Can We Simulate The Sinking of the Russian Cruiser Moskva?

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[@phishphood423]

The ironic thing with this whole sinking is that the ship was Ukranian built in the first place and then ultimately sunk at the hands of Ukranian missiles. Also, FWIW, the Neptune is allegedly only "sort of" related to the KH-35. It has improved range and electronics systems, is about 1.5 feet longer, and weighs over 200 kilograms more than a KH-35.

[@williamkao5747]

It’s actually built just north of where it sank, and there is an incomplete Slavs class sitting in the docks waiting for Russians to pay the second installment before they will start work on it.

[@suprememasteroftheuniverse]

Soviet design, Ukrainian construction. Anyway, it's too old like everything in p00tin'$ USSR .

[@mr.nemesis6442]

The men who designed the ship are probably still alive. Maybe Ukrainian intelligence reached out to them and got some info about the ship’s weaknesses.

[@PR_nick]

@@mr.nemesis6442 Ukrainan had plans of the ship and info about her 2019 upgreaded AA sytems.

[@brucepad1019]

@@williamkao5747 uuuuuu you yy yyý

[@awmperry]

A really interesting simulation. I would point out, though, that from a maritime perspective 7-foot seas are a sea state 4 and considered pretty moderate.

[@ericcrabtree6245]

The damage control (or lack thereof) is probably the more critical element in this case. Even in optimum conditions, anti-ship missiles are difficult to detect and engage. When the USS Stark was hit in May 1987, the Exocets also approached from a blind spot. Phalanx systems stayed in standby mode. Stark was 1/3 the displacement of Moskva, but the crew managed to control fires, damage, and flooding to make port in Bahrain for preliminary repairs.

[@Thebaconmurderer]

And that’s why I think it was very unlikely that the two Neptune’s took down the Moskva. Mainly due to the fact that yes it’s an older ship but it’s been repeatedly modernized same with the Iowa class ships. But to go down with only two missiles is extremely rare not saying that it couldn’t happen but extremely unlike for it to happen.

[@grizzlynad]

@@Thebaconmurderer if, as is generally stated, that Russian crews' fire/damage management is poor, even 2 missile strikes could damage the Moskva enough, especially if other weapons on board exploded (note to Russian ship designers, don't put your cruise missile launchers on an open deck lol).

[@kenharvey8161]

@@Thebaconmurderer Um, so, you buy the Russian story that the crew just accidently blew up their own ship?

[@Elthenar]

It's not just the US focus on damage control. It's also that Russian cruisers were always thought to be vulnerable to anti-ship missiles because of the amount of ordinance stored above deck in unarmored containers. The risk of secondary fires and explosions was very high with this design. It's usually the secondary sources of damage that sink the ship, like when the HMS Sheffield was sunk by a single Exocet. The warhead didn't even explode, it just happened to hit a water main while the still burning rocket motor started fires. They had no water pressure to fight the fire and the ship was lost. In short, it's very believable that a single missile or two hitting this Russian style cruiser was able to sink it through secondary fire and explosions.

[@zilfondel]

The Moskva class ships do not have watertight bulkheads. And the Russian Navy does not trail all of their crew to fight fires, either.

[@sageg58]

I saw reports that they launched 4 and 2 hit, and that russia luckily wasn't expecting any shore based anti ship missiles because Neptune's weren't set to be finished til may

[@bekeneel]

I heard even 3 hit lol, who knows how much they fired, but it was geniusly done & the cirumstances were perfect. Even with the best crew it would have hit, tho the equipment isn't completely modern either. Oh and a few days before that it was reported UK had sent them anti-ship missiles too, so russia could be warned about that.

[@patthonsirilim5739]

will war does tend to move deadline forward.

[@sniper321fire]

@@bekeneel its funny how if it was a US ship that got hit the ship would still be fine to get back and not sink that has been proven IRL with US ships but Russian ships are over hyped and crap pretty much

[@JR-mx4cv]

@@bekeneel nope it wasn’t 3, the Russian crew were complete morons and let a missile they had plenty of countermeasures for hit them. Succinct statement on the status of training and proficiency of the Russian military at large

[@jakubw.2779]

@@sniper321fire moskva sank because ammunition detonated. In western ships all ammo and launch stations are placed in blastproof compounds, So even if the ammo would've been hit, the blast would be vented off up in the air. Russian ships supposedly don't have those blastproof compounds, So if enough ammo detonate it could literally rip the ship in half

[@mymentymen8185]

These types of videos are really awesome. It's always cool when you explain some historical or military stuff before and then simulate it in dcs or some othe game. Honestly i would love videos where you just talk about historical or modern military events without gameplay, just pictures and videos of it in the background.

[@painedkillerk9]

Please do this DD! Ill sign up for patreon if you do

[@cameroncrider6970]

He used to talk about his veteran days years ago. People LOVED them. I think that was 5 years ago?

[@Cs-ny5mw]

@@painedkillerk9 pretty sure it got a bit too much for him so he stopped, which is absolutely fine for him to do so

[@victorwaddell6530]

@@somedreybloke The Operations Room does similar videos .

[@AverageJosephgaming]

@@painedkillerk9 no you won't...

[@Brantoc]

Are Russian crews trained to act on threats, or do they have to ask an officer, who asks the captain to fire on incoming threats? Once your in CWIS range, it is just a few seconds to impact, and I can imagine just getting permission to fire can take almost as long as that.

[@jonbyrne4820]

Most CWIS systems when on, will or at least should automatically fire at incoming missiles. So I guess either it was off or Russian CWISs' are terrible.

[@joe_gaming2006]

@@jonbyrne4820 a drone was distracting them

[@destroyerarmor2846]

@@jonbyrne4820 Russian generals used defense money to buy yatch

[@JoJo-ps4ml]

@@joe_gaming2006 is that all it really takes? a benign distraction and you lose your flagship?

[@rednovember2205]

@@JoJo-ps4ml Incompetency is what led to this

[@maddmike4472]

This was a really cool experiment Devil, I loved learning about all that was explained, I’d like more of these talks I love these

[@palacio802]

My son and I simulated the sink of the Moskva in DCS with Harpoons fired from two F-18s. We required up to 8 Harpoons!!! After this, we created a mission with some modifications so that we only needed two hits to destroy the ship. We used triggers to add explosions in the Moskva with each missile hit to increase the damage. We departed from the Stenis conveniently located in the Azov Sea. Beautiful mission. Next mission will be the destruction of the Kerch Strait Bridge. Huge target.

[@MaximGhost]

1:17 Amazing how the Ukrainians used a Bayraktar drone as a decoy to get the ships eye's away from the incoming missiles.

[@zapdog_]

I hope the gigabrain chad that had the idea to use the bayraktar to distract the moskva’s radar is given a medal

[@bekeneel]

Heard it was an EW version of the drone, found it weird already that a drone could singlehandedly neutralize a big warship like this her radars.. But Ukraine did a great job here.

[@martinpalmer6203]

You realize that's a total fabrication and would only have served to put the ship on full alert...right? Slava has TWO 3d radars capable of 360 coverage and tracking multiple simultaneous targets on all sides.

[@mrjjman2010]

@@martinpalmer6203 so you’re saying that it wasn’t Ukraine, but instead their own massive incompetence that brought down their own multi-billion dollar ship and caused the deaths of numerous of their own men? Fuck, that is embarrassing. On top of losing so many tanks and men against a country they should’ve squashed pretty pretty handily, they’re now costing themselves billions of dollars and many irreplaceable man. The incompetence is just astounding with ruzZia, isn’t it Ivan?

[@Privatepain1234]

@@martinpalmer6203 maybe they had it out there for a few hours so the Russians kinda got complacent.

[@martinpalmer6203]

@@Privatepain1234 or maybe it was just a fire that got catastrophically out of hand like the 4.1 billion dollar fire resulting in the loss of USS Bonhomme Richard. Fire onboard ships is never pretty, the images of Bonhomme Richard show how nasty it gets. Slava's pictures show signs of a really bad internal fire as well

[@matteohetzy7599]

I would suggest 2 additional experiments: the first would be delaying the radar turning-on (if you can update the target position you can postpone the missile radar turning on a bit more) I don't know if the software can change this parameter Second what if the 2 missiles are coming at the same time but from 2 slightly different directions( I mean with some separation between them)?, wouldn't some radar controlled weapons go for the "radar centermass"?, and the centermass of 2 separate targets is usually in the "empty" between them.

[@TheG69c]

You have a point but, you've seen the scatter of AK-630M (CIWS) on Mosckva? They had more chance to hit the target if they have atacked the "radar cntermas".

[@tomte47]

This is why modern ships are spending so much on their electronics. The spy-6 radar on the newest Burke goes for over 300 mill each. Moskva was using 40+ year old soviet electronics and paid the price.

[@evilreddog]

one thing you did not take in to account is that it was not alone, Multiple ships in the area, so not a fail on both Moskva's crew side, but a bunch of other ships in proximity.

[@peaceoutbruh7085]

The Moskva was the ship tasked with defending the others. It would've been the one with the most CIWS, anti-aircraft systems, and long range radar.

[@bekeneel]

How do you know, how close were they?

[@martinpalmer6203]

Sat images, but theres still no conclusive proof there was any missiles involved besides the ones aboard the Slava class

[@bobthebuilder1360]

Nah I heard it got separated from the group

[@teamidris]

I watched a vid where they said 90 seconds to do something and the something was to ask for permission to retaliate and BOOM the missiles arrived. *90 seconds is the radar lock of the missile? Or the radar reach of the ship? Anyhoo, a tactic that will be in books for decades.

[@emachine310]

Total layman when it comes to military tactics. These videos are always entertaining to watch.

[@mrsweetpotato4354]

I served in the USN and also served next to other European navies, I can say with certainty that the US navy has the most professional well trained sailors in the world and the difference is obvious

[@martinpalmer6203]

Yeah yall just burn the ship at the dockside and crash Burkes into civilian container ships or crash seawolf class subs into underwater mounts... you so sure about that professionalism? LOL

[@Privatepain1234]

@@martinpalmer6203 I think its because the usn is so professional that when it happens it's a big deal. Whereas say a Russian ship for instance doing something like that would be judged as just another tuesday.

[@martinpalmer6203]

@@Privatepain1234 Lately that has almost been the case, multiple incidents every year where crew competency has been found lacking

[@Animalwon]

I enjoyed your video but something you missed in your discussion is tht the Moskva was built and frequently repaired in or around Ukraine. Ask any ship worker where the ship is weakest and they will know. Just my 2 cents.

[@katrinapaton5283]

It had two huge open areas in the middle of the ship, the propulsion system and the vertical launch tubes, and thats where she got hit. Its hard to prevent flooding when they get breached.

[@RReese08]

Great video! From what I understand, the Moskva was struck by the two Neptunes at 5:53 pm local time. Besides all the other things going on with the equipment and personnel on the ship, would it be safe to assume that this also happened to be dinnertime for the crew. Add to that maybe a change of shift for the command officers? Those things would be major distractions in addition to having one or two Bayraktars in the vicinity to distract the ship's radar. One more thing: I thought I saw somewhere that the Moskva was east of Snake Island at the time of the attack. Would the Neptune shore battery operators have used the island as just one more obstacle to hide the missiles from the ship's radars? Add all these things up, and it would've been the perfect storm that doomed the Moskva, no matter what. I'm just guessing and don't want to take anything away from your excellent presentation. Thanks for everything!

[@jeffpattison6321]

You can adjust the quality of the crews in Combat: Modern Operations in the scenario editor, both at the side and unit level. Read section 5.4.4 in Game Manual for instructions on how to do it. You can also give the unit “personality” through the WRA menu.

[@slgarrett]

You are failing to understand the nuance of the CMO game. You can adjust the crew proficiency settings and alter the Moskva’s OODA loop settings on a platform level in CMO. You also oversimplified the use of the TB-2. You need to tie up the engagement radars not just the search radars with the TB-2 and maybe even sacrifice the drone.

[@ros8737]

Both look like cool simulations! But, even more realistically, at 15m altitude the outer radar ring of detection looks like +25km distance for the missiles to pop over the horizon as if the water was completely calm smooth surface. With waves, rain/mist and the missiles small cross section surfaces it would be more realistic with a radar confirmed lock at only 15km, which is less than a minute distance even for a subsonic Neptune missile. Did they even have time to open hatches and and deploy counter missiles before the Neptunes was too close and already engaged by the last resort canons? Btw, The Neptunes travel 10-15m above the surface, in terminal phase it descends to 3-10m which is why the ship was hit near the waterline.

[@Under_Tone]

Please do more of these simulation type videos. This one and the one before were an absolute joy to watch.

[@axlfrhalo]

ddg delivers, glad you're still going strong all these years later! still remember the first dayz vids that got me into the game!

[@andrewho2746]

It will be informative to run the simulation with additional Russian ships in 5 - 20 miles radius to find out whether there is safety in numbers.

[@W1se0ldg33zer]

They said the ship was keeping a regular pattern patrolling around in the same area. So they knew ahead of time a fairly precise location. Being predictable at sea means you end up like the Moskva.

[@W1se0ldg33zer]

@Chandler White Yeah they also said it sunk in heavy seas. Then I seen a couple of animations of how they couldn't track the incoming missiles because of the rough seas and rain. Then about two hours later - 'US Navy says the weather was clear and calm'. lol

[@enriquezapata2997]

👍🏼Awesome explanation. The only key scenario that was missed us that the simulators are missing a Russian cigarette smoker Marine in the nuclear missile compartment, who is who really caused all this sinking.

[@zilfondel]

Wouldn't it be funny if the Ukrainian Army tested this scenario in DCS to fine tune their attack method?

[@MrHenning3000]

Was there really a storm at that time? Weather experts said it was just 8km/h wind speed

[@dfinlen]

Also the search radar being 180 is BS

[@dfinlen]

The targeting radars of various systems could be focused in the wrong direction but that would be during engagement of that system.

[@metalavenger23]

So funny thing, the last maintenance report for the Moskva was leaked recently, dated just a couple weeks before it was deployed for war. Apparently 2/3rds of all the ships systems were either broken or breaking and all the anti-missile defenses were so crippled that it’s highly likely even if they saw the missiles coming they wouldn’t have been able to do anything.

[@katrinapaton5283]

I did find it interesting that, despite the USS Stark being fully aware of the Iraqi Falcon that launched two Exocete and was in fact radioing it at the time of the missile launch, the commanding officer was court marshalled for failing to defend his ship. Perhaps the fact the Moskva failed to react to the Neptune missiles, if indeed that is the case, while ditracted by the drone as the Ukrainians claim, isn't so surprising.

[@randmayfield5695]

I was on a Coast Guard cutter back in the 70's and I am here to tell you we trained ALL THE TIME. When ever we would be on the move, drills were happening. Once off the Farallon islands we got called to abandon ship "this is not a drill". We had gone to take a look at a ship that wasn't answering our calls. As we got closer we saw a giant bullseye painted on it's side. It was being used for missle testing by the navy. When you're that close a missle might not differentiate targets making us vulnerable. We got the hell out of there fast at a top speed of 8 knots. Buoy tenders are not very fast. Lol

[@Loki1701e]

oof thats a fucking wild story sir. My old man went to georgia in 2008. Had one of the russian DDGs shadowing them all along the way lol.

[@ExUSSailor]

There was a P-8 from NAS Sigonella on station about 100 nautical miles from the Moskva's position when she was hit. I don't think the presence of the most advanced maritime patrol, and, surveillance plaform in the world was just a coincedence.

[@AnonymousAlcoholic772]

Whats most frustrating is the money and effort we spent over the past 75 years scrambling to defend against an army that now seems less threatening than a bunch of crazies in exploding rental cars. My nephews cub scout troop is worth two Russian BTGs at least.

[@TitanTales]

I thought you can set the AI Level in Command Modern Operations? I quote from the Steam Page: "Even at the dawn of unmanned systems, combat is not a dry hardware comparison. Your war machines are crewed or remote-controlled by human beings: people trained with varied proficiency (from novice to ace), operating under custom doctrine and rules of engagement (when to do what, how to decide, how to react etc.), most of the time making the rational decision, and sometimes making a brilliant call or a mistake. These people often matter far more than the hardware. The deadliest combat units are only as sharp as their crews."

[@Dawnbandit1]

You can change the AI skill level in CMO in the side edit window. You can change the Russians to novice and it increases the OODA time.

[@burnlogic8407]

Wow, haven't seen DevilDog in my recommendations for a while. Cool video btw!

[@Wallyworld30]

Wow, I didn't know the Bayraktar had a range of 2,200 miles. That's impressive.

[@Elthenar]

It's simple and cheap compared to American drones but very intelligently designed. If you can by 10 of those for the cost of 1 US Reaper drone, that's a hell of a force.

[@jamielonsdale3018]

@@Elthenar True, but the Bayraktar drone cannot carry weapon systems like the AGM-114 Hellfire. 100 Bayraktars cannot achieve some of the objectives that 1 Reaper alone could manage. Likewise, 10 Reapers could not inflict the same level of soft target damage that 100 Bakraktars can. One is a chisel, the other a cluster of needles. Being stabbed by a dozen needles hurts more, but if you have ceramic armour only the chisel will break through.

[@Elthenar]

@@jamielonsdale3018 Agreed. Sometimes cheap and numerous is a good call, sometimes you just need the right tool and nothing else will suffice. The Bayraktar is good for Ukraine because they don't have a lot of money of logistics. They would have a hard time maintaining Reapers. Plus, they really need the eyes in the air, a bunch of baraktars are good for that.

[@vejet]

1:38 That looks like a real life but stationary ED-209... 😳 Which explains why the ship wasn't able to successfully defend itself.

[@Fred5612]

I learned so much from this, thanks dude!

[@demonblood8964]

The water the day after was surprisingly calm for 7ft seas.

[@user-gc9yh2ic4q]

Grim reaper simulated using DCS as well. I heard one of the guests commented that the way DCS implements weather effect on radar is reducing altitude. In case of hk35 it will put the missiles under the water so radar will never see them. In a Taiwanese TV show I watched a military expert said from the photo of Moskva being towed he could see the SA6 launchers were in inactive position, which should not happen during active duty. So he believed it was most likely incompetent crew.

[@Matelot123]

Interestingly, on the Royal Navy type 22 frigate fitted with GWS25 Seawolf, it was the opposite of heavy seas that could spell trouble for the ships defence. One of the more famous photographs of a Seawolf missile leaving the launcher was taken aboard HMS Battleaxe during a test firing in the Caribbean. The ship was moving forward quite slowly and there was no wind at all. Smoke from the launch obscured the forward 910 tracker as it simply hung around so the tracker not being able to see the missile, reset and destroyed the missile. The second shot which gave the photgrapher such a golden opportunity for a photograph was taken whilst the ship went astern in order to carry smoke from the launch away from the tracker. The photograph shows the missile in full flight having just left the launcher.....itself an achievement when you consider that the missile had to be pulling 20G of force just to leave the launcher so it was going like a bat out of hell anyway. The photographer was very skilled in managing to capture such a great photo. In the background, you can see the ships wake beyond the bow as she proceeds astern.

[@user-kz9hx3gn2m]

About whether, there was no rain and "storm" scale was 3 or 4, in Odesa we have that kind of storms for a 1/3 of year. Neptune missile have only hull from KH-35, all electronics are new, so it should be treated like rgm-84m. Also Neptune can fly very low like 2-3 metes above wave line and it has multiple vector attack capability. There is rumors in net that one of high ranking officer onboard of moskva had a birthday, so most of offers could be dead drunk when rockets came

[@metaknightgaming9221]

cant wait for the lego moskva set! that wreckage will be fire

[@brendatajik6150]

*Awesome, thanks!* *We love the brave Ukrainian people!* 🇺🇲 *Bravo Ukraine!* 🇺🇦✊ _May God bless you and protect you!_ 🙏

[@dennisz1252]

If you tried to tell any generals from WW2 that private citizen across the world can recreate the battlefield within a week of reports with good accuracy, they'll probably won't believe you.

[@omaerep]

its good you were on board to see they were busy at the time this happened

[@NZobservatory]

The Moskva is sunk. Accept it and move on.

[@zex3482]

The Neptune's traveled 5-10m above wave crest, which is lower than the ships ability to detect and engage until the last 60 secs.

[@JD-ir5fj]

Right after the strike there was a video on Utube showing the whole attack from a circling TB2 drone and then the video went Poof! In the video the missile hit directly ahead of the conning tower and the explosion was phenomenal with three stray missiles flying out of the hull in all directions. The radar on the conning tower was fragmented into little Wheat Chex. It looked like a funky black and white video taken through a TB2 target sight.

[@Zippezip]

At least most of the crew was able to be rescued. The beauty of War is when it does not happen, but when it does, it is usually our children who suffer the most.

[@eudaenomic]

Most gamers do not pay attention to the Russian Navy culture and lack of attention. The short range batteries which were supposed to deploy never did; the hatches on the long range missiles never opened. For all intents and purposes the Moskva never knew it was being targeted. Make certain you figure this into your game play.

[@ericr.3759]

How about a simulation of a Ukrainian attack on the Crimea Kerch bridge? Just on the other side of the Dneiper, ATACMS MGM-168 500lb unitary missiles are in empilade range of the high span. The area is highly defended by S-400's. Shoot and scoot tactics with counter battery fire would make an amazing sim.

[@kevinkliegl9315]

I used to have Harpoon long time ago, put some interesting battles on there, not much on graphics since it came out when graphic cards were primitive if you had one at all that is. I lived by the Naval Post Graduate school in Monterey and I knew they used an advanced version of Harpoon. Also had Red Storm Rising for my Commodore 64, the good old days of gaming.

[@mrlodwick]

Red Storm Rising for my Commodore 64, Yes Kev please read the book it is awesome bro! I went to my local shop and got a copy for 80 cents! 50p UK.

[@BoleDaPole]

Red Storm Rising and Harpoon helped make me the Armchair General I am today.

[@courier.66]

you mean the movska's promotion to submarine

[@medienmond]

You said the neptunes were modified. What if they did not engage their radar? They could have gotten the exact position fron the bayraktar and therefore would not even have been detected in the last miles...

[@bladet35]

The truck launcher holds 4 missiles so I would imagine they fired 4 and 2 got through. Could you simulate that?

[@InfectedByZanza]

They didnt fire 4, they fired 2, there was bayraktar TB2 that caught the attention of the ship, and 2 Neptune missiles were fired and 2 struck the target, unnoticed. There weren't 4 or 8 or 25 that Moskva destroyed. Russia is shit and has terrible fucking military. 722MIL USD Cruiser destroyed by 200k missiles. Stop giving them credit as if Moskva actually did anything to defend itself, or even picked it up on the radar. Obsolete military. And yes, I am annoyed because Russia has threatened that NATO countries are next, but in reality, nobody is shitting their pants apart from Russia because they have showed their hand, and their hand is weak.

[@BlightCosmos]

At first I read the title as "Simultaneously" so I wasnt interested. Then I realized it was simulate so I went back to watch

[@jaydawg-we6yc]

That's very intelligent to put your weapons out in the open! Way behind inTech, they have old junk!

[@Headloser]

It was the weather that affect the ship. It keep rolling the ship up and down. Radar was unable to locate the missiles attack.

[@chengkunwang6839]

US said the weather on that day of attack was good, and the wave was less then 1 meter high.

[@ricardoospina5970]

Well when the missiles fired at the Moskva can fly as low as 5 meters and the missiles being fired at the anti ship missiles can only hit targets flying at 20 meters or above, that's a problem.

[@geoffreycodnett6570]

I would trust the US version of the weather at the time not the excuse for sinking as a result of fire and heavy seas.

[@chengkunwang6839]

@@ricardoospina5970 The SA-N-6 missle lowest floor is indeed at around 20 meters. However, the SA-N-4 missle that Moskova carried for short-range defense can hit target as low as 2.5 meters, provided it has the right fire-control radar to guide it. US ship usually have a dedicated sea-scanning radar before Aegis was invented, but Moskova do not have such design. If it did, it might still have a chance of catching a sea-skimming missle. Even on Aegis ships, AN/SPQ-9 mechanical radar is still there for its independent sea-scanning function. AN/SPQ-9 has been upgraded to use rotating AESA technology to provide more functionality. This is a very good ship design concept.

[@ricardoospina5970]

Does the second program simulate the sea state, the gecko's minimum fire altitude is above the Neptune cruising altitude so it should not fire at all. Not to mention the 5 meter flying height at terminal phase.

[@crumply5959]

Damn the tactics that led up to the sinking of the ship is ingenious

[@fortusvictus8297]

Was it ever confirmed whether or not the Moskva had any of its nuclear cruise missile warheads onboard at the time?

[@dougmartin8641]

If the missiles can see the ship with its small radar, then the ship can see the incoming missiles. At the very lease, the moment the missile turns on its internal radar, those emissions will be detected by the ship and an emergency response take.

[@jamielonsdale3018]

You are vastly overstating Russian competency after 41 days of boring af posturing, interspersed by the occasional excitement of offensive weapons employment. No-one expected 'the borderlands' to hit the pride of the Russian fleet.

[@brackjackson1894]

Throughly enjoyed this video and commentary. I also just subscribed to your channel. Great job.....thanks!

[@mortimerschnerd3846]

Yup, I would do something differently. I'd configure the missiles to all attack simultaneously, not one at a time, and not all from the same direction.

[@jamielonsdale3018]

Same. Although I would vary the simultaneity somewhat, because not everything goes right during an attack. Launch one or two missiles slightly late. Also, I would suggest being more willing to risk destruction of the drone and get the engagement radar tracking the drone, which it was in the actual occurance.

[@jamesm3471]

There should be a manual adjustment to modify the Russian crew’s blood alcohol concentration … see how that affects reaction time & outcome.

[@peterstubbs5934]

Problem, as in the stills and the video, it was flat calm....AND both the SA8 and S300 were closed up and not active to fire.

[@kalas1988]

A question, it is said: The radar is pointed in the right direction, AFAIK... the search radar is 360 degree right, so my guess is, that Fire control radar was already looking at the right "spot"

[@hmmjedi]

I believe in the 80's the plan to take down a Kirov was to mass launch 24 Harpoons at her to take her out as to the Slava's same deal or even better a pair of MK48's or Spearfish into them...

[@fortusvictus8297]

My understanding is they already knew exactly where the Moskva was because of the drone and deliberately set the Neptunes to not activate their targeting system until minimum distance. But even so, with 30ft swells and high winds+rain it's pretty darn hard to target an oncoming missile 50ft off the deck.

[@katrinapaton5283]

My understanding was the Americans had a Boeing P-8 Poseidon in the area which let the Ukrainians know where the Moskva was. I don't know how much that helped, but it wasn't insignificant.

[@timc7035]

Better explanation than a lot of other Moskva videos.

[@themadhatter196]

3rd missle hit during a 16x launch with crew already alerted damn son

[@kummer45]

I think the Moskva grabbed two out of a volley of four. Two went in. The factor here was the weather and the stick and carrot trick. Ukraine purchased those few seconds like a champ.

[@buddyspecialops]

Really enjoying the Command Modern Operations videos

[@myname686]

Radars on Moskva were turned off (and stowed) at the time of the attack (emi silence).

[@Lagmaster33]

You should do more of these simulations. Super interesting to watch

[@TheDevildogGamer]

We will next week :)

[@arnepietruszewski9255]

The Ship sinking is a show of russian incompetence and not a inevitable aftermath of the missile attack. With damage control like on an american ship it would not have gone down. If you take a look at the hit Moskwa you see no effort of the crew to save the ship. On a american ship the damage control teams are the last to leave the ship. With Moskwa it looks like "Oh we have been hit, man the boats".

[@catdelnorris]

man itd suck to be a crew member onna ship one second everything is fine and then outta nowhere gods hammer gets dropped on your ship

[@Rotoped64]

There was no high seas... It was just caused by incompetent/untrained crew.

[@Surv1ve_Thrive]

Note to youtubers it is now possible to recreate many incidents like these from history and it will make interesting content. Even if in some cases we may never know exactly what happened.

[@chris23tg]

Best simulator on KZbin The others do not Take the weather and blind spot into account

[@frankwalder3608]

This video reminds me of HMS Sheffield in 1982, and USS Stark in 1987. I enjoyed the “Harpoon” board game, but the computer version wasn’t very good. There was also “Aegis: Guardian of the Fleet”(released in 1994), where I spent many hours as the CO of the USS Lake Erie(CG70). Aegis: Guardian of the Fleet was notable for having long periods of boring routines, punctuated with brief moments of terror and pandemonium. I wonder how much those two games cost that you used?

[@1otherwise]

cant wait for more vids like this, I can see making this another channel or a new segment for this one

[@MostlyPennyCat]

The thing about DCS and MO is it's based on the specs released. But even with the specs released, Neptune attacks at a terminal altitude lower than Grumble and Gecko can target. They only had CIWS, which should have worked but I guess they just had it switched off. And their radar, it's 60s/70s tech so yeah, probably doesn't work in the rain.

[@patthonsirilim5739]

problem with this type of simulation is that they always assume the ship is brand new and in tip top condition with no malfuction performance issue what so ever and that the crew can always at the drop of the hat take advantage of its weapon and radar system in every situation to its most optimal possibility now we all know that not true tings go bad shit breaks and sometime attention is occupied elesewhere.

[@MostlyPennyCat]

@@patthonsirilim5739 Indeed. I think top pair would have seen them. I think Grumble and Gecko are obsolete against modern sea skimmers. No idea why AK630 didn't fire, my guess it wasn't switch on. Also, dude, please, punctuation. Wall of text is really hard to read. 😉

[@ricardoospina5970]

@@MostlyPennyCat On on video on KZbin that spoke of the attack, they said the guns would have to go down -2 degrees to hit the missiles flying at 5 meters, which would mean they could only hit them 47 meters away which is a guaranteed hit on the ship. They also only have 3 seconds to hit the missile at the speed it's going. Also that assumes the automatic defenses where turned on, the Russians have issues with shooting down there own planes.

[@TexansForChrist]

I did a crude simulation while seated (Putin) and then stood up and flushed. It didn't burn

[@JimCOsd55]

What hard to figure is that Russia has A-50 AWACS stationed in Crimea, they should be up 24/7 on a continuous basis. Even with the problems with coverage of the Moskva’s radars, these missiles should have never gotten that close? Just more proof of the serious failings of the Russian armed forces!

[@bibby659]

So, imagine the average russian ship now against these anti ship missiles...but also it makes me wonder why the russian cruiser was out there all by itself with no other ship nearby, this is mostly the reason other fleets make sure to keep their ships in a formation, to prevent a singular ships defences from being overwhelmed...so it makes me wonder what the russians were thinking when having the Moskva out there.

[@kiriltzenev5955]

The kind of damage from the video footage looks more like sea mine damage. No matter cruise missiles or mine, it went too close to enemy shore.

[@jdgoodwin3136]

I'm wondering why the Moskva's passive EW systems didn't light up when the missiles' radars were shining.

[@1otherwise]

Nice vid and very informative keep it up brother

[@Natemire]

Ah yes. The old tap them on one shoulder than hit them in the other trick

[@acanfield87]

Very cool. Wonder why you didn't include the UAV deception in the second simulator?

[@jacobilagan2873]

I love this video now i know what side were Moskva hit by Neptune

[@dreamingflurry2729]

Hm...couldn't the Byraktar-Drone attack it if they focus on the incoming missiles?

[@Kenny-yu6gc]

YT seems to like "Russian" as a keyword. Liked the vid

[@robandcheryls]

Now I know more stuff, thanks. 👍

[@craycraykian508]

It is doing special submerged operations lol

[@DMkapfenberg]

Crystal clear, over!

[@morinc75]

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