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@TheFandomeClips9 ай бұрын
Also to add this, before everyone starts asking why does Robert get to be young but Barristan old? Answer- Because everyone else on the list needed to at least have a chance!
@siyabongamkhize6929 ай бұрын
Trail by seven😂
@LordBloodraven9 ай бұрын
@@TheFandomeClips What are you talking about, in his final months, Robert was an inspiring sight for the people. Come, bow before your king!
@hamoodyman92399 ай бұрын
@@TheFandomeClipssure but that makes this whole list inconsistent then. I have no issue with Robert being first but it would have been better if this was worded as an all time list.
@thediaz079 ай бұрын
@@TheFandomeClipsLOL, Facts!
@kenchong696 ай бұрын
4. Jamie Lannister 3. Arthur Dayne 2. Robert 1. The dude that managed to put Jaqen H'ghar in a cage
@bohmfalk5 ай бұрын
1: So, Jagen? There’s little chance he wasn’t there by his own choice.
@reid_dreamcatcher60175 ай бұрын
A man puts himself in a cage
@thesoupofthebrain24465 ай бұрын
i do believe that was chuck norris
@somebodyimportant32395 ай бұрын
i always wondered how this happened lmao
@Bigtimecharlie13495 ай бұрын
Obviously the mountain
@debater4529 ай бұрын
Bobby B in his prime was basicly a souls boss
@TheFandomeClips9 ай бұрын
Pretty much 😂 except even the best souls player alive wouldn't be able to beat him. Thanks for stopping by as always Debater! Liam
@TheStraightestWhitest9 ай бұрын
''Parry this, filthy casul!'' *Jumping R2 with Ledo's Greathammer*
@jayschmidt21969 ай бұрын
Full horned helmet and all.
@silver0579 ай бұрын
I mean, one of his monikers is literally *Demon of the Trident*
@jayschmidt21969 ай бұрын
@@silver057 ai LOVES Robert baratheon lol.
@Evilanious6 ай бұрын
One of the craziest book only scenes is when Barristan easily kills mercenary captain Mero with a wooden quarterstaff at age 63. He then apologizes for not killing him sooner. He's using a false name at that point and it instantly blows his cover. Bronn also has some crazy feats. Catelyn thinks without him the mountain clans would have killed her. When Tyrion has him recruit sellswords he challenges each of them to a match of no holds sparring. If they survive Bronn for a while they can fight for him. Tyrion asks '"And if one of them kills you?". The answer: "He'll be one you'll want to hire." That kind of confidence is pretty impressive.
@lelouchvibritannia89975 ай бұрын
yah thats why i think bobby b doesnt deserve the first spot, maybe 4th but certainly not in the top 3
@manithierry-mieg37045 ай бұрын
Most bron answer ever lmao
@AstroSully4 ай бұрын
I still think his craziest feat is killing two gold cloak members with his barehands. But nothing really beats Duskendale.
@AustinLearned3 ай бұрын
Technically Barristan doesn't for sure kill the Titan's Bastard. He knocks him in the head, and when he falls to the ground all the people Dany freed rip him apart. Though that doesn't actually matter
@purplef19999 ай бұрын
I think you could make a point for Qhorin Halfhand. He was stationed at the Shadow Tower and is quoted as a living legend amongst the Nights Watch. Also he had to switch his main hand after losing most of his fingers on his right hand but became as proficient with his left, a feat Jaime Lannister hasn't been able to do. I think the constant battling he experienced aswell as venturing Beyond the Wall and coming back alive everytime should grant him an honourable mention.
@richiebob54779 ай бұрын
100% agree the wildlings who don’t seem like the type to fear anyone feared Qhorin, he cut down people twice the size of Tormund giants bane, he even blocked an axe which was going into his face and even beat the fk out of the wildling who cut half his hand off and killed them, I’d deffo say he’d smash Bronn, he’s described by Jon as an ox and he’s very fast and experienced, he’d probably slam Brienne too, Qhorin has not really any personality flaws, he’s not arrogant or anything he’s calm all the time and speaks like dearh as if its nothing, he should be number 7, above Garlan I’d say
@bloodangel199 ай бұрын
@@richiebob5477wasn't Tormund described as average/short but broad? So not a very large guy Robert or Hound style
@richiebob54779 ай бұрын
@@bloodangel19 it’s a show line, idk if it’s said in the books, and Tormund in the shows like 6ft+, he’s a lot bigger than Jon, he still says the Halfhand killed people who were like giants though
@MaxONeill4039 ай бұрын
I'm off the belief that quorin is Arthur dayne in the books. There's a bunch of hints to it
@theperfectshot11109 ай бұрын
er no chance. guy can't do well against a well trained disciplined swordsmen.
@kurtwpg9 ай бұрын
You did Barristan dirty here. Compared: Barristan when he was old Arthur when Barristan was still in his prime Baratheon when he was young
@thelateescapist82668 ай бұрын
💯 Barristan in his prime is an easy contender for the #1 spot.
@randy420008 ай бұрын
Absolutely did him dirty, why the change with Robert
@agrimshukla90938 ай бұрын
I mean he literally said prime barristan is nr1
@VDViktor8 ай бұрын
Tell me you didnt watch the video without telling me. He said prime Selmy is #1.
@scottwilson80397 ай бұрын
@VDViktor tell me YOU didn't watch the video without telling me. He clearly said he was reading them AS THEY APPEARED ON THE SHOW, meaning old Barrister but when ranking Robert he ranks him as in his prime.
@viorp52679 ай бұрын
5:16 Cercey and Tywin both seeing Bron as having a chance of beating the Mountain certainly more than implies how strong a fighter he was.
@carastone34739 ай бұрын
*Cersei
@Headshot1st9 ай бұрын
@@carastone3473ms know it all
@Jon155mt9 ай бұрын
*Ser-C
@TheFandomeClips9 ай бұрын
Exactly, if he was so dead, why not let him stand? While he has common sense and wouldn't take it lightly his ambition would probably win out in the end and Tywin and Cersei could have killed two birds with one stone! Thanks for watching! Liam
@balchandrabhat69037 ай бұрын
Man forgot gaints 😂😂
@Leo-dt5ic9 ай бұрын
"At number 6" with Joffrey riding in made me feel we were about to hear about Joffrey's talent with Widow's Wail. Truly the greatest swordsman in the kingdom, too bad the Imp murdered him!
@ultimaterealist13777 ай бұрын
Remember, Joffrey was dangerous with Widow's Wail. He did kill a book.
@lelouchvibritannia89975 ай бұрын
@@ultimaterealist1377 he was even more dangerous with a knife, i once read him killing multiple organisms in under a minute.
@mikeriddle14623 ай бұрын
@@Leo-dt5ic I'm sure you jest sir.🤠
@garlantyrell80309 ай бұрын
I’m glad you guys included Garlan Tyrell. Being a book only character he’s usually overlooked in most lists and clearly he’s my favorite character hence the name lol😅
@garlantyrell80309 ай бұрын
@SerBretonBriarwhite Good tidings Ser Breton. As my sister Margaery says, we’ve had a blessed harvest and of course it’s our duty to assist in time of need
@TheFandomeClips9 ай бұрын
He needs more recognition. I understand why he was cut in the show (It's always down to money and budget and was cheaper to combine him with Loras) but he's got this awesome reputation following him. If we ever do get winds, I hope we get to see his skills first hand against the Faiths champion. Though I'm a little concerned if a certain theory is correct Garlan might not make it out considering who the theory suggests the champion is going to be 🐶 Thanks for watching Good Ser! Liam
@142doddy5 ай бұрын
Garlan Vs two handed Jamie is the prequel fight I want most
@robslebowski67769 ай бұрын
Considering Stannis lasted hours on the walls of kings landing and making it back to the forrest while being on the frontline, when the Bolton army charged his army, I would say he is actually one or the most underrated swordman in the show atleast. He outlasted his very last battle enemies, while already being severly wounded and just accepted his fate in the end.
@neodigremo9 ай бұрын
The Mannis is of course no slouch, but nothing seems to imply he is particularly special as a fighter. Underrated by some but not one of the elite. I would probably put him as likely at the top of the non-elite. Like nobody is going to be quoting him as an example, but real fighters would no he is not one to underestimate.
@TheFandomeClips9 ай бұрын
While we've got nothing to go on i think I'd definitely agree with you. I don't think he would have been anything special or to write home about, but he is from the same stock as Robert and was more interested in war than Renly. I'd expect him to be decent if not amazing. Especially the show version who like you say showed not once but twice he could hold his own. Thanks for watching Rob! Liam
@robslebowski67769 ай бұрын
@@neodigremo I don‘t say he should be in the top 10, just wanted to point out that he is really really underrated, atleast in my opinion!
@robslebowski67769 ай бұрын
@@TheFandomeClips Thanks for the response, I am not saying that he should be in the top 10, because the show and the books even less, do not try to show that he is one of the best fighters, but I just wanted to say that he may be one of the more underrated fighters, considering the things I mentioned. Enjoyed the video!
@neodigremo9 ай бұрын
@@robslebowski6776 Absolutely true what you say. TBH underrated/overrated fighters seems like a decent video idea e.g. 5 over and 5 under from universe X.
@Gandalf12328 ай бұрын
Arya: "Hot pie, tell Gendry what makes it a battle instead of a fight" HP: "...it's when they got armor on" Gendry: "who told you that?" HP: "a knight" Gendry: "how do you know it was a knight?" HP: "well...cause he had armor on" Gendry: "you don't need to be a knight to have armor. Any idiot can buy armor" HP: "how would you know?" Gendry: "cause I sold armor!" 😂😂😂😂😂
@ryanfitzpatrick30089 ай бұрын
If Selmy is neutered by being old in the story, Dayne shouldn't be on the list since he's quite literally dead..
@hoddedman_ARG3 ай бұрын
@@ryanfitzpatrick3008 bro they choose young robert instead of current fat bobby
@hamzazilani63988 ай бұрын
One big reason I’d have Arthur dayne over Robert is that Ned called him the best he’d ever seen, after all the fights he’d accompanied Robert on he still called Arthur the best
@appa6097 ай бұрын
"the finest knight" Ned could be saying Arthur was the best example of chivalric ideals. Skill, courage, honour, loyalty, etc. as much as Ned loved Robert he also knew he was a brutal man who loved drinking and whoring and was not a perfect knight.
@richiebob54776 ай бұрын
@@appa609But Barristan is equal to Dayne and Barristan’s feats are insane however Dayne’s superior while wielding dawn
@Steez2245 ай бұрын
@@appa609 The question Arya was asking was clearly about fighting. He meant in terms of fighting.
@emilegriffith14735 ай бұрын
also being the best warrior doesn't mean the best fighter per se. a warrior fights in a war not one v one combat, although that's a huge part of it obviously
@Steez2245 ай бұрын
@@emilegriffith1473 What? lmao
@gamebawesome9 ай бұрын
When I saw Arthur Dayne as Number 2, I realized "Number 1 is going to be Robert, isn't it?
@wishwavy3 ай бұрын
Why do you consider Robert in his prime but in the exact same vid consider Barristan in his old age? Nah man this is unfair, justice for Selmy 😂
@dmandaman50609 ай бұрын
Good video. You guys did a great job differentiating between skilled fighters and dangerous/lethal warriors. Jaime, Dayne, Selmy, etc. are skilled warriors. Some of the very best fighters you're ever gonna see. But being noble knights, they follow a moral code. Guys like Bronn, Oberyn, and prime Robby B, don't follow such morals. They are scrappy, resourceful, do whatever it takes to win, and just love killing and/or fighting. Theirs a difference between the two.
@TheFandomeClips9 ай бұрын
Thanks Dman! Yes honed skill matters, but there's a certain mentality to fighting (at least in grounded universes like Thrones) that can carry you through just the same and obviously equipment is such a big factor in who will win most often. Hammer beats sword when armour is involved 9/10! Thanks for watching as always my man! Liam
@thelateescapist82668 ай бұрын
I hit the like button as soon as I saw you included Garland Tyrell on this list. That boy is one of the most unsung badasses of A Song of Ice & Fire.
@LordBloodraven9 ай бұрын
The spike on the back of Robert's warhammer gave him another option if he was ever locked in single combat. A single hammer blow with the blunt end killed Rhaegar on the Ruby Ford. If Robert reversed his grip and let the spiked-end of the hammerhead strike first, he would win any duel in a single hit.
@KingSlayer_.9 ай бұрын
A lot of people forget that in the battle of the trident, Rhaegar wounded him pretty badly and that it was still a very close fight. There are strategies and tactics a sword user can fight against a war hammer user. Even one who is much bigger and stronger.
@TheFandomeClips9 ай бұрын
Exactly my Lord! It's an unbelievably overwhelming advantage when armour is concerned. A sword has to find very VERY small targets, The hammer (providing the blow is committed) can hit ANYTHING, even the shield and affect the opponent. Thanks for watching as always my Lord! Liam
@TheFandomeClips9 ай бұрын
@@KingSlayer_. You can make a sword work vs a hammer, but it's the exception not the rule and 9/10 the hammer will win if armour is involved and both fighters are of a comparable level of skill. A non specialised sword just doesn't have the capacity to do anything meaningful against proper plate armour. You often found that the sword user would most often turn the sword upside down to turn it into a makeshift hammer (known as a murder stroke) or they'd try to wrestle the enemy to ground to get a dagger into a joint. Neither is a good tactic vs someone as big and strong as Bobby, I'd only put odds on the Mountain, Sandor and the Greatjon been capable of getting Robert on the ground and a murderstroke still won't equalise the damage from the real thing because there isn't the same weight behind it. Robert also wasn't wounded badly by Rhaegar, just wounded (Which is pretty typical when good fighters face each other in a grounded fiction, even the winner often doesn't get out unscratched). Its even noted Bobby made his maester treat Barristan instead of him because Barristans wounds were quite severe and his were less serious. Enough to need a bit of rest, but not enough to warrant urgent treatment. I don't know how you only type these comments with one Hand Ser Jaime! Thanks for watching! Liam
@hexflash.8 ай бұрын
@@KingSlayer_. nope it was not stated who wounded Robert but it was stated that he was in the frontline while being down 5000 men. So go read the books again because clearly there's no text in there that said Rhaegar injured him.
@skull25318 ай бұрын
@@KingSlayer_.the wound wasn’t serious at all tho
@professorsassafras9 ай бұрын
Loved the Joffrey cameo. I was stunned and like What!? You got me. Good one mate.
@TheFandomeClips9 ай бұрын
He was the obvious choice, who else could it be 😂 thanks for watching professor! Liam
@professorsassafras9 ай бұрын
@@TheFandomeClips Darth Vader? Lol...
@notjazz.9 ай бұрын
@@professorsassafrasyou really thought he was serious?
@jaynguin8 ай бұрын
Criminal to use young Robert and not young Selmy 😭
@2ndacc4258 ай бұрын
important to note is just how much the physicality is worth in a chaotic fight. Like no matter how skilled, if arthur/baristan/oberyn/jamie (so all the skilled, but not necessarily physical fighters) get tackled on the battlefield they’re in big trouble. If somebody tries to tackle the mountain/Hound/Bobby, they just get a piggy bag ride out of it…
@VHBEngines6 ай бұрын
Even in modern combat wrestling is the number one skill to have so I'd have to agree with ya
@AmeriMutt766 ай бұрын
@@VHBEngines If by combat wrestling you meant BJJ and the like, that kind of disproves your point. Hoyce Gracey was always smaller than the bruisers he defeated, after they nearly beat him to death. Meaning skill can defeat a bigger opponent. There was a reason Bartholomew mostly competed in the melee, it favored his size and strength over skill.
@BabylonianCowboy5 ай бұрын
Yeah, but you have to understand that a lot of fantasy fans are on the smaller and weaker side and have been told that “it’s the size of the fight in the dog.” Part of the fantasy for them is imagining that they could win fights by being angry like Wolverine, forgetting that the adamantium, claws, and regeneration are what makes Wolverine deadly.
@BabylonianCowboy5 ай бұрын
@@AmeriMutt76weight classes exist for a reason. The bigger fighter will always have an advantage because of strength, reach, and gravity. Can smaller fighters win? Sure-but only if we’re talking Batman level skills vs random bar brawlers. If skill is close at all, the bigger fighter has an enormous advantage.
@toro52805 ай бұрын
That's why I don't think that they did disservice to Ser Baristan on the show. Multiple oponents would have probably defeated him even if he was in full armour. (Probably a huge guy like The Mountain, in full armour, could manage, but then again he wouldn't even need a sword, slapping them with his armour gauntlets would be enough). It only takes one of them to grab his arm and slow him down for a second or two so the others can jump him. Yet he managed to slay (almost) all of them before succumbing.
@blazeblade7619 ай бұрын
I disagree with first you using prime bobby but not prime barristan second him being number 1 becomes of the simple reason that rhaegar a far lesser fighter than jaime arthur or selmy was able to injure robert really badly to the point he needed medical help quite urgently and wasnt able to ride for sometime
@elijahalbiston9 ай бұрын
Before you throw that point out there… did Rhaegar have Kingsguard at his side in this battle? Because if he did then that would explain why Bobby B was so wounded. He took down three of the greatest fighters in the realm.
@BehuraStudio9 ай бұрын
It wasn’t an immediately life threatening injury if Robert decided to give his own Maester to Selmy instead. The fact he couldn’t ride means he probably got some deep wounds on his legs or something. Also even if Bob can kill Selmy in a fight, it doesn’t mean it’ll be quick or a clean fight. Also even though Rhaegar hated fighting he was a genuinely good swordsman!
@hubertwaliszewski57409 ай бұрын
@@elijahalbiston The only two king's guard that were there were Jonothor Darry and Lewyn Martell. And they died NOT besides Rhaegar
@finlayames62169 ай бұрын
@@hubertwaliszewski5740you forget Selmy. But yeah, we know Selmy wasn’t with the prince and since Martel was noted as leading the Dornish he almost certainly wasn’t either.
@hubertwaliszewski57409 ай бұрын
@@finlayames6216 Lol. I totally forgot him🤣
@Etherealsighting8 ай бұрын
"You can't have the looks of prince charming made flesh, be a phenomenal acto,r and then also be a top tier swordsman this is reality..." Viggo Mortenson would like a word and a duel please...
@rw81473 ай бұрын
Cary Elwes and Mandy Patinkin have a word or two as well.
@Akakakakak1-h5r3 ай бұрын
Deamon targeryan
@Mattii_Odinson8 ай бұрын
Im so happy you took the Warhammer into consideration againt the plate armor!! Thank you!! That has always has drove me nuts haha
@anmolanand23508 ай бұрын
You did dirty to Selmy as you've considered every other fighter in their prime but Selmy when he was old..
@TheFandomeClips8 ай бұрын
I mean it wouldn't really change much, he'd basically just be joint 2 with Dayne which is basically what we said in the Dayne section by stating their equals, along with saying Selmy would take 1 in his prime for me personally just on pure badassery alone 😂 he wasn't done dirty in the slightest, i personally think its super impressive he can still make a list of the best warriors while been Grandpa aged, when the rest certainly wouldn't. People get waaayyy to hung up on placement 😂 the top 10 are all awesome and its more about celebrating them all rather than saying "this fighter beats everyone below them" because in a grounded fiction like thrones styles make fights and its bollocks to think 1 fighter can beat everyone below them on a list 😂 they're all awesome in their own way, Robert only got number 1 because he seems to have the most common sense with his weapon 😂 doesn't mean Dayne couldn't take him if he was smart about it, or Oberyn wouldn't figure out a counter for the hammer or even the Mountain at the other side of the list couldn't get lucky. There's no intention to do anyone dirty. I wanted every fighter on the list to be recognised for the badass they are, and I don't think old man Barristan should be discounted the same way I don't think young Robert should be over looked. Thanks for watching! Liam
@kaseythornton8155Ай бұрын
@@anmolanand2350 You're exactly right. GRRM himself said that Selmy and Dayne were equals and the best, with Dawn pushing Dayne into the #1 spot. This video was odd.
@hubertwaliszewski57408 ай бұрын
Another reason why I think Dayne deserves the N. 1 spot (aside from the author's words, which when it comes to just their own universe are final.) is Ned's opinion. Ned was raised alongside Robert, sparred with him countless times and fought besides him on the Battlefield on numerous occasions. Therefore he knows Robert's skill better than anyone. If he was unsure wether or not Dayne was better than Bobby he wouldn't have said that Dayne was the finest knight he ever saw (Robert was most likely knighted like most nobles). Instead Ned says with full confidence that Arthur is the best based on one encounter. That leads me to believe Dayne must have done something legendary. As it was pointed out Robert once fought six men with a sword and came out victorious, but injured. This leads me to Believe that Dayne, like on the show, fought four or five men on his own and made it look like it was easy and came out unscathed before Howland stabbed him in the back (something which we can't knock off points for because as far as Dayne was concerned that guy was dead, because he saw him fall to the ground after the slash and because he was focused on the others didn't see him move. In a battle when you are constantly surrounded that would be a fair argument but here not). While this is a theory I think it does make a lot of sense. Again if Ned thought Robert could be better he probably would've favored his friend in his judgement.
@muhinkabir14155 ай бұрын
You make an interesting observation. Yes, you are quite right that Ned Stark has probably seen both up close in a fight and is likely the one person who can give an accurate comparison. He does say Arthur is the finest Knight he ever saw. However he also says Robert is the greatest warrior he ever saw. If you ask me its a 60/40 in favour of Robert. Both of them are modelled over peak masculine Gods
@jagmbaksvshsh3 ай бұрын
@@muhinkabir1415dayne is the greatest , this is common knowledge
@Antaneus023 ай бұрын
@@muhinkabir1415 I think that distinction between knight and warrior is super important
@The_Malcontented7 ай бұрын
One more plus to add for Brienne: she keeps in mind one of the most important lessons she learned from the master-at-arms who taught her: men will want to beat you quickly lest people start saying that a woman gave them a challenge. Let them wear themselves out throwing everything they have at you while you play defense and conserve your stamina. Then go on the attack while they've already worn themselves out. This is an important sub-skill of her battlefield instincts/warrior mentality; it's not dishonorable or underhanded like some of Bronn's favorite tactics, but it is playing to her strengths / weaponizing Westerosi society's misogyny and using it against her opponents
@BasedR0nin5 ай бұрын
Good insightful comment for the most part and I agree but that’s not “misogyny”… like at all. Maybee sexism but definitely not misogyny. Women by and large are weaker than men, and largely aren’t trained in combat. this isn’t a social construct. It’s the social warrior/ macho climate that makes being beaten or even seriously challenged by a woman in combat an object of ridicule, but it’s not “woman hating” to acknowledge that they are going to be at a disadvantage in combat against a man for the vast majority of cases. It’s like as if a man lost to a child in single combat, he would of course be ridiculed by his peers, but that wouldn’t be misopedia, or child hating. The one getting “hated on” would be the man, as he is expected to beat an opponent that is usually weaker than a male warrior supposed to be in his prime. Feel like most people including yourself don’t know what the word misogyny actually means.
@neodigremo9 ай бұрын
Very important distinction for best warrior is that there is a difference between overall and specific match ups. For example Brienne would probably lose to the Mountain in a one on one, but I would put money on her over Bronn. As you say Sandor could beat the "better" people on the list if he gets a bit lucky or has some other edge. Otherwise I am pretty much in agreement with you on the list, though you could make a credible case for any of the top 5 in any order.
@TheStraightestWhitest9 ай бұрын
This is very true. Styles make fights.
@neodigremo9 ай бұрын
@@TheStraightestWhitest Don't I know it. I do martial arts and there are people in my club I can beat in a match, then people I can't. And sometimes people I win against can beat people I lose against. You can be "the best" but face an opponent whose strengths just so happen to line up to your weak spots perfectly.
@TheStraightestWhitest9 ай бұрын
@@neodigremo I always had this in Judo as well. There was a kid I always lost to without exception, and he usually lost to another guy that I usually tied with and often beat. And when I got older and later got into BJJ and kickboxing, those situations became more common and more normal to me. I stopped questioning it. Everyone develops their own style past the basics.
@TheFandomeClips9 ай бұрын
This comment has actually inspired a video for us Neo buddy! and your right, in a grounded works like thrones, anyone can beat anyone if the day is favouring them or the circumstances are in their favour. I always looks to Oberyn vs the Mountain. That fight would have been over in seconds if weapon parity was forced on the fighters. If they'd been forced to fight with Oberyns arms and light armour Obs would have that spear through Gregors neck in a heartbeat, if vice versa Oberyn would have been bashed to death in no short order. Styles do indeed make fights as The straightest whitest notes! Thanks for watching! Liam
@herethere652 ай бұрын
Would Brianne or prince rhaegar come out on top I wonder?
@warlordofbritannia9 ай бұрын
Media and other common misconceptions have really skewed the perception of late medieval arms and armor. Plate armor (meaning full plate, what you see in your mind when you think of a knight) didn't become the norm until *at least* the mid-14th century; the transition to mauls and poleaxes and warhammers as the primary arms of the nobility is no coincidence. I've recently applied to a internship at a local museum's collections of medieval arms and armor, so you can trust this is a subject I've given some serious inquiry into.
@hexflash.8 ай бұрын
nobody cares bro
@RegentofSparta8 ай бұрын
I care and this was some good info!
@loganwallace1018 ай бұрын
Robert's warhammer is so huge if he really could wield it as described then even a single hit will shatter half the bones in your body and is absoloutley an instant death even for the mountain in full plate. I mean honestly if you arent wearing armour he could probably smash people in half.
@richiebob54779 ай бұрын
I would put Arthur at number 1, Arthur was described by Catelyn as the most dangerous of Aerys kingsguard, deadlier than a like 40 year old Barristan since it’s 20 years before, everyone says he was the best, Ned said Arthur’s the finest knight he ever saw and in the books says he would’ve been killed by Dayne if not for Howland Reed. While I do have Robert in my top ten I disagree on him being top 1, he was a monster in his prime but Rhaegar Targaryen who was good at jousting and maybe just above average with a sword brutally wounded him in their 1v1, while Robert’s war hammer is strong, I’d put Dayne, a younger Selmy and a prime Jaime as those who could defeat him, they’re much skilled and a lot faster, especially Dayne since dawn’s like valaryian steel, the three know what they are doing and could get their swords in his armour joints and bring him down, Robert would have to catch them to land a hit, an old Gerold Hightower in the show says if they were on the trident the usurper ‘Robert’ would be in the ground, but Gerold was old well in the books anyway unlike the show where he’s younger and a mix of Oswell whent, so I don’t really think he’d put Robert down , Oswell Whent says it in the books though but I doubt he could pull it off either, but I think Arthur could, Arthur’s not arrogant, he’s calm and just does his duty until the last, so he would not mess about he would just put him down. I could be wrong on this but I think Dayne never lost a melee, he lost jousts but that’s a lot different than sword fighting, I think even Barristan talks about how good Dayne was in the books.
@TheFandomeClips9 ай бұрын
Ned also said Robert was a "peerless warrior" which I think also holds weight. There's a difference between been the finest knight and the best warrior. There's also a difference between been the best swordsman (Which Dayne no doubt was) and been the best fighter. By all accounts and from what we can tell Robert wasn't a big slow Gregor type, he was big but also fast (Size doesn't equal slow, quite the opposite in some cases) , Dayne Barristan and Jaime aren't super human, they're all in peak condition, but so is young Robert, their speeds are all without a doubt comparable. Trust me there is no speed advantage apart from the fact a sword can move quicker than a hammer. Taking a sword against a warhammer when you both have plate (even a lighter and faster VSword) is an absolute death sentence. Getting into an armour joint without wrestling the opponent to the ground is so unbelievably difficult when the enemy is fighting back and often requires you to get close and do something called half swording so the blade stays rigid enough to get through the defences underneath the plate. You'd be leaving your self wide open to swings from that hammer and unlike the sword that hammer will hurt you and do damage no matter where it hits. It's an insanely unfavourable match up even for a master swordsman like Dayne. The statement about putting Robert in the ground is no doubt nothing but talk from Whent, the same way its all talk when Jaime waxes lyrical about how no one can beat him. Rhaegar also didn't wound Robert that badly, enough that he needed a bit of rest sure, but can't of been that bad since Robert insisted his maester treat a much more severely wounded Barristan instead of himself. I also don't know why people think Rhaegar was average either, he was clearly like Oberyn and good at anything he set his mind to and he set his mind to learning how to fight. I feel like people discredit him because he had other interests, but he clearly invested a lot of time and dedication into becoming a great fighter and while he may not have been at the top he was definitely noteworthy. I absolutely think Dayne, Barristan and Jaime are the greatest swordsmen and would make the top 3 easy. But there's more to fighting and been a warrior than skills with a sword :p Thanks for watching Richiebob and sharing your thoughts, was an interesting read and a well made argument! Liam
@richiebob54778 ай бұрын
@@TheFandomeClipsI agree with most of that however if you take in GRRM’s statements about Dayne he says Dayne would beat a prime Barristan in a fight if armed with Dawn and if they had equal equipment he said it’s 50/50. When asked point blank who George would have as champion to defend him, that includes everyone, he answered Arthur immediately. I still think Dayne is a better warrior. I feel like he was experienced enough to use Roberts anger and aggression against him when Rhaegar wasn't skilled enough and not on the levels of the best swordsmen and knights in the realms, Rhaegar was skilled but he ain’t nowhere near top 15 warriors, but he’s still good, dawn was so sharp that it drew blood from Jamie during his knighting and Arthur barely touched him, so I'm guessing that one well placed slice from dayne could end the fight as quickly as Roberts war hammer. As Syrio tells Arya, it's more about reading your opponent. Robert was quite the fighter however he hadn't been in many one-on-one situations with skilled fighters in combat at this point. I'm assuming Arthur Dayne had way more experience, tourneys, the brotherhood, he sparred with the greatest knights in the realm constantly, the kingsguard consisting of the likes of a much younger Barristan than what we see in the tv series and at the start of the books, a young Jaime who even at that point was one of the best in the realm, I may be wrong but I think he never lost a melee either. Robert has to swing his warhammer with quite some force behind it in order to crush Dayne's armour, this would have made his swings long and predictable to a fighter like Dayne, on top of that Robert was extremely hot tempered and he’d probably try to catch Dayne out which would leave somewhere for Dayne to cut and end the fight. Dayne on the other hand could also jab, slice, thrust to deal damage making his movements more unpredictable and flexible to adapt to Robert's elaborate movements. Assuming they are on foot, Robert is more likely to trip and slip given his aggression while Dayne could be very observant of his surroundings and could actually lead Robert into environmental traps, Robert’s armour could be cut as the mountain wore the thickest set of armour in the 7 kingdoms and Oberyn still found his way through his armour joints, Rhaegar and Robert fought on for quite some time and Robert was said to have been wounded by Rhaegar to the point where he couldn't continue on right away to KL, but you are right he did tell the maester to help Barristan first but that may be due to him wanting to be honourable as in his prime Bobby B had honour and also Ned stark had to March to kingslanding in roberts place due to the injuries he withstood from Rhaegar. While Rhaegar was good he’s not up there with Dayne, Selmy, Jaime, Robert didn’t one shot him with his hammer, it took a while so I don’t think he’d one shot Dayne, while Robert was an absolute beast I’d still choose arthur but I do see and agree with most of your points. It would be high difficulty for Dayne imo on the trident that day, but any other day could argue mid diff.
@loganwallace1018 ай бұрын
@@richiebob5477 You are imagining Robert going for great over the head swings but he wouldn't need anything close to that to deal significant damage, he can be swinging that thing back and forth incredibly quickly as a swordsman would and if you can't dodge every single time then wfrom a hammer that size even a single hit and its over.
@richiebob54778 ай бұрын
@@loganwallace101 He fought Rhaegar head on, on horseback and they did not have that much mobility during their fight yet he did not one shot Rhaegar, the two fought for quite some time and in that time Rhaegar actually wounded Robert quite badly and Robert had to have ned go to kings landing for him, Rhaegar is not on the levels of Dayne, Selmy, Jaime etc
@glumphyStoned8 ай бұрын
The weight of the hammer would slow Robert for a moment, and a moment is a fatal opportunity for someone as skilled as Dayne.
@sergoldenhandthejust14958 ай бұрын
Brienne remembered her fight with Jaime Lannister in the woods. It had been all that she could do to keep his blade at bay. He was weak from his imprisonment, and chained at the wrists. No knight in the Seven Kingdoms could have stood against him at his full strength, with no chains to hamper him. Jaime had done many wicked things, but the man could fight! His maiming had been monstrously cruel. It was one thing to slay a lion, another to hack his paw off and leave him broken and bewildered.
@TheFandomeClips8 ай бұрын
Jaime is a beast 💪 well with two hands anyway 😂
@jameshedrick44909 ай бұрын
I actually agree with Robert's placement in the top spot. We must remember he defeated and killed Rhaegar Targaryen in single combat at the Trident and Rhaegar was also a top tier fighter, probably close to the level of Jaime and Barriston in his day. As an interesting aside, I now think it would be fascinating to see a fight between the Hound and Oberyn, the Hound and the Viper if you will. Oberyn won't be able to use his speed or reach advantage in nearly the same way and is dealing with an opponent far more skilled and talented yet no less strong and aggressive than the Mountain. This would be very interesting especially if they were dropped in cold without prep.
@TheFandomeClips9 ай бұрын
Thanks James! Always good to see you in the comments. Yeah he got the top spot by virtue of his common sense. Only guy to use an anti armour weapon in a realm where armour is a common sight on your enemy. Doesn't matter how skilled with a sword you are if you can't get to the squishy bits with any kind of ease. Especially if your opponent can take you out with a single clonk to your head. I think if you dropped Oberyn in cold vs Sandor we'd have one dead dornish prince on our hands, Thom made a great point to me in our discord server and that is Oberyn is like Batman, capable on the fly, but preperation is the key to him hanging with the big dogs! Thanks for watching! Liam
@hexflash.8 ай бұрын
oh fck that Rhaegar thing, It wasn't even that impressive. whats impressive is that Robert killed the prince and was fighting in the frontline being down 5000 men and still survived being the most targeted. for context, Arthur Dyane with dawn died being down only 4 men. HAHAHAHAHA again Robert is down 5000 men and he was in the frontline, LET THAT SINK IN for a moment
@anatoldenevers2373 ай бұрын
Was Rhaegar a top tier fighter? I'm sure he was good but the only person who says he was top tier that I recall is Viserys, who never actually saw him fight and is completely delusional about everything. Dany talks about he was the greatest to Barristan and Barristan(who actually knew Rhaegar) clearly seems to disagree but doesn't want to outright say so to be polite.
@TheFirstJedi8 ай бұрын
Arthur Dayne is the GOAT.
@r.andrewwhy58285 ай бұрын
Why wasn't Prince Rhaegar Targaryen included? We are told that Bobby B and he circled around four times in an epic battle at the Trident...
@herethere652 ай бұрын
@@r.andrewwhy5828 I was wondering why he was not even an honorable mention 🤔
@Rob_and_Other_NamesАй бұрын
Because he was pants. His arms and armor were intimidating but he was better with a lute than a sword. Also, he had the arrogance of Jamie Lanister, believing himself to be the Prince that Promised right up to the moment he crossed Big Bobby B.
@kylemma336 ай бұрын
Finally someone gives Garlan Tyrell the respect he deserves.
@shinobi_warlord71879 ай бұрын
This type of video always has the most views on your channel, you should make more of this type. Very good.
@TheFandomeClips9 ай бұрын
Oh don't worry Shinobi, more are in the works we know a good thing when we see it 😂 Thank you for watching! Liam
@brendan98689 ай бұрын
I was a bit nervous when I saw Arthur at 2, I thought you were boutta go full show mode and pick Jon Snow. Roberts a good pick, people kinda underrate him a lot, which is pretty odd for a character who’s whole reputation is being a conqueror and an absolute menace on the battlefield.
@TheFandomeClips9 ай бұрын
Jon can’t even beat Karl Fucking Tanner😂😂 - Thom
@jacobcasmus18828 ай бұрын
I believe Barristan Selmy is a BEAST! Im with you when you said at his prime he would be #2 Maybe...# 1...idk tho, the Sword of The Morning is like a Super Legend!
@THEDonnyB8 ай бұрын
To be fair about Bobby B as a strategist losing one battle... Jt was to Randyl goddamn Tarly. Bobby's biggest strength was as a fighter, Tywins biggest strength was being politically unstoppable, and Randyls biggest strength was commanding an army. Randyl was a tactical GENIUS. I am confident that if Randyl was at the battle of the ruby fjord the loyalists would have won.
@Borislav_Yordanov2 ай бұрын
5 bobby b 4 oberyn m 3 Jaime L 2 Barristan S 1 the sword of the morning
@pickytugboat95129 ай бұрын
amazing video as always, and perfect for my study breaks. Can not wait for the next video
@TheFandomeClips9 ай бұрын
Hey Tug great to see you in the comments! Thanks for watching! Liam
@AkodoGarou9 ай бұрын
Going up this list, i was like, alright, cool. And top three was like, who is winning, and im all for this top three. Robert, Arthur, and Jaime with Barristan and Oberyn rounding it out. Love this
@TheFandomeClips9 ай бұрын
Thanks Akodo! As you can see in the comments not everyone is happy with Bobby over Dayne, but in a fight with armour, Hammer beats sword 9/10. I've heard common sense is pretty valuable in fights 😂 Thanks for watching! Liam
@The_Malcontented7 ай бұрын
#7 YES! God I love Garlan (plus, from the limited scenes he has gotten in the books, it seems like he's a decent guy as well)
@percy39939 ай бұрын
This is the best list I’ve seen and to be honest I agree on nearly everything. Except that I think that the giant like lord of Robbs army wasn’t put above the mountain. But I understand why because we never saw him fight
@TheFandomeClips9 ай бұрын
Ah Greatjon! Yeah that dude is a unit and you could in all reality put him in The Mountains place. But without enough fights and feats behind him, we'd have opened our selfs up to "You've got nothing to base that on" comments. Thanks for the kind words and thank you for watching! Liam
@chasejordan229 ай бұрын
Great video all around. Im very glad you give Jamie the respect he deserves. Jamie is my favorite character ever.
@TheFandomeClips9 ай бұрын
Don't mess with the Kingslayer with both hands is a good way to stay alive! Thanks for watching! Liam
@Ozzywozzy8 ай бұрын
Ser Barristan fought very uniquely before his death, I remember a particular move where he had his sword pointed down and killed a harpy simply by pulling it up.
@TheFandomeClips8 ай бұрын
Upwards cuts are the hardest to do in real life because the Swords weight isn't helping you. Barristan was a beast and probably saw his sword as an extra limb, I wish we could have see him doing more cool and unique things it! Thanks for watching ozzywozzy! Liam
@Ozzywozzy8 ай бұрын
@@TheFandomeClipsSeriously we need a short series of his life.
@unovasfinest26239 ай бұрын
(I lean more to the books here) For me its: 1. Prime Barristan 2. Arthur Dayne 3. Jaime 4. The Mountain 5. Oberyn Martell 6. Victarion Greyjoy 7. Prime Bobby B 8. Garlan Tyrell 9. The Hound 10. Areo Hotah I wanna put Lyn Corbray and Balon Swann on here so bad but we havent seen either of them throw tf down
@hexflash.8 ай бұрын
bro you don't read the books if that's your list. where the hell is Daemon Blackfyre, Dragonknight, Sandoq the shadow, Gwayne Corbray? you clearly doesn't read the books bro HAHAHAHAHA or you do but failed on comprehension or you are just bias. Also, Robert Baratheon has the best feats alongside Barristen Selmy so I don't think this list is close to being justified, more like opinion and bias
@unovasfinest26238 ай бұрын
@@hexflash. i've only read the main books and yeah.... this IS my opinion. Youre allowed to have a diffrrent answer
@hexflash.8 ай бұрын
@@unovasfinest2623 i mean sure but your opinion is not different to 1+1=3. I don't think it's entirely wrong but lacks a big big whole lot of things
@unovasfinest26238 ай бұрын
@@hexflash. lemme repeat it. This is all people's opinions. I have my opinion. You have yours. And thats fine
@scoliosis94788 ай бұрын
first 3 are definitely right and I think your 4-10 are the right people but i think the spots could be debated
@omegavulture83799 ай бұрын
You could even say that the Hound has that dawg in him 😏
@shifterverse8 ай бұрын
Bollocks, Crap, Dammit that would have been so much better than our actual closer to his segment 😂 Thanks for watching! Liam
@-_-54709 ай бұрын
Nice list, thanks! But it's kinda unfair imo, that you are considering everyone at their prime except Barristan (who was a one-man-army that ended conflicts singlehandidly) (Also the Greatjon bullies the hell out of the lower fighters on this list)
@kurtwpg9 ай бұрын
Yeah, like how does Robert Baratheon just suddenly get to be his best version?
@TheFandomeClips9 ай бұрын
Everyone else needed a chance. Putting Prime Barristan into the mix is a bit like putting Anakin in a room with younglings 😂 Thanks for watching! Liam
@nicolaszan18458 ай бұрын
Do we have any evidence that the Greatjon would bully the Mountain in a fight? Or those above him?
@uwemattiss8806 ай бұрын
Lyanna mormont must be on the list,she's the only one who fought an undead giant and won!give her highnesses her flowers she deserves it.
@paulcervantes5285 ай бұрын
Cringe
@uwemattiss8805 ай бұрын
@@paulcervantes528 yeah,she's the baddest MF in GoT.
@thecensoredmuscle5634 ай бұрын
Plot armor and screaming is outmatched only by arya.
@dflctrq88818 ай бұрын
1 arthur dayne 2 barristan selmy 3 jaime lannister 4 robert baratheon 5 aemon dragon knight 6 daemon blackfyre 7 sandoq the shadow 8 sandor cleygane 9 oberyn martel 9-10 gwayne corbray 10 gregor cleygane
@jessevaneman4734 ай бұрын
@@dflctrq8881 i would put criston cole at a similar level as the hound
@anatoldenevers2373 ай бұрын
Nice list good to see someone talking about the historical badasses. There's some other I would have on that list instead but with the ones you've got I'd put Sandoq higher probably number 3 after Selmy and Dayne, and Daemon Blackfyre at number 4. Gwayne Corbray higher too, he must have been nearly equal to Daemon to fight him for so long.
@inBODwetrust138 ай бұрын
The point around weaponry is so underrated. It’s no wonder so many “great” warriors lived so long when none of them used weapons that actually might kill each other
@conorbryan78069 ай бұрын
Another great video always love your content
@TheFandomeClips9 ай бұрын
Hey Connor great to see you in the comments as usual! Thanks for watching! Liam
@BigBurg979 ай бұрын
My thing with the warhammer vs longsword is Robert is basically one of only 3 maybe 4 people in this universe who could even use one properly
@TheFandomeClips9 ай бұрын
Definitely! I mean a regular warhammer hits hard. Bobbys thing is ludicrously unrealistically big. That thing will break bones with a single hit, providing the wielder can swing it, which Bobby could, he must have genuinely been a freak of nature on the strength front! Thanks for watching Burg! Liam
@loganwallace1018 ай бұрын
Exactly, most people will have never been up against something like that
@derekamankwahmensah91297 ай бұрын
I think Jon Snow should have gotten a slot
@BabylonianCowboy5 ай бұрын
Jon was a great commander, but he wasn’t the one on one warrior that the others in the top ten were. He and Robb were raised to be good leaders by Ned, but not to be vicious killers.
@MrGaboPR5 ай бұрын
@@BabylonianCowboy he was put in the worst commander’s list
@danzemacabre88995 ай бұрын
Yeah he only killed like 30 guys at the battle of the bastards, white walkers ,beat the shit out of Ramsey , if it's life or death I wouldn't mind Jon on the list
@AstroSully4 ай бұрын
@@BabylonianCowboyI think Show Jon has a case certainly not Book Jon.
@aratakasuga40954 ай бұрын
@@AstroSully Why not book Jon? Also, he can warg so like its permanently a 2v1 with Ghost isn't it? He doesn't even need to actively be warging with their connection, Ghost would just move in tandem no?
@joshu42729 ай бұрын
Just love Liam's voice
@TheFandomeClips9 ай бұрын
Why thanks Josh 😊 I have had many compliments on my voice, "Like a male banshee" which I think means my voice is very melodic and "like sandpaper for the ear" which I'm assuming means I sound rough and manly 😂 Thanks for tuning in! Liam
@majeedmamah74579 ай бұрын
He does have a very distinctive voice.
@davidls1872 ай бұрын
My only complaint is that we're talking about prime Robert and not prime Barristan
@Art-is-craft20 күн бұрын
Robert is fully tested in war whereas Ser Barristan is not.
@koreancowboy427 ай бұрын
It's very good you mentioned in the throne room where the Hound puts his hand on his sword but not drawing it. And even the Hound wasn't laughing or anything.
@floworcrash4 ай бұрын
Jamie's monologue about Selmy while he was captured by Robb was one of my fav moments of the show.
@remnantreacts98459 ай бұрын
Nice video the fandome can't wait for what you do next. Bonus points for the dig at Cersei there calling her an arrogant egotistical entitled brat is the most accurate description I have ever seen. 🤣
@TheFandomeClips9 ай бұрын
We've heard there's some pretty crappy commanders and also some great warriors across the sea................... Thanks for the kind words and thanks for watching! P.S- I fucking hate Cersei😂 Liam
@Ughhgffhhhffff5 ай бұрын
Arthur vs. Drogo vs. Arya vs. Robert. With the Bennie Hill theme playing in the background.
@dutch1489 ай бұрын
Great Jon not detected, opinion rejected.
@Gerson.Reyes.C8 ай бұрын
I see you're a man of culture
@nipurnbandi91144 ай бұрын
I know only myyyyy queeeeeen
@lawdogattorneyatlaw48864 ай бұрын
@@nipurnbandi9114The Greatjon, not Jon Snow
@Biloute114 ай бұрын
@@dutch148 if jon isn’t here, that’s a good top
@dutch1484 ай бұрын
@@Biloute11 I am talking about Greatjon Umber, not the bastard of Winterfell.
@TotallyNotJustCynical5 ай бұрын
One thing that i think is fun to think of (even if its just in the show) is that Bronn didn't outright refuse the idea that he could beat the mountain, he just stated the uncertainty isn't worth risking his life for.
@wethepeople14898 ай бұрын
Bruh…. Gorge R.R. Martin himself said the best two in all (his world that he created) are Barristan Selmy and Arthur Dayne. And Arthur Dayne being better than Barristan if he uses the sword of the morning.
@Hendrix-lg9dn4 ай бұрын
Swordsman**
@thecensoredmuscle5634 ай бұрын
Those are the 2 best swordsman, Robert would bash in both with the warhammer though.
@thetruestrepairman742322 күн бұрын
Great top! I would only disagree a bit on Barristan. I think my top 4 would be: 4: Jaime 3: Robert 2: Selmy 1: Dayne
@lukaslambs57808 ай бұрын
I honestly think Barristan, Arthur, Robert, and Jaime are all roughly equal and it depends on the circumstance and they each have their own drawbacks and strong suits.
@shifterverse8 ай бұрын
This is absolutely spot on. We're actually going to do a video about this very thing and how styles make fights in a grounded verse like Thrones! Thanks for watching! Liam
@Darkpara12 ай бұрын
Dayne and Barristan in their primes are about even. Dayne has the advantage when wielding Dawn. Behind him its going to be Obereyn, or Jaimie. Then its probably going to be Gregor Clegane over Bobby B. Hes bigger, stronger, and more durable with his giant tower shield and armor.
@vikashkumarsharma14122 ай бұрын
BRO DID YOU WATCHED THE VIDEO??? HOW THE HELL MOUNTAIN CAN EVEN THINK OF BEATING PRIME ROBERT
@XVlTrey9 ай бұрын
Are you and Robert related 😂 lol. All jokes aside. He always gets too many favorable considerations. The way you described it, he and the mountain both had very similar points and advantages, like eeriely similar, yet they were separated at opposite ends of the list, because of a hammer. Sir Arthur Dayne is rolling over in his grave haha. great vid, love your topics.
@finlayames62169 ай бұрын
Difference is mountain is probably only slightly above average in skill and only gets so high because of his size and strength. Robert has had statements talking about his actual skill as well. Robert defeated Rhagar in single combat, who was at least top 10 if not top 5 of his time behind likely only Robert, Jamie, Selmy and Dayne, meanwhile the mountain hasn’t fought anyone notable other then Sandor in the first book, who seemed to handle him without too much trouble, and obviously the Viper, who he definitely lost too and only killed him because of Obyrn desperately trying to get a confession before he died of his mortal wounds. While I do agree giving Robert number 1 is debatable, especially as we don’t see him in his prime, what we do have places him considerably above the mountain.
@TheFandomeClips9 ай бұрын
haha No i just think the big man deserves some credit (the current bobby love is also a bit of an inside joke between me and Thom, I've been winding him up about it for a while now, it has had its day though and we're going to veer away from it a little in future vids) . Trust me a hammer vs a sword is a ridiculously unfair match up if you've got the sword and both of you are rocking armour. The sword has to find extremely small and specific targets to even so much as hurt the opponent, whereas the hammer can hit literally anywhere on the body and it will do damage, regardless of armour. Bobbys hammer as depicted would break the bones of even the mountain with every hit, its that monstrous. The Top 5 are all comparable anyway we only gave Robert #1 because he seemed to have more common sense than the others when it came to weapons. Finlay has also made some good points in his comment that I won't repeat. thanks for watching as always man! Liam
@XVlTrey9 ай бұрын
@@TheFandomeClips Before veering away, Who do you all think is the best female fighter in GOT?
@anatoldenevers2373 ай бұрын
@@finlayames6216 I don't think Rhaegar is really that elite of a fighter. He was certainly good but I think the only word of him being truly elite was from Viserys who like 5 when Rhaegar died and is shown to be totally delusional about his family. I do agree though that Robert is far more skilled than Gregor.
@oliverjones59794 ай бұрын
One thought I’ve always had about the Bron vs The mountain debate is that Bron comes up with the exact same strategy(dance around him tire him out before striking) as Oberyn but stresses the importance of never getting distracted even for a second because of Gregor’s obvious freak physical factor. Maybe if he thought to use poisoned weaponry he would’ve stepped in for Tyrion lest it be forgotten he was willing to run it with the hound during the battle of blackwater so who knows.
@KeithNoland22115 ай бұрын
Thanks. I enjoyed the video. I'm not going to argue too much, I just want to stick up for Arthur Dayne a little. As a Martial Artist/fighter myself, I appreciate that you discuss battlefield tactics & realities of combat. I'm not in any way denying the good points about Robert & his hammer. I would like to point out that Myamoto Musashi (as well as other great warriors in history) talked/wrote quite a bit about the advantages of dual-wielding. (And I don't just mean the ability to pull out your dagger in combat for a close range strike). Arthur seems to have an extreme proficiency in this department which I think makes him even more dangerous & efficient. Also, when people talk about Dawn, they usually talk about it's quality as a blade & the unique metal it was made from. Although, it's also important to remember that unlike many Valyrian swords, Dawn was not passed down. You had to EARN Dawn & be worthy to wield it. (I know you already know this, but I feel it's worth mentioning). Again, I Love the video & I'm not trying to change anything, I just wanted to voice those other points about The Sword of The Morning.
@alfredlorenzen8689 ай бұрын
Im backing that list with the set conditions. Good job.
@TheFandomeClips9 ай бұрын
Thanks Alfred! Liam
@mattlundy61088 ай бұрын
This video is awesome, absolutely excellent breakdown
@slimjoneslfc96959 ай бұрын
Why have you considered Prime Bobby B, but current Ser Barristan? I feel both should be considered in their primes.
@appa6097 ай бұрын
Because he loves Robert
@richiebob54776 ай бұрын
@@appa609Yea exactly, Dayne would humiliate Robert, I can smell the biased from miles of way, saying Barristan would be number 1 when Arthur’s above the bold with dawn
@connormacleod14905 ай бұрын
Prime Selmy was wounded in the battle of the trident by a no name fighter. He is overrated man.
@connormacleod14905 ай бұрын
@@richiebob5477dayne was killed by a nobody. Another overrated dude he was.
@richiebob54775 ай бұрын
@@connormacleod1490 The author statements put him and Dayne well over Robert and any other fighter, lmao, Robert is overrated
@martinkerr27217 ай бұрын
Bobby B swinging his hammer that Ned could struggle to swing two handed lol
@nicolaspallini63389 ай бұрын
Barristan the Bold > everyone else
@TheKonkaman9 ай бұрын
Untrained civvies with knifes > Barristan the Bold
@als30229 ай бұрын
Well that was a quick ending. Discussion over, comments section closed.
@DingoAteMyMail9 ай бұрын
G.R.R Martin said himself that Arthur Dayne was the greatest swordsman who ever lived though, so nah😬
@AstroSully4 ай бұрын
@@DingoAteMyMailGive Barristan Dawn and let’s see who’s better. Barristan did 10X more feat than Arthur with a regular sword and even his bare hands 😂
@jagmbaksvshsh3 ай бұрын
@@AstroSullymartin said they're equal unless arthur wields dawn so case closed
@steventilson21544 ай бұрын
Finally! Someone actually mentions how OP Robert's weapon choice is! Seriously hammers were and axes were definitely the best weapons overall to use is a medieval setting. Armor is not soft and you can't just poke through it. If you could nobody would wear it. Hammers and axes just straight up use kinetic energy to bulldoze right through your defenses. Great vid😊
@aratakasuga40954 ай бұрын
Valyrian steel can cut through plate no? So could dawn yes? Neither ever dull correct?
@Gscreenshorts5 ай бұрын
And you didn't mention John snow ?? Like really he killed the leader of thenn, a white Walker, Ramsey Bolton and many more in single combat and have been in many fights like battle of bastard ect he totally deserves to be on this list
@aleturano10524 ай бұрын
Another thing about Bobby B is that he killed Rhaegar in full plate with a blow to the CHEST, not the head or another vital spot. That's the spot where the armor and padding are the thickest, so he could literally get you with his worst shot and still end you
@blackmane36418 ай бұрын
George Martin has already said in an interview that Arthur Dayne is the best fighter who has ever lived in Westeros, checkmate, nothing more to discuss.
@JalimRabeikkkkkАй бұрын
I'm going to make a list mentioning great fighters in present Westeros people don't usually mention, in no particular order. 1 - Ser Balon Swann 2 - Ser Arys Oakheart 3 - Areo Hotah 4 - Ser Harras Harlaw 5 - Victarion Greyjoy 6 - Ser Bronn of the Blackwater 7 - Mance Rayder 8 - Ser Jason Mallister 9 - Andrik the Unsmiling 10 - Ser Daemon Sand 11 - Ser Rolland Storm 12 - Ser Lyn Corbray 13 - Ser Lothor Brune
@april-bloom9 ай бұрын
Almost first x3 love your videos guys
@jasontodd82963 ай бұрын
The whole "prep time" for Oberyn Martell makes him sound like Batman.
@AJb2488 ай бұрын
Yeah, that's crap. Dane was killed in combat by 7 opponents and You hold that against him? Guess what was the fat man killed by. Nah, Rob's going down with his hammer against Your top 5. Rhaegar who was a hobby swordsman wounded him to the point he was barely saved. Besides, you're being inconsistent making a list about best overall combatant and then giving only Robert permission to use a warhammer. I bet any of those skilled warriors could use similar weapon to kill him or were skilled enough with a longsword to put the manbearpig down cutting his plate's weak points and avoiding/blocking the hammer - yes You can block the strikes of a stronger man if You're quick enough and catch his weapon in unfavourable positions. Also why take Robert young and not Selmy? The books are clear Arthur, Barristan and Jaime are the best warriors in westeros and it's not particularily close to the rest.
@anatoldenevers2373 ай бұрын
I agree Robert is somewhat overrated and shouldn't be number 1, but it's not like killing Rhaegar is his only thing. And the battle of the bells he killed a bunch of soldiers with a sword, which wasn't even his preferred weapon, and despite being already wounded before the battle started. He was a monster
@AJb2483 ай бұрын
@@anatoldenevers237 that's fair. He sure is a monster in his youth, we know that much. Still i just can't believe him being on Dayne, Selmy or Jaime's level. Not with how Martin describes them and their prowess.
@anatoldenevers2373 ай бұрын
@@AJb248 He probably wasn't quite as good as them(Dayne and Selmy are both top 3 all time), but certainly I think would have been the best around aside from them during his prime. Hard to know exactly of course
@f.n8581Ай бұрын
@@AJb248Robert would defeat Jaime for sure !! I don’t get the jaime Hype 😂 he is so overhype
@Bowser23322 ай бұрын
Maybe i’m dumb or missing something but how come Ned wasn’t on this list at all? He was definitely very skilled and kept up pretty well with Arthur and was also doing well against a Jaime who still had both hands? I don’t see anyone else asking this which makes me definitely feel like i’m missing something lol
@davidedwards3838Ай бұрын
@Bowser2332 it's because it's popular to say Ned wasn't a good fighter.
@Art-is-craft20 күн бұрын
Ned was a battle proven knight. Thousands witnessed his feats in war. People are confusing swordsmanship with being a battle hardened knight. Jaime in a sword battle without armour would beat Ned but the armour in an open war the match up changes. Robert was also proven in this fashion.
@Rubinicus7 ай бұрын
Plate armour to protect from arrow fire and from heavy blows. Chainmail to protect from penetration and cutting blows and gambeson to keep you cool or warm and to accommodate the iron and steel on your skin. ❤
@christhovhannisyan20746 ай бұрын
This channel deserves at least 1 million followers.
@TheFandomeClips6 ай бұрын
Call the banners. - Thom
@Rob_and_Other_NamesАй бұрын
Makes you wonder what was written on those four pages about Ser Duncan in the Kingsguard Book of Brothers. Most of what we know puts him at above average combat skill, beastial strength, with a Cat's luck, but their is still a lot we don't know.
@ALForb6 ай бұрын
"Yet-to-be-humbled Jaime Lanister" is a funny line. Being humbled is the theme of his story.
@MrKwan0075 ай бұрын
Everyone who’d ever heard of Ser Jorah Mormont regarded him as someone to be taken (very) seriously. A highly-decorated combat vet whose loyalty, grit, bravery, and determination suggest that he should be on the list. Not top 5, but definitely top 10 or 15. He even beat Jamie in a jousting tournament (in the book). Highly underrated.
@DetectiveChele5 ай бұрын
I imagine Jaquan the faceless man has to be a beast. Look how badass Arya now imagine him
@richardb29428 ай бұрын
I've never read a book or watch the show but this was entertaining I'm subscribing
@universetech.17843 ай бұрын
I think these top 10 Videos should consider John Snow, never really lost a battle and never really got injured in a battle.
@Pcervelli118 ай бұрын
Best list I’ve seen. Bobby B is an absolute savage
@autarchyriel13959 ай бұрын
A counterpoint to the warhammer vs longsword argument is valyrian steel and Dawn (it only applies to Dayne but still) : Valyrian steel is said to cut trough plate like it's just silk or paper. So, as unrealistic as it seems, Dawn would be terrifyingly efficient at fighting armored knights, who think themselves safe from harm when facing swords. Arthur would slice trough any armor with ease, and with that having a lighter weapon. So yeah it works for Bobby B, but any valyrian steel / Dawn user kind of pick an even better option, granted it's not very common...
@TheFandomeClips9 ай бұрын
They don't though thats the thing my friend. Its commonly accepted the whole "cuts through plate like cloth" thing is nothing but in universe hyperbole because of how sharp and unbreakable V steel is. The times we see a Vsword cut through armour in the story is through quite light armour, never plate, something a well made regular well made sword can also do if it hits the right spots. Same with the instance where Brienne cuts through someone else's sword with Oathkeeper, thats not out of the realms of possibility for a regular well made sword and is more dependent on how tired, worn and weak the steel of your opponents weapon is rather than the strength of yours and just how big a mollywhoop you gave it. If Vswords and Dawn really could cut through plate and steel noone would have ever crossed swords with their wielders and gotten past the first strike because it would basically be like fighting someone with a lightsaber. Its just a logical fallacy that they have that property. Vswords and Dawn are lighter, never lose their edge meaning you can strike plate and not have to worry about dulling it and there's certainly something magical about them, but lightsabers they are not. Still I'd take a Vsword over a regular sword if I had to fight Bobby's bloody hammer, every little helps eh? 😂 Thank you for watching and sharing your thoughts! Liam
@durrangodsgrief65039 ай бұрын
@@TheFandomeClipsare the actor voiced videos none canon because jorah video states and shows this
@loganwallace1018 ай бұрын
@@TheFandomeClips Yeah if they could cut through plate like that then they could cut through swords just the same and that does not happen 😂
@thewanderer43368 ай бұрын
Dayne had 2 swords right? Dawn was one of them, what was the other? Was the other one Valyrian steel?
@joshuaprietophoto4 ай бұрын
Of Sandor' Clegane's fear of fire: "..and even in the end he was able to confront that fear and take down his zombified brother." He smashed Gregor through the wall. He had no idea there was fire down there. I think the idea was simply to push him from a great height. He did manage his fear of fire to defeat Berrick Dondarrion, though.
@4CelciusDegree8 ай бұрын
Bro how can you make content about Game of Thrones for years now it's amazing you are not bored yet
@11bluekitkats9 ай бұрын
Gotta be your best video yet! I wonder if the video we’re going to make can top it 👀.
@TheFandomeClips9 ай бұрын
Hey Star Wars Danger! (Subscribe to this guys channel its great) we've heard there's some pretty cool fighters across the sea and beyond the wall ;)
@11bluekitkats9 ай бұрын
@@TheFandomeClips Thank you, but I’m referring to a certain Star Wars video Liam and I have talked about.👀
@liahfox58407 ай бұрын
I still give the #1 spot to Dane, because I read the books. The sword of Dawn is actually what the whole story is based off of, and the only weapon believed to be capable of killing the Night King. Valarian steel can kill white walkers as they found out, but the Night King was on a whole other level. You saw him one-shot a dragon throwing a spear as if it was shot from a rail gun. So I hope GRRM doesn't let HBO finish his amazing story, because none of what was already wrote would make a shred of sense otherwise.
@marcusdial3119 ай бұрын
I’m love that you used Reacher footage for Bobby B
@TheFandomeClips9 ай бұрын
Been watching Reacher lately and the man's an absolute unit, perfect for some bobby b - roll ! - Thom