Enoch Powell on The Post-Imperialism Of Britain And India | The Dick Cavett Show

Broadcast from London, Dick Cavett questions British politician Enoch Powell about India's independence from Britain. Featuring British presenter Jonathan Miller.
Date aired - May 14th 1971 - Enoch Powell and Jonathan Miller
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[@CardinalBiggles01]

Good grief. Even though Miller despised Powell (maybe vice versa), look at the respect and the honest engagement they both show each other. They are both actively listening and thinking about what one another are saying. Any chance we could have that today please? Edit Miller

[@tzazella751]

you said it yourself. miller DESPISED powell. and so the seeds of hatred and vitriol are sewn.

[@patrickpaganini]

No chance. Forget about respect - we don't even get to have a differing opinion these days.

[@andypeterson3070]

I'm afraid such times are in the history books unfortunately.

[@andypeterson3070]

@K F I've just got the word axiomatic defined and I agree with your point.

[@stevebrindle1724]

@@andypeterson3070 It's self-evident!

[@rubster1975]

This was a time where it was still possible for two intellectuals to fundamentally disagree with eachother, without resorting to overshouting, bullying and luring eachother into rhetorical, one liner traps, like now is the norm. Very refreshing to watch.

[@andyhalstead3949]

One intellectual

[@mjh5437]

@@andyhalstead3949 lol,quite.

[@thecrimsondragon9744]

The genes and culture have been polluted, the IQs lowered significantly. Even intelligent British youths now glorify rap/gang culture from a particular foreign demographic who are far less intelligent than they are. When a society glorifies and glamorises ignorance and violence, it begins to embody those very things. The seeds of self-destruction have been sowed.

[@pizzaDhut]

"I suppose every generation has to recover from what it was taught in its youth"

[@andypeterson3070]

Lets hope today's does.

[@nathaneivers8700]

*cough* *cough* Christianity *cough*

[@call911beaaatch]

the indians have adopted a old english culture that the true english reject, also india fought for england in ww2 enoch did not want to admit in this clip.

[@weignerleigner3037]

@@nathaneivers8700 what’s wrong with Christianity?

[@FlavourlessLife]

Never happened with the boomers though, did it?... Shame.

[@karmicbacklash]

Enoch Powell was an anomaly amongst politicians not only for his high intellect and uncommon insights, but for his honesty, even when the tide turned against him he was steadfast in his opinions. I have a huge amount of respect for that even if don't have the same level of respect for his politics.

[@tomhidley6763]

That’s a fair point. Seems like a nasty bloke but I respect his honesty.

[@kwazooplayingguardsman5615]

english identity is literally being co-opted and dissolved right infront of our eyes. Literally listen to his full speech spoken in wolverhampton. Not snippet, but the full speech and tell me if ANYTHING he said was untrue. he was prophetic and what england is losing is the very right to call itself a separate and unique identity in their own HOMELAND.

[@fellspoint9364]

Enoch speaks the truth so eloquently that contemporary politicians would faint

[@notsoaveragejoe7275]

Yes, classic racism justification. Just call anything someone says that is racist or xenophobic honest, and then pretend you've made a good point

[@procc1983]

You are odd as well as average. You should meet my friend Even Steven.@@notsoaveragejoe7275

[@ThePierre58]

A man of extraordinary intellect. He scored a perfect score at Oxford, Double first in Classics. 100 percent in final exam. Learnt languages as a hobby, ending with Hebrew in his 75th year.

[@davidbamford1971]

Absolutely I didn't agree with him on everything, in particular on his attitude to Ireland. However there is no denying his eloquence, or intelligence. He started his military career as a private, and by the end of the war ended up a brigadier. He spoke several languages, and was self taught in Portuguese, and Russian.

[@fossehigh]

No doubt about it he was an intellect. My parents were in his constituency in Wolverhampton in 1950s. They said he was a good MP for the area. Always wanting to do his best for the constituents. A strong sense of duty. To be honest apart from the “ rivers of blood speech” I don’t know anything else he said.

[@alexreg]

@@davidbamford1971 What was his attitude towards Ireland, out of curiosity?

[@km99999]

He knew sanskrit and spoke urdu.

[@ThePierre58]

@@km99999 Pashtu i think...i learned phrases while working with Pakistanis...

[@Setnja92]

I see, that the idea "Britain doesn't need to be (part of something) big, to be great" won after all.

[@nigefal]

It is not great or big now, the worst of both worlds.

[@mwd331]

Yeah, and what a fabulous success it has been..

[@ianabroad]

I have never heard this insightful perspective about Anglo / India relations and then so eloquently summed up in just five minutes.

[@aadamkhan5217]

Germany/India relations? Anglo lol

[@heishephaestion4178]

@@aadamkhan5217 clown response.

[@BedlamsBluff]

For Nigel Farage or any right-wing politician to be compared to Mr Powell is a great compliment for them, and a great disservice to him. He was the type of man with the type of convictions and ability to articulate them that we sorely lack in the present day.

[@jumpingjackd1487]

Nigel Farage changed Britain for good though his campaign against the EU. Powell remained on the sidelines watching Britain change for good, the UK join the Common Market and India leave the UK's orbit. Therefore, Farage is the better politician. He brought numbers and immigration, the EU back to the centre stage without racialist tensions.

[@cyngaethlestan8859]

@@jumpingjackd1487 Sir. Mr Powel foresaw the direction of the then E.E.C. and debated strongly and clearly against staying in it during the referendum. (there is a good clip on youtube.) No one man can turn the tide alone but Mr Powel spoke against the weight of opinion when no one else would on many subjects, (NOT just immigration or the E.E.C.) Mr Farage has his place in history as does Mr Powel, neither will be forgotten.

[@samuelmurdock5767]

@@jumpingjackd1487 he was sidelined by Heath, jealous of Powell's abilities

[@tubit9]

@@jumpingjackd1487 Without Enoch Powell , Nigel Farage would not have been able to persuade enough people to vote leave . The ignored people of the north who have suffered so much from mass immigration for the past 50 years which saw their chance to stuff the ruling classes from the southern part of this country and took it with both hands .

[@ryanv3015]

@@jumpingjackd1487 The Conservative backbenchers played a far greater role than that stockbroker.

[@richardbethell2243]

Loved seeing Mr Powell visit my village when I was a young lad, wonderful man and one real British gent-born english and always will be-my mums teacher Ms Mary Whithouse was the same in life as Mr Powell (Britain first) as both loved chatting over nice pot of tea with some of my family back in the 70-80's Bless Enoch

[@hewen8199]

A politician you could disagree with and respect at the same time. Where have they gone?

[@jumpingjackd1487]

Britain has good political leaders. Its a myth to say otherwise. We should avoid beating down the political leadership. brexit showed that the UK has a healthy political debate, even though at times it went a bit crazy!

[@pizzaboy3946]

@@jumpingjackd1487 Teresa May was no good example of a political leader.

[@danielkrcmar5395]

@@jumpingjackd1487 I've no idea who you've been watching our who you're comparing them to if you think we still have political leaders of the caliber of 40-50+ years ago.

[@109joiner]

@@pizzaboy3946 She seemed a decent enough person to me.

[@rctube1958]

The respect or the politician?

[@keithmockridge3329]

How i would have loved to meet this incredible politician.

[@craiglittle1437]

Lovely tone to his voice, always spoke his mind eloquently. Remarkable man.

[@MANCHESTER.IS.BLUE.49]

The way he explained that was just brilliant...he makes a complicated subject sound so simple..

[@eusebiothomas2481]

What a giant. Feel privileged to have seen him in the 60's and 70's. Today's parasites have no comparison whatsoever in any way or form.

[@kingkonut]

Absolutely fascinating and impressive man.

[@briantaylor7743]

Today he'd be a breath of fresh air . he makes sense

[@jacquelineithell307]

Yes sadly some people are born too soon if he had come along 30 years later what a impact we would of seen for the good of his wisdom Jackie

[@cusmaancumar7356]

He makes nonsense in this time and era.

[@patrickdoyle9304]

There's no way anything as interesting and intelligent as this would be given 10s on american chat shows these days

[@bradavon]

You know Powell was deeply racist, no question right?

[@janetcalderwood6385]

@@bradavon no he wasn't he was spot on nt racist

[@bradavon]

@@janetcalderwood6385 show me a racist who agrees they're racist?

[@dagdom1280]

@@bradavon what is very interesting is that in the 1950’s Powell was one of the greatest voices about equality and the ending of British Dominance rule and theory that they were superior to others in the world. This was best described by his speech upon the Hola Camp massacre. It was even described by Lord Dennis Healey as the most stupendous speech he had heard given as the rhetorical and intellectual language flowed the speech on as an act of pure oratory genius.

[@bradavon]

@@dagdom1280 seems that's similar to many Brits views on Churchill. He's loved, particularly by the rights, despite having those superiority views.

[@Arareemote]

I recommend to any folks watching this to go look up some of Enoch's writings on India. He was deeply taken and besotted by the country and his time there during the war. His recollections in writing highlight in him a sense of moving and heartfelt sincerity you'd think alien having heard the portraits of him painted today.

[@archiebald4717]

Powell was a great intellect, so wise and so precient..

[@budte]

The greatest prime minister we never had. And his dire predictions about unassimilated migration to the UK have proven sadly profound.

[@V12F1Demon]

Unassimilated??

[@budte]

@@V12F1Demon Assimilated means to be absorbed into. For example, a friend of mine from Barbados worked on the cruise ships and met an English girl who he marrried and therefore gained permission to come to England with her. He lived and worked among English people. They had two daughters who went to English schools and when they got older were free to date and marry English people. My friend and his descendants were absorbed (assimilated) into a single ongoing British culture. This contrasts deeply with unassimilated immigration which is what Powell foresaw and warned against. He said there were immigrants who would not be assimilated into our British culture, but would live and marry among themselves, even looking back in their home countries for wives and husbands for their daughters and sons. They would live alongside us, colonising us and turning us 'multi' cultural. And he said they had prolific fertility rates and would become the future material growth of this country. He said it would be like watching a nation busily engaged in heaping up its own funeral pyre. He has been proven to be 100% correct.

[@alphabet_soup123]

Love him or hate him, I could listen to Enoch Powell all day... he has lots of valuable ideas to share, whether they be correct or incorrect, they are thought provoking.

[@SagaciousFrank]

He was an intellectual giant, especially compared to the drek in places of power now.

[@ShahidKhan-ke8fe]

what do you think of Rishi Sunak as Prime Minister? I bet Enoch wouldn't approve.

[@mjh5437]

@@ShahidKhan-ke8fe Sunak is nothing but a Tony Blair mk2.

[@nicholasmartin297]

@@mjh5437 He even sounds like him. Probably deliberately.

[@johkupohkuxd1697]

@@ShahidKhan-ke8fe Sunak is a posh brit lol. He and his family assimilated wonderfully. If his color or genetics is a problem then may god help you.

[@scroopynooperz9051]

Fascinating discussions between articulate, well read and historically knowledgeable individuals. Diverging views between them but no animosity to speak of. Why can't we have this kind of media and talkshows on the mainstream anymore?

[@andypeterson3070]

Because people today have a different mentality to those back then.

[@jamesanthony5681]

I suppose we could have this kind of discussion but it would have to be on a podcast. I know of two (2) individuals, both almost 60 years old and college educated, who up until 10 years ago had never heard of Joseph Stalin. How does that happen? That's an extreme, but history isn't taught like it was 50+ years ago.

[@eddieingalls534]

It is sad to think so many today will listen to Powell and think he is speaking an entirely different language as his ability to think so quickly and eloquently is unique - to the point he had to be destroyed because his intelligence was feared, as was his deep respect among the people, opponents and supporters alike.

[@jakeb4221]

Watch Odd One Out if you haven’t already - a Cockerell documentary on his extraordinary life. Superb

[@elizabethannegrey6285]

He was absolutely correct about Britain and the EU. The reverberations of Brexit are continuing to this day (year 2022).

[@rangedlime]

My goodness what a remarkable man

[@stevojames1813]

A man who stood on the shoulders of all those Great British Men and Women who came before him. Tragically those who followed him have not been able to able to reach such heights. All too many of today's academics and politicians are intellectual pygmies, lightweight, shallow and vacuous!

[@billybronco4223]

Whatever your view on his politics Enoch Powell was undoubtedly an intellectual giant. Although poles apart politically from Tony Benn they were both deeply suspicious of the European project both believing it was undemocratic.

[@chibuo4733]

A bit like colonialism and empire right? Wrong, you get to choose whether to join, on which terms and play and active role in the decision making - sounds like democracy (on an international level) to me. Colonialism and empire on the other hand, hmmm...

[@adamc9058]

@@chibuo4733 - Indian widows would still be burnt alive if not for the Brits 🙌🏻

[@andrewspence7635]

Because the EU is undemocratic they are a law unto themselves . Who in their right mind thinks the EU is democratic. The treaty of Rome is destined for failure .

[@chad0x]

an intellectual minnow, preying on the weaknesses of the feeble minded

[@billybronco4223]

@@chad0x Powell graduated from Cambridge with a double first and was a professor by the age of 25. Yes a real intellectual minnow.

[@Incessuserro]

We are in great need of such men today.

[@chibuo4733]

To keep would-be colonists and white supremacists tf out of their countries! NEVER AGAIN..!!

[@Incessuserro]

@@chibuo4733 Eventually the White Man will return as the dark skinned peoples are unable to govern themselves yet are in possession of valuable natural resources and strategic chokepoints. But, don't worry, the White Man is a benevolent colonizer and their countries will benefit as they did before.

[@philipmanchester5095]

Im sure you know very well that many former colonial subjects lament that their countries became hideously corrupt and inefficient upon independence and that's why so many of them wish to move to the mother country.

[@budweiser600]

If I could give one message from 2022, Enoch Powell is right, and a hero! Listen to him, else you'll find yourself in a hellish replacement dystopia.

[@mjh5437]

Too late,we`re already there.

[@dixie8418]

The discourse is merely discourse and not about being right or wrong. Being right or wrong is only for the audience to decide. But their ability is sure an admirable quality to those of two combatants in world-class championships.

[@Emsie76]

Serious class back then. No personal insults. Proper English. As it was. Before multiculturalism. RIP Enoch.

[@jonathanharker4403]

Multiculturalism was introduced by Blair who opened the floodgates to the entire world. You even have white Brits speaking with multicultural accents nowadays, whereas thirty years ago all ethnic groups in the UK spoke with a proper British accent.

[@ajarnwordsmith628]

Multiculturalism? Ah, I see that you are a "little Englander". If you have an overseas empire, the chickens might come home to roost...

[@saltydog1944]

What I also notice, is that they are very civil. A civil conversation where they are not interrupting eachother all the time and they are not shouting. And nowadays you see what has become. People are affraid of the truth and rather hear a beautiful lie than the hard truth. People cannot accept eachothers opinion and everyone wants to be right. I see this is mostly part of the left and progressive way of thinking. Shout as hard as you can so nobody can hear what the other person has to say.

[@davidmccann9811]

I agree, but it's the same on both the left and right. Both sides get hysterical if they hear an opposing view and try to silence those views with childish insults.

[@martinbennett9578]

Enoch, a brilliant intellect.

[@nathaneivers8700]

Brilliantly racist. His speech to Parliament warned immigration would lead to the "River Tiber foaming with much blood"

[@iancharlton678]

@@nathaneivers8700 a lazy and inaccurate portrayal of a great and inspirational man. Read up on his history…. read his speech in its entirety, in its context. It was then and remains popular to hurl the term racist at anyone you don’t agree with, without a true understanding of what they said or meant. A racist wouldn’t learn to speak Urdu, Greek, Welsh and Portuguese…. fluently, if wasn’t passionate about the world and all races in it.

[@jimmytwotimes2275]

[@mrogrady2227]

@@jimmytwotimes2275 go get the papers

[@plasticpaddy985]

@@nathaneivers8700 Even if you're convinced this is what he is, he'll still have 10 times the value that you ever will in terms of his intellect and perspective.

[@StepSoftlyGhost]

I hated Powell for many years, for seemingly no good reason at all. Everything I had "learnt" about him was a complete fabrication, and things I have come to know about him since have warmed me to him. He seemed like a charming, intelligent and caring man, fluent in many languages including Urdu, and even classical ones such as Hebrew and Aramaic. He absolutely loved all cultures, which ironically is a trait seen in many on the right, as they don't wish to see them all blended into some bland insignificant soup. However, wishing for cultures to remain unique and interesting is, like most things these days, somehow "racist." A remarkable man.

[@subu150390]

As an Indian, I agree with Enoch. Wish we had honest guys like him today.

[@wordimobi5765]

Well said. Empires are not simplistic entities, there are positives and negatives for both the coloniser and colonised. The British were colonised themselves by Romans, Saxons, Vikings and Normans, yet they do not view this experience historically as a negative, particularly with regard to Rome. Powell appreciates this complexity, Miller's analysis is the simplistic and historically ignorant anti-European argument that dominates today, contributing as it does to Western civilisation's collapse.

[@subu150390]

@@wordimobi5765 Thanks. While I agree with Mr.Powell, I don't quite agree with your analogy. The britsh Raj happened after the industrial revolution and Renaissance. Therefore the various excesses of the British can't be whitewashed by comparing it with the Saxon rule which was at a time in human history where barbarians were the norm.

[@justinpals124]

YOUR NOT A INDIAN..... YOUR A TWO BIT PHONY... BRITIAN DESERVED TO LOSE INDIA AND ALL OF HER COLONIES..... IT'S GREAT SEEING BRITIAN BECOMING DIVERSE BY ALL OF HER FORMER COLONIES.....

[@Prometheus7272]

@@subu150390 Question who started the industrial revolution?

[@subu150390]

@@Prometheus7272 That rhetorical does'nt have anything to do with what we're discussing.

[@AJR-vn2um]

Enoch would be very popular today

[@Costa_del_Artlepool]

Not in London, Birmingham, Leicester, Luton, Bradford, Rotherham etc

[@Cranndaddy]

@@Costa_del_Artlepoolunfortunately, I doubt he would do as well anywhere else either. A man so eloquent, grounded and concise with his ideas would be 100% shut down and ostracised by the disgusting media in the country (as he is even as a dead man). The issue/object of immigration and failure of mass cultural assimilation is tied to some extreme ideologies and unfortunately - even a scholar like Enoch would be reduced to a label such as bigot or racist.

[@johnwilson-tq9gr]

what a great visionary enoch was a true politician

[@hughcalder6156]

This conversation would of been better if it was done in Urdu (with subtitles.) Then we wouldn't have to listen Mr. Miller as Enoch could speak it effortlessly and his love for India is well known. All the facts about Mr. Powell are impressive. His mother taught him Greek when he was twelve.. double first from Cambridge.. Volunteered for the army in WW11 .. joined as a Private and left as a brigadier, his list of achievements goes on .. Just imagine where we would be today and if he was our PRIME MINISTER then and if we never joined the EU ..

[@jonsimmons4150]

100% the downfall of the uk was not having enoch as prime minister

[@johnrushworth360]

A most eloguent speaker, we will never see his like again, rest in peace

[@katalac]

I ,myself prefer Jonathan Miller

[@d.marques4700]

Enoch Powell is a Hero to an increasing number of British Patriots! He had the courage to say what had to be said!... This man deserves our full RESPECT!

[@andypeterson3070]

Enoch you tried your best pal...there was no more that you could have done. RIP old friend to the indigenous British people.

[@startmakingsense2071]

Sorry other races upset you

[@andypeterson3070]

@@startmakingsense2071 It's not about them upsetting me. It's about not wanting millions coming here to live and our cultural identity being lost. London is not recognized as being the capitol of England any more in appearance and it shouldn't be like that. I'm talking about sheer numbers that don't appear to be slowing down. Ask anyone from Poland, Pakistan, Nigeria, China, Brazil or Russia if they would like the same transformation with immigration that we have had in our major UK cities and I bet the far majority of them would say no.

[@Grail_Knight]

I have never agreed more with a politician

[@georgemorley1029]

Right on Europe, right on immigration, right on Post-imperialism.

[@frankienamosaki7547]

I am not questioning his sincerity (that much) but its still a very romantic view of British colonialism...

[@md-nv4rg]

i seriously doubt he holds that view in his personal life. Here it works very well for him because ,using it, he can tip toe around all the criticism that he couldn't otherwise address directly when talking about this subject

[@frankienamosaki7547]

Haha not. Married her mom, married her dad lol! You get the point...

[@stevehazam9991]

WHAT A BRILLIANT ORATOR AND HIGHLY INTELLIGENT STATESMAN, IF ONLY PEOPLE HAD LISTENED TO HIM 50 YEARS A AGO WHAT A COUNTRY WE WOULD HAVE TODAY . SUCH A SHAME HE WAS DISMISSED IN SUCH A CRUEL MANNER.

[@sacredsoma]

Enoch was gold

[@willg.6168]

White gold?

[@Quickxphos]

@@willg.6168 That's a word for cocaine

[@Quickxphos]

@Rocknrolladube Amazing point

[@CommanderFox2020]

This brother is getting more correct every day

[@jazzkatt7083]

These two gentlemen elevate the English language and civil discourse to an art.😊

[@vinylisland6386]

I like the depth of thought and the attempt by both men to find some real truth behind each other's contrary assertions.

[@ulfhednar9]

Enoch Powell is the hero of mine I would have given anything to shake his hand and say you were right

[@senianns9522]

An interviewer that actually listens to his guests replying to the questions that have been asked! Those were the days!

[@suzie7573]

God bless you Enoch. A man with intelligence dignity and most of all truth for the love of his people and his country.loving your country and Your people is never ever a crime. Ever.

[@trackdusty]

So true. And bless you for saying it. What a man! If he'd prevailed, we'd still have our nations.

[@azadrasheed497]

I've had the fortune to listen to some great debates in The House of Commons.When it became known that Enoch Powell,Michael Foot,Tony Benn,would b speaking the House quickly was soon full. The Hansard is a treasure of brilliant oratory.Heath's anti hanging speech,Enoch Powell's exposure of the horrors committed by the British Army in Kenya,. Looming is the great man himself is Churchill..Hansard is not boring.Some libraries do have them.

[@philipmanchester5095]

Powell's speech on Kenya does not fit with how the left portray him...

[@somethingyousaid5059]

He looks a lot like the late actor Robert Shaw in the face.

[@wetlazer]

"He looks like Robert Shaw, in the face." As opposed to ... ? Lolls.

[@somethingyousaid5059]

Wth? There's no "as opposed to" to it. He looks like Robert Shaw in the face. It begins and ends there.

[@wetlazer]

@@somethingyousaid5059 Jesus! OF course if he looks like SOMEONE, ANYONE he looks like them, in the face. Sorry you're too slow to understand the point.

[@somethingyousaid5059]

@@wetlazer I understand that a human being has more than just a face. That's why I specified his face (as opposed to his hair which doesn't look like Robert Shaw's did when he was alive).

[@wetlazer]

@@somethingyousaid5059 My my, you're a humorless fellow, aren't you? Still, thanks for UNDERLINING my original comment. Hahaha.

[@whitefridgefreezer5270]

He could see into the future, what a top bloke.

[@ysaviationtrains2313]

It was Britain's FAULT for colonizing other countries. That's why it happened. Also without us, progress from WWII would have been on an all time low.

[@EJisArete]

@@ysaviationtrains2313 So what you are saying is the the British citizen needs to pay for the bad deeds of it's elites? Cold hearted and spiteful thinking that.

[@ysaviationtrains2313]

@@EJisArete No it isn't horrible for a country that enslaved nearly half of the world. Britain was in tatters after ww2. You needed us people from the Commonwealth to help you. So stop crying about immigration from ex colonies. I know this because I am originally from Pakistan and my dad's side of the family have been here since the 1970s.

[@EJisArete]

@@ysaviationtrains2313 Civilized half the world you heathen.

[@ysaviationtrains2313]

@@EJisArete Ah yes. Typical Colonialist behaviour by using the word 'civilised'. Read up history about the empire then come back to argue about immigration.

[@joshmccollen700]

Powell is supposed to be one of the "bad" guys of history. But he seems terribly reasonable in hindsight.

[@inco9943]

... how about his rivers of blood speech that incited countless instances of violence

[@emperorleachy6435]

@@inco9943 Very based

[@danielkrcmar5395]

@@inco9943 He didn't call for our incite any violence. You can't blame him for something someone else did of their own volition.

[@inco9943]

@@danielkrcmar5395 ... stupid idea.. that way someone could be blameless for something they caused.. e.g. trump recently with the storming of the capitol. Powell knew what he was doing

[@danielkrcmar5395]

@@inco9943 He didn't call for it, incite it or infact go outside the limits of the 1st Amendment. He repeatedly said to respect the police and follow the law. He put a statement out which said to go home which was taken down for "incitement to violence"... a statement saying respect police and go home was incitement!? People have their own agency, if you say one thing and someone take it as another way and does something it's not the fault of the speaker otherwise we're going to end up in a place where no one can say a thing because it will incite someone somewhere.

[@raymarsh5455]

I have witnessed court cases, and the pity is that KZbin never gives you both sides. It edits out anything that threatens the interests of big money... "Every child has to recover from what he was taught in school." - Great quote.

[@billmitchell1955]

Monty Python Life of Brian. "What did the Romans do for us?"

[@jumpingjackd1487]

Did you read up on the painstaking research done by economist Angus Maddison and the counter arguments Tim Worstall ?

[@joshmccollen700]

I had the same thought.

[@andrewjacks2716]

What the British did for India was completely remake the Indian economy into a structure built specifically for the extraction of resources for export to the UK. India's present status as an "underdeveloped state" is due to their under-development by Britain.

[@joshmccollen700]

@@andrewjacks2716 No. Britain introduced an entire canon of modernity to India including modern economics.

[@andrewjacks2716]

@@joshmccollen700 Yeah, the British introduced modern economic thought to India. That's not the same thing as actually benefiting the Indian economy, or the lives of those in India. Just to give a quick and dirty example of how British rule completely destabilized the Indian economy, take the destruction of Indian handicrafts. Without the patronage of the old Indian princely courts, and with the competition from industrially produced goods from the UK, Indian artisans were thrown out of work very rapidly. This destroyed the production of manufactured goods in India, a process supported by British economic policy as it was seen as beneficial to treat their colonial subjects as a source for raw materials and as a market for finished goods, the net result of which was the mass transfer of wealth from the subcontinent to the Britain. Further, the masses of Indian people thrown out of work with little other options created a substantial pool of labor to employ in the production of raw materials (e.g. cotton and indigo) and luxury goods (e.g. tea) for British commerce. This came at the expense of food production, as it was more profitable for landowners to produce non-food agricultural products than it was to produce food. As a consequence, massive famines became a widespread and common occurrence in India. The cumulative effect of all this is that India at the time of independence was a poor agrarian economy highly dependent on the export of agricultural products, and subject to the economic instability that entails. While India was obviously already an agrarian economy before British rule, British rule created and exacerbated conditions which caused the mass impoverishment of the subcontinent.

[@nathandougal9361]

I could listen to him all day

[@crayzmarc]

Miss this guy. He would be shocked at what this once great nation has become!

[@tubit9]

He knew very well how the future would pan out and it has all come to pass and is already far worse than Enoch envisaged , but it will not end until this country is completely destroyed , the choice is take it or leave it and so many will take the latter option over the next few years , I know I will .

[@andypeterson3070]

@@tubit9 Yeah it's such a shame that the traditional UK has gone forever.

[@crayzmarc]

@@tubit9 it would be wrong and misplaced though to direct our anger at those who have come here from abroad to seek a better life as well as to contribute. Those who do though come here just to play the system and take advantage of it should be punished but the mistake we have made is let consecutive governments take power that haven't had a clue or even deliberately created the environment we now live in. The straw that broke the camel's back obviously was Blair. But while we are too busy fighting one another it just allows those in charge to take even more power. Scary times.

[@MeinemLeben]

He would now probably say "I warned you, however no one listened"

[@trackdusty]

@@MeinemLeben Plenty listened and acted but they were suppressed by the cowardly majority of the ruling elite.

[@yidfromfive9783]

This man was right about our Country! Time to take it back!

[@startmakingsense2071]

From whom? The Huguenots? The Normans? The Anglo-Saxons? The Beaker Folk?

[@dineojennifer8233]

The point he makes about the British eagerness to join the EEC is beautifully discussed in one of the episodes of the now defunct but once popular and intelligent sitcom called Yes Minister/Yes Prime Minister, where one character explains the strategic intent that informed the move, which was to stop the emergence of a strong European power by simply keeping the continent divided and distracted. The same reasoning, he went further, lied behind that amophous thing (my words, not his) called the UN. Mass participation there means greater opportunity to keep countries bickering over false issues. British Empire dead? No sir. On the contrary...

[@Ernest-From-England]

Please keep uploading these!

[@tgrahamandrews5679]

We need a person like him today

[@jonsimmons4150]

It will never happen. Enoch was the benchmark that all politicians should be gauged.

[@pamclarke6785]

Agree

[@PabloCruise1]

He would be cancelled.

[@markmorrid8144]

The greatest PM we never had.

[@emilekabba2748]

As an African, from Sierra Leone, I agree with Enoch Powell. Indeed he was an honest man.

[@2catchapred]

Sadly a wonderful person we do not have now

[@DGMusicme]

Best Prime Minister we never had.

[@ifragpsn6431]

Yooooo this dude predicted Brexit before Britain even joined the EU: "... or at any rate, be all the time refusing to be merged in it. And there's not much future in that." And that's exactly what happened even though it seems like this guy got basically savaged by the media. Makes you wonder which current popular movements will fail the test of time.

[@Bhead69]

Clever man

[@adsie79]

He was right about the EU. "Refuse to be merged into something." These people were so right and yet they were ridiculed the whole time.

[@donaldduck7461]

The E.U is a Zionist organisation

[@donaldduck7461]

@@edwardgeorge401 Excellent, at last someone who’s aware.

[@patrickdoyle9304]

Early days. Let's see where u are in 5 years

[@toast2610]

"Refuse to be merged into something." but then to continue the thought... "force others to merge with your something." In other words.. make colonies of others, don't join someone else's empire. The sheer hypocrisy is so utterly brilliant.

[@donaldduck7461]

@ENGLISH KNIGHT Ashkenazi- wake up you plum! They rule us

[@shellsbignumber2]

Powell was one of the best politicians of the 20th centaury.

[@jamaton]

He was a mad fascist.

[@philipmanchester5095]

A "mad fascist" who raced home from Australia to join the British army in order to fight Hitler. He was worth a thousand of a keyboard warrior like you.

[@jimjiminyjaroo300]

It’s very interesting to hear the opinions of a British imperialist. Growing up in Britain in the late 70’s and 80’s I was taught nothing of empire. There’s much ignorance, hence Britain being the mess it is in now. We brushed it under the carpet.

[@cyngaethlestan8859]

Mr Powel was an Anti-Imperialist

[@jdlc903]

What mess are you referring to? How is it caused by your ignorance of the British empire

[@robertburke2246]

Mr Powell absolutely adored India, i have been there once, what a beautiful country.

[@sidhartharaj9852]

It was Indian's virtue to assimilate with british not the other way around.

[@petersinclair8718]

Nice to hear a politician heard. Sadly the reporters now won't let the politicians speak on their shoes thry shout them down instead. They would do well to learn from these interviews.

[@nstix2009xitsn]

What an amazing, excellent man. You know, he was a classicist.

[@adambulewski165]

Definitely. We need that now.

[@mikey2363]

Ahhh conversation. I miss this.

[@Bricks234-o1i]

Does make me wonder what he’d make of someone such as myself, who was born and raised in thr U.K. who is proud to be British, and has Indian heritage.

[@Adamsmithv]

You must go back

[@vishv1814]

@@Adamsmithv i believe enoch was not a racist, but his idealogies woke up alot of racists in the country such as yourselves, i dont blame you for hating indians, we came to your country and exceled way beyond you guys and now we are richer than you lot, work in higher positions awith much higher pay! doctors, engineers,politicians, heck even the big man running the country is indian whilstt you guys stuck doing blue collar jobs...pretty much same situation as uganda where we come to your country and end up better off than you guys...instead of hating us learn from us..

[@davidmccann9811]

As Health Minister he initiated a campaign in India and Pakistan to recruit staff for the NHS, which resulted in 18,000 doctors coming here from those countries. He then went on to praise their work on the NHS. He initially didn't seem to have a problem with immigration because he thought it would always be quite small numbers (way under 1 million), so it would have no real impact on the makeup of Britain. But when the numbers coming here were much larger than he thought, he became alarmed by the potential future impact.

[@julast6658]

Enoch if your listening? We are out of the EU 2021 RIP Great man

[@mythicaltears]

Why are not today's politician's anywhere near this? I mean the eloquence, the intellect etc. Today's politician's are not politician's. They are self centered prime who care about nothing but themselves.

[@johnpugh3348]

The greatest person i ever had the good fortune to meet. Not a day goes by without someone says to me, ENOCH WAS RIGHT,

[@Simo258]

Ill be todays then. Enoch was right.

[@Plantinga314]

Ha! Would you believe it, I'm a young American. And I've been telling the same to who all will hear for ages. Including not a few grey, addle-pated Boomers who ought to know better. Enoch was a prophet. Keep the Faith :)

[@FordTransitvan]

Brilliant man. Sadly right about the UK's future.

[@davidashley4386]

Just WoW ! A very interesting man

[@nutsbutdum]

Enoch Powell was opposed to British imperialism(i.e. conquering and subjugating other countries and cultures) and still he was called xenophobic and racist. Are you starting to see the lie now?

[@yvetteloach8617]

If only they had listened to what he was trying to say. It’s still the same now, perhaps even worse because there is literally no hope, the damage has been done and there is nothing we can do about it.

[@startmakingsense2071]

@@yvetteloach8617 I have much hope. You sound bitter

[@yvetteloach8617]

Probably but there is nothing I can do about the situation.

[@jacquelineithell307]

He was ahead of his time and yet was called a bigot a man who only cared about his country Jackie

[@doctorsocrates4413]

Enoch was correct about the french colonies imposing french on those colonies...most north african nations today have french as their official second language and even place names are of french origin.

[@seamusmcfadden15]

Oh ye because the British totally didn’t impose English on anyone

[@doctorsocrates4413]

@@seamusmcfadden15 it was never imposed..obviously you didn't even watch the video because enoch explains it...ask your self why islamic nations would have french as secondary language.

[@seamusmcfadden15]

@@doctorsocrates4413 watched the full vid , English was certainly imposed on Ireland considering that they banned use of the Irish language and all but ye you know everything

[@mikepen918]

0:12 "If you want to see some of the most attractive children" - that comment would not be acceptable today

[@pizzaboy3946]

And not much else is acceptable today for white people to say.

[@imnotreallyhere9787]

Yes. And this is why the hysteria about Biden touching kids is overblown. He's from a generation where making innocent comments about children being pretty was acceptable. I had an elderly relative who used to make comments about little girls being pretty - I had to explain to him that you couldn't really say that kind of thing in the 2000s, because people might take it the wrong way. He was shocked and didn't understand why.

[@siddharthavicious108]

​@@imnotreallyhere9787Biden didn't get in trouble for calling little girls pretty, he got in trouble for sniffing, kissing and groping them.

[@stevenyourke7901]

Enoch Powell was a genius. Absolutely brilliant classics scholar at Oxford. Whatever you think about his politics, there’s no question about his towering intellect.

[@maddogsenglishmen8020]

His politics were spot on

[@marcotee709]

Miller was disappointed he couldn't get Powell to disagree with him so he can shout 'racist'. He had to just sink back in his seat, gently nodding his head.

[@jumpingjackd1487]

nonsense...

[@maxwellfan55]

Brilliant comment, you are quite right. Powell was too well informed through experience and learning, and highly articulate.

[@ethancoffey3491]

Am I missing something? He seemed to make a good point about how the Indians aren’t appealed to in the same way

[@maxwellfan55]

@@ethancoffey3491 Yes, you are missing some, if I understand your question. Read up a bit on Powell, you may be surprised.

[@donaldduck7461]

Miller was part of the little hat brigade & that brigade invented the word Racist.

[@vcs00railway]

My father, who was Indian but moved to the UK shortly after Independence in the late 1940s, wrote to Enoch expressing support of his views regarding India and its independence

[@Gilbertthetart]

Look at this a bunch of men sitting down, legs crossed and speaking together with a wide range of vocabulary whilst making a solid argument and debate won’t ever see stuff on TV like that anymore

[@Richard-d1y]

Got 3 hour podcasts now. Forget TV.

[@matthewbrooker]

Such important context reaching out across the generations...cheers Miller, Powell and Cavett all!

[@jgrantsf]

Would like to see that show with the British school children.

[@philipmanchester5095]

What a man he was..Compare him to the political pygmies of today.

[@mjh5437]

No comparison.

[@sheilasmith7991]

Enoch we need you now more than ever.❤

[@shellsbignumber2]

Enoch the visionary.

[@mjh5437]

We don`t need a crystal ball to see how mass immigration from uncivilised countries to civilised ones will end....Neither then nor now.

[@Anglo_Saxon1]

Absolutely spot on RIP Mr Powell.

[@GQ2593]

The best prime minister England never had.

[@chaipup7045]

And England was better off for it.

[@jumpingjackd1487]

What would his policy have been stop dock closures in Scotland and Northern Ireland?

[@chaipup7045]

@@jumpingjackd1487 probably send in the troops like Churchill did.

[@ChristinaMitchell-USA]

@@chaipup7045 Powell had a great affection for the Unionists of Northern Ireland. I think Powell would have employed a gentler approach than brute military force.

[@carriec.9834]

@@chaipup7045 oh you been to London recently? It is no longer an English city. Many areas throughout Britain are trashed and permanently foreign. Paris has seen the same level of ruin and disintegration.

[@philipbrackpool2220]

Like Jacob Rees mogg or even George Galloway if you're going to talk to them you'd better know your stuff

[@jasonandlynnechambers3420]

them?

[@Myndir]

@@jasonandlynnechambers3420 Politicians who do their homework.

[@harmlessdrudge]

06:46 Miller talks about government by consent and demonstrates his ignorance of Indian history. Did the Indian people ever choose a government before the Raj? Democracy and representative government was completely unknown in India before the British scheme of educating Indians produced an Indian intelligentsia. Clement Attlee made this point when he said that when educated Indians criticised the Raj and demanded democratic self-government, they were articulating Western ideals that the British had taught them. Before the British created a liberal intelligentsia in India, no Indian thought autocracy was wrong.

[@jumpingjackd1487]

yes, correct. Britain introduced European liberalism in to India, and India was not a democratic state of any form before Britain either. You are also right that Indians were not familiar to the modern form of government and common law which Britain introduced. However, the question isn't that. The question is how Indians felt being connected to England in a way that British foreign policy goals in Asia and Africa could be achieved whilst the economic conditions of the large part of the population worsened between 1870 and 1947 [in 1870 the US overtook India as a bigger economy]. For example, Britain declared war on behalf of people who had no political dispute with Kaiser Willhelm II. Its like India declaring war on Oman or Burma today, and then declaring war on behalf of Britain and taking British army in to Burma or Oman for Indian policy goals. Also during Imperial times, cheap raw materials was sent to Britain from India and those products was sold back to the Indian market at a profit. Its also very well known that Indian tax payers paid for projects like the railways based on triple market value of goods so that the manufactures in England could make huge profits. Moreover the best example is that Churchill could never have been able to take grain from famine hit Bengal (a decision which killed 3 million Bengalis in a matter of months). India was nothing more than a cash cow for Britain's products and services. Prof. Angus Maddison had done a lot of research on global GDP which you can take a look at if interested.

[@histman3133]

@@jumpingjackd1487 In regards to the Bengal Famine of 1943 I hope you aren't suggesting that Churchill had in anyway orchestrated a deliberate genocide of the Bengal peoples because if so then that is completely inaccurate. Yes I would go far as to say that Churchill had perhaps exacerbated it but the issue of the Famine goes far beyond the simplistic notion that it was carried out because the Indians were brown and then The End. The issue of the Famine was a direct result of both natural disasters and corruption taking place on a local level as well as the fact the Japanese had submarines operating in the Bay of Bengal and in that made the topic of food shipments that much more difficult.

[@histman3133]

@@jumpingjackd1487 Because it is my understanding that the crisis in Bengal was discussed at home and that shipments of food such as wheat and barley were to be deployed from all across the Empire including Australia and Iraq and......Canada if I'm not mistaken.

[@jumpingjackd1487]

@@histman3133 Genocide can never be attributed to a famine, so no I would say no to that. However, the prime minister of Britain was the de-facto prime minister of Bengal as well, and had direct moral and legal responsibility for the citizens of Bengal like they did with Scotland or Northern Ireland (Bengalis were subjects of the King-Emperor) . The causes of the famine is a debate and requires further analysis before any conclusions can be drawn (if any can be at all). The Woodhouse Commission and also Prof. Amartya Sen argue that War conditions led to the famine like you suggest, but there is a growing pool of research, highlighted by Dr Sashi Tharoor, who have discovered that famine hit Bengal was was devastated by policy. Think about for a minute what you just said "I would go far as to say that Churchill had perhaps exacerbated it" Would any british prime minister have been able to treat Yorkshire or Northern England in such a way? Not a chance is my argument.

[@histman3133]

@@jumpingjackd1487 Well famine technically can be attributed to genocide if the famine is deliberate. Meaning that if the policies that led to them were implemented with the intention of destroying a group of people slowly through the process of hunger. If a naval port is blockaded or if a city is surrounded by an enemy force with the express desire of killing those inside with both disease and hunger then I would agree that there is a degree of truth to the fact that genocide can implemented under the guise of a famine. The Holodomor was a policy of extermination through famine and Soviet collectivisation. The Third Reich's Generalplan Ost with the intended victory over the Soviet Union was to enact a policy of deliberate famine against the Slavic peoples with the hope of depopulating large swaths of Eastern Europe. Yes that is true that Bengal was an imperial possession and that Churchill was the Prime Minister as well I do agree that policy had played an important role in famine also. To what extent is a matter of debate. As well the statement that would any British Prime Minister would have been able to treat any other possession in such a way? Well it depends on what you mean by this. Does this only extend as far as England and Scotland? The Irish had a potato famine in the 1840s. Now this wasn't a deliberate policy set out by the state to kill Irishman but when the opportunity for say the Ottoman Sultan Abdülmecid donated £1,000 to famine relief the British administration allegedly attempted to block the ships. I mean in this case the Irish are just as white as an Englishman or a Scot. I wouldn't boil issue simplistically to the notion that because they were brown they were somehow mattered less.