Is Ubisoft or Rockstar Better At Sandbox Games? | Slightly Civil War

[@theescapist]

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[@s4ss1n]

shit....how did i end up being a fart* supporter ? i just prefer rockstar sandboxes to ubisoft, thats all......honestly..... 😬

[@Tmanw8898]

Can we have a holiday themed episode of the show called Slightly Cold War.

[@satyasyasatyasya5746]

Either way, both are masters of the art of abusing their devs and avoiding tax.

[@mr.j7444]

@Mac mcskullface minus the fact they do they just make far less games so it comes up way less.

[@swguygardner]

How dare you bring up the shitty, real world things my favourite game producers make! I now feel required to defend them, lest they not see me as a good boy, and stop making glorified online stores!!!

[@satyasyasatyasya5746]

@@ShadowMan64572 spoken like a true sociopath. you (and the corporations you worship) must be so proud.

[@faustlican5566]

@@ShadowMan64572 if you just buy and play the games, why would you respond to a opinion that you hypothetically would not even care about? No one is attacking you personally or anything, why care?

[@faustlican5566]

@@ShadowMan64572 For what it's worth, I don't think you worship corporations, nor do I resent you for playing their games while ignoring their conduct. But there is nothing wrong with acknowledging and discussing Ubisoft and Rockstar's blatant abuse and misconduct.

[@faustlican5566]

Hmm I think this is a "Giant Douche vs Turd Sandwich" argument haha

[@GoatsOnABoat-rt1wz]

What?

[@faustlican5566]

@Am I Disabled? too high-brow for you?

[@GoatsOnABoat-rt1wz]

@Serena Williams I watch South Park, it’s just a shitty comparison

[@mojotheaverage]

Normally it feels like one of the bois drew the short straw. Feels like today it was just a short box

[@supereldinho]

Ubisoft's games are virtual playgrounds set in aesthetically bland and lifeless worlds. They went so far with the "make your own fun" thing that they're now afraid to commit. Rockstar's games are aesthetically gorgeous and richly detailed, but mechanically inept and limited. You either do things precisely as they tell you or not at all.

[@P3t3rminator]

I honestly can't see how anyone could call AC: Odysseys world aesthetically bland and lifeless ...

[@enman009]

People who says the last 3 AC games are visually bland are mostly people that didn't play for more than a few hours or watched a few screenshots on Google . One can say that the gameplay loop is bland, despite the fact that there's a handful of mechanics and systems that are introduces after a few hours on each games.

[@SeanGamePlay1]

i would say the opposite

[@Rezic]

Out of all the Out of Context lines Yahtzee has said on this show, hearing him say "Ubisoft is pushing the PROGRESSIVE agenda!" in that voice made me laugh the hardest.

[@2CPhoenix]

“Slightly see you later” as opposed to “See you slightly later?”

[@NekoiNemo]

Maybe they both will be hiding beneath blankets, only slightly peeking out from them?

[@barrybend7189]

Meanwhile Nintendo with Breath of the Wild: hey nice tower idea I'm going to use the idea but make it better.

[@Joshua_Shadow_Manriguez]

And get the people who made a game that improved on the Rockstar sandbox to help. Before forcing them to throw out the Wii U version of it to cobble together a Switch version that runs on the Wii U between June 2016 and March 2017 because the new CEO was trying to murder the Wii U in the bed and didn't want Breath of the Wild Wii U to be seen as the superior product.

[@Jagerbomber]

Also he showed the middle-earth Shadow games as copying Ubisoft (which copied Arkham), but AC Odyssey took its nemissis system, somewhat.

[@YaBoiDREX]

@@JagerbomberAc Valhalla took RDR2’s random world events

[@nortonthedestroyer]

Are these sides really randomly picked? Or is someone picking them specifically to torture Yathz?

[@hussainhassan4637]

For some reason I always agree with yahtz in theese

[@lordbuss]

@@hussainhassan4637 That's because he is good at formulating arguments, even if he hates what he says.

[@SnuSnuDungeon]

I can actually hear the anguish in Yahtzee's voice

[@DavidELD]

I still have PTSD when Jack Packard listed every Mario title in Nintendo's history.

[@jacks.cosplay]

The last 5 minutes just devolved into picking on each companies shittiness. Lol

[@Almania612]

I know and I love it!

[@shiknobi2055]

I was hoping Yahtzee would defend Ubi

[@renaigh]

unlike smaller studios who have their own vision for their own projects Ubisoft saw Rockstar and decided that they would mass produce a lesser experience

[@retrogaming3098]

Surely ezio is a well know character

[@s4ss1n]

who ? ....😏

[@amazingdrewH]

Yeah out of all the Assassin's Creed characters why pick the one that was so popular they named the remaster of 2 after him

[@Jagerbomber]

Shirley Ezio

[@Merlaut715]

I liked Aiden and Connor

[@Nightfall815]

"Games like Tsushima, Horizon and Mordor all wanna copy Ubisoft's formula" Well, to be fair, all Ubisoft's newest AC-games just wanna copy Witcher 3's formula ;)

[@SeanGamePlay1]

you sure with confidence call it the "Withcer 3's formula" even though I don't see the same gimmicks being used.

[@itsame7491]

So the shitty ubisoft sandbox is witcher 3's fault, I honestly thought it was other way around.

[@MA-go7ee]

Witcher 3's formula is just an absurd amount of well written quests. Sure, it can be done but most game companies quickly realise it takes a fuckload of time and it really doesn't add to the bottom line in a way that justifies it. Hence AC being so rote.

[@SeanGamePlay1]

@@MA-go7ee well that's not correct when it comes to AC origins and Valhalla, there the side content is so well written it seems like side characters in a tv series, and its progressing so naturally that it feels like the interactions would happen even if Eivor or Bayek weren't present

[@jackielogan9104]

i feel offended towards the mispronunciation of 'Ezio'. Et-see-o ow-dee-to-ree

[@themysteriousstranger4580]

*ow-dee-to-ray*

[@kin-3877]

A-tyre the first Assassin's

[@ryanbarham8464]

I'm really feeling Yahtzee's Ubisoft argument actually. Funny, since I know for a fact he hates Ubisoft.

[@KingOfDoma]

Jack immediately loses because I immediately recognized Ezio and Kassandra... AND I HAVEN'T PLAYED ANY OF THOSE GAMES! BOOM! ROASTED! But honestly, for some reason, open world games give me anxiety nowadays cuz they're too intimidating, so really, everyone loses.

[@Lankythepyro]

Jack won, and I feel like that's pretty rare. Didn't even need to bring up that rockstar basically invented the sandbox

[@MimeSlayer1337]

One day Jack will learn how to talk like a real person

[@jflartner117]

Rockstar makes more believable, more "alive" worlds that feel like shit to be in and play in. Ubisoft makes boring, beautiful worlds but much better feeling and more fun games.

[@TheJudoJoker]

Ubisoft games give you more player choice but it ends up feeling less meaningful, whereas Rockstar games are more meaningful but far more restrictive. Which is better, it depends I believe

[@Some_Really_Random_Dude.]

I like how disingenuous they sound during these videos.

[@PleasantWhale]

3:41 I actually busted out laughing when Jack was gently floating backwards. Dude these little edits are great. This whole show is AMAZING. I have NO clue how this is not as popular as the Zero Punctuation show. This is GOLD! Oh also, 0:12 "I am the being known as Yahtzee Croshaw" with that glow that could be interpreted in so many ways. S tier stuff! HAHAH! I also like how Yahtzee is lampooning people who unironically like/dislike games based on, "is there a minority in it?" Sure, it's nice. But the color of someone's skin or the language they speak does not speak to the quality of writing, gameplay, or some other 3rd thing that entails good game design.

[@BullfromNightCourt]

I think the Yakuza games takes the GTA model as a base with a lot of mixture of activities that never get boring.

[@roshaanreddy8107]

Like what in gta

[@PolarbearYGT]

Yakuza and GTA can't be any more different tho

[@roshaanreddy8107]

@@PolarbearYGT I played both and there is a big difference

[@PolarbearYGT]

@@roshaanreddy8107 indeed. Yakuza is just brilliant

[@roshaanreddy8107]

@@PolarbearYGT indeed but the resemblance to gta is non existent

[@Red_wine]

9:40 The thick of it reference?

[@bethtargett4304]

That's a tricky one for me. I prefer Rockstar's worlds in terms of the level of detail and immersion, but their mission design is so restrictive that the game might as well play itself at times.

[@NekoiNemo]

4:35 No, i think Yahtzee means the exact opposite - there are actually things to do in Ubisoft sandboxes, and in Rockstar ones, outside of the plot, there's not really much to do, other than sightseeing and trying to come up with ways o entertain yourself, aka doing the work of the game designer. Sure, there are "activities", but they are all conveniently outside the main gameplay loop: i didn't buy a TPS/driving game to throw darts at a bar or take my cousin bowling - i bought it to shoot dudes and do car chases, and there's a distinct lack of both outside of the plot missions, especially in the recent games, unless you yourself go out of your way to engineer situations for the shootout or a car chase with the police. Say what you want about Ubisoft's micro-challenges littering the map, but they are at least providing you with that - *challenges*! And not the stupid artificial ones like "kill 30 dudes in under 10 seconds" or "drive from point A to point B in under a minute", but organic ones like scaling a treacherous cliff figuring out how to traverse it, or taking out a fortified encampment without getting yourself killed. Funnily enough, OLD GTA games used to have that in droves, but ever since Rockstar decided to go serious with GTA4 - they axed all the organic and/or fun content out of their games. 10:30 Gotta stop you there, Jack - i only remember the Trevor from your entire list, and i only remember him because he was insane and stood out from the rest of the game. And even he wasn't written that well - he was like a filthier Deadpool without any wits or "charm". And i also remember Nico, as i'm also from East Europe, and he was basically a non-PC caricature of how Muricans see us. Need i say more about him? Also he was written so well that this is literally all i remember about him. I do remember Altair and Ezio though, because those characters were actually well written and developed, they had an actual arc (though, granted, Altair's one was outside of the game he was the protagonist of, as there he was about as developed as a piece of soggy cardboard, in other words, a Rockstar character).

[@gokusondbz]

Personally I prefer Ubisoft over Rockstar. I mean I love the Assassin's Creed series. But I've only played Far Cry 3 and 4. Plus outside of sandbox Ubisoft has the Rayman series

[@venturisventis]

5:25 i snapped to attention, took me a bit to realize jack said hollow and not holo. was very confused

[@angeldeb82]

LOLed at the funny bits of some things. Also... now Jack has mentioned "Arthur Morgan", I feel like my heart is breaking thanks to the pre-COVID-19 tuberculosis... and it feels like we love Arthur more now. R.I.P. :(

[@turbogeek.421]

This conversation has made me realised that I only played 2 Rockstar games on the last gen (PS4), and both of them were games remastered from PS2: Bully and GTA: San Andreas

[@larsongame4120]

Neither these days. They’re both plagued with their own respective issues

[@lovecervere3699]

Jack totally got me with the made up names

[@carlosmariscal6228]

I dunno some ubisoft sandboxes are huge but give you very little freedom. Like Assassin's creed outside of story content you can't really dick around you can climb stuff jump off it but there's not much to it. Rockstar sandboxes are built specifically to do nothing but dick around. And I think at the end of the day dicking around should be the defining factor because it's like the only reason to go back to a game after you're done with the story.

[@carlosmiguelteixeiraott3643]

Rockstar, absolutely rockstar. Let's just say Ubisoft seems to believe quantity is a quality on its own and leave it at that.

[@SeanGamePlay1]

oh yeah Rockstar is totally quality.... spend 1000 hours grinding for a helicopter that is shit anyway? oh u want your quality? buy 20 sharkcards to actually HAVE FUNNNN

[@Psychol-Snooper]

Rockstar gameplay mechanics are total ass. It's literally something you have to learn to deal with to play their games. They feel like a 20 year old game. I mean what is up with slowly rolling or sliding down a hill for 10 to 20 minutes. It's an abomination.

[@Merlaut715]

Rockstar's definitely better with their open world design. Ubisoft's open worlds feel dead in comparison. Ubisoft gotta get better with side activities. However, I was disappointed with GTA V for that very reason and prefer Watch Dogs over that one. GTA Online was obviously the bigger focus, there. I can't speak for Assassin's Creed since I only played thru AC3 and focused on story missions. Also, I don't think the combat in R* or Ubisoft's games are bad, just decent. As for making a world like the real world, we have the Sims for that my guy...minus driving. A simulation.

[@MichaelChisholmChizzieRascal]

Imagine the game Ubisoft could create if they only did one every five years. Would be cool to jump from Egypt to Greece to Rome to Medieval times in one game and have the systems change up with each maybe with bugs in the code warping your character's attributes. Plus you could do a proper interconnected story that pitted the Templars against the Assassins with your actions in each timeline changing the outcome in the next. You could also jump between timelines and solve various puzzles. You know do something interesting with the animus concept.

[@67Iskenator]

Anyone else notice they censored Yahtzee when he said the word pedophile?

[@Jagerbomber]

"Mushy rainbow" was the cast of WD2. At least now they're seeming a little less over the top. maybe

[@ThatFanBoyGuy]

1: Altair 2, Brotherhood and Revelations: Ezio 3: Connor (no, I can't remember his Native American name) Liberation: Aveline 4: Edward Rogue: Shay And that's all I know because I stopped playing the series at that point. I don't think it is too hard to remember all their names

[@tommysalty5864]

I lost it when Jack said "hwhich"...

[@tymillar7865]

I guess for me the difference is things like dark souls and AC is the genuine experience. That in real life you may well be able to reach almost any place u can see. It's not going to be a direct path. You wld encounter obstacles. And that's the difference between the two, you can literally run straight to any location regardless.

[@ChrisWTube]

I don’t have much if an issue with how RDR2 plays except for a couple of very specific small things, that have a big negative effect on gameplay to me. If you are running and pull the left trigger it defaults to the slowest of the two movement speeds, there shouldn’t be two speeds as you move with an analogue stick not a digital one. Also the auto camera correction options should be separate for on foot and horse.

[@helljester8097]

So when you put beef in a grinder out comes ground beef, put that ground beef back in a second time and out comes a new sandbox game???

[@By-the_Way]

Personally, it's UBI for me if I had to choose (Not that I'm saying UBI makes incredibly good games nor am I saying that I don't like Rockstar). Rockstar puts so much effort into making the world so real and believable that it often gets to a point that it is no longer very fun for me as a video game. UBI games are video-gamey and that's usually what I want from a video game.

[@jarodlechadores4336]

Fair argument but I disagree. For me, realism immersed me so much more into a world and I begin to feel more like the character I’m playing as. But with “video-gamey” physics I’m less immersed within the world I’m playing in.

[@sethlangston181]

Well, all the bandit camps in Ubisoft give you plenty to do in the summer! (please don't kill me)

[@jdbruiser]

Assassins Creed games are more of an addiction than a pleasure to play. Watch what Dunkey says about Assassins Creed games and then go look at Rockstar and see just how diverse and engaging their open worlds are. To me it's no competition, Rockstar are the masters of it and Ubisoft craft worlds that don't have anywhere near the charisma or personality to make you care about what's going on in their icon-stuffed open-worlds. GTA V and RDR2 are explosive and unpredictable too, you don't know what's going to happen next and what happens can stretch from hilarious to relatable, whereas in Ubisoft games you are a hitman for hire of sorts-performing tasks for those you meet and you don't get a sense of power because you're too busy doing things for somebody else. What you do as Michael in GTA V and Arthur in RDR2 is be part of something crucial whether it's a gang or being a family member and there's an underbelly of depth and backstory to them. In Assassins Creed you don't get that sense of depth-I mean who cares about Eivor and his past? There's no emotional attachment, Ubisoft makes Assassins Creed characters threadbare and dull and they compensate by giving you lots and lots to do in order to try and make up for its lack of depth. Doesn't help that we get an Assassins Creed every year or two, although other Ubi franchises are more enjoyable to play, the characters often lack meaningfulness.

[@NekoiNemo]

You're comparing the main stories of those games, and yes, if we're talking about that then R* wins, it's not even a competition. But that's not what they are talking about - they are talking about sandboxes, and R*'s ones are nothing but overdesigned husks with nothing in them, at least RDRs and GTA 4 and 5 (and let's not forget that that those are the only games R* made in the last 15 years). Meanwhile Ubiosoft sandboxes are cluttered, true, but they are cluttered with stuff to do. You don't have to engineer your own fun like with R* games - you can just go to any of those icons of the map and have game present you with something to do in its world. And all you can do in GTA/RDR when not on a mission is to just drive/ride around in a world you can't really affect in any way.

[@jdbruiser]

@@NekoiNemo Assassins Creed's sandboxes are littered with map icons where you perform tasks for NPCs. In Rockstars sandboxes you have activities and diversions that put the player front and centre and they are leisurely and enjoyable. Assassins Creed has you climbing and performing repetitive activities and that can be said of other Ubi open-world games too, where Rockstar craft great diversions constantly. Tell me how many times has Ubi put climbing related activities in their open world games...too many times. GTA meanwhile you get a smorgasbord of activities from Yoga, golf, tennis, a shooting range, films to watch, building a space docker, run a triathlon, perform bank heists and a lot of other entertaining diversions.

[@NekoiNemo]

@@jdbruiser Missing the point here. Or rather, proving my point. I bought AC game because i like the freedom of movement their parkour allows and what are most activities in AC are based on? Parkour and climbing puzzles. I bought FC because i like its mix of stealth and FPS, and what are most activities in FC are based on? Guerrilla warfare, taking down camps of armed to the teeth enemies as lone Rambo-like hunter. I bought GTA because i like gangster shootouts and aggressive car chases, and what are GTA activities are based on?.. Yoga, golf, darts, bowling... That don't even use the mechanics of the game, instead utilising the different set of controls and mechanics. Seeing the problem here? To put it simply: if i buy a Spider-Man game, i want my side activities to be based on web swinging and wall crawling, not sudoku or poker, because as much as i like those - i would have bought those specific games if i wanted to play them. Ubisoft understands that, Rockstar (after Vice City) do not. If you want GTA-like sandbox but done right - look at Saints Row games starting from 2. All their activities are based on utilising game's core mechanics either directly, or in fun creative ways, instead of just dumping a bunch of unrelated minigames into their hollow husk of a world and considering their job done.

[@jdbruiser]

@@NekoiNemo I understand your point having read it carefully and it makes sense, Assassins Creed and Far Cry have focused activities geared towards the kinds of games they are and tailored to the characters you play as. GTA I guess has long abandoned its focus on car stealing in favour of broadening its scope for a larger fanbase and trying to see just how massive and diverse their games as opposed to making something more streamlined and focused. But you know how it is Rockstar and Take Two want all that moolah and they probably fear they won't get anywhere near enough if they make the activities in GTA games more centralised on car thefts and activities centred around vehicles.

[@stpirate89]

Nice "The Thick Of It" reference there Yahtzee 😉

[@stepsinpairs]

Playback speed: 1.5x

[@mattieice4785]

I like both a lot... That’s all I’m gonna say.

[@TheCreepypro]

great debate but the title is wrong I believe it should be who sucks at sandbox games less?

[@davididiart5934]

Anyone else need to set it to 2x speed so Yatzhee sounds normal?

[@E1craZ4life]

How about “See you slightly later!”?

[@eskithejetski]

I do not believe for 1 second that Yahtzee prefers ubisoft over rockstar as an overall experience and I'm willing to fight for it

[@lytherael2309]

Yo, no shittalking my boy Ezio!

[@graefx]

I know Yahtzee said "Donors" but I heard "doners"

[@withercrux]

Where's all the sand, though?

[@AbiShoukathAliA]

What can I say, Rockstar games are fun to play while Ubisoft games became the definition of tedious.

[@NekoiNemo]

I would have to say the opposite: Rockstar games are good (not "fun", "good") to sit through *once* for the story, while Ubisoft games are *always* fun to go in for fuckabouts.

[@refusingtoconform]

Strange how Ubisoft and Rockstar are the bastions of sandboxes despite Warner Brothers making arguably blander experiences.

[@Rebazar]

Rockstar easily wins by default. Ubisoft literally copy and pastes the same map for most open world games

[@bgw316]

I'd say Ubisoft just for the game aspect. Despite the very apparent flaws, they normally exist in a heightened reality that allows more than just vanilla GTA "fragile human" gameplay. Techie/Hacker GTA with drones, strong/agile combaty assassins, 1st person shooty/stealthy, the new AC RPGs, etc.

[@randomanswer4359]

Seriously? You don't think we remember Ezio Auditore?

[@BreakingBlake1]

Ubisoft. Rockstar controls are horrible.

[@tc2241]

Rockstar: Better world, slow ramp up Ubisoft: Shallow and recycled, easier to get into and have fun

[@SeanGamePlay1]

"recycled" you know that a big part of RDR2 was literally the same map as RDR1?

[@cabjousuf4912]

Is it ok to hate both

[@Xelker]

I always know who's gonna be what based on my own opinion, Jack seems to constantly get my opinion haha

[@Saturn185]

wait wait, the game engine rockstar uses IS NAMED EUPHORIA???? WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?????

[@VicariousVoid]

Rockstar makes incredible single player experiences and then forgets about them because they'd rather make money online. Ubi makes sub par single player experiences that eventually end up being good as they fix them over time. Note that I said good and not incredible, they are not the same.

[@15oClock]

You know Yahtzee was phoning it in when he tried to use the diversity message at the start of Ubisoft games he himself derides.

[@faustlican5566]

A true ace in the hole. Ubi's diversity messages were nice once upon a time, now their so transparently insincere.

[@Just-Another-Adventurer]

Against Jack's final argument: I love Arthur Morgan as much as I love Ezio Auditore da Firenze and Edward Kenway.

[@MIGHTYBOOSCH198]

I mean you can say AC is better than GTA and you have point. But as a sandbox game, Ubisoft are way off, their worlds feel more hollow and there's nothing to do - the whole part of a sandbox is having a world to explore and do what you please in. Plus compare AC III's hunting animals to RDR's... AC is terrible right? RDR fighting a bear can be an epic struggle where you could die any second, in AC it's a quick time event.

[@prcervi]

functional if bland vs detailed to hell and back but crashing for stupid reasons

[@raven4152001]

- they should do the gritty realistic serious take of "GTA" games, versus The wacky silly fun of "Saint's Row" games.

[@aisadal2521]

Depends; which one has a less shitty working environment?

[@warrenhooper2072]

Real debate would be Rockstar vs CD Project Red

[@gonnsolo8506]

CDPR is the most overrated developer ever, defended by virgins left and right, when they do the same shitty things that other Devs do

[@Starwarsdude8221991]

You guys sound somewhat interested in your arguments it’s kinda funny

[@Laflamme78]

Rockstar's worlds are about the journey, Ubisofts are about the destination.

[@slothfulcobra]

The best GTA was Sleeping Dogs. Rockstar's best games are RDR and Bully. Ubisoft cranks things out, but man they sure do have worlds worth inhabiting and not covered in Rockstar's dumb unpleasant mad magazine caliber satire. The best Assassin's Creed sandbox was Shadow of Mordor.

[@Dark3y3]

Ubisoft suck horribly. I only played and enjoyed one, and that was the over the top Blood Dragon. It was also blissfully short. Comparison, Cyberpunk 2077 definitely has more influence from GTA than anything else.

[@thedarknessmagician5234]

I find it interesting that one of Jack’s primary arguments for Rockstar games is that there is more to do in them, even though their most profitable game in the past few years has been GTA online, and the main reason that is so popular is because people just like to mess around in the over-world and blow each other up. I don’t think I have ever actually had fun playing a Rockstar sandbox the way they intended it to be played. However, Ubisoft has quite a lot of legitimately good Sandbox games with tons of stuff to do. One of my favorite games of all time is Assassin Creed 4: Black Flag. Not only does this game have a genuinely interesting story, but the game world is completely enjoyable by just ignoring the story and fucking off. I can’t even count the number of hours I spent sailing the seas in search of ships to fight and islands to explore, and there was so much to do on the islands as well. Assassination missions, maps with coordinates to buried treasure, flying music sheets to chase down by doing parkour, enemy territories and strongholds to break into, boardgames to play with NPCs, and just generally fucking around with the soldiers patrolling the area (because the game also had a very fun combat system). If you wanted to stay to the sea however, then you could. Diving bells, harpooning whales, and sailing through dangerous sea storms are just a few things one could run into on the high sea. My point is that Rockstar sandboxes don’t actually have all that much to them aside from messing around in the over-world, and while I don’t think that every sandbox game made by Ubisoft is a winner, I believe that the games the make right are far better than any Rockstar game in terms of Story, side missions, and just messing around in the over-world. Therefore, I believe that Ubisoft is the better producers of sandbox games.

[@stocktonjoans]

Good topic, looking forward to this

[@MRFlackAttack1]

These are getting really good.

[@lordbuss]

9:47 Because it's the truth, and everyone ARE bad.

[@jackd23]

I tried Red Dead Online, I found the gameplay very shallow. From what I remember of Ubisoft, it's very repetitive. So you can only choose a lesser evil from the two, they're both not great.

[@matthewford2532]

From someone who has watched all the Zero Punctuations, hearing Yahtzee argue FOR gender politics in games is a major lurch

[@Unknown.Skymaster]

the only one i remember is Ezio

[@thedreamer6930]

Lol, what? I'd smack the hell out of my friend that would dare suggest Ubisoft was good at anything. They can join the people that think The Last of Us 2 was a great a game and the new Star Wars Trilogy was good. Send those people to another planet, we dont need them.

[@The1Overmind]

"Debate-ya later!"

[@MegaD42]

Rockstar games are giant movies that come bundled with all their tie-in Happy Meal toys. Hell, I might actually have watched GTA V: The Animated Series. It takes more to make that into an actual game, though, than making me push a button to advance the dialog and letting me pick their outfits.

[@romxxii]

TBH I've enjoyed Ubi sandboxes more than I've enjoyed Rockstar sandboxes. And I've enjoyed Bethesda sandboxes more than both.

[@FeCyrineu]

Ezio Auditore da Firenze was a very memorable character to me. The other Ubisoft characters, however, really are forgettable.

[@generallechuga3856]

It's a shame. Beacuse there are main characters that I find better developed and/or more interesting than ezio, like Edward or Bayek.

[@Psychol-Snooper]

@@generallechuga3856 Bayek was great, and the initial chemistry he had with Aya was pretty hot.

[@ketamineaddict5659]

Honestly Rockstar open worlds look better but they are extremely empty and dull, Ubisoft games at least have things to do (even if it’s repetitive at least it’s something) and their recent titles are really impressive almost rockstar levels of detail.

[@ketamineaddict5659]

But I think we can agree BOTW, Witcher 3 and Skyrim are the top games in the open world genre. BOTW has the side content and exploration, Witcher 3 has the side quest and Skyrim has a good balance of both!

[@GreenKarateMonkey]

I got one gta or saints row

[@amazingdrewH]

The real answer is the team at Sega who makes the Yakuza games

[@Psychol-Snooper]

🤮

[@maxpower2480]

Using sexual harassment allegations as an argument in a tongue in cheek debate seems inappropriate...

[@ThousandairesClub]

Watch Dogs Legion is Ubisoft's GTA San Andreas......its the game they should be the most proud of.

[@anotherpersonfromnorfolk1587]

Wow, Yahtzee had to argue Ubisoft? Yeesh...

[@michaeldunleavy3868]

I hate the characters in most R* games. I honestly hated all the protagonists in GTA5 and found the depressing cowboy mate dull. Ubisoft games just wore me down. BoTW and HZD were my favourite sandboxes of the past few years.

[@luigivercotti6410]

what's hzd?

[@michaeldunleavy3868]

@@luigivercotti6410 Horizon Zero Dawn 😀