The Dark Side of Spiritual Community | Dogma, Salesy Sleaze and Conspiracies

[@gaiagreen2690]

😱 WHAAAT?! You mean that I am NOT an old soul, crystal child, rainbow blooded star seed Arcturian, sent down with my exclusive group of fellow enlightened beings to this poor, poor planet Earth by the Intergalactic Federation, to vibrate in 5 dimention and pave the way for the rest of these lowly human children to finally ascend? 🤯 You've just shattered my galactic royalty 👑, KellyAnn! 😫😫😫

[@kelly-annmaddox]

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[@CamillasChoice]

So fricking grateful to hear your thoughts on spiritual exceptionalism and the idea that all physical ailments have an energetic cause.. It has annoyed me for many years and I would stretch to saying it's unethical even, the way serious illness is explained by some as the person's own fault almost.. "Your frequency caused it". Yuck! Loved this video, many big hugs from Sweden.

[@kelly-annmaddox]

Indeed, it is unethical. And just mean-spirited and unscientific. All the things. Thanks for watching. ❤️

[@vaimobyflugudottir792]

I would like to add my two cents to the mental health med+spirituality: when I was in distress due to suicidal ideation,.result of ptsd and depression, I found it almost impossible to dive into spirituality. I was super anxious, detached, in a constant state of alert, exhausted... I did not even dream. Meds helped with that (and therapy) and the moment those ideas and feelings lowered, spiritual connection came back to me, just like when you get a fever and need to remain in bed but as you get better you spend more and more time out of bed until regaining your former routines. All those "med=no spirituality" discourses forget that what we experience in our practices are not mental illness' hallucinations that meds help to control/stop. Hallucinations are well gone, with spirituality, worse case scenario is one needs to readjust their practice to their new reality... But like with all other areas of one's life after starting a treatment 🙏❤️

[@devoted.misfit]

the part about mental health medications!! wow. i really needed to hear all of that. finding the right meds has been hard for me and now i’m on something that helps so much. it’s part of my spiritual practice to care for my brain and body and for me that will ALWAYS include medication in some form!! there is no one size fits all for medication OR for spirituality. so grateful to learn from you! your videos and practices have helped shape the witch i am today. love to hear you speaking so much truth ❤️‍🔥

[@holilex]

slightly off topic but I think still fits with your vid Kelly-ann. I was following a tarot reader based in the states who often does live streams here. She has about 84k subs. As you can see, I've got a pali flag as my profile pic, and i joined a live chat during a stream. I didnt mention palestine at all during this live chat and was chatting with people about the contents on the stream. Then all of a sudden my comments werent being replied to. She had permanetly stopped my comments from being seen. she says "return to sender" alot during these lives, and during this live was aggresivly doing so. Any "spiritual content creator" who doesnt apply their spirituality to actually changing the planet for the better is full of BS. If your spirituality isnt boots on the ground, working through the mundane, then in my opinion your using spirituality as a shield from reality. There are so many people who use spiritualty to hide from the world. Thanks kelly ann for being in the real world xxx

[@holilex]

oh wait, not so off topic now that im at spiritual bypassing :P

[@michellegray5905]

Is this queencups

[@holilex]

no @@michellegray5905

[@asaliearthwork]

I'm so glad you are such a prevalent voice in the woo community. You never shy away from the hard shit. ❤❤

[@karaf3609]

Thanks for saying all this 💚 For me, being on medication for my mental illness has made my relationship with spirituality much healthier for me. Im able to have perspective on and engage with things that weren't always safe for me before. Its not perfect but its so much better than it was and im really greatful ive gotten to this stage!

[@subtleworkings1164]

So glad to hear your takedown of all the scare-ot readers out there making tarot seem both frightening and disreputable! That kind of manipulative reading style can do so much damage, not to mention casting shade on the rest of us.

[@arathanor8]

This is a really important video and I'm so glad you brought all of these topics up in such a rational and comprehensive way. I've been getting especially annoyed at the anti-contraception bent in spiritual spaces. It seems really damn irresponsible. I live in the US where tons of people are without healthcare, childcare and abortion access. Unnecessary fear of contraception can literally ruin lives. Medical inventions don't work for some people, but they are a blessing to others. As products of the human imagination, why shouldn't medicine and medical devices be spiritual to some degree?

[@kelly-annmaddox]

Yessss, thank you for this comment. 🙏

[@beanbaghagwag]

I have not even finished watching this video but FUCKING YES on the topic of mental health and medication. I have shared my spiritual and mental health journey this past year on my channel. Shame on those who try to tell others what to do regarding mental health and how it does or does not relate to the spiritual journey. This language is dangerous. Thank you for speaking on this. I've actually heard a very well-known popular content creator claim that witchcraft can cure depression. Like WTF? That's so irresponsible.

[@heidiluegisland8326]

Dear Kelly-Ann, I'm so relieved to found a like minded witch about the conspirituality topic! I almost came to believe to be "the last standing witch" who doesn't think, all the scientist are from devil😄 when all the covid drama began, I also began to avoid the spiritual scene and most of its people because of all this conspiracy bullshit that spreaded like wildfire! I even got distrustful to the word rebel, so I was at first reserved, when finding your book title in the online book shop😆. But after watching some of your interesting videos, reading the book sample online, I'm now curious and gonna order your book(and I'm no beginner😄) I'm happy to stumbled upon you and are going to ponder about which of my beloved deities sent you my way... 😄(ah and I agree upon all the mentioned topics in this video too, great work done to talk all about this! Thank you!)

[@TITARNYA]

Awesome video Kelly-Ann. Coming from an upbringing in what I consider a cult (JW), I am usually triggered by a lot of the New-Age conspiracy/Ascension/"Light worker" narratives. There seems to me a lot of crossover from Abrahamic religions and an "othering" of people that I just find problematic - a lot of these attitudes can be attributed to the human right abuses and genocides/wars throughout history and today. There is definitely an issue with a far right leaning of some groups/people/attitudes in the community , that is dressed as ancestral work that I think you can be walking a tightrope and some people need to reflect on what it is they think they are saying.

[@ladyamalthea85]

Honestly the stuff around health, both physical and mental, has really damaged me. I had a uterine ablation for health reasons and ohhh "you've damaged yourself natural cycles, you have to honour the blood". Uh, maybe constant crippling pain was much more damaging for me. Not to mention the mood swings. I had a therapist who told me bipolar wasn't real, and just a family thought pattern.

[@kelly-annmaddox]

'Honour the blood' sounds like some evangelical shit. Anyway, easy to say that when you're not the one having to experience what is actually feels like to 'Honour the blood.'

[@kelly-annmaddox]

A therapist told you bipolar was just a 'family thought pattern'? Fucking hell, I need a lie down.

[@ladyamalthea85]

@@kelly-annmaddox obviously I changed therapists!!!

[@johngross5224]

I was raised in an ultra conservative Christian household. All the churches I've attended as a child, the pastor would smile and preach about how there should be no speration of church and state or that it means that the state shouldn't control the church and that this country IS a theocracy. Then tell people who to vote for to be a good Christian. They'd preach conspiracy and shut people down or claim things like demonic possession if someone disagrees.

[@Grey_Chaote]

Yes!!!! That and if you're not "Godly enough" you can't "sit with us". The church was so two faced and hypocritical. Unfortunately that seems to happen regardless of the spiritual path 😮‍💨 The need to control is outrageous

[@Witchywoodwoman]

OMGoddess, it is so good, to hear that from someone else. I have noticed people I really liked putting fear in people to sell stuff. And I experienced toxic positivity so often since I got interested in spirituality, it's nuts! 🙄

[@charlenewallmark1187]

You excite my Spirit and sense of human connection without the feeling of trying to find an answer to it all. A safe place to explore without a result, a solution. Thank you so much!!!!

[@kelly-annmaddox]

What a delightful comment. 😊❤ Thanks. I love that I have that effect on you.

[@johngross5224]

I'm a re-aspiring vegan. I quit after two years because my wife was mad that I made the decision to go vegan without her. She told me she would go vegan if I ate "regular food" with her and introduced plants into her diet slowly. Every time I tried to she would get mad and complain because veggies don't taste good. I'm a chef, I cook really well. I've realized she won't come over to my side of this until she's ready. It's my responsibility to make sure I'm living up to my own best standards. I understand that there is privilege in being able to be mostly whole food plant based and to be able to eat as much as I want. That along with regular exercise did help me with chronic conditions that came back when I started eating dairy and eggs again (no meat). But I think it's obvious that there is no one way of being that's guaranteed to heal everything in everyone. You're right that people, specially with loud voices love to go to extremes. It is hard to find a voice that's just common sense because algorithms tend to favor the extremes.

[@kelly-annmaddox]

It's useful if people who cohabit can make a big lifestyle or dietary change at the same time, but it's not necessary. Sometimes it makes a couple happier if they can go their own way and eat different stuff. You do you. 🥰 It sounds like you are in readiness and you want to feel that your decisions reflect your ethics, so go for it. 👌👍 Also, I am sure your veggies taste epic.

[@activistwitch]

I am SO GLAD you are talking about this things! I meant to make one video about the issues of the community and it has become a series for me about Decolonising and be aware of benevolent but harmful tropes, and I am so so grateful for someone with your scope and reach to talk about these things thank you Kelly Ann 🙏🏽

[@kuolevainen]

Indeed.

[@EnyG-yz5rm]

Thank you so much for not only this video, but all the lessons and perspectives you offer. I'm not quite sure where I am on my spiritual jounrey, but it is people, scenarios, and opinions that you described in this video that make me question my interest in pursuing alternative spritiruality and make me feel embarrased to own what I believe. So I really appreciate the caveats you offer here and it makes me feel sane, that it seems like I have a healthy amount of skepticism. Thanks again, take care!

[@Numina_]

I wasted a lot of my 20s not on my meds. I experienced a lot of shit as a young person. I have severe panic disorder and paranoia. I always fell into the trap of feeling impure because I take anti anxiety meds and I won’t be spiritual… Guess what!? I don’t experience psychosis and suicidal ideation anymore now that I found what works for me. I finally just said fuck it I need meds when I turned 30. I’m 33 now My practice has improved. Connection to my dieties improved etc. take your meds. Also Take your time learning and discerning for yourself❤ thanks Kelly Ann!

[@kelly-annmaddox]

This comment made me do a happy cry. Thanks for sharing your story, darling. I am very pleased for you. No one deserves to suffer worse than they need to with mental health issues just because people with a spiritual superiority complex have decided they know what's best.

[@kitdubhran2968]

Dogma and gatekeeping in any combination. 🤢 I left organized spiritual practice for a reason.

[@Rae-vh1ql]

This has come at a good time when I am considering getting an natal chart reading and want to go with someone authentic. After a a questionable situation with people outside of spiritual communities, I am especially super wary of who I can trust now. You have to go with your instinct too..... if you get the ick, dont ignore it!! even if you cant explain why you dont trust them. I have relied far too much on the latter out of guilt for 'judging' people. Thank you for being so honest transparent at all times! x

[@nannetteblackwell6214]

I was raised in a Baptist Church and was I got older I wanted to find a faith that let me be free to do what I wanted to do and I did in witchcraft but as soon as I started to connect with others in the craft I felt like I was back in a Christian church again so I stopped being around people in the craft for a long time because I couldn't handle people who were saying I was wrong for the way I did things here recently I have finally find people who don't make me feel like I'm wrong for doing the things I do Even when I do things that they don't do

[@nataliasegal8674]

On the topic of spiritual exceptionalism....what's really awful is "spiritual" people who see anyone with a history of trauma as toxic and someone to get away from and even talk negatively to and about....and I'm not saying that anyone should put up with disrespect or abuse, but sometimes it's just that "positive vibes only " garbage really pisses me off and THAT is toxic as all hell, just like them thinking that anyone who can't afford to shove jade eggs up their asshole is inferior to them and "unhealed"....Honestly? People break up beautiful and mutually supportive friendships over this and also say that anyone who disagrees with their views even respectfully is toxic. Sorry, that's just a major pet peeve of mine that is relevant to the video. Great video, btw...so glad to see a voice of reason and a nuanced view from someone in the spiritual community!

[@Letha222]

Mad respect Kelly Ann. You are a gifted speaker. I’ll be mulling over the topics in this video for the next few days. Thanks.

[@Northstartarot]

Hi Kelly-Ann I love your videos and enjoy the diversity of them on this channel. I agree with so much you have talked about. I am definately guilty of not creating content about the harm of the wars and how it is affecting so many woman and children, especially. I have to also admit that I am not overly knowledgeable about the politics around the world. If anyone on my channel or in person asked me to comment or help them understand something I would find out for sure and not cut them out. Maybe I need to get more involved! Lots to think about, thank you. I have been reading tarot since I was a teenager,64 now, and I didn't even know there were tarot readers on KZbin until a couple of years ago. I do mostly live readings on my channel, as i love giving people a little hope, direction and inspiration or even sometimes a reality check, however briefly. I try to be honest and caring and compassionate and I am told I am. I am not as eloquent of a speaker as you are, but I do relate to many of your topics during this video and much of your channel. Thanks for all you do!

[@kelly-annmaddox]

Thanks so much for checking out my channel. Yeah, it sounds like you use just the right combo of compassion and honesty in your readings. It's got to be a blend if you really want the reading to be valuable. :) I hope that 2024 can bring some clarity around how you'd like to get involved more with the awful things that are happening and the changes we need to make.

[@Northstartarot]

@@kelly-annmaddox thank you.

[@gwyndones2274]

Thank you for commenting on the medical and disability issues within the spiritual spaces. As someone who is only alive bc of medications, it’s been very painful to wonder if there’s some sort of truth to spiritual exceptionalism of the unmedicated, or if my disabilities have a spiritual root, even if I know in my head that it’s blatantly false. Not enough spiritual leaders talk about this, much less in a disability-inclusive manner. I even know that historically it was the disabled who were the spiritual leaders, but I still wondered. I completely lack confidence in myself magically and spiritually. Someday I hope to fix that, somehow.

[@WillowEtain]

In the US your water may not, actually be ok. Water contamination is a huge issue in several states. But thank you for speaking on conspiritualality. People in the US are very distrustful of our medial industry as well as our food production systems. I have also seen people's political ideas and spiritual ideas go in all kinds of different directions.

[@kelly-annmaddox]

LMAO I literally thought of Flint Michigan as soon as I said 'your water is OK.'😅😢 But still - the woman selling £150 crystal-infused bottles is most likely not living in a situation where she really needs to worry about those things. The stuff SHE is saying about water is stuff that probably cannot even scientifically happen. 🙄

[@urbanehexe]

Thank you so much, Kelly-Ann, all of these points are so important to be talked about!

[@ladysmall9853]

To be fair, there are places in the U.S. where the water has been made unsafe. A special crystal bottle won't help Flint, Michigan though. Only concrete changes in physical reality can fix that.

[@kelly-annmaddox]

Yes, I know. Just didn't consider it right at the moment, and of course the overpriced crystal bottles still aren't the answer. The people selling the overpriced crystal bottles definitely do not care about communities with unsafe water.

[@ladysmall9853]

@@kelly-annmaddox I realize in retrospect this may have come off as a kind of "gotcha" comment. That was not my intention. I admire that you tackle difficult subjects with authenticity.

[@EvelynAlice7]

Firstly I experienced awful gatekeeping at the start of my witchcraft journey. I was genuinely scared to work with certain gods/goddesses. I was told you have to do certain things, certain offerings, use the right colours etc. thankfully I’ve let that shit go now. In regards to veganism, I am vegetarian at the moment but working back towards being vegan again. I cut myself off from the vegan community in 2016. I had anorexia and was not allowed to stay vegan. My dietician said I would never recover by restricting food groups. She was right….i had to give it up to recover. Thankfully I’m fully recovered now and desperate to get back to being vegan as I find it really painful to eat dairy etc knowing the truth. However the vegan community were vile to me, I was given abuse including from a very notable vegan in the community, who most vegans will know. I will be vegan again, but I will not be associating with anyone who cannot value human life as well as animal life.

[@ultravioletpisces3666]

On Facebook I joined some vegan groups to learn and many were also very vile to me. One of my friends I made there started a group called “Vega sim the non batshit crazy kind” because the group we were in was filled with so many unhinged individuals. I’m not vegan but I do avoid dairy and the vegan community can be a valuable resource when they aren’t on the attack. If I was in them now I’d block liberally and not share any personal info. (Only post something like “looking for a vegan source of xyz, or vegan holiday recipes or recipe for faux deviled eggs,” etc…)

[@gaiagreen2690]

Stay strong and follow your own way! Do as much as you can, and it'll last longer and be more stable. I have had severe hereditary vitamin defficiencies and required regular iron infusions and D and B complex vitamin injections for decades. ALL of that slowly went away after one year of veganism. I am now taking my supplements every day, I am eating a very healthy, diverse diet with a minimal amount of planning for necessary nutrients, and this is my happy, steady and healthy nineth year of a vegan lifestyle. It feels as natural as breathing! Since I personally know only 2 other vegans but everyone I know knows that I am one, I don't preach but simply cook good vegan feasts instead. No one has EVER left my home hungry or complained about bland food here! But I did have every single doctor ominously note that I am a vegan after I mentioned it once long ago, but even they have given up on warning me about my past deficiencies, after I never had to have another infusion for years. I wrote all this to encourage you to simply follow your way at your own pace. We all face challenges and we all have to get over hurdles. In the end, it is your life, your decision and your path, and if you are informed about healthy vegan diet, you will find your way. 💚🙏

[@sarenthodinsson]

I appreciate that you state that there's room for folks who have very straightforward and blunt reading styles while also being quite clear that if everything is being out forward as a vale of tears or only I have the power to rescue you from this circumstance to run. There's a big bright line between these two things, and I'm glad you are pointing it out to folks!

[@medeastop]

Oh, have I been waiting for this one.

[@abigailbrookes7721]

I’ve found this all the time within the spiritual community. At one point every time I would try and reach out and try to share my experiences, people would poo poo it, saying it’s dangerous for some reason. There is a LOT of ego massaging going on. That’s not to put people off reaching out to the community. I have also found a lot of genuine, interesting people which have enriched my practice. It’s as you say, trying to be discerning about who you pay heed to.

[@miniatureartist1512]

Kelly-Ann! I just wanted to tell you that you are such an inspiration in so many ways. One of them which is the most valuable for me is that there are some topics I disagree with you and you make it feel ok. There is just that space you hold for everybody not just for those who agree with everything you say. That’s why I keep coming back as I don’t feel lectured by you I feel my horizonts are widen and deepen by your perspective! And I would like to thank you for that!🙏Thank you then for beeing and inspiration and I wish you a very best of luck in everything. Greetings from the Czech Republic 💝☺️🙏

[@kelly-annmaddox]

It gives me a lot of relief and happiness to know that you don't feel railroaded or judged here when you're in disagreement with me. That means a lot. Thanks for your lovely words about my work x

[@miniatureartist1512]

@@kelly-annmaddox❤

[@redwarrior2424]

So refreshing to hear your sensible and practical take on health and mental health. I believe in keeping my options open and keeping an open mind but not so open that my brain falls out. I'm past needing contraception but I think it's possibly the greatest invention in the history of the multiverse. Thank you so much for this and all your videos.💙

[@nightangel486]

Thank you for this! Especially as someone who works closely with both Loki and Hel, I often have to defend my practice to heathens who haven't gotten out of the Abrahamic paradigm of good vs evil so I'm so happy you mentioned that specifically ❤ I had someone say that worshipping Loki is wrong and evil because he tried to kill the "Divine Parent" Odin. ODIN IS NOT YOUR SKY DADDY

[@marestellarum7894]

If you have time, watch Ocean Keltoi's video on Loki. It's informative and dispells many of the negative myths.

[@trex1570]

1st I want to express my extreme gratitude for bringing This Here Fleah book to my awareness. It has given me tremendous comfort. Also I want to let you know that YOU are so brave, insightful and aware. This is just not about spreading compliments but I am truly touched by the work that you do!🙏🏾❤️🙏🏾❤️❤️🙏🏾❤️🙏🏾

[@kelly-annmaddox]

Oh I'm so glad I could put you in touch with that text. Ugh, it is gorgeous. Thanks for your lovely words about my work x

[@jodevonshirenz]

I feel quite lucky as I'm an older woman, have lived enough life to see how others can manipulate, gaslight or just all out make fun of others beliefs or practices... so I've been able to stay away from most unhealthy to me situations. But saying that I think the worst part of the spiritual community comes from are those who, being around for 5 minutes feel they know it all, spout how spiritually in tune they are but seem to delight in making fun of others... I've left a couple of online groups that turned pretty ugly. All it takes is a handful of members to start and the tone plummets. Thanks Kelly. As always listening to you and your opinions makes so much sense. Always thoughtful, well spoken, to the point and inclusive. You are an inspiration. 🙌 ❤

[@alternativewitchyunicorn]

When I was a beginner it was very confusing cuz I kept getting dms about how they was called to me to do a reading so started learning about red flags. Luckily I don’t get them as much as I use to but I’m also not as active in fb groups now too tho. I need my meds to keep me alive 🤷🏻‍♀️ like literally. I have seizures and other chronic illnesses. Man my pain comes from fibro and heds 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@kelly-annmaddox]

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[@zebulonswearingen4607]

Thank you for this information. This is very important to anyone who is new to divination.

[@MermaidDreamsAstrology]

Love your realness and relatability. My pet peeve with some in spiritual community is turning nose up at people who are new to exploring their path, and that "OMG, Becky is buying her sage and rosemary at whole foods and thinks she's a witch" kind of snide comments. Let Becky explore her journey. Becky is just fine creating her magic through whatever means she has access to at the moment. Let's support people instead of separating ourselves and thinking we're somehow better, if we do/get our stuff elsewhere. Spiritual gatekeeping feels very yucky. ❤

[@bellagrace3109]

Love your perspective on meds Kelly Ann. I have hormonal related migraines 2 days a week and I sometimes take rizamelt and Tramadol when I can’t afford accupuncture. I have had these thoroughly investigated and the only recourse is to bitch slap my way through my doctorate essays and accept my iq may sink into double digits some days .Makes me grateful for the good days and proud of my strength.

[@unepetitecourfleurie6129]

Wow ❤ i love this awesome video K-A . Everything you said was an eye opener, yep some people in the spiritual community can be or do all these things you spoke about. The meds vs. spirituality was great talk. I have anxiety disorder and epilepsy which is resistant to meds so my anti- seizure treatment is changed or increased quite often, and i have heard that 'song' that i take too many tablets which are not helping me therefore i could do without them if i take this or that and do this and that. I 've had someone tell me that epilepsy is a blessing because it alters my perceptions and that in the past epilepsy was looked upon as a spiritual illness. Well that person never has been in hospital for a severe seizure because if they had they wouldn't see it as a blessing. However my experience of hallucinations is stronger when i have more seizures. But only because the storms in my brain make it more likely for visual and sensory hallucinations to happen. But if i stopped my meds i'd end up having more convulsive fits that land me at the A&E. Ultimately i believe it's about finding a balance between health and spirituality as everything else in life. ❤

[@leticiatoraci9855]

Nowadays I take tarot readings with a grain of salt, because there are a lot of heavy handed readings in the internet.

[@lilliahpasco]

My spirituality kept me afloat in times when i felt heavily burdened by the challenges with my mental health and was unmedicated. But I can say that honestly, after finding the right medication (which took a long time, lots of trial and error!) my spiritual connection to my deities and my practice as a whole is deeper. I actually have the energy to dedicate the time that I want to my practice and self care, and that’s been magical.

[@azraelhorsefeather]

I’ve had to stop watching witchy and spiritual vidyas because the religion brought into them from people trying to escape that very thing just breaks my brain so hard

[@kelly-annmaddox]

For fucking real 😅

[@DSylvan77]

BRAVO! You had me punching the air half a dozen times in agreement.

[@wereshem-ankh9063]

This is a mic-drop video, brilliant! The Ascension language just irks me. Thank you Kelly-Ann for this straight forwards, direct, blunt and sincere video. It is brilliant. Happy New Year.

[@kelly-annmaddox]

Ascension language literally just comes off so problematic that I cannot believe people within that paradigm seem so ok with it.. I mean, I have literally seen big spiritual influencers within the ascension 'world' claiming that they are supposed to be the 'architects' of the new reality and therefore need to focus on maintaining their peace and happiness whilst other people are supposed to be 'the builders' of reality who do the work and feel the pain.. Like.. What? These people sound like slave owners. They cannot be trusted. Thanks for watching darling, and happy new year to you too!

[@teslagoth9401]

Abrahamic hangover, trading one for another with a different wrapping 😂 that crap can get bent ❤

[@ultravioletpisces3666]

Oh I hate that

[@achilleus9918]

Loved hearing you talk about conspirituality - something I've been fascinated by for a while now. I recently followed someone on insta who has started talking about how much better natural spring water is than tap water and I'm... Waiting and seeing, i suppose 😂 hoping this doesn't turn conspiratorial (and that she doesn't accidentally consume a parasite or something - she uses a proper filter, but i worry it's not enough)

[@kitdubhran2968]

That “you can/can’t worship in a certain way and I know because I am knowledgable™️” led to tumblr’s loki community starting shortcakegate. Someone offered loki shortcake. A “knowledgable” person said very condescendingly that their offering was neither thoughtful nor appropriate. The lokean tumblr community responded by blowing, tearing this person a new asshole, and being hilarious and accepting, and creating a holiday every September 4th/5th. Now loki gets lots of strawberry shortcake. But, like, the whole point is, you, frankly, don’t get to decide what the gods want/like. (General “you” there). They’re supposed to be so much bigger than us. So how can a single person decide that they know oh so much about this deity and that another person can’t worship them that way. Hell, you can’t even say with certainty what family or friends is like in all circumstances. Sure as hell can’t manage a deity. 😂

[@ultravioletpisces3666]

Sounds like the kind of trouble Loki would make lol😂

[@IAMtheoneyoulovetolove]

Yes! Thank you! ❤ so much

[@Rae-vh1ql]

someone I watch here on YT started talking about flat earth theory and I was like... what am I doing here? hahaha

[@marestellarum7894]

About Love Has Won, Caitlin Doughty (Ask a Mortician) has a video on the cult. It's focused on death, of course, but it has an interesting perspective.

[@kelly-annmaddox]

Thanks for the heads up on that, we'll have a look 👀❤️ - Dani 🦡

[@yunglynda1326]

feeling this vid tysm and also tysm for your continuous refusal to spiritually bypass jenn0cyd3, and also intersectionally oppressed folks (such as i).

[@Bjorn_Algiz]

Loving the energy sister ❤😊

[@CosmicSailorWitch]

I expeared five seizures within a few minutes (status epilepticus) after I took my medicine unregulary for a couple of days. I will never do that again, not even for being „more spiritual“.

[@kelly-annmaddox]

Omfg I am so sorry that happened to you. 😔 I'm glad you will be regular on your meds from now on x

[@toxacokami7216]

Delightful and informative. I like the way you’re direct , but kind. If Kelly was in a movie, what would be her theme song?

[@kelly-annmaddox]

I like to believe it would be Baba o' Riley by The Who ❤🎵

[@toxacokami7216]

Teenage…wasteland….(a Classic! Love it.)

[@crystalreikiwellness]

I tell the story of being able to go off my medications, but feel it is ethically necessary to stress that medication is important and that those type of choices have to be made with a doctor and based on your own personal situation and not that of someone else.

[@kelly-annmaddox]

I love that you take that responsible approach to sharing your story. x

[@umaeleni]

Spot on and so brilliantly articulated. Thanks.

[@Rae-vh1ql]

actually on that topic Kelly-ann, can you recommend anyone for a natal chart reading? thanks so much. I trust your opinion lol!

[@kelly-annmaddox]

Kait Fowlie is supposed to be excellent. I bought a chart reading from her for one of my closest friends for her birthday and she said it was amazing.

[@LaurentheHermit]

Fellow Vegan here Kelly Ann, Tim Shieff always seemed lost to me, like he was searching for something. Last time I heard he’s joined some sort of cult. I give a lot of side eye to ‘spiritual Vegans’. I’m Vegan (8 years and not dead!) for the animals and that’s it.

[@WhiteKitsuneTarot]

thank you for mentioning the whole "low vibration" and "negativity" and other shit that has to do with the infamous abraham hicks. I've got an ex-friend REALLY into that bullshit and I'd always have to listen to how my negativity (just being realistic and also talking about the things that happen in this world) lowers her vibration and if I say one negative word while we're out she's just gonna leave and go home c: we're talking about a woman in her 30's btw. she wouldn't want to hear about anything negative happening in the world because it affects her and her manifestations LOL WTF I've watched a few of those vids ok. and it's just like you said, people who agree with that will not only isolate themselves but also become a complete narcissists unable to feel any empathy or sympathy for other people (they either manifested that or chose that life before they were born after all, DUH). only people accepting Abraham were "worthy" and she was trying to push those beliefs on me as well and if I didn't agree, well, she was right anyways. I'm wrong. witchcraft? why? just listen to Abraham and manifest. me hating something/somebody? THAT MEANS MY INNER SELF REALLY LOVES THIS THING/PERSON kjsbjdbajsbd I CAN'T EVEN!!!!!! thank god we're not friends anymore. she can listen to that bullshit all she wants now lol

[@kelly-annmaddox]

@WhiteKitsuneTarot ughhh she became selfish and unbearable real fucking quick. 😒 Sorry you went through that and well done for staying strong and not listening to her. X

[@WhiteKitsuneTarot]

@@kelly-annmaddox trust me, she's so spiritual she doesn't even change the toilet roll until I do (sadly, we live in the same house). I managed to banish a part of her shitty behaviour but I'm seriously considering trying to banish her from the house :7 thank you for your kind words and thank you for all your amazing content

[@thewisecritique8079]

Brilliant video. Sometimes we need to speak about the "not good stuff" in the community and your point of was interesting to hear. Anyways, is that Dave Grohl on your candle?

[@kelly-annmaddox]

Hehe, Saint Dave will keep the beat and show the way.

[@christinec28]

I agree to a point about the deity work portion. There are some who just wanna become "gurus" and sort of be exalted themselves as The One True Voice™. But sometimes, it's people within a culture correcting people of misinformation or false practices (something being touted as coming from that culture when it doesn't etc) and that's seen as a negative by a large portion of the community...when it's not. And it should be respected when native cultural practitioners speak to us (note: not including bigoted views here). Take Mabon, for instance. Not an ancient Celtic festival at all. It was created in the 1970s by Aidan Kelly-which it's fine to create modern observances, but it's often talked about like it's Ye Olde Keltic, and it's not. And it's not dogmatic to correct that misinformation. If we wanna bring it back to deity work: Edain McCoy created an entire fake ass "Irish Potato Goddess" in her book Witta... and it's not dogmatic or "harshing someone's spiritual buzz" to call that shit out imho since it's immensely insulting to Irish culture and people.

[@Christian-iy9ox]

yaaaaaaassssssss I love your videos!!!

[@PashaJackson-b3g]

Kelly Ann I have been vegan along time and I have been made fun for my choice which will never change but I'm wondering have you ever been laughed at or had rude remarks for your decision?

[@kelly-annmaddox]

Yeah, I have experienced some rudeness, scoffing and mocking in my time. It is usually because people have anticipated reproach. They assume that I will judge them for not being vegan, so they wanna get some jabs in first and act defensively. It's silly because people become hostile so quickly when they assume that your decision to be vegan has anything to do with whether or not you think they're a good person. Also, interestingly, several people who criticised my decision later went on to become vegan themselves. 🤣 Seriously, I have had a couple of people apologise to me for giving me shit in the past, admitting that they now are vegan themselves.

[@PashaJackson-b3g]

@@kelly-annmaddox my decision come from growing up around a lot of people who raised animals for food and just seeing first hand at them being killed and slaughter and I have always been a animal lover I decided at a young age that I didn't approve and started researching on how to become a healthy vegan I eat a lot of salads and fruits and learned different ways of making tofu and now they have vegan lunch meat and vegan hotdogs and hamburgers and vegan fish and vegan anything they have came along way vegan cheese it's easy to be a healthy vegan and get the nutrients you need.i think the rudest thing is when a family member invited me over for a bday celebration for me and had a cookout with all real meat very well knowing I was vegan needles to say I've cut contact with that family member.

[@margauxlopez1017]

Off topic but your blazer is 🔥 fire 🔥

[@jenniferleftwich7]

I have a huge problem taking, medicine im ADHD, and i cant take ANYTHING thats a downer , Now being a practitioner and learning studying about herbs, has really helped me, and being able to grow what helps me is even better, i loveeeeeeeee your videos, ty for sharing

[@thechaosvibration1181]

I was gonna write a reply, sharing why i loved this, but i loves wvery minute. So ill spare you the essay and sinply say i laughed on "the low vibrarion shit". My user name kind of just makes fun of that shit. Since your mindset seems to entertain my own ill simply leave you with a bullshit bustinf question, on the high vibration shit. If they talk about vibration, theyre sure to quote science as a last dirch justification. This is when you pull a socratic question and ask... "So if you believe in science proving things, and know your vibration is X, can you also tell me when and where you scientifically measured your vibration and how. Cause you know, that is the acientific method after all?" I might be a jerk, but the look on thei faces is usually priceless after dropping that one.

[@Amber.Catalyst]

Ooooo juicy, yes girl! Love seeing a topic I can sit and sink my proverbial teeth into. I shall be enjoying this for the next hour❤

[@bronwynlandis]

I am obsessed with your opinions. Your thought process is so perspective shifting. Thank you so much 🌞

[@RootsAndWaves]

🖤❤‍🔥🙌👏🫀🔥👏🙌❤‍🔥🖤 Love ya! 🎤

[@PashaJackson-b3g]

I'm constantly told how I have to do certain things working with Santa Muerte and how she would never want me to work with mother Mary but they don't understand that I was working with Mary for years before Santa Muerte came to me and I definitely never had anything bad happen to me working with both

[@charlenewallmark1187]

This could not have come at a better time for me in my desire to learn more about my draw to Mary Magdalene. I’ve been apprehensive of anyone telling me “ oh newbie”..

[@kelly-annmaddox]

Yeah, anyone who gives off the vibe that they want to patronise you or hammer their point of view into you can be kept at arm's length. 😂 I don't mind people giving advice on their experiences but it's gotta be advice that I asked for, and it can't come with a side-helping of pressure. When You're connecting with a new deity, you really want that time to be so much about the two of you, not someone who is trying to be the director of the whole thing. 🙄

[@charlenewallmark1187]

Oh Kelly Ann …I’ve been feeling this draw to her for awhile now and thanks to your encouragement I am more excited to explore!!!

[@metteaarsheim9096]

I had a reading that followed my parents divorce and break up with my girlfriend while I was in high school. It was awful. They fear mongered me in everyway you could imagine (as mentioned in the video) and took advantage how emotionally vulnerable I was. I want to thank you for talking about it because it took me so long to get over that reading. Thank you

[@kelly-annmaddox]

That is horrendous, I'm so sorry that happened. Readers like that are callous and self-serving. I don't know why someone like that would pick up a deck of cards - nothing would make me more miserable than giving someone a scary, negative reading. To be a reader is a privilege and a responsibility, and some people are out here just abusing trust and causing damage. 😔

[@metteaarsheim9096]

@@kelly-annmaddox hearinf this from u is really healing. Thank u sm. I have been finding so much insight in ur content and i just want to thank u in all ways uve helped me, especially now. Thank u

[@ThatNerdyMystic]

The same people who get into your business about contraception are the same people who hate trans people and say "Omg hormone replacement therapy is causing your arm to fall off and your dog to die!1!!" Like back aaaaaall the way off.

[@ThatNerdyMystic]

Mm, later in the video --- Over my life, I've had to unpack from the ego-protection of "people will leave en masse when you level up..." Like talk about the diaposability of people and abandonment insecurity and self-aggrandizement behavior. It gives... incel... a bit. Like idk maybe people in my life left because we grew apart, or I was kind of an assh0l3 with more growing to do. That's possible. And it doesn't mean I'm God's Favorite Princess and just made to be alone forever, lol.

[@VonGlorious]

My only complaint is calling negative things dark! Some of us are the fertile darkness through which light is born, and grow tired of all negative and evil and questionable and harmful things being compared to us. There has to be a better way to casually talk about negative things. And you use great language to talk about those things! It has always vothered me when whichs call bad or negative things dark. It feels like a cop out considering so many witches deal with death and feel the color black is poqwrful. I also totally get being afrqid of the dark! It's just tirwsome asf that every time something negative is brought up it's "dark energy". Like, 🙄😭

[@kelly-annmaddox]

Oh, shit, I'm sorry this bothered you. 😕 I have a very nuanced relationship with the word, personally. It can mean something positive or negative. Sometimes it represents being lost in the dark without being able to see where I am going, and other times it represents the safety and Sanctuary of the womb or the earth. For me, darkness is another way of saying 'shadow', the absence of the light of illumination and understanding, in the Jungian sense. That is the way I am using it for this title. For me, the word dark also makes sense when describing what I am afraid of because what I am most afraid of is being in the dark. (Seriously, I sleep with my fairy lights on every single night. 😅) But of course I also use the word in a positive way, for example I call my matron deity a 'dark goddess' and I call my witchy path 'the darkened path', and I love the darker half of the year, and I love dark colours etc, so yeah - sometimes it means something wonderful and sometimes it means something scary. It just depends on context.

[@siobhanphoenix9789]

Whether or not you understand that people with specific health issues that you don't understand that they can't live on a vegan diet is your problem and any other vegans. It doesn't help anyone with the specific health issues for anyone to lump alllll x vegans together as being the type who didn't do everything they could to remain vegan. Honestly and truthfully. A lot of us aren't stupid or lazy or extreme. We just have health issues that you are lucky enough to not have and therefore to have had no experience with to know nothing about. Your lucky that you only have the health issues you do instead of the extra health issues on top of those as well. Yeah enough vegans have been raw foodists and juicers and all that etc. But a lot of us you may not be wanting to hear actually have done our research for being vegan and for our own health. A lot of us have suffered needlessly and endlessly while being vegan and no being vegan did not detox or cleanse our system to give our bodies enough of a chance to heal our health issues because unfortunately nothing will cure those health issues for us. The best a lot of us can do is simply only the best that we ourselves can do with our own limitations to maintain as best we can to limit pain and suffering. There is another side to the veganism discussion just like there is with everything under the sun whether vegans want to understand that or not. But I won't simply continue to remain silent when ableist vegans shit all over people with chronic health issues where veganism only makes it worse and ruins their lives literally. The sooner vegans understand this truth, that no diet on this earth is made for "everyone", the better. I would still be vegan if I hadn't got worse and no you do not have the right to make the assumption about me or any other x vegan. That we were extremists and simply didn't do it right. No. There are different kinds of people in all things just as there are different kinds of x vegans. If you want to believe that you can continue to absolutely believe you have the right to hate on all x vegans throwing the shade and your evil eye through the screen go ahead but a lot of your alienated x vegan followers and supporters wont be because we don't deserve anymore alienation, hate, shade or lack of understanding than we already do simply because there are some x vegans who have been daring enough to make videos that share their experience. Maybe more of us would but a lot of us just don't want to deal with the extra toxicity directed towards us when we tell it like it truly is. And we know as x vegans that it will be thrown at us even if we are absolutely clear about how " just want to make this clear. I am sharing how this is my experience and how this didn't work for me and that it may or may not work for you." Go ahead throw the shade because you want to believe that x vegans are the only group on earth who deserve all of the hate all while you are anti racist , open minded, un prejudiced and willing to have conversations about colonialism and cultural appropriation. You'll have your vegan crew all to willing to disregard any and al voices of x vegans all while ignoring how prejudiced and ablest that your all being. Why did I bother following you and listening to you when you were just going to shit all over me for being unable to be vegan just because you don't want to believe that this is something that exists? You didn't even admit to the possibility. And you spoke your supposedly irrefutably opinion as truth and fact because of your wide and varied knowledge and experience on this subject. Screw that Kelly Ann. Your human and I know when to call the shit that human beings love to shovel just so that they can fight for their right to hate on a group of people and complain. I don't care if you decide to make your defensive pissed off videos to rally your followers with you against the statements I made here. I believe in every word I said from not only my own experience but the very fact that if someone is truly not prejudiced and is open minded and compassionate as a thinker, then they will listen to what others have to say instead of making snap judgements to paste over all of it all while making a base judgement and label on a kind of person of group of people. Yeah I know that even people who say they are not all of these things are like that because everyone at some point wants to believe that they are the ones who are right and therefore have the absolutist right to hate on these people for being wrong. Hell you are discussing this very thing throughout this whole video and then at the end you've decided that you have the right to shoot your mouth off and just shit on people with health issues who couldn't be vegan. Because it's impossible isn't it?? Alllll of the x vegans they are just extremists anyway right? And you know all of it Kelly Ann? No you don't and you don't even realize just how very lucky you are that you do not know what its like to have specific chronic issues that make specific things like veganism impossible. Check and humble yourself queen because I and none of us have to believe or listen to anything you say. I however have to have a say when a group of people is being forgotten, misunderstood and judged when it isn't accurate because the so called evidence of a few youtube videos seen by a vegan who likely is not looking for the health issues that can't co exist with veganism, therefore the actual truth will not be heard or seen. Having chronic health issues does not make a person understand other people with other chronic health issues. As I said, you have no idea how lucky that you were that you don't understand and that you can have all of the pure vegans on here rallying to your side and to your rescue bobbing their heads to everything you say as being right because it's convenient to not have to look at people like me. May Hel enlighten your hypocritical mind and may I never have to listen to the bullshit you shoveled out about "all x vegans" or to receive that disgusting evil eye that you sent through the screen at me. You may be human but I'm mad at you for not humbling yourself you fucking high and mighty queen! For the Good Of All and So Mote it Be!

[@kelly-annmaddox]

'May Hel enlighten your hypocritical mind and may I never have to listen to the bullshit you shoveled out about "all x vegans" or to receive that disgusting evil eye that you sent through the screen at me.' I.... what? Haha. I literally state in my video that I don't think it's healthy for vegans to imagine they are better or more spiritually connected than non-vegans. Evil eye? Pickle, chill.

[@SweetSunrising]

@suobhanphoenix9789 💯 well said! No one specific diet is for everyone. I’m mostly vegan and I have a friend who’s keto / mostly carnivore. She does it for her specific needs and I do mine for mine. NOT a fan of any evangelists because its our choice and every human is different, but Living in a region or community where we have the freedom to choose our diet lifestyle and can change it any time throughout our lives that’s something to be grateful for.

[@TheLakeWitchWriter]

I wonder if islamophobia is not okay why antisemitism is still okay and glorified? o.0

[@kelly-annmaddox]

Neither of them are ok. Both of them are gross.

[@thehiddenhermit9014]

Please delete my comment

[@kuolevainen]

[@Laylalaughslast]

Ooh, really looking forward to this! 🩵🩵🩵🩵

[@Aryh___Ra]

Yes! Conspirituality! As someone who works in the arena of journalism and is also a part of the spiritual community, this bugs me! I just want to flick these people! 🤏