The Deprogram Episode 55 - Schrodinger’s argument

White genocide? Overpopulation? Great replacement? Replace deez nuts.
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[@Vanbedda]

Just want to say as a commie mommy of 3 little kiddos myself: from Hakim not having the energy to make a proper meal for himself, JT taking care of his sick family while being sick and exhausted himself, to Yugopnik's anxiety over going to the dentist , I empathize with you brothers! Stay strong and thanks so much for these podcasts! They are a lot of fun and insightful!

[@michaelslowmin]

Gotta stay on that Sigma Grindset lol

[@noname-bu1ux]

Commie mommy is my new favorite term. Bring back the matriarchy!

[@theregalproletariat]

'Commie mommy' Under communism, everyone gets their fair share of milk

[@noname-bu1ux]

@@theregalproletariat ily

[@gianlucamattos8684]

Take care lad, someday our lifes will not have to be this hard for us nor for our kids

[@spiderwrist]

Hakim's medical anecdotes are the highlight of my week.

[@ericktellez7632]

His stories bring me back to life like how Mexico resurrects Ochoa every 4 years for the world cup

[@thematronsmilitia]

"There are war torn countries with less homeless people" this is why I always say that the class war is already here and I'm just tired of losing it.

[@52flyingbicycles]

“There’s class warfare alright, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s waging war. And we’re winning” - Warren Buffett

[@thatponybro6940]

ahh yes, Hakim's cheery voice telling us a doctor story, truly a blessing

[@_Ve_98]

Please, we need the "What is a cracker" documentary.

[@vitaminluke5597]

I love how Hakim asks about the nsfw piercing, JT says that he's too vanilla to know (because of course he is), and Yugopnik immediately jumps in about the topic.

[@gregoriochavez9881]

Commenting till Hakim and Yugopnik get Vtuber models episode #3.

[@shanefoster2132]

I'm thankful for this podcast this year and the many doctor stories it provided. This shit bussin and bofa deez ears love the production.

[@labaguette7512]

I remember watching a pro-private healthcare American spokesman talk about his visit to a "socialised hospital" in the UK - Screw the 'special relationship'! Once its about "socialism" the lies start flowing! I was shocked to hear such blatant falsity about a service that has given so much to me.

[@jakobsmith4046]

Depopulating the top 1 or 2% and expropriating their private property would do wonders for the environment

[@52flyingbicycles]

“Depopulating” That’s one way to say converting the rich into Soylent green 😏

[@StateholderofLunt]

Lmao, JT at the end saying "unless you want to" killed me.

[@stuart6552]

Best superman is soviet superman. This is not up for debate

[@bf2229]

Comrade cynep MAH

[@Ajente02]

39:39 I've actually had a crazy libertarian an-cap telling me this in a comment a few weeks ago: _"every state there has even existed [yes, including the slave, the feudal, the capitalist, or even the minarchist state] is socialist"._

[@minhducnguyen9276]

"We'd have real free market if it wasn't for democracy" That one of the things I heard from a libertarian.

[@axlgzrdmattick]

Watched on spotify and now commenting for algorithm

[@igobytony]

I believe it's called a Prince Albert (the peepee piercey)

[@KR-mm4el]

i think it might've been called a henry kissinger

[@jessl1934]

I thought it was called a Hot Cheney?

[@adamthethird4753]

I call it a frickin crazy thing to do.

[@Greenarchy]

Coulda been an ampallang too

[@verZatile_bmotp]

@@jessl1934 or a Dick Cheney

[@dashboots376]

Thank you for that story at the beginning, I'm still screaming internally after over an hour.

[@colbyryan14]

I'll donate for the what is a white person documentary

[@katiemarshall4340]

WTAF Welfare does not make people lazy. Since I've been diagnosed with 2 autoimmune diseases I've done an absolute tonne of researching and written (with my gubbed hands!) 2 x 700 word leaflets to be distributed to any and all workers. Having a Shop Steward distribute these leaflets really helps, I love my best friend.

[@CBleys]

Red Son is actually pretty anti-communist, I hate to say, I bought it on KZbin because I thought it would be cool, but it was just anti-communist, sadly. I would recommend pirating it though, it's an interesting watch at least.

[@marcodominguez4010]

Never watched the film adaptation but thought the comic was interesting, but relies heavily on anti-soviet tropes, only accurate part is Lex Luther(Criminal Billionaire Oligarch) serves as US Leadership.

[@treeblinn]

The starkest approach of the anti-communist propaganda through it was how the citizens of the Soviets "lacked individuality", them being forced to conform, with a certain portion of them having been being micro chipped in the brain. Truly disappointing, but not to be unexpected.

[@CBleys]

@@treeblinn I haven't watched it in about 2 years, and I was super drunk when I did, so my memory might be bad (it is). That said that sounds true.

[@anmolt3840051]

What did you expect from liberal creators

[@theideaofevil]

Yeah this is what I came to the comments to say lol

[@venus6987]

The highlight of my Friday 💪

[@jermainegrays]

Yugopnik's rant at the beginning about everything happening in America had me in tears 🤣

[@tekki756]

Beautiful and hillarious as always. You guys are gold! To speak about complicated and sometimes infuriating things with giggles and jokes - that is absolutely fenomenal. Thank you for great year and I`m looking for more coming. Much love!

[@jeremymorales7129]

HELLO COMRADS

[@Ajente02]

27:26 There is a great video made by BadEmpanada a few months ago called _"How Race Was Invented",_ greatly recommended. Also the two-part video of Hakim _"'Humans Are Not Equal': The Dishonest History of Race"_ and _"Genetic Betrayal: The Truth About Race",_ as well as the video by ContraPoints _"What Is Race?"_ (archived in BitChute). Both extremely great.

[@anmolt3840051]

BadEmpanada is my favourite KZbin leftist

[@Fox-419]

its called a Prince Albert

[@AbdonPhirathon]

We desperately need a Kickstarters to fund JT’s documentary, so let’s gooo!!!

[@insane_troll]

Population growth is great! It increases the labour supply so I can hire people for less, while there are more consumers to push my stock price up. That's what everyone wants, right?

[@insane_troll]

Plus it tightens up the housing market so I can charge higher rent. It's a win-win!

[@WesternCommie]

It is called a Prince Albert..

[@ejatmosfera3078]

i'm genuinely grateful for y'all, instilling anti-capitalist rhetoric and critically evaluating history with connections to current events has given me hope for a better tomorrow :)

[@redpandah3309]

Now we have to wait for audio smh 😤 Edit: WOOO SOUND IS HERE 🎉

[@jeffreyherrera5069]

14:32 Me, thinking about Black Widow, Thor, Black Panther, Wong, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, and others: ☝️🧐 Also me, thinking about who they ally with/where they live: 😅👍

[@Ajente02]

Russian stereotype, Nordic God arrives in Manhattan instead of Scandinavia, Liberal monarch who's main enemy is a revolutionary Black liberation leader, Chinese stereotype, Slav stereotype brothers.

[@bismarckfamily277]

‹megamind stare› No audio?

[@spikethelizard2770]

Dia dhuit! I'm excited to watch!

[@thematronsmilitia]

I had to wait 6hours to get stitches in my hand, just sitting there holding it shut, and then they treated me in a hallway. And that was like between local epidemics

[@ej7850]

Happy friday comrads

[@silentmandible8660]

Cowboys and Aliens goes hard!

[@7th808s]

Beauty standards for women in Europe and east-Asia are simply similar, but more exaggarated in east-Asia. It's about youthfulness and being thin. Similarly an sort of exception has existed for white women and black men. Beauty standards for black men and European men have been very similar. Large and muscley. But again, more exaggerated for black men, which is also where some of the fear of white men (other than racism) comes from, for black men to "take their wife", which in some has developed into a (very racist) fetish. But those standards are now very clearly changing for the newer generations who drool all over k-pop stars.

[@chesbaret]

Hasta la victoria siempre Long live the Deprogram

[@juliand.breakdown463]

The piecing is called Prinz Albert

[@JonGhaly]

Great episode as always. Just letting you know JT although I'm a weeb degenerate and leftist I like the weeb jokes. A lot of us (especially the loudest ones on the internet) are very cringe but there are a few of us non reactionaries out there. Keep up the great work guys.

[@azwadmustahid1418]

The audio is back

[@yosawin3018]

For anime and Japanese media and entertainment, there's also a joke about slavery being normalized in a fantasy setting or objectification of people in general, it's more because they are meant to be an escape from reality and these type of stuffs sell apparently, That said. However, there are some enjoyable ones but I haven't seen any actual left-wing theme anime or manga for a while. However, you can have some social commentary that can be seen as left-leaning and progressive or whatnot but they rarely go beyond anything liberals can't feel comfortable with.

[@michaelslowmin]

Check out the Kerberos saga. It's been going since the 80s and includes several live action movies, some radio shows, anime, and manga. The basic premise is a world where the N@zis defeated the soviets and took over a Japan that was allied with the allies. So now Japan is ruled by a F@scist puppet government. I've only seen the anime Jin Roh from it, but it has a cult following. From what I've seen, I'd say it's sort of anti fascist, but more liberal if that makes sense. That's the one that comes to mind for me at least.

[@tuberialolicon-tanuki6533]

Of course most anime infantilizes and objectifies women, yet is so weird to jump from there to assume the fetish for asian women comes from there. Honestly, anime chics don't event look asiatic. Isn't the fetish older than anime's popullarity? And is not popular among my anime fans acquaintances. Other media like idols, I guees it feeds and contributes to it, and anime usually is a gateway into that, but it's hard to conclude causation. I think JT's made a shot in the dark just with prejudice.

[@SoftBoiledArt]

American

[@SoftBoiledArt]

Anime portrais structures of power and male fragility in a way you just won't see in Hollywood and that's 50 years ago. There's plenty of ecologist and feminist anime too. Maybe it flew over your head since they not cover the news or current global trends or whatever, they do their own thing.

[@yosawin3018]

@@aliasmcgames sound interesting, but doesn't this series has like gazillion episodes now? And I sadly lack the time to enjoy it, but thank for recommendations.

[@jakobsmith4046]

Listening to Hakim describe a penis is like listening to that episode of Family Guy where the Italian guy tries to explain a gay guy

[@Frippa340]

this is the best part of the week

[@WorkingViews]

Such a treat. Thx tavarishy

[@thelastarcadegamer6655]

My wife saw the Molchat Doma album cover above Yugopnik and I was wondering why it’s included

[@HaloJumper7]

Same. Molchat Doma - Sudno is a great song!

[@juliakiehl9557]

Hakim likes listening to Molchat Doma. He said that, whilst explaining his parts of the background that represent his interests. Hope that helps :)

[@thematronsmilitia]

I bet that the carbon emissions are immense from just slummy landlords around the world refusing to invest in basic efficiency technology like, insulation in the walls

[@leonardozarate4348]

(i am a weeb ) Hakim's weeb joke made me laugh so hard .

[@notyouraverageaustrian]

37:06 K-on watchers lmao

[@michaelslowmin]

Oh gawd. That show makes me feel icky. Envangelion is also really bad for that.

[@goutamboppana961]

11:44 the unus annus reference

[@lordk.gaimiz6881]

I hope that you boys talk about worker co-ops, one day.

[@RoughGalaxyYT]

12:00 Episode officially begins

[@xapver]

No audio?

[@minhducnguyen9276]

You are falling behind the audio quota comrades.

[@whythelongface64]

Face the mic now

[@Rheitala]

Hey JT, dunno if you guys read these comments long after the upload, but I just wanted to chime in about your assumption that anime involves a lot of reactionary ideology. Obviously my experience is not indicative of the medium as a whole, but I find most anime carries a quite progressive message. The weird obsession with sexualizing minors seems like a more Japanese cultural thing, which is a whole other can of worms that I really don't care to engage with. On the whole, I think art in general tends to lean more left or even revolutionary, and anime/manga are no exception. As a pretty high-profile example, Eiichiro Oda, author of One Piece, reportedly has a banner of Che by his desk where he works. The story itself is about (eventually) the overthrow of a world government, and while there are some few exceptions, pretty much every member of the military/law enforcement is clearly not a force for good. Thinking about it now, every single anime that comes to mind does not paint any authority in a positive light. TTGL is pretty much about banding together and fighting for a better future when you're told to just stay in your lane and nothing can ever meaningfully change. Kill la Kill is pretty much explicitly just about fascism. I could go on and on, but I'll stop myself here. I'd be glad to share more with anyone who's interested. I've honestly been seeing a lot of communist readings in everything ever since I started falling down this rabbit hole, and I've been thinking about starting a channel to talk about it.

[@scottthomas6202]

Cowboys and Aliens ( the movie) was based on a comic book series, ....my guess is both were based on a Farside comic of a very similar theme and title...

[@kunjugaming885]

Excellent episode. I learnt a lot.

[@nowhereman6019]

You heard it hear, folks. JT wants to take away your anime.

[@CraigKeidel]

Communism is when no anime tiddies

[@nightsmelodyful]

love the episode boys

[@kiesarisunny13]

‘Nuclear cow apocalypse’

[@rbynam9055]

1:21:05 ay dont go forgetting the settler thing, without taking it in account, the "most efficient" use of the resources will mean somehow more native genocide. just think about Israel when you talk. this obviously also goes for LatAm and canada too.

[@AlbertoGarcia-wd7sc]

the piercing thing is called a "prince Albert". Seriously

[@typical_name8682]

15:00 - if you do decide to look into Red Son, definitely read the comic, not the movie. Don't want to get into any spoilers, but from what I've read the movie really did superman dirty.

[@LasDivine]

Chevron ads on your video, how appropriately ironic

[@beej741]

Yeah, what’s with anime and attracting people with super reactionary beliefs? On the face it seems like that shouldn’t happen but it does. What gives?

[@zainmudassir2964]

Good episode solid

[@Diptera_Larvae]

Was Hakin talking about a Prince Albert?

[@XyphileousLF]

Yugopnik's point about landmass usage per capita is flawed due to either A) failing to take into account the land used for the production of imported goods, B) skewed numbers due to the inclusion of land used to produce consumer goods imports, or C) Both. Because A and B can either reinforce the argument or break it down somewhat I don't see it as a bad argument, but I never see these points being addressed and it would be cool if they were. In my exurb in the USA (Colorado) my municipality makes a good deal of money off of natural gas and agriculture, while also making decent money off of our downtown. Yet said downtown is bloated with privately owned historical buildings, churches and office spaces. Meanwhile we've allowed much of our farmland to be turned into suburban puke. Touching on the degrowth/growth argument that was avoided; I think a strong stance that can bridge the gap between the two is talking about growth efficiency. If my town's downtown were zoned for mixed use and developers were incentivized to build affordable condominiums closer to downtown we could quadruple the population density within a twelve block square, increase our town's economy, make the town more attractive to people moving to the state, and preserve some of the local jobs that aren't consumerist faff.

[@techloidtech2051]

I mean you are a product of your environment lol. You control what you choose not to do and that is all, and it takes training to accomplish this.

[@dirrdevil]

Prince Albert?

[@whythelongface64]

Al gore's rhythm

[@jan-Sopija]

5:34 by this timestamp the story is done

[@techloidtech2051]

Also exponential population growth stopped a while ago, there are fears we may be going extinct due to infertility. Malthusianism is a way for the capitalists to reduce the heard to a more manageable number.

[@adamthethird4753]

Just saying, not sure you guys would like Red Son.

[@itacom2199]

Damn, I lost too many episodes... :(

[@Red_BarronRetroReadings]

About to listen to my first episode now. As an aspiring socialist because of JT's channel. Got a few questions for you all. 1. what do you all consider socialism's biggest flaw and how would you address it? 2. I was told that Switzerland tried to go socialist and didn't work out. Was wonder how valid that was and why it happened.

[@Ajente02]

1. They have a couple of episodes discussing socialism's biggest flawS, and how future socialist experiences should/could address them: _"Episode 7: Ls of former Socialism (selfcrit)"_ and _"Episode 52: Aww shit, here we go Afghain"_ are two great examples. 2. I haven't heard anything on Switzerland supposedly "trying to go socialist". Do you have any source for this?

[@Red_BarronRetroReadings]

@@Ajente02 have not done any research on it myself just yet. Only heard that claim from my ear doctor and a little bit with my uncle who lives in Switzerland.

[@Ajente02]

@@Red_BarronRetroReadings It sounds like a misconception on what "socialism" actually means. They're probably just referring to the proposal of an Univeral Basic Income (UBI) who was voted by referendum in 2014 and 2016, and got both rejected. But having an UBI doesn't make a country socialist; as it doesn't abolish private ownership of the means of production, nor commodity production, nor monetary circulation, nor market relations.

[@Red_BarronRetroReadings]

@@Ajente02 thank you for the clarification. I did a little looking earlier and saw no mention of switzerland giving socialism a trial run. Listened to episode 55 and you lads have a new listener. Awesome job!!

[@T_Dot94]

Do a collab with Chapo Traphouse

[@Rompelstaump]

Is this monetized? I keep getting ads like every 5 minutes. I hope they're getting something for people watching ads.

[@colonel__klink7548]

The reason to have illegal immigration is to essentially import slaves to whom safety standards do not apply. For the would be slaves like my father in law who was a illegal migrant this is still better than the alternative in the home country, starvation. What this means in the US however is Americans are competing with slave labor so the skilled trade work and factory work becomes something they cannot support a family with. So all the Americans want to go to college. Meaning colleges can jack up the price of education every year and people will pay it. Then they get put of college to discover that because all the naturalized Americans are getting college degrees that the education is so worthless that it can't even pay off the debt of education. In other words treating one man as a slave impoverished everyone

[@MeansOfProduction209]

The audio doesn't seem to be working

[@jessl1934]

Try again in a couple of minutes

[@eevee1791]

Who else remembers rwandagate

[@michaelslowmin]

Wtf is Rwandagate?

[@eevee1791]

@@michaelslowmin The UK prime ministers keep trying to send immigrants to rwanda

[@OtseisRagnarok]

Superman Red Son is really good, don't watch the movie though.

[@jonathanmccartney5809]

You guys are doing the Lord's work...I mean, there is no Lord and even if there were, he would be illegitimate, but you know what I mean.

[@Turdfergusen382]

Can someone explain the US position on illegal immigration from Mexico? Like are the ruling class leaving the border vulnerable so that we can have a cheaper working class overall?

[@hansfrankfurter2903]

Most likely, the debate is only on how much should be allowed because racial anxiety is also real.

[@urrich5747]

Ок, ай донт андерстенд ю.

[@T_Dot94]

As Canadian, I agree with Hakim put those U's back in JT. You gawddamn Yankee. 😘

[@Hypocrite_]

*This is a comment* *Edit: This is an Edit*

[@seanpol9863]

13:55 The centre of the universe is at the meeting point of Bank Street and Sixth Street in the town of Wallace, Idaho. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hoS8c4prntxkfLs

[@angela_merkeI]

Could the earth support more people? definetly. Will nature as we have it now or we had it over thousands of years be a thing with a lot more people? No. Let me be honest, here in Germany it's too crowded: You cannot even camp in the woods because every kilometer there is another village/town/highway. This country could do with 10 million Germans. Then we could even have actual diverse wildlife with wisents and predators again.

[@michaelslowmin]

Ummm a German complaining about over population? Yeah you guys definitely shouldn't have a military.

[@angela_merkeI]

@@michaelslowmin Most definetly. Every cent for social programs, infrastructure, education, etc. has to be fought for/ tHeRe's NoTeNOuGh MoNeY, but once there's a good enough excuse (Russia and Ukraine) the "social democrats" and "greens" can conjure up a billion dollars for our useless military that would be even more useless in a nuclear war.

[@danubeisreallypeculiarrive7944]

Capitalism, in Marx's view, promotes a surplus population in order to have a reserve army of labor - a labor pool to compete and drive down wages. The Keynesian values of growth and economic expansion to prevent boom and bust cycles demand new markets and accumulated capital for investment. "But if a surplus labouring population is a necessary product of accumulation or of the development of wealth on a capitalist basis this surplus-population becomes, conversely, the lever of capitalist accumulation, a condition of existence of the capitalist mode of production. Independently of the limits of the actual increase of population, it creates, for the changing needs of the self-expansion of capitalism, a mass of human material always ready for exploitation."

[@michaelslowmin]

@@aliasmcgames💯

[@angela_merkeI]

@@aliasmcgames How is "people worldwide should get sex education and access to contraceptions and abortions and women need to be more then breeding mares and choose without societal pressures when to have children thus also (together with the abolition of the nuclear family) leading to a smaller population" caring more about nature? You sound like a typical r/Anarchism Andy.

[@Noname72105]

Iraqi medical stories could make Florida Man blush. Also: Any human population above 0 is too much.

[@venusiansociety9483]

Anime are definitely reactionary

[@user-ko5nt4ym2l]

No, not really. As with live action, it depends on the show.

[@Frank2212]

Hey Guys, I found this video quite interesting about Asian fever kzbin.info/www/bejne/haDTh6KIqbR9m68 one of the reason? The US army invasions in Asia.

[@charlottesghost2845]

OH! I never looked at it as a racist issue... just didn't occur to me because I am crowded by crappy people like myself (white). But trying to get enough water to 8B people in TX is absolutely not feasible. Also - I DON'T WANT to live in a city. That's not everyone's default... sorry to break that to you. I don't know the logistics of general water consumption or how much actual water/space is needed - but that's always been my concern. I still think (for completely non-racist reasons) too many people are on the planet. lol. sue me

[@colonel__klink7548]

Tbh when you guys make the argument "the contradiction of infinite growth on a finite planet" I cringe because it's the exact same argument as the "overpopulation" people. One group is racist, the other is arguing the poor regardless of race should stay poor and there needs to be a board who controls reproduction determining if you get to have a family or not. Either way it's dark and fucked

[@gh7319]

Hi folks, I just want to comment, I know you occasionally do "response video" so I want to draw your attention to a channel called Moon, assuming you've not already heard of it. They've, for some time, been posting videos about various major corporations with worryingly large hands in global politics and all the ways they've been exploiting the public, but ultimately concluding their videos by saying, effectively (paraphrased) "we need to get back to pure capitalism to fix these problems". He seems, to my mind be someone who's trying to last-minute snatch people from possibly becoming aware of the reality of how corrupt world politics is and divert them towards supporting the system that got us to this position in the first place. The thing is this guys videos seem even more on point than the likes of PragerU or Steve Bannon that there's no way he can possibly get so close to the truth and still post the wrong conclusion without being knowingly completely dishonest.

[@anmolt3840051]

Right libertarians always crack me up

[@chemreac1]

I do recommend population control for the first world, not the third world, as do many. It's a strawman that everyone who talks about this wants it I'm the third world, though many racists do. The first world has a far bigger footprint per person so it makes much more sense to do it in the first world regardless of race or class.

[@alias908]

what are you saying there ? the 1. world has already taken care of it

[@aj7058]

You guys might like The Sweetest Thing. Or at least this scene. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nKGwgIZvgLKFaa8

[@linden6756]

My UTI cost me 800 and now I'm homeless, and I still have a UTI. Don't qualify for benefits and was fired exclusively and explicitly for being trans at my 15/hr job. I have a BA and did merit based physics research for the government before I'd taken physics as a 15 yr old. ❤🤍💙