Strongest In Dragon Ball - Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta

[@armandomorfin3845]

You have to admit SSJ4 Gogeta is one of if not the Best thing to come out of Dragon Ball GT

[@uiyasser]

It is the best

[@emperor5919]

Armando Morfin I like gt

[@enho1786]

Armando Morfin yeah that was the only thing good beside Ssj4 design

[@michaelsweiss4638]

Armando Morfin aye captain autismo it was in dbz first

[@jmac28211]

Yeah Gogeta didn't come from GT

[@batfreeze56]

No matter what, Dragon Ball GT will always have a special place in my heart.

[@MAXSHOT95]

Gogeta super sayain 4 still looks the most badass hands down

[@moejohnson8459]

Absolutely!!!

[@Wahyuaditya-xk4zb]

SSB is trash

[@Invisibleboy999]

@@Wahyuaditya-xk4zb no one even said anything about ssb

[@Wtf._.0rlando]

Ssj4 looks badass for real

[@TetraBBM]

Id have to disagree about his arrogance, just like how Vegito was provoking Buu to absorb him to save the others. Gogeta was provoking Omega Shenron to use the negative Karma ball so that he can convert it to positive energy to fix the planet. Notice how he got way more serious once the planet was no longer surrounded in such negative energy

[@cityguard4847]

TetraBBM It’s just the buu fight redone.... but they were both awesome

[@cityguard4847]

TetraBBM Also, the zamasu vs Vegito fight was proof that Vegito is NEVER gonna take a fight as seriously as he should.

[@genya3162]

TetraBBM how on earth would gogeta know that omega shenron have that ability anyway?

[@genya3162]

City Guard how? He was barely loosing at all if even at all he clearly throughout the entire battle was stronger or at least had better feats such as the spirit sword

[@firefly_0619]

City Guard Vegito is serious in his fight with Zamasu. Zamasu's power is equal to Vegito and his immortal

[@rindenking1387]

Isn't the reason why Gogeta didn't kill Omega is because he wanted him to use the negative ball attack so he can reverse it's polarity to counter act the negative energy created by the Dragon ball on earth? That's how I remember the reason is.

[@genya3162]

Rinden King how could gogeta know about the karma ball omega shenron in no way hinted he had that ability

[@ThePlasticBowl]

Well it's just a guess on my part but If he killed Omega I would assume the negative energy he created around the earth would just leave anyway. Kicking the ball was probably just a more fun way to do it.

[@ashpharahreaper2069]

No the reason why gogeta didn't kill omega shenron is due to the fusion meaning the ssj4 fusion ran out before they had the chance

[@jamainegardner4193]

@@ThePlasticBowl nah that Negative energy would've remained even after Omega died. Only Omega or a Spirit Bomb could've undone it,and there's no way either could have done it.

[@BluuDemon]

Genya no he’s right tho tbh

[@caseyjones8246]

People need to understand there are 2 cannon timelines. The Toriyama timeline And the Toeai timeline.

[@goodshow2970]

Right, Manga and Anime has their own version but both are canon

[@young_shaad5227]

@Faze Gohan Not really it was only stated that a saiyan like goku fought freeza and showed a picture of bardock yes in his z armor but other than that the story wasn't really retconned at all

[@ivyhereuwu]

There isn't a definitive "canon" for the Dragon Ball series. The most you could say is "canon" in Dragon Ball are the original volumes of the manga

[@MakenaForest]

@@ivyhereuwu and even that falls apart at super

[@ivyhereuwu]

@@MakenaForest Yup. The Dragon Ball series is just fucked when it comes to continuity or even attempting to make one that makes sense

[@deenitish]

Sssj4 gogeta is the best transformation ever...he is so badass

[@BirdieSenpai]

I was always under the impression that Gogeta toyed with the One Star Dragon in order to provoke him into using the Minus Energy Karma Ball in order to be able to rid Earth of the negative energy coating it, much like how Vegetto provoked Boo into absorbing him in order to free his absorbed allies. If I remember correctly, after explaining to the One Star Dragon what he had done with regard to the Minus Energy Karma Ball, Gogeta proceeded to use the Big Bang Kamehame-Ha in order to finish the One Star Dragon off.

[@randomwave_999]

My boy gogeta 4 was indeed the strongest fighter to come out from GT.. I remember the whole hype about him from way back then..

[@ryanjones6902]

super saiyan 4 gogeta forever

[@QaamansLand]

Pepperoni Pizza

[@mr.valentine6780]

Detective Q B O N E L E S S?

[@onyx6547]

sup q?

[@kingbayo123]

wassup Detective Q

[@rileyfreeman3376]

BBQ WINGS

[@justintee1932]

Detective Q fucking racist.

[@Wtf._.0rlando]

1.Petition to make ssj4 and the dragon fist canon 2. Vegito embarrasses his opponents, while Gogeta, doesn't make his opponents breathe

[@DonardoHenry]

I just wanted to say, I love the production value of these videos, I see the effort and I applaud the use of changing visuals

[@HustlingBird]

With Gogeta, I always thought it was implied that he was messing around purely to goad Omega into using his Negative Karma Ball, so he could use it to cure the Earth of it's plight. Because after that he basically went to the 'Fun is not allowed' Gogeta of Fusion Reborn.

[@ryleykonyn3758]

dude this was such a good video your def up there with my fav youtubers keep it up man

[@chocalato4955]

People underestimate gogeta 😤

[@josephp95]

Severely underestimate gogeta He's the "perfect" fighter Super badass

[@tatsuostatic8567]

We can all agreed that SSJ4 Gogeta design is better than Super Saiyan God and Blue

[@God-no6bm]

Tatsuo Static Agree I Don't Like GT But I love SSJ4 Better Than SSJB But I Like Aura SSJB More Than SSJ4

[@Gorypaladin346]

Tatsuo Static it was the only cool thing to come out of gt.

[@BRYANFROST]

SSJ 4 Gogeta vs. Jiren in a staring contest

[@naram-sinofakkad3156]

$100 PPV? ...I'll watch it

[@adityahegde4560]

Now that's something I wanna watch

[@suvendusekhar5446]

SSJ 4 can easily win that. They single handendly gave him tough contest.

[@soap8667]

SUVENDU Sekhar nope sorry, jiren kept up with MUI goku

[@berzerk9380]

Jiren. Easily

[@rambokills2750]

I really like the design of ssj4, really fits the legendary aspects from the legends

[@rockinHurley777]

Bout time someone agrees! Ss4 gogeta all day!💪😎

[@frostbite2093]

Yup finally

[@kingshaftd.]

Perfect cuz the SSJ4 Gogeta banner just dropped yesterday in Dokkan EDIT; THANK YOU GUYS FOR SO MANY LIKES!! :)

[@x5STARxCRIB]

BannerGaming nigga is hard to pack

[@chruiss-]

ssj4 gogeta can eat my ass with his lead "to be released" would be funny is they changed it from the jp one

[@TheSaiyanSensation]

BannerGaming I pulled two

[@x5STARxCRIB]

I have both goku & vegeta ss4 I just need him

[@richardthelionheart8656]

BannerGaming 1000 stones and I didn't pull him Unfucking believable bad luck Deleted the app will come back in a few months

[@IkeCrimson]

Yo Geekdom, I personally think Gogeta was acting like he did because he was baiting out the negative karma ball to reverse it. After he did that he tried to end it with a big bang kamehameha.

[@cityguard4847]

And this is why I love GOATGeta! He is the strongest!

[@skullripper8780]

I like ssb vegito but man i like ssj4 gogeta way better

[@DesiRiderSameer]

SSj 4 gogeta I find to be the most Well designed character It just looks epic

[@nickk6501]

I love the explanation for ss4. The body transformation and design are amazing.

[@Ringworm1281]

Don't forget his party popper attack. He can literally create matter out of nothing.

[@Raven3934]

False. Gogeta was arrogant to make omega desperate to use the carma ball and then to purify it to get rid of the negative energy surrounding the earth. After this he then proceeded to kill omega with the big bang kamehameha

[@Neronova888]

Actually it is heavily implied that the reason gogeta was goofing off was to again piss off his opponent for his own benefit, in this case being using omegas own karma ball to purify it and get rid of all that negative energy he had spread

[@Lyserg1260]

Gogeta had no reason??? *BULLSHIT* He wanted Omega to launch his most powerful attack. If it wasn't for Gogeta, there would be NO spirit bomb, because Earth was separated from the rest of universe until Gogeta cleaned all the negative energy.

[@pikafanfan9405]

Lyserg1260 how would gogeta Know his most powerful attack would even reverse the affects. There was no previous implication that Omega Shenron even had the karma ball. Not my argument but still a valid one

[@Bornheck]

PikaFan Fan Because Gogeta DID know that Omega could control negative energy. All he needed was to piss off Omega enough for him to release a large amount of it in some way, which happened to be the Karma Ball

[@coolbeans3752]

Gogeta was Jiren before Jiren was even thought of end of story.

[@manniefresh2022]

He is the best transformation and character to come out of anything dragonball related after dragon ball z.

[@The-Beyonder]

You made a big mistake. Gogeta didn't use his eyes to attack Omega Shenron, it appears that way but in reality he was just too fast for anyone to see, this is explained in the show. Rookie error but still love you

[@kishuuudas683]

Geekdom A Rookie? Danny ain't a Rookie bruh! He knows what he is Talking. Go watch the fight again, the first attack after they fuse was with his eyes. The Second attack when Omega came too close was made by his hands and it was too fast. His third attack had it slowed down, so that he can Watch it. "three hard punches and all you got is A Bloody Nose!"

[@petreflorinteodor1986]

nigga einstein- the second atack was a slower verson of the first. with fists, not eyes !

[@kishuuudas683]

Petre Florin lol You don't Know what you're talking about. Gogeta's First Attack was with his eyes. Second was with his Hands (Basically too fast to see). His third attack was Slowed. Go home. You ain't got a Single idea about the fight. Just Watch again and Come back to say (If You have anything to say that is).

[@petreflorinteodor1986]

Nigga Einsten ok I will watch again !

[@thi.m3233]

FOU-Champion23228 Jiren fought like Gogeta.

[@dylanatot30]

Thanks for all the Dragon Ball coverage Geekdom. The hype is real. Old busted Hotness and new fire. Love it all.

[@danielbloch6289]

Dbfz has actually confirmed ssj4 transformation to be ON the same level of power as ssj blue.

[@allthingsanime7413]

dbfz is in the dragon ball heroes cannon

[@trappedcosmos]

I'n that universe yes, if we're comparing gt to super than ssj4 is stronger

[@JhnnySSJ]

My boi If only he can come to Super I would be complete

[@acejupiter1777]

RoséGogeta Yesss!!!!

[@chruiss-]

i doubt ssj4 would be need but gogeta in the tournament of power is definitely there

[@chocalato4955]

RoséGogeta ya

[@stevenbass9416]

SSJ God Gogeta has a better ring to it...

[@willb2993]

Are you kidding me? ssBlue Vegito wouldn't even touch ss4 gogeta

[@user-kr1bu1sh3u]

When vegito blues fan see the title:T R I G G E R E D When they watch the video: geekdom not including super Vegito blue fans:okay good

[@sageblaze1951]

Worst Comedian bro you're the worst comedian

[@minidashman]

BLAZE ikr the worst!

[@BradJenkins1456]

Worst Comedian lol that's literally me, I still like Gogeta though, but not as much as Vegito

[@patience1926]

Lol I was the same. And I'm a fan of both Gogeta and Vegito, but its certain SSJ4 is not stronger than blue. Then Geekdom101 specified we're not including super.

[@pasdan4985]

Worst Comedian you could legit argue ssj4 gogeta vs vegito blue and make arguments for both sides; for example omega shenron is universe level due to his negative energy and was completely roflstomped by gogeta but vegito was a lot stronger than fused zamasu; in the end this argument will never be settled

[@thatonedude2159]

SS4 is the shit Much better than SSB

[@thatonedude2159]

Pretty sure this is gonna drown in the comments so yea...

[@chupapi3259]

Hooded Venus nope it didn't drown in comments

[@lll_Number_One]

Hooded Venus ikr

[@TRIL3X]

SSJ4 looks cooler. SSJB is stronger.

[@brolybanderas42]

Yeah, a pink panter who is x10 stronger than SSJ3 is leagues beyond SSJB.

[@claypye]

Awesome job! really enjoying this slideshow style video :)

[@jameskertenian6132]

Gogeta was only irrogant because he wanted shenron to uae karma ball. After he did he got serious

[@genya3162]

James Gamer how tf could gogeta know about the karma ball omega shenron in no way at all hinted that he had it not to anyone

[@jetgatling723]

I don’t think that’s the case goku said they become more cocky primitive and reckless much less a fusion I think that’s why

[@adityahegde4560]

@@genya3162 gogeta knows that he uses negative energy as a power source so it was pretty obvious that he could use the negative energy in at least one attack

[@allendrake6960]

@@jetgatling723 That seems true for Vegito, but the only previous appearance of Gogeta (Fusion Reborn) totally contradicts that claim. During his brief appearance against Janemba, he was almost completely silent, largely emotionless, and straight-to-the-point. Zero display of cockiness. Ssj4 Gogeta's personality is contradictory, _especially_ considering the fact that the Ssj4 form in general is largely portrayed as more serious.

[@jamainegardner4193]

@@allendrake6960 No, he's just doing that because otherwise Earth was actually fucked.

[@xshadow_28x95]

I like the theory that super saiyan 4 gogeta has God ki.

[@lapplandkun9273]

it wouldn't be possible, because goku and vegeta in the gt timeline didn't have god ki, so why would their fusion have it?

[@shreyaskadam7633]

@@lapplandkun9273 u certainly don't know about the theory then

[@lapplandkun9273]

@@shreyaskadam7633 I do, because it's not real. Godly ki has never been invented back when GT came out because toriyama didn't think of it back then. If you really want to go far and say that there was godly ki in GT, then it only has appeared in GT in the form of ki sensing by the kais, who were able to detect beerus's and whis's ki in dragon ball super.

[@shreyaskadam7633]

@@lapplandkun9273 ikr, and thats why it is called theory.

[@ThatGuy-a48]

@@shreyaskadam7633 theory fanfiction same thing right?

[@mr.fresh2066]

Gogeta ssj4 is a beats, he's one of my favorite characters

[@TheZoan007]

Gogeta wasnt being arrogant for no reason ! He was absorving the negative energy created by Omega all over the world during the time of their fight. The problem was the he was unaware of the time limitation of this form

[@CaffeinatedWolfe]

SS4 Gogeta is easily my favorite character and design in all of Dragon Ball. I had no idea that Potara fusion was stronger than the Fusion Dance. What's the deal with SS4 Xeno Vegito, then? Would he be more powerful than the SS4 Gogeta that we know?

[@chloelittle7036]

Theoretically all GT forms should blow any DBS form out of the water because (if they take place in the same timeline or universe) gt would take place after super but it's a shame the fanbase at large doesn't consider gt canon

[@YoYo-qf4ud]

There's no definitive canon in DB.

[@ladyaceina]

gogeta was aiming to purify the earth he even shows this saying after the earth is cleansed of negative energy "now the only thing left is to defeat you" then goes on the attack after that

[@JJMomoida]

I really liked the SSJ4 form and do wish it was canon somehow. I just like its overall design. I like that it's like a hybrid form that appears to be half-way through transforming into a great ape. In this, I like that its design doesn't simply follow the already-established SSJ design of blue eyes and blonde hair.

[@ByeByeBirdieShawty]

They fuse while in SSJ4 and not in base form..so that means they are definelty the strongest fusion. Elder kai said never fuse while transformed it might disrupt the fusion.. but it turns out Gogeta SSJ4 came out perfect..and the ki output has to be better than blue due to the fact they had 10-15 min than the normal 30 that blue used against broly

[@oceanstar2294]

SSB Gogeta towers high above SS4 Gogeta, no way he'll get on his level.

[@flipzside77ofdragonballand28]

I'm impressed with how long SSJ4 Gogeta's title as the strongest in DB was. Thats a very good record.

[@MonkeSama]

gt and the movies being connected makes sense because vegeta and goku dont make any mistakes in the fusion dance either like the did in fusion reborn and super broly

[@damiankilsby277]

Hey Geekdom, can you do a video on who would be more powerful out of Vegito Blue and Super Saiyan 4 Vegito?

[@genya3162]

Damien James geekdom ain’t a power scaler Seth the programmer made a vid like that tho so go check it out

[@amihere383]

In the new super dragon ball heroes I think it was definitively decided that ssj4 gogeta was more powerful. They both go against an evil saiyan who corrupts ki on contact, and after ssb vegito got his cheeks clapped and nearly got killed ssj4 gogeta came and kind of beat the evil saiyan.

[@stubetsgamer8288]

@@amihere383 It was ssj4 vegito not gogeta 😂😂

[@momotru6847]

@@stubetsgamer8288 most definitely wuz gogeta not vegito gotta watch it from tha beginning

[@stubetsgamer8288]

@@momotru6847 no that was vegito They used potara not the dance

[@cheilin80]

Ss4 gogeta vs jiren who will win

[@glokublack5110]

JøÉ M the fandom

[@crixstix46]

JøÉ M krillin

[@shaq_869]

Gloku Black 👏👏👏

[@shgahdahdfjsfjhsdfjdsfjsd1505]

Probably Gogeta because super is between z and gt but with all the new shit in super gt starts to fit less and less in the story.

[@michaelkeppler5631]

Gt has literally been stated by Toriyama as a side story, not canon. The boost SSG/SSB gave in Super far surpasses GT lol

[@sheldonangel4466]

Gogeta actually was playing around with Omega so he could use the minus energy ball to rid the earth of all the negative energy, remember when he fired it back with his own ki - that's what he was waiting on (he's still childish regardless lol).

[@danielinskip8427]

Ayyyy Geekdom, big fan of your videos' in my opinion you're one of the best dbz chat people on KZbin if not the best....I probs should subscribe, in fact I will after I finish writing this comment. What do you think teh god multiplyers are on top of the super saiyan ones?

[@-RedHood-]

SSJ4 Gogeta is an absolute multiversal monster. Imagine him with a x10 Kamehameha or the broken Dragon Fist.

[@jaygonzalez8575]

Idgaf what anybody says ssj4 and ssg3 are WAAAAY fucking BETTER looking than ssjgod and ssgssblue

[@bradznkw]

Ssj God is more better looking for me🤷🏾

[@omegabossking]

Great video and yes. GT base Goku is insanely powerful lmao

[@Steelbleeder]

When's Farmer with Shotgun gonna get his own video?

[@BUGHUNTER6]

The thing with fusion is - and this is how I feel like it works - that when it happens, it's not just their bodies mashing into one. It's also their skill adding up AND multiplying. Why does it multiply? When two pieces of information connect, new information arises. Surely, it would work the same way with skill. That explains why a fusion between two characters can result in a different power boost than a fusion between another set of characters.

[@allthingsanime7413]

this is also probably why the fusions have moves like final kamehameha and big bang kamehameha

[@BUGHUNTER6]

@@allthingsanime7413 Exactly :D

[@chippweagaming6662]

You got the voice of Vegeta to do something for your Channel. That's Godly

[@chippweagaming6662]

Redman A understandable but still badass

[@energy6960]

I'd just like to say it wasn't his eyes, he did three super fast punches

[@ułttimate]

You're here because of fighterz

[@thetannernation]

SSJ4 Gogeta is stronger than the Super characters

[@coletomlinson5190]

TheTannerNation at best he’s SSJG Goku

[@livingashtree1942]

Cole Tomlinson No. Goku base GT was SSJ3 Goku Z Goku GT SSJ3 > Goku SSG Goku GT SSJ4 = Goku SSB Gogeta SSJ4 = Vegito SSB

[@sandroboi263]

Zeno

[@ivanli5184]

Lol XD 😂

[@markymark5198]

@@livingashtree1942 you must be high. Super characters are WAAAY stronger then gt characters. Ssj4 gogeta would equal to ssj3 goku in super at best and im high balling it. God powers ssj god and ssj blue etc. Are a complete different level from regular super saiyans. Which is why only Goku and Vegeta are the only saiyans known to reach god teir forms.

[@TomMorbeck]

Great videos as always man! Listen, i have a question i've always wanted to ask you. Since Dragon ball and Saint Seiya both have the most OP characters in the history of anime, do you think that could be possible for a crossover to happen? Oh and which characters do you think are stronger? Saiyans or Saints?

[@Valkris84KT]

It's funny cause my favorites Banpresto Figures are usully the ss4 versions of Goku, Vegeta, and Gogeta. SS4 was just so primal, and felt more like an evolution vs just a hair/aura color swap. I kinda hope in the future of super, Time Travel or Time Lines in general are explored more to make GT's content relevant even if for fan service.

[@gensischronicles1148]

Imagine if gogeta self destructed releasing ALL of his energy at once kinda like vegeta against buu... He would probably wipe out the entire multiverse lol

[@whatsupbossanova]

I don't see how base form Vegito or Super Vegito could defeat a singular ssj4, as Base goku from Gt is stronger than Buu, I'd at least see him tangle with SSJ1 or 2 Goku from GT. Also Gogeta SSJ4 could definitely beat Blue Vegito.

[@originated712]

Wrong buddy (honestly please don't reply im already in a debate with someone about this lol)

[@bradznkw]

@@originated712 lmfao who? Let me help please😂🤣👏

[@originated712]

Bradley TenshiXVII I can’t remember his name but he stopped replying or I just didn’t get notifications

[@bradznkw]

@@originated712 ahh okay🤔 But if he appears, i would love to help then

[@palmtop_studios]

@@bradznkw Me as well!

[@theskieshavefallen8408]

I always thought Jirens eye thing was an homage to Gogeta doing it to Omega.

[@starblaststudios]

Perfect video for the celebration of gogeta in dragon ball z dokkan battle

[@XxXEMoeXxX]

Okay, I've been watching your videos for a few days, and in that time; I've heard your Beerus impression, and for this video it was your Vegeta impression. I will say, your Vegeta is pretty good, but your Beerus is much, much better.

[@b-conn6624]

When people try to discuss Canon in Dragon ball lololol. It was written by a guy that forgets his own ideas and stories half the time. Idk if anything is really "canon" after the original dragon ball.

[@carlosantelo7771]

3:48 nah b. He was trying to get the negative energy from Xing to covert it into positive and clear the skies. Thats why he was pissing him off @Geekdom101

[@hamza361]

Goku states first form bebi Vegeta is the strongest ki he has ever felt this already puts him above ssj Vegetto. Not sure why the animanga states ssj vegetto > or equal to ssj4 as this is a direct contradiction to the anime.

[@Sun-cg6lv]

Hamza Adrees yeah GT Goku pre ssj4 is equal to Vegito in my opinion if not stronger

[@roshan3203]

Hamza Adrees he said awesome ki not strongest

[@hamza361]

Yes, but based on Goku's personality this must mean strongest. "This is the most awesome ki I've ever felt".

[@enho1786]

Hamza Adrees spell vegito right first and its not fact that vegito ssj1 stronger than Ssj4 goku.

[@soulsurj4782]

The real B Y he did spell it right.

[@thepurge6254]

If I were to be Gogeta : Instant Transmission , Dragon Punch , Sanitised my hands from possible Corona Virus , Grab a quick snack and drink , the end .

[@nothingtoseehere9648]

. . . uh, what?

[@zeldapro18]

Love it. Anytime you mention GT in a video its always said your not talking canon or not.

[@tomascontreras11]

it's simple, Look at the aura differences between Vegito Blue & Super Saiyan Gogeta 4 that will tell you who is arguably stronger, Plus Gogeta hardly needs to move a finger to attack his opponents.

[@c_silivaeditz676]

Everyone knows if GOGETA SSJ4 vs MUI for 10 mins gogeta ssj4 would win hands down

[@thanosmamakis2781]

SSJ4 Gogeta's red hair = Aciddental Super Saiyan God xD

[@magentapurpleyap5566]

Actually toriyama don't check the color pallete, so that's what happened.

[@vantiramen9431]

Don't start

[@75JUNAKI]

Magentapurple YAP Oh bruh so Gogeta was suppose to have brownish hair with orange red fur then?

[@Nugget1-l2s]

I'm constantly watching this dude's videos 😂🔥🔥🔥

[@erie0018]

Right on Mr. Great content!

[@nefertaricobra8753]

I think SS4 is the perfect form that is more suitable to be used as an SSG form, because the process of achieving that form is very complicated which must involve the Tail of Saiyan and the help of Moonlight in order to achieve that form ... And not only that, SS4 is a form that can last hours in battle even when the Ki is already drained Can you calculate how many losses Goku experienced in SSG and SSB mode? And if it wasn't for KaioKen and Ultra Instinict who played a role then could you imagine what the fate of Universe 7 was? Instead of having to create SSG and SSB whose changes only change hair color, then why not just enter SS4 into the story? Where the form of SS4 is used as a form whose strength exceeds the strength of the Gods

[@dafreshprincestolemehbitch6340]

Perfect Copy I’d leave a legendary form like SSJ4 away from shitty Dragon Ball Super.

[@powerjolt7215]

SSJ4 is TOO good for Dragon ball super!!

[@RagingRevine]

@@powerjolt7215 I agree. Theres a lot of things people miss about SSJ4 as well. Goku explained that the SSj4 body actually creates its own counter to abilities. That no attack can work twice against it. So, not only is the forms stamina INSANE and doesn't take a lot of Ki to maintain, the power is even insane with it BUT it also comes with that crazy ability to adjust to almost ANY circumstance.

[@RagingRevine]

@@powerjolt7215 Like, the creation of SSJ4 is AMAZING. Because the form literally comes from the Saiyans origins, which is the Great Ape ( normally the pinnacle of a saiyans power ) and their tail. So what better to have the best and final Super Saiyan form...then have it be derived from their very essence and origin.

[@powerjolt7215]

@@RagingRevine YEAH!!

[@thrillking7228]

So does this mean that ssj4 is stronger than ssb, because if what you said is true...then ssj4 Gogeta sounds waaaaayyyy stronger than ssb Vegetto. Then again the power scaling in super is stupid. Vegetto fights merged Zamasu and is significantly (but not overwhelming) stronger. After fusion wears off...Goku is holding his own by himself. Comments anyone?

[@DracoSafarius]

Pretty sure the entirety of that fight Zamasu was like falling apart, so his max power kept dropping. Could be wrong, but that's at least how I looked at it.

[@sontheboss]

You mean Trunks. Goku and vegeta got one shotted when they defused unless you mean the manga.

[@vagabond8094]

Black Goku I'm pretty sure he means the manga, if not then he might be talking about goku kaioken fucking mz up.

[@Obi1k._]

Rameez Ahmad how do u know

[@maskedsaiyan1527]

Rameez Ahmad exactly

[@jonahpeltier3401]

Ugh, he didn't use his eyes 😂 he was just moving so fast that nobody could see lmao he even told Omega that he'll slow it down

[@lorikcitka7135]

no when he slowed down, he was talking about the kick when omega was close to him. He really damaged him by just looking at him 😂

[@will_tallberg1482]

i love the video geekdom but rewatching it and seeing that seth shout out is so funny that aged like my grandma

[@oluabz]

This video makes Ssj4 Gogeta sound like a night mare and when geekdom said ssj4 vegito I legit shit my pants😂

[@aytgh]

What if Toriyama, Toyotaro and Toei decided that GT was canon as one of the alternate timelines that go with one of the time rings? They could have an arc after Universe Survival Arc where Super characters meet GT characters SSB Goku, SSJ4 Goku, SSB Vegeta and SSJ4 Vegeta fighting a strong opponent side-by-side

[@vaporouselm9932]

sounds like some dragon ball hero's shit oh wait

[@magentapurpleyap5566]

Interesting but SDBH ruined this idea.

[@jakeluginbuhl9960]

I don't know if this has ever been discussed and clarified, but, if you look at the situation with math, then SS4 Gogeta would be more powerful then even SSB Vegito. Let me explain: When They became Vegito, Goku and Vegita were both in base form and THEN leveled up to SSB. When they formed Gogeta to fight against Omega Shenron, that was not the case. Goku and Vegita were both already in SS4 form when they merged. So that would mean SS4xSS4 equaling More like SS16, because we have a 4 times a 4. And I always was interested in why when they created SS4 Gogeta, his hair was different then when Goku and Vegita were SS4. He physically looked different, and that usually only happens with a level up. I could be spilling BS right now, I don't know. Thoughts/confirmations?

[@wynaut.zoidberg8552]

Jake Luginbuhl wrong the fusion dance mulyiplier you have given is wrong it would actually be (ssj4 + ssj4) x 80

[@wynaut.zoidberg8552]

As stated in the daizenshu

[@vluverr]

What if the end of super is the beginning of gt? It wouldn't make much sense but what if ssj4 is the predecessor of ssgss

[@GokuInfintysaiyan]

You missed on slight detail man Gogeta isn't arrogant, he was playing with Omega to force him to use the negative karma ball so he could purify the earth by turning it into positive energy. After that he started to look pretty serious but couldn't finish omega due to him running out of power as the fusion ran down in time

[@royjhamand]

Super Saiyan 4 was the highest level a saiyan can obtain. This was explained by Vegeta when Goku arrived on Namek.

[@christianflores3913]

Damn never even knew that I’m going to have to watch that

[@Thriftcandy-wk3ri]

Who want a arc where Goku and Vegeta lose their God power's (Because Whis told them to not depend on ssjb to fight and then take their God power's away) and then transform into ssj4 and then they get their God power's back at the end of the arc.

[@jamesbond146]

That's an amazing idea

[@FYAHWEHL]

I agree

[@maskedsaiyan1527]

Kevin that’d be horrible

[@nannerbanana2504]

It sounds like a stolen idea

[@83jbbentley]

How do I post a question?

[@Antwane92]

Thank you for stating that Potara is stronger than the fusion dance. I get tired of arguing with ppl about who is stronger Vegito or Gogeta. Vegito is meant to be stronger since it's the more effective fusion

[@kristian5526]

Antwane92 The argument isn't who is stronger anymore it's more about who would actually win the fight because they both have short ass time limits and power does not mean you will necessarily win a fight in db these days

[@Antwane92]

Well they both have around the same time limit so that argument is invalid

[@ChaosGodEnerjak]

to me it's always bee hard to scale because if the potara is X time Y and the fusion dance is something like 3(X + Y) just to make something up, then if you had lower numbers then the fusion dance could give you a greater number. for example goku is a 4 and vegeta is a 3 so together they are a 12 but. trunks is a 3 and goten is 2 then they'd be a 15. but if you all multiplied those numbers by 100 then the potara would win out. so it would seem like the dance would be ore optimal for weaker characters but when you increase the numbers by x100 you don't really change anyone's relativity of strength so it's kinda all in the numbers you use. but i guess we're just supposed to except that potara is stronger so i guess it just is.

[@kristian5526]

Antwane92 you kidding? Vegito's time gets less and less the more power he let's out, Gogeta on the other hand his Time is only shortened by how powerful he is so if vegito did the final kamehameha and he misses Then vegito is fucked.

[@Antwane92]

Fried Chicken tho bro I really don't care about the time frames at all I'm talking who's more powerful. Period. If you really want Gogeta to win then believe what you want but the fact of the matter is that Potara is the stronger of the two fusions point blank. And if you really want to throw in time frames the fusion dance only lasts 30 minutes while Potara lasts an hour. Even if Vegito uses final Kamehameha I'm sure he'd still have plenty of time to beat Gogeta. Especially a 10 minute long ss4 fusion.

[@johnnyrodriguez7363]

I liked how Vegito took his personality after Goku (arrogant, immature, way too relaxed, but at the same time he has a battle plan) and in Fusion Reborn Gogeta had his personality after Vegeta(quiet, brutal, and serious) but GT kinda ruinedy vision of Gogeta

[@jasonhull2163]

I was always told fusion with fusion dance was stronger than potora, being that the vast power is what caused the fusion to be short lived.

[@elisestudio8777]

if gogeta ssj 4 comes in tournament of power jiren shocked and jump out of the stage 😁😁

[@michaelkeppler5631]

Jiren glares away SSJ4 Gogeta lol SSGSS Evolution vegeta and SSB Kaiokenx20 Goku as of 123 were wayyyy above SSB Vegito which is>>>>SSJ4 Gogeta

[@St3rnritterRay]

@@michaelkeppler5631 that's a bold statement when you don't have any evidence to prove it. Goku didnt surpass his fusion..

[@michaelkeppler5631]

the depressed otaku the onus is on you to disprove my statement but you didn’t provide any evidence, shocker.

[@St3rnritterRay]

@@michaelkeppler5631 because there's no need to when that was never implied by anyone. Maybe ui vs vegito would be more fair however your statement is just due to fanboyism.

[@michaelkeppler5631]

the depressed otaku suppressed Jiren was stated to be the strongest Ki Vegeta has ever faced lol that would include fusion Zamasu. Vegeta then knocks down Jiren. Jiren suppresses himself less according to his god of destruction and Evolution Vegeta along with Goku can press this stronger Jiren than the one that was referenced as stronger than Fused Zamasu. Like it or not Vegito was relative to Zamasu, it wasn’t some incredibly one sided stomp. Even if you don’t think they did they’re well with in range of SSB Vegito from the Goku Black arc. UI omen Goku second and third trigger would masasacre SSB Vegito

[@TheRealDustinNunn]

Toriyama needs to make SS4 Gogeta canon.

[@waynejulian277]

the shadow dragons should get their own arc in super after broly i think the shadow dragon arc is great because the entire theme of it is that if you rely on shortcuts or a mystic ass pull to solve your problems you will end up creating a disaster that is far worse than what you were trying to use the shortcut for syn shenron says this to goku when he explains how the shadow dragons as a whole came to be

[@rai_varun]

@@waynejulian277 yes I agree

[@waynejulian277]

@@rai_varun GT may have sucked but the 3 things that were great 1 SS4 transformation as whole 2 SS4 gogeta 3 shadow dragon saga

[@keiv2211]

The thing that people don't understand is super saiyan god is not as powerful as people make it out to be. If you really think about it, it took frieza 4 months to surpass that level of strength. This is frieza who couldn't even beat first time super saiyan goku. And another point is how he didn't even have god ki, so that whole "ssjg is stronger than ssj4 because it's god ki" is complete BS. Like hell, even android 17 held his own against super saiyan blue goku. So stop putting god ki at a level where no character can reach because it's honestly overrated. Don't get me wrong it's an extremely powerful transformation, but the only thing special about it is that it's Devine ki. So people should seriously stop saying that ssj4 is much weaker because in all honesty it's never been revealed which one was stronger.

[@blackanimelover18]

Keiyzo T Someone doesn't understand ki control

[@keiv2211]

Revy's Bitch trust me I do

[@keiv2211]

The real B Y btw I'm a gohan fan too

[@theboy1625]

The real B Y stfu why you crying so hard

[@keiv2211]

Rameez Ahmad I know that about frieza but he still doesn't have god ki. That was my whole point. People act like god ki power can't be reached by any other power. We can also use jiren for example. He was never stated to have god ki and to what it's looking like right now, he's stronger than super saiyan blue goku.

[@mystictoonlinksz5761]

Nice video bro

[@rynoplastyENGL]

Hey Geekdom, I commented on fb a week or so ago that I had an idea how they could tie super into gt.. My comment likely got buried, so I'll post again: The tournament of power goes down, and Zeno/angels/kais/gods of destructions start realizing that it's dangerous for not only the deities, but also for the whole universes, for mortals to be wielding god-ki. They could be realizing this during the tournament, or it could happen in a later arc where some unknown mortal from some random universe is wielding god-ki, but using it irresponsibly and posing a serious threat to the multiverse. They reach an ultimatum and decide they need to act, and Zeno strips all mortals of their god-ki to not only solve this problem but also prevent future problems. This would allow mortals to continue getting stronger and reaching new heights, but only with their mortal-ki. Goku and vegeta and the others (if there are any others with godly ki) would of course be upset that they're getting super saiyan blue revoked after all their training, but Super could end with them saying that they see this as a new challenge and will overcome it one way or another. Another part of this would be Zeno telling the other deities they're no longer allowed to directly interact with mortals since their interactions are what lead to the discovery of ssg and god ki for goku's group. That would set the stage perfectly for GT: no ssb, no mention of Beerus/whis or the other deities, make ss3 relevant again, them finding a way to increase their mortal-ki and achieving ss4, etc... There would be a few minor plot holes too: kabito-Kai would still be fused, android 17 being a villain, no golden form for Frieza (unless they considered this form to be using god-ki too), and probably a few others I'm forgetting at the moment... But if they wanted to make GT cannon, or at least plausible, this approach could be a way to lead into it to make it work