Simulating A Battle Between China and America!

[@MrBossMan1898]

The fact that the Chinese felt the need to handicap US forces really says something lol

[@XIXCentury]

you guys got handicapped by the taliban

[@noahpaquet8357]

Bunch of sissies

[@arthurofalsen2110]

right? I was thinking that maybe this is a best-case China scenario where the creator was just trying their damn best to see under what circumstances would China win.

[@thewitherchannel1053]

check out the workshop man, crazy OP scenarios for China in most cases. the Chinese CMO community live in a world of their own

[@YTStopCensoringFreedomOfspeech]

@@thewitherchannel1053 it's called patriotism. Americans also like seeing their own country win wars too. Look how devested the US public was when they thought they lost the war in Vietnam.

[@Yittlewoofa18321]

*Moderately realistic military games/simulations that can fairly help determine possible outcomes of battles between nations* China: "We don't do that here"

[@yuanyuanxi262]

Your country lost in a simulation, boo hoo 😂

[@blamalam7257]

That's why China would be an idiot to use such an artificially lopsided scenario like this seriously 🙄

[@yuanyuanxi262]

@@blamalam7257 nah, they have full reason to because your idea of “lopsided” is just a cope. America’s military is degraded and you just don’t want to accept that 😁

[@JJONES7]

@@yuanyuanxi262 degraded how? We still have all the latest technologies and still continue to progress. in the video there was a clear lack of supplies and the absolute worst re arm times. The US military is known for having great logistics. The simulator is clearly biased to handicap the US where it shines best.

[@yuanyuanxi262]

@@JJONES7 obviously not because your military leadership is incredibly corrupt. This isn't even considering how your politicians are "lobbied" by arms dealers to buy the shittiest domestically produced weapons at a mediocre price, along with how your country is losing its ability to "project" itself worldwide. Nice try though :)

[@Nimrodwithagun]

I would watch a less skewed version of the same mission

[@TheDevildogGamer]

Im gonna try but they are very hard to make

[@AmbiguousEntity]

@@TheDevildogGamer you got this bro

[@khoaanh2224]

Hypops have one with good narration too

[@kordellswoffer1520]

@@TheDevildogGamer could you do other nations like the uk vs France or is it just like a handful of nations in specific scenarios.

[@patricksutfin9374]

@@kordellswoffer1520 It is pretty much any country and almost all their know platforms you can create a Egypt vs. Chile engagement if you wanted to. (just an example)

[@emacstac]

The fact that they had to handicap the Unites States this much .. shows us just how confident they are in their own forces.

[@vickomen333]

That's pretty much what the US does lol.

[@xelabadman5824]

@@vickomen333US actually does the opposite they take all claims of their enemies at face value and will advance our technology to the point that’s it’s even better than whatever our enemies were lying about

[@theonefrancis696]

I mean, Russia went through Ukraine like they were on a parade and they got their asses kicked. Guess it happens with every major power with strong internal propaganda.

[@sowianskizonierz2693]

@@vickomen333yeah all the ameritards like to ignore the fact they fail at wargames without handicapping their enemies

[@garrettfulks2932]

@@vickomen333Lol no they don’t. Most wargames are set up to have the U.S. lose.

[@MrLM002]

Why not remake the scenario with proper range values and such? I'd definitely watch it.

[@IN10SEGAMING]

Because it would be a boring stomp

[@TheDevildogGamer]

Making scenarios in CMO is extremely time consuming

[@MrLM002]

@@TheDevildogGamer I'd imagine so.

[@MultiMates7]

@@TheDevildogGamer just get someone who knows what their doing to do it for you

[@jamestalbot1647]

@@TheDevildogGamer dude you seriously need to learn how to play this game. Stop rushing like a kid on sugar. Set up proper coverage with air radar, set out proper air patrol

[@douglascampbell9809]

Someone needs to write this mission scrubbed of all the Chinese bias.

[@GetOffMyPhoneGoogle]

China is a paper 🐅

[@ktrigg2]

Their propaganda is incredible.

[@subjectc7505]

This is how Russia thought they'll invade Ukraine like this

[@SpeCifiC0507]

@@subjectc7505 Except Ukraine is losing, so.

[@subjectc7505]

@@SpeCifiC0507 both sides are losing, so

[@rumrain838]

This would be a horrible war if it really happened

[@douglascampbell9809]

I think the mission is written to try to prove that point as a form of propaganda. Real world you can bet the US sub fleet would be far more involved.

[@dechezhaast]

It is well that war is so terrible, otherwise we should grow too fond of it

[@atomicavalanche]

☢'when'☢

[@jzadams5818]

Water is wet

[@andrewschmitt3284]

Devil: what is wrong with this mission?? Chinese mission maker: hold my opium.

[@LaikaTheG]

*copium

[@matthewredacted2072]

I would definitely love to see a version of this scenario where its more accurate to what might happen. More realistic ranges, more than one person on the carrier's flight deck rearming the aircraft so it doesn't take 5 hours. I wanna see in as close as you can get to a true to life one on one.

[@douglascampbell9809]

Funny how the US doesn't have an X-37B in geosynchronous orbit over the combat zone. We don't even know what it does other than stay in orbit for 717 days.

[@cutes-ud3gd]

that top secret sun

[@Jason-wk1pm]

These Chinese "little pinks" as they like to call themselves, making these scenarios is hilarious and also incredibly ridiculous. They had to cheat and still couldn't completely decimate the fleet.

[@FrankieBoyThe1NdOnly]

America gets smacked by farmers in sandals with 50 year old AKs... Pretty sure the most advanced nation on the planet can do serious damage especially in their own backyard

[@alligatorwithwifi6111]

@@FrankieBoyThe1NdOnly Vietnamese and Cambodians>Chinese

[@alberto148]

QED, look jason, you have a little pink in your comments.

[@Yinzermakesvids]

@@FrankieBoyThe1NdOnly fighting against people in desert mountains isn’t exactly that easy.

[@FrankieBoyThe1NdOnly]

@@Yinzermakesvids where you there?

[@cluelessgod97]

That's actually really funny they've changed it in their favour to make them look better. Really does mirror their actions overall. I know self affirmation is a thing, but come on China 😂 your fooling yourselfs

[@nikoc8968]

and remember, this isnt even considering inevitable Taiwanese, Japanese, South Korean, and Australian intervention.

[@Davis_237]

IDK why but i belted out laughing when the terminator plasma rifle sound effect sounded off when the SAMs were intercepted by the AL-1.

[@obdmpod]

I dig these types of simulations. I have watched your gaming for years.

[@Cinnabun]

I have a few questions: - did you run the scenario at 5x-max time speed majority of the time? - Did you attempt any SEAD operations on those coastal radar sites? -Did the scenario provide reserve aircraft and weapons stores you could load yourself? .

[@lunar3034]

So basically you had a Chinese command structure controlling the operational plan?

[@nikoc8968]

yup...and the carrier fleet still survived without losing a single vessel beyond the detached subs.

[@teejin669]

The biggest test for China is their ability to secure their trade. If they can no longer import food and fuel, and are also unable to export large amounts due to a naval blockade(thay can be thousands of miles away from the chinese coast) I don't know how they expect to win a full scale war.

[@batboy555]

Which was Japan's issue in ww2

[@alexanderchen6373]

you realize China has enough nukes to destroy the planet at least once right? if you are talking about full scale war?????

[@camamations1573]

@@alexanderchen6373 I think he means a conventional war. Obviously both China, and Russia, have a extremely large amount of nuclear weapons. However that is mostly a last ditch effort at a win, considering that using said weapons, would be very likely to cause full retaliation from the US, and other NATO countries, resulting of the destruction of their own country as well. But as shown in the Ukraine war, bluffing to the other country that you'll just use nuclear weapons is a terrible idea. Unless you are severely losing to the other country, and want to take them down with you, then maybe you might want to use nuclear weapons. In a actual war however, you would need a substantial conventional war force, if you want to actually win, and not just destroy both competing countries in nuclear annihilation.

[@antred11]

I don't understand why anyone would create such a heavily biased setup, though. I mean if you really want to use this to test military theory, aren't they just shooting themselves in the foot? Basing doctrine on wishful thinking does not strike me as a sound strategy.

[@swiftycortex]

I think the US makes a habit of handicapping themselves to figure out what is possible. I've been told nothing valuable is learned when you go out with all of the advantages, it's only when you hinder yourself that one can glean useful info. It's like Jack White being in the habit of not keeping an extra guitar pick with like most other guitarists. If they drop their pick they have a backup, but he sets the stakes much higher, so if he drops his pick he has to walk to the back of the stage to get another one, completely sucking. However, he knows the stakes are higher and plays bangers. Same for the US miltary

[@Terminus316]

I’ve noticed a lot of comments saying they would like to see a scenario that is unbiased but the truth is sure you could craft a scenario that represents the reality of us doctrine and readiness but then what are you gonna do about the China side? How far do you tone it down? Would we fall into the same trap of self soothing? Well who knows I mean maybe with the proper intelligence data you could do it properly but that seems pretty hard to get a hold of…

[@rickjames18]

At the very least make all sides equal in skill even if we know US pilots train more. It would also be nice if the missions didn't seem like a 5 year old planned them.

[@LaikaTheG]

@@rickjames18 Wdym? A 5 year old would never be dumb enough to send two e2s without any sort of fighter cover full well knowing j20s were operating in the area!

[@_MikeJon_]

One thing the US is good at is war and having better equipment and tactics. China cannot compete tbh. That's not even including NATO and QUAD. America's power projection is unmatched.

[@sleepyjoe4529]

I don't know how you can draw that conclusion --- and what basis has this been proven? America has lost or fled from every war they've started since WW2.

[@_MikeJon_]

@@sleepyjoe4529 You clearly don't understand what I said for one. Nor do you understand what NATO or QUAD is. Nor do you understand that winning or losing a war is irrelevant. Experience is won either way. However America never really lost a war, we pulled out. We've never been defeated on our soil since 1812 and times have changed. Once we commit to a war in ww2 style, nothing can stop us. Especially China.

[@jutea9858]

@@_MikeJon_ I mean, China obviously has no intention of fighting the US in the US. Taiwan is a small island next to China, and the US has to project its power from an ocean away (Japan is a little closer). For example, during the Korean War, China was able to drive the entire US (UN) army from the Chinese border to South Korea even with three times as many casualties as the US. Not to mention that China's capital was just butchered just ten years ago before the Korean War. The same is true of Vietnam, where the United States has rarely won outright in the Asia-Pacific region.

[@SituationNormalAint]

@@sleepyjoe4529 wrong, we've won Korea, Panama, Grenada, libya, gulf wars I and II, the invasion of Iraq, we kicked the Islamic state's ass in syria. Please do more research :)

[@garrettfulks2932]

@@sleepyjoe4529 Sure we have. Read your history more not Russian propaganda.

[@painedkillerk9]

Please do more of these btw man. I really dig watchin you make vids on this simulator. Super in depth combat

[@Orphican]

Devil you've got to find a better scenario. I'd love to see another more realistic scenario.

[@Chrischi3TutorialLPs]

I wouldn't necessarily say Russia bluffed about its weapon ranges. When Russia says stuff like "The S-400 has a range of 500km", what they mean is that they can hit a target 500km out under ideal conditions. These missiles are mainly designed to hit AWACS and tanker planes and force them to stay away from the frontline. If the target has any energy and maneuverability whatsoever, and knows the missile is coming, practical range drops drastically. The same is probably true for chinese, and yes, also for US missiles. The laws of physics do not care for nationality. And since a recent update (that i believe wasn't out when this scenario was made), missile performance is a lot more realistic.

[@NotTheBomb]

Yes, surface to air missile shooting over an island… that is basically a mountain in the ocean…. Makes perfect sense!

[@desole784]

im thinking, aint taiwan gonna help us out there with there GIANT FUCKING ISLAND IN THE WAY

[@infernosgaming8942]

From what I've seen of CMO, it unfortunately doesn't accurately simulate war conditions and non-combat inhibiters like corruption and poor maintenance. One point that I hate about CMO and China-lovers online is the cult of the DF-21. In reality it would be hard to get constant guidance from a TEL battery in southern china all the way to a CBG in the South China Sea or further out. Even then, weapons are usually less accurate than what the designers state, and I don't believe CMO takes into account the EWar advantage the USN carries(Our Electronic Warfare and jamming suites are innnsane from what I've seen of the UNCLASSIFIED reports, and offhand comments from those with TS clearance).

[@alberto148]

all the df-21 fangirling is great news for the US in a wartime scenario.

[@qweqwe5609]

There's also the issue of a lot of their weapon systems/vehicles having inaccurate (sometimes glaringly so) values compared to the real thing. And I can't blame them since their main focus is on their commercial sales, where they allow the customer (governments for the most part) to input whatever values they need to simulate for each unit. That's why there are things like no armor values on most modern tanks or ships (seeing as the dev team would have to make a guess at their values, why bother when their intended customer will end up inputting their own anyways).

[@alexanderchen6373]

well the reality is US carriers never gets into DF-21D's range recently. You can check US carriers's track since 2020, see if any of the carriers enters DF-21D's range.And you can check US carrier's track before DF-21d was announced, see how close they were.

[@LDS-Guy]

@@alexanderchen6373 You could also check reports of how accurate DF-21s are, especially against stationary targets. (As a little hint, several reports say they missed a stationary mock-up of an American Carrier by around 20 miles.)

[@alexanderchen6373]

@@LDS-Guy 1. even if DF-21d's accuraccy is 0.1%, what i said about US carriers sailing out side of DF-21d's range still stands true, so what do you wanna tell us here? You think you are better than your carrier commandors and fleet commandors? 2. The real accuraccy of DF-21d is a military secret, either US nor normal Chinese ppl are able to reach it, I don't even need to google it to find out that your so called "report" is most likely came from US's ESTIMATE, and it's probably was more than 6 years ago. (As a little hint: In 5-6 years, China can do a lot of things and evolve to be a new country. China's grouwth is RAPID in every aspect, ((every 4-5 years I go back to China once and I always got shocked by its develepment in these 4-5 years)) meaning DF-21d could be DF-21e now. Any info about China 5-6 years ago are almost useless)

[@Nightfighter82]

These battles really are based on faulty assumptions that the Chinese Military is actually capable of running intense long term battle sorties and battle management. 1) Corruption and Bribes in the Chinese military are far worse than in Russia and that is never taken account of. - Will they actually have the resources claimed? Likely not to sustain a hostile engagement. 2) They have ZERO combat experience for their Officers, let alone lower enlisted. They barely have an NCO Corp because that concept wasn't originally in the Chinese Military. They are trying to adapt it now, but that will take year to build up. Plus most authoritarian regimes really don't want lower level Sgts and other enlisted making battlefield decisions. 3) Their naval capabilities - I.E. Aircraft carriers are garbage. At the moment, they can't even launch 4th and 5th generation planes off the decks of their carriers with ordinance because the engines are too small. The J-20 can't carry much munitions. Supposedly it has a newer engine and could launch from the new Aircraft Carrier because it uses a similar (stolen tech) launch system as the US. However, that new carrier is at least 5 years out from actual service and another 5 years because they have enough training to run the type of sorties the US does on a routine basis. 4) Sea Lift/Air Lift capacity. China has stolen and made "copies" of some of the US' airlift aircraft like the C-5 Galaxy. But they still only have about 3000 total aircraft. Their airlift capacity is very small compared to the US. So, again is their sealift capacity. They would have to repurpose civilian car transporters and ferries to even come close to having enough transport capacity just to invade Taiwan and they still don't have enough capacity. 5) Army equipment - most of China's army is lightly equipped and just like Russia, their logistics is full of corruption. China also doesn't have it's own oil to keep it's troops moving and it's airplanes in the air. They import all of their oil from Russia, US, and Middle East. Cut off the US and Middle East supply and Russia won't be able to supply them enough for sustained military operations. 6) Coal - Most of China's energy production for electricity is STILL done with Coal. In fact, they are increasing their use of coal while claiming to be building other forms of energy production. Most of their coal comes from Australia. Cut that off and they will likely have major issues with electricity. They already are having major issues with keeping lights on. Can't keep lights on, can't keep up with replacing wartime equipment losses. I could go on, but China is much much weaker than a lot of people actually think because the US media is almost all bought off by China. Oh and their economy is about to crash and then their entire population will crash to about 600M by between 2040 to 2050. About the time their current President wants them to be the world's superpower. Their own population crash will prevent that. Along with major companies moving manufacturing out of China and to other Southeast Asia countries like Vietnam.

[@blee04524]

kids so salty 🤣

[@thewitherchannel1053]

China is the next Russia, militarily speaking. inexperienced soldiers, corruption and 'made in China' tech is the recipe for the next military disaster of this century

[@REGULUS-g6m]

My friend stop smoking whatever you see

[@Nightfighter82]

Do the research and then come back you commies.

[@MartinRichardi]

interesting análisis, but from where the fuck you think china will lose half their population in 30 years??!!??!!

[@steadyjumper3547]

So long as the US leaves all their missiles at home it should be a crushing victory.

[@Jacobarch1981]

is it possible to edit your data files to a more realistic sim?

[@michaelmckinnon431]

I've seen this scenario played out in DCS on the grim reapers YT channel, it makes for a much longer vid, but I think it's more realistic and no so slanted in china's favor.

[@TasteVengence]

Surprised he didn't get to the point where nukes are launched

[@TheRAMBO9191]

No nation would do that off the bat. Maybe Korea cause they have nothing to lose. They know their island are so small their military is not big enough to take others on.

[@xiphias2997]

Lopsided or not, the thing with the F-35 going on insane routes to far away places to refuel is a problem of scenario building. One has to manually choose the home base of an aircraft so that it goes to the right place to refuel. I had that once in a scenario I built where 15 helicopters tried to land on the same frigate. All but the 2 for which it had space ran out of fuel and fell into the sea whilst being surrounded by several other ships to land on. The AI is stupid with some things.

[@mr.normalguy69]

-1,000,000 social credits!

[@ReveredDead]

Simple. China has 2 Aircraft carriers. We have 11. The two largest airforces in the world is the U.S Airforce and U.S Navy. The most advanced carriers in the world belong to the U.S and have classified top speeds. So if China wanted to nuke one. Assuming ample warning. Would use that top speed and get out of the blast radius and survive. Whoever owns the sky and seas will win a war. We saw it with WW2 where after the battle of Midway. Japan lost all their carriers and it was all downhill for them after 1942. They never had the upper hand again. While it is wise not to be overconfident with that 11 carrier force. People need to realize that Chinese made planes, ships and tanks are poorly made, with less advanced technology than our 5th gen fighters and they don't fly nearly as much as American planes. Our Airforce and Navy is always flying and training for war every single day. Does China do the same? Nope. They can't afford the fuel to fly hundreds of planes for training at every base per day. Plus America has fighting experience over the past two decades. While counter insurgency is not the same as large scale warfare. It is combat experience nonetheless. How many wars has China been involved in the past few decades? None. They have this huge army with no combat experience. While we got battle hardened men who have seen hell in different countries. I'm not saying they'll bend like paper. Fighting China would be a bloody war that would probably kill hundreds of thousands (if nuclear would kill millions) but they wouldn't be this big bad unstoppable fighting force. The only way they'd get the upper hand on America is if they did what Japan did and hit us with a massive coordinated surprise attack. Which in the 21st century with Satellites, Radar, Intelligence and early warning systems. There would likely be no surprise attack like Japan did with Pearl Harbor.

[@tkp570]

This made me think of me playing Starcraft with god mode thinking I'm really good

[@openlyracist8055]

I think the guy playing doesn't understand Soviet systems were fairly accurate at striking many targets if the crew understand how to operate it. China would theoretically render any american unit's in the area null, and the only way America would win is by drawing in other nations to make up for the huge supply distance should all current regional unts be exhausted. It's not a China bias, it's a ground reality that our NATO guys would be basically caught out.

[@Highlander247]

Loved watching this i would love to see you do more realistic battles like an iran vs usa war or even a russia vs nato fight. Keep up the good work devildog iv been watching since the start of the dayz stuff.

[@w1serepeater972]

So much realism the scrapped YAL-1 is resurrected and is shooting down missiles hundreds of miles away😂

[@zapman2100]

so does this simulation not take into account logistic resupply system?

[@qweqwe5609]

It can, that's just dependent on whether the scenario author added such a system in. Often it's abstracted/ignored as most scenarios don't run long enough for supply depletion to become a factor.

[@goodman528]

You need to change the orders to your aircraft at the start of the scenario. You can't just let the AI fight it out. In terms of balance, it doesn't look that bad to me. You have a huge amount of F-15EX with AIM-260 JATM. I'm pretty sure I can beat this scenario on vanilla difficulty.

[@desole784]

I was honestly thinking, I could prob beat this with a little optimizing if any at all, I might even do this shit tonight😂

[@yashashwichaudhary5667]

Age of Empires : Real Edition

[@sarttee]

Simulating A Battle Between China and America! Difficulty: ☠☠☠ You will not survive ☠☠☠ THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU LET CHINA BUILD YOUR MICROCHIPS!

[@comradepivot4570]

By the RoC.. Not the PRC. There's a reason why the US wants to defend Taiwan that bad in the first place.

[@clamum9648]

Is this sim pretty accurate actually? Like if you setup Russian invasion of Ukraine, would it play out even slightly reminiscent of the actual events? I mean I wouldn't expect it to be 1:1 but even somewhat similar would be impressive.

[@qweqwe5609]

It would take a lot of work to even remotely simulate that properly, especially considering the consumer version of the game doesn't handle the human element too well. The most of that it goes into by default is just a debuff/buff to unit proficiency. There's also more mundane, but important things it skips over (like the issue of no weather simulation, some forms of intelligence gathering, the effects of losing command and control elements, and some core issues with weapons/sensor stats). Some of those things can be worked around via scripting, but that'll never be optimal, may not always work, and is very labor intensive as it needs to be done per scenario.

[@TheDevildogGamer]

We already did it

[@qweqwe5609]

@@TheDevildogGamer I mean, unless you did another, far more indepth scenario on stream or something, I wouldn't say the other CMO videos you've released did what this guy is asking about. They were more of fun "what if" scenarios and/or hyperfocused on specific incidents/weapon systems. Not to mention being limited for performance reasons; CMO tends to chug real hard with several hundred units if you don't have a beast of a machine to feed it (let alone the several thousand you'd need for a proper "true to life" Ukraine War scenario).

[@gazk9424]

Love these vids

[@julienjeanmuller]

We need a more reliable and realistic version, not a scenario the live in Chinese fantasy.

[@garyevans3051]

Thanks for the warning….after that I didnt even stay

[@GST_HENNN]

SO THIS IS THE 31ST MEU U ARE USING COVERING S/E ASIA??

[@Lone_GamerUK]

how do you set up a basic AI side vs AI side in game - i got to side and basic add units but couldnt find a correct way to to get the AI to fight each other?

[@GentiluomoStraniero]

Simulate two carrier battle groups. One to the south of Taiwan and one to the north.

[@Bellthorian]

I have command, what scenario is this?

[@caprirutledge7678]

Why would a fleet go down the South China Sea while at War for destroying everything that would oppose it?

[@ianjarvis9511]

Play more of this, very interesting!

[@crawling0in0my0skin]

Its weird that you had no Aerial refuel capabilities. as theres a Tanker squadron based out of Okinawa

[@Sam-Fisher]

Amazing video

[@PanzerKorps-uv5lg]

Very nice videos ;))

[@nikoc8968]

China is like a Pokemon or Magic player having all the best cards in the most competitive stack youve ever seen...but dont know how to actually use them to play the game. xD

[@JeffMiller-t3e]

The reality of this really is a no win scenario. Logistics is key..

[@subjectc7505]

Command Modern needs to be played more. I'm looking to pick it up. Can we also make custom asset's? I have a few things on paper I want to see, work out in the real world.

[@TheDevildogGamer]

They have a ton of hypothetical assests like the Naval F-117 etc etc

[@qweqwe5609]

The developers of CMO purposely restricts editing the values of units or their weapons/sensors in the consumer version, that's only a feature of the commercial licensed version. And as far as I'm aware, they're only selling that to governments or corporate thinktanks, so the best Devil could do is add/remove weapons from existing units.

[@subjectc7505]

@@qweqwe5609 dang wanted to test some aircrafts and a SAM system site I came up with

[@patricksutfin9374]

@@qweqwe5609 You can also change sensors on existing platforms and the datalinks to make weapons work.

[@nosauceyesrough3576]

How hard do you have to cope to not have tankers in a war sim. Like they really live in an entirely different world.

[@kunlun999]

Taiwan itself has lots of weapons and forces, but it does not show up at all in this video. Weird.

[@KG-iy6nc]

I love these videos! Please make more combat simulations. Anything Ukraine related would be especially interesting.

[@getgaijoobed6219]

1:27 I watched a video from T&P, who researches and analyzes military equipment/strategy. Basically, China doesn’t outright lie about their capabilities like Russia has. However, they, like most defense companies in the west, will stretch weapon system capabilities. For example, the stated range of a missile may be 200 mi, but that range is only achieved when launched at high altitude and high speed against a large, slow moving target. I think the narrative of the Chinese bing like the Russians and constantly blatantly lying about the capability of their systems is a dangerous stereotype that lives in the minds of uninformed people in the west. As Russia recently learned, never underestimate your potential adversary.

[@reductivefall3]

What is this program?

[@sleepyjoe4529]

Where are all the hypsonic missiles? df 17 / 21 / 27?

[@donaldstanker9692]

Most modern war games make it almost impossible to beat Chinese or soviet ships aircraft etc. This game, Coldwaters, soviet or Chinese ships, aircraft take out U.S. ships, aircraft 100% of the time with ease. In reality look how easy it has been for Ukraine to take out Russia's ships

[@nicologiani3426]

Well, if you try to simulate sinking of Moskva in this game, is quiet easy to sink it. Less easy if Moskva has all sensors on, but definitely possible.

[@neymarjr_.]

@@nicologiani3426 ofc they had US intelligence aka CIA

[@GaionSputro]

​@@neymarjr_. LONG LIVE ASEAN!

[@frankwu3466]

I didn't see the mid-range missiles anywhere

[@thierrybo6304]

Perhaps you coul solve the f35 refueling issue with a no-navigation zone over taiwan and taiwan strait

[@Bluztaken]

The following is just an educated guess ...an opinion. Since the goal of the US Navy would be to protect Taiwan, they would not sail so close to China's shoreline, I am sure they would position themselves eastward of Taiwan in deeper waters. As for China, their goal would be to silence Taiwan's air defenses for amphibious/aerial landings. So assuming China gets first strike, they would launch cruise missiles against any airfield that could operate military aircraft, including civilian airports. They would flood the sea area between mainland China and Taiwan with any ship able to shoot at an air target, while escorting landing craft across the strait. They would not directly engage US Navy warships if they could help it. While a carrier is a tempting target, a US Navy Nuclear submarine would be more valuable for message sending. That said, airborne US Navy assets would be on their menu. The Chinese Navy would only shoot at US Navy warships in self-defense or because those assets are threatening their AO/AR. The Chinese Navy would run interference against US Navy surface assets but would aggressively hunt US Navy submarines in the strait between the mainland and the island. Once Chinese ground troops reach Taiwan's soil, the US would have to commit ground troops, not likely to happen (In my opinion). Once mainland Chinese ground troops are on the island, the US Navy would work to harass re-supply units crossing the strait but diplomats would be working to cease hostilities, which would not include returning Taiwan to a sovereign state., in my opinion.

[@craigcas117]

never paid attention to how close taiwan is to china.

[@BENKYism]

The Taiwan Blitz scenario from the Chains of War campaign is a lot better

[@igottagopee4871]

HypOps did a really neat video like this, only it's more realistic. Might be a good example.

[@Louis-ji3sn]

I wish you would do both sides on autopilot for the whole war if possible (time condensed to maybe 10min).

[@DaveDashFTW]

Love CMO, but there’s something seriously broken with the stealth characteristics in the game. Due the RCS of a F-35 an “on paper” S-400 shouldn’t be able to detect one until about 20-30NM out. And that’s if they’re the only thing in the sky at that time. With the massive chaos of battle like in this scenario, it would be very hard to pick out stealth aircraft from the general noise. I’ve also noticed the AI seems to know where your fleet is all the time. IRL there’s the horizon to deal with, ground based or ship based systems can’t see far over the horizon. Not sure how those billion ASMs can even target your fleet so far away, especially factoring in ECM. Edit: Reading tests on the CMO forums it appears stealth characteristics are more or less properly modelled. I think this scenario is extremely generous with the S-400 capabilities. The game though still has a too perfect picture of the fog of war.

[@Sam-Fisher]

Nice content

[@FireTight]

just stop

[@SBMPLYMA]

Is this Dane Cook?

[@whatiswhat4]

Setu up a realistically ballanced battle between China and the US ner Tiwan.

[@conanc1487]

Love these but would love to see something a bit more realistic

[@acestillwell98]

What I also wonder is how ground units would play into this. If we went to war with China like this, within hours Marines would be ready to land on their shore, the only thing they need is a pocket of safe air space to land and get a foothold.

[@BENKYism]

0:28 Xi got the new power wheels

[@idkwhyimhere6478]

Wish this don't actually happen irl

[@ludan8984]

China would shoot ground to air missiles instead of a2a combat.

[@TheRAMBO9191]

That's just not fun when it's handicapped one sided. They are compensating for small peen. 😂If they were confident in their military they would put in the work to code out all details for both sides.

[@bigmike3244]

I’m confused didn’t you used to have more subs did I miss something and this type of content might have something to do with the low views but I might just be tripping

[@t74guard78]

Not sure why you wanted to use this for this. The Chinese equipment has not be battle tested. They, just like Russia, bark, bark, bark with very little bite. Why in the world would the carrier group be sailing through the Taiwan Straight during a conflict? There is no way it would get that close. I don't think I can watch it. The fact that the Chinese made this is ridiculous and again, why in the hell would you even want to use this?

[@trinajoiecaraos3809]

One Anthem is South!

[@trinajoiecaraos3809]

North Korean Defeat

[@sageg58]

I love the cmo vids, just got into it

[@michaellee4694]

wow so all of the chines stuff is WAY out of spec for what there capable of, AND they hand to handcuff the us to do it. That's so cute.

[@harrygriffiths-iy5gb]

Do one with Australia and the us verse China or something like that it sounds interesting

[@MiniMotoAlliance]

So the Chinese made game shows the Chinese would win a war against the world's largest military power. You don't say?

[@shahinmiah3996]

Except the branded yanke USA, no one in earth will attack a carrier battle group win war plane, at first you can expect a handed of hypersonic missiles.

[@The-AmericanPatriot]

Durka Durka China get FUCKKKKKEDDDDDDDD

[@AlexisLopez-pb8ms]

I wonder if Chinese players really think that these scenarios are realistic or do they think it’s cap as well.

[@PoetofHateSpeech]

Do you think America can beat a peer nation? 🤣🤣 For starters, Russia's hypersonic missiles make the US above water fleet obsolete

[@tinto278]

5 b-2'S in Australia as well.

[@magnaviator]

Since when did Russia bluff? Or China for that matter. They both have hyprsonics, US just cancelled it's program.

[@randomaccount3365]

Are there any ways to modify it to where we can win comfortably? 🤣🤣

[@DennisMclaughlindapo3t]

Hope this is the model Xi uses so he can get rug pulled

[@blamalam7257]

Well Devildog nvm the scenario you played, China's 5 greatest weaknesses aren't represented in this scenario , 1 mainly the technological disadvantages China has , basically they use reverse engineered second hand older generation fighters and bombers, 2 the fact that one carrier group is permanently based on Japan plus the fact that there'd be at least two others available within less than 24 hours, 3 the assets in the Philippines and Guam are massive, 4 mainly the fact that yes this scenario showed the fact that lots of missiles and anti ship ordinance was fired ,but that kind of thing is too advanced for the Chinese pilots even now , it takes even in aircraft 2 generation's ago a bare minimum of 20 hours weekly or monthly to develop and train to keep basic piloting skills and basic combat skills to the bare minimum ,US pilots get 40 hours BTW, whereas Chinese pilots are LUCKY to get on avg 8 hours in the same period ,si.ilar problem for their naval forces and ground forces ,5th and last weakness is the biggest ,10 years ago the CIA had China's Merchant Marine Fleet at 3,500 ships and rising to service andsustain their fleet ,while the US at the time had just under 300, meaning to protect the Merchant Marine ships supplying the Chinese Navy ,would take the ENTIRE CHINESE NAVY, so the combat power of their navy is greatly exaggerated especially in those 1 to 2 generation knock off US designed ships they use,see their Diesel Submarine fleet 😉 ,especially as you consider the US could easily modernize its laws governing Privateers and incentivize private businesses to sponsor privateers in refurbished mothball and reserve fleet assets, thus helping to curb China's Military Supply capability plus their civilian shipping which would be a legitimate target seeing as the US still has provateeting laws on the books and refused to Sign Nato and Geneva Treaties banning mercenaries and Privateering .

[@ferrous3262]

chinese planes arent second hand they are newly built with western like avionics

[@apiee6241]

@@ferrous3262 chinese aircrafts are build based on russian jets from 1970. Its basically russian jets but chinese made. Do your research lol

[@apiee6241]

@@ferrous3262 how does 5th gen j20 cant detect f35 But f35 can detect j20 from 120km?

[@ferrous3262]

@@apiee6241 i have done my research chinese airforce isnt made up of planes based from russian design they currently have j-10 j-20 and soon the j-35

[@ferrous3262]

@@apiee6241 this f35 story isnt even real

[@Sam-Fisher]

Keep it up

[@rickjames18]

Yeah, would love to see a good realistic but fair example of this scenario. Maybe you could include the bombers stationed in Australia, Japan would likely join as they have stated. I know they did recent wargames where they realized the US won almost every single scenario but the loses varied a lot depending on the stategy and available capabilities. The US would likely need at least 2-3 battle groups if available. Also, AWACS would never be flying within range all by themselves and F-35s woudn't cross in front of S-400s to refuel. Sounds like some little pink just wanted to feel better after Pelosi.

[@loxachi1291]

Use the B-1 and B-2s out of Guam for launching a mass LRASM strike on PLAN fleet, protected by F-35s acting as sensors and F-18s being shooter. Rest of the F-35s should do a SEAD sweep with internal SLAM-ER backed up with a few B-2s loaded with JASSM in conjunction of that strike package. All of these packages supported by F-18Gs jamming the enemy. Add in ROK and Japanese navy their Aegis vessels should make defending the Yellow sea and East China Sea against air incursion much, much easier. Get those E-2s flying off the carrier and E-3s flying out of Guam and South Korea, they will massively help in detecting J-20s and bombers. 24X F-15EX on a 8x rotation supported by a F-18G, E-3 and KC-130 will make short work of bombers in the Yellow sea and their escorts. Add in the Japanese, Taiwanese and South korean airforces. Thats an extra 280X F-16A/C/V, 214X F-15C/Js, 63X F-35, 31X AWACs aircraft If the *entire* PLA airforce came after that force plus American aircraft the ratio of PLA 4th/5th gens to Western 4/5th gens is 2:1. Very favorable odds when Aegis and the AWACS advantage is taken into account.

[@jmoney2568]

I agree.

[@imjwin]

What’s up Broski 🦋,