For me it's the 315 degree twin in the Husqvarna nuda. Second would be the 285 degree KTM Duke 890
@the.communist Жыл бұрын
I had a mt07 n a mt03, cb500x ( both 180°), stock pipes, the sound i liked the least was the mt07
@r.i.p2464 Жыл бұрын
@@mongerrr 315 is an equivalent of harley davidson's 45°vtwin.
@rahulsharma255 Жыл бұрын
Yes royal Enfield interceptor 650 has it
@tomtemple69 Жыл бұрын
@@mongerrrthe Duke 285 degree is my favorite
@stevepage25412 жыл бұрын
The 270 is a nice lumpy twin but with that distinctive 'vee' voice ... then,there's the staccato rasp of the 360...or the manic howl of the 180. Bloody hell,spoiled for choice here!
@rcnelson Жыл бұрын
Enlightening. Nothing sounds better than a 360 degree vertical twin, though.
@johns.1898 Жыл бұрын
Thank God
@chrishart8548 Жыл бұрын
Sounds like a bmw boxer engine.
@crippleguy415 Жыл бұрын
Nothing will ever sound as good as an old Triumph Bonny with 360 degree crank . Lots of torque .
@freddy7700 Жыл бұрын
Very good explained. Thanx a bunch. I prefer the 270°, best sound, similar to a V2 and it has good torque from down below.
@JETZcorp Жыл бұрын
Torque and power will be almost the same in all of them. The only way the cylinders can affect each other at all is exhaust pulse scavenging through the header collector. The 360 is the only one that can really make good use of that, but most of those bikes had independent twin exhausts. However since the 270 is most popular today, there are a lot of great torquey engines in that configuration. The Yamaha MT-07 would have had equally awesome torque even if it was in a different configuration. I agree 270 does sound the best.
@a...a-u7w11 ай бұрын
I might sound stupid. But INLINE, as in IN LINE, it has its own pistons in the same row. V engines, coming up to its name, It forms a V shape like V5, V6, V7, V8, V9, V10, etc. So that is why it is called INLINE as its pistons form a vertical line. Have a nice day!
@EierSchnapps10 ай бұрын
"Well" explained. "Good" is not an adverb.
@constantinosschinas4503Ай бұрын
8:20 Yamaha TRX850, 1996, the first production 270 degree twin. Wonderful bike. Bought it new, riden many set of tyres to their limit, donated it to a friend some years ago.
@hwy1310 Жыл бұрын
My Triumph Street Scrambler (2019) has a liquid cooled parallel twin, 270 degree firing angle. The low-end torque is phenomenal, smooth as silk transmission, and the stock exhaust sounds great.
@jonathanhill8268 Жыл бұрын
Would have been nice to have heard the differences!
@catingloves Жыл бұрын
Great explanation. Of differences between the 3 types. It explains similarity well between 270°and 90°V twin
@thorick59011 ай бұрын
correction: the Yamaha XS650 has no balance shaft. You get the full shake n' bake, builds strong character 9 ways.
@Eldariooirad Жыл бұрын
Loved every second of your explanations, including your perfect diction and pleasurable, professor like voice. Thank you!
@vagabondsoldier4353 Жыл бұрын
Love the CP2 engine in my XSR. Sounds great and love the smooth and linear power delivery.
@watsisbuttndo829 Жыл бұрын
Having been involved with a couple of T500 triumph classic racebikes that could shake so hard that the springs in the rear shocks would vibrate in sympathy and let the back of the bike squat when you revved it. I am completely on board with the 180 or 270 cranks.
@plap.11 ай бұрын
my cm 450 Honda was smooth as butter with a 360. It just sounded horrible, like a box of farts
@mickvonbornemann382410 ай бұрын
Actually that come be overcome by having a one piece crank & a few other mods.
@jerryw66999 ай бұрын
It's been a great experience, listening to Kermit The Frog explain motorcycle engines
@williamfischer3990 Жыл бұрын
For me the sound of a motorcycle is more important then anything else, and the 270’ is so much better.
@liamtuthill Жыл бұрын
than anything else? really?
@cisarvialpando74128 ай бұрын
Sound is more important... My fav is 360°
@vijaykalla Жыл бұрын
I have speed twin. 270 degree crank angle... The pulse you get is indescribable
@alistairbernard9574 Жыл бұрын
Excellent Feature On The Different Types of Cranks. 👍
@billbright17557 ай бұрын
That Triumph twin sure looks sweet.
@roverchap11 ай бұрын
The terminology is often used interchangeably, if not correctly. Parallel just means that the cylinders are bored in the same plane, and nothing to do with how the pistons are moving within. All crank arrangements for twins are parallel unless it's a boxer or V-twin. I prefer the traditional sound of a 360 degree - the even firing pulses. This is the classic sound of the British twins I grew up with. A Boxer sounds the same, with even firing pulses. V-twins always sound off beat, which is charismatic. 180 twins are raspy and harsh, 270s just sound like a V-twin - a nice sound but detracts from the uniqueness of a parallel twin.
@JCF69700--10 ай бұрын
At 7:28 the Honda 650 Africa Twin has a V-twin engine
@fredrutledge3628 Жыл бұрын
I owned a Triumph 360 degree (1973 Bonneville 750) and a Triumph 270 degree ( 2015 Speed twin 900) and the 270 was much more pleasant on the road.
@MrJulianneave Жыл бұрын
Might also have had something to do with 42 years of technical advancement...but yeah I dig the 270° crank too!
@UPTHETOWN Жыл бұрын
270 degree 650 Interceptor sounds & feels lovely
@billd.83362 ай бұрын
I love the sound of an older Triumph Bonneville with the 360 crank. Sound is a matter of taste. It was a 2007 with a balancer shaft and had an extremely minimal amount of vibration.
@alvarocobo192 Жыл бұрын
Conocía esto, pero no había encontrado ningún video que hable de esto, muy bueno, pero hubiese gustado que muestres la diferencia de sonido entre cada motor, que es muy notable y suenan bien los 3!
@spritual_enlightenment Жыл бұрын
Very good job to explain.
@donshell9358 Жыл бұрын
Personally, I think the 360 best sounding, but you really can't beat the smoothness of the 270. Though I find the 270 to be rather generic sounding
@thirdiii171 Жыл бұрын
You come up to motorcycle becuase of the sound? Dude engineering of motorcycle is not about sound. If the engineer playing the position of the piston and its firing order it just because many dumb men like rumbling sounds and not care about durability,this is what company wants a dumb men just enjoying sound.
@chrishart8548 Жыл бұрын
@@dvdh4937 the 800 bmw engine is as smooth as a 4 cylinder below 4k. But it gets really buzzy after 5k. It's the trade off with the balancer rod dummy weight. It's actually a lot smoother than the 850 replacement with 270° crankshaft. The vibration is just spread out more across the rpm range with the 850cc
@devme20 Жыл бұрын
@@thirdiii171 bro he liked the sound of the engine and ya made a rant about it... Like wtf. Dude didn't talk about how 360 performance or anything, he just gave a innocent answer saying he prefers the 360 sound because he likes it. Like damn bro when you made this comment were you in a bad mood? Like damn bro.
@the_undecidead10 ай бұрын
@@thirdiii171 Yo! Why you so upset?
@ladamyre1 Жыл бұрын
I used to have a Honda CX500, but it's a different animal entirely. If I were to buy a new bike, I think I would get one of the Moto Guzzi twins.
@billd.83362 ай бұрын
Article fails to say that a 270 permits a lighter flywheel because the moving piston while the other is stationary supplies some flywheel effect. A lighter flywheel enhances acceleration.
@tallens5280 Жыл бұрын
Great info. I've been confused about this as the "parallel twin" is all the rage these days. I'm in the market for a new bike, so thanks.
@deltabluesdavidraye7 ай бұрын
They misname them .Calling 270 parallel
@kasperkjrsgaard14475 ай бұрын
The cylinder lines are parallel. Therefor a parallel twin regardles of 360˚, 180˚ or 270˚?
@stevebayross7248 Жыл бұрын
I had 3 Trx850s from 2000 to 2010 epic bike unloved at that time you could buy them for pennies.... Barn corner at Cadwell park is the place to understand the genius of the 270degree crank, it used to drive and slide beautifully & made a average rider look good.....
@HegelsOwl Жыл бұрын
Really? It effects handling?
@alm4132 Жыл бұрын
@@HegelsOwl For power slides it does!
@cliffont Жыл бұрын
Great explanatory video!
@i_am_samar Жыл бұрын
Wow, I have ridden GT650 twin, and engine feed back is too good. Thanks a ton
@anthonymoore4702 Жыл бұрын
Most of all, I liked your clear pronunciation.
@mechguy84592 жыл бұрын
So nicely explained parallel twin engine ❤️
@aungkaungmyat72472 жыл бұрын
Yeah, very helpful.
@chadkline4268 Жыл бұрын
Good video 😎👍 I'll take the 180. I wish boxers were used as an example too.
@chrishart8548 Жыл бұрын
Boxer is a 360° crank
@larryvanputten4048 Жыл бұрын
Great video! At last I understand how it works!
@mcfast52 Жыл бұрын
The Yamaha XS 650 did not have balance shafts, they vibrated a lot!
@rocodux Жыл бұрын
what I think is that I didn't understand a sht, but the video was very entertaining
@murraymarshall5865 Жыл бұрын
In line twin was generally used for a twin with the crank in line along rather than across the frame. Sunbeam S7 and S8 are examples.
@amitkandir3344 Жыл бұрын
very informative .. thanks
@danielleclare293811 ай бұрын
Inline means front to back so in line with the wheels. The crankshaft orientation is your way of knowing the difference. Front to back = inline. Left to right = transverse. TRANSVERSE is what a parallel twin is. Same as the straight 4 cylinder bikes all are TRANSVERSE not inline. Everyone gets that wrong these days. FWD cars have transverse engines and RWD cars have inline configuration...most of the time. Anyway inline means front to back not in a row!!!
@RenotSemaj7 ай бұрын
When I heard that, I thought that's not right and stopped the video to check to see if anyone else saw the error. I'm not much of a fan of these machine generated narrations
@KhoaLe-uc2ny5 ай бұрын
good info, thank you
@evanwilliams63524 ай бұрын
Inline refers to how the cylinders are aligned to each other. There is no orientation of an engine before it is installed. Transverse refers to how the engine is installed within a chassis. A Honda straight 4cyl is the same as a Nissan straight 4cyl, just that one is oriented differently in the chassis for FWD.
@YadugovindM Жыл бұрын
I am a proud owner of the motorcycle showcased at 0:14. Proud Yamaha RX100 owner.
@Kdood_Rider Жыл бұрын
Explained thoroughly and understood, thank you very much. 🙏🙏🙏
@the_undecidead10 ай бұрын
I have a 180 degree twin engine bike. It sounds like a sewing machine but I love it to bits. :)
@constantinosschinas4503Ай бұрын
Would be nice to have a noise comparison at the end.
@manojkumarsalugu4077 Жыл бұрын
Explained in detail , 👌. Thank you
@Big_DT Жыл бұрын
Excellent video, thank you for the explanations.
@sidneydawe99377 ай бұрын
My 1968 Honda cd175 Sloper twin has a 360 degree crank but there is only a little tingling that resonates through the handlebars. It does mean that only one set of contact breaker points is required so there is always a dead spark at TDC of the exhaust stroke.
@claudiosironi75917 ай бұрын
Remember. Honda Africa Twin had a V 52°engine !!!!! with cranks staggered at 72°. Fantastic technical stunt and practically no vibrations.
@uhtred78602 жыл бұрын
A crossplane crank was so named because viewed from the end the crank pin formed a plus sign, or cross. I don't know how a 270 degree twin can be a "crossplane", unless of course its just marketing BS. My old 96 Yamaha TRX 850 had the same 270 crank as the modern twins and no mention of "crossplane" was mentioned. Same goes for the CP-3 triple, it should be a "Starplane" crank, because it forms a star shape, like a Mercedes emblem, not a "cross".
@astrostrotch Жыл бұрын
Tbf to Yamaha, they call the 270 twins "crossplane philosophy" which imo is fair enough as they exhibit the same benefits as a true crossplane 4. I had a TRX back in the day and it was a funky fun engine just like the 689 motor is now. Totally agree about the triples though, they are not crossplane at all.
@LTLT900 Жыл бұрын
Yes starplane or y plane. Not crossplane
@Gnerko123 Жыл бұрын
I figure it is because one of the crank pins crosses the plane of the other rather than lying in the same plane.
@kasperkjrsgaard1447 Жыл бұрын
The inventor of the 270˚ crank, Phillip Irving called it “staggered crank”.
@Mr.6speed2002 жыл бұрын
I love mechanical+power+automobile + aerospace engineering
@OSOFLHP Жыл бұрын
Power vs torque I rode Norton for many years, now I ride Harley, both produce good amounts of torque, while I miss the power and handling of the Norton the comfort of the Harley makes it worth the trade,
@ginoasci28769 ай бұрын
My 2022 Triumph Scrambler 1200xc has the 270 degree configuration and sounds good and delivers plenty of power, but I prefer the high revving smooth inline fours.
@paulsparks8015 Жыл бұрын
Laverda made their Topped with 180 degree and 120 degree cranks. I have wondered if 90 degrees might have been way to go. The first mention I read of 90 degrees cranks was I bored out 872 cc Laverda twins.
@aitchr877010 ай бұрын
The Trixie TRX850 better in every way than a 90 degree v! honestly. The 5 five head revs out in a way a duke never could and its not just the timing pulses that make it sound great, those 5 valve heads make a unique induction sound. It is addictive.
@wolfganglenz75009 ай бұрын
Por eso yo amo mi TDM 850 4tx
@antoniocarlosacsjr712811 ай бұрын
Love the 270°s too, but... the 360° 800cc Rotax of my 2012 F800R screams in sync with my heart... 😂
@davidherrera24654 ай бұрын
Perfect Analisis 👉👍
@julieanddavidmyers66417 ай бұрын
Are there engine with both pistons firing at the same time on 360 crank?
@tomswoodturningchannel4826 ай бұрын
They fire at different times, on the 360 crank, every second stroke
@timhallas4275 Жыл бұрын
Both BMW and Moto Guzzi solved all these issues by making an "opposed" two cyl engine configuration. The pistons move in opposite directions as does the crank journals, thereby balancing the forces on the crankshaft. They can be fired at 360 or 180 degrees with very little vibration issues. These are the smoothest sounding and feeling twin cyl engines.
@gustavmeyrink_2.07 ай бұрын
BMW uses Boxer flat twins meaning both pistons go 'up' or 'down' the cylinder at the same time while Moto Guzzi uses a simple 90deg V. Very different engines. The other possible version of a flat twin would be a 180deg V. The difference being that in a Boxer configuration each piston has its own crank pin while in a 180deg V the pistons share a crank pin ie one piston goes 'up' while the other goes 'down'.
@garydavis22656 ай бұрын
Still have both pistons stopping at the same time plus it makes a super wide engine. Boxer twins are great motors but are not perfect,pick your poison.
@JM_Tushe2 жыл бұрын
A great question I never asked myself, thank you.
@fotisfotakis16232 ай бұрын
.the best video ever i see
@alphajed7700 Жыл бұрын
This is why Suzuki's Crossplane Twin has Double Cross Balancer in their GSX-8S and V-Strom 800DE to reduce vibration, a first in the motorcycle industry to put such Double Balancer.
@LS-uv9gg22 күн бұрын
The CB400 mentioned in this video (and it's differently named variants) were 360* that had Dual Counter Rotating Balancers, starting in 1978. I had a 1980 CB400T Hawk, and an '82 CB450T Hawk. The Honda NC750 series has a 270* crank with Dual Counter Rotating Balance shafts, starting in 2014.
@carlosbrites8201 Жыл бұрын
Very intersting video,thanks.
@truethought3693 ай бұрын
270 is best due to one piston moving at its fastest halfway point, as the other has to change direction. This keeps & helps it do that. Giving momentum! But, I still like the sound of the 360°.
@aungkaungmyat72472 жыл бұрын
I love ❤ Mechanical Engineering.
@user-dl5hl8uw2e Жыл бұрын
The Honda CB450 was available in two versions with 180° and 360° crankshaft angles. It seems that 180° was for export and 360° was for JDM.
@marvicrodriguez6354 Жыл бұрын
Also the Honda 305, differences type 1 and type2 ?
@mooglemy3813 Жыл бұрын
Your correct. The 180 was for export. The 360 was for domestic use. Ran into the 360s as they were imported by US mitary. Caused us probs for some repairs. Spark advancers were different in the two versions. Your the 1st person I recall to mention this. Good post.
@PrimoStracciatella11 ай бұрын
Not the CB450 but the 400. My first bike was a CB360, after that I had a 450 Nighthawk. Both had 180° cranks. Then I moved up to a XS650 and really liked the vibration of the engine.
@emiliobcn1611 Жыл бұрын
I have a Honda CB 500 from 1993. Anybody knows which configuration is using ? Probably 180 °.
@zombabeger Жыл бұрын
my bike is 360 and it doesnt have that much powet or top speed.. the sound is awesome though... it can go as fast as 120km/hr and it vibrating like crazy and also, there is no more room left to pull the throttle... the ride at normal speed is super smooth and comfy... i wonder how to make the 360 combust at the same time so it will be just like single cylinder bike? if there is a way i would like to try on my bike
@IFILMcoolTHINGS7 ай бұрын
I have a lifan straight twin it sounds sick🔥
@zuppowert Жыл бұрын
I like the boxer engine @ 3:54 :-)
@williammuir638 Жыл бұрын
Great explanation. 180 and 270 require more parts to reduce vibs. A low reving 360 in engines upto max of 750 cc is probably most sensible, as its cheaper to manufacture and simpler with less moving parts. Simple is reliable is economical is practical.
@vicent436 Жыл бұрын
Less moving parts? A 360 would need more and more balance axes.
@acorredorv Жыл бұрын
@@vicent436 its really no different to 180 and 270, all of them need a balancer for higher displacements. The only real advantages the 360 twins had were for the simplicity of the ignition as they allowed wasted spark systems and the single carburetor.
@karlavelo2482 Жыл бұрын
It's been tried, not reliable (Norton, Triumph, Royal Enfield) : mode self destruct engaged. Hence 650 max for a 360° parallel twin without balancers ...
@650Max Жыл бұрын
@@karlavelo2482 High comp 750cc big-bore and a lumpy cam is absolutely fine with a 360 crank, just make sure you've got accurate sparks and carbs balanced. Replacing the 45yo rubber mounts for handlebars and footpegs makes a difference as well.
@windingdriveway Жыл бұрын
@@karlavelo2482 I ride my 850 Commando all the time, it's great fun and with the Isolastics sorted vibes are minimal.
@andysoo77123 ай бұрын
like the 270 engine sounds
@whoflungdung1487 Жыл бұрын
Can't go wrong with the sound of a 270 on the yamaha mt-07 such a sweat sound
@turbosteve84Ай бұрын
Ryan F9 claims the expensive-to-manufacture 285 degree crank is the best alternative. Currently, only KTM employs it and it's reflected in the price of the bike.
@JensAddictions Жыл бұрын
Interesting. Largely, if I twist the throttle and the bike goes vrooooom, I don't think about it too much!
@agl192511 ай бұрын
@JensAddictions - sure, you twist and it goes vroom - but if you are a racer, understand the vid - you can extend the idea to 4cylinders and will choose a V-four to win your races (rather than an old-style flat 4 - which have problems balancing out the secondary forces).
@jeffpiper743011 ай бұрын
have a couple of xs650 yams , 1 rephased to 277 and 1 original , the difference in vibration is amazing , havent ridden 270 conversion as a lot more expensive and complicated ,cant compare performance as the rephased motor has a lot done to it .. eg.. now 750cc
@karaagacalican9 ай бұрын
Is it fair to say that 180* crank lay out seems like bicycle pedals but 270* lay out is like a horses running pattern (consider front legs as one unit and back ones another) ?
@kd350 Жыл бұрын
Don't write off 180 deg cranks just yet. Of course all my two stroke twins are thusly set up. I'm assuming fans of two-seventies are running their engines mostly below ten grand rpm. My 2020 VersysX 300 however howls up to 13,000 and up above 8-9 rpm, the exhaust note is quite racy. The video neglects to mention that two seventies have more pumping loss vs. 180s. Perhaps an important factor in a motor that only squeezes out 16 ft/lbs of torque at 10k.
@royalenfieldcaferoots Жыл бұрын
Nice 270° ! Excelent.
@GbMuthu7 ай бұрын
A bullet purchase is made from the heart not the head. It really is not a rational decision. 😅 Can't say the same about the continental GT twin though. Its 270° crankshaft angle means no dead centers or a seamless firing order.😍
@hector4244 Жыл бұрын
270 NICE SOUND!!!
@kiranjetty Жыл бұрын
super good information
@PhilbyFavourites Жыл бұрын
Tedious but effective, I think I’ve sat too long in an Open University lecture……
@bihunsup5077 Жыл бұрын
that mean 2 piston engine can be many profile sound. can be sound like 1 piston,2 piston,4 piston and v twin engine that why i love 2 piston motorcycle engine
@judealexander2 ай бұрын
I have shotgun 650 with 270 deg config it’s awesome
@kingtheking1234 Жыл бұрын
So, which engine should I choose?
@tpv59 Жыл бұрын
Thank You. APPRECIATED.
@wanr5701 Жыл бұрын
270 degree crank is essentially half-crossplane design. Which makes me think; Is it possible to have inline four with 270 degree crank by putting two parallel twin with 270 crank alongside each other in the same arrangement?
@wazzzappening4848 Жыл бұрын
The 270 degree Twin has the best power characteristics and sound. Also it's compactness is perfect for any application. Even in large capacity twins with a long strokes. The future of this format looks awesome. For the introduction of camless ultra compact head design. From Freevalve technology. Imagine a Super Tenere short stroke 1500 with ultimate computerised valve control. 190 HP @ 9000 RPM & 170 NM @ 5000 RPM conservatively achieverble. Programmable with any lift,duration and timing desired in conjunction with totally adjustable ignition and fuel timing and mapping? The BMW 1250 GS Adventurer and the Ducati V4 Multistrada along with the KTM 1290 Super Adventurer S would be put into prehistoric obsolescence overnight. One of these manufacturers will have to make this move sooner than later. Will it be the Europeans or the Japanese? 😊
@cagr42497 ай бұрын
Oha - your technical explanations are wrong, surely the consequence of missing knowledge in engine construction. Except in a side-valve-design NO brand (neither European nor Japanese nor Martian... 🤣) would ever introduce freevalve-technology in a series engine. For racing oK, but for all over purposes impracticable - same situation as with electrically operated brake systems.
@rollthers3157 Жыл бұрын
Excellent! 😀
@mateszarka11587 ай бұрын
V-twin if 2 cilinder, or boxer. The inline design is best for 4.
@captarmour9 ай бұрын
What about a 90 degree firing order? Should be a bit like a "Twingle" and work like a "Big Bang", which may be a torquer and give good traction...
@DayvidSchricker11 ай бұрын
Could you theoretically covert for example an 180 into a 360? Might be a dumb question but…
@siknudsen11 ай бұрын
You forgot my Super Tenere 😤
@dwilt622 Жыл бұрын
Hondas Big bang death trap!! Rode many years & well riding the big bang flat out is indescribably exhilarating. It is also flat out dangerous for newbies. The problem was cornering on throttle, the tire would lose traction from the torque. Which was unsettling running carbs you would get use to it then atmosphere would change day 2 day n you'd get a lil surprise 😅. If it was fuel injected i would like to see if it helps. I remember one specific time I took it out after a lil 🌧 yea you can forget that. #Deathtrap
@Guillaume_F6 ай бұрын
Do you know a motorbike equipped with a 250 cm3 engine at 270° ?
@alansharif91592 ай бұрын
_360* degree parallel twin is best, sounds like a inline 4 engine moreover the firing order is perfect_
@geraldselvey7687 Жыл бұрын
Was the Yamaha trx 850 the first mass produced 270?
@lsh3rd Жыл бұрын
@1:49... why could you not work in the term "blows the exhaust out" to complete suck, squeeze, bang, blow?!?