iPhone 16: The New 48MP Ultra-wide FAIL!! (Nerdy tests included)

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@cameraconspiracies
@cameraconspiracies 2 ай бұрын
What time is the purple sandstorm noise party starting? I want to go.
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
At iso 1600 eastern time. It’ll be WILD 🤪 🎉
@zenseekerEric
@zenseekerEric 2 ай бұрын
@@THEDPJOURNEY🤣🤣🤣
@LouisLuzuka
@LouisLuzuka 2 ай бұрын
is there 3d pop
@josukeuchiha
@josukeuchiha 2 ай бұрын
Go to sleep Kasey
@pneuma23093
@pneuma23093 2 ай бұрын
Darude
@nikkopt
@nikkopt 2 ай бұрын
The problem is bandwidth. The main camera has a massive high speed connection between the sensor and the SoC. This takes a lot of space on the board and requires the SoC to have a lot of pins. The other cameras always had a lower bandwidth connection between sensor and SoC. You can look at disassembly pictures and see that their flat flex cables have much less pins than the main camera. In the 15 you had 16MP to work with, now you have 48 but the bandwidth probably stayed the same, so you are getting lower quality outputs. The sensor itself isn't the problem. One of the main benefits of quad Bayer sensors is better low light performance. You can literally take 2 12MP pictures at the same time with ZSL and use them to get better HDR when you compute the final image. The better low light performance comes by having 4 pixels working as one, capturing more light. You can't really give more time to the sensor to send a higher quality capture because it works in realtime. The sensor doesn't have buffer memory to store what it captured and then send it to the SoC. If it did then bandwidth wouldn't be such a big problem, we would just have to wait a couple of seconds after pressing the shutter for the phone to receive and process a high quality image, but it doesn't work like that. The pause you get some times is the phone capturing several different images to fuse them together.
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
Yeah I was also suspecting a hardware limitation, but I have hope that they might (highly unlikely) have an update that would improve it a bit. Otherwise I feel they’ll use the same sensor in the 17 and just increase the bandwidth as you said. Great analysis 👍 Thank you so much for the comment Do you work in tech?
@diegoottaviani9155
@diegoottaviani9155 2 ай бұрын
@@THEDPJOURNEY That will happen in the iPhone 17, starting from 1799$ 😄
@Skylda
@Skylda 2 ай бұрын
And you want to tell me that the Stanford engineers who work there don't think of something like that? Or did Apple say that they won't replace the cables until the iPhone 17 because then we'll have another "innovation" so that people will buy the new iPhone. 😂
@diegoottaviani9155
@diegoottaviani9155 2 ай бұрын
@@Skylda They always do it like that, ofc they know people buy their products because there's always something new, or else they just could've upgraded all three cameras to the 48mp sensor (they missed on having a 50x digital zoom and instead still sticked with the 25x). I mean, I don't blame them, people still buy Apple among other brands, and they are a big company so making the most with the lowest expense possible will always be their objective, but seeing what other brands are doing (Samsung, Oppo, Sony ecc.) it feels a little unfair to have such a conduct.
@nikkopt
@nikkopt 2 ай бұрын
@@Skylda It's not about not knowing, it's about space and power constraints. For example, a modern AMD CPU has 24 usable pci-e lanes. A motherboard manufacturer can't add more (native) lanes because the cpu doesn't have more pins for them. There is not enough space on mobile SoC's. Apple already packs their boards with components. More lanes would require a bigger SoC and bigger board to place those traces. They are probably already using the fastest SLVS interface for the main camera. Not to mention power consumption and processing power. When you're using the camera, all sensors are turned on so you can switch between them instantly without giving you a black screen. The ISP on the SoC has a limit on how many pixels it can process at the same time. Apple doesn't disclose these numbers but to give an example of the spectra ISP on qualcomm SoC's, it advertises a single 200MP camera or 3 simultaneous 36MP cameras. 36 x 3 = only 108MP. Also, just because it can take 200MP pictures it doesn't mean it will be at its best quality. They give you a maximum bandwidth cap, you can use it to take extremely high MP pictures images at a lower quality or smaller pictures at higher quality. Could they add more lanes to the version of the iphone with only 2 cameras? They could since there is no third camera occupying that space on the board, but they're not doing it.
@noneother7549
@noneother7549 2 ай бұрын
Great video but a few points 1) The sensor having quad-bayer layout is not a rumor, we know which sensors they use, yes they have quad-bayer layout. 2) Quad-bayer was developed for noise and color performance in the combined-pixel mode. The high-res mode (48 MP) is a marketing gimmick. 3) The sensor of the main camera is the same as iPhone 14 Pro and iPhone 15 Pro, they all use the IMX 803. The IMX 903 was rumored to be in the iPhone 16 before it came out, but it is not. 4) It seems a bit unlikely that 2160p video modes downsample from the 48 MP mode, instead they most likely just use the combined pixel mode. (Since a 2160p image still fits comfortable into the 3024x4032 resolution.) 5) Why is the video performance of the new ultrawide so bad? I wouldn't expect it to be a hardware issue, even though the sensor is exactly the same size as the iPhone 15 ultrawide, and therefore any improvements would be marginal at best, it is still generally a more modern and better sensor. It seems that Apple's pipeline is just worse for this sensor, with both noise reduction and afterwards sharpening being way too high. One thing to mention also is that looking at noise is a poor indicator of video quality on iPhones - the iPhone adjusts the strength of noise reduction depending on the ISO and lighting conditions. Sometimes, a more noisy image will still retain much more detail, because it wasn't completely destroyed by the denoiser.
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the Comment... 1-I said "rumor" cuz there's no definitive and official source I found that confirm that, can you share why you're 100% sure of that claim? I'd be happy to include it in the description 2-Based on my tests that resolved worse results thant he 15, I assume that only works for photos, not video, since that statement was mentioned int he context of Photos 3-how do you know? Any reliable sources that can confirm that without any doubt? 4-once again, these are all theories, that's why I didnt want to talk much about the "how" but rather about the "final result" 5-Software can easily improve the performance of sensors if implemented in a way that gets the best of it. That doesn't seem tot be the case here. So yeah I agree it's not a hardware problem. About noise: I didnt mention it as a metric of overall "Video quality", it is an image characteristic that affects the final result we as filmmakers care about, whether that's considered as quality or not is irrelevant. Again all I care about is the final look and result. And as you said, "Sometimes, a more noisy image will still retain much more detail", that's why I conducted a denoiser test to see how much of that detail is left, and as you saw, the results proved that the iPhone 15 had more retained noise. Thansk again for the comment
@noneother7549
@noneother7549 2 ай бұрын
@@THEDPJOURNEY I mean, they literally call it a quad-pixel sensor. What else could it possibly mean? It should work for videos too, after all, before encoding, video is just a bunch of pictures. Apple's pipeline just seems to do *something* horribly wrong. Well the IMX 903 has different pixel size and different auto focus characteristics.The specs Apple released show that everything is identical to the 14 Pro and 15 Pro. So yes I would say it is without a doubt the same sensor. The IMX903 is also supposed to have very significant advancements in low light performance, surely they would mention that in some way - but they said nothing about the sensor really. The only thing they mentioned is the faster interconnect. Yes it's basically guaranteed they use the 12 MP mode for video - the 48 MP mode would use 4x the bandwidth (and look worse)! And clearly bandwidth does not come cheap, since increased bandwidth to the sensor is like the main feature of the 16 Pro.
@orlandoalexander7119
@orlandoalexander7119 2 ай бұрын
You just earned a new subscriber for really getting down in the nitty gritty of things 👍🏼
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
Really happy you liked the Nerdy content 👍👍 Welcome aboard
@inputerase
@inputerase 2 ай бұрын
People expect too much from sensor technology, development. The sensor development has slowing down since iPhone 13 Pro. Most of the improvements we have seen for the last two years are software based. I think we will see some hardware breakthroughs within two years.
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
True, but why not use the same sensor from the 24mm though?
@Littlebrownchicken
@Littlebrownchicken 2 ай бұрын
⁠@@THEDPJOURNEYthey needed something to update because people are like fucking vampires nagging Apple to bump the specs by as much as possible to not buy the phone and just say it’s the same as last year because the cameras are in the same arrangement.
@thealaris
@thealaris 2 ай бұрын
​@@chrisak49They definitely can, but why make 2 identical cameras, when you can make them different for the room to future upgrade
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
They need the cameras to be push away from each other a bit, not protrude. It is very reasonable and feasible solution
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
Keep in mind that it’s very rare for companies to use the full potential of any sensor, similar to how you can use an engine in two different cars and each one will give you different performances based on how each tunes it. A sensor can last more than five years if you keep on updating the components around it that takes advantage of an extra feature or two every year, but to me it’s just absurd that they introduced a new sensor that performs worse than the previous one and call it an upgrade.
@speedyg123.
@speedyg123. 2 ай бұрын
man before the launch, i was most excited for the new 48mp ultrawide since i expected apple to vastly increase the sensor size just like they did when they moved from 12 to 48mp on the main camera (70% increase in size). They kept the sensor the exact same size smh i’m very disappointed by this 48mp ultrawide. it doesn’t even do the fusion thing in photo mode where it makes a 24mp final photo Not to mention the video side is worse. Will be atleast 2-3 years before we get some upgrades to the ultrawide again :/
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
Yeah I feel the same. It’s a 48 MEGA Disappointment
@Aneliuse
@Aneliuse 2 ай бұрын
3:26 The difference is clear as day. Look at the roof tiles. There is a difference in resolution. The above image is much softer. I dont know *why* that is or *what* differences are found in the software, but the difference is visible nonetheless.
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
Watch the rest of the video and see how it goes down pretty bad staring from iso 800
@NerdSyncProductions
@NerdSyncProductions 2 ай бұрын
Great comparisons!
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
Cheers thanks 🙏
@NandarAung-wl8ln
@NandarAung-wl8ln Ай бұрын
it just might be software improvements due to new "sensor"
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY Ай бұрын
I have no doubt it’s a new sensor, but I have my doubts on their choice in programming it, or just the actual physical choice of sensor itself
@lol-di3tf
@lol-di3tf 2 ай бұрын
It's not really 48mp. It's a quad bayer so it's actually 12mp and therefore in 4K, there aren't any differences with iPhone 15 Pro's ultra wide angle lens. I believe they should increase the sensor size in order to improve the quality.
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
I have a feeling you didn’t watch the full video
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 27 күн бұрын
Yeah I think that’s it 👍 Thanks for pointing that out
@fossmountainfilm
@fossmountainfilm Ай бұрын
Thanks for the high quality and honest reviews!!
@ColindeSilva
@ColindeSilva Ай бұрын
Could this be linked to the astro long exposure blue line bug that some 16's have got?
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY Ай бұрын
I don’t think so. This seems like they’re just taking full advantage of the what the sensor could be capable of. They might just be saving that for the iPhone 17
@bricesodini960
@bricesodini960 2 ай бұрын
Have we any chance of improvement with software update ?
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
There is for sure. I believe the hardware is capable, but not sure if it can handle the data stream internally. With that said, I can’t remember a time when Apple improves the camera quality over update
@josuastangl7140
@josuastangl7140 2 ай бұрын
Apples software updates sadly only come in the form of new iPhone releases. That’s why the iPhone 15's main camera looks better than the over sharpened 14 Pro. Both have the same sensor, but the older phone never got the software fix.
@cyanidex
@cyanidex 2 ай бұрын
Some of your points are valid but you might be in the wrong business if you can't see the difference between 3:28 and 4:00. The iPhone 16 was clearly sharper and not at all identical images.
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
More likely I’m in the wrong business
@davidkennethnoronha1622
@davidkennethnoronha1622 2 ай бұрын
It is confirmed, I think, that the 48 MP UW cam on the 16 Pro has the same sensor size (1/2.55) compared to the 15 Pro 12 MP UW which is kinda disappointing. If getting a 48 MP sensor with the same size as before meant getting slightly worse low light pictures then they should have at the least made the aperture around f/1.9 or 2.0 to compensate for it. The Pixel 9 Pro does this, it has a 48 MP UW cam which is the same sized sensor but has a wider f/1.7 aperture and it is clearly better at night even in videos.....But this tiny disappointment is not gonna stop me from getting this phone soon tho as I'm pretty sure the UW would still be an upgrade from my 12.
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
Oh yeah it’s an upgrade from the 12 👍
@VenomChopra
@VenomChopra 26 күн бұрын
Will i phone modify and accurate it in future? Because I am waiting for a base model (in future like iphone 17 or 18 or...) to have a 48 mp Ultra wide sensor and then I will purchase my first base iphone. video is honest But iam sad about result. 😢
@LouisLuzuka
@LouisLuzuka 2 ай бұрын
wow so should I still stick to the 15 pro / pro max? not worth upgrade?
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
So far, I don’t see any reason to upgrade other than 120 fps. So it’s up to you
@LouisLuzuka
@LouisLuzuka 2 ай бұрын
@@THEDPJOURNEY and even still I would have to record it externally... I think I want 15 pro / 15 pro max... but is there a better choice between 15 pro or pro max? or is the 5x lens superior or it doesn't matter
@snxwyvxbes7335
@snxwyvxbes7335 2 ай бұрын
i have a couple questions 😭 how do you script your videos!? i feel like it’s the hardest part to making the video feel and play out right. and how long have you been making content?
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
Yeah it does take a lot of effort to simplify things down to what you see now. It’s always challenging to package very complex topics into easy and digestible nuggets of information that everyone can understand. and yes, it takes a long time to reach those conclusions and prepare them. Thank you so much for noticing the effort that goes into this and for your support by watching the video and commenting
@josuastangl7140
@josuastangl7140 2 ай бұрын
Do 15 and 15 Pro have the same ultra wide? This is my main concern upgrading from a 13 Pro. Invaluable video btw, thank you for this test/comparison!
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for the kind words, I’m not sure honestly about the 15 and the 15 pro
@mauisam1
@mauisam1 2 ай бұрын
Do you think it can be fixed i software or is it bad hardware?
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
I do think it’s software fixable yes, but looking at the history of Apple, they have never introduced an update that improves the camera quality. They will save that for the next phone.
@wasislos
@wasislos Ай бұрын
Hi everyone, what would you think is the best camera phone now? I heard that constant zoom quality can be done only in iphone (without changing colors/overall quality of video when swapping lenses while zooming), are there really no android phones that can do that? I personally own Xiaomi ultra 13, it has a nice main camera, nice 5x camera, and that's it, wide and 3.2x cameras are quite bad in regards of quality of picture, also when i zoom in while shooting videos there is a super noticable swapping between lenses both in terms of quality and color which is really annoying (also it just shakes for a second when swapping lenses)
@omneyanoureldin3651
@omneyanoureldin3651 2 ай бұрын
Was awaiting your professional evaluation impatiently! Thanks again for ur valuable n most of all honest info👍
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for the comment, glad you liked it
@DurrantKellogg
@DurrantKellogg 2 ай бұрын
i returned my 16 pro and happy with my 15 pro for now. That was my main wish as well, was a better quality wide. thanks for your video!
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
I think you made the right call, glad I could help.
@khunrocky606
@khunrocky606 2 ай бұрын
What about native camera app compariosn is it result the same
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
Wasn’t interring trying since it doesn’t give me the same pro controls from the BM
@dyztanz6188
@dyztanz6188 2 ай бұрын
Can you also make a comparison between iPhone and Motorolla g41 (48 MP) and Motorolla g73 (50 MP) for instance. These are cheap phones compared to the iPhone, but I like their crisp photo's.
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
If I get my hands on them then I’ll surely try them out
@xG4mx
@xG4mx 2 ай бұрын
Beautiful breakdown again. Thanks again!
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for watching
@serkanbudur
@serkanbudur 2 ай бұрын
Awesome video as always, thank you Sherif! Wonder if an update could fix this? Almost looks like it isnt using any of the pixel binning for the video side of things. Would be interesting to see how the stock camera app fares.
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
I think that’s an update could potentially improve it yes. Many times the hardware is more capable than the software, and brands just cripple it on purpose to use the same hardware in the following models. Let’s see
@iamakkkshay
@iamakkkshay 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for pointing this out to the masses, I had been commenting about this since Day 1 when 16 pro launched on as many channels as possible 🤗
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
Yeah the more we say it, the better chances Apple would realize that we know when they mess up
@mattdownn
@mattdownn 2 ай бұрын
Worth mentioning that the Blackmagic camera app appears to do its own processing. My 13 pro looks way better on BM app (rec709/2.4/H.264MOV) versus video mode on camera app (same codecs and colour). Perhaps worth experimenting also with final cut camera app. Wondering if this is due to BM not fully calibrating their app for the new phones yet. Just a thought
@kevinmairhofer
@kevinmairhofer 2 ай бұрын
Would have been interesting to include some 12MP ultrawide photos with the 16 pro to compare with the 15 pro to see if there is a difference too?
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
I assume you didn’t watch the full video 🙃 I have an answer to that later in the episode
@ErikBrainOS
@ErikBrainOS 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for this high quality explanations, it really helps! as someone who shoots with the iPhone 15 Pro, you made me understand my camera even better, and I'm not going to upgrade this year.
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
Really glad I can help, thanks for watching
@_prinzvalium_
@_prinzvalium_ 2 ай бұрын
The sensor of the ultra-wide-angle camera is also much smaller than the sensor of the main camera. Ultra-wide: 1.4 µm, main: 2.4 µm.
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
To me I care about the result, you can get great performance from small sensors, but not from this one apparently
@theowlfromduolingo7982
@theowlfromduolingo7982 2 ай бұрын
It really is impressive but also a weakness that for using a different focal length a different sensor plus the focal length is used.
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
Yeah exactly. That’s a major drawback for filmmakers who are used to constant results from the same camera when changing lenses
@GregMatoga
@GregMatoga 2 ай бұрын
Is the ultra wide at least good at pictures?
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
While I did answer that in the video and I advise to watch that part, the answer is yes
@iPhone-Cinematograhy
@iPhone-Cinematograhy 2 ай бұрын
Once again, brilliant review! Thank you.
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
Really appreciate it! Thanks for watching
@hotmandead1
@hotmandead1 Ай бұрын
Subscribed 👊 this is amazing observations
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY Ай бұрын
Thank you so much, and welcome aboard
@aanojonekeem288
@aanojonekeem288 2 ай бұрын
Will Apple change or improve the camera resolution and quality? will IOS next update will bring a better result?
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
No one knows
@marshartdegen
@marshartdegen 2 ай бұрын
Though it's the same 48MP, the sensor is smaller than the main lens. Make sense, but I don't think 12MP Ultrawide like on iPhone 15 Pro can be better than 16 Pro's 48?
@cocolandstudio
@cocolandstudio 2 ай бұрын
man this channel is way way way underrated
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for the compliment. It would really help to get the word out if you can Like share and subscribe 🙏🙏🙏 Really appreciate your support
@cocolandstudio
@cocolandstudio 2 ай бұрын
@@THEDPJOURNEY im a subscriber since the first video about the Blackmagic 6k (4 years ago) :)) video liked before it even started !! Keep the good things coming 👌
@TheIconfriend
@TheIconfriend 2 ай бұрын
No surprises about Apple’s misleading marketing messages…Great video as always!
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
🙏🙏🙏 cheers thabks
@sauzefilms
@sauzefilms 2 ай бұрын
whew im glad i didnt pick up the 16 Pro. I wanted to upgrade for the USB-C and that bumped up MP Ultra Wide lens because the Main and UW are my 2 most used lenses, but i felt that the price is too much for the "upgrade". thanks so much for showing the inconsistencies and drop off in quality.
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
I'm glad my videos helped you make the right choice. And yeah if you’re coming from the 15, then it’s more of a “downgrade”
@wildpatagoniafilms16
@wildpatagoniafilms16 2 ай бұрын
Ahhh I was waiting for this... ;) watching while having a good glass of wine... excellent post as usual 👏
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
🥂cheers
@nb347
@nb347 2 ай бұрын
Earned a new sub! Thank you for breakig it all down for us.
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
Thank you so much, welcome aboard
@Treborray
@Treborray Ай бұрын
amazing breakdown wow
@skymakai
@skymakai 2 ай бұрын
It’s really a shame because there’s definitely a market for the wide angle lens in video. Architecture and real estate videographers would jump to the iPhone if it actually had good quality on the wide angle lens.
@Flamamacue
@Flamamacue 2 ай бұрын
There definitely is - it's such a handy focal length. 13mm is great for establishing shots or room shots, and throwing an iPhone on a phone gimbal is so much simpler easier and lighter than changing lenses and rebalancing for one or two shots. Property is my main game and I used the 15 Pro until I got my Z8 - I would still use the 15 Pro a whole lot more if the 13mm sensor was closer to the 24mm's quality.
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
Yeah exactly, my main concern also is the massive quality inconsistency between each lens, as well as the different fixed apertures
@JojoJoget
@JojoJoget 2 ай бұрын
If it had a lens the size of the phone, you’d complain. The sensor size is the limitation, software can only fake it so much.
@josuastangl7140
@josuastangl7140 2 ай бұрын
Also for nightclub/concert reels/aftermovies. I keep trying to incorporate some iPhone 13 Pro shots (even main camera), but in low light my Fuji X-T4 produces just so much better videos. Thinking about if the 15 would be a decent upgrade to change that…
@CanaryFilmPro
@CanaryFilmPro 2 ай бұрын
I love my iPhone 15 Pro Max 1TB so don’t waste your money on the 16th Pro Max..👍🏻
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
So far I agree with you when it comes to cameras
@Steve-pb2vm
@Steve-pb2vm 2 ай бұрын
Great comparison. Exactly the reason why I won’t upgrade from 15 pro max to the 16 pro.
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
Honestly, you have all the right. I’m kind of regretting this upgrade. Let’s see what Apple Intelligence will bring, otherwise it’s not really worth it.
@rephaelreyes8552
@rephaelreyes8552 2 ай бұрын
This assumes that his sensor is the standard and not faulty. It’s possible that poor QC with Apple products is more frequent than we think
@JakePickle
@JakePickle 2 ай бұрын
People actually “upgrade” from one model to the next? 🤣🤦🏼‍♂️
@caterbieyt9526
@caterbieyt9526 2 ай бұрын
We always see some problems when company upgrades the camera sensor. For example iPhone 14 Pro 48mp lens looked worse than 13p - it was over sharpened, 5x telephoto lens was purple on s24 ultra - everything was patched after two months. In my case 48mp ultrawide looks much better than 15 pro 12mp especially outside in good lighting conditions.
@josuastangl7140
@josuastangl7140 2 ай бұрын
…in good lighting conditions, you said it.
@666size666
@666size666 2 ай бұрын
Can't wait to see your Pyxis in-depth review.
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
Gott aget my hands on it... but most of all.. find the time LOL
@ThatGuyOverThereWeird
@ThatGuyOverThereWeird 2 ай бұрын
So wait for iPhone 17 Pro with all upgraded cameras instead of just one?
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
No one knows
@pntx155
@pntx155 2 ай бұрын
Was it the pro version or not?
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
Yeah the pro
@thetechrealist
@thetechrealist 2 ай бұрын
Damn…Thank duck I was skipping the 16 series entirely already because the difference between the 14 pro is tiny
@Your_Egyptian_Papi
@Your_Egyptian_Papi 2 ай бұрын
Egyptian accent goes hard, love to see people from my country making it in life 🤟
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
Ta7ya Masr
@cupofjoen
@cupofjoen 2 ай бұрын
They're giving anything on the ultrawide but the telephoto camera module.
@buchnermichel
@buchnermichel 2 ай бұрын
Great testing, it only leaves the question, why?
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
There’s a lot of why’s I have, which why are you referring to?
@mohamedmokbel1836
@mohamedmokbel1836 2 ай бұрын
Very informative thanks ..!
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
Much appreciated, thanks for watching
@cweb1988
@cweb1988 2 ай бұрын
Definitely disappointing. I was thinking we would see the ultra-wide be similar quality to the main. But it’s not even close. Until we see them use the same sensor.
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
Yeah that’s what also thought, very anti climactic
@stargazerxdd
@stargazerxdd Ай бұрын
Because of the technical warning, I was expecting some heavy research work like data sheet investigation and looking into the CMOS Sensor under optical microscope to calculate the dimensions and count of individual pixels. And figuring out the exact issue in the interfacing and implementation of the 48mp sensor and finding the expected outcome in ideal situation. Nvm🙂.
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY Ай бұрын
I wishhhh…. But my typical viewer would freak out and just abandon the channel forever. 😂 Maybe I should make a new “Nerd Alert” channel that goes super Nerd 🤓
@stargazerxdd
@stargazerxdd Ай бұрын
@@THEDPJOURNEY 😂😂
@NikolasPrivitera24
@NikolasPrivitera24 2 ай бұрын
I got the 16 pro and the 48 Max uw is much better
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
Glad to hear that
@whiterock1865
@whiterock1865 2 ай бұрын
Yes, divide 48 by 4 and you get 12 so basically it sounds like it’s probably just a 12 MP chip doing the pixel shift.
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY Ай бұрын
Or pixel binning of a 48MP… no one knows other than the Apple tech peeps. I do trust it’s a 48MP, proven though the raw photo , what’s weird is how it’s just worse than the 12mp
@rickdg
@rickdg 2 ай бұрын
Have you maybe checked with other photographers that have an iPhone 16 to test? Does anyone else have these issues?
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
This is in mainly for Video, I didn’t check the photography quality. But I would highly doubt that other iPhones would express different results.
@DanPetru.
@DanPetru. 2 ай бұрын
Awesome video, like always!
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
Cheers, thank you so much for watching
@OP360communication
@OP360communication 2 ай бұрын
Very educative, thanks !!!
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
Really happy to hear that thank you so much for watching and for your comment
@MagdaKHindia
@MagdaKHindia 2 ай бұрын
Pretty unexpected and disappointing from Apple. Thanks for the eye opener.
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, I know, I was unpleasantly surprised as well , thanks for watching
@Harvester88
@Harvester88 2 ай бұрын
I went from a 14 Pro to the 16 Pro. I’m enjoying it overall.
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
14 to 16 makes sense for sure. But 15-16 you won’t be very happy
@PeterbFree
@PeterbFree 2 ай бұрын
Considering that an ultra wide is hardly ever needed, who cares? The marketing hype around phones specd with ultra wides is most unfortunate. In the real world most photographers take the majority of their photos with a 24-70mm zoom. These ultra wide lenses are mostly a marketing gimmick
@sonidojamon
@sonidojamon 2 ай бұрын
I'm so happy I still have an iPhone 15 Pro
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, I’m happy I still have that as well
@Inventi0ns
@Inventi0ns Ай бұрын
I love how thorough and in depth your testing is! I've learned a lot from watching your videos! With all of the new action cameras coming out right now, have you ever considered comparing the 3 main competitors? GoPro, DJI, Insta360. I haven't been thrilled with the existing review videos as they have lacked the more technical tests that you have provided. I would love to see a comparison done in your style!
@su.demm.
@su.demm. 2 ай бұрын
3:18 you can easily see which is which
@ivanferrero
@ivanferrero 2 ай бұрын
The 48mpx ultra wide it´s not working at all...It was something exciting for photographers like me (landscape) but...that "new sensor" it´s nor really usefull at all.
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
Yeah I was disappointed honestly. But there might be some hope. I feel this could be improved with a software update. Highly unlikely though
@VidTechwRick
@VidTechwRick 5 күн бұрын
This guy is brilliant, and he has cured baldness! 🧢
@aprendendoinglessozinho3991
@aprendendoinglessozinho3991 2 ай бұрын
Video incrivel! Parabéns, traga mais vídeos assim, please! o/
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
Really appreciate your compliments. Thanks for watching
@Angelshorts21
@Angelshorts21 2 ай бұрын
Me when my overthinking starts to kick in:
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
Someone had to do it 😂
@fbisanchet
@fbisanchet 2 ай бұрын
The think is, do all they want but cut 50% and don't tell anything 😅 Maybe on the next iPhone 17 pro, they give to us the same on tele photo lens ( photographer consumer) and leave the main sensor just for video. Who knows!! Thx a lot for clarifying . Cheers
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
Haha, who knows what goes into their minds. Thanks again for watching.
@rw3452
@rw3452 2 ай бұрын
Drop the mic breakdown. Cat is out the bag now. Glad I’m still on 15…
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
A wise decision! Now I gotta return mine LOL
@MasticinaAkicta
@MasticinaAkicta 2 ай бұрын
12Mpixel vs 48Mpixel in the same size sensor... yeah I can see the problem. Even if the sensor is newer and technology is moving along. Putting 48Mpixels on that tiny a sensor is ... well.. it is a number. It will SELL... but it isn't QUALITY pixels.
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
But the 24mm is also a tiny sensor but with a massively better quality. So it’s not the size really
@VenomChopra
@VenomChopra 26 күн бұрын
It's the light capturing measure ​@@THEDPJOURNEY
@Old-School-Liberal
@Old-School-Liberal 2 ай бұрын
A really wide lens on a small sensor don’t mix.
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
No it works, they just need the 24mm sensor instead of
@Old-School-Liberal
@Old-School-Liberal 2 ай бұрын
@@THEDPJOURNEY I’ve never really seen it look good. I think with the small sensor it’s too much information and needs a larger sensor.
@andrew.pavlov
@andrew.pavlov 2 ай бұрын
You're so hard pressed to spot the difference that it becomes obvious that there's almost none. And even if the iPhone 16 is currently shooting slightly worse than the 15, I'm completely confident that this will be fixed with updates.
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
I’m also hopeful, I’m confident that this can be fixed with an update because the hardware seems like it’s in place, but the results are not. I advise to watch the full episode to see how the results get much worse past 800 Thanks again for your comment
@andrew.pavlov
@andrew.pavlov 2 ай бұрын
@@THEDPJOURNEY It reminded me of the moment when Apple made a 12 megapixel camera in the iPhone 6s and everyone started to criticize Apple 😂 But the video was still interesting to watch, thank you for that!
@Tompie913
@Tompie913 2 ай бұрын
I doubt that the lens is sharp enough to resolve 48mp anyway. Changing the sensor was nothing more than a marketing gimmick.
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
Not really, changing the sensor was better for photos, but worse for video. I assume you didn’t watch the video till the end then
@darthgzuz
@darthgzuz 2 ай бұрын
DJI Ronin 4D has a much larger sensor size ... reading its specs reveal it is full frame where as Iphone has much much smaller sensors. Optics make all the difference. Phone camera lenses cant be as good as a dedicated full frame lenses.
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
I know, that’s why I said I’m only using it as a benchmark and not expecting the phone to give the same result. Only To prove the point that iPhone 15 looks closer to it than the iPhone 16
@darthgzuz
@darthgzuz 2 ай бұрын
​@@THEDPJOURNEY yes ur definitely right. Higher sensor resolution show lens imperfections even more so it seems Apple didnt improve the lens only bumped the sensor resolution and next iphone 17 they will just revise the lens and rest of sensor n processing will remain same. Apple being Apple, always cutting corners to make some extra money instead of doing good R&D.
@cweb1988
@cweb1988 2 ай бұрын
Until we see the same sensor in all 3 cameras…the mains gonna be the only camera that performs.
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
100%
@dougmorato
@dougmorato 2 ай бұрын
Wow, but all famous KZbinrs said the new ultrawide sensor is so much better lol Well, when you get more pixels but the same sensor size, it obviously will have worse performance in low light. There’s nothing can be done. Apple learned that the vast majority of people doesn’t understand a thing about it and would easily fall for the more pixels=better camera trick 😬🤡
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
I recommend watching the full episode to get the answers to what you said. There’s a very logical explanation to everything that I put there. Thanks again for watching 🙏🙏
@LouisLuzuka
@LouisLuzuka 2 ай бұрын
so moral of the story just use the 24mm lens and skip the 13?
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
That’s up to you, I presented you the quality at all these different ISO settings. I would just be careful after iso 800. And try to avoid the 13 in low light conditions
@LouisLuzuka
@LouisLuzuka 2 ай бұрын
@@THEDPJOURNEY yeah its upsetting.. I have the 12 pro max but I'm leaning into the 15 pro max now... do you reccomend the 15 pro at all with the 3x lens or it doesn't matter because the superior lens is the 24mm so pro or pro max would be fine
@LouisLuzuka
@LouisLuzuka 2 ай бұрын
reason why is because my carrier is offering the 15 pro / pro max $500 Canadian cheaper than the 16 pro so I wasn't sure but now I'm leaning to getting the 15 model
@Eihei
@Eihei 2 ай бұрын
Well, it is still tiny, 1/2.55" sensor. You can't beat the physics. If you want a really good ultrawide, just get a flagship Oppo.
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
Not really… they already have the 24mm camera sensor that improved was MUCH BETTER (did you watch the full video?) So physics work at that small level. Also I proved that the older 13mm in the 15 is better than the 16. Once again proving it is possible to have a small sensor that fits in a phone and get you better results
@Eihei
@Eihei 2 ай бұрын
@@THEDPJOURNEY i'm talking about ultrawide only. I'm well aware that the main sensor for 24mm Lens is quite big. But the sensor for ultrawide is still small, which is why it has similar or worse results as in 15.
@feywd
@feywd 2 ай бұрын
detail matters
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
They do. I hope everyone understands that. Thank you so much for watching
@balarol
@balarol 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for your awesome videos like always🔥👌🏼 Even when i compare my iPhone 14 pro with iphone 16 pro ultra wide lens, my iPhone is better😕😄
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
Oh really? Curious to compare them now
@Chorge1972
@Chorge1972 2 ай бұрын
Try 12MP setting!! 48 is only ok, when used under very good light!!
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
“ only OK when used under very good light” is not something anyone wants to hear unfortunately. I really can’t guarantee that everything I should will be well lit. And it’s not just about being well lit as much as how anything performs in the shadows even if it’s well lit. Being limited to a maximum of ISO 800 is not a very good start
@Chorge1972
@Chorge1972 2 ай бұрын
yes, but that’s the deal with Quadbayer Sensors! We know about that since the invention of the DJI Mini 3 Pro! Also Action cams like the AcePro have that limitation! As soon as light is not overly available, it’s better to bin the 48 toward 12MP! Much better low light performance then, as Pixelsize quadruples in that moment technically, leading to a much better signal to noise ratio, as well as better FullWellCapacity and so a better DR…
@pglazzari1
@pglazzari1 2 ай бұрын
Two steps forward one step back
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
I guess it’s just 1 step forward with AI.. which we still need to test first before calling it a step “forward”
@pglazzari1
@pglazzari1 2 ай бұрын
@@THEDPJOURNEY haha noice
@Littlebrownchicken
@Littlebrownchicken 2 ай бұрын
Remember that these can be slightly improved with a software update, not trying to some coping Apple fanboy excuse, just saying.
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
Yeah I know, I already talked about this in a couple of other comments. But again, did Apple ever do that? Not very hopeful
@Littlebrownchicken
@Littlebrownchicken 2 ай бұрын
@@THEDPJOURNEY Apple is constantly updating their software, but honestly I don’t care since I don’t use the ultra wide for video or photos anyway or the black magic camera app, or like… own an iPhone 16 pro…
@tawaanbrown6122
@tawaanbrown6122 2 ай бұрын
Man! I might send my phone back!
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
If you’re upgrading from 15… then it won’t count as an “upgrade”
@Littlebrownchicken
@Littlebrownchicken 2 ай бұрын
I don’t think I’ve ever even used the ultra wide anyway, especially not in video, but okay.
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
In photos it looks better for sure
@Littlebrownchicken
@Littlebrownchicken 2 ай бұрын
@@THEDPJOURNEY I think the ultra wide is considered a photography lens on the iPhone anyway, so maybe they made the sensor slightly worse in a not very noticeable way so they could make the phone a bit cheaper to combat inflation?
@SebastianMerca
@SebastianMerca Ай бұрын
is 48mp in QUAD BAYER mode :D
@JustDushawn
@JustDushawn 2 ай бұрын
They lieeeed to usssss - shaaame :D we want a DP version of iphone :D
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
Evil evil Apple 😂
@JojoJoget
@JojoJoget 2 ай бұрын
Expected if you’re a more technically savvy person but most photographers/videographers know shit about their gear let alone your average person with their latest phone
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
That’s why I cut to the chase in the first minute of the video saying that the 15 has better quality. Just so non-technical savvy people would know 👍
@Skylda
@Skylda 2 ай бұрын
They're all lying to us. The sensor is the same. It's just that the software converts it to 48MP. 48MP on a sensor that size? The second disadvantage is the aperture. Of course, noise starts sooner if the main camera is f1.8 and the ultra-wide angle is f2.2. Not to mention that the megapixels on the phone are all fake and are converted using software and AI. So it's all a lie, just like the 60Hz on the normal iPhone 16 models. They also have 120Hz built in but are limited to 60Hz by software. It's much more expensive to have two different displays produced by Samsung when the standard is 120Hz. At least that's just my guess. (Btw. it´s better to buy a ultra wide lens clip for the main camera on the iPhone)
@MOWFWDU
@MOWFWDU 2 ай бұрын
So Apple lies with marketing. While I guess pixel peeping like this might push them to actually bring their walk a bit closer to their talk, I think it misses the point. If you want pro results then use pro equipment. This is a phone we talking about here people and getting them to do what they do while still making a profit is not easy. Images I have made using them have given me a lot of pleasure. Maybe in couple of generations they will get closer to the holy grail (whatever that is). I just bought the 16 pro and apart from the noise in the sensor in low light conditions (which is minimal) I am happy with my choice. I will return it to see if I can get a one that does not do this, but I remember what an image from GH5 at 10,000 iso with an exposure of 30 seconds looked like just a few years ago. Horrible! Doing astro photography with your phone is fun, but if you really want pro results, lug the appropriate equipment around.
@anicicreativemedia
@anicicreativemedia 2 ай бұрын
you cant fight physic.. its an upgrade to a megapixel count, not the sensor size.
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
Whatever you wanna call it, as I mentioned: the result is what matters, and the result is not good
@Bobsmithabc
@Bobsmithabc 2 ай бұрын
BOOM! 💣💥🤯😂 👍
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
💥🤯
@juangoyeneche7304
@juangoyeneche7304 2 ай бұрын
Just hearing that you where expecting the same performance on the 13 mm for video I think is taking it out of context. You’re assuming and making it as if everyone was assuming the same thing and by that reasoning everyone was lie to. That was not the case.
@Littlebrownchicken
@Littlebrownchicken 2 ай бұрын
This video is very helpful to the 12 people that use the video on the black magic camera app with the 13mm ultra wide lens. But still entertaining for all of us.
@THEDPJOURNEY
@THEDPJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
Hahaha… I’ll take that as a compliment then. I’m happy to hear that 12 people would find this useful 👍
@Littlebrownchicken
@Littlebrownchicken 2 ай бұрын
@@THEDPJOURNEY as long as everyone finds it as a good video, it’s just a bonus that it helps others.
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