacampbell1634]

Where is the picture of the buckets????

[@enricco1174]

yo, Justin, first off, great video as always. just finished watching it and one thing that stood with me was the stretch in which one guy calls and says that R. Kelly would be dead already if he committed all of his crimes in another country. Jude responded well: "it depends on the country." and I add that it depends on your political ideology. here in Brazil, one of our most famous and acclaimed artists (even though I think he's nowhere near the level of artistry of another idiot here, but a very talented one, this one being Chico Buarque), the internationally-known Caetano Veloso, broke the virginity of a then 13-year-old girl at her birthday party. he was FORTY THREE YEARS OLD and she was THIRTEEN. this bizarre stuff is well-documented by the victim herself, Paula Lavigne, on her autobiography and on a 1998 interview with Playboy. the problem is Brazil's media, majorly leftist, doesn't seem to talk about it and Caetano tries and censor whoever talks about it. recently, he won a first instance lawsuit against a political analyzer who talked about it on Twitter. the main problem here is Lavigne is MARRIED to that motherfucking monster called Caetano Veloso, but yet still exposed him on her autobiography and on interviews. FURTHERMORE, she said on the same 1998 interview with Playboy that she had to ABORT, which means to commit a crime in Brazil, when she was 16 because she was pregnant with Veloso's child. do y'all find that normal?! so why's that? why doesn't the media talk about it? just because Caetano is a musical icon and a left-wing pedophile? Brazil's recently passing through a deep change on politics, with the first right-wing president being elected in three decades. we are known for our endemic corruption, but we are getting rid of the corrupt politicians day-by-day, but yet it doesn't seem Caetano Veloso will get punished for that, even though there are enough proofs to put his pedophile ass behind bars. my point is, big artists like Kelly and Caetano doesn't get punished because they divide opinions, with the left-wing media helping people support them and act like they have some Stockholm Syndrome or some shit like that. we know for a fact mainstream media likes to support criminals and punish good people, so that's not a big surprise, actually.

[@TheCompanyMan]

Just so I understand: The 43 year old and the13 year old are now married??? Was it an arranged marriage? Is this something prevalent or super common outside of the entertainment industry?

[@enricco1174]

@@TheCompanyMan Yes, Jus! It wasn't an arranged marriage though. He took her virginity when he was 43 years old and she was 13, and he impregnated her and forced her to commit abortion when she was 16 and they're now married, because somehow she was never bothered by those facts and neither was the media or Brazilian justice. Let me clarify that pedophilia is a heinous crime in Brazil, while abortion is considered murder here, except in anencephaly cases. Paula Lavigne didn't even have to forgive this monster. They just lived happily ever after, even though those absurdities he did to her are unforgivable for Brazil's public opinion. That is so outrageous, man. - To the other guy who commented about Brazil being on a turmoil, I agree. This shit messes up Brazil's national and international images. We faced the deepest economic and political crysis in our history because of corruption, and now we seem to be finally fighting against it, following Federal Police's Operation Car Wash, which uncovered and is punishing the responsibles for the biggest corruption scandal in human history on a daily basis.

[@enricco1174]

@@TheCompanyMan Ah, and to keep one thing straight: A 43 year old man abusing a 13 year old girl, impregnating her, making her abort the fetus and later on end up marrying her IS NOT normal in any areas and industries in Brazil and is 200% rejected by Brazilian people.

[@chinanumberone4193]

Forehead wars!!

[@TheCompanyMan]

Myles Slack 5head

[@Katastrophe9009]

If he's guilty of what he's accused of, screw his legacy, he deserves whatever he gets. Just because he makes great music doesn't mean he's incapable of being a monster.

[@andybrisman3330]

i think he is guilty but you cant try him for something he has already been tried for and you cant just make a movie and expect justice. sad world

[@KaisTestKitchen1]

Man Jude really has changed

[@tanyacampbell1634]

Sad how people want this man dead ??? This is crazy!!!

[@all4onw428]

I'm wondering if these last parents pushed the daughters on R.Kelly? Because my daughter would've said why would I want to see this old dude in concert eww.

[@user-dq4vt6ox1c]

As much as I try to be empathetic, I cant. I don't understand how these women (or anyone) can allow that type of stuff. If Selma Hayek, Scarlett Johanson, Alice Eve said to me "you can get with me and I'll take care of you, but you have to shit in a bucket and ask my permission to leave my presence." That's a solid no.

[@greenjurrell]

Buckets come on

[@plumjade4584]

Loretta Lynn married age 13 years old

[@rodneywilliams4565]

What gets me with this r Kelly story is there were no minors. Everyone has been fooled by the media. You really should revisit this story

[@oliverhernandez1236]

The dude Justin looks like a cool dude

[@NoKapprio]

Well this is crazy

[@tanyacampbell1634]

I agree with Master P

[@ianhenry6874]

It's fucking wild. This has been known for years but no one did anything about it.

[@rodneywilliams4565]

Dude, in that video r Kelly was asked "do you like teenage girls" r Kelly said how old because he likes young legal girls.

[@braysthedead9547]

yo r kelly is crazy and the people defending him need to wake up

[@fredlopez3295]

What most people dont factor in is the psychological aspect of this whole shit show. It's like when all these intelligent people join a cult. We ponder, how the fuck do all these people get sucked into such a crazy scenario? It's very complicated to answer that question here in these comments. But it's a complex situation to say the least. We lack empathy as a society. Which means put urself in their situation. Really hard to do in this instance.

[@TheCompanyMan]

Well said. Thank you, frank.

[@shariecebrewster5962]

A agree

[@Dukesucks]

Throw R. Kelly under the jail. That is all.

[@shariecebrewster5962]

Where was the parents was the parents when this happened to them

[@MajorChoices]

D.umb J.oke: Kellz boutta drop a album called The R. On The Run... Full of musical classics jabbing his detractors in rare form! Da Joint gonna go platty! Major conquest for Kellz! Hahaha...

[@TheCompanyMan]

MajorChoices Miggas he already dropped a 21 minute confession!!!

[@dukenastee3521]

I feel if you gotta control somebody, that ain't love. And if you take advantage of somebody who can't defend themselves or isn't old enough to make their own decisions, you're a fucked up human being.💯 #FUCKKELLS

[@MrMsal1984]

These commercial brakes are poorly placed. Jude: it's really hard to leave an a abusive relationship, it gets to a point where *Taco Bell invites you to...

[@hateisasignofenvy651]

Theres so much forehead in this video 🤣

[@tylerlacroix6036]

Idk if its just me, but jude seems like he might be on a bit of ketomine or was the previous day or something, cuz it seems like he has a real tough time gathering his thoughts and speaking, but maybe he's just tired or something.

[@Gattsu83]

15:08; I do not agree with the woman's definition of sexual predator. That sounds more pedophile when someone preys upon children in specific where a predator preys upon anyone they feel they can get sexually like in prison. Bigger prisoners will prey upon smaller men or women will prey upon someone they feel they can get. A big cat will prey upon anything they feel that they can take down indiscriminately.

[@shariecebrewster5962]

No body for the clown out there's, ever everybody's need ro go to jail with him

[@WillieEarlSon]

Take away R.Kelly’s music and let’s just say you watching the news and they say a 50 ye old male kept women captive and had child porn on his computer. Y’all go be like “well what job did he have. ?” No you go try to bury his ass

[@SecondTake123]

They are going after R. Kelly's money! I think the only crime they can get him on now is he may have Women living in his Chicago studio and it's not zoned for Residential. R. Kelly is a creep and should have been in jail but people just wanted him to keep making music since he was making them money.

[@jackiefadalla5043]

When i was 14 me to sexually active to i was abuse by my brother but i was sleeping with older man

[@shariecebrewster5962]

😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊

[@jackiefadalla5043]

I don't believe hafe the story but not all i don't think he a monster but i do believe believe everyone found out about one othere then get mad

[@studiomansion7942]

Dreams "Friend" must not be that close to her. Or, he would have read that FRONT PAGE ARTICLE Dream wrote PRAISING R. KELLY back in the day. That dude's simping for 🌮. He doesn't really care.

[@dxtra9459]

Blah blah Turn up R. Kelly!

[@victorwilson2209]

that white man what to be black

[@shariecebrewster5962]

A agree