Yes, You're Wrong - Matte vs glossy OLED - was I wrong?

[@thedisplayguy]

PLEASE SUPPORT My Work (Guides & Discord): patreon.com/TheDisplayGuy The KZbinr Optimum Tech just released a video giving his thoughts on matte vs glossy, and while much of this will depend on your opinion, I think his conclusions are missing key information as to why I and many other KZbin creators such as HDTV Test, Stop the FOMO, Tech with KG, TFT Central, and Brian's Tech Therapy (All professional display reviewers) consider glossy to be far superior to matte.

[@axcn4733]

no!

[@tusk6489]

Optimum tech is a shill, his review of 540 HZ Zowie was a fraud he never did any UFO test he put up an old UFO test image of a 2 year old Zowie and tried to pass it off as the latest, part of Zowie's rules if you want to be an early access tester is you are NOT allowed to properly review the monitor that would show a negative light on Zowie. This guy is a total FRAUD, he then came and LIED about how there was no real difference between Matte and Glossy. Anybody with functioning eyes an tell you how much cleaner and sharper a glossy display is especially for OLED it's superior in every way.

[@PCMRcult]

@@axcn4733 Found the matte user

[@yzuniga13sa]

No thank you!

[@ٴۥٴٴٴ]

@@yzuniga13saFound the matte user

[@joker_rj9919]

I dont think its a mistake to LG make matte displays, I think the mistake is not to give us a glossy option. The most important is to have the options to choose, let the consumers decide! Like QD-OLED, curved, flat, glossy or matte. I ended getting the Alienware AW3225QF, beast of a monitor, very happy with my choice

[@gurratell7326]

There should ALWAYS be an option between matte and glossy, and preferably between at least to different amount of matt as well.

[@joker_rj9919]

@redg2197 I have always controlled the ambient light in my pc room, so I didnt have to change anything in my daily usage with this monitor. Im not facing reflections in my case

[@joker_rj9919]

@@theSato who is buying an OLED monitor (900 USD +) today is an enthusiast, so its more likely that he would research, care about all the specs and buy exactly what he wants. As I said, QD-OLED could do that with curved, flat, matte and glossy options, why cant W-OLED? How much is costing all that negative reviews about matte finish, how much will they lose? Less or more than making a glossy option?

[@gurratell7326]

@@theSato I'm not sure how exactly the matt finish is applied, but isn't it just an extra layer of film? If it is it shouldn't be THAT complicated to just apply or don't apply during the manufacturing process?

[@nickclark3861]

@@theSatoit is easy, that’s why it was done with qdoled and for someone like me and this creator, we were completely turned away from woled even if we prefer it solely because qd oled is the only one with a glossy option.

[@igeee9920]

So which is which? He’s wrong? Or that it’s up to the individual’s preference? If you’re calling him out saying he’s wrong, at least present to us how you objectively tested and not just voice out your opinion while some b roll is playing.

[@Davids6994]

Bro it's subjective but objective, you wouldn't get it. (Vegetable oil intensifies)

[@domosapien]

Optimum is wrong that matte is objectively better. Subjective isn't the argument here. Matte finishes have always had a single purpose - to diffuse light. Monitors are way more about just the finish though. Clarity, density, and saturation, and response rate are all factors to consider when you're spending the money you are to get into this market. If you're paying for the best quality, then you should get it. Here are some other examples: Its the same argument of RAW vs. in-body processed photos on a Canon R5 or a Sony A1. Your range of output is going to be way better with a little footwork on a RAW image than an in-body processed image. HOWEVER, it doesn't mean in-body processed images are useless, just not the best. How about a home theater setup? You can buy a a $350 surround sound kit and plug and play. Subjectively, it may work for some - probably even for most people, but the threshold isn't "It just works", the threshold is QUALITY. A $350 surround setup will never match the quality of a pricey receiver with some respectable speakers. The difference between monitors and my examples is that for monitors, you're generally pidgeon-holed into these awful finishes to ACQUIRE the other good qualities of the monitor with years of RnD meriting the price. You're not gonna find those same specs at $500 budget monitor prices. So, if you're stepping one, even two, calibers of quality higher, why should you be dealing with a factor that is the same quality of budget? It's pointless.

[@magnus69]

@@domosapien When did he say that matte is objectively better? In the video I watched atleast he compared them and said what he preferred(!) not what was better.

[@Think_1234]

I don't know how to measure it, but it is dead obvious when a person with normal vision looks at it. It's like everyone can distinguish square from circle.

[@Aquaquake]

Did you guys even watch the whole video? He explains from around 6th minute until the end why he thinks the matte finish is worse.

[@Savitarax]

I’ve owned both and white backgrounds are the worst on matte, THAT’S what I wish people would show. Optimum has a point when you are using more dynamic colors and situations. It’s a lot harder to tell.

[@califorupha1574]

Welcome back king process lasso

[@Smiley-zm1rp]

Yup that sum it up

[@mileskt9232]

Same experience

[@AlejandroMartinez-yv1gh]

Same here, I hate my LG oled 27” for that, it looks too dimm. My C1 is better overall. Hate my monitor so much

[@DGneoseeker1]

You shouldn't be using a white background on a OLED monitor. Enjoy your burn in.

[@blazdesigns8725]

Why not take some time to film additional shots or provide photos that showcase the "oily" coating from a more reasonable distance? The extreme closeups of the subpixels don't exactly show what one can expect sitting 40-60cm from the screen. Especially not to a consumer that's looking into getting their first OLED screen. Seems odd to have such a strong opinion on something that you create a follow up video, yet don't provide any useful photos or videos of the one thing you complain about all video.

[@PD-ws4td]

Because you will not be able to pick up on it on camera, you kinda have to be there in person...

[@blazdesigns8725]

@@PD-ws4td He makes it out to be unusable. In that case it should be visible on camera. Also, to me the subpixel photo on the left (matte) seems a lot more zoomed in than on the right, but feel free to correct me on that. Not at all saying I don't believe his statements just wondering why the video had such low effort put into it. It's basically 10 minutes of "guys, just trust me"

[@PD-ws4td]

@@blazdesigns8725 Yeah, but I believe when he said that (if?), he meant it in an exaggerated way. That being said, the images might be different in terms of zoom, but the point is that you cannot make out each individual pixels as you can with the qd-oled. No amount of zooming is going to fix that, and it will make a difference in the "haziness" of the image. There are a bunch of comparison videos you can look at that shows the difference a glossy screen can make compared to a matte, like the new Dough monitors. I haven't seen this matte finish for myself, so I cannot comment on whether it is as bad he makes it out to be, but a matte screen is a matte screen, and it will diffuse reflection and affect the overall clarity; it's all about by "how much".

[@InvalidDriver]

@@PD-ws4td So you won't be able to see a pixel on a QD-OLED without magnifying it with a camera.

[@CBourn48223]

@@blazdesigns8725 I can't stand matte finishes for the reasons he described. If you can't understand that then that's fine. I can't show you a video through my eyes so just buy your filthy matte and enjoy. I saw Optimums video and was convinced maybe it wasn't that bad, maybe i'll try it out. This video is for people like me so that i now know not to risk it. Optimum shows side by side comparisons and you can't tell from that so i don't know how you expect anyone to prove anything to you by any other means other than describing what they see.

[@band0lero]

I'll give my 2 cents. I'm no professional reviewer, but I really like monitors and I had the oportunity to test both the Glossy QD-OLED AW2725DF and the Matte WOLED LG 27GR95QE-B. I've seen them side by side only a few times, because I sold my LG before the AW arrived, but the buyer returned it so it came back to me and I could test it. From my VA LG Odyssey G7 to the LG 27GR95QE-B the clarity difference was INSANE, more than expected really. LG was so much clearer to me in motion that it wasn't even a competition at that point. After I got the LG, I started seeing more discussions surrounding the graininess of the matte coating. It didn't have an effect on my purchasing decision, but I decided to get the AW2725DF due to the warranty, mostly. I could see some artifacting on the LG, mostly the white and light greys looked like it the display had been toched by greasy hands, kinda like the rainbowy effect of a greasy screen mixed with a dirty screen effect, which bothered me a bit. It also didn't look as good as my LG C1, but that's on my living room so I couldn't compare them very well. Then I sold the LG display and got the AW2725DF and the difference was... not that big. I was expecting a night and day difference, some comments made it sound like the matte display was terrible and I just couldn't see it. But then again, it wasn't side by side, so I drew no conclusions. After the buyer returned my LG I was really anxious, it felt like I wouldn't ever be able to sell it due to the matte coating, the discussions were more and more prevalent, and it was supposedly so bad. After receiving the returned monitor, I put it side by side to the QD OLED, booted it up and it was... fine. The AW2725DF is a bit clearer, text looks better and there was no 'greasy screen' effect, so it was an improvement, but if I wasn't really looking for it I couldn't tell the difference that much. On actual content I'd say I couldn't tell them apart very well, other than the color calibration differences. Edit: LMAO I just watched Optimum's video and that's almost exactly what he says.

[@paranostrum]

yeah i mean, people are acting like the matt oleds are utter garbage and glossy oleds are peak picture quality, when in reality the difference is so small that most people wouldnt be able to even tell which one is which in a blind test. (in a light controlled room)

[@El_Deen]

Hi, I currently have the VA Samsung Oddysey g7 which has a mat finish. Where the hell do I look to see the noise? I can't see it. What do you prefer? of the 2 new ones you got? the LG or Alienware.

[@band0lero]

⁠@@El_Deen I never noticed the same noise on my G7. My guess is that the matte coating is much more aggressive on the LG. I have a zoomed photo of the G7’s subpixels and it looks nothing like LG’s. Of the 2 new ones I’d say the QD-OLED is the better buy, 360Hz + 3 year warranty + better text clarity and it is either the same price or only slightly more expensive than the LG. The downside is the ‘raised blacks’ on bright environments, but it never bothered me. Both on daytime which I have light coming from the side of the display and at night using a ceiling light. If the LG was significantly cheaper (20-25ish %) I’d say either would be fine.

[@DGneoseeker1]

@@band0lero Most of what I see online other than The Display Guy seems to be claiming the LG WOLED matte coating is MILDER than most.

[@PHYLOgg]

Glossy VS Matte; There is a difference but it's nowhere close to the difference like if we were to be coming from a VA, IPS, or TN panel. People try to make it sound like it's that big of a difference, but it really isn't. The only people that should really "Care" about this are those who reaaaaaaallllyyy just want the absolute BEST possible clarity for single player games, movies, tv shows, content creation, etc. I'll be fine with my matte 480hz WOLED in a few weeks, coming from IPS, and I can't wait.

[@Neonloverx]

im pretty sure his prespective comes from a more gaming/ competitive fps side of monitors. and in the end he isnt saying glossy is bad. he is saying matte isnt as bad as you think. and matte has other features that he likes which is his personal preference. so not sure why you need to make this video.

[@MGraversen]

Exactly! Optimum often focus on competitive FPS-gaming, and glossy coating does not only reflect light sources, but everything that is somewhat bright, and that will be distracting. You obviously want to avoid distractions when playing competitive games. It's such an obvious priority for many competitive gamers, that it will be a deal breaker.

[@puffyips]

^

[@user-vk9iq9ry1e]

Well he did say at the end the glossy "looks slightly better" but he prefer the LG is because it's dual mode ..

[@Melmav69]

the aorus one is dual mode now with glossy screen

[@FungBob-c2w]

@@Melmav69 which one?

[@SlampthChompth]

Lol it’s funny to see this back and forth. At this point I’m in a place where there’s zero way I’ll actually have any confidence one way or the other until I see it for myself. Period.

[@WatchVirtrinous]

Im feel exactly the same way (:

[@mrhappytroll]

yeah me too, I think im gonna pull the trigger and get the new OLED from pixio, because I have had great experiences with them so far. Spoke to customer service and they said it is a WOLED from LG, so I assume it's this same matte finish

[@sachak]

@@mrhappytroll go to a TV shop and bring a gaming laptop with you and plug into an LG Oled Tv and set to 4K @ 120hz and open some games, do some work, watch some youtube, put the laptop right next to it with its matt finish and compare the two. Your mind will be made up right there on the spot and you will never look back. Simple as that.

[@PannyLanny]

go to tech release events and check out both andd decide yourself. there may be shops which have sample of both glossy and matter, or mayeb cyber cafes with oled panels, these are some examples I can give. But yes, glossy will always look better to me, the only downside of qd oled I think is the purple tint which is not as bad as the film grain effect on matter oled. Take it thsi way, you are buying oled for utter clarity, then go glossy which boosts the clarity, not matte which reduces the clarity (its like a screenguard over a phone screen)

[@user-wm1tb7ji5t]

Is this really such a big dilema? qd oled offers you higher color saturation and its cheaper than lg, lg is great too and has its own strenghts but if you dont know what to choose then just go with safe option and pick qd oled

[@prithvib8662]

Ali from Optimum Tech: provides comparisons, measurements, and realistic comparison scenarios -> can't see a huge difference This fucking guy: "Trust me bro I swear to god it looks better bro seriously"

[@WrexBF]

Open your eyes. kzbin.infoUgkxhBgZ_bxX8HS9ivaJ6D5pMeRPfyyJ_0Dx?si=EWvB2wx0CjiVTzi0

[@prithvib8662]

@@nigelproctor that's the problem...nobody looks at the screen at that distance. Ali prefaced his statement with "unless you're an ant". At normal viewing distances, it's not apparent. Which is what Ali also measured.

[@BastianRosenmüller]

it is just preference. You like a matt finish more fine , but to say matt looks the same or the difference isnt much noticable is just plain wrong. I had both monitors a matt oled from LG and the Asus glossy WLOD monitor at home and i also saw the difference and its not small. The glossy Oled just has a much better clarity and sharpness and punchiness of the colors. So optimum is very wrong, even my mother saw the difference and prefered the image of the glossy monitor over the matt one. Maybe Optimum doesnt see it and for him it is not much of a difference and that is also fine, but he cant deny that objectively speaking , no matter how good a coating of a screen is , as long it diffuses reflections it will harm clearity and contrast . Its just how physics work. To say matt coating has as good image quality as glossy is the same wrong statement as if you would say reflections on a glossy are as good as on a matt monitor. But i see the point as optimum not really compared matt vs glossy. He essentially compared semi matt vs semi glossy which is not an ideal comparisson. Sure in this case it is obvious that there is not much of a difference. If he would compare a true glossy screen vs the semi matt he has tested the difference in image quality would become much more noticable.

[@caldweab]

Or hear me out, this is just his opinion.

[@andrewmorris3479]

What happens to white colors with the matte finish isn’t and somehow Ali has failed to address this.

[@NexGenTek]

Hear me out, a lot of people use these opinions for purchases so..

[@randomname2914]

Not about opinions u weirdo

[@eando97]

@@NexGenTekRight, but anyone that watches tech videos should know that each person can only state the general facts and their opinions/experience with them. They can then take that input and make a decision (after ideally watching multiple videos from different people). The responsibility of purchasing and deciding on a product still falls upon the purchaser. I could go on a nonsensical rant for hours about how water is bad for you but it’s up to the viewers to do further research or agree/disagree

[@tburka91]

@@NexGenTekso you’ll just blindly buy something because this dumbass tell you too. A monitor is literally personal preference, with how many that are coming out I wouldn’t even listen to these idiots without seeing it for myself.

[@GubiYoroi]

man i dont know what to do with picking ether glossy or matte since i like playing with lights on not off and im looking for monitor for single player and let me see way better at dark scene or areas and amazing colors plus i have light behind my gaming setup maybe get used to playing in the dark !?

[@AFpaleoCon]

But you didn’t show in this video the side by side and point out the issue. I don’t know what I’m looking at.

[@Ken-io9sl]

because he didn't even own the new LG monitor when he posted this.

[@IstyManame]

Opinion is always appreciated but brother if you're responding to a factual video with a couple of extreme closeups and "uhh i can see the oil" it doesn't make it easy to believe, and i consider myself a very open-minded person

[@PedroS-ig1wr]

Yeah sure, coming from the same guy that made a video saying Mouse 4000hz/8000hz polling rate is not noticeable compared to 1000hz... I mean... what´s his credibility? Zero to me, everyone can notice a difference on 360hz when you use 1000hz vs 4000hz, it´s night and day. His videos are very well produced but his content is not that good or scientific. He even prefers to play 480hz on a 32 inch 1080p, I mean wtf is he doing. Just a casual gamer, that´s all

[@tomgreene5388]

can you not tell the difference when a regular picture is shown? maybe people really can just perceive things at different levels but i also think the matte screens on the lg oleds look really bad. like if the subpixel zoomed in picture looks that bad and oily, you really think thats not going to show up at all in normal use?

[@vyor8837]

@@tomgreene5388 yes, it isn't going to show up in normal use because human eyesight works off averages, not raw input.

[@tomgreene5388]

@@vyor8837 but it does show up in normal use, thats what im saying. i just think some people don't perceive it just like how some people are less sensitive to higher refresh rates.

[@maozedowner5915]

@@PedroS-ig1wrAre you a FPS wizard or something? I can't even tell the difference between 500hz and 1000hz on my PAW3395 mouse and I have 700 average damage / 1.9KD in Apex Legends, which is like top 5% player base.

[@Itsyourboyzo]

OLED Matte isnt bad bro it’s your opinion I loved my LG 27 inch OLED and I love glossy as well! Bashing is crazy and like one of the comments say in here you have to show and prove not just have b roll of footage… tbh glossy might be a bit brighter that’s all but something about the Matte OLEDs are still very good quality and glossy is as well tbh I think it’s preference I don’t think no OLED finish is bad OLED makes any panel better period.

[@PD-ws4td]

You should make a comparison video where you show two WOLED monitors from LG (preferably two of the same) where one has the anti-glare coating removed or buffed out.

[@thedisplayguy]

I have.

[@PD-ws4td]

@@thedisplayguy oh fr? I gotta check that out

[@johnnycash8447]

@@thedisplayguy whats it caled, dont see it

[@YuuToobz]

@@thedisplayguy Where

[@Dubulcle]

​@@thedisplayguyliar

[@antyxwg]

Honestly I was originally gonna give you the benefit of the doubt, but that last bit is really making me question whether you really do mind matte that much or if you’re just engagement farming. Sure, clarity is different and it clearly bothers you, and there was something about the reflections that was stated to be subjective. Also, the contrast is likely worse for matte displays. Is that your major argument? Seems like not much to go off of to say that yes, Optimum Tech is clearly wrong. Especially since your biggest point was that the LG matte pixels were grainy enough for you to be constantly distracted, which is something that other people may not see, not care about, or be able to easily ignore. So, what have you proven? That glossy displays are clearly superior? No, especially if you’re just talking about displays as a whole, you’ve just proven that it is subjective whether matte or glossy displays are better. So is Optimum Tech wrong? Maybe, about his specific monitor, and from your perspective. Honestly you haven’t given me much to think about, just that you’re upset that Optimum Tech is fine with the grainy LG display that he uses and you want to advocate for more glossy display options. Good for you, I guess, and everybody else that loves glossy displays as much as you. I use a glossy display myself, but I can’t really side with you on this one, as you’ve not really proven how wrong Optimum Tech is in this case. Also, you’re welcome for contributing to your engagement farming.

[@cablesalad3168]

Matte screens look like you're looking outside through grandma's ancient yellowed curtains.

[@cezz1105]

Lol

[@nhbjhbbhbhgvb]

I love watching both of yours and optimums videos. I respect both of you, and I have to say this discussion optimum very clearly displays two screens side-by-side while he is saying that the Mat versus glossy doesn’t make that big of a difference to him. he is proving that with the side-by-side comparison and I agree what he is showing me on screen looks like it doesn’t matter. You say you strongly disagree with him and talk about how terribly distracting the grain is but you are just making claims without actually showing us so until I see a side-by-side comparison from you where I can clearly see how bad the clarity is, I have to trust him more on this one.

[@switterbeet]

Tbf hes comparing to a semi glossy monitor not a full glossy

[@Dubulcle]

​​@@switterbeetThe LG is also semi matte, not full matte.

[@77_ACE.]

​@@Dubulcleso he compared to semi gloss screens lmao

[@BlackPando1]

it seems like you watched 1 minute of Optimum's video got instantly triggered, disliked and made a "you're wrong" video, almost everything you talked about Optimum addressed in his video and he said glossy is better but in his opinion he prefers the matte because it looks better TO HIM, just chill out bro his video won't ruin the industry or whatever y'all would kill each other for

[@sixthsenseasian]

Make all the monitor companies only produce matte monitors to the point he just gives up reviewing monitors because they look so disgusting to him. Then once he's done creating content release glossy monitors again. ez

[@nubcuk]

He says that he respects his opinion and in the next sentence he brings up some other dudes and subliminally shits on his opinion. This is so petty. Just let it go dude. There are so many people who actually prefer matte over glossy as well. Let them have their W.

[@Kmaitland89]

I think the point off the video wasn't that one was better or worse, simply that the matte isn't the matte people think it is and that it may be more about preference. I actually kind of like that grain look. Also, I have the c2 OLED and bro, in the middle of the day I can't see shit on it do to reflections.

[@maozedowner5915]

You keep saying it looks awful, but you don't ever show any direct image comparison as to why, other than to do pixel peeping which Optimum DID and clearly stated "that's not what you see in real life". Optimum DID provide image comparison of actual real life condition by shifting the focus of the pixel peeping camera, that showed another comparison image showing QD OLED's sub pixel layout causes fringing which looks WORSE. How about you counter that statement and show other image to prove that statement is wrong? I'm not hating on you. I truly want to get more information about this.

[@thedisplayguy]

The grain can’t be captured on camera because of the lines on the display when the focus is set correctly. The only way to capture it is to show the subpixels.

[@maozedowner5915]

@@thedisplayguyOptimum DID show it on camera, both pixel peeping level and none pixel peeping level. Since you're very confident that he's wrong, maybe you should explain why he's wrong and how the comparison method in Optimum's video is flawed, in your video? I'd really really love to watch the video.

[@Kevin-mx4vm]

Are we comparing matte vs glossy or woled vs qdoled

[@thedisplayguy]

No he didn’t show the grain on camera in the scene you are referring to. Like I said. The only way to show it is to show the subpixels.

[@RiceCubeTech]

@@maozedowner5915it’s inherently flawed. The video title was about finish, then he compared two panels with two different finishes, but also with different sub pixel layouts, different technology, and different color calibration lol. Taking one look at the comparison images the whites look completely different. You can’t make a video about finishes with two different types of oled. That’s not how the scientific method works 😂

[@Garrett1974]

I had the Samsung G8 Neo (4k 240Hz VA) and that's really matte, but it was a non-issue for me. So I assume I'm not the guy who cares about it, so I wouldn't be bothered by the LG WOLED screen coating. Others may be though...

[@breeminator]

My eyesight is good enough that I can clearly see a single pixel black line on a 4k 27" monitor from 20 feet away, but every monitor I have is matte and I can't see any of the problems you see. If I take a photo with a macro lens, the tiny amount of blur isn't even enough to stop me seeing the sub-pixels, and I don't understand why anyone wants to be able to see the sub-pixels on their screen. If they abandoned matte as you are asking them to, I wouldn't be able to buy another monitor as I can't stand my monitor looking like a mirror (I once bought a laptop with a glossy screen without realising how bad an idea that was). So please stop asking them to abandon matte finishes, and instead just ask for the option of glossy. You're not happy with not being given the option of glossy, but you'd be happy for people who want matte to have that option taken away?

[@jeffff776]

when dude comes out of nowhere calling himself THE display guy, clicking and watching confirms my assumptions

[@HardwareFan]

i hate qd oled panels because the Color fringes, a lot of people cant see it, i can. I think it's the same as glossy or matt, it bothers some people and doesn't bother others

[@rafatorr407]

It bothers me...

[@Raynhardx]

We don't live in a world of the perfect display technology without any limitations. Given budget, you have to make compromises. So you have to assemble a list of what is important to you and sort them from most to least important. And believe it or not, but there are people (count me or optimum tech in) where high contrast and deepest black levels are not on place 1 of that list. E.g. you may prefer sitting in a bright lit room, so pretty high on the list would be "I don't want to look into a mirror while gaming". Where as if you like sitting in a dim or dark room, the monitor being a mirror wouldn't matter to you at all.

[@busterswordslash]

I watched another reviewer tech chap review the matte lg first and then the glossy asus panel and he preferred the glossy option as well. Pretty sure that’s the right answer.

[@shadaoshai]

@@busterswordslash There is not a right answer. Choose whatever works best for you.

[@Skylancer727]

If deep blacks aren't your highest priority, then why are you looking at OLED displays? You can buy a FAL LCD for half the price of the OLED displays with twice to four times the brightness. The benefit of OLED has always mainly been the contrast, but if the contrast doesn't matter to you, why do you want an OLED display then? The only other reasons are lack of inverse ghosting, but if you're in the market for 240hz displays you're already going to be fine, and the same for input lag. I mean this is the same point why some still bought CRTs and plasma while many just bought LCDs. The LCDs are cheaper and get most of the quality of those while still being brighter. The same is true today.

[@shadaoshai]

@@Skylancer727 The blacks are still blacker than any LCD and are still blacker than a QD Oled with any amount of ambient light in the room. I don’t keep my PC room dark so I think WOLED is right for me. But if I did like playing in a dark room QD Oled would definitely be the way to go.

[@Skylancer727]

@shadaoshai I find that highly questionable. I have an old FAL LCD and to me the blacks look basically identical, the only difference is the bloom around small objects but in a bright room where the coating reflects light back at me I can't even see it. It's why demonstrations of OLED vs FAL are nearly always done in the dark. If your display raises the blacks you can't see that bloom. Plus if you're display has enough LEDs that bloom may still be identical to OLED. Our eyes naturally have a bloom from the light not entering our eyes perfectly. So even if you still noticed the backlight in a bright room, you likely still wouldn't notice the difference. The main place I see the difference is just night skies in videos and games.

[@noidsuper]

I just wish they gave us the option. I really dislike raised blacks, but matte looks so bad to me that I don’t have a choice but to bite the QD-OLED bullet.

[@silverphoenix9377]

i have only LG monitors, and only one OLED with it being an LG CX. what i want out of an oled monitor is to look like my CX, but be 32inches. If we don't get that, it's a disappointment IMO.

[@emiel255]

I agree with you. Just give us the option to choose between matte and glossy. Some people just need one or the other and now because of this a company forces you too completely overlook the monitor because it doesn’t suit your needs even though it’s has perfect specs

[@user-wm1tb7ji5t]

"Bullet" lmfao, if this is bullet for you then why do you even want to buy that display? Save yourself a money

[@JohnSmith-ro8hk]

@@user-wm1tb7ji5t first world problems

[@paul2609]

@@user-wm1tb7ji5t Can't wait until next year when LG finally do a glossy option

[@SinnfullDuck]

I'm in the market for a new monitor right now and I can't decide what I wanna get. I think I want a 42-43" but I'm worried about burn in on oled so I'm considering mini led as well. I spend a lot of time 6-8hrs per day at my computer between photoshop work and playing games. My problem is that I can't find any decent mini led monitors in that size. Am I crazy for worrying about burn in, or does anyone have any suggestions for mini led? I'm not a pro gamer so maybe even a good mini led tv might work?

[@macdon2351]

Many people don't have a light controlled room and need to use their monitors during the day. Siding with optimum on this one.

[@Neeeeeeeeeto]

i find funny to see rich people saying that something is "impossible to use" or "horrible" while this is one of these high end stuff and i have a low/mid end stuff that is also much worse than the one roasted

[@bunghuls]

Matte doesn’t look bad……. Until you have a white or light colored background…….. then it just looks like you sprayed Pam all over your screen

[@therinwhitten]

That I have seen before, but It would have to be a very very low quality and heavy matte finish. But yeah lmao I agree completely. I am surprised these matte finishes make it through the R and D process with approval.

[@Igor69420]

In every clip where he compared the two monitors they both look the exact same to me maybe its just KZbin compression but they both look identical

[@ACRBARF2]

This is an L take bro. He was more saying its not as bad as what people say. And gave good reasons as to why. Your just arguing for the sake of it at this point

[@naoltitude9516]

yikes

[@puffyips]

Literally

[@Ziyoblader]

The display guy / graphically challenged can't accept somebody else's opinion in desperately wants to take it and shove it into the ground and yell at the top of his lungs so no one else here's the other opinion but his own

[@Kingepticon]

It is as bad as people say. If you live near a Microcenter, next time you're in there walk through the monitor area and with just a glance you can tell which monitors are matte and which ones are glossy. It's instantly noticeable.

[@ACRBARF2]

@Kingepticon it's not about that 😞, it's about how it doesn't bother optimum. I work at an electronic store man I know what they look like 😭.

[@TheBrandonAF]

Do QD OLED Monitors have the same finish as glossy QD OLED TV's? I'm with Display Guy here, my matte finish LG 27 inch 240hz WOLED is not even close to being as good as my glossy LG WOLED TV. How people can't see the difference between matte and glossy has me convinced there is just something wrong with their eyes. I had a glossy VA Samsung panel that was absolutely horrible but highly reviewed and I can see how people would prefer matte OLED over that glossy finish though. I think I speak for EVERYONE that prefers a glossy panel, we want the exact same glossy panel finish that our LG OLED TV have but with 240hz lol. It's that simple.

[@andrewmorris3479]

I agree. The QD-OLED monitors are semi-glossy and not as mirror like as the QD-OLED TV’s but definitely good enough.

[@KidFrom106]

Fully Glossy is definitely better especially for an OLED screen I had a matte screen for years bought a G8 Oled last year will never go back to matte again

[@Thunderstyle7]

Doesn't any kind of light absolutely RUIN glossy monitors though?

[@paul2609]

@@Thunderstyle7 Not if you control the lighting?

[@switterbeet]

@@paul2609 you mean not when you shut down all windows all day and live like a creep

[@jonathanplesel]

Does anyone know the reference of the screen on the left at 3:31 ? Thank you

[@arondyte318]

I still think the best way to go is to have both matte and glossy options for the consumer with no price difference. Personally I prefer going glossy with my OLED TVs because I sit more far away and they are usually set-up in a light controlled environment while I prefer matte OLEDs for my monitors because I can happily use it without issue in any lighting condition (I find glossy reflections incredibly distracting) but that's just my personal preference.

[@XeqtrM1]

I mean if you can't control light conditions you shouldn't get OLED I'n first place since OLED r ment for dark environment after all

[@arondyte318]

@@XeqtrM1 I chose OLED because I prefer gaming on them and I game regardless if it’s a bright or a dark room, day or night and having a matte display grants me that versatility with little to no issue.

[@thediscobiscuit3]

@@XeqtrM1 Horrible take? What's wrong with getting a matte OLED if you have to play in a bright room?

[@sergiopablo6555]

We need to push for glossy panels with front glass, just like the iMac 5K or the Studio Display. When you compare any matte monitor next to one of those displays, the difference in sharpness and clarity is so stark, any discussion on this matter would be over immediately.

[@NexGenTek]

True but you’re matte lovers will say no

[@QQvist]

For me the main concern is performance in FPS-games and Optimum speaks to me because he reviews displays, mouses, keyboards, and so on, with competitive FPS-games in mind. You can have whatever opinion you want but for me as a viewer it's important that you make your standpoint clear - are you looking for a display that's great for work, games, watching a movie, etc.? In my opinion Optimum isn't wrong - because his standpoint is competitive FPS-games.

[@ADHDAimbotYT]

Is it true that W-OLED Is the better type for reflections? I have a lot of natural light in my room and I hate seeing reflections compared to my TN BenQ. Is this an issue with OLED in general, or is there a high refresh OLED that wont reflect my hairy chest and unshaven face right back into my eye sockets? Thanks!

[@thejosedrive]

Damn you were quick to respond .

[@earnwhileucan6931]

samsung got him under their arms :D

[@epiccontrolzx2291]

@@earnwhileucan6931 that's funny to say since he just put out a video ranting and trashing Samsung for putting a matte coating on their new S95D tv

[@touristhawk]

​@@earnwhileucan6931 subject is not oled or qd oled 🧐its about monitor manufacturers which do stupid decisions.

[@prithvib8662]

but slow to think apparently

[@Citizenflaba]

Either these guys are blind or they are somehow financially benefiting. There really is no excuse for a thousand plus display with a limited lifespan like OLED to compromise on something as important as the LITERAL DISPLAY

[@ytpr9420]

Optimum’s video was directed at two specific monitors. His video wasnt meant to address glossy vs matte for all monitors. So, with that in mind, this video isnt actually responsive to Optimum’s video about the specific LG and ROG OLED monitors he compared

[@Citizenflaba]

Lets be even fairer then, virtually no one in optimums audience and virtually no reviewer can call his bluff because they in all likelihood do not have these multi thousand dollar displays to compare side by side. What he’s saying can’t be refuted but it also can’t be peer reviewed. Sure it’s a problem with the industry, but if just like in the scientific community if you’re going to come out of the gate with such a paradigm shift of a claim that glossy can be worse than matte, you’d need another creator to lend their opinion or have a blind test with gamers/non gamers giving their opinions. Optimums 6 minute video is so short and such a bombastic claim with no evidence other than his own opinion that no one who respects empirical evidence would take this seriously and Optimum should expect significant pushback regardless of the limited scope of his claim. The fact he didn’t think this looks like him potentially advertising for LG is strange, if I were him I wouldn’t be so flippant making claims without significant backing, but there he went making a 6 minute video

[@Donni_10]

His video compare two monitors but he is using the matte vs glassy as a whole.

[@AntonioDal.]

Any monitor recommendation for me? Or should I wait a bit more? - I want ~32" OLED with 200hz+ refreshrate at 4K - Something like dual mode which allows me to switch to 1080p (even better if 1440p was possible) - I will use it in a room with plenty of ambient light.

[@motondska]

This might not be the hill you think it is. It's understandable that someone doesn't like matte, and someone else doesn't like glossy. But to tell everyone else they are wrong and calling it harmful, is selfish thinking.

[@chadwolf3840]

I think he’s referring to image quality, and if you don’t think that overall image quality is better on glossy, then you haven’t done enough research on the topic. The matte finish overlays junk over the pixels and makes it worse. It’s true people can like objectively less accurate and worse images, but that doesn’t make that person the license to run and and say that his worse image is better.

[@motondska]

@@chadwolf3840I think you meant to say matte? You are misunderstanding what I said. I prefer glossy, matte isn't as bad as he's making it out to be though. I have a CX 48, the new mag 32, and the innocn 15" OLED screens, all glossy but because I have a light controlled room. I have other rooms where these screens are terrible due to how distracting the reflections are, thus using matte finish screens. He implies matte as some sort of abomination, and goes overboard. This is poor consumer advice as some people are better off with matte, and it's not the end of the world for most people.

[@ajose223w3]

So what are some good budget glossy monitors? I understand it’ll cost just not looking for a $1000 monitor

[@nicktan4530]

Glossy is always superior, period regardless whether LCD and OLED. LCD matte make sense even for editing or multimedia. But still good to have option between matte and gloss regardless of panel technology. For me personally, while I prefer gloss, I pick matte QLED via Samsung G8 for my own personal reasoning.

[@trunks0112000]

How do u buff this off?

[@AnSonCZE]

Hey man, he didnt say that all matte monitors look better. Just that specific LG monitor looks same as glossy one. Did you even see his video?

[@thedisplayguy]

It absolutely looks nowhere near as good. I had hands on time with it. It looks BAD.

[@20puskinas1992]

Seriously? You believe in santa Claus too?

[@jrlivingspaces]

lol “the same” maybe he forgot his contacts but I agree with @thedisplayguy glossy is way clearer than matte hands down unless you’re sitting like 15 feet away or something and in a complete dark room maybe

[@greenteaenjoyer9068]

His video title is literally "Matte vs. Glossy" without specific models or brands in the title. Its his fault for doing that and only comparing two models. You cant come to general conclusions just by comparing two models

[@jrlivingspaces]

@@greenteaenjoyer9068 lol no all he’s trying to do is highlight how glossy is objectively sharper than matte and if you want matte screens for work just go to staples and buy one leave oled gaming monitors alone

[@ownagebox]

nobody sits in a light controlled both the hole day for the first. 2nd for real world use its only one question to ask, do i want to look at the screen or do want to look a my sweaty face and observe the background the hole time as soon i get some darker images? i get it glossy looks ofc better but only if you sit in a blacked out room with no chance of reflecting. As soon it gets a touch brighter in the room you start seeing everything behind you like in a mirror, idk but that more irritating to me then the better image quality.

[@Xxav88]

Instead of hypothetically talking about how terrible the coating is on the monitor, why don’t you buy it and do a direct comparison yourself?

[@thedisplayguy]

I have already had hands on.

[@Xxav88]

@@thedisplayguy yeah at CES, right? I think comparing it side by side in the same lighting as he did would probably be beneficial in forming an opinion.

[@xchillkillx]

Are you still gonna review the lg 32gs95ue and the 27 inch 480hz version anyway tho?

[@HolloVVpoint]

Glossy all the way, who the hell prefers matte finishing? It washes out the colours and adds a grain. Maybe in the future the tech will change and we can have the best of both worlds, but for these kinds of monitors no one has it facing a window for us to really need it.

[@Kikusk0]

Tbh I still don't know which one to chose I don't want QD OLED for the raising black level issue but at the same time I'm scared of the matte coating. I guess I'll just wait till end of the year or whole another year and chose then. (And yeah I don't want to do compromise OLEDs are expensive and have burn in issue so I want to chose panel that will be perfect for me)

[@張彥暉-v8p]

The actual important thing is: Will your brain affect by clear reflection? If yes, go fo matte. If no, go for glossy. It is that simple. You can just use your phone to watch some dark content to see which kind of brain you have.

[@WrexBF]

Wait for a glossy WOLED.

[@patrikmedia]

how about you actually review it yourself and do a detailed side-by-side comparison instead of comparing it to (a probably time limited) hands-on experience with the panel from a couple months ago? hard to take your word over someone who actually can use and test the panels at the same time and not rely on a recent memory/observation that probably got skewed over the course of weeks/months. A lot of other LG reviewers felt the same way as Optimum did with the conclusion of clarity being fine. I personally use a QD-OLED and a matte IPS screen at the moment, and the lifted black levels are 10x as much of an issue than the "grainy" look.

[@thedisplayguy]

I’ve very recently reviewed a 2024 matte LG OLED right next to a glossy QD OLED in addition to my hands on with the 32”. The matte looks awful. I plan on reviewing the 32” soon, but it’s not going to be a good review.

[@Delanchet]

Even if he did review the monitor, we already know what he would say about it...

[@soldier555555]

​@@Delanchet I feel he is being way too hyperbolic to have any credibility in a review. Other reviewers have said it's fine or even preferred it over the QDs. Some said they didn't like it. But him saying it's absolutely terrible is way over the top.

[@chadwolf3840]

@@soldier555555in a relative sense, he’s right.

[@Hybred]

I honestly don't blame his conclusion. Like he said he preferred glossy in the past, the reason why it's not that important in this scenario is because QD-OLED is using a a weird glossy coating thing that doesn't look that good compared to the OLED TVs. Whereas the matte coating on the OLED monitors is better than most we've seen. So you're basically comparing a good matte coating vs a bad glossy coating, so the gap gets narrows.

[@pirx9798]

1:35 exactly this. It's not about whining about a certain model. Just get another, done. It's about trends in the monitor industry. If you dont voice your opinion, you get stuck with matte because everyone thinks they're fine. You can control your ambient light but you can't un-matte a screen (easily). Now this LG model certainly has potential due to its 1 click 480 hz mode, as Optimum says, so this decision to make it matte is even more regrettable.

[@jrlivingspaces]

Exactly all of LGs new monitor line ups have matte displays and it just sucks because they look like incredible monitors (size, aspect rations and frequencies) I don’t understand why they think people would buy a gaming monitor to put it in their cubicle downtown

[@張彥暉-v8p]

As long as the room isn't in pitch black, glossy's reflection fucks up my brain and make me unable to focus on the content in darker scene. Ig I can't un-fuck up my brain unless I do the "light control" aka live in a cave without any light lol. What I want to say is a lot of people's brain can't deal with the clear reflection that glossy screen produce. For those people including me, a slightly grainier look and raise black is way better than a content affecting mirror.

[@jrlivingspaces]

@@張彥暉-v8p so stop trying to work on an oled gaming monitor go to staples and get a cheap matte monitor for work leave Oled gaming monitors for clear dark room gaming stop trying to deny glossy is objectively sharper than matte

[@vextakes]

Would've been really great to label the monitors in the side-by-sides, I literally can't tell full screened on a 1440p monitor. I agree generally with the points though

[@XeqtrM1]

After seeing glossy and matte side by side in person it's definitely glossy it just looks so much better

[@Ratbane]

Agreed.

[@Franek_Kimono666]

I am scared to buy glossy because of reflections. I like to have some light in my room and from what I understand glossy is only for ppl who sit in total dark.

[@vsRaiden]

Well, that is pretty much the output for most people .... that has that chance to compared side by side, and THAT IS the problem, most of internet audience, have a preference but not based on a real life test few hours/days spent with a matte AND glossy monitor reference, so they can actually have a real opinion. Its just crazy to me, how people cheer Apple monitors for being good looking and somehow we call ignore or forget that those are glossy panels.

[@張彥暉-v8p]

@@Franek_Kimono666 Glossy makes dark scene unwatchable for me in any lit environment , so I can't really appreciate the "excellent" image quality glossy screen provide. But that is just how my brain works, you need to see that in person to decide.

[@張彥暉-v8p]

@@vsRaiden Maybe because the people who praise apple monitors and the people who hate glossy monitors are different group of people?

[@benknapp3787]

What is your opinion on the Dough Spectrum Black 32 with the Gorilla Glass coating? I'm pulling the trigger on something this month. Has to be a 32 inch 4K 240hz OLED with a dual 480hz mode.

[@stanislasflipo7214]

the display guy having complete meltdowns over coatings never ceases to make my day. Being tottally OCD myself, I 100% get it.

[@andremelandray7102]

Does this also apply to tv's ? like semi gloss vs glossy?

[@S3lvah]

I believe the _vs_ debate misses the point that people should have an option. It shouldn't be that hard for LG Display to provide customers the choice between glossy and matte. Clearly, they are capable of both, given their OLED TVs. Right now, you have to pick 2 out of MLA, glossy and monitor-sized panel. Having all 3 (with actual TV-level brightness) would make a banger of a product.

[@definingslawek4731]

Well said at the end.

[@jezs1346]

I work with two monitors, glossy and matte. Prefer glossy, but very hard to find a decent one.

[@WizZarDz0rrrr]

you need to back it up with some real comparison wtf

[@WrexBF]

The clarity difference is very obvious even in that optimuntech video kzbin.infoUgkxhBgZ_bxX8HS9ivaJ6D5pMeRPfyyJ_0Dx?si=EWvB2wx0CjiVTzi0

[@alexwimsatt9527]

Thanks for your take. I watched Optimum's video a month ago and just did not agree with him. I have an LG C1 tv that looks amazing and when I got my LG 27GR95QE I was disappointed. I have had it for 6 months now and still get bothered by the lack of clarity and low brightness. After his video, I thought it must just be due to the 1440p resolution, but now after seeing your video I might give 1440p glossy a chance if a good one comes out. Do you notice a big difference between 1440p oled vs 4K?

[@UrdnotBrex]

Ain’t no way people are going after my boy Optimum. He’s far more thorough than this dude, and he didn’t have any bias but rather show that people worry way too much about gloss vs matte. It’s all preference, as Optimum stated.

[@thedisplayguy]

If you’ve seen my latest reviews you would know that they are some of the most thorough reviews on KZbin when it comes to monitors. Whether you like them is preference, but the data and analysis is the some of the best you will find.

[@doobi3883]

Clarity is not preference. When I play bright games with a lot of white like on TOTK islands on my lg oled 27gr95qb, the grain and clarity are just awful, to the point where the retailer where I bought it thought it was a malfunctionning monitor. The problem with optimus tech video is that he's comparing 2 different technology with 2 different coating, and not necessarly in all the conditions where we can see the difference (just see how in a single color picture/bright picture with a lot of white, matte coating "grain" will be far more noticeable, also he didn't try black text on white background, and I am sure the difference could be more noticable than the contrary) and I'm sure that if there was woled glossy or qd oled matte we'd definitely see the difference. For now, the only perfect screens that doesn't have chromatic aberrations, pink tint, grain are woled tvs, and still they have a decent amount of reflections... we'll have to wait more for this to arrive in a monitor format. (I think the ideal would be like the S24 ultra coating)

[@UrdnotBrex]

I saw your fairly glowing preview of the LG at CES with the mention of "ultimate gaming monitor" but you 180'd on it with a later video which I don't fully understand. From a viewer I think you're way too hyperbolic and inconsistent in terms of what to be excited for with the glossy QD OLED monitor hype. When you ended up using a TV as your main display. You have influence on peoples purchasing decisions and your bias could keep them from even considering a monitor that best suits their needs just because of a screens finish. @@thedisplayguy

[@UrdnotBrex]

I feel like with the testing Optimum has done if the whites were anything to note he would have, but thats entirely an assumption. Of my three OLED Tvs, my LGs white uniformity are perfect, but my Sony OLED is quite bad. Lots of banding and skies in games look awful. I feel a lot of the dirty screen effect has more to do with panel lottery than coating but, Im no expert. But again, my main gripe is people should have options and we do. Only having glossy panels to choose from would suck for those who don't have light controlled rooms. @@doobi3883

[@phizix215]

There is zero point to debating something like this. No one is wrong. It's literally a matter of personal preference. Of course you can get super nitpicky digging into fine details, but at the end of the day, we're not sitting there staring and looking for minor imperfections. We're doing work or enjoying ourselves playing some games. They both look great when you stop thinking about it and enjoy it. I'm def #TeamMatte though. The less glare the better.

[@ThreaT650]

I like Optimum's content but I agree with you. The hate in the comment section by like die hard fans is just weird. People are acting like this was a hit piece.

[@Flexium_GG]

So is there a glossy OLED 4k 240hz 34/39 inch out there? If not, if I had to pick between 1440p OLED vs 4k non-OLED, which should I go for?

[@MistyKathrine]

B&H Photo is taking preorders for the Dough Spectrum 32'' 4k 240hz Gorilla Glass OLED, it's supposed to be coming out in June. B&H wont charge you until it ships, so you wont have to worry if Dough drops the ball. If it actually comes out in June like it's supposed to, that should be the best 4k OLED display.

[@Maisonier]

If you really care about image quality in an uncontrolled environment, such as any common human room where ambient light can vary, the matte screen is the way to go. The glossy one is impossible to use if there's any window, light source, or reflective object nearby. It's worth it only in a special case. It's incredible that people complain about matte screens existing when the majority are glossy.

[@KylePandapatan]

It’s been my experience since childhood too. Glossy screens drove me insane because any light source (like our overhead ceiling lights) would reflect and block our view of screen elements. I also got more eyestrain. Whatever diffusion Matte had, I could see the whole screen. It’s far less distracting. I don’t know why but on matte my eyestrain is far less. I can use a matte screen for 12-16 hours (if necessary) and not suffer as much. The colors don’t “pop” as much on matte vs glossy, which I find helps with screen addiction too. Not sure if vision affects this. I have astimagtism and nearsightedness now at 25 to 30 years old. But when I was 5 to 20+, I had 20/20 vision.

[@sudd3660]

can we just get a standardized way to capture the grainy look on from a camera picture. i have the last year woled 1440p 240hz, LG panel and that one has some issues, maybe the micro lens array and the anti glare coating on top of the dirty screen effect from the pixel brightness. it is not horrible but i miss the clarity of my ips. optimum did captures some images, and none of it showed up on that.

[@DrakonR]

A few of those channels are already shilling the matte coating on the new S95D. If TVs go matte, I'm out.

[@TheRikuideFurame]

And yet, it's so clear to me even in Samsung's own showcase footage that the S95D is losing key detail vs the S95C. I initially thought they'd just gone overkill on brightness then found out about the new coating.

[@thedisplayguy]

The S95D looks terrible. I cant believe people are even suggesting it for purchase.

[@jonsatvoutdoorchannel6686]

@@thedisplayguy If you were to decide between the S90D/S95C vs the G4 what would be your pick?

[@thedisplayguy]

I’m reviewing the G4 soon. Then I will know.

[@DrakonR]

@@thedisplayguy maybe they have extra stock of the S90D they need to get rid of? Lol. But then it sounds like panel lottery. Seriously Samsung, wtf are you doing?

[@_fatalruin]

Can you show them next to each other (not the macro shot which you won't see in person). Unrelated B role you use in every video doesn't help me much in this scenario.

[@Dragostream]

Last year I bought this ROG Swift OLED PG27AQDM monitor and sold it because the MATTE finish was so oily and unclear that it hurt my eyes. Hoping that this year LG understood their mistakes by making all panels Glossy or at least giving the possibility of choosing the finish. Well, in the end, I got this qdoled Asus ROG Swift OLED PG32UCDM monitor because it's one of the few with a SemiGlossy finish. Why should I get a 4k that has the clarity of a 1080p??? MATTE is bad! 100% AGREE WITH YOU DISPLAYGUY!!

[@Keltzzzz]

Gett Dough Gorilla glass if you can put up with the slow osd..returning my 27 and waiting on the 32 inch Dough Gorilla Glass.

[@Dragostream]

@@Keltzzzz too scared by that company past

[@johnnybeta8572]

hey im about to buy a new oled 1440p monitor. Can you suggest a best monitor up to 1k ? I mainly game and work in my pc

[@Eskoxo]

That's exactly the problem "review displays for a living" and I use oled displays for work and in a normal lit room matte display is just hands down better my glossy ones even reflect crap like rgb keyboard its plain annoying but yeah just use what you think is best it's just a bit annoying always listening to glossy display gospel.

[@yingdoge9228]

For Nvidia RTX HDR, why time 0.22 to middle grey?

[@edgarcmtz]

Having used the glossy LG utrafine monitors from apple for 5 years i can confirm that glossy is nice but it is not worth an entite cult fanbase over. No one outside of dough/eve or apple puts out glossy screens for good reason. No one but a small (overly vocal) minority cares about it. If it was that critical, the dough and apple monitors would have been flying off the shelves and would cost 10X as much.

[@jrlivingspaces]

More and more manufacturers are producing glossy finishes starting with LG for their TVs at least have you been living under a matte rock?

[@danieldelgado2790]

@@jrlivingspacesin tvs yea. Not in monitors. Majority of monitors are matte coating still. And he is right, most of the customers walking into the store I work at don’t want to pay the ridiculous price that glossy monitors offer. Just an extremely small minority

[@jrlivingspaces]

@@danieldelgado2790 depends on your store location but my store they're constantly sold out

[@ArthurMelo-r3r]

Are you serious? He just made a side-by-side comparison. He even explained that matte, like the one LG is using, it's not the same matte that we are used to.

[@thedisplayguy]

Yeah it’s not the same. It’s worse. Way worse. The grain is very intense even compared to most other matte coatings in my opinion.

[@JOJO-oe7og]

Bro I have the 27 inch GS, and it's like a glossy panel, coming from a Odyssey G7 VA. Incredible screen and brightness.

[@blueversace4447]

If the matte finish is the same as the matte coating on the 2023 46” LG ultrawide OLED, I 100% agree with The Display Guy on it being a step down - it’s not terrible, but does add grain. I have that display and the Alienware 4K 240hz QD, and the LG matte finish is significantly worse.

[@califorupha1574]

Lil bro just cope harder. We all know glossy is superior. If you have trouble with reflection in bright environments just buy curtains or dim the lights.

[@20puskinas1992]

Lg matte sucks! Stop bs i owned Laptop and now own lg matte monitor and seen best lg monitors. All lg monitors have industry worst coating. Au optronics matte coating in my laptop makes color much more vibrant.

[@Nickprvt]

And I bought the Lg last week bcs of Optimums reviews, should I switch to Glossy?

[@PierceGibbss]

If your happy with it no, I own both qd oled glossy and woled "matte" , thier not much of a difference like optimum tech pointed out. This guy is drama chasing.

[@Nickprvt]

@@PierceGibbssI like the lg very much after the first 2 montshs now

[@Cubs0209]

Thank you for making this video. So tired of people just accepting a matte coating and saying it’s not that bad. We need more glossy displays. Especially glossy W OLED

[@ReTrace1]

Well, it's simple, you invest in OLEDs to have the best image colors and clarity. That can only be achieved by glossy coatings. Those who say otherwise have not seen the image qualities of glossy screens. Just look at some OLED phones.

[@sachak]

Look it's very simple, To get a matt finish the surface has to be rough, it might not feel rough to the touch but at a microscopic level there is a texture, and as far as light goes, if there are irregularities in a transparent surface the light will be refracted in different angles, this is what gives the "matt" finish, it is just light being refracted into a million different angles. So now that we know the science behind how this works, we cannot argue that a glossy coating will be far superior to a matt coating. It's EXACTLY the same as a cheap diamond (due to irregularities and impurities" in the diamond compared to a high quality pure diamond. You are going to pay more because the surface is near perfect, and it seems more perfect because the light isn't being refracted and diffused through all the irregularities and impurities. There is no argument here, glossy looks better, case closed, Matt will NEVER look better than a glossy display. Yes you will see clearer reflections, but on a matt finish the reflections are just being diffused, which in my opinion is more irritating. I use an LG Oled 55" display as my monitor and when I have to switch to using my laptop matt display it irritates the hell out of me because the glare from the reflections makes it very difficult to see in certain lighting conditions, where as with my glossy Oled, the reflections never bother me as they don't change the picture by diffusing it.

[@Meditations2024]

Glossy doesn't scatter the light and make everything look like Vaseline. That's the key difference. 😉

[@Kmaitland89]

You seem incredibly dramatic.

[@Shadowsmoke11]

If these tech influencers says they prefer matte coatings, tech companies will stop making glossy screens and revert back to matte only again sadly 😢

[@T.R.A.N.C.E]

This is a non topic. Optimum simply is not bothered by the lowered clarity, at the benefit of less distracting reflections. You on the other hand are clearly in favor of maximum sharpness at the expense of having to deal with strong reflections unless your room setup/lighting circumvents it.

[@ArthurMelo-r3r]

After watching the optimum video about this, I really decline to agree that it's the same. I mean, he did a side-by-side, do you? And after watching your video, I confess that I may be wrong. Perhaps we are all sick people who don't want to look at the bronze serpent. Can you do a side-by-side?

[@michaeltessler7091]

........I did not see any video in here showing monitors side by side, same image, same video card.....that are labeled glossy vs matte. I enjoyed the chat, but could not make sense of the images shown and if it was glossy or matte being shown. Way too confusing visually.

[@wileyracer]

He actually has the monitors in front of him tho, I'm ordering the LG

[@thedisplayguy]

So have I.

[@andrewmorris3479]

You don’t know what you’re missing. Semi-glossy QD-OLED is superior in every way minus a 1080P 480Hz mode.

[@wileyracer]

@@andrewmorris3479 I also want the Matte finish, my desk is right near a giant glass door and tons of light. I have a OLED Q3 I use for TV if I want a glossy screen. I want Matte for my monitor, and 480hz for gaming.

[@tomgreene5388]

usually people that have to let the world know they are buying something aren't actually buying anything and just living in fantasy land lmao. but even if you are, enjoy the inferior product!

[@yzuniga13sa]

@andrewmorris3479 bro are you forgetting the fact that it looks gray in a lit environment. I mean, if you play in a dark cave all the time, go for it. Most people don't use their monitors in pure darkness.

[@omarcortes5754]

Which one to buy? Looking for options.

[@sadasd-n2f]

The LG W-Oled that optimum reviewed with the matt finish is peak don't listen to this guy

[@npaul5962]

Look at glossy vs matte at a computer shop and see if you can tell a difference. When you spend this much money, you should get quality

[@WrexBF]

None. Wait for a glossy WOLED.

[@gigantoad3261]

I just wish glossy was the default and then if people want they can add matte coatings on top. How is it that smartphones, tablets and even many laptops have glossy screens? All devices that are meant for mobile with inherent uncontrollable lighting, yet nobody complains about reflections. But somehow for stationary PC monitors we need to get rid of those reflections, or rather diffuse them to hell and back. It's such a backwards world.

[@Smiley-zm1rp]

Buy glossy if that your cup of tea lol don’t make it hard. I like matte

[@noidsuper]

@@Smiley-zm1rp That's the main issue. There are barely any glossy options for monitors. The QD-OLEDs are a step in the right direction, but even that isn't the same as glossy on TVs. The people clamoring for glossy displays want the *option* to be available. If they don't complain about it then glossy monitors will never be a thing.

[@listerinekiller]

when you talk about graininess is it the same concept on non oled displays? i have a 4k lg ips that looks grainy if i leave it on too long sometimes and readjusts if i turn it off for a few minutes and back on (comparatively matte screen to oled). I've also noticed this same graininess - where each individual pixel looks pronounced - on 1080p gaming monitors myself and other people irl have. is this the same graininess you mentioned? or am i watching out for something else when comparing matte/glossy oled displays?

[@TheBeardedMann]

Did anyone even watch and listen to Optimum's entire video??

[@ivanbreckner8159]

As someone who has had both there’s no doubt that QD-OLED is superior. I wanted to love the LG39 inch OLED so bad but the matte coating was just way too noticeable coming from a glossy QD-OLED. I ended up sticking with my G8.

[@drachen6096]

"Yes, you're wrong" while also giving a different opinion the same as Optimum. It's definitely not vastly superior, lol.

[@Skylancer727]

I think the grain is incredibly distracting no matter the lighting. The light of the display makes it apparent even in the dark where it appears like the smudges on your smartphone, but over the entire screen. I will say that the reflections perspective is very subjective. Some people prefer matte reflections while others prefer glossy. I personally prefer glossy as matte just means it raises the blacks across the entire screen and still has obvious reflections while others say all that matters to them is that the reflection isn't perfectly sharp and a bit dimmer. I think it's similar to those who can't see through a windshield in the rain while others don't even use the wipers.

[@Boombi_]

​@Skylancer727 on an ips, tn, etc monitor matte isn't so bad because you don't get a very high contrast but on an oled I feel like it's fucking up the display to out a matte finish like that you ruin the contrast, it will look like you have some sort of Q-led display without enough dimming zones and you'll get halos around bright objects in dark environments, and as you've said, blurry stuff in some conditions. Only reason for matte is if you work in a bright room and have lots of reflections that distract you, having difused reflections might make it less distracting.

[@andrewmorris3479]

I wondered why Ali never brought up what the matte finish does to whites with his original review of the 32GS95UE and couldn’t believe he never addressed it with today’s video! I’m with you 100%, whites are ruined with the matte coating which is one of OLED’s strengths with perfect per pixel illumination. The AW3225QF and AW2725DF I’ve used are truly night and day when it comes to white colors.

[@stucc3054]

I'm sorry but 6:24 is such a stupid thing to include very clearly a shitty phone camera and not the fault of the screen lol

[@paul2609]

Does it matter if they're taken from the same camera

[@iccchen1981]

Is matte a coating? My understanding is matte is the result of removing the cover glass leaving the polarizer as the top layer.