Sam Harris | The Ben Shapiro Show Sunday Special Ep. 9

Sam Harris ​joins Ben Shapiro for a wide-ranging discussion on identity politics, the existence of God, and the Bible's view of slavery.
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[@flaviusventel]

The stoicism that Sam displays in not bursting in laughter every time Ben reads the ads is admirable

[@garrettwoetzel1720]

I laughed every damn time and I just finished a book on stoicism.

[@j0nhurry459]

I believe Marcus Aurelius advocated the philosophy of Stoicism. If so, you could try Meditations.

[@theowlsarefun]

@david wolf Meditations is good, anything by Seneca is good, and if you want a modern book that gives a good summary and interpretation with modern examples, The Obstacle is the Way by Ryan Holiday is a good read.

[@dennisjr77]

Lots of meditation

[@Flyingtart]

@david wolf Start with Meditations by Marcus Aurelius. Really good book!

[@discosphinx]

If Jordan Peterson were reading an ad about life insurance: “Well what the hell does life and insurance really mean man?”

[@dopeyszn4738]

Ben “well the Secular response to that” Shapiro

[@mhia4]

Depends on what you mean by premiums

[@stephanieniedermayer8092]

It's no joke man.

[@theohuioiesin6519]

Glitter Maiden 😂😂❤️

[@discosphinx]

@@stephanieniedermayer8092 XD

[@cade8986]

Sam this whole interview: 🤨

[@jidey0]

This is fucking brilliant!!!!

[@ChrisHarperKC]

That's Sam's whole life.

[@filmconcept4490]

@Vip Foundation damn what a waste of my time

[@filmconcept4490]

@Vip Foundation I’m just not as easily amused as you

[@filmconcept4490]

@Vip Foundation thanks you too

[@Albeit_Jordan]

"You're going to die - and when that happens and you don't have life insurance, you're going to be really sorry." No I won't, I'll be dead.

[@jasongravely7217]

😂

[@adin4545]

That's all what you get from all of discussion?

[@petmach]

@@adin4545 Why? He just pointed one funny thing out, he doesn't say that's all the conversation had to offer. You can talk about a part of a conversation without analyzing the whole debate you know.

[@xavierprayersingh8219]

😆😆😆

[@adin4545]

Phate, the Thing is that he is not stupid. Of course he sais "you will sorry when you will be older" and you will see inevitable the importance to have had an insurance. More, he sais indirectly to be inteligent and think about that right now. But Albeit_Jordan and you dont think about that posibility of explanation, isnt it? A joke is not a joke if is not a reason and intelligent behind it. This is just an etalation of the contrary. Ps: sorry for my english but i think was acceptable.

[@michaelmccarty1327]

Ben Shapiro: "Today I am announcing that I am officially running for president of the United States! ...But first, I want to say thank you to our sponsors over at Policy Genius!

[@Anonymouslives]

Michael McCarty I could see trump doing it.

[@darishennen898]

😂😂😂

[@Minder666]

Oh man, I love this!

[@LownarYouKnowMe]

This really hits something profound; I laughed so hard. I think this IDW movement is gonna stumble against the pressures of the market. After hearing Ben try to convince me to buy something kinda makes the things he says afterwards seem less honest ...

[@anthonybuck9140]

Jesse Prevallet I think he's just staying consistent. Same number of spots for sponsors, placed at the same time. Gotta pay the bills, he keeps it overall neutral and consistent

[@IndieMusicMinute]

This is what our presidential debates should be like, not the trash we witnessed in 2016

[@crossfit223]

Sadly, at least, 75% of Americans are either too stupid or disinterested to follow such conversations/debates.

[@SuperReviews4you]

Wow one could only hope.

[@MickeyThomas408]

The intellectual dark web is part of what Americans and the allies fought for in WW2. Now we have BOTH the alt-right nationalists and ANTIFA standing against this

[@TheRealSandorClegane]

Indie Music Minute the people who run for president arent smart enough for these debates nor care to have them even if they are smart.

[@MickeyThomas408]

Tyler Durden sounds like a shortcut to thinking

[@e-karttolle786]

If only I had 1% of Sam’s articulation skills ... smh

[@yodishtrajagatheson3154]

Just read books bruh

[@m74d3]

@@yodishtrajagatheson3154 it doesn't really work that way. Reading books will increase your vocabulary and your verbal intelligence, reading comprehension, etc. but it won't necessarily increase your articulation and verbal fluency. Vocabulary is just about knowing what words mean. Verbal fluency is how fast / how well you can think of the right words to use in the heat of the moment, which is a different thing. And reading really doesn't help that very much. I'm not sure if anything does. While a better vocabulary means you have more words to choose from, it doesn't make you faster or better at choosing them at a moment's notice. This is especially obvious if you happen to have a great vocabulary but still aren't as articulate as you want to be. In this case, you can listen to someone like Sam make a really intelligent, articulate point, and honestly say to yourself "I could never come up with a sentence like that on the spot even though every single word he used is in my vocabulary." This happens all the time, where you read something or hear someone say something about a complicated, abstract concept and it's so perfectly phrased, so articulate, so intelligent and crystal clear that you know you could've never come up with it off the top of your head. But it won't contain any words you don't know, so your vocabulary isn't the limiting factor. It's just how the words are arranged, the clarity of thought behind them, and the fact the speaker thought of them so perfectly in the moment. It's not a matter of knowing more words most of the time.

[@yodishtrajagatheson3154]

@@m74d3 Yeah i agree with that. Confidence and fluidity really make an expression well. Go sign up for the Dale Carnegie public speaking course as done by Warren Buffet

[@basspluto3454]

@@m74d3 Thats very true. I think writing would increase verbal fluency. I believe JP talked about this as well.

[@aoeu256]

@@m74d3 Sam Harris has more experience putting words together so that the ideas expressed are sexy. We don't have enough time in our life so to make our words sexy.

[@jonmiller1430]

Sam is a true classical liberal, sometimes it's just so refreshing to be able to disagree with no hard feelings

[@SailingSeignior]

What do you disagree with and why do you disagree with him?

[@BenetbenetLive]

Hes a progressive, hes not a classical liberal. That's ridiculous

[@BenetbenetLive]

@A to me its self evident, what would make you belive hes a progressive?

[@jonsegerros]

lol he definitely isnt. he seems more like a social liberal (not to be confused with modern liberalism)

[@PJSM94]

@@BenetbenetLive "Hes a progressive, hes not a classical liberal." Sam is a self-identified liberal, and has explicitly called himself a liberal in the more 'classical' sense of the word. Oddly enough, you couldn't be more wrong. That's truly ridiculous. I mean, unless you know Sam better than he knows himself. Your response seems arrogant enough to think so, or you're just mentally deficient. It also begs the question of what you know about classical liberalism, because Sam is a textbook liberal, in that respect.

[@poppopN]

the slowest talking person alive vs the fastest talking person alive

[@sidharth97]

I was looking for exactly this comment! This is all I could think about. Imagine having to fast mo for Sam and slow mo for Ben! Nightmare!

[@stellarstar9340]

Nikolo lol! 😂

[@222Lightning]

I usually lay in bed about an hour just listening to the Ben Shapiro show on the AM station before finally rolling over and falling asleep. I try to follow closely to Ben Shapiro's thought process but its hard sometimes...…..he talks so fast and his thoughts are often layered with examples. Last week he was talking about the new accusations against Kavenaugh. The guy is very intelligent and even redefines issues I might be on the fence on.

[@dennisjr77]

Weed vs coke DMT vs ritalin

[@jroark101]

Haha

[@seijunsejuki]

I'm literally incapable of imagining a conversation like this in the mainstream media.

[@illizcit1]

Benjamin .Heneberry Fact

[@avigindratt7608]

Even though it happens daily.

[@seijunsejuki]

Uh, yeah... So I guess you didn't actually watch the interview then, right? This could have been Sam Harris talking to Jon Lovitz' liar character from SNL and it wouldn't have had any bearing on the content of the conversation. I stand by my comment - conversations like this don't happen in the mainstream media, whether MSNBC or FOX. Shapiro freely admits to being biased to the right, which is why he's never claimed to be a journalist. He's also said on multiple occasions that his biggest problem is confirmation bias, a level of honesty that is rare on either side of the political aisle. I'm also a fan of Dave Pakman, Kyle Kulinski and Jimmy Dore on the left - but of course THEY aren't biased at all, right? That was pretty funny quoting Snopes as a legit fact-checking source though, I have to admit.

[@seijunsejuki]

01) I'm now POSITIVE you haven't watched the video you're commenting on. 02) You don't know what the mainstream media is? I'm afraid that's more of a comment on you than me. I can assure you it's definition is readily understood by all, not least those in the mainstream itself. 03) Shapiro's "lies" have nothing to do with his conversation with Harris, the depth of which, again, is missing from the mainstream media that you seem to not know exists. 04) You misused the word "quantify," which means "to determine, express, or measure the quantity of" multiple times. "Elaborate," "elucidate," "expound" - all better words. 05) I'm genuinely curious as to what it was about my comment, as opposed to the many below it, that set you off on the world's most embarrassing hissy-fit. Since it seems to revolve around my use of the term "mainstream media" (which you evidently think I invented out of whole cloth) I can only assume that you're around 22, 23, college student, in communications or journalism or something like that - in other words you're hoping to one day land a job in the ("thought terminating") media, probably Snopes, and therefor have an increasingly desperate need to defend it. Anyway, I look forward to your next rambling and unhinged screed. PS - I don't mind you calling me "cupcake." I like cupcakes. Cupcakes are delicious.

[@seijunsejuki]

I finally had to google "thought terminating cliche," and while I'm not sure you're using that correctly either, its derivation has at least confirmed for me that you _are_ , as I suspected, a college student in his early twenties studying media. Anyway, as amusing as this has been, and as perversely entertaining as I've found your Strasbergian commitment to making a fool of yourself to be, I'm afraid I'm going to have to end this. When things devolve to the point of my providing you with dictionary definitions, and you fact-checking them, it's safe to say things have run their course. Last comment is yours; don't forget to include lots of randomly capitalized words, followed by accusations of cowardice and emotional fragility. PS - you really should check out the interview; Sam Harris is an interesting guy.

[@heads_together_crypto2422]

Hey Ben, it's past time to have Sam Harris on again!

[@kamicam2988]

Sam is insanely intelligent and presents the most cogent ideas

[@TheOlzee]

Just mostly wrong though

[@cmhardin37]

​@@TheOlzee name the one thing he gets most wrong?

[@TheOlzee]

@@cmhardin37 he thinks humans don’t need religion they will just get it all right because they’re human

[@andrewhodgeson8006]

No, he doesn't. He used to. If you go back and look at his arguments from years ago he was much better and clearer and braver in his arguments. He's lost something over the years. Also, his research and points against Christianity is extremely biased and incomplete and his understanding of the Bible is vague and generalized at best.

[@zacharyfellars6400]

@@TheOlzee by "mostly" you must mean "never"

[@777AMBASSADORA]

I am watching so much less news and tv choosing these talks and also religious debates online instead. So much more satisfying

[@ManDuderGuy]

Alexis Nash You have chosen........wisely. Tv and "the news" is garbage.

[@tiffanysmith0607]

Me too lol

[@LawlessNate]

You know that Sam Harris tells outright lies in his religious debates, right? - kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3_XnYpjgaqkq5o

[@kevinsteve9453]

Alexis Nash I reach retirement age soon, grew up msm , new to internet kinda, am finding myself doing same

[@katrinanelson5360]

Try old Christopher Hitchens c spam videos or debates... his old c span with Brian lamb is great because most the topics (Middle East, health care, religion, Dems and reps, populism) it's all the same discussion, so you can understand how he thinks on present situations

[@erikshure360]

I wonder what was going through Sam's mind when Ben was reading those ads.

[@jeffreyc.mcandrew8911]

erik shure I was thinking the same thing. He had to be laughing on the inside!

[@heathermoria8277]

Lols

[@skippbitman]

He runs out to take a piss.

[@raintamer8121]

This guys mouth is a machine....

[@kuribojim3916]

Me too. Awkward.

[@seanlawley293]

You can tell that Ben has a great deal of respect for Sam. Very cool.

[@jamesmkoenig]

That's because Ben is a mental midget compared to Sam

[@TiagoCavalcanti-ji6hu]

lol

[@TiagoCavalcanti-ji6hu]

Sam is a logical philosopher. Ben is a spoiled brat and a con.

[@tetum849]

@@TiagoCavalcanti-ji6hu lol

[@Johnny.G.]

Haha no he doesn't

[@drnautas1098]

This is what our political debates should look and sound like.

[@jakeherter]

Fuck no, you can't listen to shit heads like Shapiro

[@CPUtech101]

Unfortunately the wise and the power hungry don't often sit at the same table.

[@caesaraugustus3749]

Harris is at least willing to engage the opposition and does not view them as irredeemable monsters. I respect it.

[@ryanhunsader7038]

Adam Carroll and he doesn’t get personal. That’s one issue I have with Richard Dawkins for example. He makes his case then insults those who disagree. Sam is calm, cool and collected. Then after smiles makes a friend

[@AlbinosaurusR3X]

It's because Harris is a liberal, not a leftist.

[@Mr.Pants45]

Adam Carroll unless you're Trump, then you're an impulsive liar who can not be trusted with the power of the presidency lol

[@CaptCutler]

Cool. Just ignore the career he's built by essentially calling Christians irredeemable monsters because he thinks they believe the strawman he created of the religion. Yeah. Good dude.

[@mitchbmx]

He literally said the left is irredeemable

[@johnbuckner2828]

" if we get to Mars and we are still worried about skin color we've done something wrong" Love it. LOL Thanks for the quote Sam

[@johnbuckner2828]

4browsing LOL that makes me think of the MOS Eisley Cantina in Star Wars. "We don't serve their kind here." Poor 3PO

[@johnbuckner2828]

Retro Workshop I don't know if we have enough information from our history books for me to agree.. I don't think you can base the sentiments of an entire population on what they say about its leader. When I was in the military they made a point of eliminating racism because you have to depend on each other. There were still racist people. If you are referring to institutional racism and you might be right I honestly haven't studied that much world history and I'm sure the history of many cultures was not written down for us to know about. I think that it was common to enslave those you conquered. American Indians used to enslave each other but I doubt it was based on racism since they were all Indian. I do however believe that in-group out-group Behavior has always been around and it's usually based on something superficial like skin color so to say that localized racism was caused by Christianity is probably not true.

[@ThomCoe]

We will worry about Martian cross breeding and whatever their skin colour is

[@cv4809]

In mars they won't have to worry about skin colour since they will all be white

[@radthadd]

@4browsing Reminds me of Martian Gothic

[@tannermcateer1463]

Very cool. I really appreciated Shapiro's handling of the interview even though I find my own philosophy to be more in line with Sam's.

[@lovetownsend]

Sam is on another level.

[@Johnny.G.]

Another level of delusional

[@gastontvyoutube]

@@Johnny.G.u mean ur religion

[@Johnny.G.]

@@gastontvyoutube no not really. Really think about your own existence and the world around you. Nothing can't pass on something it doesn't have, such as an intelligent life. I can't pass on consciousness, rationality , and a moral compass if if I don't possess it... it even violates evolution's nonsense claims. You need to have traits to pass em right ? This is readily visible, And no delusional person who gets a labcoat or a degree obtained from other delusional people can change reality. They say dumb things very eloquently, but they are still dumb. And historically, scientists are known for continually getting things wrong, especially when they think they got it figured out. We havent even seen the entire ocean, how much less do we know about the universe but want to pretend that we do because of our labs. Not of that accounts for the origin of life nor is consistently logical with the reality we do have. It's all vanity and arrogance. And that blinds.

[@HolyHusky]

@@Johnny.G.imagine calling Sam Harris delusional 😂 L

[@Johnny.G.]

@@HolyHuskyoh Great. You L. I guess that's where everything ends for me. Sorry to call it like it is on your false prophet/hero

[@kyle9785]

Its amazing how free speech can unite two people who disagree on nearly 100% of issues.

[@luigivincenzo9731]

Ben says in the discussion that they agree on 95% of the issues they hold dear. So yeah no.

[@kyle9785]

well to say that they agree on 95% of values is true, I believe Ben referenced this; on the application of those values in politics and through analysis of culture however, they are on completely different sides. A person can agree with another that an issue exists, but disagree on its solution. This does not inherently mean they are in agreement.

[@sorsocksfake]

Both are true. In the same way that despite the enormous differences in what food we like, in truth we 99% agree - nobody eats bricks, trees, motortorpedoboats or sanitary napkins, and I've heard of only one person who eats aeroplanes. Thing is, we're so used to all the things we agree on and it never comes up... so we're permanently zoomed in on the tiny fragment where we disagree. Even in "massive disagreements" like abortion. Almost any conservative would agree you are allowed to kill in self-defense, and they would also agree that if it's not a human/person, we're allowed to kill it at will. What we mainly seem to disagree on, is when personhood actually starts and where the bar lies for self-defense (especially when there's no non-lethal option).

[@luigivincenzo9731]

The real problem is that people like Ben and Sam who claim they are having a “civil conversation between people who disagree” define the bounds of acceptability regarding what is ok to disagree on and what is not. Example; topics such as religion, Trump, Brexit, etc. are all fair game amongst the IDW. You hold a contrary opinion about Israel however and Ben brands you as a terrorist sympathiser. Funny how the most passionate subjects for Ben are the ones he rarely allows himself to be challenged on.

[@kyle9785]

name me a specific instance in which Ben shied away from talking about Israel by simply dismissing the other side. Ben was quite vocal about Hamas and the tactics it uses to propagate the Palestinians against the israelis just a couple months ago when the US embassy opened in Jerusalem.

[@tomtomneal]

These guys should switch meds with each other.

[@dbt2207]

Tommy Neal Sam Xanax Harris and Ben Adderal Shapiro hahahahaha

[@TheGoobsters]

Lmaoooo

[@severeenjoyment6775]

I don’t think they TAKE the meds; I think they ARE the meds.

[@benjamingoldstein1111]

You made my day!

[@GrandpaShaneable]

Tommy - dude, if you came up with that joke, you're a genius. HAHAHAHAH!

[@lulolean]

Thank you for sponsoring a conversation that is truly a respectful and free exchange of ideas with the intent to understand. It is so refreshing to see this and I want more of it. Both of you have been in so many debates; and while that has its place, it is always so clear that no real meeting of the minds is happening, and the debate rules force a competitive style that is the antithesis of understanding. I, too, wanted this conversation to continue for four hours.

[@wigsmey4462]

Ben Shapiro doesn’t look quite as intelligent when he isn’t “destroying” students.

[@HinduPAGANcowpissdrinkerRAKESH]

True. Bennie is a clown

[@nathanbates9561]

Well, it was an interview and not a debate so...

[@RashidMBey]

Ben Shapiro doesn't look quite as intelligent when he doesn't control how long students are talking, allot interlocutors mere seconds to state their position, rebut with a fallacy, and refuse to afford his interlocutors fair time to debunk and criticize his dishonesty. Shocker. The only ones impressed by Ben Shapiro are the ones too daft to meaningful distinguish rhetoric from reason.

[@urbis779]

All of you guys are so dumb. First off, this is an interview. But that's not that important. What matters is that they both agree on A LOT of things. Ben shapiro has said that there is a reasonable and decent argument on the questionability of the existence of God.

[@bethburger9889]

@@RashidMBey enjoyed the conversation, neither looks like an idiot to me. Shapiro still seems highly intelligent.

[@vetteluvnh]

The degree of mutual respect & intellectual honesty demonstrated here almost restores my faith in humanity. -Sub earned.

[@Nathan-tg4gu]

I appreciate it as well, but most youtube videos from the daily wire aren't like this. They're usually conservative news monologues. You might or might not like that type of content, but just thought I'd let you know.

[@douglasritchey485]

Nathanael 100%, it is cool to see the effect that this movement has had on Shapiro imo. I beleive I've judged him a little too harshly and I kinda understand it now. I do not necessarily disagree with the way Maher interviewed him for instance but I can also see how the tone changed the way he responds.

[@lessevdoolbretsim]

For a second I thought you were saying “degree of mutant respect”, which arguably they both are.

[@tysonhawk5437]

Dennis....Yes, quite refreshing to hear this productive dialogue. It's so fruitless when people raise voices and let emotions compromise what could be a productive conversation. After listening to 2 people argue...I feel stressed and irritable. Not with these guys...very good.

[@J0k3r4U]

The look on Sam's face was that of a gazelle about to be eaten by a lion...

[@rajachan8588]

Sam is an asset to the human race and all of civilisation. A class act in intellect, temperament and articulation.

[@PaddyAztec]

I totally agree. I aspire to have that sort of temperament and articulation.

[@krishan9611]

@@PaddyAztec Yeah same, what a role model!

[@starxlord9856]

Ben isn’t? Lol no I’m joking both men are great additions and assets to the human race. Now if we can get rid of the “libtard” mentality we might be alright!

[@starxlord9856]

I don’t get his argument tho. So believing in a Big Bang “theory” is more plausible then believing in god?

[@ocoeno]

Hahahahahaha!! what a joke! He is just an ignorant who believe he knows something.

[@M___4444]

Regardless of who or what you believe, this truly is the type of conversation that people should strive to have.

[@TiagoCavalcanti-ji6hu]

Believe? You think it is about believing? Srsly?

[@M___4444]

@@TiagoCavalcanti-ji6hu thanks for the review, lord of pedantics

[@jphish8724]

This needs to be a regular podcast... the world is SO divided, it would be amazing to see two minds like this parse these important topics regularly

[@MrTheraystriker]

Me: Finally, Sam Harris on the Sunday special Ben: *starts off with *Well, you're all gonna die 😂😂

[@billsmith9203]

Steve Moses ~ The most used phrase by life insurance salesmen 😎😎😎

[@DevianceBand]

My thoughts exactly lol

[@naturalisted1714]

Steve Moses What happens when we die (an atheistic perspective) kzbin.info/www/bejne/jHOcpKaqnc6cqaM

[@tekaaable]

LOL

[@bljja07]

Ted Bolha Atheism Philosophy Science you linked us to your own video... I ain’t watching that crap

[@blossomylion]

Great Guest Ben! Love the fact that political disagreements don't stop you two from having dialogue.

[@CarnevalOne]

BlossomyLion there is no real disagreement. Both are Zionists and anti-semitic-Muslims.

[@mymusic8414]

It's not political disagreement.....it's a theological disagreement. Sam is a hard core atheist

[@joebuck4496]

Booff

[@TiagoCavalcanti-ji6hu]

Dialogue? Are you sure? Trying to explain to Ben anything that isn't his obsession and canonic truth would be like a person trying to explain to a bacteria... the same thing. It's would be entertaining if I could stand his voice for more than 2 seconds (in which he throws about 200 hundred words on average, 99% of which dispensable). The epitome of Idiocracy.

[@thatguy720]

@@TiagoCavalcanti-ji6hu You’re so ignorant, to judge a man based on the way he speaks. It’s not hard to understand what Ben says, you’re just slow af. They were both trying to explain things to each other, that argument can be used for Harris as well.

[@KTA1sVidsandFacts]

I have school tomorrow, but I am enjoying this so much. Decisions, decisions. Regardless, thank you Sam Harris, Ben Shapiro, and The Daily Wire crew for setting this up. This was an extremely entertaining, and high quality discussion.

[@colingray823]

I find both of these individuals intelligent, fascinating and challenging. It’s a real treat to watch them converse with each other.

[@algot34]

Ben is not intelligent

[@willrobbins2550]

@@algot34found the pseudo intellectual.

[@RudgerBlake]

Imagine a world where this is what the United States presidential debate looked like.

[@JH-hx2cl]

RudgerBlake Wouldnt that be fascinating? Id love that.

[@dandychiggens7926]

Two Zionist Jews who are Israel first-ers? We would be at war with Iran and Syria within the hour.

[@7788Sambaboy]

unfortunately, fear and emotions are quick and easy, logic and reason and reflection are very, very, hard. Most people could care less about the detail...remember, this is a country where more people believe in bigfoot and putting all the animals on earth on one boat than believe in global warming or evolution.

[@Danimal77]

Obama was capable of speech like this.

[@olumorganjoe]

@@7788Sambaboy no need to worry about global warming its a hoax. Evolution is just atheist trying to convert you to their cult.Jesus is the way. Atheist have polluted science. Creationist are the way.

[@RightCenterBack321]

People should follow the example of Sam Harris and Ben Shapiro and employ the same kind of civility, manners, and expertise these two demonstrate. But the comments indicate people are refusing to internalize this lesson.

[@dubiousprime2021]

i agree. i think the main reason is the, "us or them," mentality. now granted, i have no problem for people being in a particular camp. but, you need to be able to shake hands across that line.

[@RightCenterBack321]

What's funny is that some people on the Internet have said that they talk the same way in real life as they do on the Net. They're obviously lying, because, otherwise, nobody would want anything to do with them.

[@RightCenterBack321]

@Liberal Nation Agreed, but given the state of being, I think we should take a win when it gets handed to us.

[@cristianrusu2529]

Thing is, all of Sam's discussions are like this. While for Ben, it's typically "Shapiro destroys college freshman". 99% of times Ben argues to score points, not actually get at the truth, hence his rapid word salad delivery with little actual arguments, which Sam casually and patiently corrects throughout this video. So yeah, people should internalize this style of debating, including Ben.

[@RightCenterBack321]

@@cristianrusu2529 Just because you disagree with Ben doesn't mean he's wrong. He's right about everything, except foreign policy.

[@scottkidder9046]

This is Ben and Sam at their best! I could listen to them talk all day

[@zatchidz]

I can see how Sam is at his best, but what did Ben say that was of any value?

[@willrobbins2550]

⁠@@zatchidzbipartisanship has you by the balls buddy…

[@topo3773]

@@willrobbins2550 why do you insult somebody instead of answering their question and providing dialogue, which you should be in favor of as you watched this video.

[@travisbathory468]

I love the fact that these two can have both a civil and fun debate/conversation despite having completely different views regarding religion.

[@mohsenbari1083]

you might have not noticed it, but Sam laid into the other dude at times

[@gatrow581]

@@mohsenbari1083because Ben was making bad points

[@MilesStoner]

I don't understand why I always see this comment. It should be normal that two people should just have a normal debate and it not be anything other than civil. We really are rejoicing in the bare minimum these days

[@mariog7213]

@@MilesStonerthe real legacy of Donald Trump- the destruction of intelligent public discourse

[@csquared4538]

@@MilesStoner it's not the bare minimum a******. So tired of people like you acting like being able to have a civil conversation is normal. This is parody.

[@MrHyroglyph]

One emphasizes his pauses One emphasizes his speed

[@doubleuponbob3397]

I, for one, emphasize lenght and girth.

[@LukeDayInTheUK]

DoubleUpOnBob you misspelled 'length' boy-chick!

[@poppyorangeflower]

@@doubleuponbob3397 everyone emphasizes on the assets they have, not the ones they don't.

[@OvenBakedCookie]

One cares about delivering an audible explanation, the other has an insecurity problem and thinks overwhelming others with loads of information makes them win debates.

[@laice34]

Or maybe Ben Shapiro talks fast? Literally these 2 guys are friendly with each other, stop being a hater

[@archstanton3430]

Seems appropriate to start the Sam Harris episode by reminding us of our impending death.

[@naturalisted1714]

Roy what happens after we die: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jHOcpKaqnc6cqaM

[@hajo2024]

I really enjoy watching these two speak. They are both intelligent, insightful, and articulate. They both make some excellent points.

[@watslucky7827]

1:04:44 the awkward moment at the end where they just shake hands and then go right back to staring into each other.

[@richardmccabe2392]

Looks pretty normal, seems like the handshake was more of a "thank you" than a "goodbye"

[@sankharaYT]

This is a great conversation. Kudos to both Sam and Ben for remaining civilized and just calmy talking it out while disagreeing on so many things. I'm more in Sam's camp on most issues but I applaud the way Ben conducts himself here.

[@somesinger1575]

I find it fascinating seeing Ben study up and move from his political playground to intellectual conversations . . . not easily done.

[@Darkpara1]

It is impossible to make Sam Harris angry, he uses Spock like logic to defeat all.

[@acutecloudd7970]

Sam represents most liberals but the media focuses on the sjw minority

[@jimraynor3767]

Had no idea Ben Stiller was this smart.

[@JammyTom]

He graduated harvard law at 23. I love this conversation

[@stevelam8269]

LOL! I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees their resemblances to each other. If you really pretend that it's Ben Stiller, it's almost like he's doing an impression of an intellectual. When Sam Harris sometimes raises his eyebrow, it looks like Zoolander doing one of his famous modeling "looks."

[@ShivaalTiluk]

Well, he is Batman after all

[@WillDanceAlone2U]

m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/jaPaXperlq-NeKM

[@rickynave]

@Richard Dixon With a blue steel.

[@skepticjoe09]

Felt so calm and peaceful when Sam Harris started to talk once Ben finished with his intro 😊😅

[@spandanmusser]

So rare to hear a conversation like this. 2 great thinkers discussing opposing points of view in a way that expresses each side in the best way

[@bassbonewurtz21]

Ben Stiller + Hugh Laurie = Sam Harris

[@kingwillbisthebest]

So true.

[@Jessica-ee5nq]

yes

[@Gekkou31]

​@@anthonyreed480 I don't agree with this equation. Henry Cavil's manliness is too much even with a 0.5 multiply handicap

[@TallKyleMusic]

Lmfao

[@Epsillion70]

I would add a bit of Bradley Cooper too actually.

[@sulljoh1]

Why did Ben stop? Surely he could have sold more mattresses

[@alexcipriani6003]

sulljoh1 😂😂😂😂😂👏🏻

[@thebrownbrownie]

I died from this comment 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@eredain1]

24:25 "What we have, historically, is a real war of ideas, crystallized in the moment where Galileo was shown the instruments of torture and put under house arrest by people who refused to look through his telescope".

[@josephhaas7413]

Sam describes, in his opening statement, literally the core of what I have been looking for, with respect to the conduct of broadcasting and exchanging ideas. I couldn’t be more pleased with myself by finding this

[@therambler3713]

I can't watch this without thinking about "Freedom Toons" XD

[@nopenope7386]

lol

[@owenbenjaminshapiro6285]

Ben's family watched this and collectively got a massive headache from the sub-300 IQ conversation which to them sounded like two retarded chicken cackling

[@quantumfootball]

I uh-gah-reeee with that.

[@ShivaalTiluk]

How is it that Sam Harris manages not to burst out laughing hysterically every time Shapiro reads those ridiculous ads ??! 😂😂😂

[@jeffb587]

did anyone else lol when Sam said that Christianity undermined "what you might call traditional Roman values."?? That smirk on his face! 22:40

[@jayvanburg3943]

Ben asked a lot of good questions here, if I were to play devils advocate against the general outlook I share with Sam, these were exactly what I would ask and like to hear answered and explained. Glad I found this video, both great people.

[@sidewaysfcs0718]

Hey, Ben is really really nice to Sam, and Sam is really really nice to Ben. Wish more atheists and more religious people would take lessons from BOTH men here.

[@icankickflipok]

sidewaysfcs0718 a big part of it is actually being in physical contact. Anonymity of the internet makes it easy to create a bubble.

[@polite_as_fuck]

Smo Cloud - Bingo.

[@davefx7949]

Yeah, but religion needs to die, and disappear....

[@jps6709]

They grew up in the same arrogant town so they have a sweet spot for one another.

[@davefx7949]

​@And Violate Now that confuses me. Why would an atheist hate my comment?

[@MichaelMcGov]

Two things that could make this better: 1. Prerecorded Ads 2. Rogan-esque time limit

[@Chaosdude341]

Not Sure I concur

[@jeffreymoffitt4070]

It doesn't make much sense, it's a KZbin video. Sam and Ben both have nothing better to do than talk about things. I mean this is how both of them make money right?

[@Randomgeneratedhandle]

It makes a lot of difference because you don't have to "rush" your argument when there is no time limit e.g

[@benbmusic88]

I agree. I really wish there was no time limit, or at least more time.

[@kappamomondo1038]

I want 4 hours of Sam and Ben talking about the big questions

[@allancouceiro9255]

19:08 🤣 Sam's face when Ben comes back from his on-air commercial....

[@zene5526]

lol

[@gustavocovarrubias1]

Its thanksgiving 2021 I go back to this just to know we have a glimpse of hope for humanity

[@charlesrump5771]

If Sam read ads on his podcast it would be 4 hours long.

[@bowserhoudini5588]

This comment made my week

[@alexcipriani6003]

Sam audience is more refined that shit wouldn’t hold

[@barnikmahanty5174]

@@SimonFaur94 has he contributed to neuroscience?(i mean he clearly has) or any job that he has i don't know about, just curious

[@mailtv910]

@Smallie Biggs His mother created the TV show "Golden Girls".

[@themadchameleon2204]

I remember when sam had jack from Twitter on his podcast. That sounded like audio chloroform

[@thecapone45]

Ben “facts don’t care about your feelings, unless it’s contradicting my religion” Shapiro.

[@thecapone45]

Donald Trump! The savior of The USA! I don’t care for the likes. I expressed a thought irrespective of how other people think of it.

[@radthadd]

That's true

[@dcabr224]

To be fair, Jordan Peterson can put Ben's religious viewpoint into a scientific and logical sense. So he is simply arguing a point similar to Jordan Peterson, and you wouldn't criticize Jordan Peterson for stating almost the same thing without the loyalty to the Jewish religion like Ben. So you're pretty much doing what the left does by taking the identity of a Jew over the logic he is using to argue it.

[@ai9862]

david cabral for god sakes(ironically). Jorden Peterson doesn’t fucking believe in the metaphysics where as Ben does. That’s why Jordan is a genius where Ben is a hypocrite.

[@BattousaiHBr]

@@dcabr224 your mistake is thinking we view Jordan's opinions of religion above Ben's. Jordan "what do you mean by God" Peterson

[@jdflyer7377]

I give Ben a thumbs up, he was polite, articulate, and perhaps most importantly interested and listened to what his guest had to say. Other podcast/youtube hosts should take a lesson here.

[@shravanraj3108]

As a person who is born to Jain Parents, Sam and Ben talking about Jainism at 30:00 made my day 😆

[@sanjana9695]

You shouldn’t be happy for the mere mention of our religion (I’m jain myself) it was appalling to me that Ben Shapiro absolutely ignored non-Abrahamic religions and Jainism is much more than Ben put it out to be. I personally really liked Sam Harris in this debate.

[@shravanraj3108]

@@sanjana9695 Right. Probably I shouldn't be. But you don't see people talking about Jainism on international forums much. Yes, Ben Shapiro is not really guided by reason and facts here. PS I'm not really religious. I'm Jain only culturally.

[@karthikeyanm.v8381]

Some of the concepts in Jainism is taken into Hinduism.

[@shravanraj3108]

@@karthikeyanm.v8381 Correct. Undoubtedly

[@biometa6232]

my paternal family is Jain and I was pleasantly surprised with its appearance precisely because no one really knows about it!

[@SomeonessChannel]

This conversation was so made with such an intent to be intellectually honest and genuine to the point that i'm almost crying. How rare is to see such thing.

[@billguthrie2218]

Sam Harris is the best.

[@audsunheatpumpgroup9812]

Arm with enough knowledge, people will not be angry or agitated if their belief and perception are being chanllenged and questioned, because they can back up their position, with all the knowledge they got from extensive reading. It is those who got the knowledge from someone else, defend that secondary knowledge without individual thinking, when chanllenged, lacks the information to defend their position, those people tend to resort to violence, as they can no longer defend their believe and blames it on the other people who have different opinions, they view it as insult, where as most of the time, it is just rational questions. Frankly it is quite stupid, but it is still happening in todays world, like the fight between Liberal and Republican.

[@faktafakta316]

my problem with Ben Shaprio is that he is too smart to actually believe the bullshit he is saying, which mean he is intentionally lying

[@rhunefader9428]

This is the type of conversation we should all aspire to

[@rolanddeschain6089]

You can get hold of handkerchiefs during Shapiro's disturbing promotional hijackings.

[@PaulRoneClarke]

Left wing atheist and a right wing Jew. Talking, discussing agreeing and disagreeing on a range of topics civilly. This is possible because neither of them are arse holes.

[@davefx7949]

It's beautiful.

[@danmccarron0]

Sam Harris is not so much a left-wing person. He is a liberal with no real modern 'leftist' tendencies. Also both bright and incredibly well spoken. I have never heard anyone challenge Ben Shapiro (a phenomenal thinker and debater) so well. Thank you Sam and Ben.

[@davefx7949]

@@danmccarron0 You think too highly of Ben, he's not bad. But he's no expert. Also, doesn't Sam Harris describe himself as left in this very video?

[@danmccarron0]

@@davefx7949 I don't agree with Ben on a lot of things but he is more well read and his arguments are better posed than most. Nobody is an expert on everything obviously. I ascribe this to Sam personally not based on his self-description which likely falls outside of the common notion of what is on the American "left." Personally I think "Left" is a bad thing and "liberal" is a good thing. These days The label "Left" is applied to "liberal" just like "right" is applied to "conservative" but Thomas Sowell is not right-wing like Rush Limbaugh and Sam Harris is not left like, say, Malcom Nance - to use a pair of overrated pundits who could not hold a candle to either of the former, intellectually.. So in the classical sense yes but there is a wide disparity between them and modern evolutions of these labels. And stacking Sam against the political philosophy of the (stereo)typical university professor in the USA these days makes it clear

[@jerry8405]

Lol more like ben was lectured to.

[@LoweJensen]

I'm quite glad, and even surprised that debates like these get millions of views. This needs to reach further.

[@drkevns]

Sam: the Bible forces you to do mental acrobatics to fit it to the real world. Ben: the Bible is an anchor. and there is slack in the line. lol yeah, those kind of acrobatics.

[@papercut7141]

Computer no understand metaphor

[@DR34DL0RDD43DRA]

I'm not sold on Policy Genius yet.

[@warbler1984]

What about the mattresses?

[@abhimanyu3505]

How about free real estate.

[@marvelikov1]

Suggestion to youtube: Add a shapiro level to the speed button that alternates between 0.75 and 1.25 for shapiro and the other guy respectively

[@Kanzu999]

That's so true, I usually listen at 1.25 speed, but that's just too fast when it's Shapiro speaking.

[@andresandbergfek]

Haha if you put Shapiro on 0.75 speed. He actually speaks in a good speed there, haha.

[@James-cb7nb]

You should try and listen to what Sam says and realize he should probably stay at 1 speed. Ben talks faster but says less. Also have some fucking respect for Sam Harris. He's at least twice as smart as Ben

[@chrism8311]

I like Sam. He knows the audience consists of all sorts of people, so he speaks at a speed and uses language that everyone can understand. People like Shapiro should learn from him.

[@raymondyoung4204]

🥱you just yapping

[@willrobbins2550]

Except Sam’s “wide audience” Is far smaller than Ben’s

[@Beatit19]

@@willrobbins2550unfortunately

[@michaelwurm5288]

By learn from him, you mean agree with you and join you on the voyage of futility and stupidity.

[@anthonyfarina338]

I have no idea how someone as educated and smart as Ben Shapiro could have so much cognitive dissonance when it comes to certain topics.

[@Hugoknots]

I second that. 😂😂😂

[@patrickstephens1203]

He is a moralist and bases his position on The Moral Law Giver. Shapiro’s knowledge goes beyond thoughts of men. Sam’s “facts” are subjective, he relies only on limited ideas of other men - and formulates his opinions from those observations. They both articulate ideas with ease, however Ben is a realist and Sam a relativist: there is no truth if it is relative to your existential reality. Sam has no foundation. Ben stands on stone.

[@skthenovelist9501]

@@patrickstephens1203you have your analysis of them completely backwards.

[@ujin5610]

LMAO true.@@skthenovelist9501

[@mero8351]

@@patrickstephens1203Ben stands on the Bible. As far away from stone as you can get lol

[@subzero-yv7ln]

Nice Ben, the actor from Meet the parents, finally!!!

[@Realelduque]

Shinkansen touché

[@mrspress8057]

Sandmanuel that’s because he is a reasonable person. Not every religious person hates homosexuals just because they view the act of homosexuality a sin. We all sin, if we hate everyone bc they sin, we will hate everyone and ourselves.

[@timmcclymont3527]

Shinkansen xddd

[@TheBardorp]

Mrs Press I think you missed the joke...

[@mrspress8057]

Bardorp just because there is a joke in the comment doesn’t make the whole comment a joke.

[@NavaidSyed]

Regardless of my differences with both of them, this is how intelligent people talk.

[@tommymc7535]

Mah man!

[@mattgaebel7341]

"intelligence" is subjective....just like "attractive women and men" is subjective...just because there's a human majority consensus of what "intelligence might be" doesn't make it objectively intelligent.

[@mattgaebel7341]

also...who created the objective term for intelligence? the cave men who had no concept of such according to historical textbooks...

[@NavaidSyed]

@@mattgaebel7341 There are very objective tests for intelligence. You may have preference for certain aspect of intelligence just like the preference for certain aspects of beauty, though. Trust me, cavemen, if there was ever anything like that, had definitive sense of beauty and intelligence. They may not had scientific definitions and measurements. But, they definitely knew these qualities.

[@mattgaebel7341]

@@NavaidSyed hey navaid, great points man :). But also, there are objective tests, but who created the word "intelligence" is what I'm saying to define it as such.

[@Luckzee]

SO READY FOR THE NEXT ONE. The longer the better.

[@andrewjames1416]

these types of long thought out ideas and conversations with truly intellectual people is what the world really needs. to open up minds per say

[@jjfasho]

The second half of this conversation was really great. Ben pushed on Sam's view of morality in some interesting ways and I think Sam defended his points as reasonably and eloquently as he always does.

[@GitanandaChess]

32:40 "The fact that you and I could improve the Bible with very little thought just by taking out ... if we just took out the worst passages which have no possible redeemable content this year, or I would argue any other year - the Bible is already improved. So the fact that we can edit it to anyone's advantage is a problem for the idea that this was written by an omniscient being..."

[@justinrees2400]

Rama Gitananda the Bible was written by men inspired by god and later changed by men who were not

[@GitanandaChess]

Justin Rees wouldn't you have to see the original to know that?

[@justinrees2400]

Rama Gitananda it’s a matter of studying several different translations and understanding the history of how the Bible was put together. Also if you believe in modern day revelation continuing the truths found in the Bible things become much clearer.

[@GitanandaChess]

Justin Rees, raising the subject of "different translations" seems like a red herring since my question was about the original scriptures which were not written in English. My question was rhetorical - of course you need knowledge of the original scriptures to know if they were "later changed".

[@Iamcodecue]

I think we forget that history didn't start yesterday or even 300 years ago. The bible is written for people over 2000 years ago and is still pertinent for us today. Jesus completed the old testament and gave us a new covenant of grace. So when you say verses that could be taken out..you forget that people didn't have certain medicine 4000 years ago and it was best for them not to eat certain foods or practice certain things..

[@danielprsguitar]

These are my two favorite intellectuals in the public sphere. Both are fantastically brilliant. This was a real treat to watch.

[@TiagoCavalcanti-ji6hu]

I'm confused. Sam is an intellectual. Ben is... well, you don't really know? He's been debunked in every single one of his claims. By actual intellectuals. And Logic alone. Ben is a con.

[@willrobbins2550]

@@TiagoCavalcanti-ji6huone correct statement from Ben Shapiro, of which there are obviously many, disproves your entire comment. What a dumb thing to say

[@iI_Principe]

Since when did Ben sharpiro become anything other than a political commentator that stupid people like to watch?

[@dustinkern5273]

Thank you we need more of this.

[@ayubsharif7419]

I loves this discussion, very insightful. Love from a Muslim viewer Ben.

[@walkingonsunshine1568]

Ayub Sharif apostatise

[@90schildnostalgia]

I think you guys should be more respectful of this guy. Regardless of his ideology, I doubt he advocates killing apostates if he liked Sam Harris

[@1992AJL]

90schildnostalgia respect would be great, but the irony of this movement is their incessant ‘it’s ok to disagree’ or ‘intellectual tolerance’ message, yet their audience being the most intolerant bunch imaginable.

[@GZCon]

Alex Lewis I think it's just the loudest ones mate... at least I hope so!

[@90schildnostalgia]

Death for apostasy is up for debate in the Quran. Yes, it's a horrible concept but not one that all Muslims subscribe to. My problem with you is that you want to tar all Muslims with the same brush. He did nothing but complement the conversation so for you to go for the jugular is unwarranted, and only likely to antagonise moderate Muslims. You are actually preventing a reasonable discussion which is precisely what Ben Shapiro and Sam Harris value. I'd suggest you 1) get to know the wide range of Muslim beliefs and practices held across the world, much like Christianity it is not homogeneous, 2) have a little empathy for other human beings who may have been born into such ideologies and 3) think about a solution to the problem

[@juniorgod321]

I liked him in Tropic Thunder!

[@MiguelRamirez-bk7eb]

juniorgod321 DIET COKE!!!!!!

[@joelbrandow3023]

Original

[@codycast]

juniorgod321 huh?

[@MiguelRamirez-bk7eb]

codycast Ben Stiler starts in Tropic Thunder, him and Sam Harris are almost twins.

[@xmanc5687]

😂😂

[@shaktischauhan]

I have never seen Ben Shapiro so quiet

[@mrjohnlee7370]

A great meaningful conversation. Thank you Ben and Sam!

[@volusiasorange]

it's a total mental massacre. a genius versus a grifting moron

[@slowburnpersonaltrainingst4586]

Shapiro is WAY out of Harris' league.

[@volusiasorange]

@@slowburnpersonaltrainingst4586 In that Shapiro is retarded and an idiot grifter who panders to morons without any actual tangible points or information? Did you say this backward? How is it possible that a human being could watch this and come to that conclusion? Astonishing

[@lolwtf229]

@@slowburnpersonaltrainingst4586 Hah, ok!

[@user-io6eq9gt6w]

@@slowburnpersonaltrainingst4586 way out of his league... in terms of a LACK of intellectual honesty and philosophical rigor? well then sure

[@tipoomaster]

Ben bruh, just prerecord the ad reads and insert them in post

[@UndrState]

What ? No , c'mon , I love that old school ad pitching . The old black and white sitcoms used to work them into the show . I like it , a little more give-a-fuck and it seems much less annoying that ads on tv.

[@stephenward2743]

Something I've noticed is that on whatever channel, 80% of ad reads are 30 or 60 seconds long so they are very easy to skip with the 10 second skip key on pc and mobile, totally does ruin the flow of conversation though yeah.

[@tipoomaster]

He could still make direct pitches that way, just without interrupting the guest.

[@UndrState]

Ah , I get what you're saying now . It's not the direct pitches , like he does on his regular show , that bothers you - it's that he's doing it while with a guest . I take your point . I supposed I'd prefer if we got a full hour of interview .

[@robertv.escuadro6375]

Pre-roll and mid-roll live reads are just the way podcasts are monetized in the current market.

[@phuse99]

Ben pulled a really good move by doing Sunday specials. They're fantastic.

[@dogelife7901]

needs to work on the ads. Doesn't everyone have a patreon now?

[@mathewhill5556]

phuse99 What about the Sabbath? Does no one care about the Sabbath?

[@phuse99]

Well, if its a day if rest, i'd interpret that as do what you want on that day. and they're pre-recorded.

[@squarerootof2]

The Sabbath is Saturday, I think. Sunday for Christians.

[@mathewhill5556]

SquareRootOf2 No I don't think so. I worked for an Israeli company and they where practicing Jew's who always closed Sunday for the Sabbath. The reason Christianity uses Sunday for Sabbath is because of ancient Judaism. Though I have heard you can take the Sabbath any day. As long as you set one day aside for rest, and contemplation. I believe most people use the 7th day of the week, because that is the day YHWH rest's after the creation of the world in the old testament.

[@lylemacdonald6672]

This is how intellectuals debate differences of opinions. Decorum personified. A pleasure to listen to and to watch. This is what university was like when I attended 45 years ago.

[@MarkCornelissen]

I cannot describe the amount of enjoyment listing to Sam blasting away the historical argument

[@thatguy720]

He didn’t blast it away, because he was using “I think” multiple times. He was giving his opinion of historical significance in relation to morality.

[@miquelr2353]

A scientist is cautious in the way they speak, contrary to religious people who always claim they Know

[@Rryan8065]

@@miquelr2353perfect rebuttal.

[@lolololllll]

@@thatguy720cope and seethe. It’s called humility, unlike the dogmatic people who think their feelings are the absolute reality

[@thatguy720]

@@Rryan8065 That’s not what a rebuttal is

[@seekluv]

Jesus, Sam Harris is just endlessly knowledgeable and unstoppable. Great, thoughtful answers to every question. Blows my mind how all that can fit in one head.

[@nonmagicmike723]

Well, he did rehash some twenty-year experience with the topic of religion. A lot of the arguments Sam made here were mentioned in The End of Faith and Letter to a Christian Nation. Not that this makes these arguments any less valid.

[@xxxmmm3812]

if sam impresses you, you havent read much well written atheist literature and i say that as a christian...

[@seekluv]

@@xxxmmm3812 I realize that his ideas are not neccessairly purely his own but a mixture of all that he's read on the subject which is more than you or I can say I reckon. I like how he calmly articulates his points in his responses though. Also not quite as eloquent and original as this might be from John Stuart Mill on religion: "He (Mill’s father) regarded it with the feelings due not to a mere mental delusion, but to a great moral evil. He looked upon it as the greatest enemy of morality: first, by setting up fictitious excellences, --belief in creeds, devotional feelings, and ceremonies, not connected with the good of human kind, --and causing these to be accepted as substitutes for genuine virtues: but above all, by radically vitiating the standard of morals; making it consist in doing the will of a being, on whom it lavishes indeed all the phrases of adulation, but whom in sober truth it depicts as eminently hateful....Think of a being who would make a Hell --who would create the human race with the infallible foreknowledge, and therefore with the intention, that the great majority of them were to be consigned to horrible and everlasting torment. The time, I believe, is drawing near when this dreadful conception of an object of worship will be no longer identified with Christianity...The same slovenliness of thought, and subjection of the reason to fears, wishes and affections, which enable them to accept a theory involving a contradiction in terms, prevents them from perceiving the logical consequences of the theory…The evil is, that such a belief keeps the ideal wretchedly low; and opposes the most obstinate resistance to all thought which has a tendency to raise it higher. Believers shrink from every train of ideas which would lead the mind to a clear conception and an elevated standard of excellence, because they feel (even when they do not distinctly see) that such a standard would conflict with many of the dispensations of nature, and with much of what they are accustomed to consider as the Christian creed. And thus morality continues a matter of blind tradition, with no consistent principle, nor even any consistent feeling, to guide it. " - John Stuart Mill

[@kadenhepner9767]

He's a philosophical thinker who experimented with drugs. If you want to expand your thinking, deeper more complex thinking then listen to him; Or you can work towards self improvement through faith like many people do.

[@radthadd]

@@kadenhepner9767 Ha ha. No. Just. No

[@RubinReport]

Worlds are colliding...

[@houndnobleman876]

These two could go back-and-forth for hours.

[@CoolCoolBeanz]

HOW DOES THIS NOT HAVE MORE LIKES

[@jonwalters9834]

I agree with that.

[@dirhido9665]

I Uhgaree

[@Chad-Whiteman]

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[@lespaulwylde]

i for one have no choice but to say, that just the fact that these wonderful conversations can finally take place just gives me so much hope for humanity, i do not agree with Sam on religion, however I hold a respect for his ability to conversate/debate these topics with such a genuine intense desire for enlightenment past his own respect. this shit is phenomenal

[@Laberlampe]

I love the discussion on revelation vs. reason/choice/imperfection from both of them. JPs 4 part Discussion with Harris was similar, but this one seemed easier to follow. The really great thing however, is that you can watch BOTH!

[@jalucaru]

Ok NOW i want to see a D&D session with Sam, Ben, Jordan, Bret, Joe and Steven.

[@tylerdurden4483]

Der Jannynator and Eric Weinstein 👌

[@cognitivescience9924]

Just San, Ben, Peterson, and Neil

[@MiguelSeabraMelo]

If you're from the 70s/80s then you know D&D is of the devil. Fact. 🤣

[@blueodorofspace8474]

All while high af

[@SeanLKearns]

Sam:warlock, Shapiro:sorcerer, Peterson:cleric, Joe:monk/ranger, Bret:Paladin, Crowder:barbarian.

[@Marcus-ft3bj]

Thank you Sam Harris and Ben Shapiro for listening to eachothers' arguments and staying civilized through the entirety of this. Great conversation

[@rogiervanbakel]

Shapiro speaks like I've accidentally turned up the speed by half.

[@jefftheriault7260]

I expect he's usually up against a flood of florid rehetoric, where the main point is to get in a reply that allows you to build up another fountain of words to bury the opponent in.

[@RandomTask]

A nightmare for non native speakers.

[@friendraps4621]

This is like kind of the funniest thing I've ever watched but also intellectually stimulating. I wish we had a CSPAN type thing dedicated to discussions like this, ad reading included.

[@slimjimmy149]

It takes a significant amount of energy, intellect, and research to pull off a coherent debate regardless of the topic. People genuinely don't care enough, are too busy, or are too dumb to devote the mental resources. But hell, they'll shout a mantra, post a regurgitated facebook meme, and hold a sign for hours on end just as long as they don't have to think and articulate their argument, if they even have one...

[@audsunheatpumpgroup9812]

Well, sadly the number of individual thinker who consider every opinions and reasoning out there before arriving at a conclusion is too few. It is much easier for most people to form an opinon base on what they are being fed, much easier to post facebook and hold signs for hours. Because to be able to be a individual thinker, you need to read a lot to learn, be able to question your own belief to strenghthen it, most people simply dont have time or the will to do it, they would rather made up their mind base on information someone else fed them, then defend these opinion base on information that doesn't show every element of the discussion. Thats why when their argument become rather weak, they get angry and agigtated, because these opinions are not from themselves, and they lack the information to back up what they said. So they either start cursing or ignoring other sides opinions or even start fights. Individual thinking that can be back up by tons of informations needs a lot of work to achieve, i am sure these guys read tons of book and research, and most people are lasy and just want a quick answer they can stick to, unforunately.

[@clearsky4042]

Great comment couldn't agree more

[@errands8253]

spot on

[@MrWackozacko]

I really want social policies that discourage idiots from breeding for this reason

[@mermiez1]

Love Harris, Love Shapiro, Love Peterson, Love the Weinstein brothers, Love Pinker, and I could go on with the list, all for different reasons and one similar crucial reason....they all have the sack to engage people that don't agree with them and keep it civil and productive.

[@isoutoforbit]

also they're all incredibly intelligent, even if their conclusions differ.

[@ThyReverend]

They’re all also actually interested in others perspectives. These conversations are a means to coming to mutual understandings. Many other people (eg. mainstream media) are merely trying to impose their perspectives on others while assuming their own beliefs to be the “right” ones. So thankful for this technology that allows us to listen in on true good faith conversations.

[@isoutoforbit]

to add to this, I find it childish how many comments are whining over the commercial breaks, you're listening to one of the most intriguing 1 hour conversations out there for free, people have forgotten how amazing such accessibility is.

[@Paul-em4ey]

YES! This type of intellectual honesty makes me want to cry for joy. When I see these people walk away with an actual friendship despite their potently contrasted differences it gives me hope for society.

[@amidnightstroll376]

Replace pinker with taleb and I'm with you

[@EzerEben]

35:15 Ben makes an honest claim for the use of the Bible... and Sam answers simply and brilliantly. This, I think, is the central point of the conversation.

[@algot34]

The bible is useless though

[@signlanguage7624]

I love how Ben jumps right into his ad time and then goes right back into his show topic with his guest.

[@withbravado1548]

I really enjoyed this talk. Very respectful and deep. I wish it was 7 hours longer. Props to both sides.

[@LawofCinema]

It's like watching Magneto play chess with Professor X.

[@jlopez47]

Nah, that would be Harris and Peterson in a discussion. Ben is slightly over matched here.

[@ryrez4478]

LawofCinema no ben is wrong Sam is right.

[@FalconOfStorms]

You have to up those standards. They were both pretty bad at this. Ben is such a smart guy but when it comes to this he's no good. The evidence for theism is pretty overwhelming but on this topic he randomly decides "you can't use evidence on this". Well, yes you can. Sam is almost as equally low quality in his arguments. Especially where the historical record is concerned. He just buys into the grade school textbook account of medieval Europe, for instance (and Ben doesn't even know how to counter those basic errors). No serious historian really thinks the "dark ages" were a real thing anymore, even if the term still gets used. It was an era remarkable for its low amounts of violence and steady technological and political progress. If Sam debated someone like a Norman Geisler he'd be out of his league. I have no idea how this guy got famous for arguing for atheism except choosing ignorant opponents to make himself look good?

[@balerionthedread9284]

jlopez47 Harris argues religion all the time. Ben analyzes politics. Sam would be a bit out of his element going down the political rabbit hole too.

[@balerionthedread9284]

Seraph O. Storms so when you say there's evidence for theism, what are you talking about specifically? I agree with you, im just curious to know your point of view. What should Ben have referenced that he didn't?

[@imoeazy]

Chilled, open minded, simple and straight to the point..the hightest and most true philosophical being, just as I imagined

[@edgarm8232]

One of the fundamental problems with this conversation is that aside from a brief mention of Gandhi and Jainism, it effectively ignored any religion outside the Abrahamic ones. It ignores the fact that religion and law evolved independent of the Judeo-Christian influence in China and Japan. As early as 1600 BC, the Shang Dynasty had developed writing meaning that laws could be codified. The fact that Asian cultures had well-developed morality and ethical thought outside of the influence of Abrahamic mythology demonstrates that Shapiro is not just wrong but demonstrably wrong.

[@Shaffaqwamiq]

Just read this exact comment on reddit. I was thinking of including it here but you beat me to it. good job

[@jagathijd8204]

I would say the same about Thirukkural, a book of ethics which co-existed with the Manu Smriti in India. One showing no inclination to any religion and the latter that emphasizes casteism.

[@BattousaiHBr]

sam did mention along those lines several times. 40:39 sam talks about how it predates even human civilizations.

[@michaelwilwand8036]

A reasonable argument is that God has inspired people in all cultures to reveal morality to their followers, whether it be Gandhi, Buddha, Mohammed, Moses, etc.

[@Saul_Goodman555]

@Killuah Zoldyc Agreed. And even in the 21st century, those "peace loving" you know what, bribe poor non Christians into converting to their barbaric cult for food, otherwise, they are left to starve. Christianity has done so much harm and should be banned not only in Europe, but all over the world.