Using Hall Effect Magnetic Joystick To Fix Stick Drift Controller

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@swaggertmcdankledoo1572
@swaggertmcdankledoo1572 6 ай бұрын
I super appreciate being shown the whole soldering/de-soldering process! Most videos just cut through it but it's very important and helpful for hobbyists!
@zakariyasuleman9961
@zakariyasuleman9961 9 ай бұрын
corporate greed makes me so mad, a $90 cad controllers joysticks are worse than one that came out decades ago, its ridiculous and its planned obsolescence at its finest, this problem should not exist.
@VoidBoompje
@VoidBoompje 4 ай бұрын
fully agree. I bought the expensive dualsense edge with the benefit of replacing the sticks when stick drift occurs. Well… the stick modules are out of stock for months. Scammed
@zakariyasuleman9961
@zakariyasuleman9961 4 ай бұрын
@@VoidBoompje god there's nothing that pisses me off more than the dualsense edge, sony is just creaming their pants solving a problem that shouldn't even exist, u get to pay $200 for a controller with a recurring $20 fee every time you inevitably get drift. They could just use hall effect sensors and be done with it, its so anti consumer fuck sony. the fact that sony controllers have used hall effect sensors and been straight up better in the past too, it literally makes my blood boil. Every product Sony makes is an overpriced polished turd
@elviss8105
@elviss8105 8 ай бұрын
I replaced both of my OG PS5 controller sticks with the Hall Effect ones used on this video following this tutorial. So far, I’m very happy with the results. They have more resistance than the OG ones and the click is a bit louder, but so far they work great.
@OKBUDDY21
@OKBUDDY21 8 ай бұрын
Did you use a heat gun to remove the joysticks?
@powertothebauer296
@powertothebauer296 8 ай бұрын
@@OKBUDDY21 Yes what he has done was overkill, if he use the solder pump in the first place he saved a lot of money and time , and the solder result doesn't look very good, you should have a shiny glossy finish after soldering, if it is flat you have to much temperature and you have burned the solder. Other that minor detail he has done great job
@z3ro7o
@z3ro7o 3 ай бұрын
@@powertothebauer296he asked about a solder heat gun lol
@z3ro7o
@z3ro7o 3 ай бұрын
@@OKBUDDY21i trying it now without it its allmost impossible
@powertothebauer296
@powertothebauer296 3 ай бұрын
@@z3ro7o 16 w soldering iron is enough for that , everything with more Power is overkill .
@JonnyFlash80
@JonnyFlash80 10 ай бұрын
Excellent explaination. Underrated channel. You need more subs. I will recommend you to all my friends.
@TheGamer2Know
@TheGamer2Know 10 ай бұрын
Much appreciated!
@HeyKyan
@HeyKyan Жыл бұрын
Really informative video, super underrated man. Great work, subbed 👍🏼
@ikrarfahmi4970
@ikrarfahmi4970 4 ай бұрын
dude i cant express how much grateful i am to find this video. always been the type to buy new controller but this time im gonna try to fix it by myself, mine as well learn something new subscribed!
@Dima-q2q8s
@Dima-q2q8s Жыл бұрын
Nicely done, concise, informative and useful
@Cooljohn6595
@Cooljohn6595 5 ай бұрын
Never had stick drift in my ps2 or ps3 controllers they literally lasted me the lifetime of the consoles
@user-wj6eq1cx7x
@user-wj6eq1cx7x 4 ай бұрын
Yeah trying to fix stick drift makes me yearn for the days when I could just clean something and it would work lol
@gregthatcher919
@gregthatcher919 4 ай бұрын
Ps2 controllers had potentiometers but always checked the value of them when powered on as a baseline. Ps3 controllers and up have a in factory programed baseline that never changes. But I will also say ps3 pots were longer lasting than ps4 or ps5 controllera
@UnknownHero_MarthFDS
@UnknownHero_MarthFDS Жыл бұрын
Great video, full of information
@Kevin-jp4rb
@Kevin-jp4rb Жыл бұрын
How would you do this for XBoX controllers? There was no good gap for me to insert paper clip
@Joeybag0donuts
@Joeybag0donuts 10 ай бұрын
Bro put the Hall effect on the left stick when there right sticks be getting stick drift HELLA FAST😂
@pecador_tor
@pecador_tor 11 ай бұрын
amazing video, thanks for leaving the links, I'm new to soldering but I learned a lot
@Lucid_Dreams467
@Lucid_Dreams467 5 ай бұрын
thanks, i saved this video on my private playlists and i subscribed
@alexgiustino91
@alexgiustino91 Жыл бұрын
hi man, have you tested circularity with hall effect joystick?
@bkid1776
@bkid1776 Жыл бұрын
Yeah can u do this for us what is better for 0.00 in game deadzones so basically a no stick drift controller. Hall effect or the replacememt module soldering you showed us were the deadzone ended up zero on the red ps5 controller
@andrewmaldonado6438
@andrewmaldonado6438 7 күн бұрын
How many degrees for soldering gun
@OB1-The-Only-1
@OB1-The-Only-1 Жыл бұрын
Have you changed the internal spring yet to change tension on the sticks? I’m always sending my Battle Beaver controllers back to them for drift every three or four months. If I could put these new sticks in there and also change the spring to get the tension I need it would be great.
@NachoMuncher-g4g
@NachoMuncher-g4g Жыл бұрын
one thing to mention is, that when you replace the analog sticks with Hall effect ones, you will have a small under-or overshoot, meaning if you pull the stick 100% in one direction it could show about 90% in game or 110%if you overshoot, meaning if you want to move your character with Hall effect, he could either go already at maximum speed when you didn't wanted him to or go slower than you wanted.
@wailingfeller4503
@wailingfeller4503 Жыл бұрын
This issue only happens in ps5 controllers not a general thing though,i guess hall effect hasn't been perfected on it yet. However,The one in my ps4 controller is just perfect, my aiming in games got improved drastically.😅
@vicknasty
@vicknasty 28 күн бұрын
theres calibration software to fix this
@auginater4200
@auginater4200 12 күн бұрын
Dang that's crazy.. sounds like it would be annoying and could be problematic
@FerGuGoNEX
@FerGuGoNEX Жыл бұрын
Amazing video. You are and engineer! Great information.
@busmanl30
@busmanl30 Жыл бұрын
Do these work on BDM-010 BDM-020 and BDM-030 I heard these all took different potentiometer sticks since the voltages were slightly different.
@diypapa4820
@diypapa4820 Жыл бұрын
Hi there! I was looking for the answer to that very same question. You ever got an answer?
@allaroundgaming100
@allaroundgaming100 Жыл бұрын
how is the circularity with these sticks?
@AsmArgentina
@AsmArgentina 10 ай бұрын
Jitter affects cod?
@spartanvi
@spartanvi Жыл бұрын
Are the Hall Effect potentiometers swappable with the carbon/wiper ones? Or do we have to swap the ENTIRE joy stick?
@TheGamer2Know
@TheGamer2Know Жыл бұрын
Excellent question! You just gave me idea for a new video :)) to be honest I don’t know. But I will experiment and let you know what I come up with
@spartanvi
@spartanvi Жыл бұрын
@@TheGamer2Know Thanks, I just bought 10 of these since I've been replacing potentiometers like a mad man these last few days. The reason I ask is because I'm primarily fixing Xbox Elite Series 2 controllers, and those have a threaded/magnetic joystick stem so these Hall Effect ones will not work with the Xbox Elite accessories. If I can get away with only swapping the potentiometers to these Hall Effect ones and keep the joystick housing itself original, then it's the best of both worlds. That's assuming the magnetized joysticks on the Elite do not interfere with the Hall Effect sensors.
@TheGamer2Know
@TheGamer2Know Жыл бұрын
@spartanvi They will definitely interfere. As in my video towards the end when I took the magnet and brough it close up to the hall effect joystick, you could tell from the gamepad tester the stick was moving in response to the magnet.
@TheGamer2Know
@TheGamer2Know Жыл бұрын
i've done experiment on your questions, here is what I found out: kzbin.infoMoyBWy0In2Q
@tjeerdterpstra64
@tjeerdterpstra64 11 ай бұрын
​@@spartanvi this idea off yours , is it solved the problem? I want to try this my self.
@calciferblack2409
@calciferblack2409 8 ай бұрын
9:35 You're telling me that his character inching forward right here is not caused by stick drift?
@DerlinSantana
@DerlinSantana 10 ай бұрын
How do you calibrate this thing?
@iJumperli
@iJumperli Күн бұрын
Hello did you managed to callibrate it??
@DerlinSantana
@DerlinSantana 4 сағат бұрын
Nop ​@@iJumperli
@OKBUDDY21
@OKBUDDY21 8 ай бұрын
New to soldering and I am trying to learn more about it, what temperatures do you usually use when it comes to boards like this for the controller or just in general?
@guillermosarabia1205
@guillermosarabia1205 6 ай бұрын
thanks for the vid, my dualsense controllers does not have the drift issue, but they feel like... dusty, or if something don't let the stick move the ''right way'', hope you can give advice. thanks.
@Verdaderevelada34
@Verdaderevelada34 7 ай бұрын
I have a question it might be a dumb question but here it goes witch one is faster and has less delay hall effect stiks or the regular one?
@dexterstech2465
@dexterstech2465 3 ай бұрын
How many years it lasts hall effect analog
@zachypoo420
@zachypoo420 3 ай бұрын
About 300. It's frictionless. The plastic will wear out before the magnets fail. I'm trying to learn soldering so I can do mine. It's the desoldering that I'm really struggling with.
@Dspic09
@Dspic09 3 ай бұрын
@@zachypoo420 I just did mine. Not much experience soldering but I already had a replacement that I bought from eBay for $30. I highly recommend removing as much material as possible with the wick before adding the low melt and hitting it with the hot air. Just makes it a bit cleaner. Also there's now software to calibrate the sticks so no need to do it manually like he did at 8:40.
@petrpetr9334
@petrpetr9334 9 ай бұрын
hello, is it possible to permanently calibrate via PC or Xbox?
@kingfrass6400
@kingfrass6400 6 ай бұрын
Bro jus rip the battery out lmao
@tahaslime2089
@tahaslime2089 2 ай бұрын
how safe it is to use the heat gun with these pcbs?
@TheGamer2Know
@TheGamer2Know 2 ай бұрын
i've done it multiple times and it works
@tahaslime2089
@tahaslime2089 2 ай бұрын
@@TheGamer2Know great to hear. Any suggestions before I embark in doing it? Temperature limit, etc. I tried with the solder iron but I couldn't manage to remove the joystick yet. I'm going really slow so I cannot damage anything. Ive seen some people using aluminum and electric tape to cover other components on the side while using the heat gun.
@TheGamer2Know
@TheGamer2Know 2 ай бұрын
@@tahaslime2089 best to use the removal alloy SMD to remove joystick, temperate i usually doing 700 on solder iron and heat gun. Yea you can put foil to protect board. I made this video, also using similar method. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fYu1nYKKjdGGm5I
@razerblank9789
@razerblank9789 4 ай бұрын
If i put one on fake controllers will the deadzones improve?
@auginater4200
@auginater4200 12 күн бұрын
How did you calibrate the sensor at the end, good sir? You mention that it's jittery and that it may need calibrated, but you then say the Playstation shouldn't register that.. then the next frame it was just showing dead center.
@johannfindeis4421
@johannfindeis4421 Жыл бұрын
nice mod, is there a way to mod the triggers and R1 L1?
@TheGamer2Know
@TheGamer2Know Жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z3nbgGubobCAhqcsi=WjdbNoeHt2K2nWEK
@IllGalaxy
@IllGalaxy 10 ай бұрын
If this is done for a pc gamepad will the pc or pc games filter out the jitters?
@TheGamer2Know
@TheGamer2Know 10 ай бұрын
they should!
@IllGalaxy
@IllGalaxy 10 ай бұрын
thanks!@@TheGamer2Know
@jlopez2351
@jlopez2351 Жыл бұрын
The best 👌 thank you
@JRLastActionHero
@JRLastActionHero Жыл бұрын
Like to see you do this on a dualsense Edge
@hove131
@hove131 5 ай бұрын
Sometimes when I replace sticks the plastic melts to the board from removing the old sticks and sometimes it doesn't. Any idea why this is? It's usually flat enough I just leave it as sticks are slightly elevated installed. Thanks in advance.
@moustafamando388
@moustafamando388 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video Can you tell me how you can centre the analog halleffect
@TheGamer2Know
@TheGamer2Know Жыл бұрын
I showed in the video. You have to use a pin in the hole and turn it
@moustafamando388
@moustafamando388 Жыл бұрын
@@TheGamer2Know oh, i miss it thanks ❤️❤️❤️
@Tracker5111
@Tracker5111 11 ай бұрын
@@TheGamer2Know this was not clear in the video.. I rewatched to find it... its barely visible that you're doing it and I only knew because of watching another video. Configuring the sticks after installation is just as important.
@khalkedon34
@khalkedon34 Жыл бұрын
Hi Dear, I loved your videos especially animations, how could you creat animations?
@heimdalmidgard
@heimdalmidgard 8 ай бұрын
Can the hall sensors be used on Ds4 controllers? I only find them for ps5
@Halo3VT
@Halo3VT Жыл бұрын
Such a 10/10 informative video. Thanks a lot man, this really helped a lot. Great. channel
@henryb610
@henryb610 Жыл бұрын
What is the difference with the blue module type? I see both types for ps5 but wich is better?
@chrismpas3306
@chrismpas3306 Жыл бұрын
Yellow/yellow for ps5 are the v2 I think and for ps4 is yellow/black
@Alexander-sc3hl
@Alexander-sc3hl 6 ай бұрын
Yes but the cost of controller these days are insane they have no excuse not to use hall effect on controllers now
@Dmwntkp99
@Dmwntkp99 10 ай бұрын
They wear even faster within 90 days for me barely used, I stopped buying until I find something that last longer.
@bumpy86
@bumpy86 Жыл бұрын
mine are sticky AF... I bought 2, installed them, left stick did not worked properly cuz after pressing L3, the stick never centered back and was whimping all over the place so I put it forward and it remained there like if the spring was not there to center it back to the middle... right stick seemed fine... I purchased 2 more... replaced the left stick AGAIN and now it works fine but day after that the right stick had the exact same issue... so I replaced that with the new one and now it has the same damn thing... I cant press L3 to lock on, every time I move the stick I hear crunching in there (yes it is clean inside) so it feels like its either not lubed up, too much lube so its sticky inside or I dunno... but I dont want to spend another like 15 bucks on sticks to try more and more and more until I finally find all 4 good ones to fix both of my gamepads...
@thomasmorris9283
@thomasmorris9283 3 ай бұрын
you are not gettting the stick flat with the board
@akagicac
@akagicac Жыл бұрын
Hola amigo, compre unos joystick y al instalar el mando deja de funcionar, se necesita algun conponente extra para q funcione?
@sk8nkid33
@sk8nkid33 11 ай бұрын
Probably didn't plug one of the wires back in all the way/correctly
@giovannigiorgio2262
@giovannigiorgio2262 Жыл бұрын
can u test on xbox one ?
@alt0v14
@alt0v14 6 ай бұрын
can you just replace potentiometers with hall sensosrs only and leave joystick body intact?
@byte.raccoon
@byte.raccoon 5 ай бұрын
Why don’t you caver a middle of the board with something to prevent it from heating? The plastic at the middle was melted
@raf25985
@raf25985 9 ай бұрын
makes me think this was done bydesign so we need to buy new controller every year , i still use my ps3 controller rom 2 decades ago
@stephensniff
@stephensniff 7 ай бұрын
On PS4 or PS5? If you are using it on PS5 then you are missing out on some cool trigger effects.
@Duffyy1223
@Duffyy1223 5 ай бұрын
​@@stephensniffngl small price to pay if you want to save money
@meiermarc3743
@meiermarc3743 9 ай бұрын
I nevr had a stick problem...ps1 till ps3 NONE. I wonder what u do with xour pads.
@alexr2401
@alexr2401 7 ай бұрын
Duh, ps1 to ps3 used better parts. Ps4/5 use cheap sticks. Its common knowledge. 🤷‍♂️
@daroniousmaximus
@daroniousmaximus 11 ай бұрын
This is what Im looking for. Tired of replacing controllers.
@LEV1ATAN
@LEV1ATAN Жыл бұрын
Someone know if a can use this joystick in a PowerA controller for the Xbox X
@autobr_
@autobr_ Жыл бұрын
it's advertised to work with Xbox One.. if you're willing to take that risk to find out then 👍
@LEV1ATAN
@LEV1ATAN Жыл бұрын
@@autobr_ well the controller is for xbox....
@fatihgold4029
@fatihgold4029 Жыл бұрын
What site or program do you use for testing and callibrating the sticks?
@TheGamer2Know
@TheGamer2Know Жыл бұрын
gamepad-tester.com/
@nathendowell8126
@nathendowell8126 Жыл бұрын
How do you fix stick drift if it still happens with a brand new controller?
@TheGamer2Know
@TheGamer2Know Жыл бұрын
return it for another
@nathanwolff2505
@nathanwolff2505 6 ай бұрын
Why didn’t you just use the pump initially? No need for the extra steps with melting the alloy and the heat gun.
@joshalexander6697
@joshalexander6697 5 ай бұрын
Cost is higher but when you pay $70 a controller you would think they could at least use better parts… a ps5 or and controller uses the cheapest parts a joystick is like a $1 their circuit boards are cheap I would say for $10 they make a controller..
@rashadabdullah9769
@rashadabdullah9769 11 ай бұрын
They should work on ps4 controller? The pots on ps5 n 4 r pretty much same.
@TheGamer2Know
@TheGamer2Know 11 ай бұрын
I've don'e it before they work
@rashadabdullah9769
@rashadabdullah9769 11 ай бұрын
@@TheGamer2Know my ps4 are showing signs of drift lately. But i dont got a computer to calibrate, so i might just put new pots instead.
@McGroober97
@McGroober97 5 ай бұрын
I want to install these on my ps4 controllers
@sebastienmolano
@sebastienmolano 5 күн бұрын
They nake electric potentiometers in the newer controllers for a reason. To get you to buy more controllers because eventually they will fail.
@AmadísdeGaulaa
@AmadísdeGaulaa Жыл бұрын
yeah i would try it but i dont have any equipment lol
@CGS11900
@CGS11900 7 ай бұрын
Sadly Hall effect sensors do not solve stick drift it solves potentiometer wear, still a good thing just doesn't solve drift for liner curve players. Stick drift is mainly from a stick centring issue as sticks are centred by a spring pushing two plastic parts together and coil spring love to loose their spring tension over time... Don't believe me buy a hall effect controller go into the software and remove the DAEDZONE in the software. Gamersir Nexus for the G7 controller for example even has this as a warning in their software stating Lowering "initial value under 10% will make the stick very sensitive, which is prone to drifting, please use caution". I own 6 controllers 4 with hall effect sensors and they all have drift out of the box after removing the deadzone also they seem to perform poorly in circularity test unless you have software to help fill in the gaps. Sadly social media has hyped them up and put down potentiometer being the main issue defiantly can be if they are worn however you would see voltage drops where it makes less contact resulting in loss of movement like my old Xbox controller. Saying that I really like the Gamesir G7 light weight, 1000hz, rear buttons and it has drift like every other controller.
@TOM_X_456
@TOM_X_456 6 ай бұрын
saldature da fabbro..
@stoneyhigh05
@stoneyhigh05 9 ай бұрын
I still see stick drift at the very end of the video when you let go of the controller. Bro...
@weedless9531
@weedless9531 9 ай бұрын
thats the right stick
@stoneyhigh05
@stoneyhigh05 9 ай бұрын
@@weedless9531Oh , I see
@tomwoggle9411
@tomwoggle9411 7 ай бұрын
The issue isn't that potentiometers are trash and hall effect are all great and last forever. This is a myth and simply isn't the full truth to the matter! There are of course good and crappy hall effect modules, just like there are crappy potentiometers and good potentiometers as well! The analog sticks on my 8 year old Ps4 controller still work great. (The old battery inside not so much.) The sticks on my brand new Dualsense PS5 controller though are already creating massive stick drift after just 35 days! They both share the exact same technology, even made by the same manufacturer as the old PS4 controller, supposedly even upgraded to the V2 on the new Dualsense controller. Still one of the two is absolutely great, the other one is complete and utter crap! The detailed technical reviews and thorough tests I have seen on Hall effect modules replacing potentiometers so far were all not exactly very promising at all! There were issues with jitter with unacceptable and uneven dead zones. Yes, the hall Effect modules usually do work, but they very often seem to perform rather crappy whenever compared to good quality potentiometer versions! When using Hall effect sensors for example, you will normally want them to be accompanied with suitable electronics filtering and averaging the signals to eliminate jitter. The claim that the Playstation or the PC itself will filter the jitter out is generally NOT true and the test used in the video shows you otherwise! It absolutely will affect some games more than others so it may not necessarily be a big issue for certain games, but the jittery input displayed in the text will be jittery input to the game and will NOT be filtered by the playstation! This jitter does typically NOT happen on potentiometers (unless they bare faulty) and that is exactly why the Playstation (and Windows) do NOT filter or compensate the input values to eliminate this type of jitter. This would need to be done INTERNALLY/ INSIDE the controller with suitable electronics which are obviously NOT part of the Hall effect module that was used here in this video! What the test in the video does show you instead, is simply that the installed Hall effect sensor is absolutely NOT performing nearly as good as a original potentiometer one did when it was in good working order! So if you need to replace a faulty potentiometer, then you may instead want to replace it with a GOOD high quality potentiometer, much rather than replacing it with the comparably poorly performing Hall effect sensor shown and installed here in this video! - Or wait/ look for a hall effect module to be sold on the market that performs considerably better than the poorly performing ones used here in this video!
@TheGamer2Know
@TheGamer2Know 7 ай бұрын
Legend!
@gergesnasr2612
@gergesnasr2612 7 ай бұрын
I appreciate the effort in this video. But this comment just has absolutely the best of accurate info I was able to collect over about 3 months! Hat's off. Great work, man!
@jonathansandiford4137
@jonathansandiford4137 Жыл бұрын
You used WAYYYYYYY too much low melt aloy. The blob on one pin could have been used for both joysticks!
@humanizedkun6488
@humanizedkun6488 7 ай бұрын
They make controller more easily to get drift to get money MORE BROKEN CONTROLLER = MORE CONTROLLER TO BUY = MORE MONEY But in the end everyone gonna buy controller with Hall Effect one which is better if they smart enough
@caleasthetic
@caleasthetic Жыл бұрын
you mean over more then 30 years ago, not just more then 20 years.
@gamer_sound_ps5
@gamer_sound_ps5 Жыл бұрын
Ничего не помогает! И менял пластины и перепаивал стикер, дрифт некуда не ушел! Видать Джой свое отработал... Даже где то читал, что если активно играть, рано или поздно дрифт появится! Так что все эти манипуляции бесполезны! Самое простое купить новый Джой.
@alexandrerebello2044
@alexandrerebello2044 Жыл бұрын
😮😮
@matthewstarks-qw7iy
@matthewstarks-qw7iy Жыл бұрын
you're not a true gamer off you're not watching this video
@MrAussenseiterx3
@MrAussenseiterx3 10 ай бұрын
And you’re not a true diy‘ler if you watch this video before you messed up your main board 😂
@JeffOnhill
@JeffOnhill 10 ай бұрын
I'm watching while playing hawked 😂
@chaos0987654321
@chaos0987654321 9 ай бұрын
I would say "you don't actually own your property if youre not watching videos like these"
@porty8304
@porty8304 6 ай бұрын
@@MrAussenseiterx3sad but true :(
@aquaticspasticp5024
@aquaticspasticp5024 3 ай бұрын
You can't even spell!!!
@guardion2394
@guardion2394 11 ай бұрын
Switched to Xbox controller ps messed
@ryanfuller5
@ryanfuller5 13 күн бұрын
This is the WORST video of this sort I've ever seen. The way this dude just ripped the battery and ribbon cables out, the hack desoldering/soldering jobs... to the bullshit statement that the PS5 filters out drift and jitter on the newly installed stick... 😂😂😂😂 DO NOT DO THIS.
@bl4ckmagiclust792
@bl4ckmagiclust792 4 ай бұрын
So basically I’m fucked because I have no clue how to do any of this and I have to keep buying a new controller every month or two because of stick drift Thanks Sony. Arseholes
@Dspic09
@Dspic09 3 ай бұрын
Honestly its not hard to learn. I just did mine with little soldering experience. What I did when my original controller started drifting was buy one off of eBay (around $30) that already had stick drift to practice on.
@claessjoblom9910
@claessjoblom9910 10 ай бұрын
Isn't true problem it's the pin.
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