The Deprogram Episode 144 - Project 2025 EXPOSED😲

[@Al-Andalusian]

Hakim doing the nomnomnomnomnom at the start felt super wholesome for some reason

[@noname-bu1ux]

"why would you want the seedless ones?" Real talk tho.

[@lordeastwood]

I pressed rewind like several times because I started the video without plugging my phone into the car's aux port and all I got was MMMMMMHHH repeated like 5 fucking times lmao

[@AriSolMorningstar]

-Complains woke people are policing words -Starts criminalising words Make it make sense

[@ConnorGPreston]

Hakim's notable frustration with having to analyze this conservative trash is food for my soul. Nomnomnomnomnom

[@PatrickCervantez]

I'm so glad I never went down the hypercaffinated energy drink rabbit hole, even before I got sick. That shit terrifies me.

[@Praisethesunson]

It is wild the things are legal for us to consume.

[@franjkav]

What a strange thing to be terrified of

[@Flamewarden_Honoushugoshin]

@@franjkav Didn't someone die of a heart attack because of the caffeinated lemonade at Panera? Like, sure, that person probably had heart issues or something and definitely drank more than they should have, but caffeine is a surprisingly potent drug, people take that shit way too casually. Maybe not as obvious of an issue as alcoholism, but I can understand someone being similarly scared of it as with alcohol.

[@FirestormMk3]

@@Flamewarden_Honoushugoshin Worth remembering when it comes to choosing how much to drink, it resulted from the purchase of a standard single-serving size of drink. When people order say a large coffee somewhere they quite reasonably don't expect a lethal dose of caffeine. I don't blame the customer in this kind of situation. It's not surprising though that as a stimulant that helps with productivity caffeine isn't just legal but generally encouraged. You're supposed to take a bunch of it so you can be productive at work.

[@franjkav]

@@Flamewarden_Honoushugoshin being terrified of corporations makes a lot more sense to me than being terrified of caffeine

[@RevolutionaryFeministVideo]

34:24-34:31 I couldn't help. Like, I dead-ass made the joke "Yeah, and as long as you complain, we add 5 more!" Commenting for the algorithm as well ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

[@seamussc]

The 3/5ths Compromise never implied that enslaved people were 3/5ths a person, they remained 0/0ths of a person in tue eyes of the law. The 3/5ths compromise meant that slaveowning states could count 3/5ths of the total population towards reprsentation in Congress, so slave states could get more representatives in Congress-- so essentially, the more slaves your states' residents had, the more their votes counted.

[@WillieEarlSon]

I did a research paper on energy drinks in jr.high, and i haven’t touched one since. Start reading it messes with your fun parts like sheeeeeesh

[@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45]

I don’t even drink coffee.

[@joeheuft]

It’s easy to lose when you’re up against a fire hose of inflated mega-billionaire cash.

[@deadmanwalking8242]

Hakim calling me out cleaning my bathroom - yes I do have time

[@nobody4248]

Red pilled? No I'm red suppositorird.

[@abody499]

hi nobody, i'm abody. your comment is amusing. thanks.

[@fukuu7998]

@@abody499 FED FED FED

[@noname-bu1ux]

lets go, that's how i take my political theory!

[@EnverHalilHoxha1917]

Thank you daddy hakim for your health advice I will be taking 1 gram of caffeine tous les jours!!!!!

[@Turdfergusen382]

Can’t wait til we look back on Gen X “daddy” talk for what it is. Cringe.

[@wcjerky]

...chaque heure de la journée, j'espère.

[@auroraofclanborealis]

@@Turdfergusen382 Bro, let people have fun

[@WillieEarlSon]

This why we need educated people in their respective fields discussing certain matters that relates to the masses. Its something about trusting science of the past but when presented with new information its considered “pushing an agenda” or trying to discredited someone from the past instead of accepting that people are actively still doing research and studies then coming to new conclusions

[@techloidtech2051]

Actually the Lebanese Beita Mouni grapes were used to create what are called Moon Drops, a kind of grape developed in California.

[@seekingabsolution1907]

Cool. New episode of the deprogram, just after the last episode of Murder Drones dropped yesterday. The harvest is bountiful this week.

[@mohamdmlg9027]

It's indeed a good day

[@Kye9842]

two episodes about fighting an all-consuming, planet-destroying threat via an iconic trio being edgy and wholesome

[@MaestroKatProductions]

Didn’t expect Murder Drones to be mentioned here haha

[@seekingabsolution1907]

​@@Kye9842I think it is quite safe to say that cyn is a narrative stand in for capitalist consumerism. Based Liam Vickers.

[@seekingabsolution1907]

​@@MaestroKatProductionssometimes I need to have hobbies outside of political activism. I contain multitudes and most of them are maladaptive daydreams/fanfiction of speculative fiction works.

[@doktorhabilitowanystanczyk]

more like project stinky

[@OurCollectiveBlahaj]

More like project poopy hed

[@fightthepowerman]

Damn son. Dr. Hakim to the burn ward, please, we gotta charred facist gameplan.

[@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45]

Projekt Poopenfarten (STRENG GEHEIM order from Der Scheisseführer of Burgundy himself)

[@ashdog9235]

So true comrade 😔

[@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45]

Projekt Poopenfarten (STRENG GEHEIM)

[@Торговецложками]

God, I feel physical pain when the inserts from the original material appear. The woman from the first half reminds me of that Nazi educator from the Rabbit JoJo, who said that the Jews bewitched her relative so that he would cheat on his wife.

[@potatopotatow]

Me 17 min into this video using a toothbrush to clean the bathroom sink: 😐

[@jimmypickles1123]

I think the reason there is so much disagreement on the left is because that's where the actual conversation is happening.

[@Praisethesunson]

The right argues. Usually about which group of non whites to hate the most.

[@Kye9842]

Do they talk about this in the video? I forget but I feel like they mentioned leftist infighting not really being a thing before.

[@jimmypickles1123]

@@Kye9842 They only mentioned it briefly, if I remember correctly. But, yeah, most of the disagreement seems to be pretty minor. I just meant that disagreement, where it does occur, doesn't have to be interpreted as a bad thing. It's a sign that people are actually communicating and working toward something better.

[@kamikazealpaca08]

A TWO HOUR DEPROGRAM EPISODE WHAT A TREAT

[@joshuamarx8209]

*Republican Party policy goals since 1948; REMINDING.

[@Rahshu]

God, that was painful! It's really exhausting dealing with people who are so aggressively ignorant or outright dishonest. Dr. Hakim, how do you keep faith in God? Conservatism has nearly managed to extinguish that flame in me. Ugh...

[@latoyamoore555]

You guys are so gay for each other and I AM HERE FOR IT!!!!

[@squirrel_slapper]

My god this is one of the best episodes yet, so joyful and comedic in direct response to pure banal evil. Like a crash course on Absurdism.

[@3rddegreeheartbreak]

I promote you guys all the time

[@Ftjxmmged]

I used to drink 4x600ml of energy drinks per day. Undiagnosed sleep disorder and adhd lol. I drank a coffee at 5pm last night and could sleep. I wish my anxiety went away when I stopped drinking caffeine. It definitely doesn't help me and I've learnt to avoid it

[@abody499]

"a little circle with a finger" 😂

[@Comrade_Uraqi]

R u Iraqi?

[@abody499]

@@Comrade_Uraqi what an interesting question

[@Comrade_Uraqi]

@@abody499 if u r, don't u think Hakim is getting too western oriented? I can't help but see that everytime I watch him too much "western culture"

[@abody499]

@@Comrade_Uraqi not really sure how someone can be "too [western/eastern/whatever]"

[@Comrade_Uraqi]

@@abody499 only discussing things that are related to x place while it's more irrelevant to your y place from an x place standpoint and arguments

[@angryyordle4640]

I'm fairly sure those people would reject 1+1 does not always equal 2 as well. I've certainly heard that before. Those types of people reject anything that challenges preconceived notions. Meanwhile as a programmer the concept of 1+1=10 is the foundation of my entire occupation

[@abody499]

18:21 😂proud to be a part of that denomination

[@POWER6367]

How dare you say that at the 63 minute mark. I know it was uploaded 4 minutes ago.

[@dovahkitty3916]

"begins hilariously actually" are the first three words from the 63 minuet mark

[@adrs1380]

A thousand gender identities. And they haven't even read on the reproductive cycles of fungi, how much fun they would have with that.

[@Ajente02]

I always laugh at the conservative idea of discrete ammounts of gender identities (like if gender was a quantifiable measure and not a spectre of behaviors and societal norms).

[@will823]

Suprise and long episode let's go ya boi

[@joeyrufo]

1:06:11 "learn how a prosperous Russia became oppressive" TALK ABOUT "ORWELLIAN"! 👀👀👀👀👀

[@deptusmechanikus7362]

Literally project deez

[@EnverHalilHoxha1917]

Deez what

[@KR-mm4el]

​@@EnverHalilHoxha1917disney

[@NoxAeterna-wf4iv]

​@@EnverHalilHoxha1917 deez nuts!

[@yahyafati]

@@EnverHalilHoxha1917 Deez Apples Rollin

[@hpalpha7323]

they can't argue in bad faith if they're dead

[@valorieya]

42:58 a soviet style parody of this slop? id genuinely pay for it.

[@kaeganjones2441]

three wise men

[@carlos_herrera]

Evidently you can butt chug all the way to the Supreme Court in the US

[@fightthepowerman]

And they said the American Dream is dead smh

[@gojiplusone]

Deprogram in one tab, Premier League in another. Letsgoooooooo

[@KR-mm4el]

farmers league

[@emanuelneagu14]

​@@KR-mm4elit's pretty bourgeois afaik /s

[@frankfochtman4800]

Playing RE4 on that Game Cube?

[@Ajente02]

JT has said in previous streams he's actually playing Super Smash Bros.

[@goitcore]

They occupied a grape!

[@iraviya]

I used to pull all-nighters to get work done. Now I pull all-nighters because flashbacks frequently leave me unable to sleep. And yeah, had to give up caffeine 'cause it made the palpitations worse.

[@CheeseRat12]

Jaboody Dubs!

[@Hell2Kaiser]

I was happy when Hakeem named dropped them.

[@Trapashow]

"And God said unto the Goblins: WAAH! "

[@Nyota7766]

Yes new deprogram ep.

[@dl-zf9dj]

OhWowIndeedComrade

[@pleash214]

Starts here 9:46

[@furiouscartman5338]

Great episode

[@franjkav]

Not me sitting here drinking the first of my daily 2-3 Monsters, having just taken the first 20mg of my 60mg daily Adderall….😂

[@Praisethesunson]

Adding uppers to uppers until you are sky high is definitely a mood.

[@franjkav]

@@Praisethesunson I wish I was getting high

[@ericcarabetta1161]

Yea ADHD! I take my morning Vyvanse with an energy drink and a caffeine pill, and another 1-2 in the afternoon also with a caffeine pill. I barely even feel it, I could fall asleep on command pretty much at any point in the day. It sucks.

[@franjkav]

@@ericcarabetta1161 I could also fall asleep pretty much anytime. I don’t experience drowsiness from boredom and lack of engagement anymore at least. Prior to diagnosis/meds, I was half asleep more often than not and when I was I probably felt obnoxiously angry from the sense of boredom

[@golfila3872]

i love goppy

[@Randy.Rascal.Rabbit]

Its all so familiar, damn all this cos harry bridges :p

[@glimmer_twin]

Oh hell yeh

[@AsikariLoneWolf]

I found the most cartoon-ish villain in all of the videos to be Dan Huff, in the video about Navigating Policymaking. A lot of it was him barely holding back his giddiness about making liberals and progressives and Leftists unhappy. The other part was when he said that when those groups get upset about changes being made in the laws, regulations, etc, that they (the Conservatives/MAGA) would make the laws/etc even worse.

[@Praisethesunson]

Feeding on the hatred of the people he wishes to oppress.

[@LeoiCaangWan]

Has no one introduced JT to affogatos yet?

[@Swordphobic]

Yes.

[@israelsalgado2499]

I feel like I'm watching an episode of The Boys

[@urek9808]

I only watch to hear hakim laughing

[@yinfox07]

1:44:23 Has anyone seen this video? I'm trying to find it with little luck.

[@lulianjuliuswassbach]

What does yani mean?

[@BlakeGeometrio]

"y'know" or "um". It's just a filler word.

[@lulianjuliuswassbach]

@@BlakeGeometrio thx

[@OneEyedMonkey9000]

Why don’t you do the Marxist training video? One reason might be “fear of the algorithm” you could spend months compiling and checking everything and get 30 views… I’d be one of those 30. If I’m not too busy 😂😢😢

[@Ajente02]

I'd LOVE some king of Marxist Crash Course, explaining basic and complex concepts, historical facts, and myths about Marxism.

[@MrEdHasibuan1996]

double the time on a conservative proposal (that's already happening anyways) than on Kopmala Harris, who is currently in power and is doing a genocide.

[@ThatCamel104]

boy howdy, I guess you can't please everyone...

[@MrEdHasibuan1996]

@@ThatCamel104 as leftists we should understand that "Project 2025" is already happening and is just being used by lib dems to scare brunch eating libs to vote blue.

[@lana-jg4ho]

@@MrEdHasibuan1996YUUUUUUUUUUUP! sus indeed

[@antiroman458]

My dude that's because of the medium of reading and criticizing takes longer than yapping and criticizing. You ever been part of a book club?

[@MrEdHasibuan1996]

@@antiroman458 I'm just saying, as communists, focus more on the genocidal bourgeois government in power

[@WesternCommie]

1:39:50.. I do enjoy it all the same.

[@tylergriffin3667]

"Why can't we makea communist version of this , but better" I don't know. Wjy DON'T you.

[@HallyVee]

Why don't WE.

[@alimiti7265]

They just need to play defence, Also the money makes you able to do it professionally and sustainable. Your target audience are passive non-thinkers as well so you just have to sound right, smart and etc. There are lots of things that work against you. There needs to be a social network in order to run that sort of operation.

[@imamorp7980]

@@alimiti7265 Playing defence doesn't work against right wingers, when you prove them wrong they say something new, first it's "Communism is dictatorship" prove that wrong its "Communism leads to dictatorship" prove that wrong its "Communism never works" and so on forever.

[@eduardo121432]

Hello

[@homieslice1996]

8:40 that is why I drink alcohol to sleep; otherwise, I take GABA pills for sleep which replace alcohol. If you can sleep well without alcohol, then, for the love of you and humanity, sleep without alcohol. Marijuana works for some but not all, and for me as T1D created complications from long term use that pushed me to alcohol (I didn’t discover ML analysis until the latter end of the marijuana use). The alcohol is used to glaze over trauma. Please do what I couldn’t; especially the younger folks. If a communist revolution is achieved, then you could have some chance to at least enjoy alcohol unless you did so without getting jailed; otherwise, the have to keep onto the path otherwise the whole communist goal of vast abundance (with eco balance) and abolition of classes and states to an extent are a better long term plan.

[@Magnesium-BasedLifeform-i9e]

Become a magnesium-based lifeform like me. (Glycinate and citrate are better than magnesium oxide) If you can, try to taper off your alcohol consumption. It will ruin your quality of life in the long term

[@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45]

Generalplan 2025

[@homieslice1996]

Bros my gramps and uncle planted and nurtured Malaga and Muscat grapes that, though they have seeds, are tasty as fuck! White (green) and purple (red) grapes - all in one row. It is amazing!

[@Ligma.69420]

So, I have a legit question that I've been putting off asking for a while now because I didn't want to get shit on by other leftists just for being curious and still being pretty new... but is there actually any sort of concrete problem with Trotskyists besides the old Joe vs Leon personality clash, memes, and "what-if" shit? From what I've been able to gather by lurking in various places while trying to keep from becoming too personally invested, it seems like hatred for Trots mostly comes from old USSR-style grudges and a propaganda war between the Trots and the "Stalinists." Trots and what they call "Stalinists" all seem to want basically the same thing, as far as my limited experience has told me, so I don't really get why the beef is still there when the USSR doesn't even exist anymore. Anyways, that's my question. No anger or bitterness intended here. I'll give more background on why I'm asking below for anyone who happens to be even remotely interested in that boring shit (you do not have to read it, I promise): I had decided that I wanted to get organized earlier this year, but I hadn't actually joined any org other than the DSA, which I was starting to realize was pretty limited by their reformist and big tent approach. Gains for the working class right now are certainly important, but changing the worker's relationship to the means of production and establishing a worker's state is the big-picture goal to me. The DSA seemed to be more concerned with electoral politics and trying to drag the Democrats left, from what I could tell. I saw a pretty sweet (certainly by leftist standards) youtube video of a "new" party that was forming and promised to be active in aggressively building the party and fighting capital; this party is called the RCA - Revolutionary Communists of America. (I feel obligated to point out that these guys aren't the Avakianites, that's the RCP. The RCA used to be the IMT). I was so moved by the video that I had signed up within an hour of watching it. I signed up so quickly, actually, that I only realized after they had reached out to meet me in person that they were Trots. I was immediately VERY skeptical because of the online left's pervading negative attitudes towards Trots. Once I met them and spoke with them though, I wanted in. Call it new leftist puppy dog eyes or ignorance if you'd like. They seemed to be (and have actually been, at least in my area) very active - they get out there constantly. They've assigned lots of reading and they have weekly talks on some sort of Marxist text that everyone discusses together, often with actual real world activity either before or after the meetings (or both). They've worked with other leftist orgs near me like the PSL (activism for Palestine specifically) and tbh they've been growing like wildfire. They actively know how to use social media, and they use it VERY well compared to what I've seen from other leftist orgs (Fiona Lali from the UK section went viral recently, for example). Since I joined, my local group has more than doubled in size. Hell, even the newspaper shit has grown on me. I thought it was stupid and annoying as hell at first, and then I watched how many conversations it started IRL. I watched those conversations turn into contacts, and I realized that it's meant to get people talking to you. Valuable people who are already out and about in real life ACTUALLY doing shit. It's an easy conversation starter whether they buy the damn thing or not, and comrades constantly writing material for it keeps their knowledge fresh or gives them a reason to dive into some topics more deeply. No org is perfect ofc, so I'll list some things they can definitely improve upon now. My single biggest gripe by far - the older IMT people are way way WAY too aggressive and elitist to other leftists and leftist orgs. It's like if you aren't a Trotsky dickrider 100%, then to these people that means that you're an evil Stalinist demon who is secretly a conservative or even a fascist ice axe salesman. Some comrades even discouraged me from reading any more Parenti because he is a "Stalin apologist" and I responded by saying "I think that we can learn from everybody." Your ideas should stand or fall on their own merit, so no, I don't care who your favorite commie is/was. People tend to have both Ls and Ws, especially revolutionary historical figures. This bias in the org, I believe, is in the process of changing. The newer members (like myself) don't seem to have this deep hatred of the other orgs that the IMT veterans (largely) do. Hell, I don't even call myself a Trotskyist, and I refuse to apply any labels besides "Communist" to myself other than perhaps ML. I acknowledge that Trotsky does have some actual bangers ("Fascism: What it is and How to Fight It" and "The Transitional Program" for two examples that I've read and thought were pretty good) but I realize the history is complicated and is almost always skewed in presentation by either pro or anti Stalin sentiments. I don't really think it's possible to concretely settle that shit at this point, nor do I think it's the least bit important (practically speaking). FWIW I've read a little bit of Stalin as well and had no major problems with it. My other big problem with them is the fact that they (again, the older members in particular) can't seem to find one nice thing to say about any (remotely successful) attempt at a socialist country. Whether you think China is "Socialism with Chinese characteristics" or "Capitalism with Chinese characteristics" there does need to be some acknowledgement of the huge strides they have made with their planning, particularly their infrastructure rollout is inspiring to me. I personally think that it's this purity testing bullshit that fails to acknowledge how these systems can become disfigured or defensive when they are constantly fucked with by capitalist hegemony on a material, military, and political level. You don't have to say they achieved socialism or even stayed as true as you'd have liked, and you should be at least somewhat critical of all socialist projects no matter what, but acknowledge the oftentimes (if not universally) difficult conditions they found themselves in and acknowledge the progress that they made in spite of those circumstances. Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face. Luckily for me, both of these problem areas are becoming diluted by the rapid influx of new members with more open minds and less long-held bias, and I hope that they're reduced to the point of being a non-issue soon. Thank you for coming to my TED talk. Apologies lol, that was far longer than I intended. I guess I just felt like that background and my own criticisms of the RCA were necessary to include here in order to show that I'm not just blindly playing team sports.

[@Ajente02]

In my personal experience (I used to be more aligned with Trotskyism before seeing the light), what people find more attractive about Trotskyism, way before even reading a single book from the dude himself, is the preconceived idea (based mostly on anticommunist propaganda) that there was something inherently wrong with Stalin's interpretation and implementation of Marxism-Leninism in the USSR. They approach the movement with this train of thought in mind: _"All this 'Marxism' stuff sounds cool... But as we all know, Stalin 'bad'. So there MUST be some undiscovered alternative that keeps the 'good' and rejects the 'bad' of historical materialism"._ These prejudices don't dissapear even after organizing, learning history, or reading theory (most of the time, obviously >not all Trots), making them susceptible to petty infighting, disregard for party discipline, stubbornness, ultraleftism, sectarianist division, or conspiratorial/saboteur tendencies when something about Marxist theory or praxis appears as "Stalinist" to them. However, as I said earlier, >not all Trots. Trotksy himself was a cool dude, pragmatic enough to work alongside Stalin and the other Bolsheviks for more than a decade despite his deep grievances about them. He even recognized in some of his texts that even if he were in the position of Stalin none of the supposedly "bad" stuff about the USSR (repression against liberals and reactionaries, gulags, centralized hierarchies) would have changed with him; as a Marxist, he knew very well that "authoritarian" and "bureaucratic" tendencies in the political superstructure of the USSR were determined by the concrete material conditions of the historical moment, and not because a certain "bureaucratic clique" wanted so. Some of his political and theoretical work, as well as from many other Trotskyists (like Ernest Mandel, Alan Woods, Isaac Deutscher, or David Riazanov) are incredibly good.

[@Ligma.69420]

@@Ajente02 Thank you for taking the time out of your day to reply, I appreciate your experience and input. The first part of your last paragraph reminds me of a thought I had while reading "The Revolution Betrayed." I know you can't easily tell the tone an author has in something like a book, but every time I saw him reference "Stalinist bureaucracy" or the "degenerated worker's state" (I think it's a useful term to have, but applying it to the USSR at the time feels a bit unfair) I just imagined him crossing his arms, glaring over at Stalin, and going "Hmmph!" Any time he ventured outside of data and history, it really felt like critique laced with drama; catty and surprisingly shallow for such a demonstrably capable revolutionary. The guy was way too smart to do the "great man theory" on Stalin exclusively, so what you said about him acknowledging somewhere that it's deeper than "Stalin bad, me good" is a relief. Maybe it was just a blind spot on an emotionally touchy subject? That is the kind of thing they should mention in RCA meetings, though. They get this personal animosity towards socialist projects that adapt to attacks or harsh conditions (or "degenerates" after enough time dealing with that stuff) that is very fanciful in the options they like to pretend these people had/have. I suppose what I'll do is get more active with them again once I have the material stability and mental bandwidth for it (I'm having an interesting season in life right now thanks to landlords and the US healthcare system). I'll keep trying to learn bits of theory and get through longer reading where I can in the meantime. I'll pay attention to how they act and what they do; if it seems like they're being more destructive than constructive to the leftist movement in the US, I'll look at dipping and maybe going PSL (I don't really want to be involved with the CPUSA, it seems pretty damn chaotic at the moment). Every org has its issues, though, and if the biggest one the RCA has is "they're trots" but everything else is going great, I'll probably just stick with em. I will always try to read theory as widely as I can so that I can actually talk to communists of all types and have a productive conversation, I'll try to keep an open mind, and I'll try to retain my empathy for people of all backgrounds. Internal communications and party structure has me cautiously optimistic that the org can outgrow the negative tendency that a lot of the older members have (IMT pun intended).

[@danielv6906]

Snort air

[@crowsong8097]

Nikola Tesla who? Albert Einstein who? Yugopnik enters chat mf!! 😂

[@homieslice1996]

1:44:43 Simply put: Western communists and Marxists have failed to accept that the are Americans, that the building of communism and an anti-imperialist system are pro-American, and that the reactionaries the Deprogram looked at in this episodes are anti-American; thus, we are losing and the reactionaries are winning, and the ironic anti-American view of the western left has hindered the growth of communism and anti-imperialism in the US - despite building communism and ending the imperialist system being pro-American and pro-human kind and pro-Earth. If you can’t accept this, as people with some media prevalence (Deprogram podcast), then you will lose and you will not build a strong communist, anti-imperialist movement.

[@Ajente02]

No, the very concept of "America" is founded on imperialism and colonialism of Indigenous peoples and Third World nations. Caring about the workers living in the US doesn't equate with being "pro-American".

[@homieslice1996]

@@Ajente02 when Lenin wrote “Letter to American Workers” in 1918, he said that the American Revolution was “one of the truly liberating revolutions” in history since it overthrew British colonial exploiters. That tradition has not been followed since capitalism has hindered that; capitalism has led to imperialism. Capitalism and imperialism are anti-American and anti-human since they harm Americans and humans. The contradictions in American history are usually between the exploitative ruling class and the exploited masses - if no land or jobs were available, and if someone’s debts were high and unpayable, then that someone would have to go elsewhere which is colonization. It hindered indigenous and non-indigenous Americans. Why am I here? Because my ancestors served the British without any say in policy. British colonization benefited the aristocrats and the Tsar’s men (both are the British exploiters that Americans kicked out of the British-American colonies that became the US). But the exploiter systems (capitalism, slavery, colonialism, imperialism) harm humans, Americans, and the planet - ergo, the exploiters systems are anti-human, anti-American, and anti-Earth/living things. Communism and anti-imperialism as systems are pro-human, pro-American, and pro-planet. The communists who failed to use patriotism and the positively proto-communist traditions of their country to their advantage have failed to win revolutions. I don’t recall that even Rosa Lux cared much for Germany in her agitation, same with her counterpart. Focusing on only the universal world and not on your particular country doesn’t relate to most people.

[@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45]

God I wish Thomas Paine was the first president, he was practically a proto-Socialist.

[@antiroman458]

@@homieslice1996 Ugh...just read Gerald Horne and more black Marxists in general.

[@homieslice1996]

@@antiroman458 Most periods of American history were and are rough for the masses, but to see no positive seeds in American history while only seeing the negative (there are both in reality) is succumbing to the national nihilism that Georgi Dimitrov rebuked in “The Ideological Struggle Against Fascism” in 1935 (he later joined the Fatherland Front in Bulgaria to take their country from the fascists and the fascist-aiding Monarch, which allowed them to make the People’s Republic of Bulgaria). Yet Dimitrov warned not to fall for bourgeois nationalism which entails promoting bourgeois rule; bourgeois rule has ruined and has hindered America for centuries, and in order to be self-governing, we have to have the American masses lead while finding common ground between them to have proletarian nationalism - doing so will be able to end the exploitative and oppressive anti-American, anti-human blights our imperialist bourgeoisie has fostered, aided, and abetted. # The British monarchy that Horne supported was the one who left us with those systems that white and black Americans worked to change, and that especially now indigenous and non-indigenous Americans are working to to change. To say that the British were better than the Americans is bourgeois thinking: the Loyalists were widely wealthy (the Founding Fathers were bourgeois but they supported things like prison reform and taxation with representation which the British didn’t do), and even when Loyalists promised “freedom” to slave workers the Loyalists then sold the “freed” slave workers into slavery in Canada or another British colony, and indigenous and non-indigenous Americans dealt with what white and black Americans dealt with (which is fomenting divisions between them so that common ground was hard to find). # I mean, if Horne wants to praise Your Majesty then he can. If it is a counterrevolution, then what was the alternative? More power to the king? A magical uprising that won support of colonists who were already there with guns that mostly colonizers had? Horne does well with bourgeois nationalism (the monarchy being “relatively better”) and national nihilism (“nothing here was good”) while not finding seeds for proletarian nationalism (“communism and anti-imperialism and even anti-colonialism will benefit the American people”). Horne thus is helping lead us to fascism and a lack of support for a Marxist-Leninist direction. We can make a better country while still rebuking the bad parts, but if only the latter is done, then communism will not win here sadly. If he can’t find anything good about America, then he will not win support from the widest groups of Americans. While our country has done bad things due to economic causes (capitalism-> prejudice-> slavery-> colonialism-> imperialism), communism and anti-imperialism and anti-colonialism will be able to prevent those abominations in the future if we can get Americans to see their material interest in those latter 3 systems. # My original comment I suggest reading again after reading this comment.

[@kaeganjones2441]

Starting the socialist stream and media package today

[@Rocinante0489]

Fuck I’m second so close

[@hsjhj92]

1st ❤

[@boxalox]

hearing y'all go on forever grape'ing about fruit and poison "energy" drinks.....ewwwwy

[@StuartJanssen]

Only 400mg? That barely gets me out of bed.

[@romka_technolenin]

I am begging u to watch the gommunism bad documentary series

[@labellissimabritneyellis7230]

I am firmly anti-abortion. Every abortion someone I personally know has gotten except one has simply been "I don't want this baby, kill it." But JT's situation illustrates the exact way in which creating legal barriers to abortion kills pregnant people. I do believe that there should be strict limits on abortion, but I 100% believe that it should be up to doctors to determine whether those limits are met, not lawyers and judges

[@alenezi989a3]

​@fredtheted3530 but abandoning a child is different than killing it, although I believe abandoning your child should be illigal if it's not. I don't I know I watched maybe too many videos about abortion to know it's horrific. What did these poor infants do to deserve being dismemberment like that? I believe there should be a middle ground, if the pregnancy is dangerous for the mother or it happened due to grape then it should be allowed, otherwise just have the child and then give them up for adoption. Over all I believe people who don't want children should be extremely careful when having sex, I don't believe a perant has the right to kill their children whether inside the womb or outside.

[@labellissimabritneyellis7230]

@fredtheted3530 It is actually super illegal for guys to abandon their children. Heck, even sperm donors are getting sued for child support now. For people who can produce sperm the whole "you should have thought about it before having sex" line of reasoning still applies from a legal perspective. However, pregnant people are fully allowed, should they want, to simply kill their unborn child because it would be really inconvenient for them to miss their vacation they had planned (I personally know this individual). I am fully against killing babies. I know that between the abortion debate and Israel that has become a hot take, but I think killing babies is wrong. I do, however, also understand enough about medicine to know that not only is it sometimes medically necessary to terminate a pregnancy, but sometimes that medical necessity is NOW or the pregnant person will die. As such, there can be no court injunction slowing down the process. Then there are also instances where the pregnancy is simply not viable, and putting the pregnant person through the rest of gestation is a pointless exercise in cruelty with 0 chance of producing a living baby. Hence my legal position that only in cases of medical necessity and non-viable pregnancies should abortion be allowed (the moral aspect), but that the medical college must be allowed to make those determinations without legal interference (the medical aspect).

[@NotesNNotes]

“Everyone I personally know” so yeah first of all, if an abortion was traumatic, who the fuck would tell you

[@labellissimabritneyellis7230]

@@NotesNNotes Friends tell each other things, shame you don't seem to know that

[@NotesNNotes]

sure buddy, sure.

[@homieslice1996]

1:30:43 the quote you read, Hakim, goes against the constitution of the USA. Ew.

[@alvaroLguevara]

7 mins in, Still no topic

[@Ajente02]

Skip to 9:46 to jump the intro.

[@alvaroLguevara]

@Ajente02 Yeh, but why? Tired of all the "pre-show" fluff. It's why I rarely listen, they always do pre show Fluff. And I always leave, but want to hear the content advertised.

[@antiroman458]

​@@alvaroLguevara Jesus H. Christ stop whining.

[@Airbag15]

Gross.

[@squirrel_slapper]

Get JohntheDuncan on here as a guest

[@fightthepowerman]

Yesss the people demand the true Scotsman