Basketball Tragedy | Here’s What Really Happened to Kobe Bryant’s Helicopter (Final Report)

Find out why the helicopter carrying professional basketball player Kobe Bryant and eight more people crashed in the city of Calabasas, California, around 30 miles northwest of downtown Los Angeles (with real audio).
The NTSB recently published its final report on the accident of N72EX, and so the "Basketball Tragedy" video had to be updated. This new video features better information about what happened on board the flight.
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The NTSB recently published its final report on the accident of N72EX, and so the "Basketball Tragedy" video had to be updated. This new video features better information about what happened on board the flight. Once again, I would like to express my deepest condolences to the families of those who have lost their loved ones on board the helicopter. 😢

[@SticksAandstonesBozo]

Why does it take years to get this info ? Because like anything else it’s ran by humans. Idiots.

[@coryverses]

Mamba Forever. 💙

[@mrshark7292]

I can never forget this incident😭😭😢😢

[@Jen-X333]

@@SticksAandstonesBozo Because a shit ton of work has to be put in to figure this stuff out - the why, how, who, when, etc. After crashes, they literally put aircraft back together piece by piece. And I mean every single piece. That is one reason; I am sure it’s not the only one.

[@johnbenjiebarnuevo1489]

Mamba out💗😥

[@TheDornado]

The helicopter flew over my house in Burbank shortly before crashing. As a pilot I remember looking up and seeing it and thinking "what fool is flying in these conditions." The helicopter had to stay way too low because of the clouds. It was the thickest layer I had seen in years. Trying to scud run in VFR was just asking for a tragedy to happen. It was 100% an IFR only type of day.

[@gbpg2016]

Isn’t there someone that says, no IFR flights today? We have government agencies for everything it seems. If there is then why didn’t they ground IFR flights or at the very least have pilots avoid that area knowing the weather was to bad.

[@TheDornado]

@@gbpg2016 I think you mean VFR, not IFR. These conditions were fine for IFR. And yes, there are rules for when you can fly VFR and they were not met. The towers controllers would not have cleared him for VFR and they did not. The problem is the pilot here used SVFR or SpecialVFR. These let you fly VFR is conditions that are well below normal VFR weather. They are supposed to only be used to either quickly get to good weather for takeoff or landing or if the weather changes fast and you can no longer fly VFR. The pilot used it as a trick to fly in bad weather and not what it is intended for. But also, the controllers can not see what is happening everywhere so it is really on the pilot anywhere except in airport areas to follow the rules and maintain VFR flight. We can only speculate as to why the pilot did what he did, but in the end it was abhorrent decision making that got 7 people killed.

[@gomie_b7821]

I remember that day well, my friend spent the previous night at my house because the fog was so thick we couldn't even see down the block. By the morning it was manageable to drive in, but still way too dense to fly in. Mr. Zobayan should've diverted to Whiteman and called an Uber XL to finish the job. Such a shame.

[@MJKarkoska]

Lol. "When the weather is bad we will only let pilots fly visually. And if the weather is good we will make all pilots black out their windows." -former FAA employee who wanted to do less work.

[@ColorMeIn]

I live in LA and I remember this vividly, it was so cloudy/foggy that my first thought when I got the news was “who would fly in this weather”?

[@TealAstronaut]

Sometimes saying no and disappointing someone is better than doing something you know is wrong

[@kennymarket2428]

The most used comment on this video.

[@jondishmonmusicandstuff2753]

A.K.A. aaliyah or JFK Jr.

[@ENDWOKEDEGENERACY]

To this day I believe Kobe was flying that helicopter. He never stood back from a challenge and when the pilot said he couldn’t fly Kobe did.

[@manboss52gaming30]

@@ENDWOKEDEGENERACY No because it was the pilot in the helicopter and it crashed with the pilot in the board

[@jessicamarie8299]

Just imagine, had the pilot said no him, Kobe, Gianna and the others would still be alive. Sad

[@bmstyle]

The pressure of having Kobe on board and having to say "hey Kobe, No can do today, get a limo to take you" is what caused the crash. The courage to do that is harder than flying any machine. It's a risk he took and had he landed safely, we wouldn't be talking about it. Unfortunately, the gamble wasn't favorable this time and the scary thing is that this is happening today as we speak and we don't hear about it because they are landing safely but sooner or later...another one will make a bad decision.

[@ThePancakee]

Isnt it crazy they were near the mamba facility couldve landed near there and got a ride smh

[@luisn818]

That’s an assumption that you clearly are just making up. You knew Kobe personally? You ever her fly him ANYWHERE? The fuckin nerve of everyone including you just assuming that kobe would’ve fired the guy for telling him it was not safe to fly fuckin baffles my mind. How stupid does that sound?

[@PApro]

@@ThePancakee Yeah but dont you know, Kobe was FAR TOO GOOD to sit in a car! He used to demand to take the chopper even if he was just going a mile down the road. I guarantee the pilot never wanted to fly but Kobe gave him no choice, either fly or loose your job and never work in this town again.

[@bmstyle]

@@luisn818 what? What the hell are you talking about? Lmfao. I’m not going to even justify replying to you. That was the dumbest comment I have read in a while. Go back and read what I wrote. Who the hell said anything about Kobe’s reaction? And fired who? The helicopter belonged to a company who hired the pilot. Not Kobe. Are you a pilot? If not, Stfu.

[@numnut1516]

Absolutely false, the pilot is responsible. Saying “no” is a pilots duty when flying isn’t safe.

[@lynfield1]

It's much better to be sitting on the ground wishing you were up in the air, than up in the air wishing you were on the ground.

[@AvumileTundzi]

2 pac was in ground but killed

[@ChristiansAreRtards]

​@@AvumileTundzinpc

[@BrianSapp945]

@@AvumileTundzi, So was BIGGIE WIGGIE SMALLS

[@TeeNicole10]

Amen🙏🏽 GOD BLESS EVERYONE ONBOARD 🥹🙏🏽

[@thefreedomguyuk]

The single most important qualification of a commercial aviator is the courage to say "No!". It may cost you a job or two, but it will also on occasion save your life.

[@heytherebato]

Shouldn’t have to cost you your own job

[@Cloud-js6lf]

@@heytherebato actually, it can

[@thefreedomguyuk]

@@heytherebato That's life, it does. I've been fired for doing what they taught us at the CRM classes, I've declared myself "unfit for flight" when I was feeling really poorly. Corporate culture can be very harsh.

[@thefreedomguyuk]

@@Cloud-js6lf Indeed. It's sadly pretty common. There's always another pilot willing to take on the flight, no matter conditions. 🤢

[@Cloud-js6lf]

@@thefreedomguyuk so you're still a pilot or nah?

[@361983200]

I still remember that morning. My job at that time required me wake up early. The fog was so thick I could hardly see down the road I was driving on. When my coworker told me about this tragedy, I intuitively thought about the fog I saw. RIP to everyone on that helicopter.

[@chrisp7110]

Agreed. It is more dangerous when you are flying because you are still in the air, and you aren't worried about horizontal collisions but also vertical collisions.

[@dontsugarcoat2729]

What goes up must come down.

[@floodwaters8887]

Dare say if it wasn't Bryant they wouldn't be flying

[@metalgearsolidsnake6978]

​ @CooManTunes spiderman into the spiderverse< crazy accident!?

[@0mikr0n]

At my old workplace, Kobe was a semi-regular visitor. Our valet attendants loved him. He was chill. Dropped a $300 tip on them every time he parked up. Our entire business was devastated. Some people just broke down and wept where they stood, and a few had to go home. It was a sad, sad day for us.

[@graciegjj]

Sounds like you're just missing the money because that's all you knew...

[@deathlarsen7502]

was it a whore house?

[@deathlarsen7502]

you guys were devastated bc there went the $300 tips

[@monilparikh5171]

no mo 300 dolla tips so yeah they wept

[@togafly.]

@@monilparikh5171 😂

[@LifeisaBeautifulting]

I still remember this day vividly. The worst thing about this tragedy was the way new outlets handled it. Vanessa Bryant found out about her husband and child's death the same way we did and that's so sickening

[@ManItsWindy73]

🖕HER how about that

[@TravisBlack]

I mean, it was a pretty public event. You don't have to be Kobe Bryant for an LA helicopter crash to make the news.

[@Fakewhack-st8fl]

Who cares? She was handed generations of wealth and did nothing but lay on her back. Id say it's a fair trade

[@LegoCollector30]

I ALSO SAY NO TO N72EX AND THE MANUFACTURER.

[@KHLinedancing2012]

@@Fakewhack-st8fl you sound ignorant, disrepectful and jealous!

[@Chicken_Nugget1]

I won't put one man's name above anybody else's in this accident. R.I.P. to all on board both passengers & crew.

[@Citrusfruits50]

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@pamelablasse6920]

😥😥😥😢😢😢😭😭😭

[@Brendan-Black]

Thank you.

[@tonyrebel63]

Respect to you, people get caught up in celebrities, some dont remember they had to crawl before they could walk like everyone else. They all perished together so each life was special to their loved ones. May they all rest in peace.

[@chuckdeuces911]

But you did anyways. You don't have to say a name to imply it... why even say that at all?? You feel better about yourself now?

[@mindmyown1]

Young children were lost in this horrific accident. Had their whole lives ahead of them. Heartbreaking 💔

[@Adontheimperfectionist]

Life is very grey

[@donnalombardo1135]

@@yallhavefun this was unnecessary though they should have just went another way

[@lisalee2885]

Thank you ALL the young children not just one celebrity kid. I'm tired of hearing the name. Other people deserve respect 🙏

[@nigerjuh8r115]

Should have stayed away from the rapist

[@toptier8349]

Good. If you love the lord, you’ll know that those people onboard had it coming and it was what “God” had planned for them.

[@hendrikriehemann5965]

90 minutes saved, 9 lives lost! THIS is the most important message and lesson to learn here. For all kinds of transportation: It is (fogging) NEVER worth it.

[@donnamcclymont2139]

It’s been 2 years and my heart is still broken! RIP to all on the helicopter 🙏🏿

[@nadinekeating3255]

Did you know anyone who was on board this helicopter?

[@WeazelNewsUSA]

And the other people....

[@BenDover-qs7vs]

Bruh

[@metalgearsolidsnake6978]

spiderman into the spiderverse< crazy accident!

[@kwangleason3222]

Same here

[@Unaminousverdict]

I was a member at Mamba Sports Academy and went to the gym that day not knowing what had happened it was a regular day for me until I walked in and what usually was hundreds of people in the gym working out, playing basketball or others watching w loud music blasting through out the facility was dead silence except for the sobbing and screams of young girls upstairs 💔 so sad 😭 a moment I’ll never forget RIP to all

[@LK-pc4sq]

I suspected that they knew Kobe was to be there?

[@Unaminousverdict]

@@LK-pc4sq yes it was young girls that played on the basketball team with Kobe’s daughter giana that were crying upstairs

[@crystalbowen9137]

Oh wow really,so you knew Koby and his daughter?

[@Unaminousverdict]

@@crystalbowen9137 no i just worked out at the gym never personally met either

[@listerdave1240]

One thing I never managed to understand is the odd way pilots react when they cannot see the ground and get spatially disoriented. Instead of doing the logical thing of looking at the instruments they will instead be distracted by looking harder out of the window for some visual cues for their orientation. The only way to overcome that faulty instinct is rigorous training with lots of practice, which is of course what instrument rated pilots do.

[@glennpowell3444]

Very good comment.As humans we naturally look to see where we are.It must be difficult to fly on instruments because by default you are no longer actually looking where you are or going.Easier said than done.I have flown a light aircraft and even in broad daylight you may think you are flying straight and level whereby you may actually be climbing or banking etc.

[@natcalverley4344]

Trust your instruments , trust your instruments ,trust your instruments ,trust your instruments ,trust your instruments , trust your instruments, trust your instruments,repeat this over and over so many times you can’t get it out of your head even when you are making love to a beautiful woman or man depending on your preference . It should be the first thought when you wake up and the last thought when you go to bed as a young instrument rated pilot . If you are not instrument rated same applies other than you should never press the weather ever!.

[@drakesavory2019]

It's because that's what you are trained to do when you only fly VFR. The training for look and trust your instruments comes when getting IFR certified.

[@Cpt.JohnnyBravo]

It is a natural instinct. The brain needs to "visually" see to confirm. It's like a reflex. That's why flying under the hood, or on a sim in IMC, very regularly is important; to help your brain and body learn what to do and what not to do. If you've ever flown in IMC it is something you never forget, especially if you have an instructor demonstrate what spatial disorientation actually feels like so you can acknowledge when it happens again. It's unreal.

[@Johnny.f.face1]

@@drakesavory2019 how high, how fast, and whicj way is up is pretty basic instrument reading.

[@windrimondo]

I was snowboarding and my eyes are only 5' 7" off the ground all while feeling the snowy earth under my board, yet the thick fog caused serious disorientation. I can't imagine what it is like thousands of feet up in the air. Tragic for everyone onboard. Thick fog is no joke.

[@cardinalRG]

It's no joke, but also no problem for an instrument-rated pilot who's maintained proficiency. Unfortunately, the accident pilot had fallen out of proficiency.

[@mitchellsmith4601]

This was Island’s most experienced pilot, and he flew into IMC in an aircraft without TAWS. Also, if this guy had been an instrument pilot, they would all probably still be alive. When you can’t see, your instruments are the only way to fly.

[@Cpt.JohnnyBravo]

He WAS Instrument rated at the time of the incident. Research before you type. I agree it was his fault, with partial blame on Island Express too. They require 2 pilots for IFR operations, yet neglected to provide Ara with a copilot knowing the weather better than he did. But yes, he was PIC and still made the choice to go. RIP everyone involved, too many souls taken too early.

[@mitchellsmith4601]

@@Cpt.JohnnyBravo My mistake, he was instrument rated AND an instructor..and still couldn't tell from his altimeter that he was descending while telling ATC he was climbing. No TAWS, no second pilot. Island was completely negligent here.

[@Cpt.JohnnyBravo]

@Julian Martov when you’ve been looking outside for the whole flight (SVFR) and then get in the clouds unexpectedly or can’t avoid them, it’s a natural reaction to look outside to orient yourself. Your brain does this like a reflex. I’m not saying that’s the appropriate thing to do while flying into IMC (intentionally or not), but it’s understandable at the very least. Yes, look at and trust your instruments. Yes, it’s his fault for taking to the sky that day. This was avoidable for sure, but with all of his training and ratings it just proves it can happen to anyone.

[@Cpt.JohnnyBravo]

@@mitchellsmith4601 yeah it’s just sad all around. If anything it just shows it can happen to anyone. The past few years have been crazy with accidents, most of them experienced aviators. Also, sadly I had the chance to have talked with this pilot several times before this day. Worked at Atlantic Aviation at KSNA. He was a good dude, a lot of good stuff going on outside of his work life. Just again shows that it can happen to anyone. Flying aircraft can be very unforgiving as I’m sure you know lol

[@sebb6342]

Shit and hi was the most experienced pilot holy fuck I don’t want to know about the others pilots levels 🤯🤯🤯🤯

[@verticle2612]

I’m a commercial helicopter pilot with instrument rating. I also spent 31 years in the army, 20 of them as a maintenance test pilot (helicopters). This flight should have not taken place under VFR conditions (visual flight rules). This helicopter has autopilot and should have been filed under IFR flight plan (Instrument Flight Rules). I’m also crash investigator trained. I’m guessing the pilot was uncomfortable with autopilot system and IFR conditions. I’ve recently learned he was a very experienced instrument pilot but he was not allowed to file IFR due to the company he worked for not having the certifications. Tragic.

[@13ritneyanne]

IFR conditions weren't allowed with this company. VFR only if I remember correctly. Plus no TAWS and he didn't want to get fined etc. Sad circumstance all around 😭

[@verticle2612]

@@13ritneyanne Terrible judgment call cost so many lives, but I hope many others can learn from this. I’ve seen so many preventable accidents over my career. I currently serve as the Aviation Safety Officer for worldwide aircraft manufacturer. We are very methodical about safety considerations during development and testing. This business can kill you in an instance.

[@13ritneyanne]

@@verticle2612 I bet! The craziest part to me is the chain of events that had to go wrong in order for this tragedy to happen. Just heartbreaking all around! I'll never forget that day.

[@mayormark8702]

They fly high profile clients but the best tools for certain conditions aren't available or did they say that after the crash?

[@eddiecastaneda8918]

just before he began his final ascent, I believed he told the tower he was going to fly IFR, because he had to break through the cloud cover, so he began to climb.

[@kikastra]

Oh wow, I love the Van Nuys ATC lady. I can actually understand everything she is saying!!!

[@kat.w.RBF444]

Exactly what I said. For once I can hear every word an ATC is saying! Sometimes I can’t understand how they can make out more than every other word at best. It’s all jumbled together. But I realize time is of the essence and they have to be quick.

[@ramonmoreno8014]

ok ksren

[@kikastra]

@@ramonmoreno8014 Ok ksren.!

[@lukycharms9970]

I always feel bad when the crash is due to pilot error. I always feel bad for the family of those pilots. I understand that their mistakes cause other people to lose their lives but I can’t imagine what it must be like to have people blaming your own son or daughter for a crash. The last memory they have of their son/daughter/uncle/aunt is them making one mistake that leads to the deaths of tens or hundreds of other people and that being the only thing people remember them for. “Oh yeah I remember that name in the news, that’s the pilot that screwed up and got everyone killed” I can’t even imagine what that must be like

[@chuckdeuces911]

You can't imagine? It seems like that's what you did for about 10 minutes while writing this trash comment. Come on now, you're doing what you said you would hate to have happen. Smh for real. Why even say it? What if his family is in here looking at this video? Here's your goofy comment and all you're doing is virtue signaling. The most tragic part of a death is all the people who feign emotions that don't belong to them for the purposes of showing the world how good of a person they are.. your comment is really astounding..

[@entropy8000]

@@chuckdeuces911 my god you are such a troll get a life thats more interesting than negging everyone on stating their opinion- youve offered nothing here

[@zobedejesus]

@@chuckdeuces911 cry abt it

[@keyboardbunny]

I'm probably the only one that only feel sad for the passengers and not the pilot. Everyone can make mistakes yes but this was his actual choice which caused the accident. He should prioritise safety which he didn't.

[@lrob4444]

Agreed. Nobody wins. Pointing fingers and blaming doesn’t help heal.

[@scottchristie]

I've done this type of thing in helicopters a lot. Going down (landing) is always an option when weather gets low but going up into the clouds is not, especially in mountainous terrain. This accident sadly was 100 percent pilot error in weather-related decision making. I have had the exact same thing happen and search-and-rescue was scrambled. When the weather got unimaginably low, I landed in a little clearing and loss of radar and comm resulted in the search-and-rescue response. I had to explain it the FAA but told them I'd do the exact same thing again because the alternate was death. FAA gave me a pass. RIP all the people on board that helicopter. We all make mistakes but helicopters do not forgive.

[@Shamrocknails89]

Do you think the passengers knew something was up?

[@isaigarcia8158]

I heard the helicopter flying near my house “by van nuys airport “ I was outside letting my dog out. I’m used to helicopters all the time , but this one was low and louder than others. R . I . P to all the souls on board.

[@Joe_duffy]

I like how everyone in L.A happened to look up and notice this helicopter and thought some mundane thought but just enough to remember it.

[@hismajesty2036]

Lol yeah i call BULLSHIT on most of it..."I was out walking my pet turtle" foh

[@nobody7817]

@@hismajesty2036 Well, my pet goldfish had to pee so I took it out for a walk that day... and the blades nearly hit us...

[@amara7163]

@@Joe_duffy u sure u heard everyone in LA say that cuz I sure didn't

[@jenna6421]

@@Joe_duffy huh ???? They noticed it was lower than usual and louder

[@MacMilly707]

Someone else's wrong decision can be your finally day. That's the part of life that is not fair.

[@noelleonard2498]

That is why as an adult and father you think for yourself

[@meg-k-waldren]

And that's the saddest thing about when you have a society where people don't care about each other like they would themselves. And as a result I thought that's just the way it is in life. But then a few years back I travelled to Japan... and amazingly, I found people there care about the next person like they care about themselves. So its possible. There has to be a psychological cultural shift here. I sincerely mean that. Regarding this video, I didn't understand 10:26 to 11:39. Was it the ATC guy signed off his shift and told them to wait for his replacement? Did I hear and read that wrong? If im right its bizarre not waiting to get off your shift until after you've helped the copter through.

[@meg-k-waldren]

@@noelleonard2498 I've been known as a cynic by friends. Well, hey, until someone shows me I can trust them, why would I give them the benefit of the doubt? I don't put anything past anyone. People are capable of great good. But they are also capable of great bad. I'll admit that I trusted more in Japan. After that, my guard went back up.

[@repunklican1181]

Life isn't fair

[@toorelevant364]

Mother Nature is a dangerous playground if you ignore all signs. She will let you know she is still in charge. Sometimes, short cuts aren’t the best way. RIP legend Kobe, we will miss you.

[@redsorgum]

This is why you always keep an aye on your instruments, they are there to help you when visibility is bad.

[@westfield90]

This was such a terrible day of what then also turned out to such a terrible year.

[@RAGEINDIGO]

Yeah in the future Children will have to read about 2020! Hopefully 2022 won't be like 2020! 🙏

[@namenl2205]

@@RAGEINDIGO 2022 is going to be boring

[@andrewnicholas9079]

I flew offshore in the gulf of Mexico for a decade on multiple types of helicopters but this identical one for many years. Fog was the worst and rarely did we ever fly in it. When we did there were two pilots using there instruments. This should of been avoided. RIP

[@chaya7103]

Even a whole 2 years later and this story still breaks my heart.

[@apotbos]

Why. Because a famous basketball player died. No one cares you pretend to care.

[@trentcruise3084]

@@apotbos 🤣😂🤣😂

[@ninjakid1869]

He was very nice and a good basketball player no one cares but SO much people maby you should go do a differnt video if you dont care just sad

[@trentcruise3084]

@@ninjakid1869 The guy couldn't tie his own shoelace, let alone play Basketball.🤣

[@ninjakid1869]

@@trentcruise3084 this guy cant even dribble down the crown lol and basketball is so easy I get call curly cause I make the 3 for our team lol

[@triviaworldopolis3362]

RIP to everyone that was on board. I’m sad for all the families that lost a loved one.

[@CooManTunes]

KOBE: FLY THAT WAY, B*TCH. I'M KOBE. PILOT: Ok ok. Right away, sir.

[@gpt-jcommentbot4759]

There was a kid lost both of their parents AND sister.

[@lisalee2885]

Thank you..so many just say oh kobe and G...They all deserve respect 🙏

[@triviaworldopolis3362]

@@lisalee2885 Absolutely. It’s sad for everyone involved.

[@triviaworldopolis3362]

@@gpt-jcommentbot4759 💔

[@RaymondHaley-lv2mo]

This accident was totally avoidable by staying on the ground, some people seem to think riches may give them special opportunities, but not special capabilities .

[@cardinalRG]

There's no evidence that anyone's riches contributed to the accident. For all we know, the pilot would have made the same mistakes with non-wealthy passengers aboard, or even while flying alone.

[@titorex]

It's been more than a year but seems like it's just yesterday. My deepest sympathy to the families, We miss you Kobe

[@CooManTunes]

KOBE: FLY THAT WAY, B*TCH. I'M KOBE. PILOT: Ok ok. Right away, sir.

[@brandondetroitfanmichaels4325]

Over 2* years not 1

[@kennymarket2428]

@@CooManTunes fake news

[@annaandrew4986]

I cannot help but cry. Feeling as though I was right their with them in their final moments. Chills and a Total out of body experience. So heartbreaking. May these amazing lives rest with the Lord and the families heal.

[@LK-pc4sq]

well, the Pilot F up I am a former USAF helicopter crew-chief. He should have immediately landed no ifs or buts about it.

[@antB0]

When this happened i was literally playing 2k21 with my friend and i had Kobe on my team i believe and i went through my feed on Instagram and couldn’t believe it man rip to a true legend Kobe black Mamba & Mambacita 💜💛

[@RemoteTrooper]

I go offroad exploring often and I live by the quote "If you have to ask"... I've only found myself in dangerous situations when I decided to take a risk that I contemplated.

[@genoelch]

Usually it takes multiple freak coincidences for tragedies to happen. Makes you think like: If you late be late, don’t drive excessively fast, otherwise you put yourself in those rare scenarios. Trust your gut and be safe.

[@MarcPagan]

RIP from a former airline pilot .....RIP, but that pilot's negligence, flying in IMC on a VFR plan, caused a tragic loss life.

[@CooManTunes]

HEY. WHEN KOBE #8 TELLS YOU TO FLY, YOU FLY. NO QUESTIONS ASKED. KOBE: FLY ME, B*TCH. PILOT: OH, I'LL FLY YOU, ALRIGHT.

[@PInk77W1]

@@CooManTunes nope. The pilots is 100x more important than Kobe I talked to a 30yr helo pilot today at work. I asked him about Kobe’s pilot. He said that is one super dumb ass

[@deathlarsen7502]

@@PInk77W1 lol no kidding? he was known to be a joke pilot?

[@PInk77W1]

@@deathlarsen7502 I don’t think he was known to be a joke pilot. I think he took a chance and kllld 9 people

[@Hollypenopepper]

@@CooManTunes 😅🤣😂

[@CShivery]

The morning of the crash, my mom had called me to tell me how foggy it was. I happened to be driving out and was in Arizona that morning. She was telling me to be careful driving if I was already in California. That's sort of telling how thick the fog was to fly in.

[@samreilly1484]

You’re right about how thick the fog was. That part you’re not exaggerating. If anything this is an understatement. But what you’ve failed to mention here is that it wasn’t even remotely foggy until after the helicopter took off and it formed in such vast quantities that it could literally be seen from space and in just the wrong place at the wrong time.

[@cornpop1363]

How does someone not constantly check the gauges when they can't see anything? especially when you know there are mountains ahead of you.

[@marcusrougeau5347]

I believe pilot was a fan and was talking to kobe. There is no way he was focused and just forgot about looking at his gauges. That's literally the most important thing when flying VFR. It still doesnt make sense to me.

[@markusgorelli5278]

I am here because of the Raisi crash and wanted to get an idea of what might have happened. We do not know if the Iranian authorities will ever release any information. The Iranian footage has such thick fog/clouds so close to the ground that if the pilot did something like this, it is possible that nobody saw what was coming until the moment before they hit.

[@NotoriousSSV]

Changed a lot from the initial story thanks for the update & RIP to all that were lost.

[@CooManTunes]

KOBE: FLY THAT WAY, B*TCH. I'M KOBE. PILOT: Ok ok. Right away, sir.

[@Hollypenopepper]

@@CooManTunes 😂

[@cagurl9113]

It seems like they never knew what hit them, so it was quick and the bodies were burned. Unbelievable they let a star athlete of this caliber go up in a helicopter that did not have taws. Also shameful was the LA sheriff's department taking pictures of Kobe's body to send to friends. DISGUSTING!!

[@gayaneg.3805]

Eerily I looked outside the window at around 10am that fateful Sunday morning and noticed how foggy the weather was. It was so shocking learning of the news. My whole body went numb…then hours later even more shocking news learning of how many people have died, including Gigi. 💔💔💔 then that same day a friend in San Francisco was riding a motorcycle wearing Kobe’s jersey in his memory was killed in a motorcycle accident. What a horrific day it was!!!!!! I will never forget it.

[@Young-cw1nk]

Wow

[@rickyrickardo6573]

I'm still hurting 😞 R I P to all the victims involved

[@946towguy2]

In the army, I routinely flew in the back of UH-60L at night in pouring rain below 100 AGL and above 140kts. We may have gotten some branches in the landing gear, but never had a problem. How hard is it to put an S76 into a 1 minute turn at 100 kts and 900 fpm climb rate up to 4000' looking at the instruments? Once at 4000', use your gps to get over the destination and make a near-vertical descent into the wind.

[@colt10mmsecurity68]

Complete FUD. 140kts rolling into possible IIMC? Based on your statement alone, I’d say that you were an unsafe pilot with poor ADM aptitude. ****UPDATE**** I reread your statement. You were not a pilot. You were a mere passenger in the back. Well that explains it. You’re NOT a helicopter pilot so you don’t know what you’re talking about. You asked “how hard could it be?” Well you’re not a pilot so you wouldn’t understand. ‘nuff said.

[@bige6560]

What you're suggesting is absolutely absurd. The pilot was pressured and ended up scud running. Flight was doomed from the start.

[@946towguy2]

@@bige6560 There is nothing absurd about doing a standard procedure taught in basic flight to get out of IFR conditions and fetch your bearings. I agree that the pilot was not qualified to make the flight, but the flight should have been a cakewalk for an IFR qualified pilot.

[@946towguy2]

@@colt10mmsecurity68 First of all, I was not a 'mere passenger in the back' but was an aircrewmember with important duties involving the safe operation and maintenance of the aircraft. You frankly have no idea of my training and qualifications. I can say that we routinely operated at night with NVG equipment at tree top level in bad weather with analog guages and a paper map and whiz-wheel in my lap.

[@colt10mmsecurity68]

@@946towguy2 Oh please, tell us just how “important” you are. Chhhhhh, LMAO. And a maintenance wrench Turner isn’t using an E6B. Get lost.

[@andreasjohannes8078]

RIP To All Passengers Who Lost Their Lives🙏❤️

[@jennifergilliard3783]

Mamba you are surely missed. We are still struggling with this tragedy. May all these souls continue to rest in paradise.

[@DeeDerry]

I remember when I found out about Kobe...I was in disbelief, and I have lost many people over the years...We are all human and life is life...Anything can happen at any moment...R.I.P to all who perished that day x

[@CooManTunes]

KOBE: FLY ME, B*TCH. I'M KOBE. PILOT: Ok ok. Sorry, sir. I'll start this thing up, right away, sir.

[@rnsteve2265]

I was the same. I was in complete shock. I was a huge Kobe fan. 😢

[@jgamer2228]

Kobe wasn’t the only one that died because of that decision.

[@linnen_elm]

Pfftt no. Just use common sense, im just a regular corporate slave, even then when weather was bad- i'd rather take train 24/7

[@slarsen32]

Stevie Ray Vaughn helicopter

[@kanedafx]

Allegedly, Kobe was tough on his pilots, so I don't think "self-induced pressure" is accurate. He probably felt like he had to complete the flight to keep his job. And it cost 9 lives. Which is not to say he has no blame or even most of the blame, but some people just act like it's sooooo easy to quit your job or get fired when for many, it is not.

[@CooManTunes]

KOBES SHOULD'VE KNOWN THAT HE WAS IN A HELICOPTER AND NOT ON A BASKETBALL COURT, AND THAT STAYING QUIET WOULD'VE BEEN HIS BEST MOVE. OH WELL!

[@pinecedar180]

How do you know he was tough on his pilots?

[@pruhnav]

@@pinecedar180 He's fired his pilots before. He fired 1 for refusing to fly in bad weather, and the other for stopping at an airport for more fuel.

[@zraj3433]

@@pruhnav If that's the case then a lot of blame should be on him too.

[@CooManTunes]

@@zraj3433 A lot of blame IS on him.

[@danielwarwick8086]

Being rich and powerful is very dangerous sometimes even to oneself.

[@timeisnow7676]

Pilot sounded a bit stressed and nervous, very early in the flight, in fact his first verbal communication with ATF sounded very shaky. Seems like shortly after takeoff he was still calm, untill after entering the IFR conditions inadvertently, Kobys family isn’t the only one that is grieving. The pilot's family as well as all of us Kobe fans are too

[@tyroneshoes4049]

not that important in retrospect

[@stuffbydre554]

Kobe*

[@jessicatharpe9337]

So u are saying the pilot knew there was a high chance of crashing & killing everyone including himself but thought that was a better alternative than to possibly lose his job by telling Kobe he was more worried about the passengers safety??

[@timeisnow7676]

@@tyroneshoes4049 You liking your own random and unimportant comment is hilarious in retrospect, wtf does that??🤣🤣🤣😭

[@samreilly1484]

How many times do I have to explain this?! None of the weather conditions that you just described were known until after the helicopter took off and were just assumed by the LAPD and air traffic control simply because the sky happened to be gray! I’m sorry to sound like a broken record, but it is what it is!

[@LITTLE1994]

RIP Kobe and everyone else involved. It's so sad what happened. I remember like it was yesterday.

[@Surfweinerhawaii]

I remember Kobe’s rape case like it was yesterday

[@vbjamaica6442]

All planned suicide mission

[@Hi_Chew]

The pilot was so confident when he was actually so wrong.

[@michaelsantoro737]

The pilot didn't do anything wrong apart from choosing to fly, most likely him crumbling under pressure from his company to make sure Kobe got to his destination.

[@eduardsondeguzman9421]

My heart is pounding in anticipation of the crash. 😭 So unreal…

[@GreatWideOpenHealth-Wellness]

Tragic, tragic and just plain stupid. It just crushes me! People trust you you pilots people trust you and look what happens. 😢

[@Fluterra]

The air traffic controller change just as the pilot was entering the most dangerous part of the flight was at least indirectly to blame. How does an ATC sign off just when the pilot asks for VFR help??

[@Chookity-Pok]

Where’s the problem in that exactly? You’d rather an overworked atc would’ve kept on the call and risk making mistakes? In no way was this atc’s fault. The change was fast and the new atc was responsive and helpful. Changes like that happen all the time in airports since they work overnight and you don’t see planes plummeting at every change. The fault was the pilot’s going into the sky with too little visibility and not even thinking of checking his altitude.

[@bryanb3352]

Who signed off just when help was requested?

[@Fluterra]

@@Chookity-Pok Did you watch a different video? The last ATC was completely confused and not at all helpful. He had no clue what was going on. Watch it again.

[@Chookity-Pok]

@@Fluterra confusing for you maybe and that shows you have no idea what you're talking about.

[@philuribe7863]

I love this channel, but whenever I see "with real audio" I just cannot watch... I really don't want to hear the final words of people about to die. :(

[@donnalombardo1135]

RIP Kobe Gianna and the other 8 passengers

[@donnalombardo1135]

I meant 7

[@jeffleary1598]

Can’t help but ask how the pilot would have not known his elevation while flying in fog. That gauge would have been looked at constantly.

[@cardinalRG]

Good question. Flying by instruments is an acquired skill rather than a natural one, and it must be maintained with regular practice. The evidence suggests that the accident pilot was out of practice. In addition, he was likely affected by spatial disorientation which, if severe enough, can impede the ability to "read and heed" the instruments altogether. This was actually a common type of aviation accident.

[@ThePaulaon1]

I find it really hard to believe that a pilot wouldn't be constantly checking his altimeter, especially when you are flying in such conditions and absolutely trying to avoid making contact with the ground. But if you are not qualified to be flying IFR then you SHOULD NOT be flying or even attempting to fly in fog and cloud.

[@cardinalRG]

The accident pilot was instrument rated.

[@Mynameiswolfy]

I remember when i was five now almost ten my dad told me that he died and i broke down in tears 😢 and then now i did his reverse windmill dunk from 2003. Rip kobe

[@onementality9781]

I always get all sorts of mixed emotions about this incident and I have to admit the best pilots are best because they can access a risk and make the decision that is best even when it's not the most popular decision. Alot of pilots are yes men and it hurts to witness such a loss.

[@havanadaurcy1321]

My father said when he was in Cessna training he was never allowed to fly in freak fog after the crash of his previous plane. Instructor was angry he lost it.

[@gloriouse4458]

WHEN IT’S YOUR TIME TO GO, IT’S YOUR TIME NO MATTER WHAT YOUR DOING, WHO YOU ARE OR WHERE YOUR GOING 🙏💜🏀💔💓

[@brh2222]

Truth GE.

[@XxxXxx-br7eq]

That gives a free pass to individuals that orchestrate mass murder. You're not going to tell me that it was just time for the people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki when they had atomic bombs dropped on them sorry. With intervention by only men people were instantly vaporized

[@jespercarlsson1808]

15:14 "Unintentional impact with the ground" is a creative way of describing crashes

[@hismajesty2036]

😂

[@natalie9884]

Will never forget the day he died. Was living less than 30 miles from the crash site at the time.

[@kbeamerz]

That is so good of you, to know that you didn't forget. Thank you so much for the contribution!

[@monstamonstas2274]

It's crazy that it's been 2 years. I remember exactly where and what I was doing when I heard the news and I just stopped and cried. I couldn't believe it. RIP to the GOAT rest in peace Mamba

[@msi8311]

Same. I was at the gym. Thanks to covid it was one of the last gym sessions.

[@donnalombardo1135]

To all the other victims as well

[@richardmeehan9204]

Great video about what happened to Kobe Bryant and others !!! Thank you 😊.

[@Powerranger-le4up]

The tv show Mayday will be airing the episode soon and it will be called Loss of a Legend.

[@raymondhaley6185]

This guy just showed up all of a sudden thinking expecting carte blanche no less instead air traffic controller had no choice but to pass the helicopter pilot from one to the other, unfortunately trying to rush along with poor vision and poor judgement lead to a malfunctioning helicopter/ pilot.

[@1945Troop]

3 years ago today, seems like yesterday. R.I.P. GiGi and Kobe Bryant

[@lynette599]

Can someone please explain why the instruments did not tell the pilot they were DESCENDING? Why would the pilot NOT keep his eye on the altitude-indicator, escpecially if he was in thick fog?

[@cardinalRG]

The instruments worked fine, but the pilot was spatially disoriented, which is a debilitating physiological condition. It can prevent a pilot from "reading and heeding" the instruments, and may even prevent assimilation of external data at all.

[@kattypan3293]

very tough weather condition to fly in. RIP Kobe, you have inspired many

[@raphaelcamilleri6047]

RIP to all of them on board!!

[@CruceEntertainment]

Airlines disappoint us little people all the time with weather delays…. And they save our lives in the process!

[@aky19832001]

The helicopter had upgraded navigation system and allowed it to fly IFR. It was allowed ro fly in heavy fog because it equipped and certified to fly IFR.

[@emo7636]

I don't call him a 'legend', personally. And every single other one of those lives on-board was equally important.

[@behroon4753]

okay who asked what you call him? No one is saying that the other lives don't matter, or aren't as important. However, Kobe was an inspirational human and a celebrity. His name is going to be plastered everywhere.

[@BakerZone760]

Of course everyone of those that died are important. But he is a legend

[@RedCommissar]

@@BakerZone760 your opinion

[@ceeceeg.4961]

No one Said No! The feeling he wanted to see his baby play ball. I know they're playing together in paradise rip in to them both and condolences to the family prayers to his father as well who passed away recently...

[@JB-vt5sz]

Such a tragedy to only save an hour. One hour. Be careful out there folks.

[@Nisie23]

Save 1hr1/2.

[@chriscrain2878]

Heartbreaking. Reading numerous post-incident articles, including those written about the pilot's qualifications and strict adherence to safety regulations, it's difficult to determine what led him to push the envelope.

[@solideogloria9320]

kobe pushed the pilot. he did it before to other pilots and fired them for not obeying his arrogant and entitled demands. he was a basketball player, not a rocket scientist.

[@Integratedsful]

Human mind and actions are never foreseen, thats whats so scary, flying hours or experince sometimes doesnt even matter, a specific situation can just lead to the human factor fault as we say, its just leads to worse thing possibly when in air, 🥴

[@fiveoboy01]

It isn't difficult to determine at all. His asshole passenger(one in particular) demanded that he get them to the destination, weather be damned.

[@brettsfav4]

@@fiveoboy01 What a sad and lonely life you must have. Who hurt you? 🙏🏽

[@D20000]

@@fiveoboy01 Nah you're right.. grabbed a bunch of people with him.

[@jakeberg6758]

Regardless of fault, what a horrific tragedy. Unreal to think, our first responders, 99% of whom are absolute heroes, decided to take pictures of slain people, that included “CHILDREN. How people aren’t going to prison for this, it’s unbelievable

[@Ka-tet84]

I still don't understand how someone could become so disoriented that he can't tell up from down. Like I understand not knowing how far up or down someone is, but how does one not know that they're not pressing up or down on their controls as they're flying?

[@bernardberben4852]

I know this is unrealistic. But when I play War Thunder simulator battles I sometimes can't tell if I'm going up or down when I'm in the clouds. Looking at the altimeter is the only way to know

[@criXstreet]

The pilot is the reason why Kobe and Gigi and the other 6 passengers is not with us.

[@GFI888]

Not a pilot, but my question is, could the tower have warned the pilot that he was losing altitude after saying he was climbing to 4000 feet? Could they have also suggested he turn back since he was supposed to be only flying visually?

[@TinkSalsa]

At about 10:42 the pilot mentions they will be losing him on radar shortly. The mountains probably mess with the radar, so the tower wouldn't have been able to trust their altitude

[@angiewilliams10]

I have the same questions. The one tower lost contact but I thought he picked them back up because it said it was a different controller than he had been talking to and he was in the clouds by then and was reiterating the permission to fly and all that. I don’t claim to understand any of it so if someone would like to kindly educate me (read-not speak to me like I’m an idiot for asking a question that anyone without knowledge of flying/piloting would ask) I would greatly appreciate it :)

[@r.j.bigbrain3370]

I live in San Diego and it was super heavy fog that morning down here too. I wa out hiking and driving back i heard the news and Immediately though it was the fog and pilot error. I always admired Kobe for the way he dedicated himself to his craft. And was heartbroke for his family and the others. I was certified at JWA as a rottowing pilot. And was always told no matter how much presser was on you to fly that if you felt it wasn't safe don't fly! you are the boss even if you are flying for the president of the USA! Not saying kOBE PUT ANY PRESSURE ON THE PILOT TO FLY. But sometimes just being the pilot of a VIP puts self imposed pressure on oneself.

[@robbflynn4325]

This accident was so avoidable, a helicopter has a huge advantage over fixed wing in that it can stay still and hover and put itself down just about anywhere, this pilot clearly did not know what he was doing. As soon as he was getting into the soup he should have turned around.

[@lloyd28khz43]

Well, except once you fly into the soup and realize you can't see, hovering is impossible even if this pilot was good at hovering at 1400 ft, which is something you have to get practice at to do. This pilot was waaaay down a very poor decision tree. One of the issues was flying too fast for deteriorating conditions.. evidently, the pilot assumed there was a " layer " he could climb above when he lost visual with the ground and in climbing to top the layer, lost spacial orientation .

[@robbflynn4325]

@@lloyd28khz43 The pilot must have realized the conditions were getting progressively worse along the way and should have turned around well before the crash. From what I have learned about this case the conditions were nowhere near VFR. Another sad case of pilots pushing it and plowing on regardless instead of opting for safety.

[@lloyd28khz43]

@@robbflynn4325 yeah, it can happen crazy fast; inadvertent flight into IMC .. he could have looked down at something or talking to the back about schedule, who knows, and then looks up and realizes he's lost visibility with the ground.. can be instantaneous. A co-pilot would likely have helped, but even then, they had get-there-itits and everything flows from that.

[@robbflynn4325]

@@lloyd28khz43 well I wasn’t there so can’t say for sure but I do know time is of the essence for the top sporting celebrities so the pressure would have been on to reach their destination.

[@majestycade6601]

i remember just returning from a tournament and driving from lax. while passing similar fogging hills down the 60 i checked my phone and saw the news. i screamed “kobe died !!” and everyone in the car was in disbelief. as a young female basketball player i had many friends at the mamba academy who had to go home. i even played there years later.

[@redraven1604]

Gotta say that I’d have gone low level offshore & turned right after the Santa Monica mountains. I don’t know the topography but I do know that if I’m climbing from offshore to my destination I know if it’s unachievable I can 180 & head back out, & if it clamps in I’ve got the beach. To do that flight without a current IR was madness. Especially with high ground en route.

[@aviation-zr2ln]

It's like he just said, "F**k it, let's do this!" When he made that steep climb and increased his speed It didn't look good. I know we're all human and make mistakes, but several people died here. That's an unacceptable mistake.

[@graciegjj]

What about an afterlife will they be judged for this and how long will it take to judge all the humans on the Earth without help?

[@ramonmoreno8014]

@@graciegjj Hopefully no one gets past St. Peter unvaccinated

[@DF-og1gz]

I certainly didn't learn in school that "several" can mean as many as nine.

[@ramonmoreno8014]

@@DF-og1gz It depends on class. Hundreds of villagers is several.

[@aviation-zr2ln]

@@DF-og1gz Well what you certainly did learn in school is how to be a smart ass!

[@Edgy01]

Flying VFR in IFR conditions is nuts. The pilot was playing with the S-VFR status, by actually flying in IMC off and on. Some days you just have to set her down. I remember that morning--very heavy fog.

[@cardinalRG]

Well said.

[@scottfranco1962]

A little detail: special VFR is only used to transition the airport area. It requires that the aircraft be exclusive in that airspace, IE, only one aircraft at one time. Following roads/freeways is not a bad plan, especially for a helicopter, but the 101 ascends over the mountains from Calabasas to Camarillo, where it descends again. This implies the heli was pushed higher into the ceiling. Note that Calabasas is outside the airport control areas, thus no need to have a special at that point. The pilot, realizing he could not remain VFR, decided to climb IFR (without legal ability to do so) to "get above layers". That would have been the point to abort the flight and return to Van Nuys or circle for better weather. Van Nuys would have been able to land them, and taking ground transport from there to Ventura would not have been so bad for time.

[@gomie_b7821]

Absolutely. I just mapped out the drive from VNY vs CMA to Mamba Sports Academy in Newbury Park. A trip from from Van Nuys airport would've added around 20 minutes to their travel time. What a needless risk to try and make it to Camarillo.

[@dpeagles]

It seems he should have declared an emergency but he seemed hesitant to do that.

[@scottfranco1962]

@@dpeagles I'll disagree here. It was not an emergency that he faced higher terrain, and made a decision to go IFR through the clouds to get above him, all of which he did and said he did. It was first of all illegal, since he was on VFR flight plan, and he could have simply turned back to lower ground. There was no emergency until he made it one. At that point they had seconds to live, and (as the audio shows), the pilot seemed to be unware that he was in trouble.

[@2killnspray9]

That was really a dumb accident

[@quahmeilrobinson7953]

Two years ago this tragedy happened

[@Nisie23]

Yeah I knew when I first heard of this, that it was pilot error, after I learned of the ridiculous conditions in which he decided to continue flying in. Huge mistake on his part. However if I had been on that flight, I would have no doubt been looking out the window, and would've said something to the pilot, like let's turn back, too cloudy, we can't see crap! This is crazy!

[@KingLouisDaSaint]

Kobe instructed the pilot to get there, despite the conditions

[@thefreedomguyuk]

Persistent rumours has it this particular pax always demanded one particular pilot. The one pilot who did never say "Conditions are not for flying".

[@thefreedomguyuk]

@@KingLouisDaSaint Exactly.

[@johnbaskett2309]

Once you "can't see crap" it's too late if flying VFR. Need to be on instruments before the transition. .

[@Nisie23]

@@johnbaskett2309 No it's not. If you catch it right in the beginning, meaning right when you START not seeing crap, it's not too late, there is time to rectify things and not get spatial disoriented.

[@victoriaregina8344]

"at least two hours" Hey,hows that saved two hourss? Real big time saved!

[@suzyq4982]

I didn’t know three kids died on this flight .. so sorry . Rest in peace innocents xx

[@sherriemccarter2188]

You do realize another person was on that flight which you failed to mention. Christina Mauser was not only the girls coach, but she was also a wife and a mother. She wasn’t famous like Kobe was, but she was just as important and worthy. Shame on you for omitting her!

[@Jay-dm4id]

If you look at the autopsy reports,she had it the worst.There was not much left of her...literally

[@SoniaBooqua]

One of the saddest cases of air accidents I’ve ever seen. So many precious lives lost on that tragic day.

[@webcucciolo]

So many questions raised. Having a SVFR clearance and being out of clouds and being able to look ahead does not guarantee that he was "transitioning in VFR conditions", like he reported multiple times. Ceiling 1100 reported by the controller would be very marginal VFR, but 2 1/2 NM visibility is IFR, without questions. I wonder if it "being in VFR conditions" means something different for helicopters, maybe "scud running"? Also, the last controller has been very nice. "I am climbing above the clouds", obviously the nice reply was "uhmmmm.. you are squawking VFR and I do not see an IFR flight plan filed for you". I guess he quickly recognized an inadvertent VFR into IMC, and avoided asking if he wanted to receive an IFR clearance, opting instead for offering flight following. What bothers me is that, had an accident not occurred, probably this would have passed completely unnoticed, which should not be the case. A commercial flight which tried to use SVFR to complete a whole flight, and that entered a layer of clouds without filing IFR and still opted to continue the flight are big violations, and I wonder how many time this happened before.

[@stellarwind1946]

VFR into IMC has claimed many lives.

[@robertpearlman6089]

Flying into heavy cloud cover, and not being aware of his altitude is what caused this accident.

[@SPLURG-ei8xw]

I mean this in the most respectable way …This video was so informative two thumbs up. No disrespect to all the lives lost.🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️

[@jamisonelms4528]

They should do this for Aaliyah

[@treyperkins5046]

At least you know it was quick. Just by seeing this vid I feel like I'm even more ok with loss of time to get somewhere. Rest easy B and all those affected. Be safe friends.

[@iashakezula]

This was painful to watch but this is educational. I feel so sad for those that lost love ones. Such a disastrous tragic mistake.That’s why I hate driving at night or in a fog , it’s more dangerous.