William Lane Craig | The Ben Shapiro Show Sunday Special Ep. 50

William Lane Craig, philosopher, theologian, and best selling author of numerous books including "On Guard: Defending Your Faith With Reason And Precision," joins Ben to discuss the hard sciences vs. philosophy, the cosmological and ontological arguments, Jesus, slavery, gay marriage, and much more.
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[@RichLuciano1]

Ben: It feels like the resurrection is not interesting to me. WLC: Facts don't care about your feelings.

[@RobbDepp]

Yes!

[@appalachiahiker853]

Richard Luciano 😂😂😂 Hahah Indeed bro

[@WilliamBrownGuitar]

How could he possibly uninterested in something that, if true, would affect his entire worldview and eternal salvation? Ben, who is an intelligent guy (understatement) seems to be in some sort of serious cognitive dissonance here.

[@aprescienceofhumor7977]

The cost benefit analysis seems to be not worth the risk. Ben is happily orthodox and community, tradition, history, and family is too high a price to risk seriously entertaining Christianity may be true. Jesus did not come to rescue thise that think they are healthy, but the sick and those who know and struggle with their sin...

[@ThatReadingGuy28]

That’s so great!!

[@StevenBancarz]

This is unbelievable. What a win for the Kingdom having this man on.

[@EfisioCross]

Steven Bancarz ❤️

[@glennjohn3919]

Hi Steven, I'm curious if you consider yourself a Calvinist?

[@StevenBancarz]

@@glennjohn3919 I don't no :)

[@glennjohn3919]

@@StevenBancarz awesome.

[@GreekOrthodox7]

@@StevenBancarz Your videos are such a blessing, man! God bless you and we all praise Him for revealing Jesus Christ to you!

[@michaelfthomas8846]

I can't believe that one of Ben's strongest responses to the evidence being revealed/explained to him was that it "doesn't interest him" 😂😂😂that's hilarious

[@Foxie770]

He is simply saying that talking around in circles when there is no resolution is an exhausting task he’s not interested in.

[@seththomas267]

The facts don’t care about his feelings.

[@paulv7554]

Shapiro definitely believes the Gospel writers were writing works of fiction. Hope Ben's eyes get opened soon.

[@kolbywilliams7234]

@@Foxie770 Bringing up both biblical and non-biblical historical sources, as well as other relevant historical facts, as evidence for Jesus and the resurrection is not talking in circles.

[@kolbywilliams7234]

That’s what happens whenever someone starts an argument and has no rebuttal.

[@natebozeman4510]

This is one of the first times I have ever seen Ben Shapiro get genuinely bested in a debate (and I'm specifically referring to when they were talking about Jesus of Nazareth, and the evidence for His resurrection). Craig is truly exceptional.

[@fr.Angel21]

Ben Shapiro says "I find these historical evidence uninteresting", that is where he lost.

[@aricardocanales]

It wasn’t a debate. Ben Shapiro didn’t want to use his argumental muscle, he just let the guy express the answers as he pleases…

[@Dan16673]

​@@fr.Angel21 thats code for f8ck you got me. Even though Craig is wrong also all this religions stuff is gibberish

[@LiveWatched]

Nate you didn't use your ears brother, Ben was positing arguments from the devils advocate perspective. Keep up the good work though, these videos will inform you better.

[@masonwilkinson5922]

@@LiveWatched He was definitely not posting arguments from the devil's advocate perspective. These 2 a clearly on opposite sides of the argument and Ben was literally unable oppose his opponents arguments. Ben doesn't often get bested in a debate but in this case its kind of hard to win a debate when your not on the side of truth. That is why he lost this one.

[@michaelpisciarino5348]

0:23 *Welcome Dr. William Lane Craig* 1:37 _Why is there such a decline in religious belief in The West?_ 3:03 “Why should you get up in the dark and the cold to worship someone you don’t think is there?” 4:06 Nietzsche, “God is Dead”, Enlightenment sweeps away The Church 5:25 Faith backed by reason • A Renaissance of Christian Belief In Philosophy 7:40 What is the most reasonable proof of God? *The Cosmological Argument* (8:18) 1. Whatever begins to exist has a cause 2. The Universe began to exist 3. Therefore, The Universe has a cause *The Moral Argument* (9:18) (1) If God does not exist, then objective moral values do not exist (2) Objective moral Values exist (3) Therefore, God Exists 10:12 Objections/Response to The Cosmological Argument 11:55 Objections/Response to The Morality Argument 13:32 What are the strongest objections to God? Build a Steelman. Where are your objectors the strongest in their objections? 14:46 _ZipRecruiter_ 15:46 Bertrand Russell *The External Transcendent Cause Argument* (16:03) 1. Everything that exists has an explanation of its existence either in necessity of its own nature or an external cause 2. If the Universe has an explanation of its existence, then its explanation is a Transcendent external cause 3. The Universe Exists Cn: Therefore, The Universe has a Transcendent external cause 17:25 Quantum Mechanics, Quantum Vaccum *The Ontological Argument* (19:13) 1. That than which nothing greater can be thought not only exists in the mind but in the real world 2. God is that than which nothing greater can be thought Cn. God Exists 21:22 Maximally Great Island 23:12 What makes God a Constant vs a Clockmaker (Deism) God necessarily exists. Can’t cease to exist. 25:23 Aquinas and Aristotle. _Athens And Jerusalem_ 26:00 Monotheism. *_Who Was Jesus?_* 28:47 Judaism On Jesus 32:00 Religio-Historical Context (1) Jesus tomb was discovered empty (2) Seen walking around after (1) (3) The Disciples believed he had been risen from the dead 36:15 Babba turabi (?) 37:17 “Good evidence doesn’t become bad evidence just because of the lapse of time” 38:25 The Necessity for Judaeo-Christian Revelation. Why a Personal God? - Atonement For Sin - Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice for Mankind 42:45 Craig’s 1st Debate. Craig’s rematch debate 44:03 *Problem of Evil* 😈 Intellectual and Emotional Suffering 46:00 The Evils of The Bible Indentured Servitude/Slavery, an Anti-Poverty program 49:10 _Divine Command Theory_ Divorce? 51:55 It is grounded in The Creation Story. 54:00 Relativism and Objectivity 55:25 Jordan Peterson 57:20 Reeducating Religion 58:49 What made you religious William?

[@OrangeBlue-ir5rf]

First like

[@vikasparashar9238]

Wonderful

[@JCATG]

Wow! Thank you so much for this!

[@JCATG]

@Jack Richardson So that makes you informed as an unbeliever? What a dumbass.

[@tysonhawk5437]

Wow. Thanks!

[@xJessiGirlProx]

I love how chill and respectful Craig is in this conversation. He has a conviction but he’s not so overly passionate that it puts anyone off.

[@laurabaylessjohnson6749]

So right

[@orangemango1492]

​@@laurabaylessjohnson6749You're exactly right.

[@ronaldsmith6829]

Quite so, and Ben is typically dismissive and arrogant.

[@matiastorres9849]

there's people that like it, and there's people who doesn't, no need to be passive aggressive

[@joenuevo]

He has both conviction and passion. He just understands how to interact with people that disagree with him, a skill that is increasingly rare in our society.

[@MB-vl2sz]

Lol, you can tell how happy Craig is to be talking to someone who actually understands him and knows the language of his philosophical work

[@Sunshine-is_here_to_stay]

👉👉👉#BenShapiro has the audacity to say: "I find this not interesting." 😒🙄😡 SERIOUSLY?!? Ben doesnt want to listen to anything that goes against his preconceived notions. #SHAMEFUL 👉"He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, It is folly and shame unto him." (Proverbs 18:13) 💟🙏✝️

[@davidhenry1156]

@@Sunshine-is_here_to_stayBut he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.James 4:6 I pray that Ben would allow the gospel to regenerate his heart and be born again.He would be an excellent witness for the Lord Jesus Christ.

[@lampkin9287]

I agree Ben’s pride showed up in the subject about the proof for Christ being raised…those you are knowledgeable about the objects to the scriptures on these claims know that…they who disbelieve Jesus don’t understand their position!

[@gwynnfox9767]

@@Sunshine-is_here_to_stay You didnt listen carefully. You were the one with preconceived notions so the moment you heard that statement, you instantly took it out of context (it would take a whole essay for me to explain it, and i doubt youd read my whole essay, so it would be better if you just rewatch it again with an open mind *and I hope you do). Im an agnostic BTW but DR. Craig did defended Christian faith with reason and precision here, just as his books title claimed.

[@vincer7824]

Yeah, he got happy when Ben mentioned Tertullian.

[@nathanbryant1149]

Ben, I doubt you will ever see this comment, but you are truly an incredible thinker and talk show host. Your ability to stay calm and collected and to let Dr. Craig speak, and finish his thoughts, is absolutely unheard-of in this day and age. I'm entirely of Dr. Craig's viewpoint here, but I'm just incredibly thankful for your professionalism and thoughtfulness in this discussion.

[@MollerFarm]

If Ben were an incredible thinker, I would hope he learns from his interviews and not just ask questions. I find Ben to not venture down paths that make him uncomfortable. Humility, instead, would be a much more appealing quality. Praying for him to see the truth.

[@franklynch9054]

I was about to say the same. He is not constantly interrupting and spewing contempt as so many do.

[@uncatila]

Ben is a fast talking dodger

[@Rhenadhis]

Unheard of? Which content do you consume? Tom and Lisa Bilyeu (Impact Theory), Steven Bartlett(Diary of a CEO), Kojo (lbb91) among many others interview people and actually listen without interrupting

[@ENFPerspectives]

Absolutely

[@thebiblepiano1866]

Wow... thank you very much Ben for having William Lane Craig!!!

[@jeffrourke2322]

Jochuhyulo Jo Tsela what a crazy surprise right!?

[@nagaseminarian]

Cool- good things happening!

[@bensontan9301]

I know a person who is not a vegan who said people are not more valuable/superior, than other animals. An when I pointed out, he doesn’t even believe his own view for he eats meat and therefore he eats other animals, he said lions eat other animals but that doesn’t mean lions are more superior than the animals they eat animals to survive, but that doesn’t mean lions are more valuable/superior to the animals they eat. He then said humans are not more valuable superior than other animals even if we eat them, and said to me if you say humans are more valuable/superior than animals because we can do things or make things animals can’t do or make and because we are more intelligent than other animals and we are on top of the food chain and implement our will on them and control/rule them you’re speaking just like the Nazis and using the logic the Nazis use to say they were more superior to the Jews because, they said Germans are more intelligent than Jews, Germans can make things Jews can’t make, and do things Jews can’t do, and Germans are on top of the social order and they can implement their will on Jews and rule over and control Jews, you're not much different from the Nazis he told me, you know what I can say to defend myself against him, and people like him?

[@wawuglio]

Benson Tan Humans are superior to animals because we are not animals. We are a species that is capable of understanding morality. Animals understand survival. That is the basis of all their behaviors. Hitler was motivated by his misguided sense of aryan superiority. A lion doesn't think it's superior to an elephant. It merely thinks that if it could somehow take an elephant down it will have enough meat yo survive a while longer.

[@SH-kz4fl]

WLC might be one of the greatest debaters alive in terms of pure debate skill whether you agree with him or not.

[@curlygirlwrites]

Now THIS is how two people with differing beliefs and opinions have a dialog. Absolutely beautiful. Thank you.

[@bigworldddd9566]

Hear, hear!!

[@tifftalks6597]

Thank you. I've had an atheists tell me that christians are irrational for believing in the God of the bible, but Ben Shapiro is a rational, good debater; who believes in the God of the old testament. Atheists like these are insufferable and arrogant, in my opinion.

[@vvanderer]

In many ways their beliefs are complementary and aligned Jews don't think Christians are going to hell. And by no means all Christians want to convert the Jews. I think most thinking people of faith prefer a God fearing person to an atheist.

[@tifftalks6597]

@@vvanderer The definition of a Christian is a person who follows Christ's teachings. "For God so loved the world that he gave his only son so that whoever believes in him will not perish but have everlasting life" - John 3:16 that doesn't exclude Jews, Atheists, anyone. "He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation."-Mark 16:15 I get where you coming from. Eternal damnation is so harsh that it seems crazy that any person could stomach that Idea, but Christ gave us another option. The Idea that I can forgive others the way christ forgave me gives us a direct relationship with God, and a platform to have unconditional love for others. Death has no power or sting for people in christ. True christians want to spread that. not just gum drops and gummybear theology.

[@vvanderer]

@@tifftalks6597 indeed Joy what you say makes sense :) Personally I'm not a Christian. My view of my own personal salvation is based on right thought word and deed, with a large spoonful of self examination and repentance. And I need hardly aďd, sincere humility.

[@thelightsthatblink]

I love the glow in William Lane Craig’s face when he begins talking about the love of Jesus Christ. Jesus’ words still stagger me today as much as they did when I first read them. His words are so wise, convicting and loving. I’m still blown away by his great love for a sinner like me. I’m very thankful that Ben Shapiro would be so welcoming.

[@oksiek8256]

This has been such a refreshing listen. More talks on Jesus and the Bible is what is needed in this time that we are living. Thanks for doing this interview Ben Shapiro!

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

Why?

[@user-rd8ox1mw5q]

Because we are living in the end times, everybody must return to their creator and repent to their sins.

[@DannyBoy777777]

​@@user-rd8ox1mw5qLoon

[@cathygray3467]

Amen

[@deathchronicles6960]

Yes even satan knows who jesus is even calling him "son of God".

[@toddsher2112]

Wonderful. A Jewish commentator and a Christian philosopher sitting casually and having a conversation about life, the universe, and everything. I wish we had this sort of civility in American politics, where fellow earthlings could sit in love and compassion and understanding and just converse with patience and with an ear, mind, and heart aimed at understanding each other. Great discussion, thank you gentlemen.

[@vvanderer]

It will come again. Maybe Mr Trump is the laxative the American nation needed.

[@dangoodwin5954]

Bill Simmons, Bigoted, antisemitic racist. Pathetic insecure basement dwellers who lash out at people in racist, antisemitic fashion are the most despised lagging stocks in all of society. Do get professional help in the hopes that one day you might be a positive productive member of society.

[@lechatbotte.]

This is honest discussion. I believe Ben is actually one seeking to know what others think and he’s looking for answers. This speaks to his faith. Jesus was Jesus the first Christians were Jewish. See acts for when this term began to be used. Jews are looking for messiah, but they missed him then as now because they looked for an earthly savior.

[@Sophia-tf6yi]

@Bill Simmons Both are "Jewish." William Lane Craig was born to a Jewish family and later converted to Christianity. Ben Shapiro was born to a Jewish family also, although his nose is 100% NW, East European and he looks Turkic.

[@zac3392]

TJ Sheridan Leftist ideology is increasingly based on emotion, which doesn’t usually withstand rational discussion... sadly thus the riots and incoherent shrillness

[@jaebee9308]

Ben- when you asked him to tell his personal conversion story- My heart jumped. Thank you for being a man of integrity. Giving him that platform, though you don't agree that Jesus was the promised Messiah, was a class move and did a good that you can't yet imagine.

[@samanthasowell6350]

He's had so many men like this on recently that I'm not sure if he's unknowingly trying to help other people to Jesus.....or if the seeds planted in Ben's heart are starting to sprout out looking for more light.

[@drewwilson7005]

Agree

[@jackh.6217]

Good question

[@nateschlosser3806]

I think he realizes that he can expand his conservative audience by appealing to Christians which are the majority of the conservative party. @@samanthasowell6350

[@doomslayer5191]

Perhaps Ben wanted to hear WHY Christian's faith. in The Messiah.

[@LetJesusTouchUrLife]

THIS WAS BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!!!! Dr. Craig's testimony of salvation made my spirit rejoice and my eyes tear up. Oh how our God is good and mighty to save!!!!!!

[@laurabaylessjohnson6749]

Me too!! ❤

[@orangemango1492]

Time stamp?

[@LetJesusTouchUrLife]

@@orangemango1492I would start at 58:20! :)

[@vanessashimoni6548]

This was an erudite, meaningful conversation. I’m an Orthodox Jew, this is the first time listening to Dr Craig and I found him interesting and knowledgeable. It’s good to listen to intelligent, articulate people even if we don’t agree with some of their views.

[@mark123ministries]

WLC is shockingly bright and truly a blessing to Christians. All glory to Jesus Christ...God Bless

[@mypublicchannel3884]

Actually, he's a total moron.

[@eliasbarrasa7320]

Dd S The Bible talks about the water cycle the round earth hanging on nothing The fact the earth spins Deep sea springs Germ theory The possibility of space travel and lots of other stuff not discovered till much later. The Bible Predicts the future The formation of Israel in one day The destruction of the temple in Jerusalem and the scattering of the Jews. Cyrus and what he'd do. The life of Jesus and what He'd do. For instance His . Betrayel and rejection by the Jews death in detail His ressurection The fact that He'd make the whole world worship the God of the Jews. Who has always been a trinity The unseen LORD the angel of the LORD and The Spirit of the LORD. I've seen God change even hardened criminals lives God changed my life. Just like the bible says. The Bible is true it even predicts your hatred Bc nonbelievers always hate on the real God for no reason other than that they recognize and hate their creator I'm sad for you cuz if you'd just believe in Jesus your hatefilled heart would change. I hope one day you understand that Jesus the person you hate so much is actually the only one who truly loves you.

[@torahislife]

Oh please. WLC is a running joke outside of Christian circles...

[@INFINITEMODIFICATIONS]

@@eliasbarrasa7320 Lol the bible predicted germ theory huh? Everything you just stated is a lie.

[@eliasbarrasa7320]

J Long Round Earth Isaiah 40:22 Water cycle Isaiah 55:10-11 & Job 36:27-28 Psalm 135:7 God hung the earth on nothing Job 26:7 Spinning earth causes day and night they used to rotate or spin a seal unto clay to imprint it. And here it says morning is caused just like that. Job 38:12-14 Deep sea Springs Job 38:16 Germ theory Numbers 19:18 use of antiseptic to cleanse one who was unclean. Numbers 19:20 laws of quarantine. Leviticus 13:52 active pathogens burned with fire. Leprosy had a broad scope ranging from pimples to the disease we know of today. Leviticus 11-15 stay away from vultures and certain insects. Stay away from corpses and carcasses Shave all your hair wash his clothes bathe in water and be clean. You're unclean if you were around them look at the washing in running water. The burning of persistent stains the washing of clothes of people who were in contact with the infected the cleaning of the objects. The quarantine of unclean infected people Leviticus 15:31 all these rules so that MY people God says wouldn't die in their uncleaness. Isaiah 66: 8 Israel being established in one day May 14,1948 that happened when the U.N. declared Israel a nation and A lot of Jews flooded back to Israel from all around the Globe. Mark 13:1-2 Luke 21 Matthew 24 The destruction of the temple these were all written around 60 A.D. 10 years or so b4 the Fullfilment in AD70 Isaiah 7 and 9 say the messiah would be God b4 the doctrine came to be Isaiah 49 52 and 53 Jesus being the one to bring salvation to the ends of the earth the Crucifixion of Jesus in detail and the doctrine of substitutionary atonement that brought salvation and the worship of the God of Israel to the gentiles. Christianity spreading all over the world from the death of Jesus. Isaiah was written 800 years b4 this happened. Nothing I said is a lie If your just honest with yourself look at these facts study the bible In fact I challenge u to try and disprove it some of the most brilliant Athiests have tried to disprove the bible and end up becoming Christians. Christianity is the truth and I want you on our side Believe in Jesus God died on the cross for our sins to take us to Heaven forever for free and came back from the dead to prove it to us if you believe God took you to Heaven by dying for you you go to heaven forever as I showed you above there is plenty of reason to trust the Bible so you shouldn't have to wait to trust in Jesus just trust him now

[@bloodbought1162]

I'm praying that you come to faith in Christ Mr. Shapiro! Thank you for having Christians on your show.

[@chad969]

Hi, could I ask you a bible question?

[@bloodbought1162]

Chad Ellis for sure, go ahead

[@chad969]

bloodbought 116 Thanks, so in Hebrews 7:27, 10:11-12&18, we're taught that Jesus is the final sin offering, and Romans 6:10 says that he died to sin once and for all. But in Ezekiel 45 (a prophecy which has yet to be fulfilled) we're told in verse 22 that the prince is to provide a bull as a sin offering for himself and for all the people of the land. Is Jesus the prince? If so, why would he need to provide a sin offering on behalf of his sinless self? Also, why would any sin offering need to take place if Jesus' death on the cross was the final sin offering?

[@holylandfan3275]

@Chad Ellis The high priest was the only one that could enter the temple room of the Holy of Holies. He entered and pulled the veil behind him. This room was considered the closest to God in the temple and only the high priest could enter. He was to offer the bullock, without spot or blemish. Other people offered various other animals, depending, on basically, a position. Jesus, the Prince, The High Priest, offered Himself without spot or blemish. His own blood to God. That's the reason when Jesus died on cross, the veil was ripped in the temple. Jesus is now our only way to God, The Father, and the ultimate sacrifice To God.

[@chad969]

HolyLand Fan Hi thanks for the input. Is Ezekiel 45 talking about past events or future events?

[@tanyaandtheark]

I'm a Christian, have been watching Ben and the Daily Wire crew for years now. I'm grateful that they not only have guests like Mr Craig on but they engage in respectful and insightful conversations with them.

[@rachelchristudoss4600]

Love the way Craig shares the gospel and his own testimony; calm, confident, friendly. Admire the mutual respect they show each other even when they don't agree on certain things. Prayers for Ben's salvation :)

[@deathchronicles6960]

Craig knows well he may not sucess deliver the spirit of jesus the only way to eternity but he knows there are audience who are willing to open heart to listen and see the truth

[@dustindodson3014]

Love Dr. Craig!!! His ministry played an important role in my conversion to Christianity.

[@MeanOldLady]

@@nateschlosser3806 - How much time can someone waste on vain, materialistic pursuits before putting a gun to his head out of nihilistic despair?

[@nateschlosser3806]

@@MeanOldLady I wouldn't know the answer to that question, but based on the general atmosphere of things, I'd be willing to guess quite a lot. I'm a minimalist myself.

[@evanpaulsmithfalconfogolin6147]

@@nateschlosser3806 What is your stance on god?

[@nateschlosser3806]

Hi Evan, my stance is that God is the center of all things and that the word of God is made manifest and observable through natural law. That is not to confuse the divinely gifted reason inherent in natural law with the narrative of modern scientism which seems to me just as dogmatic as any religion. I don't think one could separate themselves from God if they made it their life's sole ambition. They still couldn't separate themselves from God. @@evanpaulsmithfalconfogolin6147

[@denniswilkerson5536]

@@nateschlosser3806 Hell is seperation from God, so when you love your sin and make it your lifestyle, when we come to pass that's where we'll be headed

[@Crivera1983]

As much as I love Ben Shapiro...boy oh boy...he met his match with William L Craig. As a Messianic Jew I was so proud of Dr. Craig.

[@efraimcooper5936]

Oy you fell for the bait..

[@kedduff1814]

Efraim Cooper Try the bait, the hook is amazing.

[@efraimcooper5936]

@@kedduff1814 ha. I'm fine with Legitimate Judaism.

[@efraimcooper5936]

@@JM-jj3eg is it? Because I'm pretty sure that Jesus and his followers were Pharisees as well

[@petetriago4633]

@Christian Rivera Both your names do not sound Jewish. Were you born Jewish?

[@science_forthewin8545]

I have never heard of Dr Craig. But listening to this conversation, he seems like such a wholesome person. Loved listening to him. Praying the Father uses him mightily.

[@deathchronicles6960]

He said it as it is... And we can feel him from where he is coming

[@oitpyc2965]

Oh he's such a brilliant and warm person. He puts out some incredible work all for public benefit.

[@neilsocarras6244]

Love it! Finally someone speaking, the actual gospel and putting out the truth. There’s only one way and one solution to our worlds problems, and that is through Jesus!

[@deathchronicles6960]

Yeah your right plain and simple to accept that jesus only the way to GOD for eternity..

[@Apologia5]

Respect to Ben for letting Craig share his views and evidences for Jesus on his show even though he disagrees with them

[@royardianto]

That's a free speech and tolerance in action

[@modernvintagelifestyles]

@@krek.44 read Isaiah 53.

[@OrangeBlue-ir5rf]

@@krek.44 Immaculate conception is a Catholic only claim. Virgin birth? If one already believes in an omnipotent God, why would that be irrational? Mystical powers, such as? Don't have to be a Christian to believe in Jesus' death. Resurrection? Where do I even start with the evidence...

[@modernvintagelifestyles]

@@krek.44 my mistake. I did assume you were Jewish.

[@OrangeBlue-ir5rf]

@@krek.44 W.L. Craig is not Catholic. Duh. Also, it's obvious that you don't know what the Catholic belief of "immaculate conception" actually refers to. Hint: It doesn't refer to the conception of Jesus. I'll let you do the research. You originally stated that Ben, as a Jew, is doing a "disservice to the Jewish community by not challenging Christian claims such as..." Since Ben is the one doing the questioning, from his perspective, there's no real reason to question the virgin birth, since Ben believes in a God with the exact same powers as the Christian God. Lastly, Craig is making arguments for the existence of the God of the Bible (as well as Jesus, of course). If you conclude that his arguments here are correct and that the God of the Bible does indeed exist and that Jesus did indeed come to earth as both fully God and fully man, there's no need to prove virgin birth, how those "mystical powers" led to miracles, and how resurrection would've occurred from a biological perspective (Craig already gives historical evidence for the resurrection of Jesus).

[@alexm7014]

The most ambitious crossover event since infinity war

[@WarriorPoetSociety]

Alex Mirage hahahaha

[@appalachiahiker853]

Alex Mirage 😂😂😂😂👍👍👍

[@djangozaqwwqewegf6196]

You have poor taste in human beings

[@EfisioCross]

Alex Mirage 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@turtle5173]

DjangoZaqwwqewegf619 By saying that means?

[@WCGOLD27NZ]

Thank you Ben for introducing me to Bill Craig. What an amazing human. And I enjoyed Ben’s hosting and interview skills on display in this interview. Great stuff

[@willrosch3627]

Love Dr. Craig and Ben, truly love that Dr. Craig doesn’t shy away from the evidence for Christ to Ben. I pray that Ben one day accepts Jesus as the Christ.

[@mitchellg1412]

As a Christian I think these two are great were there at . I'ma look into the Jewish bible myself.

[@katec6095]

Same

[@chicomalo3654]

SSPX

[@yearight1205]

Wow The Daily Wire is hardcore stepping up it's game lately with who they are getting on, William Lane Craig is awesome! Keep it up Daily Wire!!!!

[@johnvirgilio5323]

I know. First, I was hit with Stephen C Meyers, then WLC. I know there's been others. I like Ben a lot, for this.

[@gunner23]

Woah Ben, thank you so much for having WLC on. He is largely responsible for my conversion to Christianity.

[@sfgox10]

Sad sheep.

[@epiceveryday7427]

thanks for sharing that. amazing. this was such a good conversation!

[@frankwhelan1715]

LOTS of words but no evidence,(from Craig)

[@Kaymen1980]

At least you know who to blame when the penny drops

[@richardwilliamjohnson8566]

@@sfgox10 yet here you are.

[@michaelmiller-hr6vz]

I can only imagine what it must be like to have such a fantastic memory, a capacity for understanding wisdom, and a tremendous grasp of language. The fact that this guy is a Christian is stupendous!

[@sosbwc]

I love that with all the big words, thoughts, and questions that Dr. Craig's testimony was at it highest level of childlike understanding and joy. It made me cry because when God places His joy inside our hearts we all as His children experience that same feeling it is like a birth, a rebirth, a being born again by the power of the Holy Spirit! Hallelujah!!!❤

[@loganbothwell543]

Unless you receive God, as a little child, you will never find his greatness!

[@chicomalo3654]

SSPX

[@mattmiller237]

I've been wanting Rogan to have a respected Christian on and specifically thought about Craig. Hopefully, being on Shapiro might open that pathway up...

[@missapk]

I quit Rogan - I'm not nearly as impressed w him as he is of him. Ridicules free thinkers but loves Soros...muh.

[@FuckFascistYouTube]

Craig is respected? Yikes

[@randomuser6306]

@@FuckFascistKZbin Very much so. By all the leading atheists, which is why they debate him. Among random KZbin commenters, ymmv.

[@mattmiller237]

I've wanted Ben to have Dr Michael Brown on as well to give counter thoughts from a Jewish perspective....

[@lukebeaulieu3794]

I think Ravi would fair well with Rogan. I think it would be painful with Craig.

[@peterpehlivan157]

I instantly clicked on this when I saw it. William Lane Craig is a fascinating person; I'm so grateful Ben got him on.

[@BRNRDNCK]

Austin Martín Hernandez Name a problem with one of his arguments. Your comment is meaningless.

[@Kaymen1980]

@@BRNRDNCK The ontological for starters

[@Kaymen1980]

@J w A -theist- thief thinks everyone steals..

[@BRNRDNCK]

J Ovesen Name which premise is incorrect.

[@Kaymen1980]

@@BRNRDNCK The fact that I am thinking of a being that can do everything Craig's being can do, but it can do it without existing.

[@temsumongbajamir1582]

William Lane Craig is a brilliant man, someone to be really admired

[@John-FourteenSix]

One of the best interviews and cases for the Gospel of Jesus I’ve ever seen on KZbin. God Bless you.

[@arttyree4504]

I salute Ben Shapiro for interviewing good spokespersons for Christianity, including Dr. Craig. Ben asks intelligent and relevant questions, making his program credible and enjoyable.

[@crispy9175]

I just wish that he didn't suddenly become 'un-interested in the topic' when all of his points were refuted. His heart is certainly hardened.

[@nietzsche1991]

I am very excited to see WLC on this show. He is awesome.

[@drew2fast489]

He is, Jake!

[@TwoKrows]

What a beautiful interview. Here are two of my favourite thinkers in one interview.

[@mitchellg1412]

Mine to .

[@laurabaylessjohnson6749]

As I listened to Dr.Craig's testimony, I cried tears of joy and gratitude. Every Christian testimony is as unique as the person, but they all have that same power- every believer knows! When he described the balloon of joy, I recalled my own experience which I have described as God "squeezing my heart." It was both gentle and powerful. The love is overwhelming and indescribable. I have followed William Lane Craig since I was a student at Biola 20+ years ago, and enjoyed his debates. I love how he makes intelligent arguments and displays how Christianity doesn't require you check your brain at the door; rather, we can present solid historical, philosophical, and moral arguments with skeptics. But I love how he "brings it home" with his personal story. That is the closing argument. This is a brilliant example of how to evangelize respectfully. I love how Dr. Craig was respectful of Ben and his perspective as an orthodox Jew. I love both these men and pray they continue to lead people to the Truth.

[@rhandley1000]

Of the many amazing attributes of Dr. Craig, I am more impressed everyday with his demeanor - he is ALWAYS a gentleman

[@rhandley1000]

@Daulton Horton lol

[@michaelwill7811]

@Daulton Horton Agreed. There are several running in here serial insulting people, which of course, does very little to bring people over to their side. Deep seated anger tends to have that affect.

[@rhandley1000]

I read the article and I will admit I was a bit skeptical (no pun intended). I expected to read speculation and opinion, but the article does cite a scholarly research paper with proper citations and references. So, I was wrong.Interesting article and paper.....

[@rubennathaniel2107]

@Dd S i think this guy are one of em

[@davidbagley1783]

Like a salesman

[@henroda1]

Nearly crapped myself when I saw the notification

[@jaydee4777]

Yep. Me too

[@tan1591]

Can anyone explain who he is? Why everyone is exited about it?

[@henroda1]

@@tan1591 he is a well known theologian/philosopher. Up there with ravi zacharias and the like

[@tan1591]

TheScream oh cool.

[@adamduarte895]

@@henroda1 Bruh he's the top Christian Philosopher even greater than Ravi.

[@AISciFiStories]

I had the privilege to discuss the gospel with Dennis Prager last summer. He refused to accept atonement being mentioned in Leviticus, and he was very proud that he and Shapiro lead so many to Jesus. Even though they don’t believe in him as the messiah. Dennis, love the guy, this interview reminds me of Dennis’ face when we spoke biblical truth that directly challenged his worldview. And like Ben. Dennis was silent. And didn’t have a proper retort. It’s amazing how proud the Jewish people are. I mean it’s historically evident how proud they are. And it’s their biggest stumbling block.

[@laurabaylessjohnson6749]

My favorite part of Craig's argument, the mic drop moment, for me is 37:03 when he says: "I doubt this man's tomb is empty." (responding to argument that another Messianic figure has followers who claim he's still alive) 😁 BOOM! (Craig's smile is his confidence.) The best argument for Jesus's divinity is his resurrection from the dead because it proved he was Who he said he was! It's not just that He claimed to be Messiah, but that He ALSO claimed to be Son of Man prophesied by Daniel, and God vindicated him by His resurrection! The empty tomb is the validation. That POWER is in no other name but Jesus of Nazareth

[@romantisanon4647]

Dr. Craig is absolutely incredible. It’s awesome that Ben was able to host him.

[@johnvirgilio5323]

He is brilliant and will debate anyone of note.

[@TyrellWellickEcorp]

Dd S explain

[@TyrellWellickEcorp]

Dd S Dr Craig gave great reasons as to why he thinks god exists. If you have a problem with anything he said or would like to address them then say it instead of attacking him for his beliefs. He’s a great person and has a very likeable personality.

[@romantisanon4647]

@Dd S Craig doesn’t stick his fingers in his ears and ignore objections, he takes them head on and gives counter arguments _(especially_ when it comes to the Kalam argument). He talks to and debates with physicists all the time. He’s not ignorant when it comes to physics or cosmology. And of corse just because something is theoretically true doesn’t make it actually true. But accepting theories that are likely and plausible is rational. Far more rational than just shooting down a likely theory because it might not be absolutely certainly true in reality. Really take the time to actually listen to Craig. He never states he can _prove_ the existence of God with 100% certainty, but he believes that available evidence makes it more likely that the existence of a God is true as opposed to the nonexistence of one. He has already addressed every objection you’ve listed at one time or another. He’s not a “con man,” “sophist,” or lair. If you want a con man, look at Peter Popoff or Robert Tilton. Listen to Craig with an open, unbiased mind and I’m sure you’ll find that he makes a lot of sense.

[@romantisanon4647]

Dd S I’ve been listening to/reading Craig for years and I’ve _never_ heard the “well they just don’t want to bow to God” argument come from him. Either stop straw-manning or show me where he did this. He keeps giving the same arguments because no one is able to sufficiently beat them in debate. In every debate I’ve ever seen him in, his opponents misunderstand or misrepresent Craig’s argument. His opponents often have a lot of bravado and change subjects frequently during his debates. This can make it _look_ like Craig is losing, but when you weigh both sides equally, Craig usually comes out on top. Craig doesn’t say his arguments work because he says they work. They work based off their own merit. If you look at Craig’s arguments on their own and actually understand them, they become hard to object too. I’m sure you’ll disagree with this, but I don’t really want to talk you through every argument ranging from Kalam to the Moral, so I’d recommend taking a philosophy class, listening to his more in-depth lectures, or doing some self reflection.

[@JS-ok4dx]

Thank you for getting the best Christian philosopher in the world on the show!!!!

[@theoperumal5174]

Josh Smith nah man, that’s Jesus!

[@billb4709]

Have watched, listened to, and loved Dr. Craig's works for some 15 years. God bless him!

[@MercedesWoodiel]

Thank youuu for having this conversation Ben!! To have two people having an intelligent conversation with mutual respect (even in disagreement) is an example that this country needs!!! God bless you!!

[@3thingsfishing427]

Theological Sunday specials are my favorite because Ben does a good job of covering politics throughout the week.

[@PrimusxPilus]

THIS

[@Heartwing37]

Me too! It’s soul-satisfying.....

[@Bastion0711]

I gasped, I gasped when I saw William Lane Craig name alongside Ben. I can die now. Bye bye

[@Manuel-dn8hn]

See you then!

[@morningcoffeeOW]

Please.

[@aharonaryeh4049]

I was really not expecting this. So glad he got him on.

[@djangozaqwwqewegf6196]

Good.

[@vheilshorn]

Christopher Hitchens is dead.

[@mr.fordnite1909]

Everybody (for good reason) is astounded by the great man Dr. Craig is and how great the work he has done is. But let’s not forget Sandy. Without the extraordinarily simple message Sandy have to young Bill Craig, the hundreds of thousands this man has reached could still be lost.

[@intelligenthuman3262]

I don’t believe in God however i stayed, listened and learned and really enjoyed and appreciated this discussion and respect you both.

[@1928gerry]

What blessing it would be if Ben accepted Jesus Christ into his heart and came to know this personal God. His pride in his knowledge prevents it at this point, but we remember Saul/Paul and know God can intervene in anyone's life, and will.

[@leatherneck1061]

@Paula Wallace In future please remember your meds before commenting.

[@leatherneck1061]

@Paula Wallace Actually, you are delusional. The "Jesus is a composite of pagan myths" claim was debunked long ago. Today it is a tired myth perpetuated by the new atheists. That doesn't put you in very good company.

[@vvanderer]

@1928gerry That would never hapen, and would be a travesty and a tragedy. The covenant God made with the Jews is eternal. This is all over Deuteronomy. Ch 13 is very explicit. The life of Jesus has provided a view of the God of Abraham Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Sinai to billions. That does not mean his mission was to the Jews, nor does it mean that the mountains of christological thinking piled onto his life in the succeeding centuries is authentic. To draw a Jew away from the Covenant (God forbid) is to spit in God's eye. Jewish thinking is non exclusive. Normative Orthodox Judaism, and even more so the Conservative Reform etc movements, hold that anyone who cleaves to one God will find a place in the world to come. We all sin, repentance is open to all.

[@friedmotherboards2395]

Paula Wallace Lol you’re dumb, the Old Testament prophecies all predict Jesus will die for our sins and will rise again.

[@guy3fire]

Yes, but I just read in the O.T. Prophets that although Israel will largely come to belief in Jesus as the Messiah, it also says that some of Israel will still not believe. Sorry that I don't have the verse in front of me to site it. I highly recommend Dr Michael Brown on KZbin at AskDrBrown. He is an extremely knowledgable Messianic Jew and great shows.

[@whaddoyoumeme]

Finally! Been waiting for this!

[@240guy9]

Whaddo You Meme?? Ben’s waiting for this too. Did you see what I did there?

[@williamprice3486]

Whaddo You Meme?? Me too! Great interview. Praying for Ben’s salvation!

[@mikeriley6845]

That will be whaddo you meme in two years.

[@ThatReadingGuy28]

How’s the documentaries going??

[@Tommy-wq4ow]

Ayyyy

[@amaraheavens]

This is just a classic! William Lane Craig is absolutely brilliant! I find his progressive presentation of facts and pace of speaking incredible. What a legend! Ben’s understanding of philosophical reasoning armed him with the right questions to get the very best out of the legendary philosopher. So pleasing to watch😊

[@calebmarquart]

Hearing Craig’s testimony filled me with so much joy. When he knew it was true, it became his mission to share this with as many people as he could. Amazing!

[@twajaj]

One thing I really appreciate with Ben's show he allows people to actually talk and express their views. As a follower of Christ Dr. Craig's personal testimony touched my soul!

[@wheredamoon]

It's great to hear all the philosophical workings from him, then hear his personal, deeply felt conversion story. Reminds me a lot of Ravi Zacharias, who apparently was his classmate in seminary? Ravi talked about his conversion all the time, but hadn't heard WLC's until this interview.

[@PatrickInCayman]

Major Kudos to Ben as well for "going in there". Many people simply just avoid the conversation.

[@SigmundQFreud]

Ben is wise to understand another persons position on a subject. It also shows respect to want to understand another persons perspective and reasons for it.

[@davidbagley1783]

Everyone knows who God is..not everyone goes to God for salvation

[@goingdarko]

He did avoid it.

[@tiffanymagee2700]

What an awesome interview. This is how two incredibly intelligent people with different views on who Jesus is should speak to each other. Your respect for Bill's views and graciousness toward him are truly remarkable! And Bill's frankness and brilliance are equally admirable!!

[@mr.kiggleshasanopinion1713]

LOVE listening to persons such as these two. Not only is so much information being shared but with such wonderful speech and words and sentences. Can’t be more basic and more satisfying than that.

[@vincentpieterse1694]

Thanks for inviting WLC Ben.... Great to see a civil conversation between two giants from different spectrums

[@theoperumal5174]

Vincent Pieterse it was so beautiful, this entire video made me incredibly happy

[@tortoises100]

Oh theyre on the spectrum alright :P

[@FollowingChrist44]

Very nice interview. Praise God. Respect to Mr. Ben Shapiro for interviewing people he disagrees with i.e. Christians.

[@benjaminjosephonelove9786]

Ben's ability to politely listen to a viewpoint he disagrees with is very admirable

[@basedinstinct1885]

I thought that was basic manners.

[@angbandart]

Commendable of Ben to so frequently bring on Christians as well as all others onto his Program. It validates his Godliness, showing Fruits of the Spirit and firmness in his own faith in God, and also, as a Christian, Jews are our only friends. So, it is meaningful as a sign of love. When everyone hates you, except 1 person, you know that 1 person is special.

[@enochlion922]

My head just blew off my shoulders!!

[@slytheguy6761]

Enoch Lion 🤯

[@nagaseminarian]

Love it - Ben asks WLC to take the role of an atheist-😆😆😆. Interesting interaction- Ben does talk fast- WLC looks extremely excited when Ben asks the right questions-- ❤️ it.

[@DanLowBaritone]

William Lane Craig is a very rational and erudite person, the sort of people modern society seems to lack, at least in terms of presence in the public eye.

[@zuckle5319]

lmao you're not looking hard enough

[@Karatizo.InspireframeBuild]

So true

[@raedmazahreh7064]

Posted four years ago; still beautiful today! Thank you Ben and Dr. Craig for a wonderful mutually respectful discussion.

[@zaydevans2077]

If the moral argument works, how do you know what god wants you to do? How do you determine whats moral and whats not moral or which is the right god to pick as the arbiter of the correct moral teachings?

[@abbyboat5730]

@@zaydevans2077 The God who proves Himself to be the true God, is the One who sets the standards for objective morality. The God with the highest probability of being the Creator is the God of the Bible. If the resurrection is true, and facts we have, weigh in that direction, then the God that Jesus preached and showed us is the One True God. If the resurrection is true, then it follows that: Jesus really died for our sins, hence God is a loving and just God, just as the Bible says. If the resurrection is true, then Jesus' teachings are to be held as objective moral truth: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and all your soul and all your strength; and love your neighbour as yourself." If the resurrection is true, and Jesus' teaching are held as truth, we know that He called the Old Testament Scripture inspired by God - the same God He came to preach - it means that God's commands are to be followed. The moral Law in the Old Testament have been called Scripture so they set the objective moral standards. If the resurrection is true, then Jesus DID anoint the disciples with the Holy Spirit, and gave them the power and order to build the Church, hence inspiration of Scripture in their writings in the New Testament. So, if the resurrection is true, the moral Law given in Scripture (both Old and New Testaments) are the objective moral standards given by the One True God.

[@xavier.abraham]

What an interview ! I almost cried when Prof. Craig spoke about Jesus and the evidence.

[@FaithLifeConservative]

💯✝️🌹

[@user-up2hk4dz1o]

You literally can the holy spirit f4om him love this guy i love ben as well

[@nathanielmaples4980]

This is good stuff! Please have Ravi Zacharias on.

[@MojoPin1983]

And N.T. Wright.

[@ernestalphonse1217]

Ravi is a liar

[@Jacob-rd2qx]

@@ernestalphonse1217 What did he lie about? I'm not defending him, don't really know him, just curious

[@hardcore907]

HELL. YES.

[@chriscrutchley2169]

Nathaniel Maples yes!

[@olivehealth7863]

This was an amazing interview. Finally heard WLC's born again experience. Craig is a humble man and is for real.

[@joshuaneil8462]

Fascinating conversation. I am so pleased that this back and forth is respectful and of sufficient clarity.

[@KD-rd1im]

WLC is the legend of legends!!! So happy that he is getting this exposure to another audience!

[@EricRivera-hy8qd]

Yeah , it's awsome hearing WLC again

[@Akihito007]

No WLC is a heretical anti-trinitarian molinist who argues that God cant even dictate the future. Hes a heretic.

[@JohnDoe-td7mu]

@@Akihito007 outside of monolism, WLC doesn't believe a single thing you just said

[@appalachiahiker853]

Akihito007 dude...check your 3 o’clock

[@dsheehan7134]

He’s laughable. His theology is based on Satan as it’s based on those derived from Luther, who was a cruel, sick, power hungry murderous drunk.

[@tevochristmann5372]

WLC looks absolutely delighted at Ben's questions

[@jj3164]

Two Giant brains in one room!!! I love both of you gentlemen. God Bless.

[@lmoengaroa]

I'm no scholar, however I understood every word lol- this was brilliant , I enjoy listening to Ben Shapiro, I especially enjoyed this being a Christian ❤

[@JoshAlicea1229]

Wow! WLC... great pick Ben

[@corbenvanloosbroek4811]

Josh Alicea why is this guy in your opinion a great pick? Seems like a delusional idiot to me

[@MeanOldLady]

@@corbenvanloosbroek4811 - You just described yourself given your username. You don't want truth, you want pleasure & ease. You will sacrifice the former for the latter for most of your life & constantly complain about your own self-inflicted misery until you die or get tired of it all, hit rock bottom & turn your life around. It's all your own choice. Better wise up now before it's too late & you hit the point of nihilistic self-destruction.

[@corbenvanloosbroek4811]

Mean Old Lady I’m all about the truth lady. What do you have against psychedelics?

[@corbenvanloosbroek4811]

Mean Old Lady religion is all bullshit. If you want to debate me go ahead but I don’t really have time for this thank you for the advice as irrelevant as it may seem

[@LaurenFrancesHair]

36:05 -37:10 was so brilliant. Craig : “I doubt this man’s tomb was empty!” Haha Craig always has the best way of dominating. So gentle but so witty. Ben was completely unable to answer it and dismisses that and any of there arguments for the historical Jesus. That being said, I truly respect Ben for having Craig on who disagrees with him and is very competent in defending Christ. Ben is extremely uncomfortable discussing Christ because he is very satisfied with the common ground he has with Christians. I believe it would be so difficult for him to actually consider these arguments given his entire family life and culture he was raised in. I applaud him for having the conversation and hope one day he will consider the historical arguments for Jesus. Craig is certainly the best person to plant the seed. Great conversation.

[@onetwothree4148]

I laughed at that too. If the Indian guru's tomb was excavated today, and reported to be empty, would you and Craig now believe the thousands of people who claim to have seen him raised from the dead? Of course not. You'd immediately recognize that it is far more plausible that someone lied, and these people are all mistaken.

[@yidiandianpang]

@Jesrael K Mani And walked on water and stilled storms.

[@yidiandianpang]

Yes, tremendous respect to Ben. You can't expect him to be converted on air. He will go and think things over I am sure. But just for having a serious discussion with the best spokesmen for another point of view on the most important issues - first class programming, Ben.

[@RobbDepp]

If only Ben was wise enough to be opened minded to researching his own biases. Great job WLC

[@williamprice3486]

Jesrael K Mani Good points. Skeptics (like James) and enemies (like the Apostle Paul (also an intellectual heavyweight)) claimed to have seen Jesus after his death, and sincerely believed that he had been raised from the dead. Also, prophecies provide even more substantiation to Jesus being the Jewish Messiah. Daniel 9:24-27 states that an anointed one (the Hebrew word “mashiach” is used, which means Messiah) must come before the destruction of the 2nd temple. Jesus fulfilled that. If Jesus did not fulfill that then nobody can because the Romans destroyed the temple in 70 AD. Isaiah 53 clearly describes Jesus as the Messiah. There are many more, but I particularly like those two.

[@goobermcgilicuty3754]

I have watched this many times. Love it thanks Ben!!

[@markanthonyramsey4870]

CT and disposition between these two men is amazing I love the fact that they both have in unwavering beliefs in contrast of each other but can still enjoy each other's runs. Ben was honestly setting with royalty and he knew it! Much respect

[@bestservedchill1489]

Never thought I'd see the day. So glad Shapiro finally got Craig on here. Ravi Zacharias and John Lennox next pleeease!

[@JoshuaStranger]

Yes!!! Ravi!!!!!

[@kindcolours]

Couldnt wait for that episode!!!

[@3YearsApart1613]

would love to see both Zacharias and Lennox

[@dco8886]

Yes! Yes! Yes!

[@SigmundQFreud]

Lennox voice is like a lullaby for a grown man. Love him.

[@jordanxxx]

I never clicked something so fast in my life.

[@mnkyfly]

Ditto

[@chadjcrase]

absolutely, these are great discussions to find

[@thermal1580]

Thats what she said.

[@ihavetubes]

that's pretty fast

[@johnvirgilio5323]

Extraordinary openness for similar beliefs. Maybe he can have Joel Richardson on to show off his new pictures from the base of the burnt peak of Mt. Sinai. He has shots of boulder paintings of archers shooting at nothing in particular. God called for protecting the mountain from the people themselves. But wait until you see the monolithic rock which is split and shows clear water erosion up and down the hill!

[@jpnoobieeiboonpj858]

Praise God for Ben's comment in regarding what the jews are expecting for a messiah. Yes Ben, you are so right and I'm so glad you brought it up....Take it from here William

[@miltonkeynes3090]

Thanks very much for hosting this discussion. Tons of things to think about. Cheers Ben.

[@supmuhhumbruh]

As a former atheist, I pretty much fell for all the common New Atheist slogans about religion. “There’s no evidence for the supernatural”, or “science has refuted God”, or whatever other stuff you read about in books like The God Delusion. There was a time when I was a major proponent of Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris and all them. But after encountering the rich, intellectual tradition within the Christian faith - People like Bill Craig and Ed Feser, both of whom Ben have had on - all these New Atheists began to look intellectually paltry in comparison; not to mention, they were all very angry. They’re arguments didn’t hold up, and they began to appear more like children in a temper than sincere seekers of truth. I’ve mentioned this in a previous comment, but I’ll say it again. The real debate is not between religion and atheism. The real debate is between religion 1 and religion 2, etc; between Judaism and Christianity and Islam, and so on; specifically, not over whether religion is true, but *which* religion is true. KZbin conversations like these are only the beginning. If anybody here hasn’t read the published work of Dr. Craig - especially the Blackwell Companion to Natural Theology - I highly recommend doing so. Dr. Craig is scholarly, honest, and convincing. It might surprise him to hear that his work in large part lead me to the Catholic Faith, since he is not himself a Catholic. But still, I hold Dr. Craig in high regard as a philosopher and theologian, and value his contributions to the study of religion enormously. He changed my life.

[@doctorbatman8520]

Pat Flynn What specifically changed your mind?

[@SolSystemDiplomat]

Doctor Batman probably because atheism is inferior to religion.

[@petergroehler1577]

Pat Flynn, why is it between religion 1 and religion 2 versus religion and non-religion? Have we really refuted the "nothing" in that all-or-nothing argument?

[@doctorbatman8520]

Jacques Souvenir I’m asking for something more than a vague deepity. I’m sorry if that wasn’t clear.

[@supmuhhumbruh]

@@doctorbatman8520 Hi Batman, It wasn't any one particular argument, but a cumulative study overtime. I didn't become a Christian right away. I had to work my way there. I first became interested in natural theology, thinking that might help answer some of my questions, so books like the Blackwell Companion, which I mentioned, but then going back through all the classic theistic philosophers like Aquinas, Leibniz, Clarke, etc, and contemporaries like Lonergan, Feser, Stump, Adler, Craig, Spitzer, Pruss and so on. I'll also give a nod to C.S. Lewis. Though his work is more popular and accessible, he presents his arguments clearly, and so he opened me up to wanting to go deeper on the subject, even if he didn't immediately secure my conviction.

[@CaryHawkins]

Shapiro doesn't get owned often, but Craig is Craig.

[@mcmanustony]

you missed him being reduced to a sniveling babbling mess in his encounter with British Conservative journalist Andrew Neil. It was hysterical!

[@Jus4kiks]

mcmanustony “conservative”

[@mcmanustony]

@Nathanael Culver I'm sure Shapiro needs no help from me in understanding that he made a petulant fool of himself and is unable to withstand scrutiny of his hateful bigoted remarks. Was I supposed to ask your permission to comment?

[@jandestiny626]

@Nathanael Culver aaaaand your assumptions are proven correct LOL!

[@kargs5krun]

@@mcmanustony if that's the most recent video (months) seen lately on ytube, i would argue every one has their "trigger points" &/or "bad days" and that Ben sloppily didn't prepare well for the encounter (sideswipe actually). Not an excuse mind you, but an explanation of that day's reality. Ben is human, and does have "feelings" and if anything (u should appreciate this pt) proved at his own expense, that "feelings" muck up many a soul who traverses this earth, including professors, presidents, etc - etc.

[@wheatfieldproductions1564]

Daily Wire is the best news company. Big help for the time we are living in. I pray to God for you guys, to keep growing. Thanks for spreading the truth

[@velvetdustbunny]

Loved the perspective from the Jewish interpretation, makes so much sense, and I admire the respect you have for religions that found individuals and families in core values.

[@Hugo_jordao_oficial]

What a time to be alive So much love for these guys Truly happy with the fact that most of the discussion centred on the person of Christ. William Lane Craig was just superb. May God bless you

[@christianzelaya6361]

"I don't wanna leave a legacy. I don't care if they remember me; only Jesus" Casting Crowns.

[@profetik777]

WLC helped me return to my faith. I was almost atheist until I heard the debate w Christopher Hitchens

[@SteveCherches]

profetik777 Damn! You were so close!!! :)

[@Kaymen1980]

Sad for you man. .. Go hear Sean Carroll mop the floor with him.. There is always hope

[@SteveCherches]

J Ovesen I had never heard of John Carroll before. Good stuff. 👍🏼

[@Kaymen1980]

@@SteveCherches *Sean* Carroll, yeh he is an awesome science communicator. I can recommend his lectures if you are interested in that sort of stuff 👍

[@SteveCherches]

J Ovesen I watched one of his videos. I’ll definitely watch more. I like that he makes science accessible and relevant to the discussion. Craig’s arguments have weak legs.

[@Tim_ArtistName_Tallent]

In response to Ben at 29:00 (I was reading John after hearing this interview and this passage immediately reminded me of what Ben said about claiming the Messiah was not punishable by death, yet these folks were ready to stone Jesus) I’m not drawing any conclusion or correcting just sharing the connection I made John 10:30-33 30 I and my Father are one. 31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

[@cliftonsettle749]

Dr. Craig was so kind but sharp and vividly to the point… Ben however, was scrambling… I have never seen Ben like this before. May Yeshua continue to show him the Light and His Grace. Praying for the Prince of Peace to be allowed in your heart Ben! Ephesians 2:8&9

[@vanessashimoni6548]

He wasn’t scrambling, he simply chose to hold back and allow his guest the curtesy of expounding his views without a heated, unprofitable argument.

[@indianajones9740]

By far the best Sunday special yet! Have him back for round two and get more into the historical argument and talk about Paul! Great job you guys!

[@ebowden1168]

that's not even an argument with how widely accepted Paul's writings are among even atheist historians.

[@theinvisiblemusic]

I would looooove to see you do one with John Lennox. Ben I'm sure you have heard of him, if not dig into him.

[@joefrescoln]

Yes!!!!!!!!!!

[@misterRDF]

Agreed!

[@ceaser8999]

Eh. No need for that. Is he gonna asked him the same question plus how to write a proof?

[@misterRDF]

@@ceaser8999 I disagree - sure some of the questions would be similar, but WLC and Lennox's disciples are polar opposites which would make for interesting and varied questions/discussions/answers. Aside from that, it would bring more people into the light of Lennox giving him more exposure so they could see and learn about a very interesting man.

[@ceaser8999]

misterRDF well I disagree with you lol. I’d rather see Ravi Zachariahs first. I’d think it would be more interesting because of the way he grew up (culturally) and the fact he was an atheist until 17 and other things But I like Lennox too

[@petersonofbernard4880]

Masterful interview by Ben Shapiro and a brilliant interviewee in William Lane Craig...thank you guys!

[@dannymajestici6344]

Ben ! I have tremendous respect for your courage to have this kind of debates with evangelicals scholars …! You are extremely respectful !… Love you Ven ! May God bless you for having this kind of platforms on your show defiantly puts you on a different level than the usual platforms ………..

[@dogmatil7608]

WLC made me question all my believes as well. I was raised protestant, but only in name. We never really discussed anything of importance, so when I grew up I drifted away from the church believing that I didn't need it. But I always continued to believe in God. Now I am actually doing my research and as a med-student, science is very important to me, so someone like WLC who included science in his explanations speaks right to me.

[@vanessa-8375]

I think you might also like Ravi Zacharias and John Lennox.

[@appalachiahiker853]

Dogmatil Thanks for sharing. I was an atheist for 10 years until i found WLC

[@williamprice3486]

If you value scientific explanations you should check out Hugh Ross. WLC and Hugh Ross have been intellectual giants to me. Ravi Zacharias and John Lennox are good too.

[@appalachiahiker853]

William Price sermons on Daniel by Lennox 😍😍😍

[@glennjohn3919]

So have you trusted Christ as your savior then?

[@bryant475]

This may have been the seed planted that Ben needed to see the truth, I will continue to pray for him. God bless you Ben! WLC was an amazing guest!

[@christopherianlister5212]

age of universe 13.7 billion years not 6,019 as willies book claims that's how we know he is a con man, obviously

[@kevincaan2862]

@@christopherianlister5212 'Willy' believes the universe is 13.7 billions years old as well...as does Ben... Always remember, the Bible was not written to you, it was written for you...but not to you. Therefore you need to understand how the people to whom it was written understood it. The bible does not say that the world is 6,000 years old.

[@cooking9764]

I keep praying for him and Jordan Peterson that they will come to know and accept Jesus Christ in their heart!

[@goofyskittles]

@@christopherianlister5212 I’m starting to really question the theory of evolution as well as an old universe.

[@Romans--pe4yh]

@@goofyskittles There's good reason to question it. There is no repeatable and observable evidence to evolution. Even fossils of "early humans" leave little to no evidence of macroevolution. Most of them end up being a monkey or humans with birth defects or autoimmune diseases. Old universe is up in the air because even if there was evidence of an old universe, it doesn't contradict the bible. An old earth on the other hand would and I don't think there is much evidence for an old earth.

[@bridgetgolubinski]

Oh man, what an amazing conversation. Craig is truly brilliant

[@accentedreality]

I love seeing William Lane Craig so delighted by Ben's clear knowledge of these topics. This could be 6 hours long and I'd still listen to every minute of it!